CNN Reports on Waterboarding

I spotted this unusual report on waterboarding when several big Lefty sites started complaining about it. Their complaint is that it isn't serious enough. I have to admit, it is entertaining (you may have to sit through a commercial to see the report).

JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's one thing to see an animation of water boarding and another to see the real thing. Sounds like the Bush administration's nominee for attorney general hasn't seen a demo.
MICHAEL MUKASEY, ATTORNEY GENERAL NOMINEE: I don't know what's involved in the technique, if water boarding is torture, torture is not constitutional.
MOOS: It depends what the definition of water boarding is, but this reporter didn't define it, he demonstrated it, on himself.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What do you have to say? What do you have to say?
MOOS: Kaj Larsen is a reporter for Current TV, Al Gore's outfit. He used to be special ops and once had to undergo water boarding as part of military training, but this time he paid other professional interrogators.
KAJ LARSEN, REPORTER: I weaseled him down to $800.
MOOS: To waterboard him so folks could decide if it amounts to torture.
LARSEN: It start to create the sensation of drowning.
MOOS: They stuffed a rag into Larsen's mouth. They began pouring and then the shaking began.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think he's getting ready to say something.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can end this now, just talk.
MOOS: Larsen's producer actually ended it telling the interrogators to stop after 24 minutes. Normally a person breaks after two or three.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You OK?

The report leaves viewers with one impression of the technique: "What's the big, f**kin' deal, man?"

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at 12:18 PM

Comments

1
I love the sound of moonbat and libtard heads exploding in the morning. Ba-boom!

Posted by: aoshq janitor at November 05, 2007 12:22 PM (Ak5Wc)

Larsen's producer actually ended it telling the interrogators to stop after 24 minutes.

KSM broke after what, 2-3 minutes? It means Larsen is really that tough, or they weren't doing it right.

Posted by: EC at November 05, 2007 12:24 PM (mAhn3)

3 Waterboarding Scandis?

About time!

Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 05, 2007 12:31 PM (s7Ian)

Nah. It makes a -big- difference when you know you can stop it at any time. The panic that breaks you results from the fear that they -won't- stop.

Which is really what makes this the "perfect" form of torture, if there is such a thing. Doesn't do any lasting damage at all, isn't really even all that physically painful, but it scares the living hell out of you if you aren't in control of it. Sully's hysterics about it are just that.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at November 05, 2007 12:34 PM (/FDfc)

5 I bet within two years, the hottest thing happening in bath houses and gay bars will be erotic waterboarding rooms, where you get "the treatment".

Posted by: roy at November 05, 2007 12:38 PM (QBYjk)

6 Interesting... so where's the clip of the reporter having bamboo shoots driven under his finger & toenails?

Having his hands broken one bone at a time?

Having his teeth removed without anesthesia?

Being branded repeatedly by a red-hot poker?

I mean, since they're willing to undergo torture for a story, I'm sure all of these are also somewhere being done by CNN reporters right? It's not like they'd only willingly do the ones that detractors have called "pansy assed" torture.

Wouldn't that sort of behavior be more likely to prove that this sort of thing isn't torture? the laundry list of "torture" that detractors claim isn't that bad, reporters will do. The ones everyone agree is bad, reporters won't do... what does that tell you?

Or is there some super-clever liberal logic involved here that I miss whereby reporters are willing to undergo some "tortures" and not others, but that doesn't stop them all from being horrible and awful?

Posted by: Gekkobear at November 05, 2007 12:42 PM (X0NX1)

7 Gekkobear nailed it.

I love the self-defeating emotional argument that those dirty protest hippies make by waterboarding each other during demonstrations.

Ohhhh...look this method is so horrifying that a bunch of faggot leftists are able to endure it with no lasting effects.

Posted by: Warden at November 05, 2007 01:37 PM (rZ5uY)

8 So the general gist of this story is anti-war demonstrators and reporters are masochists? That's the only conclusion I can reach if it's really so bad.

Posted by: Ranba at November 05, 2007 01:46 PM (h2MEX)

9 Or is there some super-clever liberal logic involved here that I miss whereby reporters are willing to undergo some "tortures" and not others, but that doesn't stop them all from being horrible and awful?

/tachyonshuggy taps the side of his nose

Posted by: tachyonshuggy at November 05, 2007 02:19 PM (Lz6uE)

10 All "liberal" generalizations aside, the point of this was to see what exactly is being discussed here. Clearly people, like the readers of this post, think waterboarding is no big deal. The whole point of this guy's doing it was to show that it is. It's all very well to sit at your computer and think you could handle it just fine and the complainers are all wussies, but it looks like an awful, scary, and, well tortuous, thing to me.

Posted by: Emily at November 05, 2007 04:01 PM (sLrtt)

The whole point of this guy's doing it was to show that it is.

No doubt. And apparently failing to do so. 24 minutes. I wonder what the SERE record is.

Posted by: toby928 at November 05, 2007 04:06 PM (evdj2)

12 it looks like an awful, scary, and, well tortuous, thing to me.

One of my pet peeves is misuse of the word "tortuous" to mean "torturous."

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at November 05, 2007 04:48 PM (hPsz6)

13 Gekkobear stated my sentiments exactly, except you left out a car battery and jumper cables.

Posted by: B Moe at November 05, 2007 05:14 PM (8SxEl)

Emily,

Of course it's scarey. That's the point - the psychological benefit of torture without the physical damage.

Posted by: Warden at November 05, 2007 05:36 PM (G2ZDk)

you may have to sit through a commercial to see the report

Never!

Posted by: TallDave at November 05, 2007 06:36 PM (r1Ip+)

G.M., She shall continue to misuse "tortuous."

Until you talk.

You can end this, any time.

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Posted by: 彼岸落日 at November 08, 2007 03:51 AM (/ujIL)

18 Torture-Should We Do It?

The confirmation hearings for Attorney General-Designate, Michael Mukasey has now been hung up on whether he approves of the practice of water-boarding-a form of interrogation that gives the prisoner the sensation of drowning. This is all part of a larger question: Are we engaging in torture of terrorist prisoners, and if so, is it right?

As a retired law enforcement agent (DEA), this question has a personal ring. Torture is something I never did; it is something I never would have approved of; it is something I have no knowledge of by my colleagues. It is something that is against the very essence of our American culture.

A generation ago, America was accused of having trained Latin American law enforcement and military to practice torture. I thought the idea was laughable. When did Latin Americans need North Americans to teach them how to torture? In reality, they would have to teach us how to do it. Latin Americans learned the art of torture from the Spaniards centuries ago.

I do believe that we as Americans should not engage in this practice for two reasons: First, we are supposed to be the good guys. Second, we want to do everything possible to ensure that our own prisoners are treated according to civilized standards. While I believe that terrorist suspects should not be accorded protections of the Geneva Convention nor the rights of our criminal court system, I feel they should be treated humanely. I would hate to think that we are practicing torture in places like Guantanemo. Is waterboarding torture? Yes, I think it is.

However..........

In 1985, a DEA agent named Enrique Camarena, who was assigned to Guadalajara, Mexico, was kidnapped by Mexican drug lords (assisted by certain elements of the Mexican police) and tortured to death over the course of several days. Camarena's death and the circumstances of his death have been an emotional issue to DEA agents to this day. DEA was under no illusions as to what Camarena's fate would be unless he could be rescued. So the question is: Would torture have been justified if DEA or Mexican police had a member of that drug ring in custody who knew where Camarena was being held? In my view, yes. Would I have done it in those circumstances? Yes, I believe I would have. (Someone would have had to show me how.)

The same question arises in the War on Terror. We have seen instances where Americans have been kidnapped overseas by Islamic terrorists, tortured and killed-in some cases by beheading. So if we had someone in custody who knew where one of our people was being held, would torture be justified? Would it be justified if the prisoner knew the details of a terrorist bomb about to go off- perhaps a nuclear device? What would I do? What would you do?

As much as I hate to admit it, I do believe that there may be certain extraordinary instances when torture is justified. Do I have a problem if we are sending terrorist prisoners back to their own countries to face the interrogation methods of their own authorities? (No.) Will this increase the danger of our own prisoners being tortured by Islamic terrorists? They are going to do it no matter what we do. I respect the opinions of those who say we should never engage in torture no matter what. However, I have come to the sad conclusion that we are up against an evil enemy. If, and only if, innocent lives will be saved from terrorists, then, as much as I hate to admit it, I would support the use of torture by Americans. If anyone disagrees, I respect your feelings.

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