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| The Wit And Wisdom Of Norman MailerA 1974 poem by Mailer, to his hero and better Hemingway. I'll try to reproduce it here but he's doing that stupid shit with strangely placed indents and centerings and crap so really this isn't going to give you the full Artistic Impact of the poem.Gladiators For Hemingway Dust returns to dustNorman Mailer poetry slam? Kimball's articles instructs that Mailer cared passionately about the following leitmotifs: booze, getting laid, his dick, boxing, other sweaty sports which show off brutality and manliness, his dick, pretending to be the new Hemingway, war, attacking better writers as "minor talents," his dick, pretending to be a really hard-assed guy who gets a lot of ass and will kill you for a carton of cigarettes, buggery, being a dedicated murder-groupie and serial killer jock-sniffer, stabbing women with knives, depicting all sexual relationships as transactional and a "battle" not unlike boxing or other sweaty sports, and stabbing women with his dick, which is much like a knife, except it brings such exquisite pleasure, because he's such a fucking man. He seems rather Beauchampian, if I may be so bold as to honor him thus. Sort of David Mamet without the cadence and talent. Anyway, I've come to really hate this prick in the past 24 hours and thought we could give him the send-off to hell he deserves. Comments1
Er, it's Hemingway.
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The Executioner's Song How did I get here? What is this place? You might find this journey one worth making, but I sure as hell don't. War, murder, killing and fucking. Mostly fucking. I've always wanted to summon up the courage it takes to stab a woman. and like so many douchebags before me, I found my courage, courage in a bottle. courage in a bottle, yeah courage in a bottle courage in a bottle, yeah
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Poetry can be the mose vain and useless artform. It's so easy to take a stab at, and usually it's totally uninformative. It's a way of obscuring your speech to force people to think to your conclusions.
I've seen great poetry, but mostly (and even most of the stuff that is well regarded) is terrible self promotion. Beauchampian is a great word for it. Posted by: PJ at November 13, 2007 07:04 PM (8dfqL) Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at November 13, 2007 07:06 PM (k5JzA) 7
Looks like he's given ro-ro a run for it's money!
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Norman Mailer is to literature, what Roy Rogers is...to literature. His biography should be entitled: "I Have A Dick: The Norman Mailer Story." In Haiku: Can my dick be drunk? Stab a woman. Box a man. Bourbon? Hail my dick!
He was the Paris Hilton of writing; famous just for being famous. Posted by: Shawn at November 13, 2007 07:13 PM (t4vwR) 9
"There are three kinds of brave men: those who are brave by the grace of nature, those who are brave by an act of will, and those who shank their wives at cocktail parties."
Posted by: sandy burger at November 13, 2007 07:13 PM (ePQxy) 10
Mailer is already a period piece. To the next generation and beyond, the high regard he garnered will be totally incomprehensible.
Posted by: ricpic at November 13, 2007 07:17 PM (sSe7q) 11
One little known bit of Mailer trivia: in Japan his book "The Naked And The Dead" was released under the title "Super-Dick Whiskey Punch-Out Man! Stab Stab!"
Posted by: Shawn at November 13, 2007 07:22 PM (t4vwR) 12
He was just an evil lousy human being. I find it hard to mourn his passing.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2007 07:26 PM (TZ4Dk) 13
About Mailer: to write is to fuck to fight is to write by supressing gay urges and writing these dirges i'm able to keep Papa in sight.
Posted by: mark c at November 13, 2007 07:47 PM (7SrZ1) 14
Norman Pays Tribute to His Hero
To prove my manly lust for life And appetite for manly strife, I fortify with manly brew - A man’s man, Ernest, just like you! - Then grab my manly little knife And perforate my lovely wife.
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the blackened treeline scorched and blasted by rumbling guns seven thousand Japanese soldiers await. I fucked a monkey. We are not brave while once we were now merely resigned seven thousand Japanese soldiers await. I fucked a monkey. Death is not a fear but an accomodation dead inside we thousand troops rush the treeline. I fucked a monkey. His name was Mr. Sillypants. Posted by: Norman Mailer at November 13, 2007 07:52 PM (1UCRY) 16
This shit isn't even poetry, it's prose. Again. Poetry is suppose to have form. Somewhere along the line they decided that rhythm and rhyme were too oppressive. Tennyson, he ain't. Posted by: Entropy at November 13, 2007 07:55 PM (HgAV0) 17
another dead asshole
Posted by: Jaded at November 13, 2007 08:00 PM (ElLn4) Posted by: mark c at November 13, 2007 08:09 PM (7SrZ1) 19
Thanks, norman.
Posted by: Gary Gilmore at November 13, 2007 08:11 PM (7SrZ1) 20
If I found myself, again,
a student in English Literature... A callow youth, before the academy, and, they dragged out Mailer, I'd have to say, "Teacher, may I be excused? I have taste." See, anyone can break up a badly-formed paragraph and look like a hep cat. Posted by: Merovign at November 13, 2007 08:12 PM (IaYDo) 21
I've heard that "The Naked and the Dead" is a pretty good book. Apparently, even George Orwell recommended it to a friend (high praise indeed). I've never read it. Maybe I will, someday.
But I find it interesting, that after this - his first book - none of his books are really known for being good, memorable books. For being shocking, or reflective of the zeitgeist, or even for being execrable, yes. But for being good, no. After 1948, he was mostly famous for being famous - and for being a booze-hound, assaulting his wife, extolling crime as an act of transgressive revolution, and for helping to free killers so they could kill again. (Incidentally, on that latter achievement, William F. Buckley did the same thing). So I'm glad to see that Mailer is finally being appreciated for what he was: a vain, violent, drunken, and altogether awful, evil man. So who's up next for re-evaulation? I nominate William S. Burroughs - a perverted junkie, wife-killing creep. A man whose every book was a celebration of filth, disease, and depravity. For that matter, what great "literary" writers has this nation produced since WWII? Mailer? Burroughs? DeLillo? Pynchon? All crap. I'd trade Fitzgerald or Hemingway for the whole stinking lot of them. Posted by: Martin at November 13, 2007 08:27 PM (DRd0Y) 22
Wow. Jack M regains first place in epic poetry writing once again.
Posted by: EC at November 13, 2007 08:35 PM (j2Tjh) 23
This Mailer dude ain't such a bad guy, why you ragging on him? For a newbie, he handles the heat here pretty well too.
Posted by: Saddam Hussein at November 13, 2007 09:02 PM (TZ4Dk) 24
Never read The Naked and The Dead, though I have a copy of it. It is a damned thick book, and though I am a brainiac who likes to read thick tomes, I thought, "hell, I'll just see how it ends . . .." and peaked at the last couple o' pages. Turns out this semi-biographical tale ends on a rather disturbing note: The cold-blooded murder of several Japanese prisoners of war. "Nah," I thought, "not interested in a 736 page justification for violating the Geneva Conventions so blatantly." . . . Not really. I was just too lazy to read the thing. The Japanese army had it coming. Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2007 09:24 PM (UioS4) 25
Martin -- read William Manchester instead. His stories are real. Mailer's are good mostly for impressing epicene literary critics and educators who wouldn't know a real gun if David Berkowitz waited their table...
Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 13, 2007 09:29 PM (yIy7z) 26
His Wikipedia entry should actually read: "Over-rated asshole".
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I liked "Ancient Evenings". Maybe if Mailer had admitted he was gay, he would not have been such a miserable prick. Hitchens wrote a piece about him this week. It seemed as if Hitch was giving him a pass, a reach around for a fellow traveller of more than one sort, but Hitch and his essay deserve a second look. Posted by: eman at November 13, 2007 09:38 PM (NPwKI) 29
Does the name Jack Henry Abbott ring a bell? He was the felon that Mailer helped to get out of jail in 1981. Mailer was enraptured by Abbott's writing about prison: it was all so manly, you see.
Abbott was out on parole for six weeks, the toast of the NY literary scene thanks to Mailer, when he stabbed to death one Richard Adan, a waiter with whom he had a quarrel over using a restaurant washroom. He was locked up again and hanged himself in prison in 2002. After the murder, Mailer's reaction was, Gosh, who could have seen that coming? The asshole. Posted by: Brown Line at November 13, 2007 10:04 PM (x4rbl) 30
"The Language of Men" was actually a pretty good Mailer short story--it's in the aptly titled "Advertisements for Myself," check it out. Beyond that, I couldn't get into his stuff much.
Posted by: Dave in VA at November 13, 2007 10:14 PM (8s/00) 31
Mailers reaction to the murder of the waiter was worse than that. He basically said he was willing to "take chances" for "culture" or some such miserable bleating of a total douche. I was forced to read "An American Dream" in college. Mailer was the epitome of the hep cat, 60's radical artiste and his work and his life serve as the perfect epitaph for that destructive period of time. Would that we could bury, forget and undue the damage to our culture as quickly as this turd will justly be forgotten worm food, studied only in backwater english lit departments staffed by pseudo-tough guy, closeted faggots with PhD's. That Hitchens is a fan of this fraud is almost as repulsive as Hitchen's disfiguring hatred for Christianity. Posted by: Fred at November 13, 2007 10:24 PM (5upXC) 32
Who?
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29, what a great memory you have. Thanks, this guy was a pompous dickhead. May he rot in hell. Kemp Posted by: kempermanx at November 13, 2007 11:21 PM (iLWmI) 35
Fuck Norman Mailer...
Posted by: Society at November 13, 2007 11:36 PM (X/apF) 36
Martin.......Try James Jones.
Posted by: Aubrey at November 13, 2007 11:53 PM (AqsAV) 37
He basically said he was willing to "take chances" for "culture" or some such miserable bleating of a total douche.
I'm willing to take a chance that Mailer isn't going to rise from the dead anytime soon...otherwise more drastic measure might have to be taken to keep his fetid boorish psychotic emanations contained from now on. Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 14, 2007 12:09 AM (TZ4Dk) 38
If there was a poetaster league, Mailer would've been all-conference. If there was a sociopathic poser league, he would've been all-world. Here's my send-off, courtesy of Eddie Murphy: Images by Tyrone Greene Posted by: TiredWench at November 14, 2007 12:13 AM (Kx1hM) 39
This is mean.
Hemmingway wasn't exactly an angel either. I said this before so pardon if you already heard it from me, I read tons of books on ancient Egypt, most of them dry as, well Egypt, but the best, by far the most interesting, is Ancient Evenings. Nothing else comes close. Mostly made up, but oi, what an imagination. Posted by: bour3 at November 14, 2007 12:27 AM (9YONe) Posted by: The Band at November 14, 2007 12:38 AM (nHRdf) 41
Well, it kind of helps explain Andrea Dworkin, doesn't it?
Posted by: funky chicken at November 14, 2007 12:57 AM (I+jPP) 42
FWIW - Hitchen's piece on Mailer is not particularly glowing. If it were the only thing I'd ever read about Mailer, it wouldn't make me want to read anything written by Mailer.
Oh, yeah, I lived in the East Village when Mailer and his cronies let Jack Henry Abbott lose on us. I could've been killed by that lunatic as easily as that waiter was. Thanks and rot in hell, Norman. Posted by: Z as in Jersey at November 14, 2007 01:11 AM (RiRew) 43
Yeah, all the MSM reporting on Mailers death I read ignored his role in freeing that murdering fucktard Jack Henry Abbot. Hell, for an early indication how screwed up Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins are, they named their SON after Abbot.....How fucked up can you get? Apparently alot.....
Posted by: zipity at November 14, 2007 10:10 AM (ml4fS) 44
He was just an evil lousy human being.
This is true of a lot of lefty icons. I wonder why that is? /(British historian Paul Johnson documents a number of these assholes in his book Intellectuals) Posted by: OregonMuse at November 14, 2007 11:10 AM (JpJT3) 45
following up on zipity..
You can't make this stuff up.. On the morning of July 18, just six weeks after getting out of prison, Jack Abbott went to a small cafe called the Binibon in Manhattan. He clashed with 22-year-old Richard Adan, son-in-law of the restaurant's owner, after Adan told him that the restroom was for staff only. The short-tempered Abbott stabbed Adan in the chest, killing him. The very next day, unaware of Abbott's crime, the New York Times ran a positive review of In the Belly of the Beast. After some time on the run, Abbott was arrested in Morgan City, Louisiana, while he was working in an oilfield. He was charged with the murder of Richard Adan. At his trial in January 1982, he gained the support of such celebrities as Susan Sarandon, whose son Jack Henry Robbins is named after Abbott, and Jerzy Kosinski. Abbot was convicted of manslaughter and given fifteen years to life. Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 14, 2007 11:16 AM (FCGJ9) 46
If this is what passes for culture and taste in our society, pass me the remote and Cheetos.
Posted by: Karusky at November 14, 2007 11:18 AM (EBrO9) Posted by: memomachine at November 14, 2007 12:01 PM (3pvQO) 48
My condolences to his family and friends, and his readership.
I detest his writings and his world-view, but we can leave that aside for now in respect for those who loved him. Posted by: Richard Romano at November 14, 2007 01:42 PM (GpwqX) 49
Among Mailer's "legacies": He helped free a murdering psychopath from prison, who promptly stabbed a restaurant waiter in the throat. In war, whether against communism or Islamofascism, America could do no right. We were the always the bad guys. He called Ground Zero more "beautiful" than the World Trade Center buildings. He condoned the attacks on 9/11 as a "tolerable level of terror"; saying that the U.S. deserved it because we were “cultural and aesthetic oppressors”. As Dennis Miller said: "Norman Mailer has become Norman Maine, a former matinee idol whom loved ones best keep an eye on, because if this is the best he can now muster, he'll no doubt be walking purposely into the surf off Provincetown any day now. And as Mr. Mailer's prostate gradually supplants his ego as the largest gland in his body, he's going to have to realize, as is the case with all young lions who inevitably morph into Bert Lahr, that his alleged profundities are now being perceived as the early predictors of dementia." Well, the demented, pompous, bellicose asshat with the oversized ego, has finally drowned in the surf. Good riddance to fetid garbage. Posted by: sfcmac at November 16, 2007 06:25 PM (k6M4A) 50
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