1 Well, you never know when the AFP is going to show up looking to take a picture.

2

The box of bullets doesn't scare me.  What were they doing or going to do with the explosives?

3 I'd be surprised if SC has a gun registration requirement.

4

But what's on the "breaking news" banner over at CNN.com?  Larry Craig.

ABCnews.com?  Larry Craig.

Foxnews.com?  Missing blonde college student.

No Hsu stories on any of them either.  bizarre

5 why were they carrying bullets?

Why, to aggressively and firmly throw them, of course!  Geez, if it's good enough for our military, it's good enough for our students.

6

Can aliens buy guns in America? I'm talking about temporary ones like those with student visas, not those who are immigrating (legally).

I've always seen the question "are you a US citizen" on the forms and wondered what would happen if I said "No".

7

Move along folks....Nothing to see here....Move along....

8

http://www.atf.gov/firearms/faq/faq2.htm#b5

Ask.com is your friend.

B5) Are there certain persons who cannot legally receive or possess firearms and/or ammunition

Yes, a person who –

(5) Is an alien illegally or unlawfully in the United States or an alien admitted to the United States under a nonimmigrant visa;

So no, they can't own a gun as they are here on student (nonimmigrant) visas.

9

Veeshir,

In certain states, all you have to be is a resident to legally purchase a firearm.  I was able to obtain a permit to buy a handgun in NC, even when I was a student on a visa.  However, you must be a citizen to even apply for a conceal carry.

10 EC, as I read that link, it seems to say they can't even own ammo.

11 No one at Walmart asks for your immigration status when you purchase ammo.

12 I assume that they were found with ammunition, not just bullets.

13 Resident aliens can legally purchase firearms, usually they must also possess a valid hunting license to do so.

But that really only gets enforced on sales by an FFL, and furhter assumes that the buyer actually self reports as an alien. Otherwise the seller just needs to see a valid picture ID and driver licenses to not list residency or nationality.

Private sales place the burden on the buyer - the seller is not required to obtain proof of citizenship. Although if the sellers knows the buyer is a prohibited purchasor (underage, illegal, felon, etc) and procedes with the transfer he could be in deep trouble.

Most places in the US (including Florida) do not have any sort of weapons registry and private sales between indviduals are not in any way tracked - it would be real easy for these two to buy a gun from a classified ad in the local fishwrap.

14 Er.

Driver licenses do not list...

15 Or someone, like a resident, bought it for them.

16

EC,

you are a furriner? I did not know that. Where are you from?

17

Watch em play pass the buck.  Oh, and I'm so pleased that pali and libyan students feel so "at home" and "normal" at USF.

USF Prez Disses Chertoff's DHS

University of South Florida president Judy Genshaft on the arrrests of the two USF students in Goose Creek ... almost as rough as Michelle on Chertoff and DHS re Goose Creek today.

"Big universities have big challenges," she said. "But listen, the (students) were allowed in by Homeland Security. What are you going to do?"

On the USF campus, such courthouse matters seemed a world away for students lost in the excitement of a new school year. Multicultural groups performed choreographed dances outside the Marshall Center to recruitmembers. Students talked to colleagues about new classes and new friends. Professors prepared new lectures.

Some students didn't even know about the explosives case.

"On campus there has been no discussion, and I have heard no reaction from faculty members," said Jamil Jreisat, a public administration and political science professor.

Students said they felt comfortable, safe and grateful to be on a diverse campus.

"I feel at home," said Fufu Rum, 19, a sophomore originally from Palestine. "I love this place."

Both Genshaft and Wilcox said they value the 1,434 international students on campus and strive to make all students feel welcome.

"I feel comfortable," said Huda Biuk, 16, a freshman communications major whose family is from Libya. "Everyone seems pretty normal."

http://www.riehlworldview.com/carnivorous_conservative/2007/09/usf-prez-disses.html

18

Tush,

I thought we went over this.  I'm originally from Canada, though not a Scandi.  I have no Canadian accent and know enough American trivia to successfully blend into the population.  The only giveaway to my identity is when I write papers and I use words like "colour" or "neighbourhood".  I still write those words like how I was taught:  the Queen's English.

I'm married now with children to an American who thought my Canuckiness was a novelty.  I just became a naturalized citizen this past Valentine's Day so I'm officially "one of them".  I guess I can vote and hide guns on my person without fear now.

19 The primers can be used to make a detonator for a secondary (high) explosive.

20

EC,

yes, I remember it now. You did mention it. Still, you are white. That makes you a non-threatening foreigner. You ain't scary unless you are brown.

21

People are surprised to find out that I'm Canadian.  I suppose I still am, until I renounce my Canadian citizenship.  I'm working on that.  The US does not acknowledge dual citizenship; you are American or you aren't.  I can no longer enter the US on my Canadian passport, which would be a felony now.  That doesn't bother me.

 

You ain't scary unless you are brown.

 

I tan easily!

22

Eh, there is nothing to get excited about here.  The ammo is easily explained.  Kids nowdays like to wear those bullet belts.  You know, you go to the bars and you see the hipsters wearing those things.  Nobody bats an eye.

So clearly what we have here is a case where two kids were just too poor to afford a premanufactured bullet belt.  But those plucky kids didn't let that stop them!  They went out and decided to make their own, homemade bullet belts.

So they were out comparison shopping for bullets, bought a few, and were on the way home to sew them up.

And then some racist, reichwing chickenhawk* cop stops them just for the crime of DWB (driving while black/brown.  I'm not sure if I'm supposed to call them black or brown.  Either way, that white cop was racist.)

Did they have a gun-rack in the back of their car?  I don't think so.  Which proves that they simply wanted the bullets for innocent purposes.

*If this cop wants to be such a tough guy and oppress minorities and muslims, why doesn't he go to Iraq and do this?  Huh?  I'll bet he supports the troops.  Yeah, right.  Just what I thought.  Just another chickenshit chickenhawk. Nothing is stopping him from going to Iraq.  So why isn't he there?  Huh?  Why not, wingnuts?  WHY THE FUCK NOT!!!111???////

CHICKENHAAAAAAAAKS11111!!!!!111!!1!!!!!11

23

EC:  The US does not acknowledge dual citizenship; you are American or you aren't.   

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, but I don't think this is correct.  Yeah, I know the oath says foreswear all former allegiences, but court decisions made that unenforceable.

For example, I know of dual U.S./Israeli citizens.  And some other dual nationals. U.S./South Korean, etc.

From what I understand, some countries refused to recognize when their former citzens renounced their old citizenship, especially for things like registering for the draft, military service, etc.

So the courts in their *infinite* wisdom said esentially that it would be unfair and unenforceable to do this, and so basically got rid of making people foreswear any other citizenship.

Cuz who are we to act so judgemental?  That would be bad, and not showing tolerance.

24

Ed,

I'm going by what I, and the rest of the room full of new Americans, were told by the senior immigration officer.  He specifically said that the US does not recognize dual citizenship, even though a person may hold citizenship from another country.  You can be a citizen of two countries, but the US only sees you as an American or other, not American-Canadian in my case.

When I took my oath, I remember saying that I had to foreswear all other allegiences.  I'm not sure if that means citizenship, but I know that I can't call myself a Canadian-American.

25

Yeah, I hear you, EC.  I think it just comes down to the judicial and executive branches giving kinda conflicting rulings in these case.

Or I could be completely wrong.  Wouldn't be the first time.  But I remember reading about how courts were issuing, or had issued rulings that seemed to making that foreswearing all allgiences sort of symbolic.

But unless some immigration lawer judge decides to chime in here on this thread, I don't have anything else to contribute.

 

26 ThomasD,
But when was the last time you saw one advertised in a fishwrap? All that I know of are afraid of the lawsuits that would come if someone misused it.
My guess is this code for "we hate them and if we don't let people advertise them for sale we are doing the public a favor"

27 EC, the only reason we couldn't tell you were Canuckistani was that you hide your eh's at the end of your sentences, and have managed to refrain from calling anyone a hoser.   Your flapping head would be a dead giveaway if we ever saw you in person.

28

Maybe they were going to a training camp where it's required that you supply your own ammo for practice purposes.

Maybe they were delivering to another bad actor.

Maybe they were planning to seed an explosive device with other smaller explosive devices.

Maybe they somehow managed to hide/dump the weapons of which they had posession.

Maybe they had weapons pre-placed at their target or destination.

There are lots of other possibilities, but because of these persons immigration status the reasonable possibilities seem less likely.

29

Yes, I've been trained very well by my Canuck masters.  I no longer watch curling on tv, eat maple syrup, or listen to Anne Murray.  My flapping head was surgically attached to my body so that I look just like all of you.  My memories of the French language have been purged from my brain.

I am a sleeper cell.

30 But when was the last time you saw one advertised in a fishwrap

Monday, but that's the last time I actually turned a newspaper page, so it could just as well have been yesterday or today if I tripped over a free copy.

Specifically it was the Couer D'Alene News Press, but just as easily could have been The Spokesman Review or the regional dead-tree shopper The Nickelsworth.

Or for that matter The Tampa Tribune, or Sarasota Herald Tribune. I'm from Sarasota and I've bought and sold guns through them in the past. But maybe they've stopped accepting those listings, although I doubt it considering the need for revenue and heavy competition from Craigslist and such.

Personally when I sell a handgun I do ask for ID and make up a bill of sale for my own records, just in case it gets found next to a body the following week...

Man, what police state do you live in?

31 On the dual-citizenship status debate: Officially dual-status isn't recognized by the US government.

Unofficially, dual citizenship can be a pain in the rump.  I have American and Filipino citizenship (American parents stationed at Clark AFB, Philippines).  The Filipino government is one of those that doesn't end claims to their citizens.

This made it all sorts of fun trying to get my birth certificate from INS so I could try to join the Army a few years ago, since the Moros were acting up at the time and the Filipinos still had claim on me.

32 My memories of the French language have been purged from my brain.

We all should be grateful for such blessings.

But lets face it, put a plate of poutine in front of you and you'll crack like a walnut.

33 ThomasD,
I am not trying to pick a fight, but yes the Bradenton Hearld, and the Sarasota HT refuse to accept ads for firearms, Sarasota quit a long time ago, B'town about 10 years back. When did you flee the sunshine state?
I have also noticed that most of the papers I have seen in the east are the same.
I have been thinking about Wyoming, as a retirement destination. If of course I can't get a place in the keys. Fishing and family are the only reason I am here.

34 Vmaximus,

Sorry if my response seemed aggressive - I did not think your question was anything other than polite inquiry, and I was just providing as much detail as possible.

I left Florida over 10 years ago, probabaly the last time I listed a firearm in the classifieds down their would have been the early 1990s. Saddened to hear they have succumbed to hoplophobia, but that area has definitely changed. The west (I've lived in MT, AZ, and now ID) has not quite gotten that bad.

My only advice regarding WY is don't buy anything sight unseen. Portions of the State are heaven on earth (wind river range, to name one) but other areas more closely resemble the surface of the moon.

Strangly enough it is family in Florida (mine and my wives') that appear to be bringing us back east in the near future. Although I refuse to reside in Florida again so am drawing a personal line in the sand at the southern end of the appalachians...

35 In certain states, all you have to be is a resident to legally purchase a firearm.  I was able to obtain a permit to buy a handgun in NC, even when I was a student on a visa.  However, you must be a citizen to even apply for a conceal carry.

Actually that is not true in Georgia. you can get a conceal carry permit without being a citizen. I have a coworker who has his. it is a pretty substantial loophole.

36 In some states that 'loophole' is entirely intentional and meant to account for temporary/seasonal residents who may not qaulify for 'legal' resident status.

I seem to recall that at one point it was easier for Ohio resident (or was it Michigan) to get a CCW in Florida, which would then be recognized in their home state, than actually get one in their home state.

37 ThomasD,
No apology required.
Don't get me wrong, I keep moving back here, I love Fla, but it was hard to swallow when my homeowners insurance went from 800/yr to 2500/yr. My Assessed value on my home has gone from 80k to 180k in 3 years. I think at some point I will move someplace where the cost of living is less.
Why are you staying away?

38 I grew up on Siesta Key in the 70's, it was a great place, as was most of Sarasota. But by the early 90s I'd had enough of the growing crowds, traffic, and ever rising cost of living.

I still go back about once a year. My kid sister is now living in a former cow pasture in southeastern Manatee county that is a bigger town than any city I've lived in out west with the sole exception of Phoenix.

I do not miss flatland, nor humidity, nor traffic. My current town has a post office, no traffic lights, and not much else. But I have watched a cow moose & two calves walk up my street and four years ago a cougar got into the garage and stole my mounted antelope head. And if I want to strap on a pistol and take my family on a hike up into the mountains behind my house nobody says I can't.

The only thing I truly miss about the East (other than family)?

Food.

With the exception of some high end restaraunts nobody west of the Missisippi knows how to cook. If you move out west prepare yourself for some truly awful dining experiences.

39 Cut it out, you two. Nobody logs on here to read posters being nice to each other. If you can't work up an insult, get a room.

40 ThomasD,
Siesta Key in the 70's... that brings back memory's taking a gf to turtle beach and making out... Oh well.
I  hear you, I drive 15 miles from downtown Bradenton to Fruitville and Lockwood Ridge. It takes 45 min to a hour to get to work. I know many places are much worse, but still this is Sarasota! come on, it isn't Atlanta or NYC.
The only drawback to living in the weeds is nothing is close, but I guess that is the point.
comatus,
I can start throwing insults at you, if you like.

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