1

The lefties think it's real because there's an eagle on it. Any eagle will do! This is because they're so unquestioning about patriotism, they simply see an eagle and know it's authentic.

That's what they mean when they're all the time saying "don't question our patriotism" eh?

2 For his service in DIA, he was awarded the �Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.� This is the equivalent of a British knighthood. He is an analyst consultant for many television and radio broadcaststs.

Where does that come from?  According to the Office of Personell Management it is an award program that gives a lump sum payment of 35% of base pay for that year, not some never ending honor.

3

apparently he didn't bother clicking to mine):

Well, the comments section is kinda filled up with MRE fart jokes, but you are right, thats no excuse

4 Looks like the eagle is trying to hump the flag.

5 This is the equivalent of a British knighthood.

But Chad, look what they get:

All recipients receive a framed certificate signed by the President.

Not just a certificate, but a framed certificate. And it's signed by the President! And there's a black tie banquet!

Of course if his certificate is signed by Bush, I am sure he's already thrown it over the White House fence ala John Kerry.

Do we have to call him Sir Pat?

6

ahem, It's memorial day weekend.  You should have gone with the "looks like the eagle is wearing a breathe right strip"

the flag humping jokes can hold till tuesday.

7

You know what ahem,

Nevermind, I was just trying to set up my own joke by bigfooting you, and I totaly dicked it up.

Sorry bout that.

8

"PS: People are making fun of the Post in the article's comment section."

Sorry, but I see only one person there "making fun" of it at this point.  The rest seem to be making fun of our people in Iraq for complaining about the food.  And why not - the memo makes Americans look shallow, inept, and cowardly - which is the whole subtext of most MSM coverage.  The memo has succeeded, fake or not doesn't matter.  The media is just doing its self-appointed job, protecting our sacred right to know what they think is best for us to know.

9 Why doesn't Mr. Lang suggest the place they meet?  I'm sure he knows all the best glory holes in the area.

10 All recipients receive a framed certificate signed by the President.

That's nothing. I've got a whole shelf full of these little eagle statues that they give us  every year for contributing to the federal employees' charity drive. The CFC Eagle Award is the equivalent of a British peerage. You may address me as Lord Felchworth.

11 Col. Lang, with due respects, I'd be more inclined to tell my anonymous blogger friend Ace here not to call you a liberal if you weren't working so hard to hide behind a skirt.

If  we were dealing with real military issues, I'd suggest we might eventually need to defer to you.  But we're dissecting apparent forgeries of  pure bureaucratic bullshit.  You're treading on our turf, sir.  And forgeries or not, we don't take kindly to the stink.

12 Did I mention that IMHO, most media types are lowlife toadsucking assholes?  Or was that asshole-sucking toadies?  Or just toadies to assholes? Gosh, I feel like we have a sacred right to know which it is!  Please WAPO, enlighten us!  You know how we have to have things framed for us, of course.

13 The diction and facts of the memo struck me as similar to those people have sent me from Iraq.

Pathetic.  This is the same reasoning Mary Mapes used to justify her use of those obviously fraudulent Ra^thergate documents: "But... but... those memos went along with everything we knew about Bush's military service."

Yeah.

14 I'll meet this fucker. Where does he live?

15 That sounds like Larry sockpuppeting for Pat.
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16 The other thing that makes meeting Sir Patrick on the field of honour a less scary prospect than you might think is that he looks like Bob Newhart. Perhaps the resemblance isn't as marked when he's on his charger with the visor down.

17 Tell me where we will meet.



Oooh, tell him to meet you at the 7-11.  7-11 brawls are badass!

18 Attention all suckers: military memos cannot, by regulation, use color unless the color is used to enhance understanding i.e. webaddys and emails. Also, only approved seals and emblems can be used. The DoD seal is located to the upper left and approved emblems on the upper right. Check the reg.  The paragraphs aren't even numbered. There is a template for all you forgers out there.

Next, this is not something that would come across as a freaking memo. This is like GEN Casey calling me up on the phone and saying "hey, its MREs for lunch tomorrow, hooah?" The Army has two ways of getting info out fast ALARACT and MILPER messages; both damn near impossible to read. Link 1
Link 2

This piece of crap memo doesn't look or read like a military message. This is a customer service memo explaining why your internet was out for three days. "We are so sorry. We are trying. We hope you aren't inconvienced." Bullcrap, MRE for lunch? SO what is new? You don't think guys out on twelve hour patrol pull into the fucking Sonic for lunch do you? No, they get an MRE and have since day one. And we have all gone through at least one extended 3 MRE a day stint. Big deal.

When I was Abu Ghraib, the only time we ran out of eggs was during Ramadan when the road went black for a week. That is ZERO convoys coming into Abu. We never even had to tap the mountain of MREs. Another thing, MREs are a Supply item. DFACs are run by civilians. DFACs would not hand out MREs, Supply Sergeants would.

And "US Mission Iraq". Give me a break. If everything else I said is bunk believe this; this memo would read MNFI or Multi-National Forces Iraq. http://www.mnf-iraq.com/index.php?ref=mnfi.com

There is no such thing as a US mission in Iraq, its MULTI-NATIONAL. We all get our food from the same convoys!

And lastly, you don't "ask" soldiers for their "understanding." If you ask and they refuse (and some always will!) then you are screwed. What you do is hold out an MRE and say "here is lunch." Their understanding of that will be perfect.

19

I have it on good authority from my military friend Captain Crunch that the Crunchberries are planning suicide attacks on our troops because Bush insulted Muhammid Ali.

Google it!

20 Bad week for the WaPo.

They fall for this clear forgery.

And earlier they totally missed the Dustin Diamond death plunge story.

Old media is so over man!

21

This is fun.

Back on Juan Cole a second, he says this about the odd .pdf: <blockquote>...which may well have been put up with different formatting precisely in order to disguise the identity of the author.</blockquote>

Sure, which is why he left the author information as "khanp" in the .pdf document properties.

22

This is the same reasoning Mary Mapes used

Likewise, of course, with "can you prove it was not true?"

 

23 Dangit, we need some blockquote technology on New Comments Thingy.

24 There can be only one Queen of the Space Unicorns.

25 Ace, you fucker. If you get a Larry Johnson death threat before i do, I'm going to be pissed.

26 That Eagle is Larry striking his colors on the No Mas deck.
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27 <I><B>Tell me where we will meet. Be prepared to remain there. Tell me where you live you yellow bastard.</B></I>

Bart called first dibs but this red bastard needs the money "G".

So Col. Larry "Kurtz" Prang is cordially invited to land at LaGuardia on the day and time of his choosing. He does have to walk a couple of really long blocks to meet me on Astoria Blvd., where I will leave him toothless and rolled like fido's newspaper. Better have the return ticket in your shoe, you'll be needing it, Kurtz.

28 The 'funky seals' noted on the forgeries by the CIA in October, 2002, have boarded and are ravaging his quarterdeck.
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29 Captain Kidd Bond has a horde rooting through the manifest.
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30 V. will get immunity, just you watch and see.
J. will go to save de Jay, want to bet with me?
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31

How much more evidence do people who denigrate Bush and his effort in the WOT need, after seeing yet another episode of the MSM doing their best to sabotage victory?

Yeah, but....what??

Take your Monday morning QB'ing, and stuff it.

We are being attacked from within, each day courtesy of the traitorous MSM.

32

Wutsa amudda tadoo?

I am sooo deeply unimpressed by all of you.

 

I am issuing a rare pre-emptive BITE ME  with a KISS MY ASS kicker.

 

Try to overcome THAT BITCHES. HA!

33 "Colonel W. Patrick Lang is a retired senior officer of U.S. Military Intelligence and U.S. Army Special Forces (The Green Berets)."

This tells me that the good colonel did not actually earn the hat he uses to describe himself. To real Special Forces operators, a green beret is a hat. They would not describe themselves in such a way. He was probably an intel officer assigned to a SF group.

34 Wow. You sound just like Dr. Clarissa Pinkola Estes.

35

And "US Mission Iraq". Give me a break.

 

Ha!

 

36

 Larry Johnson and Colonel Patrick Lang must be agent provocateurs still in the service of the intelligence community. Both must be tasked with undermining the credibility of the anti-war movement by floating bogus memos, making idiotic statements, and appearing totally unhinged. 

 The alternative (that the men on the front lines of the "War on Terror" are too stupid and consumed with BDS to recognize an obvious fraud) is too horrifying to contemplate. I wouldn't trust these two to mop the floors at a peep show, yet apparently they're in a position to provide information that shapes American policy.

  

 

37 Did this dipshit really tell someone to meet him? I'd take him up on that if someone else will hold the camera. I've been training for this my whole life.

And by training I mean living the Ace O' Spades Lifestyle. Any by whole life I mean the last couple of hours.

Seriously, who would be afraid to meet this guy?

38 Guys, the memo isn't fake.  I am assigned to MNF-I headquarters with duty at the Embassy in Baghdad.  I received an email with the memo attached on the 21st of May.  The convoys from Kuwait had been delayed by bad weather, but things are back to nromal now. Tony 

39 Guys, the memo isn't fake.  I am assigned to MNF-I headquarters with duty at the Embassy in Baghdad.  I received an email with the memo attached on the 21st of May.  The convoys from Kuwait had been delayed by bad weather, but things are back to normal now. Tony 

40

New internet award on the level of Fisking or being Frisched --  The Flappy.

Anthony?  Was your memo complete with the pretty Hummel figurine?

There may actually have been a memo of some kind.  But, not in the form or context as  was reported.

And, I'm not slamming you at all.  My best to you and thanks for your service.

41 If Bush had thought a memo this fake-looking was real, would we ever hear the end of it?

42

If AnthonyB is for real, that settles it.  Maybe there is a chow hall food shortage.  But you can't tell me they haven't got a Mount Vesuvius of MRE's all over the place.

And for those of you who think there aren't douchebag shitheads with green berets, you're wrong.  Granted, they're a minority; but the fact remains that a special forces group is around the size of a battalion.  You will get shitheads in an organization that big, regardless of its status. 

I guaruntee there's somebody in Delta Force right now whose teammates keep muttering to each other, 'How the fuck did he make it?'

43

Anthony B - What bad weather are you referring to? I am in Iraq right now, between Kuwait and Baghdad and it has been nothing but sunshine and heat for weeks now. The rainy season this year was longer then normal, but for the last 2 months there has been NO bad weather, so please enlighten me.

Gentlemen - I can assure you that in the 2 1/2 yrs I have been here, from Nas to Mosul, there has never been a time where anyone had to eat MREs due to a lack of food. 100% utter and total BS.

44 You may address me as Lord Felchworth.

Posted by: Paul Zrimsek at May 26, 2007 11:57 PM (E3Bj/)

Damn it!  First thing in the morning and I snotted coffee on my monitor..

45

Juan Cole: "I didn't link to it until Col. Pat Lang did. He is former head of DIA for Middle East. When he retracts, so will I."

This country is doomed.

Maybe it's time we rebuild that Gorlick Wall. I'm not sure I want these guys sharing research, intel, and analysis with the other agencies after all.

46 Guys, this story is real! I have personally seen another memo that proves it's authentic. That memo even had an official looking Franklin Mint Civil War Chess Set seal at the top that clearly showed General Lee's "stoic determination" in his face.

47 OT:

Sightings of ManBearPig.

48 Hate to say it, but Ra^ther's fake looked better than this one.  I fear as the next election season approaches, the quality of the frauds will further decline. 

49

I can't confirm the bad weather story; that is what GEN Petraeus was told when he asked about the convoy status a few days ago during the morning BUA.  We never ran out of food and never had to eat MREs, but did run short of fresh fruit, lettuce, and other vegetables.  The convoys are apparently running again and we are almost back to a normal chow schedule - still no Diet Coke on the shelves and strawberry Fanta was the only soft drink I saw this morning at breakfast.  No one ever went hungry.

The memo wasn't an official State Department document; it was more of an inter-office communication explaining the situation and isn�t on official letterhead.  I could dig several others with the same format from my archives if anyone is really interested.  Yep, it has the embedded eagle in the top right corner and is obviously a format put together by the originating office.  I can't tell where the memo originated; it was sent out as an "All Hands" message and doesn't list the original e-mail address.

I�m ten months into a one-year tour and this is the first disruption of the first class chow service we have experienced.  There was no shortage of food; we just didn�t have the four or five choices KBR normally offers and the short order side of the DFAC was closed down for a few days.  

 

I�d never posted here before and only did so because I didn�t want the site to take a credibility hit.  The �shortage� was taken way out of proportion in the story, but the memo is a real document.

Tony

50 I seriously want to see the gaywad font.

the stupid "threat" emails -- "me and my friends will meet you" are so totally these idiots schtick, you can't believe they were one out intelligence personal.

Larry has sent me a bunch of threatening emails and still is incapable of getting through his pea brain I am a girl - he thinks I am a male DOD employee plant working for Diebold
-- I kid you not.

51 I emailed the embassy in Baghdad and asked about this.  They confirmed that locally they are referred to as US Mission Iraq and that the memo was genuine.  I have forwarded the email to Ace and he can verify it in any way he wants and post it or not. 

52 I can't help but wonder if all the other leaks coming out of the State Department come on Word-created PDF with a Lenox China figurine at the top.

53 but the memo is a real document.

So when did the US govt start using Hummel figurines for eagle logo?  I must have missed that memo.

54

You know... it's going to look really bad if/when someone in Iraq produces this memo in this exact format.

Then the inescapable truth will be not that WaPo was taken in by a "fake", but that apparently the US Army uses Google and Adobe to make official military documents.

55

Purple Avenger:

  I thought I made it pretty clear that this wasn't an official State Department memo - it was an informal, inter-office document sent by e-mail.  I don't know why they use that figure to dress up the format, but I have several others with the exact same format in my archives.  It is probably exactly what it looks like - someone decided to make their generic message format more attractive and decided to include an image available on the web.

  Feel free to continue believing the memo is a fake if you want.  I'm simply trying to keep folks from making a mistake by attacking the origin of the memo.  Attack the spin of the story or how it was blown out of proportion, but don't doubt the memo - you will eventually lose that one.

Tony

Tony  

56

As what Tony says, this might be an real memo, but the content is questionable.

I think Tony's comments on 55 are spot on.

So the State Dept pogues don't get chocolate chip AND oatmeal raisin cookies for dinner - boo-freaking-who.

The DFAC in the AOR put on outstanding fare and KBR (yes the evil KBR) should get a lot of credit.

57

"Charles Johnson has dubbed this "Hummelgate." Sounds good to me."

I suggested "beat up waiter", but was shouted down at the press club...

58

59 I wouldn't put it past the VIPS for this to be a real memo and deliberate disinformation. They are bad to the bone. 'Fake, but accurate' started with the Yellow Cake forgeries.
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60 I was Army Intelligence for 8 years - an enlisted man. I can tell you this much; most officers in MI are from the "I know how to repeat what the sergeants who do the actual work tell me and defer tough questions to the warrant officer on my staff - therefore, I am a colonel" mold of how to get promoted.

61 u da bess!

62 it was an informal, inter-office document sent by e-mail.

That was very conveniently and quickly leaked to the press.  IOW, an "official unofficial fake" designed and deployed for maximum impact and deniability. 

So why would such a thing be given any more credence than say, graffiti at the Harvard Square T stop?

63 Tony, for a moment let's assume it was genuinely created by someone who really works for the State Department at the actual embassy in Baghdad.  Let's also take it for granted that, for a time, threats of cafeteria-food shortages for non-military employees were a possibility.

That still means someone at the State Department is spreading rumors on lame-ass looking stationary to people who are trying to manipulate information back to the States about "the (military) command in Iraq (being) in some difficulty with regard to hot meals" (and it gets worse from there).

I don't care if the genuine Ambassador himself is writing the damn thing, it's not the way to do business.  I fully intend to "attack the origin of the memo", and with no apologies.

We've gone from "fake, but accurate" to "real, but unauthorized, unsourced, and exaggerated".  Is that supposed to be progress?

64 Oh, I'm sorry... I forgot something.

"real, but unauthorized, unsourced, and exaggerated, on lame-ass, self-aggrandizing, homemade stationary, using Internet-purloined images"

Better.

65 Wait, wasn't LJ saying that a Military PAO was saying the memo was fake?  If it is a state department internal document....Why the fuck is anyone asking a Mil PAO about it?

It makes no sense, it doesn't. 

66 This is frustrating.  It's just like 9/11 Truthers no matter how many times or ways you prove the point they have some little loophole to work thru.

You say this looks like an inter office memo they are informal.

Reply - Memos are never allowed to be informal

You point to the correspondence manual where it specifically says memos are used for informal communication.

Reply - Well it doesn't have letterhead.  All memos have letterhead.

You point out that the correspondence manual restricts use of letterhead.

And so on and so on ad so on.  Finally someone who is putatively on site in Baghdad says don't go to far on this the memo is real, and someone else (me) says I emailed the embassy this memo is real and I gave the e-mail to Ace for verification and it comes down to - well this is a disinformation operation.

Here is the email.  I pulled my identifying info but that's all.  Like I said Ace has a forwarded copy so he can verify it via headers or whatever.

From: Baghdad, Press Office [mailto:BaghdadPressOffice@state.gov]
Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:09 PM
To: Chad
Subject: RE: Question regarding a Washington Post story

Hi Chad,

These are great questions.

In short, the term �US Mission-Iraq� is how the military here generally refers to us; however, we at the Embassy simply call ourselves �the US Embassy� or, for the actual real estate on which we sit, �the Embassy compound.� As for the food-shortage notice, yes, it was a legitimate notice; however, food convoys have since begun to come in and we�re gradually getting back to normal.

Thanks for asking!

BAGHDAD PRESS OFFICE
U.S. Embassy, Baghdad
Email: BaghdadfPressOffice@state.gov
Web: http://iraq.usembassy.gov

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From: Chad
Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2007 9:36 AM
To: Baghdad, Press Office
Subject: Question regarding a Washington Post story

Dear Sir or Ma�am:

I am a blogger who is following up on a story appearing in the Washington Post regarding a shortage of fresh foods reaching the embassy. There are some bones of contention regarding this story:

1. Is the title US Mission � Iraq in use? It is my understanding that a US Mission includes all American activities in a particular country where the embassy is merely the physical building. Is this correct?
2. Did a memo attached appear outside the dining facility, or is it a fake used to dupe the Washington Post into writing yet another negative story about the conditions in Iraq as alleged by some.

Thanks for your time

Chad

67

Aren't Scary Johnson and his sidekick Pat Lang (or is it the other way around?) bad ass spies?  Why do they need someone to give them directions to where they live? 

68 So Chad, were there "Theatre-Wide" shortages as was implied, or just some pussy ass civilians at the State Department denied their yogurt.

My only claim from the very beginning was that this wasn't a memo put out by the Army.  I stick to what I know.  Others have pointed out that this didn't look like any documentation they were familiar with when it came to the military.  How was anyone who claimed that the "memo" was fishy from a military perspective wrong?  Oh wait they weren't.

The memo that was produced is still horse-shit because DFACs never have served MREs.  They are distributed by supply.  I'm no expert on the state department, but I'm sure that they embassy would have something similar in that position. 

69 That's TRouBle with a capital TBR.
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70

OK guys, last post on this subject for me and I'll get back to work.

1.  I am an active duty LTC assigned to the portion of MNF-I headquarters housed at the Embassy compund.

2.  The document is completely real and was distributed on 21 May in the form of an "All Hands Alert" message.  I have the original e-mail, along with several others that use the same heading and eagle for decoration.

3.  No one was spreading rumors of food shortages in the message.  We had noticed the DFAC selection deteriorating a few days before the message went out; it was probably intended to let the people who work here know why the selections were changing and what the DFAC was planning to do.  Rumor control is very important.

4.  I'm not saying anything about the quality of the story, or the fact that the message was "leaked" (how does one leak an unclassified document?), or that the story was blown completely out of proportion and was used to make the situation here look bad.  All I'm saying is that criticizing the origin of the message will come back to bite you in the tail because there are several hundred others on the distribution list and it will be proven accurate.  Don't focus on the eagle or the format; focus on the way a simple convoy delay was turned into a military disaster with starving State Department personnel the result.  That is the real story here.

    

71 What if that figurine was based on a logo that the US military uses sometimes? Let's not get too carried away here.

72 VIPS disinformation in plain view for the Eagles to see.

Those stripes are eviscerations.
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73 Thanks for the help, AB, but why so coy? Didn't have a handy WO?
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74 And won't someone please hold the WaPo accountable for its part? Where's Chris Fotoshop when you need him?
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75 how does one leak an unclassified document?

Let me unzip and we'll find out.

76 @black republican

That may have been your only claim, although at least once you appeared to accept this as a state department memo.  It wasn't the claim that was being made on the whole.   The people who made the it looks fishy claims were wrong because they didn't bother doing any follow-up.  They found a meme they liked and jumped on the bandwagon.

I can't speak to theatre wide shortages I am not there.  Here is what the Washington Post said:

As if security threats and overcrowding weren't enough, now the food is under threat. Asked about the convoy problems, Col. Steven A. Boylan, spokesman for Gen. David H. Petraeus, the U.S. military commander in Iraq, cited bad weather in Kuwait and along the routes north. "Visibility was very poor and [it] would not have been safe to drive," Boylan said in an e-mail.

The embassy food is supplied under a U.S. government contract with Houston-based KBR, which separately provides similar services to the military.

So apparently there was a problem in Kuwait which is part of the theatre which caused a delay in deliveries.  Is that a theatre wide shortage?  Or is it a theatre wide problem causing a shortage? 

As far as DFACs never serving MREs I can't speak to that like I said I have been out for 11 years.  When I went thru basic at Ft. Knox on the days we got C-Rats for lunch we recieved them and signed for them at the chow hall.  That was 1982.  When I was in Iceland when we had the semi-annual the Russians are invading exercises we signed for our MREs at the Mess hall.  So it's not like never in the history of world have chow halls not passed out MREs.  Given that the chow hall tends to be a central gathering area it would make sense to pick the stuff up there and it may have just been desiginated for convience sake.  If you are hanging your entire argument on that point I think you are out on a weak branch.

77 As Honest AB so clearly points out, it is Lang who exaggerated it, and the WaPo who believed him. Now who or which is most threatening I leave to each of you to decide.
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78 he was awarded the �Presidential Rank of Distinguished Executive.� This is the equivalent of a British knighthood.

Let me be clear:

Bullshit.

No, bull-fucking-shit.

And I'm in a position to know.

79 There is no equivalent to Armitage's honor.
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80 Tell me where we will meet. Be prepared to remain there.

Please tell me you're kidding.  I mean, or what?  He'll post more forged memos with DoD door knockers on them?

This guy sounds more like Dale ("I know who you are and where you live") Gribble than some scary super-spy ninja master.  What a dork.

81 I already regret myself, Tony. The truth is usually risky. Keep up the good work.
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82 Can you prove it was not true?

Ah, the old "Plan Nine from Outer Space" defense:

Criswell:  Can you prove it didn't happen?

"Your stupid brains!  Stupid!  Stupid!"

83 It seems that the point of this "contoversy" is being missed. After reading Anthony's post, I tend to believe this is a real document. I'm not sure it matters one way or the other. The real story hear is the attempt by the ususal suspects to spin this into something dire and caused by the Bush McHiterhaliburton crime organization.

>Juan Cole - Wednesday, May 23, 2007
Starving the Americans Out

The informant adds his own comment:

The bottom line is that our troops depend on a ground supply line that runs from Kuwait to the various bases in Iraq. When I was in Iraq last year at the U.S. base in Balad I had the chance to eat four meals a day--breakfast, lunch, dinner, and midnight rations (midrats). If you like late nights the midrats were great--steak, eggs, pancakes. Pretty good food. Well, based on this memo, it looks like those were the good old days. We don't have enough convoys to give our troops three hot meals a day. '

Really? Where does anything in this memo state that our troops aren't getting 3 hots a day? That would be a big deal but is not having certain menu offerings for a limited amount of time a crisis? If so, then I want to bring my university administration up on war crimes charges. There were whole weeks that passed when I didn't get my Sloppy Joes.

>Larry Johnson - The Surge is Failing and We're Hurting the Troops
by
Larry C Johnson

Some brave soul in the U.S. military sent Pat Lang a memo issued Monday that shows the U.S. ability to support its troops is collapsing and very vulnerable to disruption.

The US ability to support its troops is collapsing because some short term weather issues delayed some food shipments? I hadn't heard that the BushCo. weather machine, so effective in the mass killings in New Orleans of scary brown people, had been deployed to Iraq.

Nobody is starving. Nobody is going hungry. This had nothing to do with not being able to support our troops. It was a short term weather delay. This is a total non-story that a hard left WaPo reporter, the scary stupid intelligence giant Larry Johnson and pro-terrorist supporter Juan Cole attempted to use in their never ending attempt to paint Iraq as a failure.

Ho hum.

84 Chad, I do indeed think the memo is genuine, in the sense that it came from a State Department office at the embassy in Baghdad that was just trying to inform people why food wasn't what they were used to.  The first thing I said at my own blog was that I wasn't going  to "proclaim it a genuine Rathergate just yet".  And as soon as it became plain that the cries of "forgery" were baseless, I posted an update that said it appeared to be an actual, internal, inter-office, State Department document.

Similar to what Jack just posted, I don't see that any of that changes a damn thing I've said.

how does one leak an unclassified document?

How does one "out" a CIA analyst who is a regular on the Washington cocktail circuit?

85 The real story hear

Jesus, what a dope....The real story here

I was late to this party but it seems I stayed too late at the one last night/this morning.

86 Karen DeYoung's email isn't working.  If you attempt to submit an email it says this service is temporarily unavailable.

87 @black republican

I haven't read your blog, your name has shown as linkable in my browser.  So if I was unfairly charecterizing your views then I apologize. 

It does remain true however that a large number of people have been basing their opinion of this story on the memo being fake. 

I agree with Jack that the main point of the WaPo article has been lost.  Shortages, occuring for whatever reason, have been predicted.  In my comments over at the original thread I said that I thought that was blown out of proportion.  I stand by that opinion. 

I probably contributed more than most to this being drug over to a minute examination of the government interfoffice memo, but just once I would like it when I say hey maybe we should look at this a little closer people would give it a little consideration.

88

Even if the body of the memo is somehow (or somewhat) genuine, isn't this more a reflection on what a bunch of nancy-boys the state department has posted it Iraq?  How does it reflect on the military?  Nobody said that there were troops in line units going hungry.  Maybe the embassy was too stupid to lay in a supply of frozen or otherwise preserved food in case of convoy disruptions.  Anyway, if you go to the State Department Website you can see that their logo looks nothing like this desk ornament.  Wouldn't a state department official posted to Baghdad have better things to do than to create non-standard, unathorized letterhead?

 

 

89 has not shown as linkable that should have read.

90 Hey, if I'm wrong, I'll be the first person to stand up and say it.  And I would like to thank those who showed me the errors in my thought.

Given what AB and Chad have shown, (not knowing them I can't/won't discount their credibility) however... This is an unprofessional document.  I'm still waiting to find out what a MGT is.  Even if that is some sort of State Department rank, shouldn't there be something following it to distinguish the ranks/paygrades of the 2 individuals?

I'm not discounting that there was a memo that contained this information.  However, I'm still not 100% convinced that this .pdf in question is the original.

91 @90
And on that I am done.  I have gone as far as I am capable of going short of flying to Baghdad breaking into the green zone, photographing the memo, tracking down MGT/S. Muench (who I bet is a manager for KBR) photocopying his ID card, hacking into the network and posting it all online. 

Even then I am sure people would accuse me of faking it all. 

92 1. "...This is the equivalent of a British knighthood. ..."

No. The US doesn't bestow titles of nobility or anything similar.

2. MREs are always available at the DFAC. Grab one if you're not going to be on base during lunch. Grab two if you're going out for a long time. It was this way in Kosovo and this way in Kuwait. Food's not a problem, though variety might be.

3. Soldiers complian about everything. If they're not complaining, something is wrong.

4. Use of an eagle figurine is confusing. Why bother with it when your unit already has its own letterhead? Why even both making a .pdf when a simple e-mail message would do the trick?

93 Ace is having a bad week, between the Vagina Monologue and this latest embarrassment. Keep it up and your credibility will be down in Goldstein territory.

94 It does remain true however that a large number of people have been basing their opinion of this story on the memo being fake.

This is a moronblog. We base opinions on stupid shit all the time.  It's what makes us so lovable.

I haven't read your blog.

Heh, who has?  I live in an obscurity Ace can only dream about.  I put my real name on my blog, and people still can't find me.

95 it comes down to - well this is a disinformation operation.

Which is about all Larry Johnson or Pat Lang are capable of, either by accident or on purpose.

96 In other news...I'm out of beer.

97 @91 Chad...

If this is an authentic State Department Doc, someone should be able to tell us what the GS equivelent  a MGT is. 

So far, no one has.

98 Former Republican --  "I'm not discounting that there was a memo that contained this information..."

"Even though the creator of 'Bigfoot' confessed to the hoax, I think something might still be out there..."  Bigfoot 'researcher' quoted in Skeptical Inquirer.

Good luck with your new career as a "cryptozoologist", moby...

99 Are we coming to a consensus that the "memo" is accurate but irrelevant?

100 Thanks for the heads up, Tony. Fake memo or not, the story is obvious BS. If there are disruptions to the supply chain, it isn't going to be due to enemy action. Sometimes things just happen for short periods of time. I've been in Turkey when all we could buy from the BX (on base) was Coors. Not even Coors light. We toughed it out until the (marginally) better beer came in. Stupid story, but the point is glitches happen for whatever reason, but in my experience they are very rarely long-lasting when it comes to food for the troops.

101 Longshot much Mcenroe?

My doubt originated from a memo that is nowhere near any memo I had ever seen.
Please, oh all-knowing-one, why was a mil PAO asked about an internal State Dept. memo.

No logical conclusion there.  And not to totally bemoan Crypto-zooligists....Coelacanth? 

102 Some contact points for the WaPO... since the reporter lady's having a moment...


Contact Us Main Phone: 202.334.6000
800.627.1150 Letters to the Editor: Letters to the Editor
The Washington Post
1150 15 St. NW
Washington, DC 20071

and by e-mail at:
letters@washpost.com

103 Use of an eagle figurine is confusing. Why bother with it when your unit already has its own letterhead? Why even both making a .pdf when a simple e-mail message would do the trick?

Thank you, Dave - you've solved the mystery of the differing dates and differing file formats.

Col. Lang posted the document as a Word .DOC on 23 May, but the .DOC itself was created the same day as the date of the memo - 21 May.  Whoever created the PDF took the same file Lang has (from the same or a similar source, or from his site) and used Word to convert it to PDF.

Why?  Because the MS Word .DOC is an insecure file format commonly used to transmit worms.  Only an idiot sends a Word .DOC over the Internet as an attachment.  (And only an idiot opens a Word .DOC he finds on the Internet, but I decided to take one for the team on this.)  The person who created the PDF was either unwilling or unable to transmit the .DOC (some networks are properly configured to prevent their transmission).

Now.... who would be sending that email with the PDF attached, and to whom?

Any bets that the WaPo server is configured not to accept .DOC files?

104 That is a fair guess, I never, ever accept any attachment with a DOC extension (or that's a screensaver, usually .SCR). Many businesses simply won't allow this type just to idiotproof their email system.

105 Soldiers complian about everything. If they're not complaining, something is wrong.

The fundamental right of a soldier: to bitch and moan.

106 The Black Republican,

I also took the plunge and looked at the document at Lang's site, but it apparently didn't have eagle that everyone is talking about. I had to open it with WordPerfect 12 since I don't have Microsoft word on this computer (don't ask me why), so I don't know if that's why the image didn't show up. Did it appear when you looked at it? Thanks.

107 "Can you prove its not true?"

I don't know Mary Mapes, eh, Mr. Lang, can you prove that its actually true?

Ace, you might want to make a note of the fact that Mr. Lang was interviewed by Doug Feith for a job at the Pentagon - and didn't get it.

From the little reach-around party Lang, Johnson & Co had at UDC on May 7:

Lang: I decided, at the urging of my friends, to tell my Doug Feith story. I've done this in print before, so I'm not shy about it.

In the first year of the Bush Administration, I had a friend who's an old Army friend, who was working for Rumsfeld in hiring seniors over there. And so he called me up one day, and he asked me, I think you'd make a wonderful Assistant Secretary of Defense for Whatchamacallit. And I thought about that, and you know, I'm not a Republican. Actually, I'm a helluva lot more conservative than these neo-cons, that's for sure. So I thought, "that'd be interesting," so I said, "Go ahead." So, he put my name in the hopper, and I ended up going around the Stations of the Cross in the Pentagon, you know, you see all these offices, all these people.

And I finally end up one day, in the penultimate moment of this, in Doug Feith's office. And he was sitting there munching a sandwich while he was talking to me (which I thought was remarkable in itself), but he also had these briefing papers�they always had briefing papers, you know�about me. He's looking at this stuff, and he says, "I've heard of you. I heard of you." He says, "Is it really true that you really know the Arabs this well, and that you speak Arabic this well? Is that really true? Is that really true?"

And I said, "Yeah, that's really true."

He says, "That's too bad." [laughter]

That was the end of the interview. I'm not quite sure what he meant, but you can work it out.

108 Did it appear when you looked at it?

Yup, it's there.

109 The original Word document for the email is over at Pat Lang's blog. Looking at the properties for it, it says that "khanp" created the document, and "martinkm" was the last to save it. Yet in the email, it says that MGT/E. Butler drafted it, and MGT/S. Muench approved it. So Mr. Butler and Mrs. Muench can't even write their own emails, or....?

Why did they make it into a PDF for Johnson to peddle it?

DeYoung might not be back at work until Monday, so maybe we'll hear from her then...

110 Monday is a holyday, remember? Keep the faith, and the memories of old forgotten far-off things, and battles long ago.
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111 Hey pooch, al-Absi, Jordan, Foley, '02.
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112 AKA Shakir al-Abssi, sentenced in absentia for Foley's death, USAID bigwig in Africa, who must have known about the black market in Yellow Cake.

Lang long langue cochon
Niger bakes gateaux jaunes.
Let us pray,
A beast's at bay,
Beside Mediterraune.
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113 You're going to look like a fool (again) "Ace" 

That Admin notice was distributed about a week or so ago to all people in the Baghdad embassy.  The content is as I remember it, I'll have to check on the regular logo, though.

Too much was read into the notice, though.  It's not a big deal, convoys get delays for all sorts of reasons.  There is still Baskin Robbins ice cream in the embassy DFAC.  One reason for the delays might be the strain on logistics caused by deployments of brigades into Baghdad right now.

You're messing with the wrong guy if you mess with Lang.  He would rip the flesh off of your fleshy white face.

114 that is what GEN Petraeus was told when he asked about the convoy status a few days ago during the morning BUA.

And Tony, the morning BUA is classified Secret, so not for disclosure in comment sections.

115 What, Icarus, with his elongated porcinity? Fork him.
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116 You're messing with the wrong guy if you mess with Lang.  He would rip the flesh off of your fleshy white face.

Icus at May 27, 2007 03:52 PM

Col. Lang Mr. Icus:  your "friend" sounds like the kind of guy who talks a lot of non-sense similar to that above but would cry like like a girl were he to find himself, say, on the intersection of Manchester and Western Aveneues in South Central LA on Saturday night.

And I say that as a girl.

117 Wow, Icus gets around.  Last time, he was pissed about Disney infringing on Palestinians', ummm, 'academic freedom'.

118 Okay, I'll be a little more respectful to Col. Lang because of his service.  However, he and his ilk are exemplary of US intelligence agency leadership who would rather snipe from retirement than actually lead--so not that respectful.

119 You're messing with the wrong guy if you mess with Lang.

Too funny.

120 Still no MGT rank?

121 @former republican

Why don't you do what I did.  Take the plunge and e-mail the embassy.

122 I noticed that Larry Prang didn't have the balls to publish my response on his blog.  Yellow coward, indeed!

123

The document could have bona fide's that are factualy proven, but the source of the document was either misrepresented, or offered without authorization and the subsequent analysis of the document completely false.

A unofficial notification (the only way all of the problems that have been pointed out can be allowed) is not an official notification, or document, that is why the prefix "un" before "official" meaning that it's not official.

To take an unofficial notification and turn it into a theater wide edict is blatantly false reporting, and fraudulently represented in the first place.

The document, as described, analyzed and disseminated is false.

So apparently we have a new standard.  "the document is real, but everything it says is false, it depicts a false standard, it is given false veritae and all of the subsequent analysis is false."

Is there any chance that the standard can be "true." without qualifications, cuz you know, when it comes to something like food, it's really easy to guage the validity of something like this.

"mr. ambassador? did your secretary eat today?"

"yes"

"okay, so this is all bullshit?"

"yes"

Thank you, we will retract in the auto section of the wednesday edition like we always do.

124

"Ace hates, me and Bbeck hasn't commented cuz I haven't asked her out."

Prove it wrong!

125 Is it customary for anyone to really pay attention to memos, intra-office or otherwise, that have been gussied up in just any random manner? If someone went to the trouble of finding and incorporating such a ridiculous letterhead image, they must have had some reason for the extra effort. Considering an author tasked with the job should have had easy access to official logos, why the substitution?

What's to stop anyone from creating another "staff notice" that the DFACs will be redeploying to Okinawa? And who should pay attention to that?

Could it be that improperly incorporating an official logo would have been a prosecutable offense whereas posting sans logo is just considered "graffiti" and generally ignored? So, is this a case where the author was not authorized to make such a posting, the trumped up memo was something other than what it was supposed to be, and the whole thing remains the fabrication of some sort most here have assumed?

In any case, much ado about nothing... unless you're Lang or Cole where you can wrap a meme around this pulpy goodness and smother it with dripping smugness and sell it to the brown-bagging DeYoung's of WaPo. From DFACs in Okinawa.

126 Lang looks like he'd murder some pork chops and a fucking ice cream cake.

127 118 Okay, I'll be a little more respectful to Col. Lang because of his service.

He's a fuckin' REMF fuck trying to sound all hard. Just the way he says it: "Served in a variety of Infantry, Special Forces and Military Intelligence assignments." As a MI fag on his fat ass no doubt. Notice the decorations section, no Purple Hearts, Bronze Star, or even an ARCOM? No skill badges or schools listed? Odd for an SF or infantry officer in Vietnam "assigned to combat duty".  Plus he went to VMI, where the homos go (the real men go to The Citadel). He can suck my balls.

128 All I wanna know is who is "khanp" and "martinkm" and why can't the geniuses Butler and Muench write a short memo/email without involving two other people?

I mean, it's like a god damn light bulb joke.

How many State Department employees does it take to write and disseminate a short memo?

129

ARCOM?

I did 4 years in the MC, and I don't have a NAVCOM, but I have a NMCAM as someone who is totaly remf, (I would have worked in an ac'd connex with enough equipment to build a tank) So I can see that argument elcido.

In Wartime, if I had did what I did to earn my NAM, I would have gotten a NavCom, Purple heart I don't know about, unless as "someone" suggested once, that burning my fingers on a soldering iron rates a purple heart. 

130 Okay, I'll be a little more respectful to Col. Lang because of his service. However, he and his ilk are exemplary of US intelligence agency leadership who would rather snipe from retirement than actually lead--so not that respectful.

Seems like there's a lot of Pentagon brass these days willing to do just that. Makes you wonder how much the concept of honor and duty means to them.

131 If anyone has a spare secret decoder ring, could I borrow it ? It may be the only way to unravel what "Kim" is going on about it. The only lucid part of his comments seems to be this part: ===============

132 Col. Lang makes me go all warm and gushy inside.  I hope to fellate him someday.

133 Damn it, forgot the quotation marks again.  I hope to fellate "Col. Lang" someday.  There, much better.

134

Col lang looks as 'hard' as mashed potato.

He'd have a coronary if someone shaped up to him.

135 I checked - The notice as published by Col. Lang is authentic, right down to the funny eagle, fools. 

It was sent out to members of the "Baghdad COM Broadcast" State Department email distribution list on 21 May.  COM stands for "Chief of Mission," i.e. those falling under the authority of the Chief of Mission, U.S. Mission in Iraq, Amb. Crocker.   "U.S. Mission in Iraq" is the term used in the State Department for the Baghdad embassy, USAID, and the regional embassy offices and Provincial Reconstruction Teams in Iraq.   "MGT" is not a rank, it stands for "Management," as in the department of the embassy responsible for logistics and operations.

As usual, "Ace" is a deuce'n dolt.  Of course, when your soft fleshy ass has never been in a conflict zone, in the State Department, military, or otherwise, you have no idea about how such things work.

136 Oh, and I've had the notice as received in an official email account forwarded to the Washington Post reporter, so I guarantee there will be no retraction, morons.

137 I guarantee there will be no retraction

There never is.

138 We are learning how Lang works. Maybe the WaPo will too?
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139 I checked

Checked what?

140

Bwah, hah, hah:

http://www.floppingaces.net/2007/05/26/another-forged-document-fools/

I was posting in the comments over at AoS and out of curiosity I emailed the embassy in Baghdad. They confirmed the memo was real.

Posted by Posted by chad | May 27, 2007 7:07 AM | Reply

sorry hit post too soon. I provided the e-mail to Ace and will be happy to forward it to you guys also if you want it.

Posted by Posted by chad | May 27, 2007 7:08 AM | Reply

http://www.iraqslogger.com/index.php/post/2965/That_Disputed_Food_Supply_Memo_Its_Legit

From: Baghdad, Press Office Sent: Saturday, May 26, 2007 11:09 PM To: Chad Subject: RE: Question regarding a Washington Post story

Hi Chad,

These are great questions.

In short, the term �US Mission-Iraq� is how the military here generally refers to us; however, we at the Embassy simply call ourselves �the US Embassy� or, for the actual real estate on which we sit, �the Embassy compound.� As for the food-shortage notice, yes, it was a legitimate notice; however, food convoys have since begun to come in and we�re gradually getting back to normal.

Thanks for asking!

BAGHDAD PRESS OFFICE U.S. Embassy, Baghdad Email: BaghdadfPressOffice@state.gov Web: http://iraq.usembassy.gov

Of course, "Ace" swallowed it whole, or is just a lying blivet. Chump.

 

141 Fake but accurate becomes real but inaccurate.

Ain't the net grand?
==================

142 Of course you don't retract a real memo; what about retracting the unreal story made from it?

We'll come to terms with false memes, somehow.
===================================

143 Meanwhile, it's a crockerbarrel full of laughs.
==============================

144 The real question is whether the whole Plame fiasco was a result of Joe Wilson's desire to be a player in the coming Kerry administration, or whether it was from something more innocent, like his and Val's vanity and venality, or more sinister, like a CIA disinformation plot.
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145 How about "Crocker Barrel Full of Gaffes'?
===========================

146 Could it have been al-Qaeda, and not Saddam, who was after the bomb?
=================================

147 Who would know that it would be difficult to find a Saddam-Niger link? Whoever knew it was al-Abssi in Iraq who wanted the Yellow Cake instead.
================================

148 I just love quotation marks.  But not nearly as much as I love sucking dicks.

149 @140

<i>

Of course, "Ace" swallowed it whole, or is just a lying blivet. Chump.

</i>

Hey, it wasn't my intention to attempt to embarrass Ace, just to provide him with the facts.  Given that he hasn't posted anything since yesterday afternoon and that I am sure he gets a lot more e-mail than just mine I am willing to assume he hasn't read my e-mail yet.  I have found in the past that Ace will post corrections when necessary.

150 Another thought.  One of the ways that I know Rathergate, Reutergate etc.  hit home is the fact that Larry Johnson and Juan Cole both backed off the memo.  Cole pulled it yesterday. 

151 Indeed, but it didn't hit hard enough or they wouldn't try this kind of thing to begin with. In any case, their reaction to the information is far out of proportion to the actual event.

152 Ha-ha! Turns out the memo was real and another Bush lapdog winds up looking the stupid little git he is.

Nice job, Ace. You punk'd yourself.

Here's a pro tip: Next time, don't be so eager to play "investigative journalist." It's harder than it looks. Stick with what you know best: hate speech.

153 If the memo is real, that means:

1. The US Embassy refers to itself by a name (US Mission Iraq) in letterhead that it claims only the military uses for it.

2. The US Embassy uses a picture of a commercial figurine in their official letterhead, although official logos should be readily available.

3. A whole four people were involved in sending a simple email: "khanp", "martinkm", Mr. Butler, and Mrs. Muench.

4. A simple email was written in Microsoft Word, not exactly the best way to broadcast a message since it requires that the recipient has Word to view it.

Not to mention the simple fact that there never was any problem with the food supply, as the WaPo story even admitted at the end of their article, and the supposed response from the embassy shows.

In other words, there is no "there" there, while Larry Johnson calls for Petraeus to apologize to the troops and tries to cause a big stink about it.

154 Juan Cole is fluent in Arabic, Farsi and Urdu.  What are you geniuses up to?

155 Who's the dickhead now, Ace?

156 To be clear:  Now that the U.S. Embassy has confirmed that the memo is real, how long will it take for you issue a retraction and apology?  Or were you waiting for the WMDs to show up, and for OJ to find the real killers first?

157

Don't worry, Ace.  Crediblity isn't a necessity to be a right wing blogger.

158 Not to mention that the US military Public Affairs Officer in Baghdad said that the memo was phony! The embassy guy in Chad's email did not confirm the authenticity of the actual memo being passed around, he confirmed the authenticity of the fact that a notice was given.

I think that the memo was faked based on a real notice, for reasons 1-4 stated above, and what I just stated.

159

Is it any wonder Osama Bin Laden attacked America and got away with it? The rightwing shithead-machine is so detached from reality that American heroes are "the enemy" and asshole traitors beholden to Saudi royals (Bush/Cheney) are the "noble Americans". This latest example of blame the messenger is no longer even surprising.

If the GOP and their asshole sycophants never existed, neither would the Iraq war, Bin Laden's victory, and the thousands of dead Americans killed because the rightwing is equally incompetent and anti-American.

160  you do realize how stupid this makes you look, right?

also quick memo: you guys have used the "no 'there' there" phrase so many times now that it's lost all ability to convey anything at all - better find a new phrase to hammer into the ground dully every time reality doesn't agree with your politics

161 Ouch, Ace- That will leave a mark!

I sure hope you wingnuts aren't breeding. God knows we have enough ignorant reactionary rednecks...

Boy, this has been funny watching the collective lot of you clueless bozos getting pile-driven into the dirt. Doubtless, you ladies are too gutless to even admit it, assuming of course, that you are intelligent enough to get it (consider that a token on behalf of Memorial Day).

So, Ace, prove me wrong- GET YOUR APOLOGY ON RECORD!

162 Poor Ace.  Proved to be wrong, wrong, wrong.  You ain't Flopping Aces boy, you're just flopping like a dying fish.  Time for a name change.  How about "Flopping Brainless Dickheads"?  That appears to be available and, in light of your frantic slobbering about what was in fact a legitimate memo, quite appropriate.  Do you clowns always open doors by banging your heads on them?   Thanks for the laughs.  I've kept all of your posts up at my blog in order that others might enjoy the so-called "intellectual firepower" of you clowns.

163

mmm boy. i gonna take that larry johnson boy, bend him over and snap him like a twig.

he got mighty purty lips.

164 If the GOP and their asshole sycophants never existed, neither would the Iraq war, Bin Laden's victory, and the thousands of dead Americans killed because the rightwing is equally incompetent and anti-American.

Let me guess:
You're not a genius.

It is comical to watch you ignorants come here and crow about something which you're utterly misguided and misinformed.

Unreal.
Un-fucking-real.

165

Isn't it so obvious that the left cares so much about our troops? *snort*

It makes me laugh. Like they care about the troops at all. Please.

The only scandal they care about, real or not real, are the ones that make this administration look bad. Being able to snark at a conservative blogger is just icing on the cake to them. 

If only they could channel their hateful energy against those who would kill them if they had the chance (the terrorists) instead of those of us who are just on another political side, then we might actually defeat those who hate America and all that it stands for.

 

166 Who's the dickhead now

It's still you.

167 I've kept all of your posts up at my blog in order that others might enjoy the so-called "intellectual firepower" of you clowns.

Coming from you that is a meaningless statement.

However, liar, you said in the other thread the US supply line is being attacked.

Where?
When have these attacks taken place?
Prove it.
Please.

168 God knows we have enough ignorant reactionary rednecks..

Ah, another member of the party of "tolerance"

169 So you're going to apologize for being 100% WRONG exactly when???

170 hahahaha..... what a douche and a half you are.  pathetic.  run off and play now, little boy. 

171 Chalk up one more for the Victory Caucus!

172  Ace gives a good hummel job. Run from the scary vagina, little boy.

173 It is comical to watch you ignorants come here and crow about something which you're utterly misguided and misinformed.

Posting this in defense of yet another 100% wrong wingnut-sphere witchhunt for dissenters is what's comical.

174 First let me tell you how much I admire a man who uses words like "dickhead" in a debate. It's very classy, and impresses the panties off of women. And it doesn't detract at all from any salient points you might be making.

Secondly, I guess you don't have an elderly Auntie who collects figurines. If you did, you'd probably know that figurines are often copied from actual objects and icons. Like the tiny men hoisting the flag over Iwo Jima. Or the miniature couple sharing a soda at a Norman Rockwell drugstore counter.

Art (if you are feeling generous towards collectible porcelain figurines) immitates Life. A figurine of the eagle with the flag does not mean that the masthead was copied from the collectible. It is equally - if not more - probable that the figurine is copying the masthead.

Lastly, I'm pretty sure the figurine you show isn't a Hummel, since Hummels are products of the M.I. Hummel company in Germany. A quick check of their collection shows no eagles.

175

Still no response from the reporter. Her refusal to comment is suggestive to me that she did in fact base her story on this absurd forgery she is well aware that I'm yet another right wing chickenhawk that is not worth heeding.

What kind of idiots do we have in our "intelligence" right wing blogosphere community, exactly?

When they give you an intelligence right wing blogger test, do they require you actually fail to get the job? Or at least post a not-too-high, not-too-low score somewhere between "average intelligence" and "borderline imbecile who sits in the corner all day clapping and masturbating"?

176

@ Sparkly #165

I see you are still snorting. . .

You are, as always, very very wrong.  It's good that you gave up blogging.  Otherwise you would have been more prominent in those that have soiled themselves.

Cheers

177 Posting this in defense of yet another 100% wrong wingnut-sphere witchhunt for dissenters is what's comical.

Illiterate assclown:

I'm not defending anything.

Please get a clue.

178 hat I'm yet another right wing chickenhawk that is not worth heeding.

Coming from someone who has never been in the military.

That is just too rich.

179 Posting this in defense of yet another 100% wrong wingnut-sphere witchhunt for dissenters is what's comical.


You meant this out & out lie, right?

Some brave soul in the U.S. military sent Pat Lang a memo issued Monday that shows the U.S. ability to support its troops is collapsing and very vulnerable to disruption.

180 Hey, flopping ace, you're dead wrong yet again.  When are you going to apologize? 

181 First let me tell you how much I admire a man who uses words like "dickhead" in a debate. It's very classy, and impresses the panties off of women. And it doesn't detract at all from any salient points you might be making.

Welcome to the moronblog, virgin!

182 Most amusing. Still wrong; still being defended by the usual suspects, not one of whom has addressed the simple fact that the memo is very real; still no retraction.

Thanks for being consistent, Ace. Good to know that you members of the 28% that still back Li'l George remain impenetrable to fact.

183 Do you people ever tire of being wrong? Still no retraction?  What a surprise

184 Got a question for all you Brainacs out there in wingnut land. How does it feel to be so wrong so often? Cheese and Rice you f*ckers take the friggin' prize.

185 153 If the memo is real, that means:

That the right wing noise machine just fell on it's face...again.

Pathetic.

186 175

Still no response from the reporter. Her refusal to comment is suggestive to me that she did in fact base her story on this absurd forgery she is well aware that I'm yet another right wing chickenhawk that is not worth heeding.

What kind of idiots do we have in our "intelligence" right wing blogosphere community, exactly?

When they give you an intelligence right wing blogger test, do they require you actually fail to get the job? Or at least post a not-too-high, not-too-low score somewhere between "average intelligence" and "borderline imbecile who sits in the corner all day clapping and masturbating"?

It's too perfect not to repeat.

187 I for one am waiting for the non-apology in which Ace tells Professor Cole he looks like a fat, manly lesbian retard.

188 Wow, Jay, you seem like PERFECT fit for this sad-ass blog. "Assclown", eh? Picked that one up in middle school and could never part with it I guess?

Anyway, Jay, why is it you fact-challenged (polite word for lying) neocons (polite word for Fascist) always run and hide in your little holes when the crap you spew proves false? Funny how the folks who talk tough are most cowardly of all. Just like fearless leader "Daddy, PLEASE get me a cushie job in the ANG" Bush...

This blog is one for the ages. You guys are a hoot!

189 Most amusing. Still wrong; still being defended by the usual suspects...

Hey! I'm a suspect! I'm a suspect! Oh, my mum will be so proud when I show her this.  She always told me I'd never amount to more than a third-rate Flappy Bird (and my hits show it).

Does this mean I can expect some of that l33t blog-money action soon?  You guys gonna come on over to my blog and call me names there too?  Can you please make sure to get in a "fact-challenged" or two - or maybe even "chickenhawk"? (dare I dream?!)

190 Sorry pal (#18- who would waste time at your blog (where, unless one signs up for a "typekey" identity, one's post is held for your review prior to listing)? Oh, now I see. Not many...

191 It's okay rt, I wouldn't accept a comment from someone who can't count to 189 anyway.

192 Once again the bazillion liberals use their god given brains to outwit the right wing retrograde noise chamber. Like shooting fish in a barrel but we can just give you moronic fish the shotgun and watch you shoot yourselves you are so dumb. You call Juan Cole a dickhead. You can now lick his boots liar.

193 It must be fun, working yourself up into a lather over a "scandal" only to discover that the "scandal" never existed and you're completely wrong.  Is it really too much to expect right-wing bloggers to wait a second or two and check their information before bashing out incoherent screeds about THE EVIL MAINSTREAM MEDIA on their keyboards?  "THIS IS A FUCKING HUMMEL FLAG! YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT! RAAAAGH!"  Hilarious.

Also, please someone explain to me how "supporting the troops" now means "falsely accusing highly distinguished retired colonels who were also senior officers in the Green Berets and the DIA of forgery and also calling them homos."

194 When do you plan on putting an update on this hilarious and false screed, which apologizes to everyone you have insulted?

195 I love it: a real, but silly, message, dressed up to make it more believable and misinterpretable with a veneer which is ersatz. Larry, if this is how Val worked, see her memo, no wonder we were lied into war.
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Maybe it is. If it ever happens to me, I'll let you know.

distinguished retired colonels who were also senior officers in the Green Berets

Wow. He looked so much taller in his picture.

197 BWAHAHAHA.  That was me.

Though you gotta admit it makes it even funnier.

198 It is so sad and so tragicomic to see and hear rightie cretins tout their latest "hoax" wares yet again and then have them  be shown up yet again as intellectually decrepit, morally squalid, and spiritually vacant by a few people doing some actual research and fact checking.

Conservatives: when you hitched your wagon to George Weasel Bush you bought a pile of moldering shit. All your pontificating that he is really a scoop of vanilla ice cream will not cause most people to run to get a spoon and the hot fudge sauce. On the other hand, one of the sobering discoveries of the last six years is that about 30% of the American people are brain dead.

199 Vox Populi checked, vd, and found a crow dressed up as an eagle ripping the guts out of a powerful country. Larry Johnson is a liar, ignorantly defending two of the most evil people around. Larry's called me an ignorant soul, and I've told him that it is only his ignorance that is saving his soul.

What were they up to in Africa, Larry? You know they lied to you, too.
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Naw, the appelate court will eat Lawton alive, and then the FISA court will humble him.
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201 Get over yourselves, righties.  You are wrong, your pResident is wrong, the war is wrong.

202 Feel free to politely retract your comments regarding Juan Cole's refusal to accept your "reasoning" ... dickhead.

203 Man the sock puppet trolls are alive and well here eh?

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Can you right wing lunatics STOP smearing Pat Lang and Larry Johnson, NOW that you have been proven 100% wrong?

They actually give a shit about our military and the effect Iraq is having on its effectiveness.

Wake up and smell the coffee. This isn't a movie. Soldiers are being killed every day by the Same fuckheads they are training.

Support the troops and our country. Help get them the fuck out of the middle east. Let the Iraqis kill each other on their own, without our help.

205 so will you issue a retraction you fucking dickead?

hey dickhead you were wrong

you asshole will you retract?

you jackass

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TRY LEARNING TO FUCKING USE PUNCTUATION AND BASIC GRAMMAR BEFORE HITTING THE POST BUTTON.

 

That way, people will take you serious.......

wait;

What the fuck am I saying?

Nevermind.

And as for the retraction, tell your mother as soon as she "retracts" the herpes she gave me and the rest of my college football team, I'll be sure to tell ace to follow suit.

Until then, keep the tinfoil hat pulled tight, and don't hold your breath.

 

207 Hey Latin Grammarboy- I believe you mean "take you seriously" rather than "take you serious", right? Guess they covered adverbs the year in grammar school AFTER you quit, eh?

I am so lucky to have stumbled upon the conclave of Neocon Coward Retards. Now we even have "momma" jokes.

And to think- the HEADING of this thread is "WaPo stays mum"...

You guys aren't even bright enough to be embarrassed.. What a hoot!

208 wow, turns out Ace got totally punk'd. That's hilarious. If he had any self-respect, I'd expect him to be completely embarrassed. As it is, he'll probably just move on to the next round of bullshit...

Congratulations, Ace, you currently hold the title of Biggest Wingnut Dipshit. Savor it.

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