"Immigration restrictionists don't vote single issue, so it won't help Republicans."

Actually, I'd say that, excepting possibly abortion, this is the single biggest block of single issue voters among Republicans there is.  Is it true among Democrats as well?  Well, probably not as many, but I don't think it's negligible at all, specially for the union types.

I might actually watch Lou Dobbs tomorrow.  Heh.  Heh.  Heh.

Qwinn

By "know who is here," I believe she means "know the name that was given with no supporting evidence thereof."

What stops Oswaldo Garcia from resurrecting himself as Armando Martinez when the Oswaldo Garcia identity is fucked - i.e. license revoked, credit ruined, bad debt, raped some little kids?

No one has ever sufficiently answered that question, or answered it at all rather than calling me a racist xenophobe. Still waitin'.

Apparently, Hillary is trying to woo the voting illegals from Obama and Richardson.

Yeah, Lou Dobbs and Glenn Beck will be foaming at their mouths tomorrow, although I can't blame them.

Couple of things...

In Spanish, the direct translation of "bitch" is perra, but it's not used in the same context... they usually use the term "hijo de puta" which means "son of a whore" in the same context we use "son of a bitch". Closest noun that would be used in the context of "bitch" would be cabron or cabra in the feminine, which translates into "goat". If you wanted to use the term "fucking bitch" in Spanish, you'd probably use the term "pinche cabron" or "pinche cabra", which basically means "worthless goat"... pinche is used in (particularly Mexican dialect) Spanish as an adjective the way we use the word "fucking".

Sorry to be a know-it-all, but I figure it's worth knowing how to curse someone properly in what is evidently the second language in the US...

In regards to this clip- whatever the spin may be, this was not a great moment for Hillary, and it shows an ignorance of what is widely polled as one of the top issues facing the US today. If she wants to hang her hat on that, it'll follow her like a bad picture of her in a mullet and spandex... no, wait, she's already kicking the mullet in this clip.

tmi3rd

She's made a huge error, as long as the idgit GOP elite can dislodge their heads from their clenched sphincters.

Well, yes and no. I mean, none of the republican frontrunners is remotely serious about border security/immigration reform.

as much as i like giuliani, there's no doubt that he'll open the borders, given the chance. romney's a squish and i don't trust him as far as i can throw him. fred's not going anywhere, and would probably "grow in office" the way reagan did.

let's face it... even the great shining light of the republican party, Ron himself, crapped all over the country when he signed simpson-mazzoli. and smiled about it.

the only hope is that we hang on long enough in the house and the senate for, i dunno, common sense to break out?

personally, this is a topic of equal importance to the GWOT at this point. i understand if others don't feel this way, but when Chris Dodd sounds tougher than any of the republicans (or at least more credible/prinicpled,) i start to have terrible thoughts.

I refuse to let the smirking jorge arbusto et al hold the war hostage to pleasing vicente fox anymore.

/rant

"fred's not going anywhere"

What is it with this?  Rasmussen's got him as the #2 Pub in a head to head contest with Hillary.  They're at a statistical dead heat.

As for being "remotely serious about border security/immigration reform", Fred! is sounding pretty awesome to me on that score.  Said building the border fence already mandated by law will be a big priority with him, and hasn't made any squishy sounds on it at all.

Qwinn

What is it with this?  Rasmussen's got him as the #2 Pub in a head to head contest with Hillary.  They're at a statistical dead heat.

Fair enough; it's too soon to tell what will become of fred!. i shouldn't have exaggerated... i get riled up over this.

and no, he hasn't seemed squishy on the topic, at least on the campaign trail.

check out http://grades.betterimmigration.com/testgrades.php3?District=TN&VIPID=743&retired=1

it's neither very damning or very encouraging... i think it shows mainly a picture of Fred! as someone who didn't want to take a position. granted, at the time most of these votes were taken, it didn't seem like the issue it does now.

he's the best we can hope for, at least on this topic.

we'll see.

Word for all Comment :SHUT UP PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!

Y? HIULARY IS MY GIRL!!!!!!!!!

You dont Know anything about Immigration, All you think is that they are all illegal. You didnt think what YOU can DO to this people in order to live peaceful in this country. Think for something to solve this problem. Think how you can make a safer life for all americans. all of you are always saying ENFORCE THE LAW. Well im telling all of your bonehead, that the IMMIGRATION LAW IS BROKEN. So think about how will you straightened tha immigration law.

IM SO TIRED OF ALL OF THIS BONEHEAD PEOPLE. DO SOMETHING. THINK SOMETHING TO SOLVE AND REGAIN THE DIGNITY OF OUR IMMIGRATION SYSTEM. DONT BE SO HIPPOCRATES.

I know all of you are telling that what about those criminal alien who kill, raped, etc... WELL, THATS WHY WE NEED TO FIX THE LAW. this stupid government cannot enforce the la so we need to act. WE NEED IMMIGRATION REFORM. One of the key in this reform is to have a BACKGROUND CHECK, DID ANYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT.

Hey manuel,

?Que pasa cabron?

The think for something to fix this is to get a handle on the people that are already here illegally and stop more people from getting into our country illegally and actually enforce the laws that we already have so that when we fix them -- less people can abuse the system and those that want to come here legally will be able to without having to deal with a system that is overtaxed by dealing with the people that are already here illegally.

It is not a right to become a citizen of this country, nor is it a right to be allowed to cross our border.  No other country lets so many illegals exist within it's borders.  The problem is the illegals, not the law.  The law isn't broken, it's not being enforced  -- so goofballs like you want us to make it even more leniant.

Beunos nachos amigo.

Manuel Carillo-

Let me see if I've got this straight...

"What happen?"

"Somebody set us up the bomb."

"We get signal."

"Main Screen turn on."

"All your base are belong to us. You have no chance to survive make your time."

At least, that's how it reads...

tmi3rd

Seriously, Lou Dobbs -better- go absolutely apeshit over this tomorrow.  He better be driven into the same sort of sputtering revolted hystrionic rage that we'd expect from Rosie O'Donnell presented with a large penis covered in her favorite chocolate.

Qwinn

goofballsmesablue and tmi3rd.

you know what. im not mexican. amigo.

all of what you have said ARE the reason why we need to fix our system.

THIS ONLY SHOW THAT YOU DONT READ NOR YOU DONT UNDERSTAND THE BILL. LOOK AND ANALYZE THE BILL FOR IMMIGRATION REPORM.

dont correlate this people to those who are teroRrist. Look also in our legal or eveN american citizen of this country, they doing most terrible and most dangerous thing here in US. you dont think about it.

Think about the canadian borderr to. all of this people not only mexican.

So do you thinhk if giovernment enforce the law for those peopl whoare here they will show up. youre kidding!!!!!!!!!!!!1

they will be silent...............

so do something.

How many years from 1986 the government enforce the law. DID IT CHANGE> WAKE UP>dont tell me that those people who serve in thisdidnt do anything to enforce the law. two decade pass and the immigration is still and going broken.

Oh, u actualy wnt ppl to rspund 2 yer evdenty drunkn rnt?

K- ?Es posible que puedes clarificar algo para nosotros? No me importa de donde eres- parece que eres de la planeta moronica o borracha...

You say you're a fan of real immigration reform, yet Hilury is yur gurrrrrl? That would appear to be a contradiction right there... but let's work on your typography and spelling before we tax your brain too much.

tmi3rd

It's a pimple dude.

Even if the media were to somehow turn on Hillary on the issue of granting drivers licenses to illegal immigrants, tomorrow ... she'd just change her position. It's a one-day story.

Hillary is going to be your next president, because Republicans with the possible exception of George W. Bush, who isn't really a conservative, are governing like corrupt morons. Ted Stevens is still in the Senate? Larry Craig is still in the Senate?

Get used to saying Madam President.

Dudes, Carillo is a faux chicano

Funny stuff tho

Jack nailed it. The really, really sweet part about her position is that it is emminently understandable by Every. Single. Voter. This isn't some inside baseball shit about Dingell-Norwood or touchbacks or whatever.

It's fucking drivers licenses. My drunk inbred third cousin can get his meth-addled noodle around this one. And vote appropriately.

Immigration restrictionists don't vote single issue, so it won't help Republicans.

I'm not an immigration 'restrictionist,' and I don't think anyone else here is either.

We want people to immigrate legally. We don't think we owe anything to people who enter the country illegally to make money.

BTW, that Hillary clip is on my local talk radio show right now.

There is no GOP plan for the election.  No unifying theme or candidate.

There is only  a bunch of little local guys  each trying to make himself look like major league material.   

It's every man for himself out there saying whatever.  Where is Karl Rove? Someone should be selling the idea that it's not the man but the party and its ruling philosophy that people will elect.

Bush bartered away the Republican Image of small govenment, anti-corruptions, with controls on spending. He sold it for a mess or porridge support for the war. 

Thus the race is all about personality this year. Who has the nicer smile? Rudy or Romney?

Hillary, corrupt and vicious as she is, comes across as someone who will be in charge.

Does anybody get the impression that Romney will RUN the government?  I think he's just an administrator.  Rudy comes across somewhat better on that point but still doesn't have the 'command presence' that he needs. The Fred has the command presence and that is the sole basis for his popularity.

Why don't the other candidates ask themselves what it is that People like about the Fred and show us some of that?

Wow.  This is a really good analysis.

I think I'll link it on my supra awesomely awesome blog.

Now who to give credit to...

Hmmm.  Decisions decisions.  There is no name at the top...hmmm.

Do you suppose I should do some research?  Fact checking?

Nah!  That's why god gave our computers editing abilities!!

I thought I read last night that she threw a meltdown/tantrum at the end of the thing.  That might be more important.

to the .006% of the population watching.

I think I can pull my head out of the oven....

FINALLY Shitllary is forced to answer real questions and thank god show what an empty extra large pantsuit she is wearing. This is AWESOME.

DONT BE SO HIPPOCRATES

wasn't that the guy they call "the father of medicine"?

doesn't seem like a bad guy to be....

I fail to see how this is going to get Jack M. laid.

What am I missing peoples?

So what's Spanish for "Night of the Sodomizing Cougar-Demon"?

As in Dick Cheney...

"the IMMIGRATION LAW IS BROKEN."

Sorry, douchehammer - you can't break the system and then claim the right to violate the law because the system is broken. We're a tad smarter than that.

Just because people like you, and people on Boards of Corporations do not think that legal immigration is lax enough and allocates enough spots to you and yours is not a license to break the law. "I don't like the law, therefore I will not follow it and decide what is fair for myself" is not an acceptable attitude.

Cue child who kills parents and moans that he is an Orphan.

YOU ARE INSULTING AMERICAN SOLDIERS OF HISPANIC DESCENT !

 Part of my family lives in USA, part of my family lives in Mexico.

One of my uncles fought in the Second World War in Europe. Two other were stationed ready to go abroad when the war ended.

A cousin of mine went to Vietnam.

One of my nephews has been to Iraq (not only once, but twice !!).

My other nephew is presently fighting in Afghanistan.

Both of my nephews are with the Marine Corps. Semper fi.

The parents of all these American soldiers, my relatives, came here first without proper documentation, with the exception of one, thus illegally. Even one of these Marines was born in Mexico.

They were willing to make the ultimate sacrifice for their new country.

Let me remind you that many Mexicans came to USA during the Second World War to work in agriculture, mining, and other industries, because the male population was drafted to fight overseas in Europe and Japan..

Many of the present Hispanics are the descendants of those people that stayed here.

Some of these soldiers are from parents that were once illegal. They have even joined the military and died in foreign countries

Let me repeat the words of  McCain in one of the debates:

"My friends, I want you the next time you're down in Washington, D.C. to go to the Vietnam War Memorial and look at the names engraved in black granite," he said. "You'll find a whole lot of Hispanic names.”

THE RULE OF LAW

WHEN IS THE LAW, THE LAW?

Why are you claiming the rule of law against people that came here to work? Work that many of you don’t want to perform.

“Rule of law” means enforcing laws that are capable of enforcement, otherwise people merely learn disrespect for the law. Obviously, immigration laws that refuse to recognize the inevitable attraction of a lack of unskilled labor on one side of the border and a lack of employment for unskilled labor on the other is not workable no matter how much of the taxpayers' billions get poured down a rathole of “enhanced” enforcement

Did you forget about the prohibition time, when many illegal activities flourished, including the rise of the mafia? This is exactly what happens when laws are NOT capable of enforcement.  Black market and illicit activities are the result.

Did you know that President Carter gave pardon for those that did not join the war in Vietnam? Many went to Canada, and others flew to Mexico.

You sure know that President Ford gave full pardon to Nixon because of the Watergate scandal.

And according to what it is known, Nixon violated blatantly the law in many issues and on a great scale. This does not mean that therefore, others must violate the law. But what I am saying is that in the history of this great country there are some examples of amnesty or whatever you want to call it.

But you are in uproar claiming this very same rule of law.

Ruthless to the poor, but silent for others. Quick to harm the weak, but smiling to the strongest.

Walls have never worked in history:

WHY

To provide this answer, it is illustrating the first words of Robert Ludlum in The Bourne Supremacy:

"The land and the water are one, and it is the will of the spirit that determines how man will use the land and the water - again without regard for such abstractions as useless freedom or escapable confinement.

The concern is only with empty stomachs, with women's stomachs, children's stomachs. Survival. There is nothing else.

Some examples:

The Chinese wall, it didn’t work,

The Berlin wall: a complete failure, but yet you want to built one along the border of Mexico.

The Maginot Line (a line of concrete fortifications, tank obstacles, machine gun posts and other defenses which France constructed along its borders with Germany). Another failure.

This last term is sometimes used today to describe any comically ineffective protection.

One thing is certain; all have proven his futility and uselessness.

Do not forget what happened with Hitler and Jews in Europe. 

Not so long ago, the biggest dictator on earth came to power driven by anger and hate.

Everything started little by little in Germany. Jews started to be blamed for everything. Just take a look to some of the movies made by Hitler about Jews. In these films, they are depicted as criminals, thieves, a disgrace to Germany, they are filthy, they bring diseases, they are greedy, they should be removed, they should be deported, etc.

How come that most of you go along with the idea that Mexico is a partner in the fight against drug trafficking?

But, how come you can not go along with the idea to work together in an immigration plan?

How come you decide to ignore Mexico completely, when you want to build a wall?

Mexicans come here looking for jobs. They don’t come to USA because they want to die in the desert by thirst or drown in the river. They come here looking for a job.

 Just realize that you are pouring billions of dollars in places located in the other side of the world. To say that those folks hate you is to say the least. A tenth of this investment in Mexico would solve the problem by creating jobs.

 We could have a decent and rational discussion to secure the border. We could work together to stop illicit activities. We could find common solutions to common problems. We could do many things together, similar to Europe with different countries and many more languages involved.

 We could be the first line of defense against international terrorism.

But in this way, by hating us, by denigrating us, and trying to harm us, you are shutting the door to any rationality in this discussion.

 We are not your enemies. Don’t treat us as such.

Immigration Reform Now
A project of the Republican National Hispanic Assembly (RNHA)

http://www.rnha.org/ImmigrationReformNow/FAQ.htm

Plus additional resources from the Republican National Hispanic Assembly (RNHA)

"When the law ignores the law of supply and demand, the law fails."

JUST A THOUGHT

Several decades ago, immigrants from Hispanic origin came to the USA. They didn’t bother to participate in politics. They came to work and nothing else. Why to bother if the country was doing OK. They didn’t speak the language very well and they thought let’s leave politics in the hands of those who are in power. Working and keeping a job was their main goal. Many even didn’t bother to change their immigrant status as residents.

But a couple of years ago, particularly this year, something happened. Because they cannot be recognized or distinguished by appearance, with the so-called illegals, they started to realize that they had to become citizens to obtain a higher level of protection. They realized that they were being demonized. Many of them are coming to vote for the first time.

Some of this population belongs to the group that came with the amnesty offered by President Reagan in 1986-1988. They too started to become citizens. There is no way that anyone can identify an illegal alien just by looking at them. You cannot tell who is an American citizen just by looking. Latino voters are tired of getting treated as something less than real Americans.

They could be legally here; they could have lived in the U.S. for generations. The only marker is skin color. The effect of the immigration debate on many Latino voters has been to make them feel like their Americanness is being questioned, even if they have been here for many generations.

The rampant xenophobia encased in fear of terrorism has made it critical for the legal immigrants, once illegal, to acquire the status that would grant them immunity from narrow legal persecution. However, it is not strange that in this xenophobic wave these people are feeling being threatened and insulted..

In the meantime, the Republicans had their chance for about 6 years to make a statement that the republican party would take care of the American people and they really showed they don't care by their non-actions and clearly directed actions against inmigrants. However, it is not only what Republicans say; it is also what they don’t say. Republicans have been filibustering everything that comes up in the Senate.

It is true that some Democrats such as Jim Webb, Jon Tester and Claire McCaskill vote with the majority of Republicans to kill the Senate immigration compromise, without offering a realistic and achievable alternative that would establish a more humane policy.

But, it is also undeniable that the most vicious, the most wretched, the most offensive, the most revolting, the most ruthless, the most vilifying, the most repulsive attacks have come and are still coming from Republicans.

Just a few examples to illustrate it.

1) Sensenbrenner wanted the criminalization of these people.

2) Newt Gingrich, Former House speaker, who coined Spanish as the Language of the gheto

3) Fred Thompson just slammed Cubans, suggesting that they come to America not in search of freedom, but to bring “suitcase bombs.”

4) Dana Rohrabacher in his speeches is warning “the end of America as we know it”.

5) Tancredo, his motto: "a scourge that threatens the very future of our nation."

6) J.D Hayworth, not reelected, but still instilling hate. No comments.

The list goes on and on.. .

From the beginning, the bill's most forceful opponents were southern Republicans. GOP Sens. David Vitter of Louisiana, Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Jeff Sessions of Alabama led the charge, often backed by Texan John Cornyn.

One thing is certain, the past six years, the Republicans were mum on all issues with immigration reform as just one of them. They controlled the white house and congress. If there is anytime in which a party is able to get things done, it's when they don't have anyone to really interfere.

Immigration was just one of them.

Indeed, the Hispanic vote is hardly a monolithical block. But what the anti inmigrant  rethoric has done is bringing them closer together, unifying and solidifying this block.

Therefore, it seems to me that the most recalcitrant and extreme positions are from Republicans, where no room is for middle ground. This whole episode has branded the Republicans as the anti-inmigrant party. So Republicans have done this at a national level. Pretty transparent move they did, and now the immigrant population, IRISH, PHILLIPINOS and many other immigrant groups, particularly HISPANICS, are aware of this issue.

As mentioned before, the most vicious, the most wretched, the most offensive, the most revolting, the most ruthless, the most vilifying, the most repulsive attacks have come and are still coming from Republicans.

For many of them, the following is an undeniable truth: “illegal immigrant” = equals  “all Hispanics” = “terrorists” = “Muslims” an statement so widely and shameless repeated over and over.

At any rate, this is the beginning of the legal immigrant backlash directed against the Republican Party for their position on the immigration bill.

The heroes of America are generally heroes of reconciliation, not division.

In politics, some acts are so emblematic and potent that they cannot be undone for decades, as when Republican presidential candidate Barry Goldwater voted against the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Goldwater was no racist; his constitutional objections were sincere.

Members of the Republican Party actually voted for the Civil Rights Act in higher percentages than Democrats. But all of this was overwhelmed by the symbolism of the moment.

In his autobiography, Colin Powell says that after the Goldwater vote, he went to his car and affixed a Lyndon Johnson bumper sticker, as did many other African Americans. Now Republicans seem to be repeating history with Hispanic Americans.

Posted: Today at 7:57 a.m.

RESEARCH TRIANGLE PARK, N.C. –

I feel that our immigration laws are just fine the way they are. We just haven't gotten serious about enforcing them. Here is what I propose: We should treat business owners, or employers the same as we do drug dealers. If you own a business and are cought knowingly hiring an "illegal", then your business and all assets get confiscated by the state and sold. Profits go to the Border Patrol.

Enforce this a few times and watch how fast the flow of illegals comes to a halt.

Members of the Republican Party actually voted for the Civil Rights Act in higher percentages than Democrats. But all of this was overwhelmed by the symbolism of the moment.

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