1 Drugs and alcohol addiction is no respecter of wealth or fame. Owen is trying to fill the void in his life with the wrong things.

Sad. He's a hometown boy, and I want him to get better.

2 It's quite sad.  I've always liked his movies and the characters he portrays. Looking beneath the acting he seems like a really nice guy.  I truly wish him well. 

3 dignan is probably one of my favorite movie characters ever.

4

I'd just watched "Wedding Crashers" again before seeing this news. Wilson did display a self-destructive side in a way that, say, Vaughn didn't. Although I didn't know how real it was.

The poor man. My prayers are with him and I hope he pulls through.

5

Larry Craig, Owen Wilson attempts suicide, ButterScotch whatever nickname...

I question the timing.

Oh, and Dupree was one of the worst films ever made.

 

6 um, yeah...

well depending on who you were at my HS he wasn't all that 'nice',
he was always pretty funny tho

7 ziske, you went to st. marks?

8 "Low self-esteem" apparently to blame. Hm. Apparently it's some sort of illness that can strike anyone.

Ace, am I missing the /sarc again?

Guy's successful, but ugly as sin.  I would guess that most ugly people have self esteem issues.  Rosie's millions haven't made her the paragon of mental health, after all.

9 Did I hit the dog? 
Yeah. 
Is he dead? 
Yeah. 
I need help.

10 Why do people assume he has an addiction? All I've heard is that he took some pills and made some superficial cuts on both wrists. I would call that a suicidal gesture or "call for help" but not a true attempt at suicide. The guy has plenty of family and friends to talk to. He has the $$ to see a doctor immediately  -- he doesn't have to call and make an appt and wait a couple of weeks. He has the $$ to take off time from work and feel better.  While I have sympathy for anyone with serious psych issues and depression, him not so much.  He just seems manipulative and immature.

11 affirmative man-chunk, '87

12 Guy's successful, but ugly as sin.

Uh, he's got a broken nose that he has chosen not to get fixed. Doesn't prevent him from getting the girls.

13 i went to jesuit for two years til my family moved. didnt they graduate in like 90 or 91, or am i way off? i just remember seeing them around a lot at random parties and shit around that time.

14

Sparky,

I think TMZ said that it looked like an authentic attempt.  It more than 5 hours fromt he call to "clearing." meaning they didn't know if he'd survive until 5 hours later.  Thats a long time for superficial cuts, also he's being held for at least 3 days to make sure there aren't any complications from the pills.

Theres no indication that he has addictions, though he might, but I haven't read anything saying he had addictions (well, there is a mention of booze, but not drugs)

He is the only sympathetic person in the rags right now, and I hope he's okay.

15

While I have sympathy for anyone with serious psych issues and depression, him not so much

I agree. There was a hideous car accident on the 5 Freeway near Crown Valley in South Orange County earlier this year. A mother lost all 3 of her children. She officially has zero to live for. But you don't see her checking out. She's finding meaning in her life as best she can.

Fuck this guy. Next time, try harder, butterscotch.

16 no, he was in my class..luke was a year or 2 younger

17

Mom always said money can't buy happiness.  Damn, she was pretty smart.

Hope Wilson gets help and feels better soon.

18 However...i believe 90-91 woulda been about the time he was working on the original short of Bottle Rocket, which I'm pretty sure was filmed in the Dallas area, so he probably was around.

19 Eh, this just sounds like a cry for attention from someone who thinks being a major movie star isn't enough attention. I can sympathize with having problems in life, but this guy is near the top in a very nasty brutish world. Doesn't know how good he's got it.

20

Isn't this a reprise of his perfomance in the Royal Tennenbaums?

I hate reruns. 

21 This news is kind of a bummer but not quite big enough to make me take a break from fucking, making money, and drinking.

22 the thing is depression really is an illness.  it's not just a character flaw or weakness.  it's a physiological, neurochemical ailment.

Obviously Owen Wilson has no rational reason to be depressed.  (Okay, apparently he just lost his girlfriend, but come on.)  It's not a rational thing.  It's a mental illness.

23 Fuck all of you who are making light of major/clinical depression.  I was stricken eight years ago deciding to shoot myself two days after I had received a defense verdict in a case where my client (a lawyer) admittedly stole from the plaintiff.  I should have been on cloud 9, but wasn't.  I suggest you read "Darkness Falls" by William Styron (a leftie, I know) to see what it's all about before you go spouting off about depression.

24 It more than 5 hours fromt he call to "clearing." meaning they didn't know if he'd survive until 5 hours later.

Uh, you have an over active imagination. The 5 hours refers to the police log time from 911 until the call was cleared. It has nothing to do with length of time he was treated nor the seriousness of  his injuries. Also, they are obligated and have the right under the law to hold him for three days because he is a danger to himself.

25 That's not just a broken nose, it's a mangled deformity atop a lollipop head and close set eyes.  He's like a cracked-nose, inbred, Ichabod Crane.

But get better, dude!

(that was sarcasm there at the end)

26 It's hard to really sympathize with someone who is famous, popular, funny, rich, healthy, covered with beautiful women and doing well in their career being all mopey. I mean, I know anyone can be and they might feel lousy anyway but you know, losers like me can make it through the day without trying to kill ourselves.

27 Fierce Scorpion,

Wanna drop me a line and tell me about your experiences with depression?  Or write a post about it?

28 Fierce Scorpion,
Who has time to feel for every drama queen with a problem?

Not me, I have enough on my own plate, no room to feel for that dude when I have to focus on my kids studying for school.

Sorry but he asked for this life, chose this career path.

29 I know that ace's anxiety makes teh crazy a touchy topic here, but damnit, Wilson didn't die, he's stupid for trying to off himself, and he's one of the most obnoxiously overused actors around.  Can we please have the regular internet back where it's OK to actually laugh at people?  Please?

/hates teh hugbox

30

I meant assume, cuz thats how a commenter at one of the pap blogs put it, sparky.

Frankly I don't care much, my reaction was really just, "aww man, that sucks." and I skimmed.  Thanks for clearing that part up a bit.

31 Nah, that's not it.  I just happen to know a couple of people who have depression, either low-grade or more serious.

I have low-grade depression, I think, but not enough to really make me sensitive about it (or feel the need for medication for it).

It's not the joking I think is off base... it's the more serious stuff like "Fuck him, he's stupid."  Well, yeah, he's behaving stupidly... because he has a mental illness. That's what mentally ill people do -- they behave irrationally, stupidly, and self-destructively.

I realize there's a bit of a political thing about "mental illness versus character flaw," but I'm not sure anyone can seriously argue that there is not a legitimate, real medical condition called "clinical depression."  It's not just in their heads -- or, rather, it is, but not the way that term is usually meant -- and they can't "just get over it" and be normal.

32 Uh, one can be mentally ill and depressed, and still be an asshole. I've known people who have used suicidal gestures to manipulate others.  Too often they are the ones who get all the attention while those who exhibit true signs of suicidal ideation and acts get ignored.

33 Ace, I recommend regular moderate exercise.  Release the endorphins!

34

You know people assumed addiction first, now depression. Is that the only reason one tries to rub himself out.

Heh. I said "rub himself"

Oh, and ace, does everyone you know with serous depression try to kill themself? That's my point. There are plenty of people with some kind of reason who do not do so.

 

35 I can see him probably being frustrated that he plays the same character in every damn movie.  Yeah, hard to be sympathetic for someone with all the money/time/etc. that comes with being famous, but he hope he pulls through and gets his head straightened out.

36 Ace, I recommend regular moderate exercise.  Release the endorphins!

Wouldn't lots of sex release more endorphins?

37 does feverish masturbation work?

38 OK, the morbid hatred and schadenfreude is wrong.  No problem with that.  There's envy rearing its ugly head (of all the sins with which I'm afflicted, that one passes me by). 

And so he has a chemical-based personality disorder.  Makes him do stupid things.  Like take out hobos with rusty piano wire and pick up tranny Thai hookers.  Oh, wait, that's you, ace.

Kidding with ace-o aside, I just thought I was missing something when there seemed to be a genuine sympathy elicited here for this overprivileged, ugly, and by most accounts assholish dude.  Guess you guys are just getting soft because of his sweet, close set, blue eyes.

39 I think Tom Hagen paid him a visit and talked about his brother, Rome and doing the right thing.

40 His nose looks like a wiener, that why.

41 corn,

   I doubt it. A lot of actors play the same guy in every film and I get the distinct impression that Wilson cultivates that character for the purpose of playing him in every film.

    I think it works, personally, and was especially good in Shanghai Noon for its sheer anachronis--anachro--anacrhonisticness? For being out of place in a western. (Bob Hope did a similar thing but I never found it to be funny while Wilson's persona is less about cracking jokes than framing everything in a sensitive-modern-male sort of way.)

    But of course this is all just wild speculation. We always try to make sense out of things that we don't have the full story on, and which may, at their heart, make no sense.

42 Man, why off yourself when you're depressed?  Me, I just find another job.

Nothing makes me happier than quitting. Nothing depresses me more than job interviews. I was born to do something else, I'm pretty sure.

The simmering frustration that most folks feel is normal. But the over-the-top despair can drop in on your life from out of the blue. A character flaw will exacerbate the situation, much like a weak constitution makes you suseptible to illness.

Ace said, "That's what mentally ill people do -- they behave irrationally, stupidly, and self-destructively."

It's true. The rest of us write blogs.  Somehow, it helps!

43 Look, I've never met the guy. I don't read the gossip columns, I have no idea what his personal life is like. He's never done any harm to me or anyone in my family. I do know that I took my daughter to see Shanghai Knights shortly after she was released from the hospital after being treated for depression, and he made us laugh at a time when we really needed it. Which is more than most of the human race has done for me.

Whether his problem is depression, or addiction, or immaturity, or chronic assholeness, or any combination thereof, I wish him well.

44 I have to admit that I have always had a very negative reaction when it comes to suicide and lack the ability to have empathy.

Now, if he was hit by a car, or found out he had leukemia, or had a child with a birth defect or retardation, spent some time in Iraq being shot at, then I could feel some empathy.

I am sure I would feel different if it was a family member but up until now I only experienced suicide with a few acquaintances and the impact of their act was like an atomic bomb within their family and friends. 

45 Ah, cry me a fucking river! The guy makes millions of bucks a year doing a childs game of acting. The whole lot of those hollywood nitwits are the same.

Compare what the average Joe has in the bank; the percs he gets; what his weekly paycheck is for the hours he works; what he contributes to society, compared to an "actor" and then preach to me/us about how fragile these people are.

Yeah - they have it REAL tough.

46 Where's his gf?  Should we pile on her instead?  I need to blame somebody. 

47 Is Wilson an asshole? I don't keep up with celebrities that much, but I read The Superficial enough to hear about the genuine jerk-offs.  I've never heard Wilson was a dick, certainly not that he was in the Sean Penn-Jim Carrey-Alec Baldwin level of assholia. 

Still, I think he's a great comedic actor, and I don't wish suicidal depression on anybody.  Well, almost anybody. (Bill Maher, I'm looking at you, you Napoleaonic little shit).

48

I wasn't diagnosed with clinical depression until 1999, but had assumed for years that there was something wrong with me.  The simplest pleasures in life, eating, being with friends, etc. held no appeal for me.  I was working about 50 hours a week with many more hours getting ready for trial.  If I slept more than 2 hours a night I felt lucky.  My mind raced 24 hours a day engaging in what the clinicians refer to as "catastrophizing."  Every minute problem I encountered seemed insurmountable.  I was frozen.  Every time the phone would ring in my office or at home I would jump.  The anxiety was overwhelming.

The fateful day was a Wednesday.  A day in which I had a meeting with the former governor in my state to discuss a new business organization we were forming.  I didn't go to the office that day.  Instead, I loaded my Beretta 92 .40 cal. into a paper grocery sack and went driving.  It was loaded with black talons I had purchased before the ban.  I stopped to buy smokes and a bottle of vodka.  I drove and smoked for about four hours before stopping in a State Park at a remote spot.  I got out of my car, sat on a park bench, loaded the chamber and put the gun to my chin.  Only the thought of the undying love that I could see in the eyes of my dog brought me back from the edge.  I put the gun away and went back to the car.  Up to this point I had not had anything to drink.  I drove around and consumed almost fifth trying to gain the courage to go through with it.  Thankfully, I eventually went home.

Since that time I have been under the care of a psychiatrist and have taken all of the depression medications at one time or another:  paxil, prozac, wellbutrin, klonopin, remeron, trazadone, lithium, seroquel, and cymbalta.  I have periods of remission (I'm in the longest I've experienced so far), but also periods of severe/suicidal depression.  I've been hospitalized four times. 

I have no reason to be depressed, just like Mr. Wilson.  I try to do everything within my power not to get into that mental state ever again.  But, I have no assurance of that.  I have reduced the stressors of my life:  divorce, left the practice of law after 20 years, exercise, etc.  Yet, I have a baseline depression that I just can't shake.  I don't really enjoy life, just fleeting moments.  Like an alcoholic, I live day to day.  I am currently considering ECT (shock therapy).  It is quite effective but gets a bad wrap from the likes of One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest.

Thanks for your interest Ace.

 

 

 

49 Fierce Scorpion,
That sounds fucked up.
Good luck to you.

50 Yes, good luck to you Fierce Scorpion.

51

Fierce...

There by the grace of God go I.

Me, it was a genetic predisposition melded with situational stressors. 

They will pry the SSRIs (SNRIs) out of my cold stiff hands when I die of old age, but it beats the hell out of the alternatives.

52

Wouldn't lots of sex release more endorphins?

Why yes, it does.  Meet me in stall 3 in ten minutes.  Tap your foot so I know you're not a cop.

53

futility, and a sense of ineffectual participation in society.  You can't do enough, or you don't do enough to participate or accomplish something.  Every time you do experience a sense of accomplishment, you look back and analyze what it is that you did and find yourself unsatisfied, or believe that you can never achieve that again.

Sometimes, it's not clinical, it's critical that leads to those down times.

54

Look, this guy violated international law by committing a human rights violation against himself. He should get better, than be hanged for it.

 

55 Whenever Richard Cory went down town,
We people on the pavement looked at him:
He was a gentleman from sole to crown,
Clean favored, and imperially slim.

And he was always quietly arrayed,
And he was always human when he talked;
But still he fluttered pulses when he said,
"Good-morning," and he glittered when he walked.

And he was rich—yes, richer than a king,
And admirably schooled in every grace:
In fine, we thought that he was everything
To make us wish that we were in his place.

So on we worked, and waited for the light,
And went without the meat, and cursed the bread; And Richard Cory, one calm summer night, Went home and put a bullet through his head

56 At what point is it just self indulgent?

57 I have no problem with Wilson being depressed. I do have a problem with the way he went about asking for help.

58

He tried to kill himself because just before she left, his ex-girlfriend told him:  "Jesus, man, I love you, but every time we fuck, I look at that insane cock/nose of yours, and think 'is he right side up, or upside down? - I just don't know!  For all I know he could be fucking me with his face!', and I can't take that any more!

59 Most of us joe nobodies may lead lives of quiet desperation but somewhere in our heads we harbor the slightest of hopes that we will become successful, win some stature or acclaim, or even hit lotto. With Wilson he probably looked in the mirror and thought: "I am young, healthy, handsome, rich, famous, and have women throwing themselves at me. If I am not happy now then nothing will make me happy". When you have nothing you have hope that when you succeed you will become happy. When you you have everything and you are still unhappy then you don't even have hope on your side.
Someone once said "The only thing worse than not achieving your dreams is achieving them."

60 Okay, sympathy meter way down.   Supposedly he's been wacked on smack and poder for the last 8 years.

61 This wasn't a real suicide attempt.  Males tend to use very irreversible methods when they're serious...like shotguns. 

62 At what point is it just self indulgent?

At what point did it become anyone else's business?

Many of the comments on this thread are frankly discouraging. Many seem to think that by being hostile and mean spirited in the face of anothers problems, that they are being both 'practical' and 'tough'. Well they are being 'practical for sure. Not only is it NOT their affair except in the cheap thrill type of way, but they can affect the situation not at all.

But as for the 'tough' part ----" You haven't gotten tougher... you've just gotten miserable!"---From 'Cowboy' (195

Plenty of 'miserable' on display here today, for sure.

63

there are a couple story's that demonstrate a lack of sympathy based on personal experience.  Ultimately we don't hope for anothers death, but you aren't going to read some grand opus defending, or praising owens "strength" for overcoming this.

I'm rather sympathetic, because I think he's funny, and thats selfish on my part.  You wanna see me crow, wait until Brittany and Kevin sign a pact and follow through, then I think I might actually crow, though I don't think so.

64 Posted by: Bruce at August 28, 2007 06:44 PM (2q+Ss)

His lifestyle and the perks that come along with it are irrelevant, if he's depressed.  Sometimes, the dark clouds just descend and there's nothing you can do to stop them.

65 At what point did it become anyone else's business?

When someone called 911 and the police became involved. Also, you don't think that when a celebrity does something like this it doesn't have an adverse effect on other people? You ever consider how many teens may think attempting suicide is an acceptable way of dealing with their depression?

His lifestyle and the perks that come along with it are irrelevant, if he's depressed.

But they are not irrelevant in that it affects his ability to seek help and treatment.  The rest of us should be so lucky. 

66 But they are not irrelevant in that it affects his ability to seek help and treatment.  The rest of us should be so lucky.

Heck, I don't have near the resources of Wilson, but I've sought help and treatment for my depression.  It's a matter of will, not resources.

67

I look at my loaded 9mm on my nightstand by my bed every night and every morning.

And, so far, every night and every morning I say, "Not today; let's give this life thing another day." 

Oh, and Shanghai Noon was a very good movie. Another very good Jackie Chan movie: Legend of the Drunken Master. Seriously. 

 

68 It's a matter of will, not resources.

Wait, are you saying it isn't easier to go to a hospital if you don't have to worry about losing your job? Or, it isn't easier if you can see a psychologist immediately and never have to worry about the costs? Or, that it isn't easier if you have a mother, father, brothers, friends to call if you are bad off?

69 Wait, are you saying it isn't easier to go to a hospital if you don't have to worry about losing your job? Or, it isn't easier if you can see a psychologist immediately and never have to worry about the costs? Or, that it isn't easier if you have a mother, father, brothers, friends to call if you are bad off?

No, I'm saying there are a number of resources available for those of us who deal with depression.  Should Wilson have gone to the resources he had available before attempting suicide?  Absolutely.

But for those of us who are less well-off, there are still places we can go for help. 

70 But for those of us who are less well-off, there are still places we can go for help.

Of course. I misinterpreted what you wrote.

71 You ever consider how many teens may think attempting suicide is an acceptable way of dealing with their depression?

Wasn't there a spike in teen suicide after Kurt Cobain shot himself? I seem to remember reading something about that.

I've had a few friends go out that way, and the emotional disasters that suicide leaves behind is pretty much the worst thing that can happen to a family. It's the ultimate selfish act, and I honestly don't have much sympathy for suicides, whether or not they are successful.

A recent example is the Jeremy Blake/Theresa Duncan suicides last month. They were both rising art/film stars with extremely promising futures, and a long-time couple. She committed suicide in their NY apartment, and within a week he did the same.

Someone in the psych field would have to comment authoritatively, but it wouldn't surprise me to find that suicides chain together like this fairly often.

72 There's two things here about this case, assuming we have the facts right:

1) Its obvious, again, that having all the stuff that a lot of people aspire to don't make you happy. They just don't, they make life easier and help you be temporarily happy but they don't make you any better a person and don't fill that empty place in your soul.

2) While it's true that real depression is awful and hard to fight, that some people face clinical, chemical depression that they struggle with every day suicide is weak and selfish and few people, even those immensely depressed, take that step. Simply being depressed, as awful as it is, is no excuse nor reason.

73

When I was having my panic attacks, I talked with a childhood friend of mine, and it was just a "matter of fact" conversation.  I was so disappointed with so many things, it wasn't the fault of disappoitment, or the fault of the attacks, but it was a real sensation.

I wasn't who I "should" have been, and I was disappointed with myself, and it wasn't at all uncommon for me to be driving and think, "you know? it'd be a lot easier if I just swerved into that pole." or as I lay down to sleep, "If only I don't wake up tomorrow." 

It wasn't ideation, it was just a rational "easy way out" thought that flitted through so quickly it might as well not have happened, except that it did.  And I told my friend this, in front of his girlfriend, and he admitted "yeah, sometimes that happens with me."

There is no desire, only a simplistic analysis that says "I don't have to deal with this shit if I just do this."  His girlfriend dumped him.

I NEVER would have done it, but it's has been a passing thought excercise.

THAT's not a big deal.  It's when you begin to contemplate in all severity the act as a real option, that it becomes dangerous.

74

Owen is trying to fill the void in his life with the wrong things.

I think he should fill his life with me.

75

Wouldn't lots of sex release more endorphins?

Depends.  Is Ace a top, and can he keep pounding m--I mean--away for 30 minutes?

Some people self-medicate and makes things worse.  Some react badly to prescription anti-depressants.

76 Ah the old suicide is selfish idea. Such a caring, thoughtful thought brought out by people who really have no clue about clinical depression and how deep the hole is.

The selfish ones are those who spit that thoughtful, caring idea out at those who suffer from depression. To be honest, if I was a heartless person I'd wish upon those thoughtful, caring people to suffer depression so bad that the thought of ending your life sounds like a relief to the pain.

But I wouldn't wish that on anyone. I'll stick with shaking my head, turning my back on them and try and help those who suffer in silence instead of condemning them.

77

Tristan, it isn't indifference.

Where did you catch your depression? Might you spread it? is it an established malaise brought about by unfortunate upbringing, or unsustainable desires? What is it that drives depression? where's the gene? whats the cause?

Sorry to be all scientologist, but treating a symptom without even knowing the cause, often enough through medication isn't a "Clinical" analysis, it is only a clinical remedy, generaly temporary, and often enough more detrimental than self medication.

78 and the decision, not the rationale IS based on selfish desires, that might be exaggerated by a sense of depression.

79 Never been that bad, obviously, but I did have a moderate case for about 2 years after a particularly bad breakup a few years ago.

Wish him all the best.

80 Ah the old suicide is selfish idea. Such a caring, thoughtful thought brought out by people who really have no clue about clinical depression and how deep the hole is.

Nothing on earth is more selfish than suicide. You become so wholly self-focused and personally interested you reject everything and everyone around you. Nothing matters but yourself and your pain, you care nothing for what you do to friends and family, nothing for what you mean to anyone else, all that matters is you. That's the absolute nadir of selfishness, it's worst expression.

Is it a terrible place to be? Sure, is it a horror that you contemplate only when you think you cannot face another moment of life? Absolutely. Have I been there? Every single day for years. I knew every time that it would be weak and selfish that it would be all about me with complete disregard for others, contempt for their feelings and what they thought.

That's why I'm still here today.

81 Seriously, I suggest trying skydiving as a therapy.  If it turns out to be something you like, it can change your life because you've always got something to live for -- your next jump.  Its like crack.

82

Sharkman, my friends are watching a sad movie right now as I choke back laughing.

 

83 PS Hope he gets better.

84 Ace,

Yes, depression kills.

It doesn't matter who you are.

Rich or poor.

White or black.

It crosses all languages.

All cultures.

Dark.

Helpless.

Hopeless.

Depression kills.

It's just the fucking way it is.

Just sayin'.

85 Look, one of the arguments you make to people contemplating suicide who have kids is that if they commit suicide, their kids are more likely to commit suicide, too. Statistically, it goes beyond the genetic predisposition for depression. I had a point to make, but I forgot it. Time for dinner.

86 Sorry, but the therapeutic bullshit world just doesn't invade my black heart and make me say "Oh poor Owen".  Sure, it might be clinical.  Sure, it might be genetic.  Sure, he might feel sorry for himself.  So fucking what?  All of the above has been me at some point, AND I FUCKING DEALT WITH IT.  Nutless fuck wants to take the easy way, so fucking what?  It takes no balls to die.  There's a reason he has no self-esteem.

87 I think why people come across so angry and unsympathetic (and I'm not endorsing this approach) is that people who commit suicides don't realize the devastation they create in the people they leave behind.

88

Fierce Scorpion:  I hear you. 

Uniball:  I was about to say "F*ck you.  You do not have a clue so STFU",  but then you actually come through with some empathy,  so I take back what I did not post to you.

As for Wilson,  not enough data to know why he did what he did.  I do think he's generally watchable,  and I have not reason to wish him ill.  I suppose if he gave me wedgeis in the locker room in HS I might feel different.

89 I've been suffering from clinical depression for most of my life - like Scorpion says, it's usually not the kind of wrist slashing, bullet eating experience we sometimes equate it with, but just an emptiness and a lack of desire for things that should give you pleasure and drains your life of significance.  You know something's wrong with you, but you fear confronting it even more.  Since I finally saw a psychiatrist and got help, I'm better now, but I also know that getting through my days is more than just taking pills.  I'm on a pretty intensive cognitive therapy regimen as well.  None of this "I'm okay, you're okay" empathy psycho-babble bullshit, but a rigorous self-examination of my beliefs and work towards refuting my own fallacious beliefs.

If Wilson really is suffering from depression, I sincerely hope he doesn't merely medicate and call it good.  The pills are only there give you enough breathing room for successful therapy.

90

Not to be cold, but.

Fuck therapy.

find family, they love you, they will judge you, and be cruel while still loving you.

Find family, or close friends, you don't need therapy, unless you are isolated.

91 Anti-depressants don't stop the depression, all they do is remove the most obvious symptoms. They are like taking a blast of chloroseptic and thinking you can give a speech. Your throat is still tore up, you just don't feel it.

92

Chris,

I don't hide my crazy, I don't understand it, but I know it's there.

One of the things i say to those self righteous pricks who think they can fix me with a few words, is "The booze isn't a cause, it's a symptom, you clearly don't know SHIT."

Just saying.

93

Well, since we're all sharing...

Depression isn't bullshit, for any who might still think that. I've dealt with severe depression since I was 10. I turn 40 in two months. I'm smart, educated, women are attracted to me. I make a pretty good buck and have quite a bit of... for lack of a better word, 'power', at my job... and I'm currently sitting here in a living room that has no furniture. With crap on the floor I moved in here over 8 months ago. I just don't care anymore. No girlfriend, no dates, no nothing. I hang out on moronblogs like this. It's one of my few enjoyments. That, and my friends.

That said, I agree with those who are harsh about suicide. I've thought about it. Came damned close to trying, especially when I was younger. Self-medicated... hell, I self-medicate now. But I'll never, ever, do that to my family and friends. I don't give a shit what it takes, it won't happen. I just can't do that to them.

The irony is, I watched my now ex-fiancee change from a lovely, former past beauty pageant contestant  (she was approaching 40 when I met her) just absolutely waste away from depression. I couldn't recognize her when the end came 6 years later. She was gone.

I'm just a very infrequent commenter, but I've been reading this blog for years now, since after 9/11. I hold no ill will towards those who have never experienced depression or had a loved one who struggled with it. Actually, I find some of the posts humorous. I know Ace does too, when you're baggin' on him.

Finally, those who do suffer from depression: I found St. John's Wort to be a godsend. It acts like a triple MAO inhibitor without the side effects. Worth looking into. Get your brain chemistry straight, then work out to get the endorphins going and cut down on the self-medication, and it's a hell of a lot easier to deal with.

Lastly... Who the fuck is Owen Wilson? God, I feel old all of a sudden... Heh.

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There was a hideous car accident on the 5 Freeway near Crown Valley in South Orange County earlier this year. A mother lost all 3 of her children. She officially has zero to live for.

A golf fundraiser was recently held for the Cobles at Coto de Caza. I was invited but couldn't attend that day.  A friend of mine did and told me Lori and her husband (can't remember his name at the moment), while not hiding their devastating pain, seemed really connected together and determined to keep moving ahead.  Very inspiring, very heart-wrenching.  The tournament raised $50,000 for them.

He tried to kill himself because just before she left, his ex-girlfriend told him:  "Jesus, man, I love you, but every time we fuck, I look at that insane cock/nose of yours, and think 'is he right side up, or upside down? - I just don't know! 

That may be the funniest comment here, ever.  Sharkman is my new hero.

Owen is trying to fill the void in his life with the wrong things.

I think he should fill his life with me.

She's baaaa-aaaaack...

 

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people contemplating suicide who have kids is that if they commit suicide, their kids are more likely to commit suicide, too.

Very true.  Saw it happen to a family I grew up with.  Her father shot her, then killed himself.  She survived, only to blow her own head off with a shotgun ten years to the day after her father shot her and himself.  The only thing left her mother could identify her by was her hands.  I loved her as a friend, and I may have been in love with her, but I'll never know.

Suicide is selfish.

96 I deal with suicidal people semi-regularly as part of my job.  I went to training for how to deal with people who are threatening or attempting suicide, and was told by the shrink teaching the class that suicidal people are often depressed, but what tips them over the edge is anger.  He said that killing yourself is really just an easy way to kill the whole world.  That takes a lot of pure rage.  I'm not really sure if he meant that all suicidal people are angry, or just some.  But the way he was talking, he made it sound as though the depression portion was not really relevant to the whole process - just the anger.

97 Owen, and everyone, needs Jesus.  HE can fill that "void" and give hope.

98 Well, I am no psychologist, obviously, but I have found people who focus on charity/helping others, on a personal level, to be the happiest. Weather it be holding the door open for a family, helping a friend move into his new diggs, mowing an old ladys lawn, shit like that.
I know it is simple but I have found that when you take the focus off yourself and focus on helping others, you end up happier.  Kind of weird how that works.

As an agnostic I don't really understand how religion helps.

I also agree with Wickedpinto.

99 Sorry, but the therapeutic bullshit world just doesn't invade my black heart and make me say "Oh poor Owen".  Sure, it might be clinical.  Sure, it might be genetic.  Sure, he might feel sorry for himself.  So fucking what?  All of the above has been me at some point, AND I FUCKING DEALT WITH IT.  Nutless fuck wants to take the easy way, so fucking what?  It takes no balls to die.  There's a reason he has no self-esteem.

Ditto. With current health problems, I probably have more reason to be "depressed" than most, but I deal with it and move on best I can under the circumstances.

Suicide? Yeah right - that would be a big help to my wife and son, wouldn't it? Just peachy.

"Sorry babe - I just can't deal with it anymore. Checking out. You're on your fucking own! Buh-bye!"

Ahhh ..... no.

100 But people who are depressed have distorted thought processes.  You can't always think rationally when you can't think rationally.

101 One of the things i say to those self righteous pricks who think they can fix me with a few words, is "The booze isn't a cause, it's a symptom, you clearly don't know SHIT."

I agree words don't fix things, and when you're down they don't make the troubles go away. It takes actions, attitude, behavior, and real effort. It takes doing things even when you don't feel like it and don't want to.

My point is simply that taking anti-depressants doesn't make the depression go away. They just cover up the symptoms while it stews along inside you and finds other ways out.

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I'm sorry for the guy.  Depression or other metal illness are tough because reason doesn't apply.  I feel better, so I don't need antidepressants.  So then what?  #100 Sparky was more succinct, but I've seen it end, badly.

Having said that, I'm no sorrier for Wilson than I would be for anybody else in that situation.  I'm just not a People magazine person and I resent having entertainers shoved in my face.  If he brought it on himself with drugs, then I'm even less sympathetic.

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I agree with Uniball (post #99) about the benefits of helping others.

But I don't agree with Wickedpinto (post #90). Friends and family are often simply not objective enough to give appropriate advice, and even when they mean well, they can do more harm than good. Also, some of us have family members who can be serious jerks, using any opportunity to shine attention onto themselves. Such people offer little to nothing constructive to a suffering loved one, then turn around and say "Feel sorry for me! My (family member) is going through hard times, and it's so difficult for me!"

My sympathies go out to all those who have felt isolated and depressed, for whatever reason. I've been there, and right now a good friend of mine is on her way down again. When I talk to her, I tell her that I love her and will not abandon her, but that she needs more that I can give right now, and that she should find a therapist or clergyperson, or some other trained person who can help her through this without either getting "sucked down" too or imposing their own problems on the situation.

Damn I'm clever; you'd think I'd be the happiest person on earth!

(kidding!)

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