1 So, Gabriel...

"What makes more sense: (1) acknowledging that Muslims get upset over things that we wouldn't bat an eye over and simply conducting ourselves in a manner which minimizes their freak outs; or (2) expecting them to get over their cultural hangups overnight because we're simply "tired of their whining"?"

You still going for (1)?

2

"What makes more sense: (1) acknowledging that Muslims get upset over things that we wouldn't bat an eye over and simply conducting ourselves in a manner which minimizes their freak outs; or (2) expecting them to get over their cultural hangups overnight because we're simply "tired of their whining"?

Which one do you think will be better for our foreign policy goals?"

O Mighty Editors at the WaPo (and Seattle P-I and NYT and every other MSM source): earn you seegars and man-up and select answer 2.

3 but do we really think that publishing this cartoon would have been to our best interests in terms of our foreign policy in the middle east? i mean if soccerballs offend them, im fairly certain this would drive them to wish a bloody holocaust upon not only jews, but the entire west as well. oh wait, they already do that. i have a brilliant idea, lets coddle them some more, and thusly validate their backwater ideals and encourage them to make even more ridiculous demands concerning their precious ideaology. what say you gaybe?

4 I join the chorus.  Well, Gabriel?  This, after all, is a matter of intentionally upsetting Muslim sensibilities.  And it is easily avoidable by the simple act of self-censorship.  Thus, by what may be deduced about your standards, this abrogation of free speech is something to be lauded rather than assaulted.  Is this the type of situation you were advocating?  If so, why, if not, why not? 

And if so, please explain under what circumstances it is proper to cause offense.  Is it acceptable to engage in comparative religious discussions?  To critique the public funding of footbaths on a public university campus?  At what point does offensive become acceptable?

5

When will "muslim" or "islam" become the "M word" or the "I word?"

I have the credentials proving I'm not a racist.  I'm outside the "culture," but though I have loved black women, though almost all of my base of friends has been black for most of the last 5 years, I am not allowed to say "nigger," as a word, not an accusation, but as a specific refference to the use of language.

My second threat of banning by ace was based on my use of that word, though what I was saying wasn't racist, it just contained that word several times.

I don't use it as michael richards did, I used it as someone describing the words of individuals, and arguing against it's position as cultural anathema.

Fag, gay and even the more offensive descriptors I use before fags, and gays and donut punchers, and rim riders, and pillow biters, and they understand what I am saying because the context is there.

There is no quarter for the Mword people, or the Iword people, nor is there allowances granted to anyone who is melanin deficient among the N word crowd.

I'm sick of it, and I won't tolerate it anymore.

There is a word nigger, though I find it offensive, and I don't believe in Islam, and I distrust Muslims.

Fuck you!!  Did I just piss off torquemada with my use of fuck?

how about this?  "I'm galileo and the world is round!!"  SUCK THAT FUNDY's!!!  

6 wicked, seriously, i have a question. have you ever made a post that wasnt in some way, shape, or in a convenient circular fashion, ultimately, about you? i mean im sure youre a splendidly interesting gentleman and all, but do you ever discuss something without having it in some way refer back to yourself?

7 Muslims can feel free to join us in the 21st century.  Until then can feel free to shut the fuck up.

8 I am now going to eat a blt with some pork rinds.

9 Man_chunk,

   What's it matter? WP's got style. When he moves, he slices like a fucking hammer!

10

Please, it's pretty simple: all religions undercut our civil society except those that actually proclaim they have a holy duty to destroy it.  And all religions are intolerant except those which become violent if required to tolerate any other.

What is so hard for you knuckle-draggers to accept about tolerance?  After all, has not Oceania always been at war with Eastasia?

Your Betters in the MSM

11 moviegique, i like wicked on occasion, it just seems he has a serious character flaw which compels him to ham-handedly be self-referential in discussions where it is clearly not revolving around himself, like some awkward plea for attention. in other words, hes kind of like that drunk chick at the party who wont shut the fuck up about her new tit-job daddy just got her. i guess. maybe not. just strikes me as very insecure, even for a blog comments section.

12

We must speak truth to power!!

Er, except when our personal safety is at stake.  Then we'll speak truth to anyone who can be trusted not to blow us up.

13 Someone and Arbalest:  What we get to do on our turf is a little different than what we do when we are on someone else's.  Muslims are free to soil themselves over it, but here we supposedly celebrate the right to give full voice to unpopular and controversial ideas here.  (Not that this is a terribly good example of something that's all that offensive.)  No such deal in Islam's back yard.  When Americans are in a Muslim country, we're the ones who have to adapt.

That's really pretty basic stuff, isn't it?

14 ...in other words, hes kind of like that drunk chick at the party who wont shut the fuck up about her new tit-job daddy just got her.

Oh shit...say it ain't so... I went home with that girl last party... we were both pretty far gone... Wicked...you didn't happen to wake up last Saturday morning with a sore ass?

I mean, I always try to slip a "Bart" into conversation to check for reaction, just in case... I never figured on it being WP.

15 yeah fine, we should adapt, until adaptation requires turning a blind eye to rape, mutilation, and overall fucking barbarity. im sorry, a line has to be drawn somewhere or nothing we do in a "righteous way" like aid and the such is going to have any lasting effect. also, whens the last time any muslim has reciprocated? last time i checked, those ungrateful fucks were actively trying to get OUR laws to accomodate them. no sorry, fuck that shit. fuck it right in its ass.

16 "What we get to do on our turf is a little different than what we do when we are on someone else's."

Oh, is that what the Muslims think?  Ask the Danes.

17 I join the chorus.  Well, Gabriel?

This is not the same thing at all.

This is curtailing our freedom of speech.  The soccer ball thing is merely avoiding offense in their country, on the part of the US government.  And respecting their local customs, so long as doing so does not contradict our values, is good.

There would only be a comparison if Gabriel were proposing limiting what you can put on your own soccer balls.

And, again, that whole taboo about having your foot contact something which deserves respect is very strong in SE Asia and the middle east; it is not an Islamic thing, it is a cultural body language thing.  And when we're over there, we should be sensitive to it.

18 When Americans are in a Muslim country, we're the ones who have to adapt.

That's really pretty basic stuff, isn't it?

And maybe when we are in their backyard, having liberated some 50 million of them from their murderous dictators, and given them the opportunity to shape their own future, and dedicated our forces to protecting their fledgling democracies as well as constructing their infrastructure, just maybe we deserve the benefit of the doubt as to our intentions.

Naaa. We are khuffar. Anything less than perfect dhimmitude from us is unacceptable.

19 "There would only be a comparison"

Comparison?  Who's making a comparison?

We're asking Gabriel to defend the very words he himself put out there.

20 He didn't put enough qualifiers on his statement, I agree.

21 someone: fucking-A! this discussion is even worse than the last one about the faggoty soccerballs of doom. the more we validate this lunacy with serious contemplation, the more we facilitate this utter fucking insanity. im tired of having this discussion and im tired of having to listen to people discuss it like its of serious import. the reality on the ground should be as follows: you wanna riot, get shot up. you wanna rape, welcome to more of our glorious weaponry. you wanna be a normal fucking society built around shit that isnt insane, heres some cash. end of discussion. dont like it? fine, fuck your culture and its ancestry.

22 we should adapt, until adaptation requires turning a blind eye to rape, mutilation, and overall fucking barbarity.

If you try to kick every ass in the bar at one time, you're the one who will be carrying his teeth home in a bag,  It takes brains to do what we're doing over there and that means taking down one asshole problem at a time.  A glorious and pure hearted failure is just that - failure.  And the only people who benefit from that are the ones we are trying to kill right now.

Oh, is that what the Muslims think?

No.  At least where some of them are concerned.  Which is why we get righteously pissed when they have a tantrum over the shape of an ice cream swirl on a label or something stupid like that.  When they are the visiting team, it's their job to accommodate us or go the hell home.  Same rule when we're the visiting team.

23 yeah thats great and all and sounds real rational. one problem, this isnt a fucking bar fight, if this was even remotely close to a bar fight it wouldnt be occuring, cause the asshole starting the fight (the muslims, dispshit) would be dragged out by his friends before he got his ass and theirs stomped, unmercilessly. stupid fucking analogy.

24 sandy burger - Fine, that's a reasoned response for that particular situation.  But that was not the position which Gabriel advocated.  He may have used that example as a starting point but his position, as best as can be ascertained, is that we have some obligation to not unnecessarily cause offensive.  Well, what does that mean?  What I and multiple others are asking is at what point does the line stop.  Fine, we respect the cultural tradition about feet.  What's next?  The removal of Piglet from cubicles due to the possibility that the presence of a toy pig may cause a Muslim offense?  Forcing an airline employee to remove a necklace with a cross as that may cause discomfort?   Reorienting toilets in prisons so that they do not face Mecca?  Wearing a headscarf while in certain quarters of France or the Netherlands so as not to be taunted as a whore? 

I have no problem with simple courtesy.  But there is a point at which courtesy become capitulation.  What is that point?  People will reach good faith disagreements as to what that might be.  But if a society wishes to be treated as a mature world citizen, that means acting like a mature world citizen.  And the evidence is becoming overwhelming that many Islamic cultures are not that mature.  If a group responds disproportionately to an unintentional slight, the blame should lie with those who overreact. 

25 Yeah, liberals at national dailies are hung up about sexual humor. They're famous for that. Obviously that's why Breathed's cartoons got censored. Can't talk about sex in front of the Post's tender readership. Noo, noo, noo. They're too delicate for that. Tut, tut, tut. Breathed should have known that. And then you flip the page for the Metro section for the article about the plight of tranvestite whores in Dupont Circle.

In reality, far more so than Christians, Muslims are without question the boogeyman "Right Wingers" of the American liberal imagination. The M's typically hate Art, Gays, Statues, Nudity, Sex, Music, Women's Rights, Movies, Artists, Bohemians, Sex, Women, Women, and Sex, etc. Yet the American liberals love 'em. Can't get enough of sympathizing with 'em. You can even ask Christiane Amanpour, when she gets a minute's break from trying to perfect the soft focus for her interview with the next genocidal Muslim maniac.

Muslims are all about every single fucking thing American liberals bellyache about, yet they get a free pass. Not only that, but the liberal Washington Post apparently has a veritable cadre of Muslims with whom they consult before running cartoons from one of the most venerable Western cartoonists of all time. I'm sure they have a stable of Christians with whom they consult over their future cartoons. Something like a bullpen of William Donohues. I'm sure of it. Sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander, after all.

26 Let me get this straight:

- The Washington Post won't run episodes of Opus because they may criticize Islam.

- In 2006, the Los Angeles Times refuses run episodes of BC because they promote Christianity.

Seems perfectly consistent to me.

27 MC, you are aware we aren't the first ones in the last 30 years to invade that country, right?  Of course you are. 

Alex, I think Gabe's position is a little more nuanced: alienating necessary allies in their own country (even if they are crazy to react as they do) is not smart or helpful for what we want to be accomplishing there.  That doesn't mean changing the rules for our own culture back home.

28 we werent the last ones to invade, are you fucking serious? no really, is that your entire premise for your stupidity? cause the last time i checked they were the cocksuckers that harbored and procured the elements and environment for our invasion. thats like equating our invasion of nazi germany with some cultural hegemony. fucking moron

29

man_chunk

It isn't ABOUT me, it's expressed in a way that INVOLVES me, see the difference?

I'm a bright guy, and I prefer to internalize information, make it a part of me, and thats the easiest way to accept information.

When I make my "I" comments, I do so, so that I am directly responsible as well as accepting of the information I share.

It's not nearly as selfish as the random accusations of people outside of their area's of understanding accusing me of being selfish.

I'm sorry, if I chose to accept responsibility for what I say.  I guess thats offensive in some circles.

30 that shoudl have read: we werent the first ones to invade.

31 yeah wicked, me me me. got it. dont wear yourself out overcompensating too much bro

32 First Comedy Central, then the Washington Post.  I know it's easy for me to say, but I think they're cowards.

33

but basicaly, I get what you say, it seems selfish, unless you actually.. .well, you know, fucking read it.

I express information as I have recieved it. .. .which is through the filter of my own eyes and mind.

34 yeah wicked, im not trying to beef with you or anything, just the way you write comes off very, how should i say this, beauchampian. no offense. i mean, its pretty easy to pick apart.

35

Chunk?

Most common compensatory reference for people who are wrong on this blog in the last 9 months.

"or as wickedpinto says."

I know the character I created, and I know the outcome, but if you want to be serious, you should be serious about the person you accuse.

The wicked you are referencing is in fact rare.

Thats not Meism, thats self defense.

36

I won't give up my fun chump.

CHUNK! that really was a typo, but I decided to keep it.

37

i mean, its pretty easy to pick apart.

Not in this thread, it's easily criticized, but not picked apart.  We agree on the substance, you just had to pick a fight with me, probably cuz you think I'm one of the big guys.

All, cool, cuz I have this genetic deficiancy, it's very hard for me to care.  It's also why I gots mine, without becoming an angry embittered fool.  I'm an angry embittered fool for other reasons. 

Chunk, you did not, and never will get the best of me, and there is no reason to try, from what I see, we generaly agree about everything, BUT your opinion of me.

38 alienating necessary allies in their own country (even if they are crazy to react as they do) is not smart or helpful for what we want to be accomplishing there.  That doesn't mean changing the rules for our own culture back home.

That's taking a rather condescending and infantile view of those societies.  "Oh you poor darlings are too sensitive to be treated like grown ups so we won't."  What doesn't insult Islam?  Seriously.  It's getting to the point that I would like a list.  Look, there's nothing wrong with being aware of the cultural taboos in an area in which you are working.  That is common courtesy.  But I also refuse to be trapped by the tyranny of the least rational person.  This was not a soccer ball with only the Saudi flag on it.  It was a soccer ball with multiple flags.  The inclusion of the Saudi flag was meant as a positive gesture, not a negative one.  If I accidentally cause offense to someone and that is politely pointed out to me, then I will apologize.  But if the response is an attack of moral outrage, well, then I am less likely to do so.  The refusal to

As far as saying this does not apply to our culture back home, well, this post rather puts paid to that concept now doesn't it?  Even a passing familiarity with the last five years news reveals that there are attempts to change our culture.  My examples were not chosen randomly, as I am sure you are aware.  That is the question.  At what point does tolerating such incidents buttress a belief, however ill founded, that certain sectors of Islam have a right to be catered to, no matter how illogical the response.  That is a fair question.  You and I will more likely than not disagree as to where that line is.  Fair enough.  But Gabriel's smug and condescending tone does not invite one to accept a belief that he is arguing in good faith. 

39 yeah wicked, i considered this whole 'persona' of yours was a put on or a satire of sorts. i mean even on an insignificant blog comments section, no one can be that dedicated of a douchebag unless they were going for laughs. but that type of 'saitre' would require a punch line or some type of popular reference that wasnt in some way insulting to you previous station as a marine. so i guess i dont get it if thats the case. in any event, your self-proclaimed "superiority" complex kind of pops up as an undeniable "red flag" of utter douchebagery, or indicator as it were. maybe thats just me. i miss a lot of jokes and am inebriated 70% of the time anyway.

40

Two things-

1)  The soccer ball deal was a manufactured, one-time protest by 100 people in the middle of nowhere (rural Afghanistan).  It was an obvious attempt at media manipulation.  I predict it will go nowhere.

2)  I'm surprised there's not a passage somewhere in the Koran about how it is blasphemy or forbidden to allow unbelievers to make serious or unproven accusations against Muslims.  Which is a shame, because it could require the media to STFU about anything related to the ME.

 

41 to be honest wicked, im just pissed off i missed a 8 game parlay cause the padres cant score runs to save theire fucking life and i decided i was gonna take it out on you. thats a lot of drinking money and hookers, and goddamnit, someone is gonna pay! might as well be you, sucker.

42

VRWC Agent:

"What we get to do on our turf is a little different than what we do when we are on someone else's."

 True, at least the Western concepts of common courtesy, host & guest, etc., suggest thus.

Check the number and conduct of Muslim protests on US college campuses, London streets, French carbeques, Danish note deliveries and compare to similar Western ex-pat / exchange students / teachers / etc. demonstrations in the Middle East.

50 years ago, such things would never have happened anywhere in the West.

But 50 years of Answer #1, as shown by . . .

 (a) the WaPo editors running the Opus cartoon by some Muslims for reaction,

(b) the WaPo editors NEVER ever having considered such "consideration" for any other religion, ever,

. . .has earned all us flying John Does (and maybe even ones that use ferries instead of bridges) additional civil and personal liability in our say-to-day lives in our home country.

 

"No such deal in Islam's back yard. When Americans are in a Muslim country, we're the ones who have to adapt."

Note that it is the might of Western armies that allows Westerners some reasonable degree of freedom in most Muslim countries. This may not be obvious today but 200 years ago it was.

A quick check of the living / work conditions in Saudi Arabia (I saw this among the car washers in Riyadh parking lots; most recently 4 Indonesian "maids" in SA have experienced it, 2 permanantly) reveals just how large the reasonable degree really is.

Perhaps there is a reason that the parable of the Camel and the Tent uses as its motifs, a Camel and a Tent.

43

Chunk?

It's not a satire, it's SOMETIMES, and in fact rarely the original character I created, I accept the side affects of having created that character(which is a large portion of myself I admit) but the obsession of others to only focus on small portions of a character, that was so cartoonish, while ignoring the mostly valid comments I have made, under the guise of the same character?

well, that just means you ain't in.

Newsflash chunk, I'm a nice guy, I'm a bright guy, and sometimes I deliberately hide the nice and the bright under a layer of idiotic satirical moronocity so that I can still have fun with Thewickedpinto.

The hostages have an idea of me, a small one, some of the reg's here know it.  I did not make this about me, I only referenced me, YOU made this conversation between the two of us about me, and I'm at the edge of giving up on you.

44 wicked, seriously, stop flattering yourself. its unbecmming of a man of such refined stature. im not saying youre not a nice guy, in fact im sure you are and are clearly very fond of proclaiming such. trust me, i get you. i understand your "me" fetish. its not unique or hard to decipher, in fact its fairly common. everybody likes to be the center of attention in some way shape or form, its normal. the difference is that most people grow out of it after adolescence. but again, im sure thats just part of the 'joke' im missing. in any event, i dont dislike you, im just saying maybe take the whole "me" factor down a couple of notches.

45 As far as i can tell, you're the only one who has a problem with Wicked, man chunk. So maybe the real problem is you and not him. From what i understand, Wicked has been commenting here at Ace's for years, and for you to come along and tell him to change the way he writes is arrogant as hell.

46 forged you ponce, im commenting on it. if youre gonna put something out there publically, be ready to have it taken apart. hes a big boy. youre a fag for trying to pull some half-assed rank bullshit. i may not have been a regualr poster as long as him, but i have been reading this site for over 3 years. so in conclusion, you can eat my balls. hows that for arrogance?

47 I'm with Arbalest @ 1:53am, I think. And what alexthechick wrote. The question is where are you (home vs. away) but also, inevitably, about drawing lines. I will not grant that certain behaviors (e.g., killing gays for being gay or killing rape victims) are acceptable no matter upon whose field we play. The list of what is allowed gets shorter when they come here.

But lines must be drawn and we should have the courage of our convictions that our rules for society are 'G'ood and 'T'rue and 'R'ight and not give one inch. That applies every bit as much to Islamists as to the Hmong or the goddamned Scandis.

Off Topic  
I like having WickedPinto here even though I skip all but the first few sentences of what he writes most of the time. He's fun -- and more than a little.

Everybody has an online persona and WP's is fine by me. (And I've been here longer than most, by a stretch.)

48 P.S. That's not aimed at anybody in particular. I'm simply writing my support for WP, generally.

49 P.P.S. I also liked Amish and our dearly departed bird watcher SQUAWK!, spurwing plover.

50 i like wp too. in fact, youre all a bunch of fags compared to him. and by fags i mean delightfully flamboyant and mirthful chaps. just sayin

51

"eat my balls."

Not bad man.

I have no issue with you, and I don't understand your deliberate ignorance in any way, other than that you might be acting as I did, when I first introduced myself a little better than 2 years ago.

You have to come in with a bang.

Thing is, I was the fool, you are fighting to make me one.

Once again.

I didn't make this about me, You did.

Thanks for the recognition.  Now, you no longer exist.

52 Get a room, kids.

53 That's what i thought, you're just little cock sucker. Wicked tried to be polite to you, and so did i, but you just had to prove to everyone that you're nothing but an asshole. You accuse Wicked of having a me me me attitude, but you're the one demanding that other people change to please you. I imagine a lot of Ace's readers will read this thread and see what a worthless little fuck you are and  avoid you like the pile of shit on the sidewalk that you are.

54 forged: try harder
wicked: YOU ARE DEAD TO ME!!! DEAD I SAY!!! but seriously, spare me the histrionics. for real dude. you wanted recognition, thats all you ever wanted or ever want. your entire existence is based on it. whatever man. get butthurt about it. i dont care. i was merely politely commenting on your prefab "persona". get over it dude, its the internet.

55 I long for the day when http://attackcartoons.com/ is syndicated... [link not safe for PC wussies]

56 Christ almighty.  This is a fucking blog, people, not the court of the Sun King.  There's no rank here.  The amount of time spent reading this moron blog doesn't give you special insider privileges, and there are no decoder rings. 

<pause>

That I know of.

57

Don't you people know that WP is really Carol Herman?

I mean, neither one seems to be able to restrict the flow of carbon dioxide emitted from ye old cakehole.

58 That is about the wimpiest "sexual content" I have ever seen.  I guess that's why the excuse was so wimpy as well.  They were a matched set.

59

But enough about how WP relates the events of the day through the prism that is WP, how do *you* relate the events of the day through the prism that is WP?

Me?  I can't watch an episode of JAG without thinking about the events of the day and the prism that is WP.

----

I think the larger point is that Gabriel has gone *Big Time* and doesn't read or participate in the comments section ... much like ace does when he's actively following his own rules.

Regarding newspapers, comics, and religion.  Berke Breathed's done this sort of thing before: 'Fundamentally Oral' Bill was a direct parody on Evangelical Christians.  'Bhagwan Bill' could be construed as an attack on a religion. 

More generally:  hell, Doonsberry had a priest as a major character back in the day.  Beetle Baily had a Chaplain ... BC was overtly religious at times.  There are several Peanuts anthologies that are tied to Charles Shultz's use of the Gospel in his strips, which include direct quotations from the Bible.  Cathy wanted a church wedding, despite her being a slut.  Andy Capp had the vicar.  The Lockhorns have visited their clergyman.  There's probably a cleric somewhere in Prince Valiant and Gil Thorpe and or Rex Morgan may have said a prayer at one point or another. 

Yet the Washington Post remains curiously undestroyed by angry mobs of Christians and Shree Rajneesh followers.

60 MC:  we werent the last ones to invade, are you fucking serious?

The word was "first" not "last," genius.  In small words, the Sov's might have a thought or two on the need for using locals there.

Moving onto someone with higher brain function:

As far as saying this does not apply to our culture back home, well, this post rather puts paid to that concept now doesn't it?

Not from where I sit.  What we do with the Rage for Allah loons at home and what we do abroad in the service of our military aims are entirely different things.  Why would you see them as the same?  Do you think you should show the soles of your shoes in Middle Eastern cultures because you would not adopt their taboo about this at home?

61

I don't see the problem with censoring soccer balls in Afghanistan, as the whole purpose of the ball was to promote goodwill. The soccer ball backfired, so we apologize, correct it and go on.

The cartoon issue is different because it's about free speech in our own country. The Muslims are now stepping on our most revered values. They need to stop rioting over editorial cartoons and show some good will in our direction.

62 Looks like they changed their minds about the cartoon.

63

Thanks, Rightwingsparkle - that's the first time I've clicked over to Washington Post's cartoon page, and they earned the click.

Still, that cartoon sucks. Can't we find a way to offend muslims and be funny at the same time?

64 RWS:  Wrong!  It's web only.

65

Kerry-

I got a Ace decoder ring.  The first message I got was the be sure to eat my ovaltine.  And beware of filthy Scandis.

66

someone,

Really? So it's less offensive to put it on the web than  in papers?

67 Still, that cartoon sucks.

Breathed hasn't been funny for a loooooooooooooooong time.  Damn shame really.  Bloom County was all kinds of awesome.

68

you wanna riot, get shot up. you wanna rape, welcome to more of our glorious weaponry. you wanna be a normal fucking society built around shit that isnt insane, heres some cash. end of discussion. dont like it? fine, fuck your culture and its ancestry.

Fuckin A! And salt the earth it was built on too. You don't see any Carthaginians causing shit now, do you?

69 My .02

WickedPinto: deranged; absolutely, interesting; at times, approaching spurwingian status on multiple forums; no doubt.
man_chunk: not so much

Carry on.

70

Islam is incompatible with a democratic form of government, rule of civil law, and protection of individual liberties.  One or the others must go from American society.  Unlike any but the most dangerous cults we have experienced in America, muslims create fear and suspicion in the majority of citizens.  It is insane that Saudi Arabia will not allow Christians to build churches in their land, yet America should permit their massive mosque building campaign in The United States.  Islam is a problem and our worst enemies are muslim, performing their worshipful adoring acts of hate for allah against you and me.  Live free.  Let those die who would stand between you and your God-given right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of your happiness.  Stop muslim immigration now.  The islamification of America will end well by Divine design.  I do not have the same hope for the future of freedom in the land of the free.

IMHO, it's the perv window-peeking penguin the muslims would scream about, since it's obvious the filthy bird was meant to caricature mohammed the child molester (penguins piss upon him).  Islamic rage in 3, 2,...

71 RWS: I'm guessing the WaPo assumes the scary brown people don't have computers or something similarly ivory towerish.  Wait'll they see Internet Haganah.

72 Looks like Breathed joins the list of shocked & surprised liberal artists who were happily  loved & enjoyed by members of the Left. Right up to the point they were non-PC or espoused an opinion, or even a comic strip or song, that went against Leftard Lockstep Rightthink. Then they got kicked to the side in a hurry. Funny thing is, the strip IS vintage Breathed, from his Bloom County and Outland days. Political correctness, self-congratulatory "enlightenment", and the surface attraction of a "new" system of belief all take a pounding. Oops, WaPo doesn't REALLY go for that, especiallyl when they might get death threats from followers of the "Religion of Peace". Too bad they missed the point, especially given the previous strip. The overall theme of "everyone is/can be welcome in Heaven, no matter what we think here" got overshadowed by the flashback Falwell-Islam comparison. Breathed used that strip to set up his next two, a commentary on a religion that isn't inclusive at all, unless you follow all those rules. WaPo missed it big time, and made themselves look like censorious douchebags at the same time. Why Breathed continues to even try & get published in MSM papers instead of going to his own webcomic is beyond me at this point.

73

Man Chunk, I really have no issue, I just don't get this thing you had for me.  I can think of ONE reason, but I don't believe that applies to you.

I know I'm a buffoon, but to act as though all things I say are worthless because of that buffoonery irritated, not to mention it was late, I was tired, and kinda drunk.

You were still a bit of a dick, but then again, when I actually became a "regular" I was an outright lunatic, it's a decent method of introduction in closed societies.

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