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| That Tasered DudePink on pink, which is why this won't get all that much play and few "lessons" will be drawn from it. The media just doesn't have any interest in stoking conflicts between the left and hard left; they don't have a "narrative" by which to reduce it to a simple morality play. I mean, if you begin asking questions, you might have to note the left has thuggishly menaced and stage-charged conservative speakers for years, all with official university tacit endorsement. This kid was a whiny bitch and quite frankly probably wanted to get tasered. Still I'm baffled at how security rushes in to arrest and taser a douchebag to prevent him from hurling words at a liberal like John Kerry when they don't seem terribly bothered by lefties lobbing physical objects at conservative speakers. His email address is the rather Beauchampian famouswriterman@aol.com. Yeah, that's the way Hemmingway would have handled it, pal. Then again, Hemmingway sort of gave himself an extreme jolt while "cleaning his taser," so maybe that's not the best sarcastic comparison possible. Oh, and John Kerry just remembered how outraged he was to see a protester treated in this manner. He claims he didn't know about the tasering until later. The whiny bitch is screaming "Why are you tasering me?" and John Kerry didn't notice? I guess he's gotten a little rusty since his days on point. CommentsPosted by: Slublog at September 18, 2007 01:20 PM (R8+nJ) Posted by: z ryan at September 18, 2007 01:21 PM (PDeVA) 3
Dude should be evaluated, immediately. What a freak.
Posted by: nikkolai at September 18, 2007 01:26 PM (B1NVJ) 4
What the hell did this idiot expect? Contrary to popular liberal beliefs, the police are not paid to wrassle around with raving lunatics. If a person repeatedly refuses to obey the comands of a police officer, the police get to jack you up. It's called "public order." What a whiny dumb ass bitch. I hope the cops tazed him a few more times on the ride over to jail just for jollies.
Posted by: Rodney King at September 18, 2007 01:33 PM (cgbny) 5
What're you going to do? Give me a shot?
You're not going to give me a shot, are you? Don't inject me, bro. Ahhhh! Help! Help me! They're injecting me! Help! Help! Can't somebody help me! They're injecting me! Ahhhhhh! Fascists! Faaaascciiisttt! What're you going to do? Give me a lollipop? Posted by: Tasered Guy at the Doctor at September 18, 2007 01:35 PM (aBMz2) Posted by: TXMarko at September 18, 2007 01:35 PM (DimtR) 7
Oh come on. They didn't tase him because of what he said. They asked him to leave because he rushed the mic and wouldn't shut up after being asked. They tried to escort him out when he wouldn't comply with their request to leave. They attempted to arrest him when he fought against the escorted exit. Then they tased him because he resisted arrest. It's a basic progression. I don't see any excessive force in this at all. They did everything they could to keep this twat from being seriously hurt in the execution of their duty. I really can't understand why people insist on misrepresenting the reasons for tasing the dude.
Also, the number of cops has nothing to do with the severity of the dude's supposed crime. One cop could have taken this idiot down. Of course, that cop would have had to use a much greater level of force to do it. The swarm of cops is used to take down one dude with minimal damage to him. Sure, they could have broken his arms to get the cuffs on, but a couple of mild tases does the job just as good, with no lasting harm to the guy. Posted by: Mob at September 18, 2007 01:37 PM (f+cPk) 8
Steel doesn't burn! Taser's don't sting! Countdown to when he is on a talk show? Tonight? Where is Keith? Kemp
Posted by: kempermanx at September 18, 2007 01:39 PM (qvT/A) 9
"Don't taser me, bro!" Nuff said.
Posted by: Michael at September 18, 2007 01:39 PM (BcU6e) 10
John Kerry was for the tasering before he was against it. It took him a while to denounce the tasering because he was waiting for the results of the opinion polls to come in.
Posted by: Tushar D at September 18, 2007 01:40 PM (IlgNp) 11
Is it tased or tasered? Taser is the noun, but what is the verb? Tase? Taser? Does a taser taser? Or does a taser tase? ah fuck it.
Posted by: Mob at September 18, 2007 01:41 PM (f+cPk) 12
Man, how I wish Kerry was running again. On the other hand, he came waaaay too close to becoming President (well, 100 electoral votes would've been too close in my book), so I guess I shoudl be careful what I wish for. Posted by: Some Guy at September 18, 2007 01:43 PM (lPxkl) 13
I'll bet there's going to be a settlement offer by the university before the week is out. It will be at least six figures.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 18, 2007 01:44 PM (/G4Xe) 14
Poor kid is mental, another example of Beauchamp brain. He clearly sufffers from some mental illness with an element of mania or hypomania. His columns are a trip. One of his first pieces for the Alligator was an announcement of how superior his intellect was to any he met on the campus full of stupid people.
He's paranoid, to boot. His actions were odd, mildly alarming, irritating and disruptive. He was asked to give up the spotlight, he wouldn't, and probably couldn't, as he's not right in the head. I'm afraid the tasering was legitimate. Asking him to shut up and depart the mic was. Removing him by force when he didn't comply with requests to STFU was certainly appropriate and the squalling tantrum was grounds for escalating to arrest, cuffing, and, when he still wouldn't settle down, tasering. Poor mr great writer man, not one of the chosen elite truth-finders after all. Posted by: SarahW at September 18, 2007 01:46 PM (wF/xI) 15
This kid won't get a dime. The school should take a close look at whether he should be allowed back on campus. Posted by: mesablue at September 18, 2007 01:47 PM (KCOdQ) 16
I would love to hear from these officers now that Kerry is condemning the arrest. What a fucking retard he is. This obviously disturbed moonbat maybe didn't intend physical harm to Kerry but he didn't fucking know that! Those cops could have potentially saved him from injury. So he comes out against the side of law and order and on the side of someone that could have done him harm. Yeah...it would have been great to have him as President dealing with Iran. Good God, he's an idiot. Posted by: Rosetta at September 18, 2007 01:50 PM (omkIU) 17
I never thought I'd be saying anything pro-Kerry, but in Kerry's defense, he told the cops to leave the guy alone so he could answer his question.
Posted by: Alice H at September 18, 2007 01:53 PM (jRtPb) 18
"Education -- if you make the most of it and you study hard and you do your homework, and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well," said Kerry, a Massachusetts Democrat. "If you don't, you get tasered in the ass." Later, Kerry bactracked, "It was a botched joke." Posted by: hit and run at September 18, 2007 01:54 PM (jjNS6) 19
Is it tased or tasered? Uhh...well if you want to get all formal, I think the verb is "electrocuted". Posted by: Entropy at September 18, 2007 01:55 PM (m6c4H) 20
Fred! would've dug up Thomas Edison, sodomized his corpse until he advocated AC, reinvented electricity, and zapped that wuss with a Tesla Coil.
Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at September 18, 2007 01:57 PM (JefgB) 21
This kid won't get a dime.
This is Florida, not Kansas. We got lawyers up the wazoo here who have wet dreams over a case like this. There was a 16 year old doing felonious shit who got capped by a cop a while ago and the jury made his family instant millionaires. The rules are different here. Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 18, 2007 01:59 PM (/G4Xe) 22
I saw those Private Security Contractors wearing fragmented skulls from that mass grave they uncovered near the University Commons. And we laughed as they tasered one of the deformed retards over in the Engineering building cafeteria.
Don't hate the messenger. Posted by: Dont taser me bro, I'm Beauchamps! at September 18, 2007 02:00 PM (EKMxC) 23
It burns! It burns us! It freezes! Nasty elves twisted it! Take it off us!
Posted by: Gollumchamps! at September 18, 2007 02:05 PM (PDeVA) 24
Was there a skidding Bradley? I liked that part.
Posted by: Some Guy at September 18, 2007 02:05 PM (lPxkl) 25
It might be enlightening to those who back this moonbat to read Michelle Malkin's piece on it today - specifically the input she received from a UF student named Tyler Antar - a law student. It appears about halfway down the page.
Also should be noted that these "cops" were University Police - not professional police officers. At any rate, the Chief of the UF Police requested the FL department of justice review the entire incident (not just what was pictured in the video) to see exactly who was right and who was not. An aside to those trying to educate some of the people commenting on police procedures ... you're wasting your breath. I've tried before; but there are some who just can't get past their innate hatred of cops no matter what you say. They will have an answer to everything just like the moonbats from the other party, and appear to be able to read minds - apparently knowing what all parties were thinking as it happened. Posted by: Bruce at September 18, 2007 02:05 PM (2q+Ss) 26
Just heard on ABC radio news that the police are going to charge him with Resisting Arrest With Violence(?), a felony so they said. plus they are actually playing the full dont-taser-me-bro to the whiny-bitch screams *before* talking over it now. Awesome. Posted by: blogRot at September 18, 2007 02:05 PM (EKMxC) 27
Good thing this didn't happen during his presidential run, or he'd be swaggering down to the nearest gun shop, drawlin' "can I get me a taserin' licence here?" in his best good ol' boy from down home in Cotuit manner. John Forbes Kerry - living proof that someone can actually be a bigger douchenozzle than Ted Kennedy. Like I said to Ace the other night, I don't know why the people of Massachusetts keep sending these two morons back to the Senate, but I'm looking forward to the wails of despair when Splash kicks off and Massachusetts loses a pantload of seniority and federal greenbacks. It'll serve the moonbats right. Posted by: Christopher at September 18, 2007 02:06 PM (SjUPQ) 28
As much as I dislike bores who give long speeches during question-and-answer periods, the cops love tasering way too much.
Posted by: icus at September 18, 2007 02:06 PM (OTNlI) 29
The little bitchy screams, "ow..ow..ow!" always make me laugh.
Posted by: nikkolai at September 18, 2007 02:10 PM (B1NVJ) Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at September 18, 2007 02:11 PM (8bH09) 31
Whence the contempt you all seem to have for this young man? I thought he handled himself acceptably well. And you'll notice that Kerry tried to stick up for him before the police commenced their mobish overreaction, "No, no -- let him speak; I'll answer the question." All I see is another case of unintelligent cops who don't know how to difuse a situation. The only indiviual besides Kerry who tried to stick up for the guy was a girl, screaming in outrage over what was being done to him. The guy was asking Kerry a question. Big deal.
Posted by: Frank Werts at September 18, 2007 02:12 PM (ut3v6) 32
I think it is damn scary that something like that can happen to anyone who asks questions. I recall a lady who asked Senator Hillary Clinton about Juanita Broaddrick. That story is here. So if you have valid media credentials then you can act like a pig (i.e. David Gregory) when you ask questions. But if you are asking controversial questions (even ones from a delusional punk), you can be escorted out. If you resist, you can be arrested or tasered. Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 02:22 PM (aN1/G) 33
Frank Werts, The guy was resisting arrest which is a considerably bigger deal than asking a question. And he wasn't getting arrested for asking a question either. I don't understand anyone defending this asshole's disorderly conduct and willfully ignoring the initial admonitions from the security guards. Even if the guy didn't plan on causing a scene and becoming a youtube star, he's at fault for those two reasons right there. If anyone here is pretending that this guy was just asking questions and was not at fault isn't watching the same video I am. Posted by: Rosetta at September 18, 2007 02:24 PM (omkIU) 34
Frank, So it's ok for a kid with an agenda to rush the microphone because he was too far back in line and then "get his message out" while disrupting the event? Kerry was just trying to save face, he knew how it would look if he didn't address the rants of the little moonbat. The kid was asked what his question was and he said that he would ask a question after he informed the crowd of his views. The cops were standing there because the kid was already out of line. They waited until the kid made a comment about "blowjobs" and then tried to escort him out. He resisted -- violently. They had no choice but to respond in kind. The kid got what he deserved and now he will face felony charges -- as he deserves. It was a planned stunt. He's used to getting away with his little tantrums and enjoys the attention. This time -- he got hit in the face with a big clue bat. Posted by: mesablue at September 18, 2007 02:29 PM (KCOdQ) 35
And he wasn't getting arrested for asking a question either. Why was he being yanked away from the microphone by security? Because a man in a suit (next to the mic) made a gesture to security to remove him (watch the video again). Why was that necessary when Kerry was willing to answer them? I agree, he shouldn't have resisted. But since when is asking questions deemed disorderly conduct? Oh, I see. It is only disorderly because of the paranoia-laced content in the question. It was all over the top. Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 02:32 PM (aN1/G) 36
Mesa, in the video posted, I didn't see him rush the mic. Which video are you viewing? That brings in a different aspect. I didn't see him resist violently. What I saw was him trying to run free of their grabbing him. He had his arms in the air indicating to me that he was showing he didn't have a weapon or wasn't swinging at them. I just kept seeing him trying to rush out of the holds by moving all over the place. Okay, so I'm not in law enforcement and don't know the rules/procedures.
Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 02:36 PM (aN1/G) 37
Belle, Not even close. Have you watched the longer version of the video and read the accounts from people that were actually there? He had done enough to be kicked out before he even started talking. The rest is just icing on the cake. They were being patient with him until he made it obvious that he wasn't going to stop until he got some kind of reaction. He should have been removed the second he pushed past the line waiting to speak and grabbed the microphone. What are we now, a society of spoiled brats who can do whatever they want no matter the consequences? Posted by: mesablue at September 18, 2007 02:37 PM (KCOdQ) 38
Belle, The hands in the air thing is taught at moonbat protest school. It has nothing to do with showing that you have no weapons. He pulled away violently and moved towards the stage before that. Read the witness accounts and get back to us. He did enough to get tossed before the video starts. Posted by: mesablue at September 18, 2007 02:41 PM (KCOdQ) 39
And, my "not even close" comment was directed toward your comment #35, not your reply to me. Not trying to give you a hard time, but if you read about everything this kid did up to that point, you may feel differently about how the university police reacted. Posted by: mesablue at September 18, 2007 02:51 PM (KCOdQ) 40
Mesa, I'm afraid I have never attended moonbat school and wasn't aware that those gestures were symbolic of such. I'm reading the witness accounts now. It appears the videos are being edited to only show one perspective. Unfortunately, that is the one that Ace posted and that I watched. It is also one I watched on a different site yesterday. Perhaps it was a poor rush to judgment based on the evidence presented. I agree with you that rushing the microphone was enough to bring out the security. I stand corrected. Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 02:52 PM (aN1/G) 41
Pik on pink ???
You mean the cops were pink ? Posted by: John Ryan at September 18, 2007 02:52 PM (HG/Xz) 42
Why was he being yanked away from the microphone by security? Because a
man in a suit (next to the mic) made a gesture to security to remove
him (watch the video again).
I think he was signaling to cut the microphone, which is exactly what happened after he made that gesture. Posted by: HAHAHA at September 18, 2007 03:02 PM (Pt3Le) 43
'Shocked' is the right verb. 'Electrocuted' means dead after being shocked and the whiny brat's still kicking.
Posted by: Additional Blond Agent at September 18, 2007 03:03 PM (DQDJU) 44
A Lesson to Draw from this Incident:
Stop making the error of believing that small pieces of video are the whole story, or that the first version you here of an event contains all that is needed to know what happened. Posted by: SarahW at September 18, 2007 03:06 PM (wF/xI) 45
michael medved is talking about this dork right now
Posted by: pajama momma at September 18, 2007 03:09 PM (Tbl5c) 46
Kerry was just trying to save face, he knew how it would look if he didn't address the rants of the little moonbat.
Is Kerry capable of thinking that quickly? Posted by: Alice H at September 18, 2007 03:20 PM (jRtPb) 47
Other Lessons to Draw from this Incident: Lots of people voice opinions based on the evidence presented to them at that time. Everyone at some point has jumped to an erroneous conclusion. People are capable of persuaded when they open their mind and review additional facts as they come to light. (It isn't always necessary to point out the obvious.) Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 03:20 PM (aN1/G) 48
I saw was him trying to run free of their grabbing him When law enforcement personnel grab you, 'tyring to run free' is called resisting arrest. Besides, the first few times he tried to run free he tried to run free back to the mic. Posted by: Steve Jobs at September 18, 2007 03:21 PM (m6c4H) 49
It seemed obvious that he wasn't interested in asking questions because he could have done that peacefully. And in a fashion reminiscent of Jenghis Khan if he wanted. Kerry said he would stay and answer everyone's questions so the guy had no reason to go ape shit. Unless, of course, that's what he was there to do. When it became obvious that the guy was there precisely to cause a disturbance; to have a confrontation with police; to get his attention-starved ass on TV...what do you expect the cops to do? This isn't romper room for God's sake. I'm shocked that there are people here giving this jackass sympathy. It was a simple case of them giving the fucker what he was asking for. This has nothing to do with free speech or his right to question government officials. If anyone believes that you're incredibly naive. Posted by: Rosetta at September 18, 2007 03:21 PM (omkIU) Posted by: Entropy at September 18, 2007 03:22 PM (m6c4H) Posted by: Gollumchamps! at September 18, 2007 03:37 PM (PDeVA) 52
The "he rushed the mic" thing is irrelevant. The cops obviously didn't think that "rushing the mic" was an independent grounds for an arrest.
The only grounds they could possibly have is that he was a trespasser who refused to leave. Property owners have the right to remove anyone at any time for any reason. But they have to notify the guy that they consider him to be a trespasser, and give him the opportunity to leave on his own. That first (female) cop made a real error when she put her hands on him to get him to leave without giving him a verbal instruction to leave. It didn't look like the guy knew the mic was being cut off, and could arguably say that he didn't know why he was being grabbed. They should have cut off the mic, told him that he was being ejected, that if he didn't that he would be a trespasser, and THEN if he didn't leave, remove him forcibly. The fat white cop and the female went straight to the arm-grabbing, thus provoking an exaggerated response. The kid is probably paranoid from too much weed, but the cops should have handled it better. But even then, if that many cops can't escort one skinny college student out of a not-so-crowded auditorium without the use of a taser, they need serious re-training. The arrest for "inciting a riot" is also a complete joke. Posted by: Phinn at September 18, 2007 03:37 PM (DiZv6) 53
When law enforcement personnel grab you, 'tyring to run free' is called resisting arrest.
Not if they have no justification for grabbing you in the first place. Posted by: Phinn at September 18, 2007 03:38 PM (DiZv6) Posted by: Francesco Poli at September 18, 2007 03:39 PM (MuUgM) 55
Actually, they did have justification for their action. This video shows the officers trying to direct Myers away from the microphone before they grabbed him, but he rebuffed them.
As a student of the U of FL, Myers is subject to the Student Guide of conduct. One of the violations outlined in that guide is: s) FAILURE TO COMPLY WITH DIRECTIVE. Failure to comply with a directive of law enforcement or a University official. If he refused to leave after being asked quietly, then they were well within their rights to grab him. Posted by: Slublog at September 18, 2007 03:41 PM (R8+nJ) 56
I didn't see anywhere on any of these videos where they clearly instructed him to leave the room, and gave him an opportunity to leave voluntarily. I saw John Kerry listening to the stupid questions and saying (however meekly) that he would answer them. That gave this stupid, annoying kid a reason to believe that Kerry would respond. They cut off the mic, the kid turned to face the cops, and they went straight in and grabbed his arms. They overreacted.
I'm not saying that they didn't have grounds to eject him from the building. I'm saying that they way they went about doing that was improper. Posted by: Phinn at September 18, 2007 03:52 PM (DiZv6) 57
I'm not saying that they didn't have grounds to eject him from the
building. I'm saying that they way they went about doing that was
improper.
I don't know what else they could have done other than carried him out. The video I just linked to shows him brushing off the police officer who was trying to gently guide him away from the mike twice. This guy was looking for a confrontation, and he got one. Posted by: Slublog at September 18, 2007 03:55 PM (R8+nJ) 58
I'll just say this one more time, the boy ain't right. He's not merely rude and disruptive and showboaty.
Posted by: SarahW at September 18, 2007 04:00 PM (wF/xI) 59
Kerry's throwing the cops under the bus because he really comes off badly in the video. Sure, he says he's happy to answer the question, but then we get two solid minutes of the kid screaming while Kerry blathers in his business as usual monotone. Listen to the part after the tasering and you'll hear Kerry still blabbing with some joke about this kid and the Presidential campaign.
Acoustics have turned this into a Dean Scream moment f0or Kerry and he wants to get out in front of it to control the message. Posted by: mrobvious at September 18, 2007 04:00 PM (8Y/fG) 60
foor=for
Posted by: mrobvious at September 18, 2007 04:01 PM (8Y/fG) 61
I don't have any idea as to where you draw the line on acceptable and unacceptable behavior in a public setting such as this one. My inclination leans towards this kid being on the unacceptable side. All I know is I'd love to violate a whole shitload of his civil rights. Pussies like that rub me the wrong way.
Posted by: Sticky B at September 18, 2007 04:04 PM (0kp42) 62
Phinn, that's not what they did at all. He got the gentle requests and the cut mic first, and an undeserved degree of indulgence of his out-of-turn remarks before that.
Posted by: SarahW at September 18, 2007 04:05 PM (wF/xI) 63
I don't know what else they could have done other than carried him out.
(1) Clear verbal instructions not just to stop talking at the mic, but to leave the building, which looks like they never did, and (2), and body language/positioning that would have controlled the situation better. They teach that stuff at cop school. That female cop skipped over that and went straight to an arm-grab. Even if he was "asking for it," the cops still have to refrain from giving it to him until necessary. The arm grab wasn't necessary at that point, and it wasn't even done effectively. Posted by: Phinn at September 18, 2007 04:07 PM (DiZv6) 64
When a person gets admitted to a hospital, instead of poking a new hole everytime they want to inject the meds, they put in one catheter tube, and inject all the meds throught that one tube. Nice idea. On similar lines, I wonder if electrodes should be grafted on some people to make it easy to taser them as and when necessary. Just a thought. Posted by: Tushar D at September 18, 2007 04:07 PM (IlgNp) 65
"I really can't understand why people insist on misrepresenting the reasons for tasing the dude."
Really? I figure they're trying to squeeze it into some sort of "see how our civil rights are being eroded by Bushitler's fascist regime--they torture everyone who disagrees publicly" narrative. It would work better if the kid hadn't been "challenging" John F-in' Kerry (if only Code Pink had resisted when they got kicked out of the Petraeus hearing!), but six years in they're getting kinda desperate. Posted by: Heather at September 18, 2007 04:10 PM (yG+tb) 66
I agree Sticky B. I wouldn't mind seeing him star in the off-broadway production of The Rodney King Story. If you're asking for trouble, I think you give up your right to cry about how much trouble you get. Posted by: Rosetta at September 18, 2007 04:11 PM (omkIU) 67
Phinn, I don't think they handled the situation all that well, but I think there was clear justification, given university regulation and the kid's action. That's where I'm coming from.
Posted by: Slublog at September 18, 2007 04:12 PM (R8+nJ) 68
He got the gentle requests and the cut mic first
I don't see anywhere he was clearly instructed to leave the building. Maybe instructed to stop asking so many stupid questions, but that's not the same thing as being ejected. You have to tell invitees that they are being ejected, and give them an opportunity to leave voluntarily. Unless they are a threat, but this guy was only threatening to induce douche-chills. Three words after they cut off the mic, the guy turned to face the cops, and they went straight in for the arm grab. It doesn't matter how many indulgences he got before that -- they still have to verbally inform him that he's being ejected, and give him an opportunity to leave. Posted by: Phinn at September 18, 2007 04:14 PM (DiZv6) 69
First, it should be tazered with extra z's for length of time electrocuted. So I'd say this guy got tazzzered. And I think this is a false flag conspiracy, an inside job, to distract us from the positive reports coming out of Iraq. Posted by: abw at September 18, 2007 04:25 PM (FJ/ua) 70
When law enforcement personnel grab you, 'tyring to run free' is called resisting arrest. Unfortunately for the screaming pussy, they had ample reason in the first place. He hops the line, hogs the mike, fillibusters until the mic is cut, refuses several requests by uniformed guards for him to leave, then violently resists escort toward the door, then attempts to re-enter and runs straight through security personnel approaching the stage where Kerry is, then resists more escorting. Then resists having handcuffs put on him. All while screaming and twitching about all bug-eyed talking about Skull & Bones conspiracies. Posted by: Entropy at September 18, 2007 04:31 PM (m6c4H) 71
I didn't see anywhere on any of these videos where they clearly instructed him to leave the room, and gave him an opportunity to leave voluntarily Did you try watching it with your eyes open? I did that once. I bought a new computer moniter and it didn't work so I got all pissed off and called the support line and it turned out I just had my eyes closed. Posted by: Entropy at September 18, 2007 04:32 PM (m6c4H) 72
It didn't look like the guy knew the mic was being cut off, and could
arguably say that he didn't know why he was being grabbed.
In one of the videos on YouTube he says "Thanks for cutting my mic, so, yes, he did know." As for why he was being watched in the first place, here's an e-mail Michelle Malkin got from one of the people who was there: Andrew spoke up after the Dean of International Affairs had stated final question. The final question was being asked about Israel, and then Andrew got on the mic on the other side of the room (noting he was next on the mic), and then proceeded to tell Kerry that its not fair not to be able to ask more questions after listening to him for an hour, and the Dean exclusively asking Kerry questions for another 45 minutes, leaving students 25 minutes to ask questions. At that point, the officers try to subdue him, but Kerry sternly told the police officers to back down. Kerry then asked Meyer if he can finish the other question and then proceed to his. Meyer consented. After the last question was answered, Kerry asked Meyer, what is your question. Then you enter the video that has been circulating around, where he asks his question, So this guy rushed a microphone while someone else was speaking and demanded that he be allowed to ask his question. Then he starts to give a speech and they cut his microphone. While being escorted off the premises, he breaks loose and moves in the direction of the stage where a US Senator is speaking. He did the same thing again just before they took him down. Posted by: HAHAHA at September 18, 2007 04:35 PM (Pt3Le) 73
From the details I've read (who knows how true they are):
1) He thought he was Far Too Important to follow the rules for the Q and A. 2) He asked several tinfoil-hat questions. 3) He resisted the uni cops and refused orders to stand down. 4) He yelled "They're going to kill me!" and/or "They're going to hand me over to Washington!" when uni cops tried to escort him out. 5) He was a huge wuss when being tased. 6) His email name is apparently "famouswriterman," and his website is "THEandrewmeyer" .com Therefore, 7) He is a journalism major. Yep. It proofs out. Posted by: Bender Bending Rodriguez at September 18, 2007 04:39 PM (A/kZv) 74
You lost me on Beauchampian. Please clarify for us not in the know types.
Posted by: ricpic at September 18, 2007 04:40 PM (LwWPi) Posted by: Entropy at September 18, 2007 04:46 PM (m6c4H) 76
I'd pay $8 to watch that in a theater. I'd have to agree that it is far more entertaining than any of the crapola that Hollywood produces these days. Not sure it is worth 8 bucks, but it has made me laugh all day. Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 04:56 PM (aN1/G) Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 05:02 PM (aN1/G) 78
Posted by: ConservativeBelle at September 18, 2007 05:02
The applause from the crowd when they started escorting him out tells you a lot. It's clear he was considered a nuisance by this crowd of Kerry supporters, and you can clearly see him break free and go toward the stage as soon as they started escorting him out. Game over. Posted by: John at September 18, 2007 05:12 PM (Pt3Le) 79
On similar lines, I wonder if electrodes should be grafted on some people . . .
I've seen it done on rabbits. Posted by: dave at September 18, 2007 05:20 PM (L+dWw) Posted by: abw at September 18, 2007 05:30 PM (FJ/ua) 81
And WHAT was it I said in #25 about people NOT FUCKING READING past the early reports before trying to make an informed opinion?
I specifically pointed out the email Michelle Malkin got from the law major kid who was right there. Phinn, ConservativeBelle, et all ... did you READ any of that? No? Figures. Posted by: Bruce at September 18, 2007 05:48 PM (2q+Ss) 82
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Cripes, what a wuss that kid is. I am sorry, but he deserves a beat-down just for being such a nancy-boy.
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Bruce, as I thoroughly explained, I don't give a flying fuck how much of an asshole the Meyer guy is, or how much you may have wanted to pound his ass for his obnoxious behavior before the cameras rolled, or how annoyed the other people there were.
As I thoroughly explained, none of that fucking matters. If it matters at all, it matters only as to the motive that the cops or the event organizer or the school or John F'ing Kerry may have had for wanting Meyer to be removed, which means precisely nothing. As I thoroughly explained, these people had every fucking right to have Meyer removed. They own and/or control the property, and as far as I am concerned, property rights trump all. They did not NEED a reason in order to eject him. They could have ejected him for wearing a blue shirt. They could have ejected him for being a Truther. They could have ejected him for having a mom named "Bruce." In case this does not get through your skull, what I am saying is that could have ejected him for any reason or no reason at all. But if they wanted to eject him, regardless of the reason, regardless of how much of an asshole that some random law student fuck thinks that Meyer was being before the cameras started rolling, the God-damned motherfucking law is that when you eject an invitee, you have to give him notice that he is now a trespasser and an opportunity to leave voluntarily before you can use physical force against him. "One who is lawfully in charge of premises, and has requested another to leave whom he or she had a right so to request, may lawfully use as much force as is necessary to remove such other, after allowing the person a reasonable time to depart. "One ejecting a trespasser will be guilty of an assault if he or she uses more force than is necessary, as when he or she uses a dangerous or deadly weapon. "The owner is not ordinarily justified in assaulting the trespasser where the latter is willing to leave the premises." -- Corpus Juris Secundum ASSAULT section 115. The female cop grabbed his arm when he had just finished his question, and had done nothing at that point but turn around to face them, when they had not (as far as any videos show) clearly instructed him to leave the room. (Although they may have been motioning him and/or telling him to shut the fuck up, that's not the same thing as "you have to leave the room immediately.") Got it? No? Figures. Posted by: Phinn at September 18, 2007 07:40 PM (DiZv6) 86
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Ummm...allow me to rephrase that. What I meant to say was, "yeah, what Phinn says!"
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Phinn please, CJS does not apply to law enforcement. You are ignoring his obvious intent to cause a disturbance. The school was well within it's rights to remove him and as soon as he started resisting they are obligated to use reasonable force to detain him. They probably would have just escorted him off the premises until he threw his tantrum. Posted by: mesablue at September 18, 2007 08:07 PM (KCOdQ) 89
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Jesus, Phinn ... Is there something amiss with your reasoning ability? Look - as mesablue pointed out - the rules of trespass do NOT apply in a situation like this - a college forum. As another already pointed out, the college has rules of conduct for forums. The douchebag violated those rules. Prior notice of violation does not apply here. Not, in fact, does your quote of "trespass" - which in most jurisdictions is defined as "entering or remaining UNLAWFULLY - with INTENT to COMMIT A CRIME within." Obviously the douchebag did not enter unlawfully, and it would appear to reasonable people that he did not have intent to commit a crime, but only attract attention to himself by being an asshole. In my first post on this subject, I thought I was clear that these were university cops and not trained professional police officers. Could the situation have been better handled? Sure. Would it have been had there been actually cops present? Absolutely. But here you had university cops who probably get paid $15 bucks an hour, and to expect them to roll around on the floor with an obviously trained rabble rouser is a bit much in MY book. Have YOU ever been in a situation where you had to control a disturbed individual? I would guess not. Could be wrong, but there ya go. I think if you had you'd have a different outlook on the use of a tazer. You disagree. That's fine - we'll agree to disagree. BTW, this subject is on TV all over tonight, with a number of videos taken of the entire incident - not the short one this moron wanted the world yo see. On Nancy Grace's show there were numerous eyewitnesses who stated emphatically that the entire episode with the pile on and tazering took all of maybe 20 seconds. Nobody was hurt - the primary idea of even using a tazer - and the moron walked off perfectly fine. It was reported also that during the ride to the station the moron told the cops he bore no malice towards them "you were just doing your job." Posted by: Bruce at September 18, 2007 09:56 PM (2q+Ss) 92
Belle,
Now, the not-so-courteous side of me will tell you to take your condescending ass off your shoulders and get over it. How would you like your crow? I have some I can share with you. There was no condescension intended in my remarks you responded to - I was making the point that all of the questions you and Phinn had about the incident were addressed directly at Michelle's blog. Things do tend to happen quickly here, and I did not consider someone may have been responding without getting a chance to read other messages that might have cleared things up. For that I am sorry. Posted by: Bruce at September 18, 2007 10:04 PM (2q+Ss) 93
Comment 22 is surely a parody of "Howl" by 60s druggie Allen Ginsburg: I saw those Private Security Contractors wearing fragmented skulls from that mass grave they uncovered near the University Commons. And we laughed as they tasered one of the deformed retards over in the Engineering building cafeteria.
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Everyone looks stupid here... the cops were unprofessional and should have been able to handle this dweeb, but he resisted and deserved the tasing... especially after saying "Don't tase me bro!" WTF!? If anyone ever says that, under any circumstances, it's your duty to drop what you're doing to go out and find a taser and tase him.
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I stand by my earlier remark that the boy isn't right in the head; however, I'm pretty sure he can be placed on the personality disorder end of the nutso spectrum, as opposed to the tragic schizophrenic end.
He likes to film his own practical jokes. Apparently he was aping craziness as a practical joke...deliberately alarming and annoying people for his own amusement. Act crazy, be taken for crazy. I hope they expel this brat. Posted by: SarahW at September 19, 2007 07:06 AM (wF/xI) 96
Initially I felt the campus police handled it poorly, but the video that sublog linked to in #55 clearly shows the female office putting her hand on his back and saying something to him to which he brushes her off and continues with his questions. As far as I'm concerned at that point he has made it clear he isn't going to obey their commands and it's "game on!!"
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Civil disobedience is gay. Plus, I'm sick of people who've never thought for two seconds when you should and shouldn't taser someone recoiling in horror at something that is always disturbing to see whether legally justified or not. Cf. Rodney "Motorist" King's beatdown.
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