Nuanced ABCNews Headline: IRAQ LIKE VIETNAM... BUSH'S NEW TALKING POINT AS 14 AMERICANS DIE
Update: Now Changed... But Screencaps Are Forever
The newsroom is a sacred, magical place where unhinged partisanship never intrudes into actual reportage.
Except when it does. The actual reference occurs on page three of the article:After comparing the current war against extremists with the militarists of Japan and the communists in Korea and Vietnam in Wednesday's speech, he plans to discuss the war in Iraq in the context of its implications for the broader Middle East in a speech next Tuesday at the annual American Legion convention in Reno, Nev.
Changed! Now reads "New Bush Talking Point: Iraq Like Vietnam." No more caps, no more "AS 14 AMERICANS DIE, DIE, DIE!!!11!!" 'Sokay. I got it all screencapped. The Actual Text Of His Remarks: Of course the MSM isn't interested in reporting them. But the Weekly Standard is. I'll swipe a bit because I'm going to link them in my next post anyhow:
Three decades later, there is a legitimate debate about how we got into the Vietnam War and how we left. There's no debate in my mind that the veterans from Vietnam deserve the high praise of the United States of America. (Applause.) Whatever your position is on that debate, one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like "boat people," "re-education camps," and "killing fields." There was another price to our withdrawal from Vietnam, and we can hear it in the words of the enemy we face in today's struggle -- those who came to our soil and killed thousands of citizens on September the 11th, 2001. In an interview with a Pakistani newspaper after the 9/11 attacks, Osama bin Laden declared that "the American people had risen against their government's war in Vietnam. And they must do the same today." His number two man, Zawahiri, has also invoked Vietnam. In a letter to al Qaeda's chief of operations in Iraq, Zawahiri pointed to "the aftermath of the collapse of the American power in Vietnam and how they ran and left their agents." Zawahiri later returned to this theme, declaring that the Americans "know better than others that there is no hope in victory. The Vietnam specter is closing every outlet." Here at home, some can argue our withdrawal from Vietnam carried no price to American credibility -- but the terrorists see it differently. We must remember the words of the enemy. We must listen to what they say. Bin Laden has declared that "the war [in Iraq] is for you or us to win. If we win it, it means your disgrace and defeat forever." Iraq is one of several fronts in the war on terror -- but it's the central front -- it's the central front for the enemy that attacked us and wants to attack us again. And it's the central front for the United States and to withdraw without getting the job done would be devastating. (Applause.) If we were to abandon the Iraqi people, the terrorists would be emboldened, and use their victory to gain new recruits. As we saw on September the 11th, a terrorist safe haven on the other side of the world can bring death and destruction to the streets of our own cities. Unlike in Vietnam, if we withdraw before the job is done, this enemy will follow us home. And that is why, for the security of the United States of America, we must defeat them overseas so we do not face them in the United States of America. (Applause.)As Allah points out, Bush didn't say Iraq was like Vietnam -- he said it would be like Vietnam were we to surrender. Apparently the high-nuanced folks at ABC have not mastered the nuances of the subjunctive or conditional moods.
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Posted by: zetetic at August 22, 2007 02:45 PM (L+e/N)
Posted by: Slublog at August 22, 2007 02:46 PM (R8+nJ)
Posted by: Dave at August 22, 2007 02:58 PM (cMUc8)
Posted by: Dave at August 22, 2007 02:59 PM (cMUc8)
Does the msm have any idea how much a significant percentage of its potential audience hates its f*cking guts?
And that it is hated because of its constant complete in-the-bone preening never-ending dishonesty?
I cannot wait until the msm as it presently exists disappears.
And I'm getting bored with waiting for it to die a slow natural death.
Posted by: maxxman at August 22, 2007 03:00 PM (OYeDg)
Posted by: Fred at August 22, 2007 03:05 PM (ivbbD)
Brilliant.
Posted by: wiserbud at August 22, 2007 03:09 PM (wWwJR)
Meh..maybe I'm not finding it but I think it's allready changed a bit.
All I see is a link that says "Bush Likens Iraq to Vietnam as 14 Americans Die in Copter Crash" in the 'Top Stories' section.
Click on it and the headline is "Bush: History to Prove Iraq War Worth It"
The title on the webpage is still "ABC News: Bush to Invoke Vietnam in Iraq Speech as 14 U.S. Soldiers Die"
Posted by: Entropy at August 22, 2007 03:09 PM (m6c4H)
Vietnam is a country, Iraq is a country...
Hitler is a man, Bush is man...
Black is gray, white is gray, blah blah, pay me my six figures for my PhD you Christianist knuckle-draggers!!!
Posted by: Nuanced Sullyfan Koshead at August 22, 2007 03:14 PM (AQj/2)
I am sick of his being too nice. I can not wait for Fred to be our man. I have supported Bush and continue to support his war on terror but he has lost me on most other issues starting with immigration. Guess I have said enough. I find I read a short post and not many of the longer ones anyway.
Posted by: UncleZeb at August 22, 2007 03:19 PM (l4QX/)
Posted by: sinistar at August 22, 2007 03:20 PM (uk8VC)
Posted by: Sticky B at August 22, 2007 03:20 PM (7NejS)
It doesn't matter if it was an accident. Anything that can be used to further
the MSM's agenda that the war is a disaster will be ceased upon.
Military service has always been a dangerous occupation, you can put these deaths into context by telling the reader that from 1992 to 2000 there were
approx. 5000 accidental deaths and this is during a time of peace. In fact
accidental deaths have actually gone down since the start of the war.
Posted by: McLovin at August 22, 2007 03:23 PM (SAQWb)
...what is wrong with Bush and/or his handlers for giving them this kind of freebie?
...I agree with wiserbud, the fuck are Bush's handlers thinking?
Maybe you haven't noticed, but Bush isn't really surrounded by the best and brightest. Good intentions, maybe.
Posted by: Editor at August 22, 2007 03:24 PM (SJCkB)
Insty has another example of the left's fluid narratives
IT USED TO BE "LISTEN TO THE GENERALS:" Now it's "don't listen to the generals." The story keeps changing; only the motivation remains the same.
Posted by: topsecretk9 at August 22, 2007 03:27 PM (0rJrY)
It's called the 'new tone.'
Posted by: z ryan at August 22, 2007 03:29 PM (gnI3s)
Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at August 22, 2007 03:29 PM (MJbn9)
Do they really want us to associate Iraq with Vietnam and helicopters?
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at August 22, 2007 03:31 PM (Lz6uE)
Changed! Now reads "New Bush Talking Point: Iraq Like Vietnam."
I still have no idea what you're talking about.
I don't see that...but I do still see what I mentioned above which does mention 14 soldiers dying in the same headline.
Posted by: Entropy at August 22, 2007 03:46 PM (m6c4H)
This is what kills me. I looked everywhere on the left side of the blogosphere and could find no reference to our killing or capturing 1,500 al Qaeda every month since Jan. Not one.
But they did have this nugget over at Atrios:
I don't know of anybody who isn't desperately supportive of the military," she said. "People want to say positive things. But it's difficult to say positive things in this environment and not have some snarky apologist for the White House turn it into some clipped phraseology that looks like support for the president's policies.
This is only half of the equation, however. Any criticism of the president's policies is instantly redirected at "the troops." If you praise the military, you're actually praising Bush! If you bash Bush, you're actually bashing the military!
It's quite sick, it's been going on for a long time, and all decent people should find it revolting"
Question. When has this EVER happened? Please find me one example of the a "snarky apologist" saying when a Democrat makes a positive statement about the military that he/she is praising Bush??? Good grief. I guess it's more important to stay quite about how wonderful our military is than to MAYBE be looked at as supporting Bush in any way. Ugh.
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at August 22, 2007 03:49 PM (kzQrA)
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at August 22, 2007 03:50 PM (kzQrA)
Posted by: TheEJS at August 22, 2007 03:53 PM (q1cZW)
Posted by: krakatoa at August 22, 2007 03:54 PM (n+ZaI)
Posted by: Nice Deb at August 22, 2007 03:56 PM (7FhzA)
Posted by: Nice Deb at August 22, 2007 03:59 PM (7FhzA)
Does anybody have President Bush's exact words in which he used the word Vietnam?
I mean, if he said banalities like, "....In Iraq we face a vicious and determined enemy, just like we faced in Vietnam, Korea and Japan...." that is not exactly a comparison. It is just some filler words. If we dont have filler words, speeches will be over in 3 sentences.
Neither is some words to the effect: "Compared to Vietnam war, the casualities/battles/resources were less/more/better/worse.....". This one is a contrasting, although called as comparing.
Posted by: Tushar D at August 22, 2007 04:01 PM (IlgNp)
That is the cost of being associated with the rabid anti-war movement. Success in Iraq means that Mr. Bush's policy's were wise and the left's were not. That means Bush gets a legacy of greatness and the left can't stand that prospect.
They have to pull for defeat in Iraq because without it, the hated Bush-Cheney Halliburton Junta gets to declare victory.
What a sad existence that must be. The left finds itself pulling for the troops to come home in military defeat so that they can declare a political victory.
Feel free to accuse them of being un-Patriotic. They've confessed, already.
Posted by: Dave at August 22, 2007 04:04 PM (cMUc8)
But I thought they read books?
Posted by: topsecretk9 at August 22, 2007 04:07 PM (0rJrY)
I had not read Bush's exact words before writing my previous comment. Guess I was right to have my doubts.
You were saying something, Wiserbud?
Posted by: Tushar D at August 22, 2007 04:13 PM (IlgNp)
Commies lie. Commies protest. Commies shame. Righties get scared. Righties fold. Commies celebrate. Genocide. Dictatorship. Commies blame Righties. Righties take it in the ass.
Iraq = Vietnam
Posted by: Tyke at August 22, 2007 04:14 PM (AQj/2)
Nice Deb,
I don't know why it does that. I made sure it was right in the url box.
But here is the url:
www.rightwingsparkle.blogspot.com
Come on over, I have some juicy stuff!
Posted by: Rightwingsparkle at August 22, 2007 04:14 PM (kzQrA)
Posted by: sinistar at August 22, 2007 04:26 PM (uk8VC)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 22, 2007 04:39 PM (pzen5)
Posted by: sinistar at August 22, 2007 04:41 PM (uk8VC)
Well, Bush should have anticipated how the MSN would spin his words.
That said, the reality is the liberals, leftists, hippies, etc; who protested Vietnam and claim credit for our withdrawel should have been blamed for all the atrocities, the boat people, Pol Pot, the re-education camps, the massacres, all of which followed the withdrawel. They should have been made to face the results of their actions, results they knew full well would happen.
If they had, we might be better off today.
Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at August 22, 2007 04:43 PM (1ae93)
Posted by: ricpic at August 22, 2007 04:48 PM (0FRi9)
That is also part of the problem with our education system too. Way too many know of 'education' but few now know the subjects that they are expected to convey. That's why when a Sagan or Chrichton shows up that can spin a yarn and the back story science of it correctly they make such a splash. That's why most liberals hate the book 'State of Fear'.
Posted by: Johnmc at August 22, 2007 04:52 PM (zAUn9)
Posted by: wiserbud at August 22, 2007 04:58 PM (IHbof)
Their doctoral thesis level of thinking was fully demonstrated by Gallelio reincarnated the other night on the History Channel. "I saw a puff of smoke, so the building was brought down by controlled demolition charges," or "the lake is 6 miles away (by driving routes)."
So, yeah, that's some good nuance there. I guess nuance means shades of crazy.
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Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at August 22, 2007 05:22 PM (MJbn9)
Posted by: joeindc44 at August 22, 2007 05:26 PM (za2Xz)
Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at August 22, 2007 05:37 PM (Kz30m)
Oooh, there's an idea for a book.
A scifi book - you've read it before - we send off a bunch of people to colonize a new planet.
Except here's the plug - they're all the morons. We sent them there to get rid of them.
What would the imbecile society ruled by people who were the rejects even among journalists look like, assuming it managed to accidentally survive?
Posted by: Entropy at August 22, 2007 05:39 PM (HgAV0)
Louisiana?
Posted by: wiserbud at August 22, 2007 05:49 PM (wWwJR)
Posted by: The Atom Bomb of Loving Kindness at August 22, 2007 05:58 PM (Kz30m)
All the useless people were packed aboard a colony ship after being lied to that their world was going to end.
That ship landed on prehistoric earth, and those people became earthlings.*
* Maybe. The book suggests that maybe that primitive hominids on earth went on to become our ancestors after all.
Posted by: ace at August 22, 2007 05:58 PM (1UCRY)
Uh, troops die in "copter crashes" in non combat zones too. In fact, in the "peace and prosperity" that was the Clinton years, more troops died than did in the first 4 years of OIF.
The total military dead in the Iraq war between 2003 and this month stands at about 3,133. This is tragic, as are all deaths due to war, and we are facing a cowardly enemy unlike any other in our past that hides behind innocent citizens. Each death is blazoned in the headlines of newspapers and Internet sites. What is never compared is the number of military deaths during the Clinton administration: 1,245 in 1993; 1,109 in 1994; 1,055 in 1995; 1,008 in 1996. That’s 4,417 deaths in peacetime but, of course, who’s counting?
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Posted by: Mark E. at August 22, 2007 09:33 PM (W4zkU)
I get the impression that most of the junior staffers that work throughout the MSM think they work at The Daily show? Or the god-awful Colbert Report?
The juvenille, inside-joke, snarky thinking exhibited in ABC's caption makes me think that the MSM will be getting much worse before it can get better (if?).
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Posted by: Scrapiron at August 22, 2007 10:31 PM (8nB5X)
one unmistakable legacy of Vietnam is that the price of America's withdrawal was paid by millions of innocent citizens whose agonies would add to our vocabulary new terms like "boat people," "re-education camps," and "killing fields."
This happened precisely because we waited too long to leave and because of Nixon & Kissinger's excellent adventure in Cambodia.
Posted by: Steve J. at August 23, 2007 03:32 AM (e0wLW)
the MSM's agenda that the war is a disaster
OK, what agenda does this guy have?
NATIONAL REVIEW ONLINE
February 24, 2006 2:51 PM
It Didn't Work
By William F. Buckley Jr.
"I can tell you the main reason behind all our woes—it is America." The New York Times reporter is quoting the complaint of a clothing merchant in a Sunni stronghold in Iraq. "Everything that is going on between Sunni and Shiites, the troublemaker in the middle is America."
One can't doubt that the American objective in Iraq has failed.
Posted by: Steve J. at August 23, 2007 03:36 AM (e0wLW)
I looked everywhere on the left side of the blogosphere and could find no reference to our killing or capturing 1,500 al Qaeda every month since Jan. Not one.
I didn't do this to please you but since you asked:
http://radamisto.blogspot.com/2007/08/numbers-game.html
Posted by: Steve J. at August 23, 2007 03:43 AM (e0wLW)
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All-Time Best NBA Players, According to Senator Robert Byrd
Other Bad Things About the Jews, According to the Koran
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Examples of Bob Kerrey's Insufferable Racial Jackassery
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Other Judgments Dick Clarke Made About Condi Rice Based on Her Appearance
Collective Names for Groups of People
John Kerry's Other Vietnam Super-Pets
Cool Things About the XM8 Assault Rifle
Media-Approved Facts About the Democrat Spy
Changes to Make Christianity More "Inclusive"
Secret John Kerry Senatorial Accomplishments
John Edwards Campaign Excuses
John Kerry Pick-Up Lines
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Iraqi Prisoner Claims He Was Raped... By Woman
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John Kerry's "Plan" Causes Surrender of Moqtada al-Sadr's Militia
World Muslim Leaders Apologize for Nick Berg's Beheading
Michael Moore Goes on Lunchtime Manhattan Death-Spree
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Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
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They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
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Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
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Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
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