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GOP Surging Into Offense On Iraq

Facts on the ground:

For the first time since losing control of Congress in 2006, Republicans are back on offense in the political struggle over the Iraq war, as Democratic plans to force a change in strategy by President Bush through peeling away his GOP support continue to yield few results.

Republicans are increasingly buoyed by perceived divisions among Democrats, seeming signs of progress on the ground in Iraq and the fact that the first brigade of U.S. troops started coming home Tuesday.

...

[A]fter a summer of bitter partisan battles over the war, Democrats are going into an Iraq funding battle this week with little hope of dividing Bush and Republicans on Capitol Hill, and they privately seem resigned that the White House will continue to have its way on funding the long-running conflict.

The House is set to debate an Iraq funding bill that liberals believe isn’t strong enough, Republicans refuse to embrace and the president plans to veto.

The Senate, meanwhile, is expected to take up the bill Thursday. But with Republicans insisting on a 60-vote, filibuster-proof threshold and Democrats saying they won’t send a bill to Bush without a troop withdrawal timetable, the measure is doomed.

There is a pervasive sense among Republicans, and even some Democrats, that the war debate has been reframed by signs of success and that both sides need to adapt to facts on the ground.

“I think momentum has been lost for the argument that the surge has failed,” said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Bush’s strongest supporters in Congress. “The momentum is to allow the surge to continue. I don’t see anyone defecting from our side. If there’s any change in votes, it will be on their side.”

Sen. Ben Nelson (D-Neb.), a moderate Democrat who supports a change in mission but not a mandatory troop withdrawal, said, “People understand that there has been a military success in Iraq. ... There’s an expectation that more of that will happen.”

... it has been clear over the past week that there are divisions among Democrats over the $50 billion “bridge” fund. Last week, House leaders pulled their Iraq measure because Democrats needed more time to explain the measure to their caucus. In the Senate this week, Democrats will vote on a “goal” of troop withdrawal, but if it does not gain 60 votes, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-Nev.) says the president won’t get his money.

That makes some Democrats uncomfortable, since they want to fund the troops even while Congress disagrees over how to end the war.

The whole article is worth reading. Not a lot of bombshells, but it's nice to see it noted in the media that with monthly violence falling, the Democrats are hellbent to stress only total cumulative casualties, because obviously that number can't go down, now can it?

Also worth reading just for the sweet glow of confirmation is Rich Lowry's column noting that the media has lost interest in Iraq almost entirely since the war turned in our direction. Now the media only wants to talk about Blackwater.

Odd. When the macro news is bad, they focus on the macro. When the macro news is good, they focus on the worst micro news at hand. Sense a pattern?

Oh: I think this Tony Blankley piece on the underreported victories in Iraq might even be better.

Posted by: Ace at 01:36 AM



Comments

1 I do sense a pattern.
Q: Is the perception one has of the media a Rorschach test or ones politics?

Posted by: Nom de Blog at November 14, 2007 02:10 AM (6Ie+q)

2

Oh sure ace, 2 months might SEEM like a trend, but we're here to tell you that it is not.

Your media overlords in the MSM

 

Posted by: Darth Randall at November 14, 2007 02:14 AM (oLULt)

3 Speaking of Iraq - Bryan Suits a host on KVI 570 here on Seattle was let go by the station this week.  Given that he was the only talk radio host in this area to have served in Iraq we are losing a unique perspective.  What's worse is there was no warning and they fired him on the Veteran's Day weekend.  Of course KVI has a history of doing this to their hosts, having done the same thing to Michael Medved a few years ago. 

I know that there are two or three others here from the Seattle area and I hope they will join me in never listening to KVI again. 

I also know that Kirby Wilbur another host on that station reads AoS occassionally and I hope he will see this and carry this message back to station management:

<h3>FU!!!!</h3>

Posted by: chad at November 14, 2007 03:16 AM (WNcvq)

4 > There is a pervasive sense among Republicans, and even some Democrats, that the war debate has been reframed by signs of success and that both sides need to adapt to facts on the ground.

The advantage of being a super-power (and having a leader who is willing to use power) is that if you don't like the facts on the ground you CHANGE the facts on the ground.

Bwa ha ha ha.

Posted by: Arthur at November 14, 2007 03:24 AM (cps4f)

5 OK back on topic, Engram over at Back Talk has been tracking casualties for awhile and when you look at it graphically the results of the surge are even more impressive than just looking at the numbers.  I still am not sure that this is a sustainable trend, too much progress to quickly, but man it is sure encouraging. 

Posted by: chad at November 14, 2007 03:41 AM (WNcvq)

6 When things went bad in Iraq, the Dems gleefully rubbed our faces in it for years. Somehow I don't the right can do that...maybe because we have to be cautious, or because its not our style?

Posted by: Aaron at November 14, 2007 03:52 AM (TJElK)

7 Aaron,

Perhaps because - by default - we must play the part of adults in this horseshit political game.

Posted by: Steamboat McGoo at November 14, 2007 07:14 AM (41Dd+)

8 Steamboat McGoo nails it.

Still will be fun to dig up all the MSM/ Dem bad predictions and anti-military trashtalk from the past few years and gloat just a teensy widdle bit.

Posted by: lauraw at November 14, 2007 08:52 AM (DbybK)

9 Lauraw, no need to gloat. Just paste together the clips of the Democrats calling for defeat, and run them ... over and over and over.

By the way, where is Cindy Sheehan these days? It's like she's fallen off the face of the earth. Are her 15 minutes up? Or could the MSM be smelling the flop sweat?

Posted by: Brown Line at November 14, 2007 09:46 AM (x4rbl)

10 Good question Brown Line.  What happened to her campaign to unseat Pelosi?

Posted by: chad at November 14, 2007 10:19 AM (WNcvq)

11

Yet another "grim milestone" for the Democrats in the War to Define Victims.

The Income Mobility study released yesterday is being spun in the Seattle PI totally as a black-white disparity thing, although the disparity seems to actually be that black incomes overall have not grown as much as white in the past 10 years.  Interestingly, the study is also reported to indicate that most blacks now see economic underperformance as their responsibility, rather than due to racial discrimination, a sea-change from previous findings.  These facts, plus the fact that all incomes have grown substantially, and the conclusion that racial preferences have not worked, are all buried way down in the article.

Posted by: sherlock at November 14, 2007 10:20 AM (ojW85)

12

Oh, you expect a linky thingy?

http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/business/1310ap_black_progress.html

The AP author's name is... Hope Yen.  You really cannot make this shit up can you?

Posted by: sherlock at November 14, 2007 10:23 AM (ojW85)

13 You stupidi digi-warriors. This is all a lie of a travesty of a mockery of a sham of a mockery of a travesty of two mockeries of a sham. Don't you people realize that  we are losing in Iraq.  And even though we are winning in Iraq (I never said we were losing) we should never have been there in  the first place.  But it's a good thing we went, because Bill Clinton said it was the right thing to do.  I supported him when Clinton when he said this (but did nothing about it), but Bush is a liar and his invasion into Iraq, while something I support, is illegal and immoral.

Anyway, I've seen no proof of this of the surge working, so therefore it isn't true.  Nyah.

Posted by: deaf dumb and blind kid at November 14, 2007 10:35 AM (wWwJR)

14 Haha, was trolling around and saw you meme monkey's seem to have taken a shine to my digi-warriors (how do I attach that clever-ass-never-gets-old TM to it?).  Is this blog nothing but a race to the bottom of the catch phrase barrel?  I'm making a note here GREAT SUCCESS.  Seriously, why do you bother writing such mundane pieces of "satire" for your fellow bleaters?  There aren't any trolls here as far as I can see, so you are basically submitting a  trite piece of waaay sub average mocking to a huge shit pile of marginally better mocking. 

Trundle on with this weirdo "things are going great" bullshit.  It's incredible how the MSM is behind every corner trying to marginalize your great march to world domination through old tired ass videos-it's like youtube but youtube if I had thought of it 4 years ago.

It's called a cease fire morons, and if you don't think the newly armed Sunni's aren't biding their time and behaving, clearing out the nutso wing of their insurgency (sorta like what the Rockefeller Republicans are trying to do with you) with bricks of US dollars (got any euros in that duffel Joe?) you are as wrong as you have been since the inception of this clusterfuck.  Al Sadr is doing the same thing too. 


Posted by: tommy at November 14, 2007 11:19 AM (G+fLm)

15

Trundle on with this weirdo "things are going great" bullshit

What is funny is that nobody actually said this. But, since you can't really say anything sensible on the topic you have to attack a strawman.

I'm of course shocked by this.

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 11:34 AM (BNlV7)

16 GOP Surging into the offense?  Is that like a lightning French assault?

The GOP has done nothing to convince they're convinced on their own that this war needs to be successfully prosecuted.  The only way they're going to stay 'strong' on the war is if we keep riding them like a pony-boy sub...

OK, it may be possible to read too much John Ringo...

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 14, 2007 11:38 AM (cs+x0)

17 Well, no one can ever accuse Tommy-boy here of having a shred of humility.

It's funny; the better things get, the more supremely confident sub-rationals like him get that it's all going to end in tears. Cognitive dissonance is an ugly thing to watch.

Posted by: Mastiff at November 14, 2007 11:45 AM (crPsf)

18 Also worth reading just for the sweet glow of confirmation is Rich Lowry's column noting that the media has lost interest in Iraq almost entirely since the war turned in our direction.

That sounds like "going great" to me.  Or are you saying that this post is just to let you guys know things haven't changed that much, trends are murky, but the MSM is still trying to kill America?  The war has morphed since the Iraqi cease fire inspired by the fact that they know Bush will pull the troops out sometime in late summer 08 just in time to help neutralize the effect it might have on the Huckabee nomination.  The neighborhoods are balkanized and guarded heavily, why not wait a bit?  In a short time they can resume the settling of debts.

Posted by: tommy at November 14, 2007 11:52 AM (G+fLm)

19

Cool! 3 more soldiers killed in Iraq today.

Finally, Hillary will have some wind at her back

Posted by: The Democrats at November 14, 2007 11:56 AM (KTgUG)

20

Is this blog nothing but a race to the bottom of the catch phrase barrel? 

Its not a bug, its a feature.

Posted by: tommy's Uncle Ernie at November 14, 2007 11:58 AM (evdj2)

21

Dont worry, jerkoff

When President Bush withdraws forces from Baghdad, Sadr will still play nice.

We're not going anywhere, even if the spousal abuse victim is elected

Posted by: The US Navy at November 14, 2007 12:03 PM (KTgUG)

22  "said Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.), one of Bush’s strongest supporters in Congress."


What the fuck???

Posted by: Mike in Chicago at November 14, 2007 12:12 PM (/L1AV)

23

The Real War on Terror in Afghanistan

Bush's War in Iraq

Not a Surge, an Escalation

Bush Lied People Died

600,000 Killed In Iraq

Halliburton!

Posted by: The Meme Monkeys at November 14, 2007 12:13 PM (KTgUG)

24 I like what I read a couple of days ago..."Clinton lied, a dress was stained".

Posted by: Mike in Chicago at November 14, 2007 12:16 PM (/L1AV)

25 still waiting, little boy. You've had an entire day to write up your brilliant and stellar plan for making the world a safe and peaceful place for children and other living things. So, let's hear it.  Come on, don't be shy. 

Or are you simply going to continue to make an even bigger fool out of yourself with each successive comment?

Posted by: wiserbud at November 14, 2007 12:19 PM (IHbof)

26

We like this one too:

Clinton lied, a dress was stained, then he bombed the fuck out of Iraq for 3 days because of Sadaams WMD programs

Posted by: The Meme Monkeys at November 14, 2007 12:19 PM (KTgUG)

27 But no one died (we think....)

Posted by: The Meme Monkeys at November 14, 2007 12:22 PM (KTgUG)

28

That sounds like "going great" to me

You mean except for the fact he never used the term "going great" right?

You idiots are hilarious in your stupidity.

Example:

you meme monkey's

Then:

It's called a cease fire morons, and if you don't think the newly armed Sunni's aren't biding their time and behaving

Without of course realizing you're typing a meme.

You can't name a single liberal prediction about OIF which has held true. Not one.

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 12:34 PM (BNlV7)

29 Brown Line, the Toothless Wonder™ is busy doing Beach Impeach and protesting outside marine recruiting offices (see Zombie's Code Pink vs. The Marines and Beach Impeach IV).

Tommy: Your net-fu is weak.  Besides I explained how to do it forever ago when the other morons wanted to attach it to The Barbed Cock of Satan™.

Posted by: Ranba at November 14, 2007 12:37 PM (h2MEX)

30

That sounds like "going great" to me

This sums up your simpleton thinking perfectly tommygirl

Bush hatred is not a rational response to actual Bush perfidy. Rather, Bush hatred compels its progressive victims—who pride themselves on their sophistication and sensitivity to nuance—to reduce complicated events and multilayered issues to simple matters of good and evil. Like all hatred in politics, Bush hatred blinds to the other sides of the argument, and constrains the hater to see a monster instead of a political opponent.

 

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 01:35 PM (BNlV7)

31

We will bury your so called "warriors" in the sand. Iraq will be a graveyard for the US military.

This is a cease fire. As soon as we decide to fight again, you die. We decide who lives and dies in Iraq, not the crusaders. Th US military is a paper tiger, dying helplessly on the battlefield with the mujaheddin.

Soon- you will all die, Inshallah.

Posted by: Baghdad Bob at November 14, 2007 01:37 PM (KTgUG)

32

The dramatic decrease in sectarian killings, car bombings, US casualties and overall violence in Iraq has nothing to do with the so-called troop surge.

This is a cease fire, and soon Iraq will again be in flames, Allah willing.

Posted by: Al Jazeera at November 14, 2007 01:39 PM (KTgUG)

33

The surge has failed.

The drop in violence and US deaths is due to the fact that there is no one left in Iraq to kill..., or, because we are paying Sunni insurgents to do the killing for us....or, because Sadr has imposed a "cease fire"..or,

Posted by: Dick Durbin (D-Waziristan) at November 14, 2007 01:41 PM (KTgUG)

34

No comment

Posted by: Zarqawi at November 14, 2007 01:57 PM (KTgUG)

35 No comment

Posted by: Saddam Hussein at November 14, 2007 01:57 PM (KTgUG)

36 No comment

Posted by: Uday Hussein at November 14, 2007 02:28 PM (wWwJR)

37 ...

Posted by: Mansur Suleiman al-Mashhadani at November 14, 2007 02:31 PM (wWwJR)

38 OIF!  Haha.  I had to look that up. One doesn't see it much since the F got lost in the shuffle.

"Thanks mighty ones for the free..<crack>..<gurgle>..<whump>"

Your arrogance is pretty puke inducing.

Quotes and predictions are fun.

"Once you got to Iraq and took it over, took down Saddam Hussein's government, then what are you going to put in its place? That's a very volatile part of the world, and if you take down the central government of Iraq, you could very easily end up seeing pieces of Iraq fly off."

Who said that I wonder, they are beyond prescient! And a real live sacrificing patriot to boot!

Also you are being pretty loose with the word meme, but you're a five star sillysallier of the OIF (salute!) so I'll let it go.

As far as your sweet precious BDS, it's spreading and you will soon feel it's glorious pain when you and yours and your newly found patriotism are forced to routinely surrendor to the supreme rule of HRH HRC.


Posted by: tommy at November 14, 2007 02:31 PM (G+fLm)

39 ......

Posted by: Abu Usama al-Tunisi at November 14, 2007 02:32 PM (wWwJR)

40 So, basically, you are just not going to respond to my question then, is that what your saying?

By the way, I think it's time for your meds.  Either that, or you really need another nap.

Posted by: wiserbud at November 14, 2007 02:35 PM (IHbof)

41

Who said that I wonder, they are beyond prescient

Hilarious.

Um, point out the part of Iraq that has "flown off"

Please.

Your arrogance is pretty puke inducing.

Translation:

You can't really make a substantive comment on the topic.

But it is funny to watch you, proud member of the party of "nuance" take terms like "turning our direction" and try to make them mean something else.

Pointing out you're a simpleton isn't "arrogant" it's fact.

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 02:37 PM (BNlV7)

42

Pointing out you're a simpleton isn't "arrogant" it's fact.

and a duty

Posted by: tommy's Uncle Ernie at November 14, 2007 02:39 PM (evdj2)

43

>>proud member of the party of "nuance"

Hey hey! Didn't you get the memo? Nuance is out. Modulation is in. They are the party of modulation now. So much more polished, sophisticated and highbrow than nuanced.

Posted by: Tushar D at November 14, 2007 02:40 PM (IlgNp)

44 ..............

Posted by: Pretty much Any Jihadi Ballsy Enought to SHow thier Face at November 14, 2007 02:42 PM (KTgUG)

45

No comment

 

/waiting to see what happens, will invent new "position" on Iraq at that juncture and present it to the slobbering retards that make up our "base"

Posted by: Hillary Clinton at November 14, 2007 02:45 PM (KTgUG)

46

As far as your sweet precious BDS, it's spreading and you will soon feel it's glorious pain when you and yours and your newly found patriotism are forced to routinely surrendor to the supreme rule of HRH HRC

Funny. Hey stupid, does Hillary! Support an immediate withdrawl of all troops from Iraq?

Since the answer is clearly "no" how is "BDS spreading" considering her and the President agree that having US troops there helps in the fight against al Qaeda?

Don't worry moron, you can't answer.

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 03:43 PM (BNlV7)

47 I suppose you just dump and eat the same shit sandwich over and over Jay.

Um, point out the part of Iraq that has "flown off"

Dickie C did get this a little wrong, the center didn't hold, sort of the other side of the same coin.

Since the answer is clearly "no" how is "BDS spreading" considering her and the President agree that having US troops there helps in the fight against al Qaeda?

Bush's disapproval continues to decline, more people than ever now agree what many have known, he's an incompetent fuck and a pretty sweet orchestrator of the collapse of his party which I fully support.  That's spreading btw dumbass.

Since you have some deep need to make this about me not my observations-I do not support immediate withdrawal.  I'm pretty much aligned with our probable next executive HRH HRC. 

Fight Al Qaeda...wtf is wrong with you people? I guess you spend so much time not thinking but feeling you believe any shit that pours in to your ear.  Those there aint them that come here so stfu about all this AQ bullshit.

Posted by: tommy at November 14, 2007 03:55 PM (G+fLm)

48

Fight Al Qaeda...wtf is wrong with you people? I guess you spend so much time not thinking but feeling you believe any shit that pours in to your ear.  Those there aint them that come here so stfu about all this AQ bullshit.

Uh, Hillary Clinton is saying that.

You're going to vote for her.

What does that say about you?

Dickie C did get this a little wrong, the center didn't hold, sort of the other side of the same coin.

Really? Where did it go then? Are you suggesting Iraq isn't a country or something?

Oh, you're just babbling bullshit.

Nevermind.

Bush's disapproval continues to decline***

So does Harry Reid's, that of the Democratic Congress and Hillary Clinton's.

 That's spreading btw dumbass.

See facts above.

 

***You can't even write English properly, disphit. You're meaning to say his 'disapproval' is increasing. Not "declining"

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 04:04 PM (BNlV7)

49 wow.  talk about running off the rails. 

Posted by: wiserbud at November 14, 2007 04:16 PM (IHbof)

50

Those there aint them that come here so stfu about all this AQ bullshit.

Funny:

Clinton has not been specific on the number of troops she would withdraw or when she would withdraw them. She has refused to promise that all troops would be out by the end of her first presidential term, in January 2013. She has said that several brigades of combat troops would have to remain in Iraq for a variety of missions, including:

-Denying a staging ground to al Qaida

Oh, and here is the woman you're going to vote for said just over 5 years ago:

In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members, though there is apparently no evidence of his involvement in the terrible events of September 11, 2001.

The Internet is a bitch, isn't it dumbass?

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 04:17 PM (BNlV7)

51

From Tommy's comment #47:

>>Bush's disapproval continues to decline.

Finally he concedes some good news!

Posted by: Tushar D at November 14, 2007 04:22 PM (IlgNp)

52 Fuck this AQ bullshit its just a bunch of fucking bullshit

Posted by: 9-11 Victims at November 14, 2007 04:29 PM (KTgUG)

53 Iraq has nothing to do with terrorism

Posted by: Sami Al Ani at November 14, 2007 04:30 PM (KTgUG)

54 Haha, this You can't even write English properly, disphit.

Followed by this:  You're meaning to say his 'disapproval' is increasing. Not "declining" You're meaning to say? Lol.

I don't agree with everything she said, and I abhor the capitulation of the Dems and the Iraq vote, it was weaksauce.  AQ in Iraq is not the AQ that attacked us, but who can blame a lady for playing a little cya in order to blunt her dumb cousins.

Representatives approval ratings only matter in their own districts and that is looking f-n scary for the GOP so button up bitches.

HRC is doing fine, she might not win more than one or two states that Kerry fucked up, but I'll take that.  Especially with all the GOP retirements and Dem cash bonanza 08 is going to be so nice.

I love how you fuck nuts care so much about 9/11 then spew sanctuary city nonsense.  You have to be a pretty sick fuck to use 9-11 Victims as an alias on a stupid blog thread.



Posted by: tommy at November 14, 2007 04:39 PM (G+fLm)

55 Just keep sending the cash, fucktards. 2008 is going to be a sweet year.

Posted by: 19 Percent Dem Congress at November 14, 2007 05:15 PM (KTgUG)

56 What America needs is just a few more do nothing Democrats in office. Cant wait for '08. Then I might have to change my name to 2 Percent.

Posted by: 19 Percent Dem Congress at November 14, 2007 05:17 PM (KTgUG)

57

HRC is doing fine

Really? She has the highest disapproval of anyone who's ever ran for office.

Q in Iraq is not the AQ that attacked us, but who can blame a lady for playing a little cya in order to blunt her dumb cousins.

Funny stuff. Really. Your ignorance is appalling.

FYI dumbshit: AQ in Iraq was sent there to rally around a Jordanian at the instruction of OBL. The idea they're homegrown is laughable.

But you're one of the silliest dipshits to ever comment on this topic so you believing that is not terribly shocking.

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 05:33 PM (BNlV7)

58 FYI dumbshit: AQ in Iraq was sent there to rally around a Jordanian at the instruction of OBL. The idea they're homegrown is laughable.

Really? Sounds terrifying. Maybe we should have secured the much more lawless, treachorous, sympathetic and nearer region first?  He had cells here too, when should we start bombing NJ?   

So after 4 years of American occupation how many of these foreign terrorists are still there? There is post up the way trumpeting some half-baked information regarding a Sunni office being shut down for AQ in Iraq ties.  Maybe a few jihadists trickled in or were hanging around, but it is a full on Iraqi based movement, to say otherwise is to prove to be in possession of an inability to synthesize information.  AQ in Iraq is a canard and simpletons like yourself stretch that fig leaf beyond credibility.


Posted by: tommy at November 14, 2007 05:46 PM (G+fLm)

59

Really? Sounds terrifying. Maybe we should have secured the much more lawless, treachorous, sympathetic and nearer region first?  He had cells here too, when should we start bombing NJ?

Note the moving of the goalposts. Also note that every single one of your silly little meme's has been refuted here.

By the way dipshit, the state of New Jersey didn't make it an official policy to give sanctuary to terrorists.

Why are you simpletons so stupid? Why?

HRC is doing fine

I'm still laughing at that one. Yeah, her handling of that question regarding the driver's licenses went real well stupid. Real well.

I guess that's why she's planting staffers and questions in the audiences at her appearances.

 

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 05:50 PM (BNlV7)

60

but it is a full on Iraqi based movement

Was this before or after AQ members came at the request of OBL?

Or was this before or after a Jordanian was their leader?

Just asking, dumbass.

AQ in Iraq is a canard and simpletons like yourself stretch that fig leaf beyond credibility.

Oh the irony. The woman you're going to vote for in the next election believes this "canard" and you can't wait to vote for her.

Posted by: Jay at November 14, 2007 05:52 PM (BNlV7)

61

So after 4 years of American occupation how many of these foreign terrorists are still there?

The dirt-napping ones are there to stay.

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