1 That's gotta hurt.

2

Ace, don't forget the "Right" has its own unhinged Kos like Kiddies who, much like they believe voting for RP will make a difference see any victory over the MSM is being key to victory in Iraq.

And hey, who hasn't whored themselves out for an Instalanch?

3 Oh, thank you Jesus! I was reading his crap after following the link AP posted.  Where do bloggers get off treating their readers like children? 

4

John Cole's post from yesterday was worse.

5 Ace, Malkin's got this posted too, but she offered Bryan at Hotair's "Why We Care" piece in rebuttal.  Bryan's is good, but yours is better.

6

7 WTF? Sorry about that.

Anyway, John Cole is Sully 2.0.

8 John Cole at least has the honesty to write a transparently self-serving attack, rather than posing as a Wise Man just offering needed words of sooth for us savages.

And John Cole wasn't looking to get linked, either.  he put that post up just for the record.

Rick Moran's gonna get an INSTALINK! for his wisdom!

9

I don't think Rick really gets why this is of major importance, not only to the blogosphere, but in terms of the MSM as well.

Every Scott Thomas Beauchamp needs to be outed, whenever and wherever they appear if only to keep people from being dishonest.  There needs to be some kind of accountabilty and risk associated with publishing a controversial story with little or no fact checking.  The author and the publisher should, in my opinion, be piled on with absolute ruthlessness so that the next STB will think twice about embellishing a story to sex it up for a niche audience back home.

Rick has written about the problems of the MSM in the past.  This episode with Beauchamp/TNR is a side effect of that sickness.  Left unchecked, we will get more and more STB's coming out and writing their fiction.

 

10 So, are we not supposed to expose when the media prints false stories, completely made up to make our troops look bad? Obviously it wasn't a battlefield victory.

11 Ace, don't forget the "Right" has its own unhinged Kos like Kiddies who, much like they believe voting for RP will make a difference see any victory over the MSM is being key to victory in Iraq.

Yes, but we're smart enough to seat our "unhinged" at the kiddie table in the backyard, rather than giving them a seat at the main table with the adults..

12 BTW Ace, Michelle has a link to Atlantic where you and Treacher were kicking ass and taking names in the comments.

13 LGF reporting Shock Troops is gone from TNR's site w/o a mention.

Apologies if this has been mentioned elsewhere.

14 Um, perhaps Mr Moran hasn't seen the latest polling that shows

Support for the war is on the rise (not "dwindling" as he says)
Support for the initial invasion is on the rise
Approval of the Democrats' Congress handling of the Iraq War (ie their efforts to retreat) are at a rock bottom 3%

Sorry Mr Moran, but your lack of bias is about as resounding as Kos' claim that he and his supporters are centrists.

Time to leave the Beltway and see that while Americans don't like the war (no one ever should), we understand its necessity now, and despite Mr Moran's and Mr Beauchamp's best efforts we can see its success as well.

15

I think I may have unloaded a bit on Moran - I don't think he gets the importance of pounding a little shit like Beauchamp for defaming his fellow soldiers:

You are a clueless, dickless wonder. Of course putting TNR in its place will not win the actual battle in Iraq – but it is a part of the battle of ideas here at home. After two or more years of farting around in the dark, the Administration finally has a plan and a general with some real chance of success (defined as creating an Iraq that is generally hostile to Al Queada and will not degenerate into genocide the minute we leave), but the left and the MSM (but I repeat myself) have themselves started a “surge” to kill the current momentum here at home. Apparently you are on-board with that, since you also seem to buy the meme that Abu Ghraib was the most important event in the war? Yes, it was quite a scoop for the media to report leaks from the investigation which the Army had laready commenced. It got better when the media decided to embrace the incompetent and disgraced former general who was the flag officer most immediately responsible for the prison because she was willing to parrot the standard anti-Bush line – and you’re cool with that too? Have you considered changing the name of this site?

16 Fox is covering the Beauchump story right now.

17 Fox news is reporting on this right now.

18 Jinx

19

Well, I for one, feel like a slapped-ass!  Thanks, Rick.

And thanks for reminding the world of bloggers and their readers of their over-inflated sense of self-importance, and that we shouldn't take ourselves quite so seriously.

The noive of dis guy.

20 Aw, missed it!  Must have been a short segment.

21 an you please specify these unhinged blogs which have somehow managed to confuse Jonathan Chait for Moqtada al-Sadr?

I asked John Cole to do the same.  Where are these blogs that are simultaneously ubiquitous enough to have grabbed the attention of John Cole and Rick Moran, but obscure enough to have escaped the notice of the rest of us? 

It's a mystery, I guess.  Must be a tear in the time/space fabric or 'sumthin.

22 OldDog, you know if anyone has a full copy of Shock Troops  or the other Diary pieces?  I'd be happy to keep a copy or part of it for reference. 

23

Oddly now we are hearing , for the first time for media sources, that media fact checking was a transparent lie concocted by the media folk to lend gravitas to their sales pitch.  We're also learning how things function inside the media cocoon, (nepotism, favortism, bias, dishonesty etc, etc.)  I suspect we will see more of it which is probabaly going to hasten the collapse of the old empire.  Whenever empires collapse people get nervous.  Some of them even work to protect the old and corrupt, not because it is good, but becuase it is comfortable.  It's going to be interesting to see how this all shakes out.

24 It's just a pointless commentary because this sort of thing is what blogs do. It's what we're good at. We don't need to keep the big picture in mind at all time to be a part of it.

25 Rick Moran... What can I say... I wrote him off a long time ago when his brother, Terry stated that the Duke Lacrosse Players were victimized less than the Rutgers B-Ball team.  That they were just rich white kids that were not entitled to justice like the rest of America.  Terry Moran didn't back down from those comments and Rick defended his brothers words.  I used to go to Rick's blog, but as this most recent comment on the TNR/Beauchamp foibles is sadly an attempt to make eating Thanksgiving turkey dinner with Terry and his family more palatable - see  Terry I am balanced ,  I attack  my fellow brethrens  on the right... I am a free thinker.  Yeah, right!

26 Rick remains just another linkwhore despite his protestations.  Only the particular price to get noticed is not predetermined.  In this instance it cost whatever was left of his intellectual reputation.  Bad thinking, writing, and manners.  Maybe his brother could use a producer.

27

I left a comment at Rick's (a guy I really like btw)

"Wow Rick, you really made Ace mad.

My only real point is that looking at the big picture out side of Blogworld, this doesn’t move anything. It’s an “inside blog” story that bores everyone else to death and might rate a story or two in the Times and WaPo but that’s it.

Sometimes, we take ourselves too seriously, don’t you think?

I agree with you to a point. While it is true that the only people who really care about this story is the blog world,TNR, and the military, isn’t the military and the TNR angle very important? I mean if this hadn’t been exposed, then Beauchamp’s stories would be liberal fodder for years to come. It might have gotten a pulitzer, for God’s sake.

Isn’t it important to not let the MSM distort and denigrate our military? Especially since we finally have the power to do so???

No, this won’t help us win the war in Iraq, it will, just maybe, keep the MSM from helping us lose it."

28 God help ya, Ace, you're being "ludicrus" again.  I love it!

BTW, Rick didn't win the war by snagging the interview with Aquina, he won it on O'Reilly factor last night.  Didn't you know that?

29 Decloaking Beauchamp will not bring us closer to “victory” in Iraq – if such a thing existed outside of the fevered imaginations of an ever dwindling number of conservatives.

But decloaking Beauchamp will slow our rush to our own defeat. Liberals have tried and tried and tried, but they have not been able to use our relatively minuscule casualties to convince the public that our losses are crippling. Now they've been caught moving the goalposts, trying to create a narrative that says that the war has a much higher casualty rate in terms of its emotional and moral toll on our military. That is the real impact and importance of the Beauchamp story - that it exposes the anti-war faction's latest tactics, and the media's unconscious (at best) acceptance and support of those tactics.

And you can see in Moran's comment above (and many comments here) how much they link this story directly to progress in the war. That's not a link we've made - for conservatives this story is all about the media and its framing of the war. For liberals, this is the war.

Moran: "You've won the battle, but not the war!"

Conservatives: "Huh? What did this have to do with the war?"

To the Libs, all of Beauchamp's fairy dust will be viewed as justified, since he was working toward the greater good of getting us out of the war. After all the immediate spluttering has died down, they'll start pushing back, "are you claiming that the war doesn't exact an emotional or moral toll?" When we say, naturally, "No," they'll scamper off, satisfied that they have won some sort of victory. By moving the goalposts yet again, they'll have muddied the issue enough to salvage some of their strategy.

30 "his brother, Terry"

Huh.  I did not know that.

31 media fact checking was a transparent lie concocted by the media folk to lend gravitas to their sales pitch.  We're also learning how things function inside the media cocoon, (nepotism, favortism, bias, dishonesty etc, etc.)

Yes, but who cares?  Who cares, I say?  Doesn't mean Abu Ghrab didn't happen did it?*


_{*I just wanted to see if being that stupid hurt.  It did, a little.  More so, though, I got kinda hazy and then felt an overwhelming compulsion to massage Al Gore's testicles in a loving and nuturing manner.}

32

Ricky went the way of the Politburo a long time ago.  But he's VERY SERIOUS so you better take him SERIOUSLY or else.

33 That "this doesn't win the war you wingnuts!" meme popped up almost at the same time in the comments of most of the blogs I read today. I guess if you're drowning, you'll latch on to any brick that happens along...........

34 Way to go Ace! Who doesn't love it when Ace gets snippy?

35

How is this not a victory against Al Qaeda?  Granted it is not a battlefield victory that fills up a cemetary with dead terrorists but as we all know, the real goal of Al Qaeda is waiting out the American public and turning every Koran that was not flushed down a toilet and every civilian that was not murdered or raped by a soldier into front page news here at home.  Who is partnering with Al Qaeda to do just that? 

Maybe the next time an editor thinks about making crap up with the sole desire to hurt the war effort, he will remember what is going to happen to Franklin Foer and decide his job is not worth the higher calling of hurting his country.

36 The contrarian strikes again - thank God we have Rick to remind us all how childish we are!  And I thought Osama Bin Laden would be turning himself in after the military investigation was over!  Impeach Bush!!!

If we can't win this war after unveiling liberal frauds (Jimmy Massey, Jesse Macbeth, Scott Beachamp), we ought to just give up - Abu Ghraib is who we are, who are we to challenge the template?

37 My interest in this story lies primarily in seeing this lying little shitbird and the people who granted his lies credibility by airing them under the banner of journalism get their richly deserved comeuppance

I fucking hate liars.  I love it when they are exposed.  I love it even more when those who elbow their way through life harming others with their ugly deceptions and smears are themselves harmed by the simple unearthing of the truth.  Poetic justice.  Karma. The way the world outta fucking work every time if it weren't so fucked up.

You'd think there wouldn't be a single blogger on the right who wouldn't raise clenched fist in satisfaction of the knowledge that, at least this once, a lying scumbag has been foiled from besmirching the character of men far more honorable than he.

You'd think.

38 Warden - it hurt me!

39 Nice headline linking this by Allah.

40

Thank you for saying what I have been feeling.  This is when I thought he lost it:

^{It’s bad enough when some B-List blogger and wacko talking head like Debbie Schussel runs off at the mouth about the danger of electing Muslims. That kind of idiocy can be partly ascribed to Ms. Schussel’s desire to move up the blogging ladder, bashing Muslims being a quick way to fame and fortune when plumbing the extreme depths of the conservative sphere for audience and links.}

Where does he get off?

41 Ace,
Captain's Quarters has a post up similar to Moran's, but with a better tone. His point is made as to perspective without denigrating anyone or lynching any strawmen. This is what maturity and sincerity look like. You might could use it for contrast with Moran's piece. I got it at HotAir.

42 Nice headline linking this by Allah.

Allah sees all.  Well, most.

Well, some.

43

According to the ABC News website

 

"Moran has written for many publications, including The New York Times, The Washington Post and The New Republic Magazine -- where he began his career in journalism."

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/story?id=127239

So maybe Ricky's comments are not exactly disinterested.

 

44 I think that's his brother, Terry.

45

Hey!  I said all that first, and much more succinctly!

Oooh, I said succinctly!

46 TNR could have had a better handle on this fiasco if Foer had not put up that follow-up piece claiming that they did some post-publishing fact-checking and it adds up. If they had not done so, they could have joined the chorus of people criticizing STB, and loudly, because they got hoodwinked the most. But now, they will have to hunker down and eat the $hit they spewed.

47 Where does he get off?

He and others have a hard on for Schussel. Unfortunately, she has been the subject of death threats from muslims for years.  I happen to agree with her. I don't like muslims and I don't give a shit what anyone else thinks about it. When they stop killing/trying to kill/preaching killing, I'll change my view.

48 Schlussel DID lose it.  Her notion of Abraham mind-controlling Fred:  lunacy.

But Moran is still a hypocrite.

49 Allah sees all.  Well, most. Well, some.

Allah has been trying to see through ladies clothes for years.

50

Dudes obviously trolling for liberal pussy, which tends to be lacking in self-esteem and a bit crazy.

Who can blame him?

51

Well, it's worth keeping in mind what Diem wrote in his memoirs: the U.S. military is well-nigh invincible, but the U.S. politicians are not: public opinion dictates their action, and that chink in our armor is where the most telling blows are landed.  The military needs time, and only public opinion will detefrmine whether they get it.

So yes, this is a victory that may affect the military outcome.

52

_{He and others have a hard on for Schussel}

dave, I agree with you on that. I am not always on the same page as Debbie, but she is a good writer and does her homework.  I thought she went over the top with Hannity, but I have never had my work plagerized, if the story is correct.  That being said, where does Rick get off being an elitest with a-lists etc.?  Does he really consider himself a-list?  I don't.

53

Naw - I think Llittle Ricky is just a tad pissed that he missed the Beauchamp boat from the get-go, so now feels the need to shit on everyone else that didn't.  Cap'n Ed basically said the same thing.  

It's about supporting the soldiers stupid. 

 

 

 

54 Moran and Cole (who was an ass before he went Sullivan, and is an insufferable douchepipe now) have decided that since they have bailed on the war, by God it's unwinnable and it's their jobs to point that out to the rest of us savages. To which I say "Get fucked".  Discrediting liars given a national venue for slandering soldiers and undermining morale is goddam important, regardless of what these self righteous, sanctimonious assclowns have to say about it.

55

Hey - Maybe Ricky can sign up for the Bloggers Union.  Maybe that will take care of bloggers that don't follow his lead or mindset.

 

 

56

I hate to drag this thread back on topic, but you people (Ace, RWS, and others) are wrong, wrong, wrong.

This is a battlefield victory.  Not only that, it's a victory on the the most important battlefield, the only one upon which the Islamists can prevail.  There's no way on God's Green Earth the splodydopers can beat our troops on the ground.  Not possible.  Sure, they can snipe a few here or there.  They can blow up new sewage lines after we leave.  They can kill the people who work with and for us.  But they cannot achieve a military victory.

The only way they can win is to beat us in the court of US public opinion.  Their whole strategy thus far has been to do that, and they've been wildly successfull.  They get help from self interested quislings in the press, and from the left that assumes the military is always lying but somehow Al Queda is always truthful.  And from an administration that believes the military side of the conflict is all important.

We've won all the military battles.  This is the kind of victory we need to win the war.  This is the kind of victory that helps the American people persevere and not succumb to war wearyness, to allow the military to finish the job.

57 I got banned from RightwingNutHouse by saying he was writing 'surrender monkey' blog posts.   Some people are thin skinned or worse.

58

I got banned from RightwingNutHouse by saying he was writing 'surrender monkey' blog posts. 

Heh. I'm over there being a dick, so I'm guessing it's only a matter of time for me.

 

59 Oh man.

Um, I'm sorry, can you cite the blog actually stating that this constitutes a victory against Al Qaeda?

That is just embarrassing.

I can lead you to one blog that seemed a bit, uh obsessed about the affair.

60

 That is just embarrassing.

 

I feel your pain,

61 aww man....but if they get rid of Franklin Foer....who will we have to kick around?

Hopefully they'll get another editor who keeps us entertained...

Or better yet, one who actually implements some procedures *gasp* for the editing/fact checking process

62 Well, Rick was on the O'Reilly Factor last night, so there must be something to being The Designated Voice of Reason™!
/eyeroll

I'm not sure why the hell he doesn't get it.  It's fucking blood libel.  Maybe he just sees soldiers as some faceless entity, like the little plastic green Army toys.  Or maybe he's not that into it because he hadn't posted on it and he's missing out on the Ace/TWS traffic, hoping for a big MSM link?  You know how the MSM luuuurves it when right-wing bloggers have cross words for other rw'ers (see also:  CNN's piece with Ace calling Bush a moron or whatever).  Whatever reason he has for his patronizing bullshit, he's laughably wrong.

Oh, and Schlussel is a stupid cunt (but you'd never catch Moran and the MSMey bloggers saying that).

63

I've clearly been out of the loop. I had no idea the little guy was so political. The last I saw of him...

Actually, now that I think of it, well, it's been a while since I've really seen him do anything.

Spaceballs was pretty good, and then, well, there was that thing where he shrunk the kids, but...after that...I can't remember a single damn thing he's done.

64

63)

Heh.  Rick Moran / Rick Moranis.

65 I don't really see what Moran said that was so awful. "Don't get cocky" is never bad advice. And isn't it possible that he actually means what he says?

Guess I suck too now. Goodbye Forever.

66 Remind me never to get on your bad side, ace.

67 You know, you're probably busy, so just forget what I said about reminding me never to get on your bad side - I'll just jot it down on a Post-It Note or something.

68 Anybody got a spare Post-It Note?

69 Never mind, I found one.

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