Was Hsu The Puppeteer, Or Was He The Puppet?: Hsu's Donations Seem To Track With Major Democratic Donor *And Former Cabinet Official*

Suggesting that he was merely the bagman for a seriously connected Democratic operative giving him orders.

It's possible, I suppose, that Hsu was just defrauding people out of money in order to give it to Democratic politicians. The prosecutor said this case was about "self-promotion and greed," but it's hard to see the greed angle in so generously giving illegal money to others, especially Hillary! and her favorite Special Friends.

Once again Flip scoops the MSM and finds that Hsu actually might not have been "coercing" victims to help him give his stolen money away to Democrats, but perhaps was himself a pawn of a major Democratic fundraiser and former member of Bill Clinton's cabinet.

I strongly suggest reading the whole thing, but I'll tease a bit here because I know reading makes your heads hurt:

Two points are crucial here.

1) Ever since Hsu became a major fundraiser, there have been notable similarities between his and[Fred] Hochberg/[and his company] Lillian Vernon's contributions that strain the limits of coincidence. Not only is there significant overlap among several far-flung candidates who wouldn't typically be of much interest to New York businessmen, but the size and timing of many of the transactions further suggest the efforts are coordinated.

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Here, the Hsu-slighted senior Senator from New York [Chuck Schumer] pitches in by serving as the exception that proves the rule. Schumer actually used to enjoy regular financial support from Hochberg. He and his company made several sizable contributions to Schumer's campaigns between 1997 and 2003... then the gravy train came screeching to a halt. Not a single contribution after March 2003. It's anyone's guess why, but if Chuck did something to sour Hochberg, it would explain his conspicuous absence among both Hochberg's and Hsu's bountiful largesse heaped on just about every other notable Democrat in New York State over the following 4 years.

These are all anecdotal observations of course, but I've made the whole data set of Hsu-related transactions available, so you can go exploring for additional interestingly timed contributions.

2) Hochberg's political benefaction predates Hsu's by several years. While Hsu didn't get his start until 2003 and didn't really hit his stride until late 2004, Lillian Vernon and the Hochbergs contributed more than a half million dollars to Democrats in the decade prior to Hsu's political foray (and more than a quarter million more since). This suggests the slate of candidates whose palms Hsu has chosen to cross with silver these last few years was not the product of either Hsu's own ideology or any specific partisan motivation. It seems more likely that the pols Hsu began to grease were simply co-opted from Hochberg's list of favored candidates.

...

But wait... there's more. Some cursory digging on Fred Hochberg reveals something interesting. He's a fellow HillRaiser. Thanks to a bit of alphabetical kismet, you can see his name directly above Hsu's on Hillary's official HillRaiser roster.

But wait... there's still more. Hochberg is also a dean at the New School, where Hsu was a trustee until this scandal broke last month and the school hurriedly removed his name from their website. Also on the New School board is Bernard Schwartz, one of Bill Clinton's biggest financial backers and the central figure in Clinton's scandal involving the sale of missile technology to China.

And the lily gilder: Fred Hochberg was a member of President Clinton's Cabinet.

Wow.

So, Mr. Prosecutor:

Is this really about "self-promotion and greed" or is it about a major Democratic booster/former cabinet official using a slick hustler as a conduit for millions of dollars in illegal donations from his circle of incredibly wealthy friends?

Seriously, read it. Spectacular.

This isn't just a blogger jagging off with "Internet detective work," this is stuff the prosecutors and media ought to have already discovered but apparently seem disinclined to pursue.

Questions For the Media and Prosecutor:

1) What kind of thief/hustler gives away so much of the money he's risked incarceration for? What is his motive for doing that? For "self-promotion"? Wouldn't it make more sense for him to "self-promote" by investing in Hollywood projects and "self-promote" among nubile young actresses? Why "self-promote" among the dreary past-middle-aged pot-belied gray-cheeked Democratic operative set?

2) Greed? How can greed be a motive for giving away so much "defrauded" money?

3) The media, and prosecution teams, are generally loathe to content themselves with the Lone Rogue Operative theory of a crime, especially when the crimes committed largely benefit others and not the Lone Rogue Operative himself. In the Plame case, in Abu Ghraib, the media, in particular, was furiously skeptical that Lone Rogue Operatives had simply acted with apparent criminal purpose for the apparent benefit of higher-ranking political or military figures. They still don't buy the Lone Rogue Operative theory in either case. And yet the media and the prosecutor seem almost eager to dismiss this current case as one of those Lone Rogue Operative cases here, as quickly as humanly possible. Why? Why the sudden onset of credulity that a criminal acts so selflessly to advance the interests of others, without their knowledge or at least connivance? Why has the Lone Rogue Operative theory become so tantalizingly plausible?

4) Why is it that Hsu's preferred candidates track so closely with Fred Hoechner's? Especially given that Hoechner was donating big to Democrats long before Hsu was? Was Hsu simply impressed by the slate of political actors that Fred Hoechner had been donating to? If so, why? Is Norman Hsu desperate to see HillaryCare universal health coverage? Or did he have... more tangible, more mercenary reasons for pushing Hoechner's field of candidates?

And finally:

5) Why is everyone so eager to wrap this case up nice and tidy and pinned on a Lone Rogue Operative/Patsy without asking all those "tough questions" the media claims it's uniquely qualified to ask?

Bonus: JackStraw sends this documentary of Hillary!'s shady fundraiser with the Shady Lone Rouge Operative Peter Paul (see a pattern) with the slugline "bombshell."

Posted by: Ace at 02:53 PM



Comments

1 This is just too complicated for the complicated muranced mind.

Nuance like butter on a piece of freshly baked bread.

Just too, too, much.

They can comprehend fag sex in an airport, that's about it.

Posted by: E Buzz Miller at September 21, 2007 01:05 PM (v/XJX)

2 We can yell and scream and have all the flaming skulls in the world. The MSM will try to sweep this under the rug. They'll probably succeed, too.

Posted by: Nice Deb at September 21, 2007 01:06 PM (FDBZf)

3
There are many charming rogues out there who could never pull off a swindle like this. Too may people were involved with too much big money.

Hsu is well connected somewhere.

Posted by: Electric Ferret at September 21, 2007 01:08 PM (U5cqs)

4 *YAWN*
Nope, nothing to see here. Hey, let's talk about gay Republicans some more!

Posted by: The MSM at September 21, 2007 01:09 PM (ukuxx)

5 Another interesting person on the Hillraiser list, Bernard Schwartz. Good ol' Bernie is a long time Bill Clinton supporter, 7 figures plus,and ex-CEO of Loral Space. I'm sure it was just a huge coincidence that the Clinton admin gave him a waver to sell advanced missle and satellite technology to the Chinese.

Move along.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 21, 2007 01:20 PM (t+mja)

6 >>The MSM will try to sweep this under the rug. They'll probably succeed, too.
If Hillary gets subpoenaed, or gasp, gets indicted as a co-conspirator, the MSM will have to report it. Otherwise, they won't.

Posted by: Tushar D at September 21, 2007 01:22 PM (IlgNp)

7 I'm already tired of this story, but I've suspected that there's a lot more to this.
How many con-men go out of their way to con millions from other people... just so he can give the money away? Looks to me like this guy is a professionalmoney launderer for the Democratic party.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 21, 2007 01:24 PM (plsiE)

8 If Hillary is going to be eventually ensnared in this, it is good that MSM is mum. It will be fun if she wins the nomination and then is led away handcuffed in front of stunned DNC delegates.

Posted by: Tushar D at September 21, 2007 01:24 PM (IlgNp)

9 What was that thing about 2 hour hands free orgasm? Thank you Hsu, Thank you Hillary!
I think the nightmare of Madame President Hillary! is fading into the background, IN SPITE OF the disgrace we have for current GOP and White House leadership.
Hillary!, like Tricky Dick before her, just couldn't take a sure thing that looked like it was going to be handed to her on a silver platter by her friends and opponents alike. Thank God for her outsized greed and ambition.

Posted by: funky chicken at September 21, 2007 01:25 PM (I+jPP)

10 This post should be made sticky for a while.

Posted by: lauraw at September 21, 2007 01:25 PM (KUOcx)

11 And Powerline Blog has a little somethingto say about all this as well.
http://www.powerlineblog.com/#018513

Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 21, 2007 01:26 PM (PMGbu)

12 They're still too busy tormenting Scooter Libby for his horrible, horrible crime.

Posted by: funky chicken at September 21, 2007 01:29 PM (I+jPP)

13 http://www.ksg.harvard.edu/dalc/roster/index.php?view=display_profileperson_id=189

"highest ranking openly gay person"

Posted by: reliapundit at September 21, 2007 01:30 PM (w0FnC)

14 We can yell and scream and have all the flaming skulls in the world. The MSM will try to sweep this under the rug. They'll probably succeed, too.
Yup, this is about Democrats and could conceivably hurt Hillary's chances to win. Thus, the MSM will bury it. Even if they do have to grudgingly report on it, they'll find ways to frame it that will point at Republicans, somehow.

Posted by: Kensington at September 21, 2007 01:30 PM (kFwRi)

15 Yea know what's pretty interesting, if you look at The New School you will find a relationship with a significant number of Hillraisers. Alan Patricof, Bernard Schwartz, Chung Seto, Norman Hsu, etc., etc. Jus how did a dope like Norman Hsu get to be a trustee of The New School anyway?

Just putting it out there.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 21, 2007 01:37 PM (t+mja)

16 5) addendum Why is the justice department seemingly going to aid and abet the MSM and the Hillary! campaign in this mission?
6) Sandy Burger vs Scooter Libby: who actually is a threat to national security?

Posted by: funky chicken at September 21, 2007 01:39 PM (I+jPP)

17 5) Why is everyone so eager to wrap this case up nice and tidy and pinned on a Lone Rogue Operative/Patsy without asking all those "tough questions" the media claims it's uniquely qualified to ask?
If Hsu finds himself being transferred through a garage by two marshalls wearing cowboy hats, then he should know he's screwed.

Posted by: Steve L. at September 21, 2007 01:45 PM (hpZf2)

18 LOOK! LOOK! There goes O.J.!! He did something!!! We think he's guilty! And here's something shiny!!!!



Now quit looking at this Hsu-stuff, there's nothing there.

Posted by: The MSM at September 21, 2007 01:51 PM (7mKbd)

19 Don't worry. They won't sweep this under the rug. There are too many other Democrats that want their shot at the brass ring. From what I can, this is the beginning of the end of Hillary! as a candidate. Unfortunately for her this is all coming out before the primaries.
This is good news for the Republicans. She's their best shot at actually takingthe White House.

Posted by: Eric at September 21, 2007 02:10 PM (eSqCK)

20 Edwards/Obama stock just rose.

Posted by: Techie at September 21, 2007 02:20 PM (T+8Gr)

21 Re your question 5:
"To a cop the explanation's always simple. There's no mystery to the street, no arch criminal behind it all. If you find a body and you think his brother did it, you're gonna find out you're right. "

Posted by: See-Dubya at September 21, 2007 02:20 PM (1gdFs)

22
Flip is doing outstanding work, and doubtless theres much more to come. Perhaps hes leading up to some answers in his next post.
Were starting to see connections between Hsu and other big donors. Its starting to look like a cabal, nice and secret (headquartered at Area 51?).
Who would be interested paying $30 or $40 million for the "gratitude" of Hillary!s staff , and that of several other Democratic candidates?

The list looks very short.
Of course with a sufficiently complex scheme and lots of trust, most of the money might not really be spent or lost, it may just look that way.
But if only $5 - $7million were actually spent, the list becomes longer.

Posted by: Arbalest at September 21, 2007 02:32 PM (rVM3l)

23 Bush could have the last laugh here, you know. Scenario: Justice Dept. uncovers sufficientevidence, issues indictment for Hillary that remains sealed pending further investigations to track down the whole train of laundering, perhaps all the way across the Pacific, who knows? Investigations that wrap up insay,late August of next year, with thetabling of the indictment... causing thousands of moonbat heads to simultaneously explode in one gloriousfountain of stupid-fluid!
BUUHWAAHHAAA!

Posted by: sherlock at September 21, 2007 02:33 PM (ojW85)

24 Nice Usual Suspects reference, Dub....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 21, 2007 02:40 PM (tVbxd)

25 Ace:
Fact check/typo in your point #4. You keep mentioning someone named Hoechner. Do you mean Hochberg?

Posted by: lawhawk at September 21, 2007 02:47 PM (5jnES)

26 Dub,
Is it Friday night already?

Posted by: Lou at September 21, 2007 02:49 PM (DngOs)

27 Guys ... let's not get worked up over this. This is just our version of Fitzmas: a box with a great big ribbon on it, that has nothing inside. There's too many ways this can flop:

- Hsu really was just a flim-flam man trying to buy influence or show how well-connected he was. Unlikely, but possible.

- Hillary! et al. spin and delay until all interest has faded, or until well after the election - at which point, mysteriously all the US attorneys are fired. Again. Case not closed, but buried so deep that it's never seen again.

- Hsu commits "suicide". Case closed.

- Hsu plea-bargains a slap on the wrist, does his 90 days, returns to the PRC, and is never seen again. Case closed.

I favor the last scenario, but any are possible.

Look, if you really expect Hillary! to do the perp walk, think again. It ain't happening - no way, no how, no matter how many flaming skulls Ace puts up. The fix is in - or soon will be. Deal with it.

Posted by: Brown Line at September 21, 2007 02:50 PM (VrNoa)

28 This is all to some extent very fun, but if there are shady fundraisers "bundling" for the Democrats then there are doubtless shady Republican bundlers, and (as we all know) if there is a shady fundraiser connected to the Republicans it will get 20 times the media exposure. The system basically sucks.

Posted by: steve at September 21, 2007 03:04 PM (ose4M)

29 I';ve been watching the Sac Bee (McClatchy) coverage of this, hightest it's been is 2-3 column inches on page 5.

Posted by: mojo at September 21, 2007 03:18 PM (g1cNf)

30 This is good stuff. Keep it coming.

Posted by: profligatewaste at September 21, 2007 03:20 PM (G7GY1)

31
Hsu gets quietly dissappeared a-la "Vince Foster". bets?

Posted by: Electric Ferret at September 21, 2007 03:22 PM (U5cqs)

32 This guy is the most altruistic "scam artist" I've ever seen...impossibly so in fact.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 21, 2007 03:22 PM (/G4Xe)

33 C'mon, Ace,the overlapping donations and lists are just because Democrats have a wide stance.

Posted by: andycanuck at September 21, 2007 03:28 PM (p55z7)

34 Can't we wait until she's nominated to drop this bombshell?

Geez, Republicans suck at this game.

Posted by: someone at September 21, 2007 03:33 PM (HS8cW)

35 28 This is all to some extent very fun, but if there are shady fundraisers "bundling" for the Democrats then there are doubtless shady Republican bundlers, and (as we all know) if there is a shady fundraiser connected to the Republicans it will get 20 times the media exposure. The system basically sucks.

Wouldn't this have shown up already though? You can't just say "well they probably just haven't looked," because the moment something like this starts brewing they begin checking to find the corruption on the other side. When it starts with conservatives, bloggers and the like show the other sides corruption in kind but that gets ignored or downplayed by the media.

What is the Move-On.org equivalent on the Republican side? Because it really seems like you have it in your head that everything one side does the other side is doing the exact same thing.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 21, 2007 03:37 PM (fs3G2)

36 I want to know why Schumerwas shunned. What did he do to piss them off?

Posted by: meep at September 21, 2007 03:45 PM (5j3FI)

37 THIS IS AC AND I HAVE HSU IN THE CAR!

A

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THIS IS AC DAMMIT!!!

Why would the media bother covering this, it's not like Hillary! had any past ties to the Chinese Communists or anything.

Posted by: E Buzz Miller at September 21, 2007 03:48 PM (sf4Oe)

38 I';ve been watching the Sac Bee (McClatchy) coverage of this, hightest it's been is 2-3 column inches on page 5.

Damn. Even LAT's been putting this on the front page from time to time.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 21, 2007 04:02 PM (tVbxd)

39 Lone rouge operator LOL I thought Mr. Hsu looked a wee bit fruity and made up in some of those pics.

Posted by: funky chicken at September 21, 2007 04:07 PM (I+jPP)

40 Hollowpoint, how can you be tired of this story? It's tailor made for either Rudy or Fred! who have attorney backgrounds, and I believe trial experience. They have training in taking confusing stuff and presenting it to juries (yeah, maybe a long time ago, but it's like falling off a bike). And both have the stones to use it.

Posted by: funky chicken at September 21, 2007 04:12 PM (I+jPP)

41 Hay, no fair changing that....

Posted by: funky chicken at September 21, 2007 04:34 PM (I+jPP)

42 >>Hollowpoint, how can you be tired of this story? It's tailor made for either Rudy or Fred! who have attorney backgrounds, and I believe trial experience.

I don't think Fred wants any part of investigating another Clinton for illegal campaign donations given what he did leading the "investigation" of Bill Clinton and Johnny Chung.

Posted by: JackStraw at September 21, 2007 07:59 PM (t+mja)

43 As to Brown Line's point, while a perp walk would be Capital S Sweet, simply keeping the corrupt cynical bitch out of the oval office would be good enough.

And a little bit more pressure on the Dem's "support mechanism," AKA the MSM, wouldn't hurt either.

Posted by: Merovign at September 21, 2007 09:13 PM (IaYDo)

44 Someone who is buying general influence does not put $850,000 eggs in one basket and 23,000 eggs in another basket.
And why no eggs in any Republican baskets? Dems are rated at only 60% to take the White House.

Posted by: Steve O at September 21, 2007 10:54 PM (LFHbc)

45 "So, Ms. Couric, if the media turns out to be complicit in covering up the largest fundraising scandal in the history of American politics, which is actually quite plausible, how will history judge your own role in it?"

Posted by: Steve O at September 21, 2007 11:06 PM (LFHbc)

46 "It's possible, I suppose, that Hsu was just defrauding people out of money in order to give it to Democratic politicians."

Defrauding people out of money to give to Democratic politicians? That's what the IRS is for.


Posted by: Martin at September 22, 2007 01:47 AM (DRd0Y)

47 6) Sandy Burger vs Scooter Libby: who actually is a threat to national security?

Posted by: funky chicken at September 21, 2007 01:39 PM (I+jPP)"They both are.

Burger should be in jail. And I'd like to know just what documents he stuffed down his skivvies, and what those documents reveal. Why was he never compelled to reveal this?

But I wouldn't waste any sympathy on Lewis "Scooter" Libby.

Why?

1.) His nickname is "Scooter".

2.) He used to be Mark Rich's attorney, and helped him secure his 11th hour pardon from Bill Clinton. Rich, you may remember, was the fugitive millionaire, who traded Iranian oil, and whose ex-wife was Denise Rich, who personally lobbied Bill Clinton (how, I will not speculate) for his pardon. So why was this guy working for Dick Cheney?

Posted by: Martin at September 22, 2007 01:53 AM (DRd0Y)

48 Damn you, Ace. Why are you talking about this? You're supposed to be totally fixated on the "Jena 6" scandal. Do you mean to tell me that Hillary sent Al and Jesse down there for nothing? They're supposed to be scoring points against Obama and diverting attention from the Hsu store-y.

Get with the program!

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49 Let me guess, Hsu had business with Lillian Vernon OR his factoring scam actually started out with Lillian Vernon purchase orders, which could be vetted.

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