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The Obligatory Huge Sex Scandal Being Spiked By The LAT Thread
Ron Rosenbaum is either being played or is being a dink. If he knows what this is all about, why not tip someone to get it out there?
So I was down in DC this past weekend and happened to run into a well-connected media person, who told me flatly, unequivocally that “everyone knows” The LA Times was sitting on a story, all wrapped up and ready to go about what is a potentially devastating sexual scandal involving a leading Presidential candidate. “Everyone knows” meaning everyone in the DC mainstream media political reporting world. “Sitting on it” because the paper couldn’t decide the complex ethics of whether and when to run it. The way I heard it they’d had it for a while but don’t know what to do. The person who told me )not an LAT person) knows I write and didn’t say “don’t write about this”. If it’s true, I don’t envy the LAT. I respect their hesitation, their dilemma, deciding to run or not to run it raises a lot of difficult journalism ethics questions and they’re likely to be attacked, when it comes out—the story or their suppression of the story—whatever they do.I am on google-chat with everyone I can think of trying to get some info on t his. JackM. has theories as to why this is all bullshit, which hopefully he'll be kind enough to add in a PS. JackM. can't think of anyone whose coverage, as Rosenbaum claims, has reflected a sort of tension between what is known and what can be reported. I can't, myself. I suppose if I can strain a bit I can say, "Hey, maybe they're not treating Giuliani like a front-runner because they know he's about to be sunk," or "Maybe they're not giving Thompson his props as a credible challenger because they know he has a 'colorful and wide-ranging sex-life, as we'll soon find out.' " But that's straining mightily. I really don't know what the hell he could be talking about. Some people I'm talking to say "the Bill Richardson groping thing," but Rosenbaum did say a leading candidate, and Bill Richardson isn't leading anything except the line to the Wendy's fixin's bar. Someone else piped up with "Larry Flynt is set to out a closeted high-ranking Republican Senator' (a rumor that's been around forever), but that's not it. Maybe that's a bonus one. I sort of think it's either a 1) gay thing or a 2) bad behavior long ago during an already ended marriage thing, or else the LAT would run with it. They have to treat the gay thing with kid gloves -- the sub-hed would have to be Not That There's Anything Wrong With That -- and cheating during the break up of a marriage might be lacking relevance, as the LAT's editors seem to be thinking about this story. But if that's what it is -- why is Rosenbaum claiming it's a "major" sex scandal? Another Update [Ace]: Off the record, a source in media, who by his own self-description is no where near the liberal heart of Beltway media chatter or the LAT, says his guess, and just his guess, is that this is about John McCain. This is the candidate about whom most rumor flies have been buzzing the longest and loudest, he thinks. Which would make some sense. McCain is the only Republican the LAT would even think twice about lowering the boom on. He could be described, charitably, as a "leading" Presidential candidate. And the fact that these rumors I'm told of date from the 80s or thereabouts (mostly) would seem to fit the LAT's apparent dilemma of being unsure if the story is relevant or germane -- I mean, twenty years ago. That's pretty far back. Doesn't mean it's true, of course. Just doin' my part to move the water over the buckets of the rumor mill. Update: "Dark Scandal Star:" Kaus:
I’ve been sensing hints that something’s going on, something’s going unspoken in certain insider coverage of the campaign (and by the way this rumor the LA Times is supposedly sitting on is one I never heard in this specific form before. By the way, t’s not the Edwards rumor, it’s something else. And when my source said “everyone in Washington”, knows about it he means everyone in the elite Mainstream media, not just the LA Times, but everyone regularly writing about the Presdidential campaign knows about it and doesn’t know what to do with it. And I must admit it really is was juicy if true. But I don’t know if it’s true and I can’t decide if I think it’s relevant. But the fact that “everyone” in the elite media knew about it and was keeping silent about it, is, itself, news. But you can’t report the “news” without reporting the thing itself. Troubling!
Do you sense there is some large mass of dark matter, an unseen Scandal Star, the gravitational pull of which is warping the coverage of what seems, on the surface, a pretty dull presidential race? I do.He's referring to Ron Rosenbaum's bit, of course. I'm talking with someone right now who's trying to connect this all to Hillary -- the "Dark Scandal Star," he suggests, is visible by the media attempting to keep Edwards and Obama viable presidential candidates, still in the hunt -- though the latest poll numbers say they're not even close. Why fight to keep Obama and Edwards in it? Well if they know that Hillary could be torpedoed by, say, old affairs coming to light, well, they're going to need those back-ups, right? UPDATE [Jack M.]: I'll throw in my thoughts in the extended entry since Ace asked me to chime in. UPDATE2 [Dave in Texas]: Docweasel provides helpful graphical depiction of a Decider agonizing over his moral dilemma.
Here is the deal.
When "everyone in DC" knows something, in the middle of a political campaign season, with about a hundred different campaigns on both sides, it comes out. Sooner, rather than later. There are too many conflicting motives, egos, and ambitions to keep the thing bottled up. Now, I would like to believe that there is some HUGE potentially campaign ending scandal that the LA Times is spiking to save some frontrunning Democrat's ass. (I don't want to believe that the GOP has a scandal brewing, but I admit the possibility exists.) But, given what Rosenbaum has written, I think it more likely that he is being played by someone with a dirtier motive. In DC media circles, the phrase "everybody knows about it" is often code. Political Operatives with sketchy info try to get a credulous reporter to disseminate their dirt by enhancing it's credibility with those 4 little words. Not only do the words obstensibly add credibility, but they also get the competitive juices flowing. Everyone wants to be first to break the STORY OF THE CENTURY! And, in a post Drudge/Lewinsky-world, there are careers to be made by breaking a juicy sex story. Remember, Drudge's initial story was about Newsweek spiking Isikoff's story. And fewer people in DC knew about that then supposedly know about this story. (If I remember correctly, Isikoff leaked the info to Drudge out of frustration.) If "everyone" in "mainstream DC media circles" knew the story, don't you think some ambitious reporter would seize the opportunity to cash in? I do. Why let the next Matt Drudge cash in on the fame that rightfully should go to the guy who actually dug up the story? Rosenbaum is a reputable guy. A negative story broken by him would carry credibilty. Hence, he's a perfect target of opportunity for a guy seeking to give a "scandal" legitimacy. Other factors come into play as well. Suppose you are the DC beat reporter stuck on the Dennis Kucinich beat. What a freakin' craptacular job that would be. So how do you get out of it? You run with the story and get yourself assigned to the better more prestigious beat. And the LA Times would have to be concerned that their exclusive story could get scooped up by someone who might not frame it as they would. Suppose a Washington Times political writer gets sloshed regularly with a Washington Post political writer. You don't think they've talked about this purported rumor that "everyone" knows about? Why would they stay silent? It would only be a matter of tracking some of the sourcing back, which might not be all that difficult if the rumor has any sort of details at all. At some point, these "everybody knows about it" stories have to be viewed like conspiracy theories. When "everybody" is supposedly in on a "code of silence", then the odds increase that nobody is really in on anything. But I've been proven wrong before. If the L.A. Times breaks a story about a three way between Hillary, Reno and Helen Thomas, I'll admit to being way off base. Right after I get done puking.Comments
Posted by: Hillary! at October 30, 2007 10:58 PM (BWvjd)
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If this is true, the fact that they're hesitatingfor even an instantconfirms that it absolutely has to be a Democrat.
Qwinn
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at October 30, 2007 10:59 PM (/FDfc)
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I wonder what party he (or she) could from? I really wonder.
Posted by: Rip at October 30, 2007 10:59 PM (q2HEf)
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Maybe it's weirder than that. Maybe it's a gay republican. Not that the press doesn't usually jump all over those.
However.
People talk about the first black president or the first woman president. Do you know how much confusion might occur if they knew they were getting the first gay president . . . and he was a republican?
However.
People talk about the first black president or the first woman president. Do you know how much confusion might occur if they knew they were getting the first gay president . . . and he was a republican?
Posted by: Hal at October 30, 2007 11:04 PM (RA+Tt)
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Dead girl or live boy?
Posted by: Drew at October 30, 2007 11:09 PM (hlYel)
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Has to be a Democrat. How many times has the MSM published outrageous hit pieces on Republicans based only on a rumour? Too many to count. The ethics excuse never bothered them before when they targeted Republicans. That is why I strongly suspect that this story is either about a Democrat, or it's a red herring designed to draw attention away from something else, I just don't know what.
Posted by: magnetism87 at October 30, 2007 11:14 PM (KNq4f)
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Dead girl or live boy?
Do donkeys count?
Do donkeys count?
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 30, 2007 11:15 PM (PkR83)
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magnetism87,
You are right. It's definitely a Democrat. Remember the LA Times printed any and everything they could about Ahnold when he was running the recall election. They would have no qualms running it if it were a Democrat.
You are right. It's definitely a Democrat. Remember the LA Times printed any and everything they could about Ahnold when he was running the recall election. They would have no qualms running it if it were a Democrat.
Posted by: Drew at October 30, 2007 11:18 PM (hlYel)
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Glads someone's on top of this. Saw that insty link and hoped that the internet gears were getting in motion.
Posted by: Ray Midge at October 30, 2007 11:19 PM (bKSJC)
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Barak squeals like a goat!
Posted by: Mohammed Jihad Shahid Mohammed at October 30, 2007 11:22 PM (sOtz/)
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He's bored?
He's worried that they will sit on it until after the primaries and then nuke one of the two nominees, which would create total chaos?
He's worried that they will sit on it until after the primaries and then nuke one of the two nominees, which would create total chaos?
Posted by: funky chicken at October 30, 2007 11:23 PM (I+jPP)
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I may have missed a few news cycles. Did anyone shoot down the Edwards rumor in a way that makes think it's going to stay shot down?
Posted by: Prufrock at October 30, 2007 11:24 PM (iQTyu)
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Drew, I think you mean weren't* a democrat.
I agree that it's a democrat. They would run anything to hit a
republican (unless they're waiting a sink a nominee?). Maybe that John Edwards having an affair
rumor is more compelling than the Drive-By Media wants to let on.
Maybe it's especially touchy seeing has how John Edwards' wife (D) has
cancer and they're debating how they would deal with talking to her
I agree that it's a democrat. They would run anything to hit a
republican (unless they're waiting a sink a nominee?). Maybe that John Edwards having an affair
rumor is more compelling than the Drive-By Media wants to let on.
Maybe it's especially touchy seeing has how John Edwards' wife (D) has
cancer and they're debating how they would deal with talking to her
Posted by: Z Ryan at October 30, 2007 11:26 PM (PDeVA)
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Oh gawd, I just have to know. It MUST be a Hillary-lesbo thing.
Posted by: Redhead Infidel at October 30, 2007 11:27 PM (6e8XR)
Posted by: John McCain at October 30, 2007 11:28 PM (jYT9+)
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Hillary was caught in the same airport restroom as Larry Craig.
She was wearing a huge strap-on.
She was wearing a huge strap-on.
Posted by: Uncle Jefe at October 30, 2007 11:29 PM (p8IOE)
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My guess? They're about to finally crack and admit JFK had a wandereing eye.
Posted by: Guy Dupree at October 30, 2007 11:30 PM (bKSJC)
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<a href="http://www.jibjab.com/originals/good_to_be_in_dc">Gee, I wonder what it could be...</a>
Posted by: sulla at October 30, 2007 11:32 PM (Y4/VY)
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a three way between Hillary, Reno and Helen Thomas
Shit Jack, just throw Madeline Albright in there and you'd really be channeling Tushar.
Shit Jack, just throw Madeline Albright in there and you'd really be channeling Tushar.
Posted by: Drew at October 30, 2007 11:33 PM (hlYel)
Posted by: sulla at October 30, 2007 11:33 PM (Y4/VY)
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Drew, I think you mean weren't* a democrat.
Why yes, yes I did. Sort makes all the difference in teh world.
Thanks Z Ryan for pointing that out.
Why yes, yes I did. Sort makes all the difference in teh world.
Thanks Z Ryan for pointing that out.
Posted by: Drew at October 30, 2007 11:34 PM (hlYel)
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It'sa Dem. Not a bit ofhesitation otherwise (except that this obviouspanty-twisting spin almost makes me wonder if this is a setup tohelp the MSM pretend they "agonized" over a Republican sex scandal. As if!)
Oh yes, it's a real ethical conundrum,you betcha, but they'll have it finally figured out in about... oh, afew weeksmore than a year from now, should be about right. It's all about the public's right to know, of course...and we in the MSM know best when it's the right time for that. Yep.
Oh yes, it's a real ethical conundrum,you betcha, but they'll have it finally figured out in about... oh, afew weeksmore than a year from now, should be about right. It's all about the public's right to know, of course...and we in the MSM know best when it's the right time for that. Yep.
Posted by: sherlock at October 30, 2007 11:35 PM (ojW85)
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Drew, thanks. Now I need a Tums so I can sleep. Ewwwww
The Hillary! lesbian rumors have been around the secret service world for a while now, so that wouldn't qualify as new, would it?
The Hillary! lesbian rumors have been around the secret service world for a while now, so that wouldn't qualify as new, would it?
Posted by: funky chicken at October 30, 2007 11:36 PM (I+jPP)
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"Major sex scandal" = Bob Dole + Blue Pill = ?
Posted by: Nordbuster at October 30, 2007 11:37 PM (jYT9+)
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"It MUST be a Hillary-lesbo thing."
This would turn people off from lesbianism for a generation... or more.
This would turn people off from lesbianism for a generation... or more.
Posted by: someone at October 30, 2007 11:38 PM (3uFRW)
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if we're betting, my money's on Billy Jeff. History does repeat itself.
Posted by: mark c at October 30, 2007 11:39 PM (7SrZ1)
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Z Ryan:
Oooh, I think you're right, confirmation onthe previous rumors about the Edwards affair would fit the billacross pretty much all fronts. That's my bet, at least for the moment.
Qwinn
Oooh, I think you're right, confirmation onthe previous rumors about the Edwards affair would fit the billacross pretty much all fronts. That's my bet, at least for the moment.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at October 30, 2007 11:39 PM (/FDfc)
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Drew, thanks. Now I need a Tums so I can sleep. Ewwwww
Just doing my bit to pick up the slack in disgusting sexual images since Tushar had the anchor babies bundles of joy.
Just doing my bit to pick up the slack in disgusting sexual images since Tushar had the anchor babies bundles of joy.
Posted by: Drew at October 30, 2007 11:42 PM (hlYel)
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Read the article. The guy says explicitly it's not the Edwards thing.
Posted by: Guy Dupree at October 30, 2007 11:43 PM (bKSJC)
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At some point, I would think, that if the Hillary lesbo thing has any truth to it some woman has got to come out with stories about it.
Posted by: mbruce at October 30, 2007 11:43 PM (LLCm9)
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"Read the article. The guy says explicitly it's not the Edwards thing."
Doh. Missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Qwinn
Doh. Missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.
Qwinn
Posted by: Qwinn at October 30, 2007 11:45 PM (/FDfc)
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sherlock, they might sit on something big about Rudy since he's the frontrunner...only until after he secures the GOP nomination, of course.
If I were a reporter I'd be terribly afraid of the new Mrs. Giuliani though. Even Rudy seems to think she's more formidable than the mob.
If I were a reporter I'd be terribly afraid of the new Mrs. Giuliani though. Even Rudy seems to think she's more formidable than the mob.
Posted by: funky chicken at October 30, 2007 11:45 PM (I+jPP)
Posted by: PJ at October 30, 2007 11:48 PM (8dfqL)
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Hillary seems like she brings as much sexualchemistry to the table as C3PO.She mightwelcome a sexual scandal to humanize her a little bit.
Posted by: mark c at October 30, 2007 11:50 PM (7SrZ1)
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couldn’t decide the complex ethics of whether and when to run it.
Then Occam's Razor says its obviously a democrat. A republican would have made the choice a no-brainer.
Then Occam's Razor says its obviously a democrat. A republican would have made the choice a no-brainer.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 30, 2007 11:52 PM (491+P)
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What if it was Bill Clinton? Again. He's not up for re-election and I freaking doubt he's been all that faithful these last, um, 7 years. There you go...reason for hesitation, a spouse of a nominee cheating, and an event which returns a probability of 1 on my magic eight ball.
The media wouldn't hesitate on Romney, I figure both Thompson and Guilliani have 'wide-ranging' sex lives, and anything Thompson would have done would probably make me WANT to vote for him. Guilliani, eh, who cares. He's still my guy unless they squeeze him into a 12-year oldOlsen twin sandwich, which again they would not have hesitated with.
On the dem side, you have Barack, and I just don't see him shutting up for more than a minute about HOPEfor a slice of hair pie--is this a family blog? I forget--and you have Edwards who pretends to be a candidate.
It's either Guiliani, Thompson, Barack or Clinton. My bet is on Clinton, with anhold on the Guiliani option.
The media wouldn't hesitate on Romney, I figure both Thompson and Guilliani have 'wide-ranging' sex lives, and anything Thompson would have done would probably make me WANT to vote for him. Guilliani, eh, who cares. He's still my guy unless they squeeze him into a 12-year oldOlsen twin sandwich, which again they would not have hesitated with.
On the dem side, you have Barack, and I just don't see him shutting up for more than a minute about HOPEfor a slice of hair pie--is this a family blog? I forget--and you have Edwards who pretends to be a candidate.
It's either Guiliani, Thompson, Barack or Clinton. My bet is on Clinton, with anhold on the Guiliani option.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 30, 2007 11:54 PM (PkR83)
Posted by: reliapundit at October 30, 2007 11:55 PM (mNonx)
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McCain? From 20 years ago? I wonder how many are really gonna give a damn if that's it.
Posted by: Guy Dupree at October 30, 2007 11:57 PM (bKSJC)
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McCain has been done for months. I would highly doubt it's about him. I think it's safe to say that there are 4-5 frontrunners: Hillary, Obama, Thompson, Giuliani, and possibly Romney.
By process of elimination, I would surmise it's Obama. Hillary has enough enemies on the left side of the political spectrum that I think this story would've leaked by now. Giuliani and Thompson have been dragged through dirt based on far less than rumours and speculations, no way would the MSM hold off now. If it was Romney, they'd spin it as him being devoutly Christian, in which case the infidelity exposes him as a hypocrite, and again there is no way the MSM holds off on that.
That leaves Obama.
By process of elimination, I would surmise it's Obama. Hillary has enough enemies on the left side of the political spectrum that I think this story would've leaked by now. Giuliani and Thompson have been dragged through dirt based on far less than rumours and speculations, no way would the MSM hold off now. If it was Romney, they'd spin it as him being devoutly Christian, in which case the infidelity exposes him as a hypocrite, and again there is no way the MSM holds off on that.
That leaves Obama.
Posted by: magnetism87 at October 31, 2007 12:07 AM (KNq4f)
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Media would ONLY hold back on a Dem. A "leading" candidate? That means Hillary or Obama. There could be something on Obama, but Kaus has mentioned a number of times how Clenis has been living at Ron Burkle's "swinging bachelor pad" and has reportedly regular companionship at events with some un-named woman.
Posted by: Jim Rockford at October 31, 2007 12:11 AM (4878o)
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McCain? He wrote that he brought a stripper who cleaned her fingernails with a switchblade to a party thrown by respectable married fellow Navy pilots in his book.The whole book isactually a pretty good read, but his taste for loose women is something he gladly admitted.....and it's a really funny passage. Maybe it's something I can appreciate as an officer's wife who would get a total kick out of the appalled prig women and the gossip that would ensue.
Posted by: funky chicken at October 31, 2007 12:11 AM (I+jPP)
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Posted by: funky chicken at October 31, 2007 12:11 AM (I+jPP)
I agree. McCain's been very (and hilariously) open with his past.
It's got to be Obama.
Posted by: funky chicken at October 31, 2007 12:11 AM (I+jPP)
I agree. McCain's been very (and hilariously) open with his past.
It's got to be Obama.
Posted by: Slublog at October 31, 2007 12:12 AM (S4CM5)
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Hillary is really a dude. You heard it here first.
Posted by: AndrewsDad at October 31, 2007 12:13 AM (ZqWZU)
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I suppose they could be hesitant if they weren't entirely confident in their sources too...which would open up the possibility of a rehash of the tired "Fred is gay" schtick some lefty blogs were trying to sell a while ago.
It wouldn't be too hard to pay some cranked out skinhead a few grand to claim Fred sucked his dick 15 years ago.
It wouldn't be too hard to pay some cranked out skinhead a few grand to claim Fred sucked his dick 15 years ago.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 31, 2007 12:15 AM (491+P)
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My guess is it is a Clinton, one or the other. The agonizing is to give their (Clinton's) spin team time to get the right frame for the story, then they will break it themselves. They have done that before, except for the one Drudge broke, but now supposedly he is best bud's with Hillary. Or maybe they need time to get to the witnesses and convince them it would be in their best interests to change their story. Or both.
Posted by: Geoffb at October 31, 2007 12:17 AM (YQJc4)
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"And when my source said “everyone in Washington”, knows about it he
means everyone in the elite Mainstream media, not just the LA Times,
but everyone regularly writing about the Presdidential campaign knows
about it and doesn’t know what to do with it."
If it's a Dem, why wouldn't the conservative members of the "elite Mainstream media" write about it?
There are conservative reporters in D.C.
means everyone in the elite Mainstream media, not just the LA Times,
but everyone regularly writing about the Presdidential campaign knows
about it and doesn’t know what to do with it."
If it's a Dem, why wouldn't the conservative members of the "elite Mainstream media" write about it?
There are conservative reporters in D.C.
Posted by: Tom at October 31, 2007 12:20 AM (1kwK7)
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I suppose they could be hesitant if they weren't entirely confident in their sources too...
LOL. Um, yeah, wouldn't want to risk their credibility or nothing. Maybe Green Helmet Guy was bagging the Raining-Unfired-Bullets Crone, and somehow it all got garbled in the transmission.
LOL. Um, yeah, wouldn't want to risk their credibility or nothing. Maybe Green Helmet Guy was bagging the Raining-Unfired-Bullets Crone, and somehow it all got garbled in the transmission.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 12:20 AM (PkR83)
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I have a hard time believing its about a Republican because most MSM journalists would struggle for about 2 minutes before releasing damaging information about Republicans.
I'm going for the John Edwards cheating on his wife: it matches all the criteria: its old news, it would be a devastating story to a dying woman, it protects a far left liberal loved by the nutroots to spike the story, its not completely relevant to the campaign.
Is there a betting pool on this yet?
I'll go 10 bucks on Edwards banging the docu-maker
I'm going for the John Edwards cheating on his wife: it matches all the criteria: its old news, it would be a devastating story to a dying woman, it protects a far left liberal loved by the nutroots to spike the story, its not completely relevant to the campaign.
Is there a betting pool on this yet?
I'll go 10 bucks on Edwards banging the docu-maker
Posted by: docweasel at October 31, 2007 12:22 AM (ACIZZ)
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There are conservative reporters in D.C.
Good point, but not many conservative editors, and that's kind of more important.
Good point, but not many conservative editors, and that's kind of more important.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 12:22 AM (PkR83)
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I'd say it's Hillary...
If it was a Republican, this story would already be on the nightly news.
If it was Obama, they'd have pushed it already after his last little faux pas with the "reformed gay" singer campaigning for him. That would go ahead and mercy-kill his campaign, allowing someone else the opportunity and the possible money to upset Hillary.
Hillary, while she has a lot of enemies, is still considered to be the Dems' best shot at a winner in 2008. They wouldn't spike her candidacy unless they knew they had someone who could carry the load in her absence... like a fat bearded tree-hugger with a Nobel prize.
That's why I figure it's about her.
If it was a Republican, this story would already be on the nightly news.
If it was Obama, they'd have pushed it already after his last little faux pas with the "reformed gay" singer campaigning for him. That would go ahead and mercy-kill his campaign, allowing someone else the opportunity and the possible money to upset Hillary.
Hillary, while she has a lot of enemies, is still considered to be the Dems' best shot at a winner in 2008. They wouldn't spike her candidacy unless they knew they had someone who could carry the load in her absence... like a fat bearded tree-hugger with a Nobel prize.
That's why I figure it's about her.
Posted by: BrandonInBatonRouge at October 31, 2007 12:26 AM (Bjha0)
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Unless Bill started sucking dick, there's nothing they could say about him that would matter or be shocking unless it involved necrophilia.
I seriously doubt the LAT would risk taking the only (possibly) electable democrat of the bunch out of the race. I don't think they're that suicidal. That leaves Obama and Silky (who doesn't matter anyway, so they wouldn't bother).
Obama is playing well in CA, so unless its the Fred/gay rehash, that pretty much means Obama. Obama getting some on the side wouldn't be shocking and wouldn't be all that damaging unless he was picking up syphilitic crack whores rather than classy call girls or someone's secretary. Obama sucking dick would be a whole different thing.
I seriously doubt the LAT would risk taking the only (possibly) electable democrat of the bunch out of the race. I don't think they're that suicidal. That leaves Obama and Silky (who doesn't matter anyway, so they wouldn't bother).
Obama is playing well in CA, so unless its the Fred/gay rehash, that pretty much means Obama. Obama getting some on the side wouldn't be shocking and wouldn't be all that damaging unless he was picking up syphilitic crack whores rather than classy call girls or someone's secretary. Obama sucking dick would be a whole different thing.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 31, 2007 12:27 AM (491+P)
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is this a family blog?
Why yes, yes, it is. All that stuff about Thai tranny whores and hobo killing is just code for puppies and bunnies.
I knew that stuff about Obama and the parrot would come out.
Why yes, yes, it is. All that stuff about Thai tranny whores and hobo killing is just code for puppies and bunnies.
I knew that stuff about Obama and the parrot would come out.
Posted by: alexthechick at October 31, 2007 12:28 AM (/pJ5f)
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 31, 2007 12:29 AM (491+P)
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Which would make some sense. McCain is the only Republican the LAT would even think twice about lowering the boom on. He could be described, charitably, as a "leading" Presidential candidate.And the fact that these rumors I'm told of date from the 80s or thereabouts (mostly) would seem to fit the LAT's apparent dilemma of being unsure if the story is relevant or germane -- I mean, twenty years ago. That's pretty far back.
I thought this was already common knowledge. In fact, I thought he had apologized for it.
If Wonkette hasn't mentioned it (amazingly enough I'm pretty sure counts as elite Washington media under the current definition and she'd say it if she even vaguely thought she heard somebody whisper a rumor about sex a mile away), it can't be about a Republican . . . unless Fred Thompson actually is gay.
I thought this was already common knowledge. In fact, I thought he had apologized for it.
If Wonkette hasn't mentioned it (amazingly enough I'm pretty sure counts as elite Washington media under the current definition and she'd say it if she even vaguely thought she heard somebody whisper a rumor about sex a mile away), it can't be about a Republican . . . unless Fred Thompson actually is gay.
Posted by: AD at October 31, 2007 12:30 AM (B8Zms)
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From what I heard in tonight's debate, the dems are gonna kick George Bush's ass in the next election.
Posted by: mark c at October 31, 2007 12:33 AM (7SrZ1)
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They don't call me MEATHEAD for nothing.
Posted by: Rob Reiner at October 31, 2007 12:33 AM (/c1gr)
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It's Bill and a hobo tranny. But it's ok, cause they are in love.
But it's a sad story, somewhat reminiscent of Algore's own Love Story, at least until Ace puts a match to the hobo, which makes Hill happy again.
But it's a sad story, somewhat reminiscent of Algore's own Love Story, at least until Ace puts a match to the hobo, which makes Hill happy again.
Posted by: mephitis at October 31, 2007 12:35 AM (X5b4e)
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All that stuff about Thai tranny whores and hobo killing is just code for puppies and bunnies.
Well, wake me up when the fluffy bunnies and happy singing flutterbies start locking and loading for a happy valurite-fuelled manhunt. I mean it, when the first baby rabbit fills his death Hummer with the blood of blended puppies, I expect a phone call.
This other crap is gay. Unless you fuckers have video of Fred Thompson with a red ball in his mouth, getting pounded by Hillary Clinton with a 24 inch double-headed BLACK strap-on, while John Edwards looks disapprovingly at all of his cellulite spill out of his garters, and Obama jerks his COCK OF HOPE in the corner with McCain onto Mitt Romney as Ron Paul screams in the background that bukakke is nowhere found in the constitution, then screw this.
Well, wake me up when the fluffy bunnies and happy singing flutterbies start locking and loading for a happy valurite-fuelled manhunt. I mean it, when the first baby rabbit fills his death Hummer with the blood of blended puppies, I expect a phone call.
This other crap is gay. Unless you fuckers have video of Fred Thompson with a red ball in his mouth, getting pounded by Hillary Clinton with a 24 inch double-headed BLACK strap-on, while John Edwards looks disapprovingly at all of his cellulite spill out of his garters, and Obama jerks his COCK OF HOPE in the corner with McCain onto Mitt Romney as Ron Paul screams in the background that bukakke is nowhere found in the constitution, then screw this.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 12:40 AM (PkR83)
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No confirmation yet but to judge from my email I'm predicting a story about Ron Paul and CHEAP Vi@gr@!!!!
Posted by: VRWC Agent at October 31, 2007 12:46 AM (Z3AmO)
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There are conservative reporters in D.C.
Good point, but not many conservative editors, and that's kind of more important.
True, but with blogs and leakers it's hard to believe it doesn't surface whether it be Dem or Republican.
There are conservative reporters in D.C.
Good point, but not many conservative editors, and that's kind of more important.
True, but with blogs and leakers it's hard to believe it doesn't surface whether it be Dem or Republican.
Posted by: Tom at October 31, 2007 12:50 AM (1kwK7)
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A Dark Scandal Star? Oh, goodie, I LOVE the Grateful Dead!
Posted by: CraigC at October 31, 2007 01:04 AM (/dqEv)
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Oh, it's OsamaObama all right.
The big O-Obama with Clinton.
Bill Clinton.
hence the LAT hesitation step.
outing a Clinton is no walk in the park, yanno?
The big O-Obama with Clinton.
Bill Clinton.
hence the LAT hesitation step.
outing a Clinton is no walk in the park, yanno?
Posted by: Rumors Abound at October 31, 2007 01:05 AM (l1oyw)
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Hey, Verc, where ya been?
Posted by: CraigC at October 31, 2007 01:05 AM (/dqEv)
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Seems hard to believe it would be Hillary. She just seems way to calculating to put things in jeapordy over a piece of ass. Zombie's got some good pics of Hillary if you haven't seen them yet. This one is my favorite.
Posted by: forged rite at October 31, 2007 01:05 AM (yzSuL)
Posted by: Vince Foster at October 31, 2007 01:12 AM (Rt2uy)
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If we're guessing, I'd say Obama.
The elite media couldn't keep a lid on a story about a Republican. And with Hillary, it wouldn't be a dilemma. They simply wouldn't run it, hence no dilemma. Would a sex thing involving Bill even qualify as a scandal?
From context it sounds like a Washington-based rumor, which tends to eliminate Romney, Huckabee, and probably Giuliani and Edwards.
Obama's candidacy came more or less out of nowhere. Even he wassurprised.Beforehand, he would not have felt the need for secrecy. Only the wife would have to be fooled. But if he was indiscreet, Hillary's private detectives have the details and her operatives know whichreporters to feed.
If it's Obama, that would add another level of acute editorial angst.Heis, after all,black.Reinforcing stereotypes, et cetera. And if it's Obama, and the female isn't black,the scandal could ruin the brightestrising star in the media's favorite Party.
The elite media couldn't keep a lid on a story about a Republican. And with Hillary, it wouldn't be a dilemma. They simply wouldn't run it, hence no dilemma. Would a sex thing involving Bill even qualify as a scandal?
From context it sounds like a Washington-based rumor, which tends to eliminate Romney, Huckabee, and probably Giuliani and Edwards.
Obama's candidacy came more or less out of nowhere. Even he wassurprised.Beforehand, he would not have felt the need for secrecy. Only the wife would have to be fooled. But if he was indiscreet, Hillary's private detectives have the details and her operatives know whichreporters to feed.
If it's Obama, that would add another level of acute editorial angst.Heis, after all,black.Reinforcing stereotypes, et cetera. And if it's Obama, and the female isn't black,the scandal could ruin the brightestrising star in the media's favorite Party.
Posted by: lyle at October 31, 2007 01:16 AM (0LZe8)
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uh oh
Posted by: Rumors Abound at October 31, 2007 01:23 AM (l1oyw)
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eh, Craig, been laying low. Finishing a book, moving state, got the girl problems--restraining orders, hepatitis, general sluttishness, you know, the usual. One day, I'm gonna look back and think, you know, 2008 was the year it all made sense. And maybe I'll shoulder my rifle and climb off that belltower. Or maybe not.
Posted by: Vercingetorix at October 31, 2007 01:32 AM (PkR83)
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Seems to me that the washington media would be eager to release information on a democrat and withhold information on a republican, for the time being. If one of the dems has a scandle the liberal media would want to get it out in the open as quickly possible so that it wouldnt sink the nominie when it is to late to switch to another candidate. The reverse would be true for a republican. Back in the 80's the republicans had the dirt on Gary Heart and sat on it hoping to sink him in the general election. It was the democrats that had to release the information on his affair during the primaries in order to prevent him from getting the nomination.
Posted by: jones at October 31, 2007 01:45 AM (ZdNgi)
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IfI had to place a betI would wager that almost all of the leading candidates have at one time or another cheated on their respective spouces. Only huckabee, hunter and tancredo strike me as the loyal type. Im not saying that i have any special knowledge about this just the vibe i get from the group collectively.
Posted by: jones at October 31, 2007 01:50 AM (ZdNgi)
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"IfI had to place a betI would wager that almost all of the leading
candidates have at one time or another cheated on their respective
spouces."
And this is based on a "vibe?"
candidates have at one time or another cheated on their respective
spouces."
And this is based on a "vibe?"
Posted by: Tom at October 31, 2007 01:57 AM (1kwK7)
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Why fight to keep Obama and Edwards in it? Well if they know that Hillary could be torpedoed by, say, old affairs coming to light, well, they're going to need those back-ups, right?
I assume we are referring to Bill's torpedo? Unless he jammed it into an illegal immigrant named Juan while crossing the border in a jeep with no emmissions control and then wiped up the mess with the pages of a Koran, there's no there there.
I assume we are referring to Bill's torpedo? Unless he jammed it into an illegal immigrant named Juan while crossing the border in a jeep with no emmissions control and then wiped up the mess with the pages of a Koran, there's no there there.
Posted by: holdfast at October 31, 2007 02:05 AM (eK7/0)
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I also think its a GOP candidate...the media is "conflicted" now but will finally decide to release the story in late October 2008.
Posted by: Aaron at October 31, 2007 03:10 AM (dS8Tf)
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or Obama.
Posted by: Aaron at October 31, 2007 03:17 AM (dS8Tf)
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If it's elite DC media, then they "know" what they "know" based on socializing. Given that elite DC media socializes with Republicans as much as Larry Craig is down at Hooters, that means a Democrat. Given that it's elite DC media that leaves:
Hillary.
Obama the Messiah is too young and new to DC to do much socializing. Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, etc. are too weird and boring for DC media mavens, and more importantly they can't increase their social stature and social power which is the game in DC media circles. Edwards is too outsiderish and reportedly the story is not about his boning the actress while his wife dies of cancer (stay Classy, John!).
That also matches the "Dark Star" theory of the DC elite media warping the coverage to pretend that Edwards or Obama are viable candidates.
Everyone in DC supposedly knew that Larry Craig was a restroom enthusiast, down to the wide stance. He was apparently quite open about it (arrogantly). If Hillary is doing the Ellen thing with her own nutty Celestia, well that's a huge issue for liberal DC media. They can't out her because the gay groups AND women's groups would call for their heads (it's a career killer). They'd also torpedo their leading candidate. But that sort of thing is also hard to keep under wraps when the younger woman wants a payday. I.E. sell her story to the tabloid's "I was Hillary's teen-age lesbian love-slave!!!" for about 2 billion dollars.
Alternate theory: the Clenis is shtupping someone with questionable (i.e. mob or other shady) ties like his hero Jack Kennedy. There's a threat of a Clenis sex tape. I submit America does NOT want that, it's justified to go nuclear to prevent the naked Clenis from showing up on the inner tubes. It could warp space and time itself! And not in a good way.
Hillary.
Obama the Messiah is too young and new to DC to do much socializing. Dodd, Biden, Kucinich, etc. are too weird and boring for DC media mavens, and more importantly they can't increase their social stature and social power which is the game in DC media circles. Edwards is too outsiderish and reportedly the story is not about his boning the actress while his wife dies of cancer (stay Classy, John!).
That also matches the "Dark Star" theory of the DC elite media warping the coverage to pretend that Edwards or Obama are viable candidates.
Everyone in DC supposedly knew that Larry Craig was a restroom enthusiast, down to the wide stance. He was apparently quite open about it (arrogantly). If Hillary is doing the Ellen thing with her own nutty Celestia, well that's a huge issue for liberal DC media. They can't out her because the gay groups AND women's groups would call for their heads (it's a career killer). They'd also torpedo their leading candidate. But that sort of thing is also hard to keep under wraps when the younger woman wants a payday. I.E. sell her story to the tabloid's "I was Hillary's teen-age lesbian love-slave!!!" for about 2 billion dollars.
Alternate theory: the Clenis is shtupping someone with questionable (i.e. mob or other shady) ties like his hero Jack Kennedy. There's a threat of a Clenis sex tape. I submit America does NOT want that, it's justified to go nuclear to prevent the naked Clenis from showing up on the inner tubes. It could warp space and time itself! And not in a good way.
Posted by: Jim Rockford at October 31, 2007 03:47 AM (4878o)
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I agree with Andrew's Dad on this one. Gotta be Hillary! the He/She story. Chicks with Dicks doesn't sell well in Iowa.
Posted by: Sharkman at October 31, 2007 03:53 AM (gzbD0)
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I'm thinking Obamarama.
Alot of LAT readers are fans and big donors, as though he were the anti-Hillary. It would be hard for them to lose all that money and good karma so soon.
Unless....this is Hilzilla oppo-research to destroy O'bama...and ''the powers that be'' fear that he'll fight back ...and start an all-out shootin' war that neither BO nor dirty Hilly can survive.
That ,,,,would be soooooo......stirring.
If those 2 handsome devils, Ace and Jack M , can nail this down, there's money in it for Ace. Enough to buy some candy corns and baby ruths on the post-Halloween discount rack.
Alot of LAT readers are fans and big donors, as though he were the anti-Hillary. It would be hard for them to lose all that money and good karma so soon.
Unless....this is Hilzilla oppo-research to destroy O'bama...and ''the powers that be'' fear that he'll fight back ...and start an all-out shootin' war that neither BO nor dirty Hilly can survive.
That ,,,,would be soooooo......stirring.
If those 2 handsome devils, Ace and Jack M , can nail this down, there's money in it for Ace. Enough to buy some candy corns and baby ruths on the post-Halloween discount rack.
Posted by: white slaver at October 31, 2007 04:34 AM (3tAp/)
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I don't think it's Hillary.
She has been running for 16 years and even longer. She's notreckless like her husband. He can't learn from his mistakes, but she can.
If the elite beltway media knows the story, it is probably via the social network, as Rockford notes. But that doesn't mean it's something they've witnessed. Clinton croniesinhabit the same social circles as the media, and they know how to spreaddamaging rumors about political rivals without blowback.
On the other hand, if these rumors date back to the 80's, that pretty much makes it McCain or Thompson - and irrelevant. (Unless it's gay stuff, which is evergreen.)
She has been running for 16 years and even longer. She's notreckless like her husband. He can't learn from his mistakes, but she can.
If the elite beltway media knows the story, it is probably via the social network, as Rockford notes. But that doesn't mean it's something they've witnessed. Clinton croniesinhabit the same social circles as the media, and they know how to spreaddamaging rumors about political rivals without blowback.
On the other hand, if these rumors date back to the 80's, that pretty much makes it McCain or Thompson - and irrelevant. (Unless it's gay stuff, which is evergreen.)
Posted by: lyle at October 31, 2007 04:47 AM (0LZe8)
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"A Dark Scandal Star?"
Would he use the word Dark for Obama?
But Obama is a political "star", and a "dark horse" candidate....is that Kaus being cute?
Would he use the word Dark for Obama?
But Obama is a political "star", and a "dark horse" candidate....is that Kaus being cute?
Posted by: Aaron at October 31, 2007 05:28 AM (dS8Tf)
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Rosenbaumcalls it'potentially devastating' and 'juicy if true'. And if Ace is right, theevents are supposedly 20 years or so in the past. That doesn't sound like conventional infidelity.
Assuming the stories originated with media types instead of political types, it's worth noting that teams of reporters have recently been combingthrough Hillary's background for pre-election biographies.
Except for David Brock's strangely reticentHillary book in the mid-80's, her private life has largely remained... um, virgin territory. But there have always been rumors. Did somebody finally ask the right questions?
Assuming the stories originated with media types instead of political types, it's worth noting that teams of reporters have recently been combingthrough Hillary's background for pre-election biographies.
Except for David Brock's strangely reticentHillary book in the mid-80's, her private life has largely remained... um, virgin territory. But there have always been rumors. Did somebody finally ask the right questions?
Posted by: lyle at October 31, 2007 05:43 AM (0LZe8)
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I agree with those upthread that say its probably not a Pub. The media wouldn't hesitate to pull the trigger on a Pub scandal.
So I'm guessing it involves a Dem. Probably one of the top 3. Not Hillary I think, and not Edwards.
I betcha its Obama, and I betcha its a relationship with a white woman, prior to his current marriage.
THAT's what's been missing in this campaign right there.
That's would give it the "complex" ethical factor and would explain the hesitance to run it. It wouldn't really help any Dems (Hilly) and it really wouldn't hurt Pubs, so it isn't compelling to the base biases of the media.
I just don't buy that the LATimes would sit on a story about a top Pub doing something naughty. For Ahnold's Gov campaign they trotted out every 2-bit skank in California to say he'd brushed against them in the hallway.
So I'm guessing it involves a Dem. Probably one of the top 3. Not Hillary I think, and not Edwards.
I betcha its Obama, and I betcha its a relationship with a white woman, prior to his current marriage.
THAT's what's been missing in this campaign right there.
That's would give it the "complex" ethical factor and would explain the hesitance to run it. It wouldn't really help any Dems (Hilly) and it really wouldn't hurt Pubs, so it isn't compelling to the base biases of the media.
I just don't buy that the LATimes would sit on a story about a top Pub doing something naughty. For Ahnold's Gov campaign they trotted out every 2-bit skank in California to say he'd brushed against them in the hallway.
Posted by: Uberblick at October 31, 2007 06:37 AM (L04de)
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I just don't buy that the LATimes would sit on a story about a top Pub
doing something naughty. For Ahnold's Gov campaign they trotted out
every 2-bit skank in California to say he'd brushed against them in the
hallway.
The LAT sat on the story and only published it when they thought it would do the most harm. I suggest you refresh your memory through google.
I just don't buy that the LATimes would sit on a story about a top Pub
doing something naughty. For Ahnold's Gov campaign they trotted out
every 2-bit skank in California to say he'd brushed against them in the
hallway.
The LAT sat on the story and only published it when they thought it would do the most harm. I suggest you refresh your memory through google.
Posted by: aoshq janitor at October 31, 2007 06:45 AM (yjLO4)
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I find it hard to believe that such a juicy rumor would be kept
under wraps for so long. The free flow of information these days seems
to negate that possibility, or it leads me to think that the scandal is
something recent, or rehashed.
I also find it hard to believe
that such a methodical individual as Hillary Clinton would allow
personal affairs to interfere with her quest for the ultimate power.
John
Edwards and Barack Obama I suppose are the most obvious choices, but
there isn't enough information to offer even an informed guess.
This
is probably nothing more then rehashed old stories, and the LA Times
attempting to spin them into something juicer, then they actually are.
I find it hard to believe that such a juicy rumor would be kept
under wraps for so long. The free flow of information these days seems
to negate that possibility, or it leads me to think that the scandal is
something recent, or rehashed.
I also find it hard to believe
that such a methodical individual as Hillary Clinton would allow
personal affairs to interfere with her quest for the ultimate power.
John
Edwards and Barack Obama I suppose are the most obvious choices, but
there isn't enough information to offer even an informed guess.
This
is probably nothing more then rehashed old stories, and the LA Times
attempting to spin them into something juicer, then they actually are.
Posted by: Urbanus et instructus at October 31, 2007 07:01 AM (JpBv4)
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An over 1500 word post and I still don't know who's fucking who. meh.
An over 1500 word post and I still don't know who's fucking who. meh.
Posted by: aoshq janitor at October 31, 2007 07:21 AM (yjLO4)
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Probably JOHN EDWARDS..
National Enquirer reported last week about an affair between him and his videographer.
It's not a real story unless it's picked up by major media, though. And after last night's debate, Hillary needs BOTH Edwards and Obama in Iowa splitting the Anti-vote to have any chanceof winning AT ALL, so this won't be "Broken" until afterwards..
That said, if it had been a REPUBLICAN, they'd be running with 24/7 live coverage....
National Enquirer reported last week about an affair between him and his videographer.
It's not a real story unless it's picked up by major media, though. And after last night's debate, Hillary needs BOTH Edwards and Obama in Iowa splitting the Anti-vote to have any chanceof winning AT ALL, so this won't be "Broken" until afterwards..
That said, if it had been a REPUBLICAN, they'd be running with 24/7 live coverage....
Posted by: Pravda at October 31, 2007 07:28 AM (mUorL)
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What's juicy about Edwards having an affair? No one seriously contemplating on voting for him would care. It is uncomfortable knowing that he is catting around when his wife is so sick and she is trying to help him get elected.
What's juicy about Edwards having an affair? No one seriously contemplating on voting for him would care. It is uncomfortable knowing that he is catting around when his wife is so sick and she is trying to help him get elected.
Posted by: aoshq janitor at October 31, 2007 07:53 AM (yjLO4)
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If its a Democrat it would be released NOW, so it will have burned out by election time.
If its a Repub, they'll sit on it to see who wins the nom, and if it's the same guy, they'll drop the bomb late summer.
Either way, it's obviously a Repub, or they wouldn't sit on it.
QED
If its a Repub, they'll sit on it to see who wins the nom, and if it's the same guy, they'll drop the bomb late summer.
Either way, it's obviously a Repub, or they wouldn't sit on it.
QED
Posted by: TMF at October 31, 2007 08:07 AM (KTgUG)
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30 At some point, I would think, that if the Hillary lesbo thing has any truth to it some woman has got to come out with stories about it.
Posted by: mbruce at October 30, 2007 11:43 PM (LLCm9) "
If hillary's lover did spill the beans, she probably wouldn't be around long enough to provide evidence. Their enemies seem to disappear quickly.
30 At some point, I would think, that if the Hillary lesbo thing has any truth to it some woman has got to come out with stories about it.
Posted by: mbruce at October 30, 2007 11:43 PM (LLCm9) "
If hillary's lover did spill the beans, she probably wouldn't be around long enough to provide evidence. Their enemies seem to disappear quickly.
Posted by: Texas Nick 77 at October 31, 2007 09:20 AM (rNS3P)
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87
If its a Democrat it would be released NOW, so it will have burned out by election time.If its a Democrat it may never be released, unless the LAT knows another newspaper will release it, then they may try to beat them to the punch.
If its a Democrat it would be released NOW, so it will have burned out by election time.If its a Democrat it may never be released, unless the LAT knows another newspaper will release it, then they may try to beat them to the punch.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at October 31, 2007 09:24 AM (s7Ian)
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"If it was a Republican, this story would already be on the nightly news."
Not necessarily. If it were a Republican, the MSM's agony might be over when to release the story in order to inflict maximum damage. If it were Rudy, say, they'd want to wait until, oh, 48 hours after he received the nomination.
Remember, "60 Minutes" wanted to present their bullshit TANG documents on the Sunday before the election, when it would be too late to refute - sort of a reprise of the Bush drunk-driving story in 2000, except that the earlier story happened to be true. "60 Minutes" ran the story when it did only because the NY Times got wind of the story and said they would publish immediately, which forced Mapes's hand. So in a left-handed way, the Times did us a service; but no doubt they've learned their lesson since then, and will keep their yaps shut this time around.
So, if the story involves a Democrat, the worry is how to minimize the damage; if a Republican, the worry is how to maximize it.
Not necessarily. If it were a Republican, the MSM's agony might be over when to release the story in order to inflict maximum damage. If it were Rudy, say, they'd want to wait until, oh, 48 hours after he received the nomination.
Remember, "60 Minutes" wanted to present their bullshit TANG documents on the Sunday before the election, when it would be too late to refute - sort of a reprise of the Bush drunk-driving story in 2000, except that the earlier story happened to be true. "60 Minutes" ran the story when it did only because the NY Times got wind of the story and said they would publish immediately, which forced Mapes's hand. So in a left-handed way, the Times did us a service; but no doubt they've learned their lesson since then, and will keep their yaps shut this time around.
So, if the story involves a Democrat, the worry is how to minimize the damage; if a Republican, the worry is how to maximize it.
Posted by: Brown Line at October 31, 2007 09:27 AM (x4rbl)
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And the fact that these rumors I'm told of date from the 80s or
thereabouts (mostly) would seem to fit the LAT's apparent dilemma of
being unsure if the story is relevant or germane -- I mean, twenty
years ago. That's pretty far back.
Obama was married in 1992. The article from Rosenbaum implies that it is a marriage-related rumor. So it can't be about Obama cheating, but it could be about him playing for another team.
thereabouts (mostly) would seem to fit the LAT's apparent dilemma of
being unsure if the story is relevant or germane -- I mean, twenty
years ago. That's pretty far back.
Obama was married in 1992. The article from Rosenbaum implies that it is a marriage-related rumor. So it can't be about Obama cheating, but it could be about him playing for another team.
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at October 31, 2007 09:37 AM (s7Ian)
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Okay...it's time to come clean. I'm going to admit it.
I've been sleeping with Jeri Thompson.
Yes, it started out innocently. We met in a bar in Boston. I didn't even think it was Jerri because, well, I didn't even look at her face for the first week.
But we are in love and D.C. is just going to have to learn to live with it!
(P.S. I also laid Elizabeth Kucinich once, but it was when we had both been abducted by aliens and we were under the direction and control of reptilian aliens so I don't think either of us can be blamed for that incident!)
I've been sleeping with Jeri Thompson.
Yes, it started out innocently. We met in a bar in Boston. I didn't even think it was Jerri because, well, I didn't even look at her face for the first week.
But we are in love and D.C. is just going to have to learn to live with it!
(P.S. I also laid Elizabeth Kucinich once, but it was when we had both been abducted by aliens and we were under the direction and control of reptilian aliens so I don't think either of us can be blamed for that incident!)
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 31, 2007 09:37 AM (KeOQp)
Posted by: hit and run at October 31, 2007 09:44 AM (jjNS6)
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Not necessarily. If it were a Republican, the MSM's agony might be over
when to release the story in order to inflict maximum damage. If it
were Rudy, say, they'd want to wait until, oh, 48 hours after he
received the nomination.
Nah. Not with the intertubes and the way things are now. Too much danger of getting scooped. I think it's a Dem. Probably Obama given the media's kid-gloves treatment of him to this point.
when to release the story in order to inflict maximum damage. If it
were Rudy, say, they'd want to wait until, oh, 48 hours after he
received the nomination.
Nah. Not with the intertubes and the way things are now. Too much danger of getting scooped. I think it's a Dem. Probably Obama given the media's kid-gloves treatment of him to this point.
Posted by: Farmer Joe at October 31, 2007 09:48 AM (gDNGv)
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If it is the story I'm thinking of, it dates to the mid-1990s, and does indeed involve a leading Democrat that was inside the beltway that that time. I was first told the rumor around 1995-96 (which is why it happened prior to then, if this is, in fact, the same story), when a friend of mine who did an internship in Washington, D.C. and thencame back to college and mentioned it in passing when we were talking about the Lewinsky scandal, which was on-going at the time.
I wasn't interested in politics at all back then, and let it pass without a thought. I don't know where my friend the intern got off to since, so I can't follow-up to verify if that rumor was true. I thought about trying to run her down and see if she'd be willing to go on the record, but figured she wouldn't, so I never tried.
I never figured it was that big of a surprise, anyway, if it came out.
I guess we'll see.
I wasn't interested in politics at all back then, and let it pass without a thought. I don't know where my friend the intern got off to since, so I can't follow-up to verify if that rumor was true. I thought about trying to run her down and see if she'd be willing to go on the record, but figured she wouldn't, so I never tried.
I never figured it was that big of a surprise, anyway, if it came out.
I guess we'll see.
Posted by: Confederate Yankee at October 31, 2007 09:52 AM (ScOBm)
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OK, Yankee, what 'fess up: Hillary!, Bill, and Monica were a threesome - right?
Posted by: Brown Line at October 31, 2007 09:58 AM (x4rbl)
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The MSM really has it in for Repubs? Go with any rumor? I'm sorry the Republican self pity machine really needs a reality check. After the last eight years I think that one needs to be buried. Remember how the MSM beat up Gore and Kerry? Bush skated through. They went after Larry Craig? Again nonsense, only when he was arrested did the story surface. Makes good sense it's a Republican since the MSM is so petrified of its perceived liberal bias (even after being rolled endlessly by the Repubs, anyone remember being led to war on lies?) that they'd be hard pressed to run something against the Repubs and the good soldier Drudge would probably sit on it.
Posted by: A. Patriot at October 31, 2007 10:00 AM (zW6J7)
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Sniff, sniff... did someone just fart?
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at October 31, 2007 10:02 AM (s7Ian)
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Could it be that JK Rowling is going to tell us she always had Dennis Kucinich in mind when she wrote of Dumbledoor? Seriously now, this discussion is lame. Ron Paul and Kucinich have already made the campaign a jaw-dropping, you've-got-to-be-kidding-me escapade. As long as Hillary is leading in the race, and as long as the msm wants a dem, they will not open the pandora's box of potential fidelity questions lest they have to explain why she's never asked about its importance (or worse, asked about the potential of a whoring First Man in the WH).
Posted by: Scott Malensek at October 31, 2007 10:07 AM (COvlR)
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A. Patriot
An astute observer you are, my friend.
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YEah, i remember all too well how the tough the MSM was on Kerry
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This seems most likely to be theJohn Edwards story which most of you have probably heard about.
This seems most likely to be theJohn Edwards story which most of you have probably heard about.
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Hillary has long been accused of being gay. She is a Democrat, therefore ethics play out in this case, as opposed to say a Republican like Foley being gay. There is nothing unethical about outting a gay Republican, or just accusing someone of being one. It's in the Constitution. Look it up!
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This particular portion of the reference:
the paper couldn’t decide the complex ethics of whether and when to run it.
Hillary has long been accused of being gay. She is a Democrat, therefore ethics play out in this case, as opposed to say a Republican like Foley being gay. There is nothing unethical about outting a gay Republican, or just accusing someone of being one. It's in the Constitution. Look it up!
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John Edwards. His wife is, for all intents and purposes, considered to be a terminal cancer patient. It would be an absolute shitty thing for him to be doing, if true. But not as shitty as Gingrich dumping his wife when she had cancer, because he is a Republican ....
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If it's the Fred gay thing.. I'm pretty sure the universe would implode. I'm more scared of that than the Iranians getting the bomb.
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National Enquirer reported last week about an affair between him and his videographer.
I was wondering if everyone had forgotten about that already. Not that it's necessarily true--it IS the National Enquirer, after all.
That said, the Gennifer Flowers story was first reported in a tabloid as well, so ya never know.Other than him, though, I'm thinking maybe one of the lost-cause Dems, like Dodd or Biden. Maybe they're holding back because they don't want to "hurt" a candidate that isn't going to win anyway. (If it were a second- or third-tier Republican, though, they'd break the story wide open BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!!!)
National Enquirer reported last week about an affair between him and his videographer.
I was wondering if everyone had forgotten about that already. Not that it's necessarily true--it IS the National Enquirer, after all.
That said, the Gennifer Flowers story was first reported in a tabloid as well, so ya never know.Other than him, though, I'm thinking maybe one of the lost-cause Dems, like Dodd or Biden. Maybe they're holding back because they don't want to "hurt" a candidate that isn't going to win anyway. (If it were a second- or third-tier Republican, though, they'd break the story wide open BECAUSE OF THE HYPOCRISY!!!)
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Everybody has got this wrong. Nobody's got anything, and the campaign is a total bore. Think about it...UFO questions? Puleeze,such desperation. The media needs some decentaction. So, this is like saying you know where Osama is in hopes of getting him to pop his head up and make a run for it. The scandalites figure somebody has have a skeleton, let's see if we can flush it out. No big danger if its a Democrat, after all, its just sex, and probably resume enhancement. But if its a Rethug, look out, Rethug hypocrisy!
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Nevermind Edwards--I see he said it's not him.
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If "everyone" knows about it, how the hell is it NOT out yet? Who would "everyone" covering the campaign want to protect?
Hillary, I'm thinking, but I just do not see it. She's not stupid, especially after having lived the Clenis nightmare. And honestly, women generally don't lose their minds when given the opportunity to stray, at least to the extent a Presidential candidate would have to lose his or her mind.
I don't see it being any of the Republicans, because someone would have reported "the rumor," if nothing else.
Hillary, I'm thinking, but I just do not see it. She's not stupid, especially after having lived the Clenis nightmare. And honestly, women generally don't lose their minds when given the opportunity to stray, at least to the extent a Presidential candidate would have to lose his or her mind.
I don't see it being any of the Republicans, because someone would have reported "the rumor," if nothing else.
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We’re still a bit incredulous on this one, but a top level U.S. Department of Justice official is telling Big Head DC that Michael Musto’s rumor about Hillary Clinton fooling around with one of her top female aides Huma Abedin is based in reality!
http://www.lukeford.net/blog/index.php/
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Everyone ought to start hammering Drudge about it. I just did, but one message isn't gonna cut it.
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It's something that's never happened before.
Male candidate cheating on wife? Check. Closet gay? Check. Hillary cheating on Bill? Easily forgiven.Female candidate a closet lesbian? Not out of the question.
Hillary having sex with a Repulican, or even a Republican candidate? That would cause the LAT's dilema.
Male candidate cheating on wife? Check. Closet gay? Check. Hillary cheating on Bill? Easily forgiven.Female candidate a closet lesbian? Not out of the question.
Hillary having sex with a Repulican, or even a Republican candidate? That would cause the LAT's dilema.
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I think it could very well be a Republican. With no Republican clearly in the lead, all this "agonizing over moral dilemnas" simply means: "Wait until there is a clear leader on the Republican ticket, then break the story so that it will do the most damage to the Pubbies.Then theelection of a Democrat becomes assured."
Thus, at this point we don't know whether it's a Repub or Donk. We'll know in the coming year, though. If the story comes out in the LA Times, it will be a Republican. If no story comes out, it was a Democrat, likely Hillary! Maybe the pretty-boy. If Drudge leaks it ....
Thus, at this point we don't know whether it's a Repub or Donk. We'll know in the coming year, though. If the story comes out in the LA Times, it will be a Republican. If no story comes out, it was a Democrat, likely Hillary! Maybe the pretty-boy. If Drudge leaks it ....
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If the thing Take Five mentioned is it, then I expect that there is a much bigger, more complex (meaning harder to explain in a TV sound bite) Hillary scandal which this one will be used to deflect.
Monica II the sequel.
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I think Hillary is having an affair with her "Right Hand Woman" her name is Huma.
I’ve been getting a few emails from people who say they work in
Washington and everyone “knows” about this relationship.
Who is Huma? Read about her here:
For instance, I got an email from an government email address recently “usdoj.gov” who wrote:
I am close enough to both Hillary and Huma to know that it is an open
secret on the campaign that those two are romantically involved. It is
something you will never get them to verify though…
So… I’m just going to throw this out there as a wild hunch of why the LATimes is sitting on this story.
I do get a lot of viewers looking at that page on my website.
It is my 9th most popular page on my www.nohillaryclinton.com website!!!!Why is this story so popular???
The people viewing this page are coming from search engines. You tell me - who in the world would be searching for "Huma and Hillary" unless they were searching for them after hearing this rumor that everyone in Washington is talking about.
How many of you have heard of Huma? You have to be pretty versed on Hillary Clinton matters to know about her and her role in the Hillary camp.
I've also heard that she is living at Hillary's house... why?
I think Hillary is having an affair with her "Right Hand Woman" her name is Huma.
I’ve been getting a few emails from people who say they work in
Washington and everyone “knows” about this relationship.
Who is Huma? Read about her here:
For instance, I got an email from an government email address recently “usdoj.gov” who wrote:
I am close enough to both Hillary and Huma to know that it is an open
secret on the campaign that those two are romantically involved. It is
something you will never get them to verify though…
So… I’m just going to throw this out there as a wild hunch of why the LATimes is sitting on this story.
I do get a lot of viewers looking at that page on my website.
It is my 9th most popular page on my www.nohillaryclinton.com website!!!!Why is this story so popular???
The people viewing this page are coming from search engines. You tell me - who in the world would be searching for "Huma and Hillary" unless they were searching for them after hearing this rumor that everyone in Washington is talking about.
How many of you have heard of Huma? You have to be pretty versed on Hillary Clinton matters to know about her and her role in the Hillary camp.
I've also heard that she is living at Hillary's house... why?
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It's gonna turn out Chelsea is Carter's kid...
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Yeah, if its a Republican they're holding it to see if he's the nominee, and then they'd spring it in October 08. I kinda doubt it because McCain's already admitted having affairs after he got back, Guilliani is on wife 3, Fred! played the field while in office, and Romney is a Mormon, and you know they're all into Big Love. So unless one of them developed a wide stance, even then they can say they prayed away teh ghey and alls golden. I can't see a sex scandal. Ron Paul on the other hand....
If its a Democrat they're spiking it, period. Drudge will probably weasel it out in a week or so, if its real.
If its a Democrat they're spiking it, period. Drudge will probably weasel it out in a week or so, if its real.
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Hillary and Huma? Unh-uh. That one is a setup, a falsestory to drag righty bloggers in and make them look bad. I know poeple in DC too, Bucky!
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The only thing that I can think of here dates back to the early days of the Clinton Administration and the Vince Foster case. The American Spectator spent a good deal of effort investigating the events surrounding Vince Foster's suicide, and one thing that was uncovered during that investigation was a possible affair between Hillary and Foster shortly before his demise.
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According to Blogger: "Hillary relationship with one of her top aides Huma Abedin"http://bigheaddc.com/2007/10/31/la-times-sitting-on-an-explosive-prez-candidate-sex-story/
According to the Village Voice gossip: "HILLARY CLINTON is GAYLE KING–ing her aide de camp, the glamorous HUMA ABEDIN"http://www.villagevoice.com/nyclife/0732,musto,77465,15.html
According to Blogger: "Hillary relationship with one of her top aides Huma Abedin"http://bigheaddc.com/2007/10/31/la-times-sitting-on-an-explosive-prez-candidate-sex-story/
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