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That's Kaus' take, and since we're not talking about the war or taxes or health care I believe him.

There is no upper age limit. Any illegal alien can walk into a U.S. Customs and Immigration Services office and declare that he is eligible. For example, a 45 year old can claim that he illegally entered the United States 30 years ago at the age of 15. There is no requirement that the alien prove that he entered the United States at the claimed time by providing particular documents. The DREAM Act's Section 4(a) merely requires him to "demonstrate" that he is eligible—which in practice could mean simply making a sworn statement to that effect.

Bonus: Once you so much as file an application claiming DREAM eligibility, you can't be deported.

They're just not going to stop with the amnesty, are they?

This is the most dangerous form of legislation-- the kind that easily slips past public scrutiny because no one is paying attention outside of Congress. They can do pretty much anything with unexamined bills -- and they seem intent on doing precisely what we forbade them to last time we were actually notified of their intentions.

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Posted by: Drew at September 18, 2007 11:43 PM (hlYel)

2 Can you pull it off again? On a much less obvious piece of crap?

Posted by: MlR at September 18, 2007 11:49 PM (mX6h5)

3 I hate them all. This is sedition by our own elected officials.

Posted by: mbruce at September 18, 2007 11:58 PM (LLCm9)

4 Like I said before!!!

You still don't get it, do you? Amnesty will win. That's what it does. That's all it does! You can't stop it. It'll wade through you, reach down your throat, and pull your fucking heart out.

The elites on both side of the isle want amnesty, they will stop at nothing.
We just fought an epic battle and it seemed as if we had won, but we were
so, so naive. We can not win. We on the enforcement side simply don't have the free time to keep the pressure on our overlords. They will chip away slowly but surely. It will start with the dream act, then spread to other smaller, incremental bills. We are truly screwed.

Posted by: McLovin at September 19, 2007 12:02 AM (ipez1)

5 I feel almost like they should make crossing the border without clearing immigration and customs a crime or something like "unlawful entry"... But that just seems so mean...

...Maybe we should just give them housewarming gifts, muffins and a cassarole, and maybe a house so they don't feel so bad, and the job my neighbor's kid would have had if he wasn't undercut for minimum wage (with labor burden), medical careat the e-room because they probably don't pay for insurance, and it doesn't seem fair that they would have to pay out of state rates for college...

Posted by: PETN Sandwich at September 19, 2007 12:04 AM (XBgRS)

6 Ahhh, what the heck... let's just tear down the fence and let 'em all in! All them cute little fuzzy harmless pitiful, all look! 'dat one has a cute little machete...
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Posted by: PETN Sandwich at September 19, 2007 12:07 AM (XBgRS)

7 This is war , make no mistake. The question is only how we defend ourselves at this point.

Posted by: mbruce at September 19, 2007 12:10 AM (LLCm9)

8 In my opinion, anyone who votes for an amnesty bill should have an immagrant day center created across the street from where they live.

Posted by: McLovin at September 19, 2007 12:16 AM (ipez1)

9 Hey Good News! According to NumbersUSA (one of the groups leading the fight against amnesty) the vote in the Senate could come as early as today (Wednesday the 19th).

So far they only have 18 No votes confirmed. That's 23 short of what we need.

As the famous saying goes, " Civilizations die from suicide, not by murder."

Posted by: Drew at September 19, 2007 12:35 AM (hlYel)

10 Sometimes ya got nothin' but "What the fuck is wrong with you people?!?!"

It's not like sneaking a provision through after it's defeated is unprecedented. This was a definitely a "saw that comin'" moment.

Posted by: Merovign at September 19, 2007 12:39 AM (IaYDo)

It will start with the dream act, then spread to other smaller, incremental bills.

No it won't. It will start with the Dream Act. It will spread to activist judges who legislate from the bench. Congress will do nothing more than sit back, put its collective hands behind its collective heads, lean back in big leather chair, and smile a knowing, self-satisfied smile.

We are truly screwed.

Well said, brother.

Posted by: Paulitics at September 19, 2007 12:56 AM (47+Ys)

12 Also tucked in the back of the bill is a provision that allows each illegal over the age of 16 to have a go at your wife upon entry to the country. It's called the double illegal entry rule. It's like when two negatives make a positive, but in this case the two illegal entries make one legal entry.

Hey, don't get all hysterical you racists, they're required to shower first! Jeebus it ain't like they're allowing teabagging.

Oh, wait. Yup here it is. Teabagging is ok. My mistake.

Hmmmmm....Dirty Sanchezing is ok, too, but only if your name actually is Sanchez. Makes sense, I guess.

Posted by: Warden at September 19, 2007 12:59 AM (rZ5uY)

13 Even worse than the amnesty, the DA is a Direct Attack on U.S. citizenship itself: foreign citizens who are here illegally will be eligible for benefits that were taken from U.S. citizens.

In addition to calling, if you want to actually do something about this that would be extremely effective, go to a campaign appearance by Clinton, Edwards, Richardson, or Obama and ask them this question.

Then, upload their response and publicize it. The goal is to publicly discredit them and make them look as bad as possible. Do that enough times and they'll get the message.

Posted by: TLB at September 19, 2007 01:11 AM (Ewce7)

14 The Dems always squeal like stuck pigs when you use their own words to nail them. Love it.

Posted by: Paulitics at September 19, 2007 01:13 AM (47+Ys)

Ace said: They're just not going to stop with the amnesty, are they?

Well no they are not, did you expect anything different? And when the Dhimmi's get a working majority in the Senate and maybe even the house in NOV 08 expect it to go through thanks to the fools currently running the Republican party.

Posted by: Oldcrow at September 19, 2007 01:21 AM (NV4rE)

16 Back in the early 80's when I was a grad student at UCSD the resident tuition was somewhere around $5K/yr, non-resident/foreign somewhere around $15K/yr.

So these geniuses propose rewarding illegal behavior with preferential treatment over those foreign students and out of state students who come in through the front door right?

Had I not been a CA resident at the time, I would have just declared myself an illegal alien to get the preferred rates.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 19, 2007 01:48 AM (/G4Xe)

17 They're just not going to stop with the amnesty, are they?

Well golly gee. I guess you guys finally catching on then?

The immigration bill passed by unchecked Dems with a filibuster proof majority and signed by the HillBilly will make the one from this year look like a harsh smack-down on illegals.

And that's just going to be the beginning. All the Dem candidates want to sunset the tax cuts. Every single one has a nationalized health care plan - one seventh of our economy is to be nationalized. Surrender in Iraq.

And just wait until you see the loons HillBilly appoints to the SCOTUS - that alone will do more damage than a million Lindsey Grahams. By the end of HillBilly's term the SCOTUS will probably find the right to health care and open borders in the constitution.

But you hotshots sure showed those bad old Republicans didn't ya? Congrats Dumbasses.

Posted by: Uberblick at September 19, 2007 04:40 AM (uM2ti)

And you guys got your panties in a twist over Coulter calling Edwards a fag.

If you're gonna act like a bunch of pussies, expect to get treated that way by the guv'ment.

Posted by: My Fat Ass at September 19, 2007 07:08 AM (q+HK/)

19 So that's what NPR was agitating for last night. I figured there was a reason for the sappy, up-close-and-personal self-interview they ran on a 15-year-old undocumented high-school student—the kind of story they never do on, say, a Christian valedictorian who's not allowed to say "Jesus" in his commencement speech.

Posted by: Rittenhouse at September 19, 2007 07:20 AM (jYkSa)

We need a president who will veto shamnesty.

And that is the major reason I'm not fond of Rudy, I don't think he will.

Posted by: Entropy at September 19, 2007 09:00 AM (m6c4H)

21 Annex Mexico and be done with it. They have nobody of military age to fight us. Well, maybe the well armed drug cartels that operate with impunity. Two birds, one stone.

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 19, 2007 09:05 AM (PjllA)

Annex Mexico and be done with what, Mexico's Guatemalan border security?

We certainly don't have the balls to enforce it.

Posted by: Entropy at September 19, 2007 09:40 AM (m6c4H)

23 Ok, so I was going for the short/stupid answer. I would just like to see a politician throw it out there. Osama Barook wanted to bomb Pakistan(?). Why not float this one.

Posted by: hutch1200 at September 19, 2007 10:04 AM (PjllA)

24 Two places to go: NumbersUSA and GrassFire. Send lots of faxes to the Senators who are most likely to bend.

Posted by: JimK at September 19, 2007 10:21 AM (IgG1V)

25 What's with these random assorted ASCII characters in parentheses at the end of each "Posted by:" line?

Posted by: Rittenhouse at September 19, 2007 10:29 AM (zS9LP)

What's with these random assorted ASCII characters in parentheses at the end of each "Posted by:" line?

Its an identifying tag. Since people can easily change their names, that allows you to see if its the same person or IP posting comments under different names.

Posted by: Buzzion at September 19, 2007 10:36 AM (fs3G2)

27
I'm waiting for the usual suspects to blame the DREAM Act on Tancredo.

Posted by: dave at September 19, 2007 10:44 AM (L+dWw)

28 See the idiot in #17.

Posted by: MlR at September 19, 2007 11:32 AM (mX6h5)

29 The dems are so desperate for 2008 votes.... from the illegals. Another present from George. He pushed so hard, so many times to get amnesty and yet the republicans poll so bad with the hispanic vote. That's a two-fer.

Posted by: sergei at September 19, 2007 11:39 AM (NzupZ)

Yeah uberblick, because the GOP leadership is so warm, wonderful, and anti-amnesty.

Yeah, it's all the fault of democrats.

Sweet Jesus some people are stupid.

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Kaus is very good on immigration, and as a military spouse, he's pretty good on the war too. He had an interesting column a while back that drew convincing parallels between Bush's Iraq policy and his amnesty policy, in that both are hugely risky, and driven by an uptopian belief that all people are lovely and want the same things in life, blah blah blah.

It is easy to believe that when you have a large detachment of the US Secret Service to protect you all the time, and will have for the rest of your life.

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