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| "This is not the end but the beginning of the total reexamination that needs to occur of the [world's temperature records]"It gets worse for global warming. How bad? This bad. Imagine you sought to establish global warming was occurring. An empirically minded scientist would imagine that actual, reliable global temperature records were the best evidence for whether this was occurring or not, and that the theory of global warming would be adjusted, modified, proven or proven false on the basis of those temperature records. That's what you would imagine would be the case. But what if in fact it were working the other way around? What if the theory of global warming was not being modified to better accord with actual, reliable temperature readings, but that actual, reliable temperature readings were being modified to better conform with the theory of global warming? That seems to be what's going on. The most unreliable temperature readings -- those located in areas of urbanization, with all the asphalt, air conditioning exhausts, and car exhaust one could ask for -- are, rather than being adjusted downward due to their obvious inaccuracy, being left alone. Because they, quite naturally, produce the highest temperature readings. Correction: A clear mistake. Some urban temperature stations do have their temperatures adjusted downwards, as long as there is a nearby rural station against which to compare it. But this is an uncommon situation. Despite this correction, the rest of the post stands -- they're adjusting "good" stations to come closer to "bad" stations, rather than either discounting the bad stations entirely or only adjusting the bad stations to match the good. Further, while they could easily determine the exact magnitude of the heat island effect, they have made no serious empirical efforts to do so. If pure happenstance has located a rural station nearby an urban one, they will adjust. But they have not bothered to establish control stations in order to check how far out of line the urban stations are with actual temperature. Back to the original post. Meanwhile, better, more reliable readings from better-maintained stations not artificially warmed by urban heat islands are being "adjusted." Adjusted which way? Um, take a wild guess. Allah's post doesn't have the key quote about which way they're being adjusted, but I think it's fair to say "up" would be the general direction.Global Warming "Deniers" such as myself have long known that the the Global Warming Cultists were not even bothering to adjust for the fact that many temperature stations of dubious reliability were being treated as if they were completely accurate. What is shocking and genuine news here is that the most reliable stations -- presumably those stations not yielding the high temperatures the theory of global warming requires -- are being "modified" to better accord with the theory. Theory first, empirical facts second. I'm sure an NPR science writer and Salon magazine will tell us this is precisely how to do good science -- after all, it takes into account the supernatural desires of Mother Gaia and is concerned with the needs of the people and other gay shit of this nature. The global warming cultists have long claimed that the inherent problems of the temperature records -- poorly maintained stations, maintained often by poorly trained technicians, often located now in the heat of an urban heat island whereas previously they had been in a suburban or rural area -- were "insiginficant," meaning they were not adjusting for this problem at all. (Presumably -- "insignificant" means zero or near-zero effect in science, and is less significant than "trivial" -- at least trivial acknowledges a small level of effect.) Note that while global warming cultists crank up their completely unverifiable, unfalsifiable computer models, they don't bother to do the basic sort of empirical testing they actually could easily do. To wit-- if it is claimed that urbanization has an "insignificant" (read: zero) effect on the collection of temperature records, why not actually bother testing that hypothesis? It's easy. It's cheap. It's science. Simple enough: establish say 300 temperature stations, each consisting of two stations, one located in rural areas, one located in more urbanized areas. Each station in each double-blind set would have to be as close as possible to the other, of course, so close as to make it unlikely that simple placement accounts for any differences found between the two. Now simply begin taking the measures from each station for about five years. If there's no "significant" difference between the readings, congratulations, Global Warming Cultists, you've actually proven, scientifically, a key assumption upon which your theory rests. If the stations do show a significant difference in measured temperature.... well, then: That's also science, isn't it? Perhaps not the science you wanted, but is nevertheless an important finding that must be incorporated into your precious theories and computer models. Why has this not been done? Was the "enormous consensus of leading world scientists" absent the day they taught science in Science School? What on earth are the doing assuming a claim that could easily be either proven or disproven by a simple, cheap, and altogether obvious real-world test? Of course, it's worse than all that. That's the state of things as we imagined they were. Now we find out they're actually just goosing up the numbers of the most reliable stations in order to bring them up to snuff with the artificially-increased readings of the most unreliable stations. Scandalous. Utterly scandalous. But it's this sort of "science" we're supposed to accept uncritically as we make multitrillion dollar decisions about our economy and very way of life. Good Quote From McIntyre: Worth reading so you don't miss the nuances I did:In its consideration of possible urbanization and/or microsite effects, IPCC has taken the position that urban effects are negligible, relying on a very few studies (Jones et al 1990, Peterson et al 2003, Parker 2005, 2006), each of which has been discussed at length at this site. In my opinion, none of these studies can be relied on for concluding that urbanization impacts have been avoided in the ROW sites contributing to the overall history. One more story to conclude. Non-compliant surface stations were reported in the formal academic literature by Pielke and Davey (2005) who described a number of non-compliant sites in eastern Colorado. In NOAA’s official response to this criticism, Vose et al (2005) said in effect -it doesn’t matter. It’s only eastern Colorado. You haven’t proved that there are problems anywhere else in the United States.In most businesses, the identification of glaring problems, even in a restricted region like eastern Colorado, would prompt an immediate evaluation to ensure that problems did not actually exist. However, that does not appear to have taken place and matters rested until Anthony Watts and the volunteers at surfacestations.org launched a concerted effort to evaluate stations in other parts of the country and determined that the problems were not only just as bad as eastern Colorado, but in some cases were much worse. Now in response to problems with both station quality and adjustment software, Schmidt and Hansen say in effect, as NOAA did before them -it doesn’t matter. It’s only the United States. You haven’t proved that there are problems anywhere else in the world. Comments1
Ace, this may shock you, but from someone in the Earth Sciences, take it from me. That thinking doesn't get you grant money or appointments.
Posted by: Techie at August 13, 2007 01:51 PM (T+8Gr) 2
Was the "enormous consensus of leading world scientists" absent the day they taught science in Science School?
Great reference. My question the timing moment is this: Since these findings about the inaccuracy of the models came out last week, and Karl Rove is resigning this week, wouldn't this completely validate the existence of his Global Weather Machine? /sarcasm Posted by: LloydChristmas at August 13, 2007 01:55 PM (SQdZo) 3
In other words, Crichton was right when this was one of the central tenants of State of Fear years ago.
>>The expansion of cities surrounding ground-based temperature reading stations known as the urban heat island effect is largely responsible for the rise in "global temperatures" indicated by ground-based temperature stations. Posted by: JackStraw at August 13, 2007 01:55 PM (t+mja) 4
Techie at August 13, 2007 01:51 PM
Very good point, and one we should always keep in mind. Global warming (and global cooling before that) has aways been about literally scaring up money. Posted by: ChrisM FKA A. Weasel at August 13, 2007 01:59 PM (bqcfE) Posted by: Dave in Texas at August 13, 2007 02:11 PM (pzen5) 6
It surely isn't the A/C units placed next to the temp sensors, i'll tell you that right now.
Posted by: Editor at August 13, 2007 02:14 PM (SJCkB) 7
urban effects are negligible
Ha, ha, ha. Anyone who's been in NYC in the summer intuitively knows this to be complete bullshit. It can be 100 degrees in Manhattan and 90 degrees in White Plains and Parsipany NJ. Posted by: Purple Avenger at August 13, 2007 02:17 PM (mImtA) 8
if only the vast right wing conspiracy/noise machine could get together to make a rejoinder, A Conveinent Lie or something. This is too rich.
State of Fear covered the urban heat center problem, but even old Crichton didn't reverse engineer NASA's numbers. Posted by: joeindc44 at August 13, 2007 02:20 PM (za2Xz) 9
>>Ha, ha, ha. Anyone who's been in NYC in the summer intuitively knows this to be complete bullshit. It can be 100 degrees in Manhattan and 90 degrees in White Plains and Parsipany NJ.
Funny, but true. When I was living in the city we used to bolt every summer weekend for the mountains or the beach because it was, wait for it, cooler. And I never even liked science all that much. Posted by: JackStraw at August 13, 2007 02:23 PM (t+mja) 10
LALALALALA Sorry, debate's over LALALALALALA Nope, can't hear you LALALALALALALA
Posted by: Algore at August 13, 2007 02:24 PM (LQBTK) Posted by: Karl at August 13, 2007 02:29 PM (8aWYW) 12
Wait, howzat saying go, the narrative is right, but the facts are wrong or something like that. How about, it's only the temperature data, that doesn't prove anything. Think that'll fool anyone? Posted by: daleyrocks at August 13, 2007 02:32 PM (0pZel) 13
It surely isn't the A/C units placed next to the temp sensors, i'll tell you that right now. Editor, wow, that's amazing. I know my husband grumbled that our local temp sensor is too close to the building, but I guess it could be worse. Maybe I'll snap a picture and send it to that blogger. Reminds me of the time when I was the only one in the IT dept still at work and all of a sudden everything in the computer room shut down. The UPS had cut power because the room had gotten too hot. The room was still cool, it was just that someone had just put in a PC with the fan blowing hot air riiiiight next to the temp sensor! That was fun. Posted by: MamaAJ at August 13, 2007 02:33 PM (X6Zdh) 14
I understand the scientist leading the process is a Rev. Dr. Louis Farrakhan, PhD, Esq.
Posted by: Lt. Col. E Buzz Miller at August 13, 2007 02:33 PM (mjyQW) 15
Yeah, but this doesn't mean Iraq isn't a quagmire! So there!!!!!!
Posted by: daleyrocks at August 13, 2007 02:33 PM (0pZel) 16
daleyrocks:
Yup. I think it'll fool editors who don't know the difference between "mean" and "median," and those who think Bradleys can cut dogs in half. Posted by: Lurking Observer at August 13, 2007 02:34 PM (/ZD7V) 17
Pollution is a serious challenge for us, and this will probably be true
for a long time to come. But making the right trade-offs requires
discerning truth from untruth. Idiots like Al Gore aren't helping
the environment, they're hurting it, just as the last generation of
environmentalists hurt the environment with their fanatical opposition
to nuclear power.
Still, I think the right has been stupid on the issue of pollution. We've pretty much let the left define themselves as the ones who care about the environment, which is a serious mistake, and has cost us votes. Posted by: sandy burger at August 13, 2007 02:35 PM (Cpse7) 18
As Wolfgang Pauli said, "This isn't right, its not even wrong." To be honorably wrong, you at least have to attempt to do it right.
I do finite element analysis (similar in methodology to the global climate models) at work and I'm pretty sure I have used more independent degrees of freedom to simulate simple well characterized force deflection response than some of the GCMs use to look at the overall climate and every type of interaction in it. The difference is that as an engineer, my commercial customers expect that my calcs will actually predict future performance, while it seems that many of the climatologist's politician clients have very different expectations indeed. Posted by: chuckR at August 13, 2007 02:36 PM (XLu7l) 19
Fake, but accurate.
Posted by: The Left RESPONDS to the theocrats here... at August 13, 2007 02:39 PM (AQj/2) 20
It's gratifying to see how fast this whole thing is falling apart. I figured it would be many years down the road. Posted by: lauraw at August 13, 2007 02:41 PM (z8NHD) 21
You guys realize that none of this matters and that the global warming hysteria will go on unabated for years and years? As we all know, none of the Global Warming hysteria has anything to do with science. Posted by: Big E at August 13, 2007 02:43 PM (uw1/g) 22
Ace, it is really hilarious, and sobering, that while these cultists cry that 'the Science is settled', even a non-scientist like you can poke dozens of holes in their theories armed with nothing but simple logic, Val-R-Rite vodka, and scandi pR0n. Posted by: Tushar D at August 13, 2007 02:47 PM (IlgNp) 23
Any type of heating/air conditioning equipment takes heat from the inside & moves it outside during the summer, & takes heat from the outside & moves it inside during the winter. Any large crowded city should expect a significant temperature anomaly (cooler winters/warmer summers) when compared to data as recently as 50 years ago when air conditioning started becoming wide spread. Posted by: CAD Daddy at August 13, 2007 02:51 PM (U6x6j) 24
You don't need to be a rocket scientist to figure this stuff out.
Every day I drive past 2 banks located on opposite corners...the temp display on one bank is usually 4-5 degrees hotter than the other one and the temp display in my car. I'm guessing the sensor at the hot bank is right out in the sun or something. Not being a highly paid (subsidized) GW researcher, I discount the high temp reading instead of assuming it must be the correct one despite other evidence. That does it...mark this date in your calendars...I have officially changed from Global Warming Skeptic to Proud Global Warming Denier ! Posted by: cdeegan at August 13, 2007 02:52 PM (fKeaH) 25
Still, I think the right has been stupid on the issue of pollution. We've pretty much let the left define themselves as the ones who care about the environment, which is a serious mistake, and has cost us votes. I don't know, someone has to stand in the way of the Left's retarded policy prescriptions for dealing with Global Warming. Anytime the right does that they are painted as not caring about the environment by the media. Major newspapers still print articles and op-ed's blaming Bush for rejecting Kyoto for christs sake. Essentially any time that environmental concerns are weighed against other concerns (usually economic) and the other concerns outweigh the environmental concerns the right gets blamed (even if basically everyone came to the same conclusion) and painted as not caring about the environment. Posted by: Big E at August 13, 2007 02:53 PM (uw1/g) 26
If you take away their Global Warming they'll just have to find something else to latch on to as Religion.
I'm hoping they'll all move to World of Warcraft, myself. I need some new lowbies to gank. FOR THE HORDE! Posted by: Electric ferret at August 13, 2007 03:03 PM (U5cqs) 27
it doesn’t matter. It’s only eastern Colorado. You haven’t proved that there are problems anywhere else in the United States Hmmmmm...that sounds quite similar to... it doesn't matter. It's only the location Beuchamp got wrong. You haven't proved that the rest of his story is wrong. I'm beginning to detect a theme here. The Left - we just make up shit and leave it up to you to prove us wrong. And when you do, we just make up more shit. Posted by: Warden at August 13, 2007 03:04 PM (QWUn5) 28
Ten years ago, I had a good lesson on how the environmentalists handle data.
That year, a friend of mine asked me to participate in an annual cleanup of the Chicago lakeshore, which was sponsored by an environmental group she was associated with. Fine, cleaning up the lakeshore is a good thing, so I went along to help. Each of us was assigned a patch of lakefront to clean. All of the bits of junk we found - cigarette butts, potatoe-chip bags, etc., went into a garbage bag. When we were finished, each bag was weighed, so see how much stuff was in it. Well and good. And in due course, the group published figures to show that the amount of pollution, as represented by the trash found on the lakeshore, had increased significantly that year. Only one problem with this: the night before the cleanup, it had rained. So all the trash was wet and had sand clinging to it. Which made it heavier. Which meant that all studies based on those weighings were pure, unadulterated bullbleep. I wrote to the group, pointing out this fact. Their reply? I'm still waiting for it. Remember: Facts must never, ever get in the way of the narrative. Which is why, ten years from now, 1998 will still be widely spoken of as the hottest year in the 20th century, regardless of what the numbers actually show. Posted by: Brown Line at August 13, 2007 03:17 PM (VrNoa) 29
Mark Steyn has a brilliant (yeah, I know--dog bites man) column on this topic, and another dear to we morons: Scott Thomas Beauchamp.
Titled An Inconvenient Truth in the NY Sun, he calls the alarmists "warm-mongers." Did I say it was brilliant? Cordially... Posted by: Rick at August 13, 2007 03:17 PM (Ohkx7) 30
Even if every damn temp sensor they use now is 100% accurate....just what in the hell are they comparing it to? They are f'ing guessing what temps were in centurys past, even just a few decades ago. Do you really think grandpa's barnyard thermometer was accurate? This whole thing (global warming) is complete and total horseshit.
Posted by: RobG at August 13, 2007 03:27 PM (6Oq7N) 31
urban effects are negligible
Hell, just walk from the parking lot across the street to the football/baseball/soccer field at a suburban high school. In a couple of hundred meters, you'll feel a marked change in temperature. A bit OT: I used to do a lot of commuter flights in & out of LA a couple of years ago (about twice a month) and the flight path went right over the LA Coliseum. On the summer flights, the plane would drop like a stone when we flew overhead. EVERY TIME. I always figured that it was the cooler column of air over the playing field. No idea whether it's true or not. Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 13, 2007 03:28 PM (tVbxd) 32
The cooler column of air thing that Illtemperedcur mentions above is absolutely. I remember vividly (it is seared, seared I tell you into my mind!) flying over LA on frequent business trips thinking, "My God, how do people survive living on all that concrete and asphault!. It looks different from the ground, but from the sky, the difference is striking!
One other point, my local town is a piddly little rural farm town of about 5000 people. Maybe a mile across either direction. The thermometers at the banks in town always read about 5 to 10 degrees higher in the summer time than mine at home. It feels noticibly cooler too. I live on a small farm with grass, trees, and flowing water nearby, like most of rural America. It wouldn't take a ground-based study to prove the urban heat island theory either. For crying out loud, satellite temperature maps could be produced (probably already are, they just don't say the right things) that would show increased temperatures at every point on a map where roads start to converge and cities appear. Hell, even I could write a statistical algorithm to test the significance of that data to about .001 confidence level. Posted by: Scot at August 13, 2007 03:39 PM (qlZ26) 33
Now boys, and girls too, we here at this site be mostly capitalists, moral ones too, and we have not been looking at this right. Those liberal yahoos believe that global warmening stuff, fervently, to the point where they may even be willing to spend money on it. Perhaps even their own money, which I admit is unusual for a leftoid, preferring as they do to force the taxpayer to spend on their fads and whims.
Now I'm from Canada so I take extra delight in quoting Canada Bill Jones, who, though an American, was a genius: "It is immoral to let a sucker keep his money." Do you see where I'm going here? We need a thread with some ideas on how to make a business of this, with lefties as customers. The carbon credits thing has already been debunked but there must still be plenty of schemes of which Canada Bill would approve. A church? Lasering excess heat energy into space? Perpetual weather motion? Some help here please. If you were a dumb-as-a-post lefty, what would you spend money on? Posted by: BlacquesJacquesShellacques at August 13, 2007 03:40 PM (L5JPv) 34
Big E.
Umm, yes, it does matter. As Ace points out, the hysterical left has called for measures that will total in the trillions of dollars to enact. Large economic shifts like that would cause our economy to break down catastrophically. This would mean record-setting unemployment and a depression in the States. Overseas the picture would be uglier. We're talking real bad things; like starvation and worldwide rioting. Fortunately we already have a good example of the precautionary principle being misapplied by 'scientists' who managed to get DDT removed from the open market. The results were a lot more dead poor people in the 3rd World. So, yeah, it does matter what campaigns of misinformation the cultists are working on. I am fairly optimistic that cooler heads will prevail eventually, be it 50 years from now. One day global climate change will be know as the greatest farce in history. People will click their tongues and wonder how we at the turn of the century were so obsessed with such fraudulent BS, but until then those self-righteous watermelons are dangerous. Posted by: adamthemad at August 13, 2007 03:42 PM (3jNT9) 35
Right you are, atm.
As an example, the "reasonable" position right now, even from some Republicans, is: well, we need to do something and I think raising gas prices a dollar or two a gallon is a good start. That little start would put a huge burden on all low income workers, all commuters, all truck transport, etc with the huge inflation that would inevitably follow. We are a nation that runs on cheap, available energy. If someone really wants to do something for the environment and the people, build a lot more nuclear power plants. That right there would do wonders for reduction of emissions and maybe make rechargable electric cars economically possible. But no, as always the leftard answer is we need less of our own money and less freedom Posted by: rinseandspit at August 13, 2007 03:53 PM (fsZu0) 36
Still, I think the right has been stupid on the issue of pollution. Damn right. Because we've allowed people who are soft in the head to label CO2 'pollution.' Posted by: lauraw at August 13, 2007 04:47 PM (RDI84) 37
Because we've allowed people who are soft in the head to label CO2 'pollution.'
Well, then this is where I part ways with the right. Posted by: sandy burger at August 13, 2007 04:57 PM (K2rlS) 38
...it doesn’t matter. It’s only the United States. You haven’t proved that there are problems anywhere else in the world. I still implicitly trust the Zimbabwean Weather Data Collection Service, but these two fellow hosers don't: Posted by: andycanuck at August 13, 2007 05:13 PM (YZqIa) 39
I think the first indication was the hockey stick graph, a clear and deliberate distortion of science and facts to promote a leftist cause. That was just the most obvious but the first clue of what we were dealing with. Sure, some of the science is good - but some of it is deliberate deception and manipulation, and were I in the field I'd be plenty mad.
But then, if they go far enough pushing this, it becomes a matter of pride, they have to follow it through or admit they were not just wrong, but stupidly deluded by activists. Will they have the courage and integrity? I wonder. CO2 is not pollution, not any more than water vapor, Sandy. The right has often been poor on the environment, but this isn't an example of it. Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 13, 2007 05:31 PM (wmgz8) 40
I guess it depends on how you define "pollution". Converting
large amounts of carbon from solid form to gaseous form isn't something
I'm a big fan of, though. (And for that matter, I'd be quite a
bit more worried if we were generating large amounts of water vapor.)
Posted by: sandy burger at August 13, 2007 05:40 PM (ePQxy) Posted by: Carbon Credits Vendor at August 13, 2007 05:48 PM (K2rlS) 42
It's HOT outside! All me and the kids can do is swim in the pool and lounge around all day, like it's summer vacation or something. HOT! I say. Like it's the middle of August in south louisiana , HOT!
Posted by: missg at August 13, 2007 06:05 PM (/htNA) 43
The carbon we are putting into the atmosphere as CO2 is being returned to the place from which it came. It is not a pollutant, it is a vital componant of our ecosystem. The carbon we are adding to the atmosphere will be incorporated into living things. The equilibrium conditions of this planet are immune to our puny efforts. AGW is a carnival huckster scam writ large on a global scale.
Posted by: eman at August 13, 2007 08:58 PM (F/DIG) 44
Ten years ago, I had a good lesson on how the environmentalists handle data.
Around that time a friend from undergraduate days who got his PhD in meteorology was one of the guys working at NASA on their climate modeling. (The place they were doing this was around the 4th floor, IIRC, of the NYC building used for exterior shots of that restaurant the Seinfeld characters were always in.) He explained the scam to me over a visit. First, there are no real climate modeling program or programs, as the term "climate model" would imply, because the variables are way too numerous. Data for individual weather components (ocean surface, wind currents at a particular altitude, etc) were run through separate batch programs (any given component factor may have several to choose from) and announcements were made about projections, but there was, and to my knowledge is, nothing that lets the component parts of weather simulation really interact. We don't have anything close to the hardware you would need for that. None of the batch programs for handling weather component data were really accurate either; they all had biases built into them and the boss would select which program to run for a batch of data with an eye to the answer he wanted to see. They were very keenly aware that warming and disaster added up to sweet, sweet revenue. Soured my friend a bit and he left as soon as he could. If you can't take your own product seriously, it's time to get out. Posted by: VRWC Agent at August 13, 2007 09:15 PM (gjy1/) 45
They're doing something even worse: forcing the satellite temperature record to match the surface temperature record.
The satellite temperatures are superior to the surface temperatures in every respect except they only go back to the late 1970s. But in the time since then, they are indisputably better. What's more, they measure the temperatures of the lower troposphere, which is where the greenhouse effect is supposed to occur. A warmer lower troposphere causes the surface to warm. So the satellites measure the greenhouse effect directly, without complicating surface factors like urban heat islands. The satellite temperatures flatly contradict the global warming models. You might say, so much the worse for global warming models. But that's you. The rule that applies here is "Whenever theory and reality disagree, it's always reality that's got it wrong." So tremendous effort has been put into finding "corrections" for the satellite data to make them warmer. No search has been made for corrections to the inferior surface measurements to make them cooler, of course. Despite these efforts, the satellite data still flatly contradicts the models over the tropics (half the globe's surface). The global warmers consider this close enough for science. Posted by: Bob Hawkins at August 13, 2007 09:25 PM (pnBkj) Posted by: km at August 14, 2007 12:30 AM (ZeIkZ) 47
Eman is dad nuts on. When Mt Pinitubo erruted in the Phillipines in 1990 it dumped massive amounts of CO2, water vapor and Carbon sulfide gas. The result was like putting on a global pair of sunglasses as the carbon sulfide worked to actually devrease the global temprature 1 degree C. Meanwhile the CO2 island around the eruption had an interesting effect. The plants in the area, with more CO2 available grew faster and in places where they had been unable to grow. These plant, through photosynthesis, created more oxygen. As a result the CO2 island disappated quick as the biofeedback mechanism of photosynthesis put the local gas mixture back into a proportional balance. I guess the greenies kind forget that vocanoes have out gassed more CO2 than we have ever seen over our existence in earth history, but yet vascular and non-vaslular plants still live. It's almost like plant evolved to be able to handle that. Wow, who knew? Posted by: Rob B. at August 14, 2007 01:11 AM (AofOs) 48
Sure I don't have the algorithms, formula, processes, etc. forthe
numbers, but I know they're true. Even if they aren't provided
and are in fact hidden and not available for review...
Why? Because the Tribal Shaman, local Witch/Medicine Man, Tribal Chief, Philosopher, Astrologer/Alchemist, Village Priest, Parish Priest, Scientist said so, and he's infallible. That's a good argument right? I'm appealing to the right authority here? Is there a different term for "person making a claim who refuses to reveal the factual basis of the claim, but instead claims authority to be right in spite of giving no proof" right now; or have they co-opted "scientist" for that? Sorry, linguistics isn't my strong suit, I lost track of what they called people like this after "con-man", so I'm not sure what to call these guys. Posted by: Gekkobear at August 14, 2007 01:17 AM (3O+FT) 49
"We are a nation that runs on cheap, available energy. If someone really
wants to do something for the environment and the people, build a lot
more nuclear power plants. That right there would do wonders for
reduction of emissions and maybe make rechargable electric cars
economically possible."
This is the best way to deal with liberals about Global Warming. Just agree there is a problem. State the solution is nuclear power. Watch them become silent. Posted by: Aaron at August 14, 2007 04:02 AM (ixJmT) 50
I love McIntyre. He nver minces his words and he's scary smart. Posted by: Steve L. at August 14, 2007 08:23 AM (hpZf2) 51
Much of the bloviations of the Left about "pollution" are the result of their belief in a false religion. All living things change their environment to enhance their odds of survival and decrease the odds of survival of rival life forms. Everything humanity has done on Earth is no different and is as natural as that done by everything else. In addition, simple toxicology is lost on the left wingnuts. Every chemical, and by God every material thing is a chemical or a mixture of chemicals, has a dose and a route of administration that is safe enough. Every chemical, and by God every material thing is a chemical or a mixture of chemicals, has a dose and a route of administration that is harmful. Every form of energy has a dose and an application that is safe enough. Every form of energy has a dose and an application that is harmful. The natural world, of which we are but one component, is what it is and living things adapt to it or die (and individuals in a population will die at some point no matter what). Biological organisms operate by survival of the fit enough. Posted by: Hank Rearden at August 14, 2007 10:52 AM (ES4Ca) 52
"settled science"
In fact, computer models don't (because they can't) build in the novelty that Mom Nature might introduce into her "weather patterns". In fact, some computer models might well be designed to produce an expected (or desired) result. In fact, some scientists refused to append their names to "The UN" IPCC version of events. (could anybody suspect that "The UN" could indulge in agenda driven "scientism" ? Heaven forbid) In fact, global warmism may be true and may be to some extent a product of manmade carbon emissions, but it is a huge and not exactly provable jump from there to "climate change". Posted by: tanstaafl at August 14, 2007 01:09 PM (M/8zd) 53
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