Burr's Office Lies To Constituent: "It [Cloture] Isn't Even A Real Vote Yet"
This story via a blogger who I won't name until he says it's all right to do so. Okay, he said it's all right -- it's Phin of Agent Bedhead, who also is the guy currently fixing this awful site. (He's really good!)Another update: Ask for "Allie"! She's the Burr shill whose either so misinformed or mendacious as to be claiming to people that the cloture vote isn't "real." Only the vote on the bill itself -- virtually guaranteed passage! -- is the "real" vote, where Burr will probably cast a knowingly-meaningless symbolic vote against. Douchebag-- we care not about symbolic votes. We care about the votes that matter. The cloture vote is the real vote.
By the way, if you want something that is sadly amusing. The two different people who've answered the phone at Senator Burr's office couldn't tell me his stance on Comprehensive Piece of Crap. So I'm going to send an e-mail where I've changed my voter status from Republican to Democrat and explain that I'll be submitted if he votes yes. I kind of felt sorry for the girl on the phone, she's obviously been abused today until she actually said "I don't understand why people are so upset about it. Its not even a "real vote" yet."This is what we're fighting against -- their belief that we're fucking retarded. People like Burr believe -- wrongly -- they can get away with defying their constituents and paying off their corporate lobbyist contributors through this Yes to Cloture No on the Bill split-vote. They really, really think we're so uninformed that this should "count" as real opposition to the bill. They have to be told that it does not work anymore. This is not fucking 1965, assholes.
1 You'd think somebody would remember, "I voted for it before I voted against it."
To quote that eminent philosopher, B. Bunny, "What a bunch of maroons."
Posted by: Veeshir at June 25, 2007 03:18 PM (zXUuJ)
2 Damn right!
These people don't care though, I'd wager everything on the fact that if they get voted out of office, they'll get cushy jobs with lobbyist firms for selling their souls.
I firmly believe that's whats going on here. Lets hope that I'm wrong and they'll show some semblence of integrity.
But yeah, they think we're pretty fucking stupid. Obviously.
Posted by: Sinistar at June 25, 2007 03:19 PM (HgpT8)
3 Unrelated: heart-ache for crazy pants "judge".
Posted by: someone at June 25, 2007 03:22 PM (TXnhk)
4 Burr? I crap bigger than he does
Posted by: alexander hamilton at June 25, 2007 03:29 PM (zmdkZ)
5 If I'm understanding this correctly, Burr's office is technically correct. My understanding is that there are two cloture votes -- one to bring the piece of shit to the floor and a second to ensure that the piece of shit is actually voted on. Burr appears to be on the record as supporting the former and non-committal about the latter.
Posted by: pbrown at June 25, 2007 03:34 PM (NP8hw)
6 Doesn't matter, he needs to oppose them all No on Cloture, period.
Posted by: Sinistar at June 25, 2007 03:35 PM (HgpT8)
7 "I don't understand why people are so upset about it."
Yeah, you racist fascist godbag sheeple. Go back to drooling in front of the TV and stop showing an interest in how your country is run (into the ground).
Posted by: Heather at June 25, 2007 03:40 PM (yG+tb)
8 My big problem with their non-answer (I'm the illiterate boob who tipped ace off) is that I didn't get one. She wouldn't tell me if he was for or against it, when I know his status and she works in his office.
His technically correct answer would be like him explaining the way he's screwing all his constituents isn't going to give them AIDS, its just a virus named HIV that he's passing along. The end result is the same, we're screwed.
The young lady on the phone got pissy when I pressed her asking why he would even consider legalizing the status for millions of criminals and pushing them into our already burdened health care and education systems. That is when I received the "it isn't even a real vote" reply.
Damn him. If he votes for this piece of crap in any way, shape, form or fashion and it goes through I'll be voting straight democrat. At least they're polite enough to leave the sand out of the KY when they ass rape me, hell if I ask nicely they might even give me a reach around.
Posted by: phineas g. at June 25, 2007 03:47 PM (CQcil)
9 I sense a deep frustration that the peasants are no longer ignorant enough.
Posted by: V the K at June 25, 2007 03:52 PM (PLvLS)
10 Either Burr's people have taken his office phone off the hook, or he is swamped with callers this afternoon. I've been trying for more than two hours to get past a busy signal.
KEEP THE PRESSURE ON!
Posted by: Phil at June 25, 2007 03:52 PM (nnGmq)
11 The snaggle people... They're multiplying!
Phil: try the amnesty hotline. Seriously. See bottom of this post, and this comment.
Posted by: someone at June 25, 2007 03:58 PM (TXnhk)
12 Amnesty delenda est.
Posted by: someone at June 25, 2007 03:58 PM (TXnhk)
13 But yeah, they think we're pretty fucking stupid. Obviously.
Posted by: Sinistar at June 25, 2007 03:19 PM (HgpT
Actually they know that you aren't stupid. What they used to count on but which you aren't anymore is ignorant; ignorant of their backroom dealsor ignorant of their duplicitous procedural maneuverings.That's why the internet and talk radio are problems for them that need to be dealt with.
As far as stupid people go whoever the MSM decides to side with on any issue are always going to have the stupid/uniformed vote. I thinkit's instructive that so many Republican politicians on the amnesty side of the ledger have decided to take the free pass the media is giving them on the amnesty issue (usually reserved forDem's and the Maverick John McCain) to run out andlie with impugnity about the bill and attack theiropponents withtaunts of racism.It's just more proofof what I'veknown for years:In this day and age only the most unprincipled, powermad assholes can riseabove dog catcher in electoral politics.Some exceptions of course but few and far between (I'm winking at you right now Senator Sessions).
Posted by: Big E at June 25, 2007 03:59 PM (uw1/g)
14 It appears that losing the first cloture vote doesn't cause any problems itself, other than the angst of not having killed the thing dead. Still, I want this thing dead.
Regardless, Burr is on my list. He won the seat by 4% in a reddish state against perennial Senatorial candidate Erskine Bowles -- a guy who actually makes John Edwards look manly. I advised his staff that if he wanted to know the effect of an unenthusiastic base, he should consult his former colleague Charles Taylor. (That's the guy who was defeated by Blue Dog Dem and former sucky NFL quarterback Heath Shuler last year.)
Posted by: pbrown at June 25, 2007 04:00 PM (NP8hw)
15 hell if I ask nicely they might even give me a reach around.
Posted by: phineas g. at June 25, 2007 03:47 PM (CQcil)
Don't bet on it. If you're lucky they might have one of their new indentured servents, oops I'm sorry, I mean Z-Visa Holders give you ahappy ending.
Posted by: Big E at June 25, 2007 04:03 PM (uw1/g)
16 Burr? didn't Hamilton cap his ass? (or was it the other way around?)
Posted by: billhedrick at June 25, 2007 04:04 PM (OWcCI)
17 "Phil: try the amnesty hotline. Seriously. See bottom of this post, and this comment."
Thanks for the heads up... while your technique did work (Burr is #2), I only reached as far as a voicemailbox that is "full." I'll just keep hammering the re-dial...
Senator Burr's office is at (202) 224-3154 for anyone who wants to join in the fun.
Posted by: Phil at June 25, 2007 04:08 PM (nnGmq)
18 I spoke with the same staffer today--exact samestatement, verbatim. She was quick with all the talking points but had no idea how to back up her arguments. It was pathetic.
Posted by: Traci at June 25, 2007 05:01 PM (xi7WI)
19 Burr's office people, locally, are either mistaken or misguided. A transparent scam by voting to end debate then voting against the bill is, well, lipstick on a pig.
No reason for keeping the pig alive. Pigs don't give happy endings, and they can't give you a 'reach-around'.
Vote to kill the damned thing. Show us you have a set. Or show us you're a pussy.
Posted by: Dan Patterson at June 25, 2007 05:06 PM (NyVIk)
20 I called Burr's office in Winston-Salem this morning and told the woman who answered that while my wife and I had been big supporters of the Senator in the past they if he voted "Yes" on cloture not only would we never support him again. that we would support whoever opposed him in the primary in 2010 and would work hard to get others to support his primary opponent as well.
She told me that she pass along my thoughts to the Senator.
Posted by: Mike at June 25, 2007 05:23 PM (m5LYl)
21 You think you have it bad?
I got one of the lead Grand Bargainer dipshits for my Sen-ass-tore, Mel "Treasonous" Martinez. Do you think my upteen phone calls and e-mails to both him and the RNC have had an effect? Hell, that jerk didn't even vote for Cornyn's amendment to enforce our laws!
Not only can't I believe I voted for that jack-wipe, but I even donated to his campaign!!! Before I shoot myself, I have to witness his re-election from all of the amnestied illegals that he'll setup.
Honestly, if our representatives won't represent their constituents, they should be tried for treason, not to mention its taxation without representation.
Posted by: Geministorm at June 25, 2007 06:50 PM (RTISG)
22 To Geministorm Re: Mel Martinez, I too voted for him. First of all we should have had a clue by the name "Martinez" His staff just tells me, Thanks for calling.
On the other hand I've talked to Vern Buchanan's office and they assure me that there is NO WAY that this bill will be passed by House once it leaves the Senate. I recieved a letter from Buchanan's office today saying, "I oppose this agreement, I believe the President and the Senate is WRONG on this issue." It rejects the rule of law. Leaders in the house should immediately reject the Senate agreement and heed the American people's call for securing our borders.
Posted by: PhilandSue at June 25, 2007 07:24 PM (ScVon)
23 Burr is a good conservative. He is still new to the Senate and may be trying to form partnerships through his vote on a bill that will not pass the house. Burr is a guy you want on your team no matter how this vote turns out.
I'm a staunch 'defend the border first' North Carolinian, and I would vote the other way. But Richard Burr is good for North Carolina, the Senate, America, and the Republican Party.
Posted by: thackeragency at June 25, 2007 07:30 PM (7kM9g)
24 "Burr is a good conservative. He is still new to the Senate and may
be trying to form partnerships through his vote on a bill that will not
pass the house. Burr is a guy you want on your team no matter how this
vote turns out.
I'm a staunch 'defend the border first' North Carolinian, and I
would vote the other way. But Richard Burr is good for North Carolina,
the Senate, America, and the Republican Party."What are you... his cousin or something?
It doesn't matter that the House will (hopefully) shut it down. What matters is sending a message about the rule of law. What matters is our elected representatives representing the U.S. -- US. What matters is not letting these jackasses get away with this hoping that we'll just forget and move on.
If Richard Burr votes YES for cloture, he is NOT good for North Carolina. He is NOT good for the Senate and he is NOT good for America. As for the republican party... whatever's left of that after this mess... who cares. They can have him.
Posted by: Phil at June 25, 2007 07:44 PM (nnGmq)
25 Phil, you took the words right out of my mouth. Heath Schuler now has the opening he needs to take that seat in 2010 thanks to the hapless fool. He barely won last time and just shot away the base. For 25 years I have worked for and given to the GOP. I never imagined a day I wouldn't be a Republican. Well, that day may well come tomorrow. I'm already appreciating the money I'm keeping in my pocket instead of in theirs. I live a mile north of the SC border in Charlotte. Next year, I will devote myself to killing of Ms. Grahmnesty...two years later it will be Burr. Not a threat...a promise.
These are the fruits of the Senate GOP's labor....enjoy the vinegar idiots
Posted by: JCinNJ at June 25, 2007 09:27 PM (01Juj)
26 All the posts are great. It is time for a house cleaning in 2008. I am so glad my two Senators, Cornyn and Hutchinson, are doing the right thing.
I have never been more disappointed in a party that I worked so hard for in 2004 to make sure that freak Kerry didn't get in.
We need to rise up at the polls and TAKE AMERICA BACK!!!!!!
Posted by: Donald at June 25, 2007 09:57 PM (ljcNo)
27 Interestingly, the voicemail at Senator Burr's DC office is full. However, I was able to leave a message at his Winston-Salem office. While Burr may have been conservative, a cloture vote would negate all he has done in my mind. While he is not up for re-election, it will hurt Senator Dole when she comes up for re-election before him. In all my correspondence, I made sure to note that yes on cloture and no on the bill is not a solution that provides political cover in my mind.
Posted by: The Opinionator at June 26, 2007 12:04 AM (SGQUx)
28 The amount of anger that is generated over this is unbelievable. I just want to reach through the phone and grab the person on the other side. I agree its not 1965 and we only get the info the MSM sends us. We understand the game now. The RNC just does not get it. Remember it’s the economy stupid? Its IMMIGRATION YOU MORON!
If you politicians think that this little trick will get you by IT WILL NOT. We will remember and so will our dollars.
I CANT BELIEVE THAT I GAVE $ AND TIME AND EFFORT TO THE RNC THE LAST THREE ELECTION CYCLES. We will be RINO hunting in the primaries. And while I will never vote for a Democrat I will stay home and so will my hard earned dollar.
Signed.. one of the loud people.. Just like Patrick Henry!
Posted by: USA4freedom at June 26, 2007 01:48 AM (h4Fkb)
29 Fricken ridiculous. Same crap going on at the Webb camp here in VA. I couldn't even get through. I know he's a Dem, but damn it if I don't try I know those pesky little liberal know nothings in this state won't. Stop letting law breakers go. It is time "We the People.." start getting what we want from those we elect.(Granted I didn't vote for Webb, but he got in anyway)
Posted by: Justin at June 26, 2007 06:51 AM (y67bA)
30 I just sent this fax to all of Jim Webb's locations.
Dear Mr. Webb:
I am a long-time resident of this great Commonwealth of Virginia, and I am writing to express my concern about recent discussions regarding immigration. I understand that the decision is being considered to enable lawbreakers to go free and become citizens. The same discussions lack sufficient backing for securing our border from future breaches. Unlike a lot of Americans, I understand how the vote today will work. I will not fall for I voted “yes” for discussion (cloture) but “no” on the Amnesty Bill.
Today marks an important day in history. Senators are elected to voice the will of the people. On this issue that voice is pretty loud and it opposes amnesty and wants security. Mr. Webb I am voicing my opinion; Vote “no” on cloture and vote “no” on Amnesty. I along with other Virginians am counting on you to let our voice be heard. This topic crosses party lines. Mr. Warner has already voiced his backing of the people. Let us hope that you do the same.
In closing, I can guarantee that this will not go forgotten at election time. Thousands of Virginians are counting on you to make the right choice and that choice is no on both accounts. If you make the wrong choice they(I did not vote for you) will not make the mistake of re-electing you when the time comes.
Posted by: Justin at June 26, 2007 08:14 AM (y67bA)
31 This is a perfect example of how chicken shit these politicians are. They make a parliamentary move that looks like they are voting “no” on immigration. We will not fall for it. This is a new age and “we the people” will pitch “you the worthless out”. Some how you think that we will cool down before the elections. WE WILL NOT. WE WILL GIVE MONEY AND EFFORT FOR YOUR DEFEAT. The sad part is it will be too late but you will still loose your job.
Posted by: USA4freedom at June 26, 2007 08:39 AM (h4Fkb)
32 To PhilandSue;
I sent messages to both my congressman (Dave Weldon) and MM. Wheldon's office got me a reply within about 2 days stating that he was glad to see so many of his constituents understood the ramifications of this bill and the game playing with the Cloture- Yea, Bill- Nay vote swapping that the RINOs (Republican In Name Only) are participating in. He let me know that he was a member of the Immigration Reform Caucus and had worked to kill last year's Senate amnesty bill and was trying to do the same with this one. He also went into great detail (his e-mail was many pages long, or I would post it here) about why he opposes this bill...this guy really gets it! Here is a short view;
"The bottom line is that this bill rewards those who break our laws
by granting them amnesty while penalizing those who abide by our
immigration laws. If this were to become law, the disastrous
repercussions would be felt by our children and grandchildren for
decades to come. This bill is so bad; it is hard to know where to start...
The proposal grants Amnesty First - ...
Twenty-four Hour Background Check Loophole - ...
Revokes Over 600,000 Deportation Orders - ...
Gang Members Eligible For Amnesty - ...
Law Enforcement Handcuffed - ...
Cut Rate College Tuition for Illegal Immigrants - ...
Chain Migration Accelerated By 330,000 Green Cards Per Year - ...
Increases Temporary Worker Visas To 600,000 Per Year - ...
Provides Taxpayer Funded Attorneys for Illegal Immigrants - ...
Border Security Last Priority - While supporters of the bill say it
makes border security a priority, the language of the bill does not
This Bill Offers A Larger Amnesty Than Last Year's Bill - ...
Tax Breaks for Illegal Immigrants - ...
Learning English Not a Priority - ...
No Entry/Exit System for Guest Workers - ...
The Cost of Amnesty - ..."
and so on...
The money I had earmarked for the RNC this year? Its going to Dave Weldon (and Fred Thompson) instead.
Posted by: Geministorm at June 26, 2007 10:33 AM (G3kJx)
33 Time to find a blue-dog democrate for 2011. Any ideas?
Posted by: Ellis B at June 26, 2007 01:05 PM (xi7WI)
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