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For America-Hating, Padilla-Supporting Liberals On This Dark Day

DU, DKos (The New Political Center of America &trade, HuffPo, and sundry other jagoffs are well-nigh drenched in hot Che-Che tears over the conviction. They are brave enough to show their love for America by supporting its enemies who would kill Americans.

Those who love America show it by denigrating and beating the shit out of her at every opportunity. Call it the Ike Turner school of patriotism.

Well, I'm all about reconciliation. Perhaps a bit of sympathetic melody would help take away the sting?

I think so. I was going to go with Ray of Light because I thought liberals might need the emotional boost from that synthwhore classic, but I fear that such a bouncy, exuberant bit of electroskank might be interpreted the wrong way.

Like, baiting or something. Which is certainly not my intent.

So instead I offer them this. It's dark, it's sad, it's haunting.

Just like Jose Padilla's gorgeous brown eyes.

Enjoy.

Courage.

Posted by: Ace at 04:01 PM



Comments

1 and it's very, very gay!

Posted by: hit me at August 16, 2007 04:05 PM (RtmvC)

2 I didn't know Sullivan could sing.

Posted by: JackStraw at August 16, 2007 04:06 PM (t+mja)

3 Ace, you're a bastard.  That's why I love you.

Posted by: kev at August 16, 2007 04:06 PM (3bO8t)

4

Isn't there some quote about real patriots hating their government (unless it's a Clinton)...war is wrong, Bush lied Kids Died, *insert jejune cliche here*.

 Hatred for Bushitler has infected their reason...

Democratic Underground - Bring Teh Ghey before it was cool.

Posted by: Stout Republican at August 16, 2007 04:13 PM (pycrG)

5 That video is soooooo gay that it motivates me to make man-love to Ace!

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 04:14 PM (NJi0O)

6 That video is pretty darn gay.

Posted by: Boy George at August 16, 2007 04:19 PM (zXUuJ)

7 Really digging the emoticon next to the trademark symbol - nice, nice touch.

Posted by: topsecretk9 at August 16, 2007 04:21 PM (0rJrY)

8

It's when crap like this happens that I wish I'd never written that fucking 'First' thing.  When the Nazis came for the Jews, there were, like, ** thousands ** of Jews around the streets, owning shops, living their live, not a half-dozen or so dyed-in-the-wool bad guys hiding behind a Constitution. 

And the Jews weren't lighting their shoes on fire to try and blow up airplanes.

That we know of.

So, fuck it, don't worry yourselves, call me when the Ron Paul supporters are invited to local meetups and are summarily rounded up and carted off ...

 

Posted by: Dietrich Bonhoffer at August 16, 2007 04:21 PM (Gz4Wf)

9

Ike Turner patriots – they say they love America, but they’re always beating the shit out of her.


Ace, that allusion is brilliant!


Posted by: catty Kat at August 16, 2007 04:22 PM (7vYGP)

10

Posted by: Dietrich Bonhoffer at August 16, 2007 04:21 PM (Gz4Wf)

Heh.

Best comment of this thread, I'll wager.

Posted by: Hat tip to Bonhoffer at August 16, 2007 04:24 PM (AgvtJ)

11 Really digging the emoticon next to the trademark symbol - nice, nice touch.

What really need is someone to design a pole smoking emoticon.

Posted by: Tay Is The Way! at August 16, 2007 04:25 PM (MfGah)

12 well-nigh drenched in hot Che-Che tears

This phrase belongs in some kind of Ace of Spades Hall of Fame. 

Posted by: Phinn at August 16, 2007 04:28 PM (DiZv6)

13 This is a timely theme song for the leftards today too -- Tears of a the Clown(s)

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 16, 2007 04:29 PM (7pxQ8)

14 im gonna say it....im gonna say it right now. that word. that word which makes some of you nancys get all wobbly when you go down to man-town. ok, here it comes. faggots. there, i said it. its said. it will be said again in the future. probably a lot.

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 04:34 PM (jyBgM)

15 dude, calm down on saying faggot.  I know you think it's all kewl because they use it on 4chan and so forth but calm the fuck down.


Posted by: A Life at August 16, 2007 04:40 PM (1UCRY)

16 It's obvious man_chunk is teh ghey. Don't deny yourself the pleasure of manflesh. You know you want it.

Posted by: Tay Is The Way! at August 16, 2007 04:43 PM (MfGah)

17

Hey man-chunk, check the hash mark of "A Life".  1UCRY

Guess what?  That's the mark of cain, I mean the mark of ace.

So yer well on the way to pissing off yer host.

Just food for thought.

Posted by: A clue for man chunk at August 16, 2007 04:45 PM (AgvtJ)

18

Sweet, sweet man-flesh.

I shall enjoy eating it so much...

Posted by: Andrew Sullivan (the little known canibal, not the famous gay pundit) at August 16, 2007 04:47 PM (AgvtJ)

19 so let me get this strait priscilla, we can sit here and make innuendo all day long about sully and such, which i find quite hilarious most of the time, but the moment i call someone a faggot, purely for economical reasons in that im too lazy to type out 'the ghey', or call them an out and out pansy, you little twits feel all offended. fine. how bout this you little chodes, i'll subsitute faggorts instead. that way i dont offend your precious little sensibilities.

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:00 PM (jyBgM)

20 Wow, Liza looks great!

Posted by: bmac at August 16, 2007 05:01 PM (GPVwP)

21 I'd do him.  Say, you suppose he has power glutes?

Posted by: not Ryan but an incredible simulation at August 16, 2007 05:04 PM (9V0JT)

22
man_chunk,

I think you are missing the point, we say "teh ghey" or "nancy boy" in jest and for humor purposes, you are saying "faggot" as a slur. There is a big difference you chode.

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:07 PM (NJi0O)

23

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:00 PM (jyBgM)

Well, what a fabulous idea man-chunk.  You got it all, both a hot bod, and a razor sharp wit. Seriously, ace, this guy's a keeper.

You, know, you said you used "faggot" (6 keystrokes...ohhh, I said strokes) instead of "the ghey" (8 keystokings) because you wanted to be all, what was that fancy word you used... oh that right, ECONOMICAL.

Well aren't you a smart one!  6 keystrokes vs 8 keystrokes! 

But I was just wondering, if you use the word "faggorts", aren't you right back to 8 keystroks?  So wouldn't you be just as well served (mmm, I'll serve you, big guy) to use the term "the ghey"?

Well, I don't know what else to say, except I hope you stick arround man-chunk.  I haven't been this excited since JimBimbo came arround.

Tah tah!

Posted by: Your gay friend... at August 16, 2007 05:09 PM (AgvtJ)

24 If you think they love Padilla now just wait until he writes a book for children, warning them not to get involved with dirty bombs.

Posted by: Aldo at August 16, 2007 05:10 PM (xthPs)

25

how bout this you little chodes

Hmmm. Hrm. ....no. I'm sorry, but no. This level of clue-free idiocy does not rise to the level of inspired trollishness I would need to summon a truly original insult. Thus, I can only fall back on a tried-and-true chestnut from previous posts: you, sir, deserve to be hit in the neck with a cactus and then be mocked as you cry in pain.

 

Posted by: Monty at August 16, 2007 05:12 PM (/V4PN)

26 mr. minority, how can you presume to know my intention you pompous douche monger? no really please enlighten me. i find teh ghey funny from like 3 years ago. and faggots is a pretty good word for across the board ridicule if you ask me, and has lurched more into the realm of calling something 'gay' rather than being a slur against teh homo-steins. so in other words, you can eat me you poncy little twat

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:12 PM (jyBgM)

27 Nancy boy? I may or may not be offended.

Posted by: Dude named Nancy, you know, like boy named Sue at August 16, 2007 05:12 PM (GPVwP)

28 Your gay friend: Back off, bitch! man_chunk is all mine! Last night we made sweet sweet love. man_chunk: I'm sorry if I was too rough with you last night. But everybody's first ass pounding hurts a little. I'll be gentler tonight. Promise. smoochies!

Posted by: I love man_chunks at August 16, 2007 05:14 PM (ev6zm)

29 Convicting Padilla means conclusively that everything is going fine in Iraq and we are winning and will inevitably and without any further troubles, injuries or loss of life win the war there.

Posted by: hit and run at August 16, 2007 05:16 PM (Kt8vP)

30 ...you can eat me you poncy little twat

I am sorry I can't accommodate you butt_chunk, as I do not nor have I ever partaken in the consumption of SHIT.


Have a Nice Day!

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:17 PM (NJi0O)

31

douche monger

I find this interesting. You are essentially accusing mr. minority of being either a retail clerk, a pharmacist, or a grocer, as any of these personages would sell feminine-hygeine products. These are noble and necessary professions, to be sure, but I don't recall mr. minority ever posting about his day-job here at Ace's....

Or did you not understand what "monger" means? In which case your lack of wit is simply reasserting itself. There are many fine on-line thesauri to choose from when looking for le mot juste; failing to take this avenue may leave you open to further humiliation.

Posted by: Monty at August 16, 2007 05:18 PM (/V4PN)

32

When did it become bad to say faggot here? I've heard worse from you ass-ramming cockmasters before.

However man_chunk has got the whole vibe of this site wrong. Throwing around slurs just because Ace is reluctant to delete shit is not a reason to do so.

Posted by: Don Carne at August 16, 2007 05:21 PM (wSNS7)

33 ...you, sir, deserve to be hit in the neck with a cactus and then be mocked as you cry in pain.

Thank you Monty, you gave me satisfying visual of butt_chunk being wacked in the neck with a wicked barrel cactus and him dancing around in screaming agony.

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:22 PM (NJi0O)

34 ok, no offense monty or mr. minority, but you both truly suck. i mean you suck out loud. im embarassed for you and that half-assed reverse trolling attempt. you'd be better off getting laughs at the glory hole you two most likely frequent.

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:23 PM (jyBgM)

35 I've heard worse from you ass-ramming cockmasters before.

Why Thank You Don, kind words like that will get you a reach around.

Love & Kisses
xxooxxoo

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:24 PM (NJi0O)

36 ok, just to refresh you imbeciles, faggots...or now faggorts for the delicately inclined, is no more of a slur in my usage than any one of you douchetwits using 'teh ghey' (hehe hurf durf...teh ghey). so whatever. stay butt hurt.

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:26 PM (jyBgM)

37

Posted by: I love man_chunks at August 16, 2007 05:14 PM (ev6zm)

Oh no you didn't!  I know you didn't just go there.  Man-chunks is MINE!!!

You know what this means...  QUEER FIGHT!!!

The winner...gets to sodimize man-chunks in the comment section for all time.

Who do you want sodimizing you, man-chunk?  Me, or "I love man chunks"?

Posted by: Your gay friend... at August 16, 2007 05:28 PM (AgvtJ)

38 I second Don Carne

you faggots can't get all hysterical over a little slung mud, or we'll start to look like Dkos. 

jeez. 

faggots.

and anyone notice how fucking MUCH Boy George looks like Frodo?

Maybe it's just because ace posted the Boy George video that you packers are getting all sensitive.

That said, man_chunk is virtually incoherent so just ignore his lame trolling ass.  But the use of the word "poncy" does get a small nod for creativity.

Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 05:29 PM (p1s9n)

39

man_chunk:

I also forgot to mention that there is a special key on your keyboard called the Shift Key. This enables you to use the upper-case character set, and thus produce properly-formatted sentences. Neglecting to use the proper case when typing tends to make people think that you are a mouth-breathing moron whose lack of wit might be the result of years of self-abuse combined with natively low intelligence. Remember: proper spelling, good word-choice, and a snappy prose line doesn't help if you don't use good punctuation!

Further to that: "suck out loud" fails as humorous exaggeration. The proper expression stems from the line "stink out loud", which was au courant back in the 1980's but seems to have fallen from favor since then. You might want to buy a newer copy of Jokes For The John so you can keep your humor on the cutting-edge!

Posted by: Monty at August 16, 2007 05:30 PM (UdJCa)

40

Keep in mind guys, that I can't be held responsible for any spelling errors in the above post.  After all, I'm just a dumb, lisping "faggort."

But I know what I'm gonna do with man-chunk after I kick that other queers ass...

Rowr!!!

Posted by: Your gay friend... at August 16, 2007 05:30 PM (AgvtJ)

41 ok, no offense monty or mr. minority, but you both truly suck. i mean you suck out loud. im embarassed for you and that half-assed reverse trolling attempt. you'd be better off getting laughs at the glory hole you two most likely frequent.

You've hurt me, you've hurt me deeply. I think I will end it all because you said I suck out load. Good-bye cruel world.

NOT!

butt_chunk,
Is it because you are naturally mentally slow or is it because you are just an obtuse asshole that you haven't realized that we joke around, sling words in jest, where as you used "faggot" as a slur:

oh and in conclusion, youre a faggot. just sayin

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 03:25 PM (jyBgM)

Get with the program jizz-mopper or get out.


Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:32 PM (NJi0O)

42 Mr. Minority don't tease me you bitch.

Posted by: Don Carne at August 16, 2007 05:33 PM (wSNS7)

43 did you just use "NOT!" without even a hint of irony? are you fucking kidding me? what is this freaking 1991 all of a sudden and you losers are just now picking up on imitating freaking waynes world?get the fuck out of here with that weak chesse. jesus. faggorts

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:36 PM (jyBgM)

44 Aha.

Now I see.  Ol' chunky has been pulling this act on non-Boy George threads, too.   Yeah, he's obviously a troll with no comprehension of  how to use what are otherwise slurs as humor.  He misses the boat by a good bit, it seems. 

Rock on, you shining light of chunk.

Moby fucker.

Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 05:37 PM (p1s9n)

45 yeah im a moby. sure dickhead. i just think its hilarious that when i call something faggotish, or make fun of faggotry, or faggotishnish, all you hardenedd cynics just turn to mush and start crying. is it weeping vagina day here or something? did i walk in on a secret pride meeting that i didnt know about? wtf is going on here? is there no where left i can call something faggoty and not feel like im gonna be persecuted? but seriously....you guys are all faggots. no offense. cry some more

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:42 PM (jyBgM)

46 From the grammar, syntax, determination, and style, I'd say ol' chunky is about age 18 or 19.

Get a jeorb, chunky.

"weak cheese"?  What are you, 15 instead?

And by the way, we need bad news for good comedy here.  Like the "Thanks, Nancy" shit after our collective collapse.

Now, then, for the rest of you, let this moran serve as a reminder to keep the funny standards high around here or we will be infested with this sort of pedestrian banality. 

Holy shit, I just thought of something.  THe style is much different, but the mentality is eerily familiar . . . to Cedarford.

Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 05:42 PM (p1s9n)

47 oh sorry, i meant faggorts.

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:43 PM (jyBgM)

48 im not cedarford. i dont hate jews. ive been around longer thatn you think

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:44 PM (jyBgM)

49
butt_chunk,
I have to apologize, messing with you is too much like screwing with a retarded kid, it's just not right, and I will cease.

But I do have to say that you remind me of a stupid bass that keeps getting itself hooked on a shiny lure, even after it has been thrown back 5 times already. Fun to play with, but predictable.

I also have to admit the thought of a cactus stuck in your neck is pretty damn funny.

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:44 PM (NJi0O)

50 man_chunk...can I ask you a favor? If you are going to show up out of nowhere and insult your betters, could you at least be amusing while doing it?  Right now you are failing the internets. Do try and pick up your game, okay?  Thanks.

Posted by: Drew at August 16, 2007 05:45 PM (hlYel)

51

Faggort. That should be the new way to write it from now on. Faggort. With the R.

That's funny man.

Posted by: bmac at August 16, 2007 05:45 PM (GPVwP)

52 no chunk.  I love to use the word faggot, even perjoritively.  You just might want to rethink its usage with hardened regulars.  With the possible exception of Bart, almost no one here is as anti-faggot (i.e. militant, identity politics gays) as I am.  But there's a difference between jokes, cutting or otherwise, and unfunny and childish insults that lack any real creativity.  I know you lack the shall we say, sophisitication to appreciate the distinction, but here's a clue:

BE FUNNY, or at least clever.

You are neither.

Faggot

Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 05:46 PM (p1s9n)

53 Haha! That vid is a fat load of Teh Ghey.
-Funny

Posted by: whatthecrap? at August 16, 2007 05:47 PM (KC9he)

54 Ace, Beautiful post. I want to frame it for my wall as an inspiration to strive for rhetorical greatness.

Or something.

I actually love that song. Boy George can sing.

Posted by: Stormy70 at August 16, 2007 05:48 PM (Y+o71)

55 I actually love that song. Boy George can sing.

Stormy,
If you were a man, I would call you a faggort. Just saying.

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:51 PM (NJi0O)

56 ok fine malphonse, but please point me to the commenter displaying this vaunted and covetted "sophistication and creativity" and i will stand corrected. otherwise that just sounds like pretentious bullshit. and btw, hardened is the last adjective i would use to describe any of you sensitive sallys. but im pleased we see eye to eye on the use of faggot. cause honestly, i cant go like 5 minutes without saying it. its like 'the' or 'a' to me.

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:52 PM (jyBgM)

57 Is she a female faggort?  Like a male lesbian?  And if so, does that mean she likes it Wonkette-style?

I'll be in my bunk.

Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 05:53 PM (p1s9n)

58

faggort?

 

Is that some kinda some Harry Potter thing?

Posted by: Alexander Hamilton at August 16, 2007 05:53 PM (pzen5)

59 but im pleased we see eye to eye on the use of faggot. cause honestly, i cant go like 5 minutes without saying it.

That is called "projection"

Posted by: Mr Minority at August 16, 2007 05:54 PM (NJi0O)

60 try harder

Posted by: man_chunk at August 16, 2007 05:54 PM (jyBgM)

61 Well, as a chick I can like gay men, music, shows, etc.

My TV hardly leaves Bravo, for Gaia's sake!

I must be a faggort: Straight chick who is secure enough in her straightness to enjoy gay men and their assorted entertainment..

As for lesbians, KD Lang can kick anyone's ass with her music.
Crying, indeed. Post that song for these liberal cry babies.

Posted by: Stormy70 at August 16, 2007 05:59 PM (Y+o71)

62 chunk-o, they're hardened because you are sashaying your little man-ass around the place.  And you seme to like the attention.  Jus' sayin.

No, everyone needs to step up their game.  Regulars should be able to deal with such weak and  blatant trolling without getting all flustered.  THen kick you lame ass to the curb. 

 And we precisely don't see eye-to-eye on the use of "faggot."  In particular, you still have yet to make it a joke or ironic tweak, as opposed to a fifth grade insult.


Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 06:00 PM (p1s9n)

63 And I'm pretty much done with this one.

Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 06:02 PM (p1s9n)

64 Manchunk, you're a stupid twat, and you're just ruining what could have been a funny thread with your stupidity and twattiness.

I would advise you to become less stupid and/or less of a twat in a hurry.

Drop it.  Now.  Savvy?


 

Posted by: ace at August 16, 2007 06:12 PM (1UCRY)

65 I see someone forgot to put the super-clip back on the bag of Andy Capp Faggot Fries and now they're all over the floor.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 16, 2007 06:21 PM (7pxQ8)

66

Life is too short to wade through these comments, but did anyone point out that the choice of song is even sweeter in light of the movie in which it was used?

The Crying Game (1992) is a popular and critically acclaimed Irish film written and directed by Neil Jordan. The film explores themes of race, gender, nationality, and sexuality against the backdrop of the Irish Troubles. The original working title of this film was The Soldier's Wife.

The film was notable for its dramatic plot twist, in which it is revealed that a seemingly female main character has a penis, and for a sympathetic portrayal of characters from often-reviled subcultures, presented here as complex and likable human beings. Audiences accepted the film as a thriller, but also as an unconventional romance. As one of the first mainstream dramas to deal with transgender issues, it has become a major film in discussions of alternative sexualities and popular culture.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Crying_Game

Ace, you magnificent bastard!

 

Posted by: Jason at August 16, 2007 06:26 PM (dK2aq)

67 try harder

Dude, it's the shift key. It's right there! See? It's the big one on the bottom row next to the 'Z' key on the left and (on my keyboard) the '/' character on the right. When you hold it down and press the key you want to appear in uppercase, it works like so: "Try harder." See the difference? Your lame-assed comeback is transformed into proper English.

Posted by: Monty at August 16, 2007 06:30 PM (AgSBq)

68 Hmmm..... now that I've skimmed the comments, I suspect that some of the posters were too young to get into a theater to see The Crying Game in 1992.  Dang, I feel old. 

Posted by: Jason at August 16, 2007 06:31 PM (dK2aq)

69 and anyone notice how fucking MUCH Boy George looks like Frodo?

Posted by: malphonse at August 16, 2007 05:29 PM (p1s9n)

I didn't think of Boy George's resemblance to Elijah Wood, although I see it now that malphonse has pointed it out.  I was reminded of Princess Diana; whenever BG looked down, the expression looked somewhat like conscious imitation.

Posted by: Kralizec at August 16, 2007 06:32 PM (8DZyr)

70 man_chunk = Bart, finally off his meds?

Posted by: hmm at August 16, 2007 06:33 PM (SOdoh)

71 "the Ike Turner school of patriotism" I agree with catty Kat. That nailed it.

Posted by: right at August 16, 2007 06:54 PM (oy61H)

72 THe style is much different, but the mentality is eerily familiar . . . to Cedarford.

That is a vile canard.  Cedarford was a quality troll, and capable of genuine wit (when not engaged in racial insults, or obsessing about the trade balance with China's).  I shall never forget his hilarious Japanese Sailor Love Dolls comment.  Comparing Cedarford to the dim-witted Man-Chunks is a gross libel.

Posted by: Michael at August 16, 2007 06:58 PM (QVQW1)

73 3:23 of my life. Gone.
Can we have "Ray of Light," please?

Posted by: m at August 16, 2007 08:32 PM (pRkEh)

74

Brilliant....

My God "The Boy" reminds me of some Elijah Wood Tranny in that vid.

I forgot how much I liked that song....sorry...I do.

Posted by: Vinnie V at August 16, 2007 09:05 PM (mtwC6)

75 So, what are the complaints about Padilla? That he was tortured by:

Sensory deprivation, i.e., sponges covering his eyes when they transported him?

That the Sheikh was waterboarded and gave up Padialla? Because I have found no proof that Padilla himself was waterboarded.  Now most people, and I am one of them, don't consider waterboarding torture. And, who interrogated Sheikhy? I suspect it was not an American and it was done outside the US.  Regardless, it was not Padilla that was waterboarded.  So, all this yammering about him being tortured is nothing but yammering? Oh, I'm afraid so.

Posted by: My Schwanz Is Alive! © at August 16, 2007 09:30 PM (ev6zm)

76 Is that <i>Boy George</I>, you sick bastard?

It is, isn't it?

Posted by: mojo at August 16, 2007 09:49 PM (KQEGE)

77 For America-Hating, Padilla-Supporting Liberals On This Dark Day . . . DU, DKos (The New Political Center of America ™, HuffPo, and sundry other jagoffs are well-nigh drenched in hot Che-Che tears over the conviction. They are brave enough to show their love for America by supporting its enemies who would kill Americans. Those who love America show it by denigrating and beating the shit out of her at every opportunity.

Ace, I gotta respond to this. And it's a shame, because I don't have much in the way of eloquence or even basic coherence, sometimes, and this is really important. Not, I should say, because you're leveling these sorts of scurrilous accusations (however indirectly and unknowingly) at me, many of my friends, and my political/culture ~allies. After all, tossing insults is basically what the internet's for,(along with cute cat pictures, porn, and offers of a very special investment opportunity from Nigeria) and this sort of slander was old before the internet was born, even if some of the phrases were different.

No, it's not that. It's because I love this country, and that kind of garbage - and yes, however sincere and honest your outrage, that's what these claims are - isn't good for it. Certainly, it's divisive, but there's another danger too - more subtle,perhaps, but far worse. What? Oh yes, I love my country - and know it or not, when you sneer " Those who love America show it by denigrating and beating the shit out of her at every opportunity, there's a tiny piece of truth stuck in this lie, though buried deep, distorted and rendered nearly unrecognizable as if in some strange funhouse mirror.

Why are some folks upset about the Padilla conviction? There's various reasons. Besides the tiny, tiny handful of humorless fools and well-meaning morons who have actually convinced themselves of something like what you claim? There are some people who - without any illusions - nevertheless find compassion for a fellow human, however degraded. (Some of them might even follow some long-haired freak who went on about sissy stuff like "turning the other cheek" and "loving your enemies" - obviously some sort of hippy-dippy lefty defeat-o-crat, hopefully got what was coming to him . . .)

Now, I'm generally all about the peace, love and understanding kumbaya, and this the two-bit thug turned small-time jihadist doesn't seem to have been particularly important or competent. But his comrades killed a couple of thousand innocent people in my hometown a few years back, and like a lot of others I'm haven't found myself exactly overflowing with mercy or forgiveness.* I try to find some, I end up having to reach so far down into myself that my hand comes out my own ass, and nobody wants to see that.

So why aren't we cheering? Why are we upset? It's not because we hate America, or support its enemies. To think that a lot of people really, honestly believe that of their neighbors, their co-workers, their relatives . . . it's kinda sick and dismal.

No. It's because, using information obtained via torture techniques that we apparently borrowed from the KGB, our government arrested a guy who - on top of everything else (and some of bits of that info were true, although don't forget that most of the claims - dirty bomber! - were quietly dropped) also was an American citizen. Neevrtheless, we completely ignored his legal, Constitutional rights - such as, for a very long time, any access to counsel, and subjected him to years of intense and sophisticated psychological torture, which again seems to have been partly borrowed (or at the very least has a strong resemblance to) KGB practices. The arrest and conviction were a good thing - but everything else here is an obscenity.

Yeah? So? Well, to me this gets back to a really basic but incredibly vital idea. It's not who (ie, we or them) does a thing that determines whether it's a good or bad. It's what we do that determine whether we're good or bad. America isn't somehow ordained to be magically, unchangeably, and perfectly good. God didn't give us some sort of special dispensation. The Founding Fathers didn't turn us into angels as opposed to people. If we forget this . . .

"Captain Lefever says it is unfair to compare US antiterror interrogations with Soviet interrogation techniques. "Their abuse was a systematic practice to conceal the truth," he says. "If Padilla was abused, then it was for a righteous purpose -- to reveal the truth." [source]

Yeah. Right. Turns out when you get down to it (and whether you get there via religion or Rawls), good is good, bad is bad, (Yes, ironic that us moral relativist-y liberals - along with some stalwart old-school conservatives - are the ones standing up for this). You deny one person their rights, torture one person, even for a really good reason, and you involve everyone - first off because in a democracy everyone then becomes trapped in a web of support, and finally because we're human, and it never stops, at least without immense, and sometimes multigenerational, moral and political effort, at those few people who 'really deserve it'.

Do we hate America? Bullshit. At our best, liberals love our country in a way that some folks have a lot of trouble understanding, except with scorn, disgust and mockery. It's not the kind of awed, worshipful, and unjudgmental love a little kid has for their parents, where mommy and daddy can do no wrong. Nor is it the kind of terminal crush or obsessive puppy-love that is blind to any flaws in the beloved - that really isn't about them at all, but rather replaces them with a idealized icon to idolize. At our best, us liberals love our country with a grown-up and realistic love, one that sees its best things, it's wonderful possibilities, but also its faults - and makes no excuses for them. Some of us have been lucky enough to have this sort of thing in our life: a spouse, lover, or friend who has our back, but also won't take any shit, because they know we can be better than that.

Now granted, getting there sometimes seems to involve a certain more adolescent and very dramatic kind of love, with a enormous sense of betrayal or even rage that high standards aren't being lived up to , and sometimes folks get kinda stuck - but y'know, sometimes that sort of wholehearted passion is what's needed to do great things.

If sometimes liberals seem perhaps fixated on criticizing our country's failings, it's because we take America so seriously - it's because it's so goddamn important. What makes America a great good thing, as opposed to just some other random patch of populated ground on the globe? It's not that we're born or move here, that 'all of our stuff (ie, material goods, loved ones) is here'. It's not that we have a real big economy/military/etc, or because "We're #1!!". It's because of our ideals. America isn't just some place on a map. It's not just some specific flag. It's a dream, a promise, a check to be cashed, a work in progress. If we abandon these ideals, we lose. We start forgetting that it's only doing good that makes us good, and begin to believe that we simply are good, and thereforewhatever we do - however reluctantly - is good, is right. We start to forget that we can do wrong, and decide that any kind of criticism is America-hating, treason, unacceptable. Worse, and worse we lose our way. We forget America. We turn our back on America. We let America die.

(And again, it's a bizarre irony that us liberals - who conservatives have repeatedly and often not unfairly accused of having a very, even dangerously, rosy and utopian view of human nature - would be some of loudest voices pointing this out. Strange times.


Need to sleep. Maybe more tomorrow.

* I;m not a Christian, but it's pretty obvious: anybody can love your friends, that's easy; it's loving your enemies that's hard - and that's the point.



Posted by: Dan S. at August 17, 2007 02:59 AM (T1RCc)

78 "They are brave enough to show their love for America by supporting its enemies who would kill Americans."

Again, unintentionally, this touches on truth in the heart of the lie. We need to rephrase it a bit, granted, but it's not bad. Such folks as I'm talking about - and while right a lot of them are liberals & lefties, there are conservatives and others as well - are brave enough to show their love for America by supporting its values even in the case of its enemies who would kill Americans. Again, it's easy to show one's love for America by supporting its values in the case of its friends, its heroes, etc.. That's the territory of sunshine patriots. To keep faith when faced with the storm - that's a lot harder.

Posted by: Dan S. at August 17, 2007 07:25 AM (T1RCc)

79 Of course, Captain America said it all much better.

A href = "http://slacktivist.typepad.com/">slacktivist's last two or three pots on the subjects and mahablog too . . . (and all of these posts have some very good links . . .)

Posted by: Dan S. at August 17, 2007 07:33 AM (T1RCc)

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DanS:  "grown-up, realistic love"....

Grown-up realists understand that American values don't constitute a suicide pact. 

Grown-up realists look at a treasonous t*rd like Padilla and see the gaping crater at Ground Zero engulfing entire cities, if treasonous t*rds like Padilla were left to go about their business unmolested.

Grown-up realists recognize that violence and coercion are unpleasant things, but that when faced with a zombie-death-cult foe like al Quaeda nothing less awful will serve.

Grown-up realists recognize that under traditional rules of war jihadis are entitled to a blindfold and a cigarette, not luxury accomodations in Gitmo and  lawyer.

Grown-up realists recognize that none on the Left wept Che-tears when Bill Clinton's air force was strafing Kosovar refugee columns and demolishing purely civilian Serbian targets (bridges, refineries, hospitals, commuter trains), but that the Lef t can be counted on to recover their sense of national shame when a Republican is in office.

--furious

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Posted by: La Gringa at August 17, 2007 10:15 AM (RWYOF)

84

Dan, when you speak of the "realists who love America", does that include those whose response to the death of their fellow Americans at the hands of terrorists is "Fuck 'Em" ?

Or perhaps you were speaking of the "realists" that go before congress and accuse our soldiers of going into civilian houses "in the dead of night" and engaging innocent Iraqis in combat (with none of that pesky stuff called PROOF to back their claims of impropriety up with).

If that is what passes for loving America, if you misguided dengenerates truely believe that the vitrolious lies you spew on the daily towards our troops, and our government is actually some form of "realistic love", then it may be time to get into the gravedigging business, because I fear thats all we will be doing under that type of leadership: burying our dead.

Thank God there are enough of us who see your lies for what they are and fight to the death for the true spirit of this country.

-V

Posted by: veritas at August 17, 2007 11:59 AM (Tr2b6)

85 Liberal DanS and our own Lokki both make the same point. 

And it's a good one, morans.

We don't do shit to citizens, unless caught overseas on a battlefield, except as it accords with the Bill of Rights.  Now, as for interrogating the bastard, good and hard, we do that in the interest of national security, but we never, NEVER can use that to send or keep the fucker in prison.  So the result is this:  If you are tied to Al-Q and we catch you, expect to be "tortured" for intelligence purposes.  THen the civie authorities get a hold of you.  We can't do it the other way around, so that's the compromise we have to be willing to make. 

I am willing to make that compromise in terror cases---reluctantly. 

But I never want to give the government a power I wouldn't want my political opponents to abuse, though, so we have to keep a TIGHT fucking leash on that shit.

 

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