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| Latest Democratic Effort to Abandon Iraq FailsThe Senate just voted down an amendment to the Defense Authorization Bill that would have set time limits on how much time troops would have to stay home between overseas deployments. The measure offered by Jim Webb of Virginia was billed as a “support the troops measure” but would have the effect of making it nearly impossible to maintain sufficient troop levels in Iraq. That’s the good news, the bad news is it garnered 56 votes (it needed 60 to pass). I know that the current troop rotations plans are putting a tremendous stress on those who serve, their families and equipment but this was just a backdoor way to surrender in Iraq. Sadly, this was just the first effort, the Democrats will be back with more throughout the week. I do blame the President former Defense Secretary Rumsfeld and Congress for not increasing the size of our forces. Yes, as Rumy so eloquently put it, you go to war with the Army you have not the one you’d like, but that doesn’t mean you are stuck with it forever and can never improve upon it. And while I am sure the troops would like more time at home, it seems they’d love to win this fight even more.Regardless of what’s happening in terms of recruitment, soldiers, sailors, airmen and Marines already serving are reenlisting at rates that surpass all expectations, according to defense officials. Defense Department statistics for June, released yesterday, showed the Army missed its active-duty recruiting goal for the second consecutive month. Yet retention remained high across the board, 101 percent of goal for the active Army, 119 percent for the Army Reserve, and 107 percent for the Army National Guard, Maj. Anne Edgecomb, an Army spokeswoman, told American Forces Press Service. … Of particular interest, he said, are high retention rates among troops serving in Iraq and Afghanistan. Comments1
Rumy wasn't in charge of the budget. The Republican congress was grafting by earmarks and didn't realize the necessity of restoring that which Billy cut away. If Rumy did something, then he should be castigated, if he didn't, find the real culprit. The accusations against the administration are flying around like scattershot. Don't damn with faint praise just to get the opposition off your case. (e.g. There were mistakes made, but....) The only mistake you make in war is to underestimate the enemy. Punch and counterpunch are facts of life and you know that.
Posted by: Mike H. at September 19, 2007 08:49 PM (h7fLw) 2
Even if it passed, isn't the president within his rights to ignore it? I don't see how the congress can interfere, it looks like a blatant constitutional conflict, which means that the Dem's don't care about the constitution.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 19, 2007 09:06 PM (QTv8u) 3
At that level of support Bush could ignore it. However, if enough Rs get on board some kind of "compromise" legislation they could theoretically pass it in spite of the president. I think it requires a 2/3 majority vote in both houses, though, which is darn rare.
Posted by: cranky-d at September 19, 2007 09:10 PM (1bGqE) 4
The Nutroots will be looking for Dem blood this Spring. It should be fun to watch.
Posted by: eman at September 19, 2007 09:12 PM (qg/md) 5
I'm starting to think that the time home requirements are intended to force the re-institution of the draft. That would end the war. The number of protesters in the streets would increase exponentially. Posted by: captkidney at September 19, 2007 09:14 PM (XoUt8) 6
Rummy wasn't interested in increasing the size of the force because he was convinced that "transformation" (more technology) had made a more manpower intensive military obsolete. Well, he was wrong. One of my greatest disappointments with this administration was that they did not move immediately to increase the size of the force on taking office (do we devote even as much as 5% of GNP to defense even now?) as many of us were convinced that we should have never have cut the force so dramatically in the first place (and that was Bush I as well as Billy Jeff).. BTW Rummy made his remarks in response to a trooper from my regiment. I read them the next day in Stars and Stripes while sitting in a hillbilly armored truck getting ready to go north-I wasn't particularly sad to see him go and I only wish Bush would have fired him earlier (or he had resigned) so that the damned Dems might not have retaken Congress. I re-enlisted a short time later. I believe in the war effort and I want us to win, but getting your re-enlistment bonus tax free is nice too. Posted by: CavMedic at September 19, 2007 09:26 PM (UyFYg) 7
The transformation was based on the success of CAX operations, and Rummy was actually correct. You are right however, that the cuts were too extreme in the first place, and the admin made the incorrect decision to not push for the re-establishment of troop numbers for political reasons, since they didn't wanna look like warmongers, which they would have had they increased troop levels, even if there wasn't a war. So instead, they didn't do anything about troop levels, and just threw it too the military to compensate. They could, but the strain is too much. We need a regular, and incremental buildup of are military forces over at least the next five years to be even close to our proper levels, and probably aren't going to have the active defensive force numbers to be able to do half the things we should be doing, for 10 or more. Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 19, 2007 09:34 PM (QTv8u) 8
Let it not go unnoticed that ever since 9/11 the Dems' response to The Jihad has been 100% poll driven. Bush has been more dogged than deft, but no one can claim he's been at this for popularity's sake. A politician acts with an eye on the next election, a statesman acts with an eye on the next generation.
Posted by: The Sanity Inspector at September 19, 2007 09:43 PM (azs39) 9
Let it not go unnoticed that ever since 9/11 the Dems' response to The Jihad has been 100% poll driven.
Fixed that for you. Not that there aren't plenty of Repub's who are the same. Still, I clearly remember Clinton's presidency by poll. It was not the best of times. Posted by: cranky-d at September 19, 2007 10:23 PM (1bGqE) Posted by: Andrews Dad at September 19, 2007 10:24 PM (BS5PN) 11
Rumsfeld was right you do go to war with what you have not necessarily what you want. That was true in WWI when troops had to drill with broomsticks because there weren't enough rifles, in WWII when they had to paint Tank on jeeps for exercises, and use M4s against Tigers, in Korea, and in Vietnam.
The major mistake Rumsfeld made in my mind wasn't in troop levels it was in letting Garner be pushed out by Bremer. The plan that Rumsfeld and his people worked out for the invasion went pretty damn well. If we had followed Garners plan we would have turned Iraq over in 100 days. We may be back there now but the dynamic would be much different in my opinion. Posted by: chad at September 19, 2007 10:28 PM (WNcvq) 12
Let's not get too excited about stats on the number of Soldiers re-enlisting while deployed. I think it has a lot to do with the $25,000+ tax free bonuses. Sure, many do it for duty, love of country, etc. but there's a reason enlistment bonuses have been rising over the last few years.
Posted by: Grimaldi at September 19, 2007 11:07 PM (Rx9GP) 13
I have thought for quite awhile that in this day and age, we need a larger combat force to avoid troop stress and to be able to deal with more than one low intensity conflict. We can afford another two Army Divisions and another Marine Division. Super-duper fighters are all well and good, but it is boots on the ground that wins. That, and it's time to either start up the A-10 assembly line again (the Warthogs are effective, but 20 years old!) or come up with a more modern version of same. Carrier groups, B-2 bombers and such are great (and necessary!) but what they are doing is supporting the men and women on the ground.
Posted by: Joseph at September 19, 2007 11:22 PM (SlDWP) 14
I assume the problem is not enough infantrymen and that Rumsfeld was trying to force the Army to reduce the number of supporting troops it needs to function. In other words, be more like the Marines. Does anyone know the breakdown of infantry/air/support/etc. in Iraq now? Posted by: Ralph L at September 19, 2007 11:24 PM (Bf3uG) Posted by: Dr. Chopper at September 19, 2007 11:27 PM (AjPTR) 16
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I never got that relevance of that argument. Guess what, signing bonuses have been rising for law school graduates, HS baseball players who are drafted by major league teams and shitty running backs in the NFL. Why is only considered dirty somehow when it's people going in harms way for their country? Posted by: Drew at September 19, 2007 11:30 PM (hlYel) 17
think it has a lot to do with the $25,000+ tax free bonuses. There have been re-enlistment bonuses for as long as the military was all volunteer. When I left, the MOS I was pigeonholed in was a 1x, there are some that reach 6x. One of my Plt Sgts, about to re-enlist for the second time, as a Sgt, got enough cash on his first re-enlistment to buy a 1 year old LS 430 (best fucking car on the planet by the way, driving sports cars is fun, driving the Ls 430 is a pleasure that is barely describable) and to fund his passtime (he worked as a bookie, and did a short stint before enlisting, so he would sports gamble) from which he got hot one year and made a shitload of money. That was in '98. No war then, whats the reason for the bonus' then? Actually, the Reup payments are relatively cheap compared to training, and logistics, and a fucking DEAL compared to general operational maintenance for numbers. Also, It wasn't that rumsfeld thought that 40K troops could defeat the planet, it's more like 40K troops can do what 150K could do 10 years ago, and he was right. The whole concept of mobile warfare, or would you prefer trench mentality? Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 19, 2007 11:41 PM (QTv8u) 18
Oh, and by "troop levels" I screwed up, I meant TO, not "levels."
Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 19, 2007 11:43 PM (QTv8u) 19
Joseph, Amen to the A-10. There has not been serious consideration for a fixed wing close support ship in almost 30 years (add 10 years R&D to the 20+ age of the A-10) Choppers are awesome for close support in the assault, but aren't mobile enough to handle multiple, unidentified hazards during defense. What you end up with is a mobile ground defense that is on it's own, engaging in a holding operation until they get support, and since there are so few close support aircraft anymore, those "fast movers" ain't all that fucking fast anymore. Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 19, 2007 11:46 PM (QTv8u) 20
Not to mention, there is not a single nation on the planet, or two nations on the planet that can gain air superiority against the US, we are too good, too well equiped and too well trained for russia and china to claim superiority against us, let alone the lesser nations who don't know shit about warfare. One on one, with ANY nation on the planet, we will own the air, 2 on one (as long as both aren't russia and china, but it could be one or the other) we dominate it, but there are iffy parts. Don't buy the lies, we own the air, and we did before the. . . .whats it called now? the raptor? (what a lame fucking name, it will be called something else by the troops eventually) and supposedly the raptor (if thats the thrust vectored strike fighter) is so amazing that in tests survival times are almost exact to missile flights from first target contact. Now we need a good solid, specialized close support craft capable of high speeds, and optional abilities at dirt moving. Posted by: Wickedpinto at September 19, 2007 11:53 PM (QTv8u) 21
I'm on board with making some more A-10s. And as far as signing bonuses go, you have to figure out how much money it takes to train these men and women. It may very well be cheaper to pay a bonus to keep an experienced person rather than start over with a new person.
Posted by: cranky-d at September 20, 2007 02:43 AM (1bGqE) 22
It may very well be cheaper to pay a bonus to keep an experienced person rather than start over with a new person.
Exactly. I recall reading that in the late-80's that it took $40k for the US Army to send a single infantryman through basic and AIT. It's probably closer to $60k nowadays. A $25k reenlistment bonus is a frickin' BARGAIN. Not only do you not have to train another soldier from the ground up, but that soldier has the years of experience to make him much much more effective than a newly trained recruit. That's just with infantryment, when you get into the more specialized MOSs, the benefits to the military are even more pronounced. +1, 2, 3 and 4 on re-starting A-10 production, but unfortunately the AF brass won't let that happen. They absolutely HATE having the A-10s in the inventory, even though the A-10 pilots and ground crew (bless them!) love the aircraft. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at September 20, 2007 11:39 AM (tVbxd) 23
My brother would never complain, but if you talk to his wife and his 4 kids, she'd like him home a little more. It's a pretty important thing for families. I think it was a good bill. Who cares if it's a Democrat thing.
My dad lost his job and had health problems when I was in high school. He refused to go on welfare, and instead was homeless for a while. But when I brought him a hot meal, he was pretty damned grateful. Some people, especially strong ones, refuse to ask for help... even though they'd be better off with a little helping hand now and again. And when those people are suffering hardship on your behalf, you pretty much owe them. Posted by: Oops at September 20, 2007 02:38 PM (tOFGj) 24
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