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Giuliani Times: Rudy Demands Same Deep Discount MoveOn Got From NYT

Nice stunt, but who reads the NYT anymore?

Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani (R) said Thursday that he is asking The New York Times for the “same heavily discounted rate they gave MoveOn.org” for his campaign to run an ad in Friday’s paper.

Giuliani, calling MoveOn.org’s controversial “General Betray Us” ad “abominable,” said his campaign is asking the paper for a comparable rate for an ad to run following President Bush’s speech on Iraq.

The former mayor said his ad “will obviously take the opposite view” from MoveOn.org, which argued in its ad that Gen. David Petraeus is “cooking the books” on Iraq and cherry-picking facts that support his recommendation to keep a large number of troops in Iraq for some time.

Giuliani continued to include Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton (D-N.Y.) in his criticisms for her comments that it would take “a willing suspension of disbelief” to accept at face value Petraeus’s report on the situation in Iraq. Giuliani interpreted Clinton’s remarks at a hearing earlier this week as questioning the general’s integrity.

“We think that her attack on Gen. Petraeus was a follow-up to the MoveOn.org/Times attack,” Giuliani told reporters in Atlanta.

Here's why I like Rudy, and keep pimping him, despite his obvious flaws: He's a prick. My kind of prick. To all the right assholes. I'm a little weary of the "above the fray" model of the Presidency favored by Bush. The President is a political actor and should behave as one, not pretend that such base disputes are beneath his stature.

In related news, Ken Wheaton of AdAge calls for those promoting the stupid "pro-Rudy/pro-Republican" ads to grow up and accept they're 1) not funny and 2) not fooling anybody.

The only people who seem to have believed this is the Brain Trust of wannabe-chicks at Wonkette. But then they have a history of "falling" for transparent scams.

Fred Frags The Freaks: Thompson unloads on MoveOn now, too.

The AV Club: Rudy's audio, Fred's video.

Posted by: Ace at 04:33 PM



Comments

1 Hmmm.  I am a Thompson man for this race so far, but I must confess that if Rudy keeps up these sorts of stunts, I might ditch Fred.


Posted by: Carl in N.H. at September 13, 2007 04:37 PM (np5R1)

2

I hope everyone lines up for ads at that rate.

Look at NYT's stock chart for the last 5 years:

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NYT&t=5y

Posted by: Altair Dave at September 13, 2007 04:40 PM (iZlN1)

3

This is what you get with Rudy. He's not going to play nice ever. It's great for us, red meat and all, but over time it alienates people.

That said, he needs to make Hillary commit one way or the other: If she were President, would she fire Petreaus, being as he's a liar and all?

Posted by: spongeworthy at September 13, 2007 04:42 PM (uSomN)

4

Good point, I think that we should rank the RNC candidates based on how hard core they defend Petraues.

So, far McCain (!) and Rudy seem to have gotten some good jabs.  Where is Romney and Thompson?

I want the next candidate to rhetorically eat weasels like the Clintons for breakfast and to figuratively shit stool bigger than Edawrds.

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2007 04:43 PM (X4wDb)

5 Here's why I like Rudy, and keep pimping him, despite his obvious flaws: He's a prick. My kind of prick. To all the right assholes.

 Bingo.  I like Fred for the same reason.  Of course, I'm not a huge social con so their issues in those areas don't bother me as much as they would others.  I don't mean to imply there's anything improper about the social cons raising their concerns, that's fine, I just mean that their first tier issues aren't the same as mine.

Pretty much anyone on the Right whom the Times hates as much as they Rudy is good in my books, Pat Buchanan excepted. 

Though here's a question for my fellow morons, do you still consider Buchanan to be a major player on the Right?  I don't and not just because he doesn't get to be on my team.  I think he tipped right over into insane nutbag land with the LaRouchians awhile ago.  I can see why the media would want to portray him that way but I pretty much ignore anything he says.  And outside the MSM, I don't see him as being a player in the discussions, though I'll admit that this may be because I mentally filter out any reference to what he's said. 

Posted by: alexthechick at September 13, 2007 04:47 PM (SHHaV)

6

>>and to figuratively shit stool bigger than Edawrds

I doubt you will find a bigger piece of shit than Edwards.

Posted by: Tushar D at September 13, 2007 04:48 PM (IlgNp)

7

Here's why I like Rudy, and keep pimping him, despite his obvious flaws: He's a prick. My kind of prick. To all the right assholes.

Dicks fuck assholes too.

Posted by: john at September 13, 2007 04:49 PM (UBPMC)

8

Alex,

I am new here. Who is Pat Buchanan?

*don't answer that. The question was rhetorical.

Posted by: Tushar D at September 13, 2007 04:51 PM (IlgNp)

9 do you still consider Buchanan to be a major player on the Right?

The fact that he's on MSNBC tells you all you need to know about him these days.

Posted by: forged rite at September 13, 2007 04:58 PM (2YCJj)

10 do you still consider Buchanan to be a major player on the Right?

No for two reasons.

First, I don't think he's a major player period. Just an old grumpy  has been.

Second, he's not really on the 'Right' any more but more like the loony fringe Far Right. Once William F. Buckley reads you out of the conservative movement, you're out of polite company and in the woods with your crazy deadenders.

Posted by: Drew at September 13, 2007 04:59 PM (hlYel)

11 That said, he needs to make Hillary commit one way or the other

Hillary voted to confirm him and he's done nothing he said he wouldn't do since getting the job.  This is all that needs to be pointed out.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at September 13, 2007 05:00 PM (VNLlR)

12

So, far McCain (!) and Rudy seem to have gotten some good jabs.  Where is Romney and Thompson?

Maybe Ace added the link before you posted, but there you go.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2007 05:01 PM (plsiE)

13 Exactly, Rudy's the only guy tough enough to beat both the Dems and the jihadis.

Posted by: TallDave at September 13, 2007 05:02 PM (oyQH2)

14 You know how I know you're gay, Ace?

My kind of prick. To all the right assholes.

Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at September 13, 2007 05:02 PM (JLI/R)

15

So if the NYTimes doesn't offer that rate to every other political cause seeking the discount, doesn't the discount provided to MoveOn.org count as a contribution? My understanding is that it would have to be disclosed as such, unless there's something I'm overlooking, and I'm curious what limitations they would have per contributions of $100K to such organizations.

Sound to me like 60% off is the new going rate...

Posted by: redherkey at September 13, 2007 05:03 PM (IAf5e)

16

 

In other words, he's the dick that can fuck the pussies and the assholes.

 

Posted by: TallDave at September 13, 2007 05:03 PM (oyQH2)

17 In other words, he's the dick that can fuck the pussies and the assholes.

Talk about wide ranging and colorful!

Posted by: Drew at September 13, 2007 05:05 PM (hlYel)

18 I have a political crush on Fred and Rudy right now, because they are smacking that Dem ass.

Posted by: Stormy70 at September 13, 2007 05:06 PM (Y+o71)

19

  Game.  Set.  MIZZATCH!

For Rudy!

Fred is old and looking old.  McCain is McCain.  Romney, yeah, I'd buy a car from him and be pissed the next two weeks about it.

Posted by: Judd at September 13, 2007 05:14 PM (JB0d8)

20 What they did is blatantly illegal, the Dems have no shame stealin money any way they van.Why not, they keep getting away with it
http://karlmaher.blogspot.com/2007/09/moveonorg-and-ny-times.html

Posted by: mbruce at September 13, 2007 05:18 PM (LLCm9)

21

I really have gotten tired of republicans just sitting back when they should be attacking the dems for ALL their B.S. Good god it's right out there in front of everyone and they should be smacking them around for their childish partisan overthe top, communist, tree huggin, absolutley un american garbage....

Hit them with all the ammo they've given you for the past years.

Go Rudy and Go Fred..may the best man win

Posted by: Bosk at September 13, 2007 05:18 PM (+aNmG)

22

Rudy/Fred 08 Taking names and kicking ass.

Now that is a something we can get behind.

Posted by: Lou at September 13, 2007 05:24 PM (DngOs)

23 If Rudy gets right with the Lord on guns, he may be my guy. For the same reasons Ace likes him. The Republicans act like there is some un-written rule that you have to play nice. Against the Hillary machine, that will get your dick cut off. (mention of dick, I must be gay, too.)

Posted by: Mikeyslaw at September 13, 2007 05:28 PM (yrptY)

24

Ah, thanks, Fantastic Fred manages to put up a nice one too.  And he looks younger and spritlier than I thought possible. 

Where's my main man Romney?

Oh, Buchanan gets no nod from me.  I like my cons, social and fiscal, but you can't be a con without being fiscally conservative  (that is, no isolationists or other departures from the capitalist standard).

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2007 05:28 PM (X4wDb)

25

"I'm a little weary of the "above the fray" model of the Presidency favored by Bush."

Amen. No one could smack down blindingly stupid questions from the MSM like Mayor Giuliani. I saw him really flame some of these pompous morons.

Other than that he is just another New York liberal. He is anti 2'nd amendment, pro illegal immigration, and a liar.

He supposedly "supports the war", whatever that menas in Giuliani-speak. I will not vote for him - period. 

Posted by: Mark at September 13, 2007 05:29 PM (AUvbM)

26

Keep watching the Fred video.

Some Einstein figured out how to let his campaign videos string together, autoplaying. My lazy ass let his MoveOn harangue keep going and before you know it, I'm watching the cutest Thompson family clips. He'll get about a jagillion soccer moms with that stuff...

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at September 13, 2007 05:36 PM (uOvAE)

27 Edwards would make a very comely slick stool bobbing in the bowl.

Posted by: ricpic at September 13, 2007 05:38 PM (sHJlf)

28 Speaking of teh ghey, Cuffy, "cute family clips" ????

Unless by "cute" you mean clips of Fred getting down with Mrs. Thompson, which would be cute like a Viking.


Posted by: Carl in N.H. at September 13, 2007 05:41 PM (np5R1)

29

...do you still consider Buchanan to be a major player on the Right?

I never did. 

I've always seen him as a straw man that the left holds up as a charicature-esque image of the right; sort of a less than subtle way of saying "So, you're a conservative?  *This* is what *you* look like...", in hopes that we will become so disgusted with ourselves that we just give up.

And the thing is, he's such a bozo that he doesn't even know it - a useful idiot in a bazzaro sort of way.

Posted by: fretless at September 13, 2007 05:51 PM (twzGk)

30 bizarro.  whatever.

Posted by: fretless at September 13, 2007 05:54 PM (twzGk)

31 Oh, Buchanan gets no nod from me.

Me neither.  I expect a right-winger to be patriotic, and I like my patriots to be the sort that, you know, take America's side in World War II, for example.

Posted by: sandy burger at September 13, 2007 05:58 PM (PQyeQ)

32 c'mon, Carl---Jeri Thompson just went from "trophy wife" to "MILF" with that vid.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at September 13, 2007 06:01 PM (uOvAE)

33 Fred needs to pull his goddam pants down a bit - he's got that old-man pants too high in the front look going - not very Presedential.

Posted by: holdfast at September 13, 2007 06:03 PM (Gzb30)

34

Where's my main man Romney?

Circling the drain while trying to figure out whether he has an opinion whether the surge is working or not.

Rudy is a pretty good scrapper, unfortunately he's so close to the Democrats politically that there's really not that much for him to scrap about.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2007 06:05 PM (plsiE)

35

dammit,

So much negativity.  Why did Wash Post have to flex its muscles and take George Allen away?

Fine, Romney needs a boost.  I guess supporting our troops, the war, etc. isn't popping into his head.  These are the sort of things primary voters should look for. 

Family clips?  Huh? 

Posted by: joeindc44 at September 13, 2007 06:11 PM (X4wDb)

36 HP, he's so close to the dems politically.  You have got to be kidding.  He has been the only one to go after the dems in all the debates, he consistently slams the dems on only the most important topic of our generation....terrorism.  Strict constructionist on judges, which protects the 2nd amendment and goes against Roe v Wade.  Tax cutter.  I'm not sure what your looking for.

Posted by: Judd at September 13, 2007 06:15 PM (JB0d8)

37 Rudy has to keep walking the fine line of being tough and not being too abrasive.

Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at September 13, 2007 06:18 PM (G2vHw)

38 Neo Neocon has written a two part post putting this ad into an interesting historical perspective.   It’s an example of putting the Vietnam analogy to good use, I think she really shows here how this should be done. The link is to part 2, the link to part one is handy at the top.

Link

Posted by: DC at September 13, 2007 06:23 PM (GBtp7)

39

Judd,

Strict constructionist on judges, which protects the 2nd amendment and goes against Roe v Wade.  Tax cutter.  I'm not sure what your looking for.

In the first debate he completely lost credibility on the judges and federalism issues when he wouldn't give a firm opinion on whether Roe v Wade should be overturned. 

I understand he's pro-choice (and it really doesn't bother me much), but even so someone who says he'd appoint constructionist judges should be able to acknowledge one of the most famous activist rulings in modern history as a mistake.  Instead he gave a wishy-washy, non-committal answer about it.  As such I'm not confident someone with such a RINO past would follow through.

 

Posted by: Hollowpoint at September 13, 2007 08:11 PM (plsiE)

40

We can't even get him to say the right things in the Republican primary - like Hollowpoint I don't see him following through.

And it is easy to "talk tough" in the War on Terror - Bush has done plenty - much harder to actually perform. Let alone with a busted military and traitorous opposition.

Posted by: MlR at September 13, 2007 08:16 PM (FufPr)

41 I'm glad Giuliani is in the race just so he'll say this kind of thing and the press is forced to listen to him and print it. He can say pretty much anything he wants and they will have to deal with it. Too bad more Republicans won't do that.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at September 13, 2007 08:18 PM (wmgz8)

42 The bad guys wont like Rudy, they never have.

Posted by: SaudiHater at September 13, 2007 08:51 PM (zXDhJ)

43 I'm wavering between Rudy and Fred.  They both seem to Get It (and no, I'm not talking about Mrs. Thompson).

Their social conservative credentials mean less than nothing to me.  That's deck chairs on the Titanic stuff.  THE issue, the only issue, is the war with Islam.  With a President actually willing to fight to win, we can argue later about giving guns to unborn babies or gays praying in schools.  Lose the war, and those things won't matter because we'll be too busy dying.

Posted by: Trimegistus at September 13, 2007 09:29 PM (aHeFG)

44

Ace,

You are a political science genius. For years I have been trying to figure out why I vote for one type a candidate and not another. Was it their hair, wardrobe, manner of speaking, positions on issues? You finally said what my subconscious has been screaming - "He's a prick. My kind of prick. To all the right assholes." It ought to be an AoS Bumper Sticker. 

Posted by: DL From Heidelberg at September 14, 2007 03:13 AM (vdcdn)

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Posted by: the john at September 14, 2007 06:33 AM (lO8Xg)

46

Fred needs to pull his goddam pants down a bit - he's got that old-man pants too high in the front look going - not very Presedential.

I think you've hit the nail on the head with that observation.  Somebody with the right connections needs to forward that to Jeri.

Posted by: blogRot at September 14, 2007 11:35 AM (EKMxC)

47 Their social conservative credentials mean less than nothing to me. That's deck chairs on the Titanic stuff.

No, it's the open bulkheads and a slow leak in the bottom of the Titanic stuff. The sinking is slow and hard to perceive, but just as sure in the long run, and harder to fix the longer we go.

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