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Clear Majority Of Democrats Either Believe Bush Knew of 9/11 Attack In Advance Or Aren't Sure If He Did Or Not

The alternate-reality-based community:

Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance. Thirty-five percent (35%) of Democrats believe he did know, 39% say he did not know, and 26% are not sure.

...

Overall, 22% of all voters believe the President knew about the attacks in advance. A slightly larger number, 29%, believe the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. White Americans are less likely than others to believe that either the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance. Americans are more likely than their elders to believe the President or the CIA knew about the attacks in advance.

Truther Nation.

Sickening.

Can a good liberal please explain to me how this mass psychosis is any different, or any better, than Hitler's "stabbed in the back" propaganda justifying the hatred (and then murder) of internal political enemies?

And remember -- John Kerry has identified himself as among those 26% of Democrats who "aren't sure."

Thanks to A. Weasel.

Posted by: Ace at 04:29 PM



Comments

1 Whatever happens we mustn't spend our energy on finding solutions.

Posted by: darwin at May 04, 2007 04:37 PM (kpZoa)

2 Because Hitler's propaganda was bad and this propaganda is good.

Posted by: The Left at May 04, 2007 04:38 PM (BXpVN)

3 The more this lie become reality, the happier I am that I live in a very small, geographically isolated (and heavily armed) community.

We are being swallowed whole by insanity.

Posted by: A. Weasel at May 04, 2007 04:46 PM (FWXe+)

4 I am inclined to wonder how many people thought FDR knew of Pearl Harbor before it happened.  And lets not get started on the JFK conspiracists.  Crazy people out there, all the time, every time.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 04, 2007 04:46 PM (za2Xz)

5 "Americans are more likely than their elders..."  Huh?  Do our elders cease being Americans after they get elderly enough?  That sentence makes no sense.

Posted by: Mrs L at May 04, 2007 04:47 PM (n5TOZ)

6 Sickening. Delusional. Inability to process reality. Evil people exist and want to kill us. This is what happens with deeply feminized folks who want to feel not think. The Rosie Nation.

Posted by: Jim Rockford at May 04, 2007 04:49 PM (4878o)

7

Truther Nation, indeed.

I want to see this poll cited (with the accompanying stats) at the next Democrat debate. Ask all the presidential hopefuls their beliefs on the question, then what their thoughts are on the Democrat base that thinks we let this happen.

Of course, want in one hand and s**t in the other...

Posted by: Frankly at May 04, 2007 04:54 PM (Q8tsb)

8 Somehow this topic is giving me Mike nostalgia.

Posted by: joeindc44 at May 04, 2007 04:54 PM (za2Xz)

9 I am still shocked and astounded every time I see one of these pieces of journalism ass-hattery claiming more and more people believe it was all a setup.

There will always be conspiracy theorists and agitators inflating the numbers but I actually believe this particular strain of crazy is contagious.

Posted by: darwin at May 04, 2007 04:55 PM (kpZoa)

10 Let's see if I'm a truther.

Is it likely that the gorvernment as a whole collected enough information to determine that an attack would take place? Probably.

Is it likely that any one person in the government saw enough data or enough analysis to determine that an attack would take place? Probably not. (failure to "connect the dots" due to Gorrelick's wall, etc).

It it possible that any person in the government (including Chimperor in Chief Shrub McBu$Hitlerbutron etc. etc. etc.) saw that an attack would take place, and then decided either to not act to stop it or to cancel plans in work to stop it? Definitely not.

Did Bush know? Nope.

Posted by: Anonymous Coward at May 04, 2007 04:58 PM (kEFav)

11 The Dolchstoss myth that Hitler pushed is actually a good comparison to what the left is engaging in with Trutherism.

Posted by: Sinistar at May 04, 2007 04:58 PM (IiAXL)

12 Is anybody getting worried that at some point the Left and the Right in this country will separate into such distinct versions of reality that a literal battle for the truth might develop?

Posted by: dri at May 04, 2007 04:59 PM (koO9y)

13 I clicked on the link and couldn't find the question that was asked.

My suspicion is that the question was capable of alternate interpretations, especially given how quickly people think about and answer such poll questions.  People who believed Bush & Co. knew generally of coming Al Qaeda attack (i.e. August PDB, Condi's briefing, etc.) may have answered "Yes."  Others probably interpreted question as meaning Bush knew time, place and manner of attacks and answered "No."

Ace's spin, without any evidence to back it up, is that 35% of Dems believe Bush knew the specifics and simply looked the other way.  That's funny in that given the tons of liberals I know, I've yet to run across a single one that has expressed that point (and we liberals aren't shy about expressing our criticisms of Bush).  This post looks more like a desire - well, actually a need - Ace has to create some cartoon character impression of Dems to avoid debating them on their actual positions.

I can actually understand why, with the state of things under Bush's leadership, he needs to do this.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 05:04 PM (7QM4N)

14 dri, some days, yeah, I really do. And I hope nobody here is stupid enough to cheer for that day either, those sorts of things are hell. The left in America has gone off the rails so badly, you wonder...

Posted by: Sinistar at May 04, 2007 05:05 PM (IiAXL)

15

I clicked on the link and couldn't find the question that was asked.

HUH? 2 blue boxes right there on the upper left.

Posted by: Frankly at May 04, 2007 05:06 PM (Q8tsb)

16 Its on there MacSwain, but don't let the facts get in the way of taking shots at Ace, of course.

Posted by: Sinistar at May 04, 2007 05:10 PM (IiAXL)

17 Sin, what bothers me the most is that yes we can have political disagreements in this country, fine but why does the Left have to lie about everything? Just tell the truth. Is that so hard to do?

Posted by: dri at May 04, 2007 05:12 PM (koO9y)

18

Macswain, you mean these questions?

Did the CIA Know About the 9/11 Attacks in Advance?

Yes

29%

No

41%

Not sure

30%

Did Bush Know About the 9/11 Attacks in Advance?

Yes

22%

No

55%

Not sure

22%

 

Yes.  Difficult to find these tricksy questions.  Good luck with that whole, alternative explanation thing.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 04, 2007 05:12 PM (pzen5)

19 I once asked a pastor friend of mine what the hardest part of writing sermons was. He told me that it could never be taken for granted that the people in the pews knew even the slightest thing about the Bible, so he had to always preach to the lowest common denominator.

We're getting to a level in our societal discourse, where we can't take the slightest amount of cognitive horsepower for granted anymore. And they're forming voting blocs. If you really want to lose it, realize that we have to come up with enough votes to offset at least 35% of the Dem voters just to break into the ones who have a few brain cells firing.

Posted by: red speck at May 04, 2007 05:14 PM (Lc9rf)

20

Sin, what bothers me the most is that yes we can have political disagreements in this country, fine but why does the Left have to lie about everything? Just tell the truth. Is that so hard to do?
The truth is whatever serves the party. I belive that's a paraphrase of Joe Stalin.

It's just as true today as it was in his day. A percentage of the left is really communist and subscribes to their ethics.

Posted by: captkidney at May 04, 2007 05:19 PM (CUVj3)

21 Did Bush Know About the 9/11 Attacks in Advance?

So the question actually supports my suspicion.  If you believe its asking generally about the attack coming the answer is "Yes" and if you hear it as asking specifically about time, place and manner the answer is "No."

No surprise ... not even with Ace's spin.  I know in your fevered minds I'll never be able to convince you that the likely intent of those who answered "Yes" is actually not as nefarious as Ace - or Drunk In Texas - would like to have it.  In fact, this is the level and kind of analysis that has gotten so many righties in trouble with their predictions in Iraq.  Simplistic assumptions of who is good and who is bad.

Thankfully most Americans are now recognizing these silly rightwing projections for wkat they actually are.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 05:32 PM (7QM4N)

22 Al-Qaeda: Just another silly rightwing projection.

Posted by: red speck at May 04, 2007 05:36 PM (Lc9rf)

23 Predicting a terrorist attack in the US was like predicting a major natural disaster somewhere on the planet in the next year -- pretty much a slam dunk certainty.

Exactly how, exactly where, and exactly when are the hard part.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 04, 2007 05:42 PM (6UoPI)

24 I know in your fevered minds I'll never be able to convince you that the likely intent of those who answered "Yes" is actually not as nefarious as Ace - or Drunk In Texas - would like to have it.

So...you're suggesting that somewhat less than 35% of democratic voters are delusional crackpots.  Any guesses on the actual percentage?

Posted by: Toby928 at May 04, 2007 05:45 PM (ATbKm)

25

If you believe its asking generally about the attack coming the answer is "Yes" and if you hear it as asking specifically about time, place and manner the answer is "No."

Are you familiar with a part of speech called the "definite article"?

Look into it, Einstein.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 04, 2007 05:48 PM (pzen5)

26 Of course, I shouldn't be laughing since, according to the same poll, Republicans only have a 7-1 edge sane vs insane.  I would have hoped for at least 12-1.

Posted by: Toby928 at May 04, 2007 05:53 PM (ATbKm)

27 A few weeks back when Mark Cuban decided to distribute Loose Change, I somewhat jokingly predicted the Dallas Mavericks would lose in the playoffs because of this. Fast forward to now. For the first time in history an 8 seed eliminted a 1 seed. Google it. Coincidence? You decide. In other billionaire news: Richard Branson's Virgin Atlantic airline was showing Loose Change 2 on their inflight movie, UNTIL YESTERDAY! THE SAME DAY THE MAVS WERE ELIMINaTED! Another coincidence? This thing has Bush's fingerprints all over it.

Posted by: kyser at May 04, 2007 05:55 PM (k7SeR)

28 Thank God for smug lefty trolls, always good for a laugh when they get owned (I refuse to use the p).


Posted by: Dr. Remulak at May 04, 2007 05:57 PM (YmPwQ)

29 if you believe its asking generally about the attack coming the answer is "Yes" and if you hear it as asking specifically about time, place and manner the answer is "No."

Funny stuff.
Really man, thanks for spinning this to a) make yourself look like an absolute moron and b) redefining words to fit your political agenda.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 06:02 PM (Y7tfq)

30 Hey, if macswain wants to argue that Democrats are so fucking stupid they can't understand what "the 9/11 Attacks" actually means, I'm willing to consider his argument. 

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 04, 2007 06:06 PM (pzen5)

31 Dave in Texas, touche!

Yes, when you hear:
My suspicion is that the question was capable of alternate interpretations,

it is usually a safe bet the issue involved makes the left look bad.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 06:08 PM (Y7tfq)

32 Toby,

A lot less than the righties who believed Saddam was connected to the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq war was justified as retribution for his involvement.

Drunk In Texas,

Thanks for making my point ... people taking a poll don't sit down and consult with Emily's Rules of Grammar before answering and this question is capable of being understood differently.  Did Bush know in advance about the 9/11 attack?  Sure, he had seen the August 2006 PDB warning of such an attack.  It's really simple to understand UNLESS you're trying to fit the answer in with a presupposed notion of the intent of Democrats.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 06:08 PM (7QM4N)

33 So the question actually supports my suspicion.  If you believe its asking generally about the attack coming the answer is "Yes" and if you hear it as asking specifically about time, place and manner the answer is "No."

McSwain, why are fucking leftist morons always looking for hidden subtext in plainly worded sentences?  Are you all secretly Strausians?

The question was, Did Bush Know About the 9/11 Attacks in Advance?

It doesn't matter what you believe it's asking generally, it's asking flat out do you think he knew THE Attacks, not some unspecified, theoretical attack or some generalized threat of an attack but THE Attacks as we know now them.

Stop inserting some wishful thinking subtext in it. It was a simple, direct question and you fucking Democrats answered it in a way that proves a good portion of you are fools or mentally deficient. Take your pick


Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 06:16 PM (gNyUT)

34 Sure, he had seen the August 2006 PDB warning of such an attack.

You are so full of shit, it is embarrassing.

Go ahead, and actually read it, clown.
Then get back to us.

Oh, and for reference, Clinton was getting the same intel.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 06:17 PM (Y7tfq)

35 he had seen the August 2006 PDB warning of such an attack.

No such attack was "warned of"

And you, illiterate boob, can't demonstrate otherwise.

and this question is capable of being understood differently.

Isn't it funny how you "smart" liberals can't read & comprehend basic sentences?

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 06:19 PM (Y7tfq)

36

Dance, Macswain, dance. 

Twist real pretty for us now. 

Can you do a back flip with a double-twist and land on yer face?

Sure. 

Knew ya could.

 

.

Posted by: The Machine at May 04, 2007 06:20 PM (L/jMX)

37 Why does erg continue using different monikers?

As to the substance:
What is plainly true is that Democrats, according to McSwain, infra, were less capable of reading/hearing a sentence and extracting its plain meaning than were Republicans. It's almost as if Dems really do want their own facts and not just their own opinions.

Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 04, 2007 06:29 PM (faxKj)

38 I don't think this one is erg.  Macswain actually seems to know basic rules of grammar, punctuation and spelling. 

Doesn't make him less full of it, though.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 06:33 PM (9vHOl)

39 Democrats in America are evenly divided on the question of whether George W. Bush knew about the 9/11 terrorist attacks in advance.

Disturbing. Disheartening. Sickening.

Until now I thought the truthers were few in number and on the fringe.

This is just shattering news. I can't think of anything funny to say.


Posted by: Steve (formerly Ed Snate) at May 04, 2007 06:40 PM (ozzjk)

40 Jay,

Go read the 9/11 report for a partial litany of all the advance warning the Bushies were getting of the attack including the August PDB entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US" and add into that Condi's July briefing regarding the emenience of
such an attack.  Maybe Drunk In Texas can tell you what "in US" means.

I didn't expect any of you righties to actually accept a different and reasonable explanation of the question and answer.  You need to believe bad things about Democrats and liberals.   

Since there are so many of these Democrats who you believe think Bush knew the time, place and manner of the attack, it should be easy to post a list of them.  Get to it.

I know tons of liberals and Dems and don't know a one who thinks this ... maybe Cynthia McKinney.  But even then I'm not sure and we got rid of that nutter. 

We don't have people on stage raising their hands for stupid things ... like not believing in evolution.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 06:41 PM (7QM4N)

41

This is just recreational cynicism.

Americans like to pose as skeptics because a) it's an intellectually easy way to assert how smart you are ("bastids can't fool me!"), and b) you can simultaneously pose as a victim ("they lied to me!", uncontrollable sobbing...).

If you ask the American people if a certain political leader did something wrong, most people will say "Hell yeah!", even if they don't have a clue, or even recognize the politician's name.

This is what the poll is showing. A large number of people being difficult cunts.

Posted by: Tom at May 04, 2007 06:43 PM (02oyd)

42 Go read the 9/11 report for a partial litany of all the advance warning the Bushies were getting of the attack including the August PDB entitled "Bin Laden Determined to Strike in US"

Uh, stupid, I linked to that PDB.

Again, I linked to the document. I don't need to "go read the 9/11 report" for anything.

Which is just a copout so you can remain ignorant about what the PDB actually said, versus what you're claiming it did.

As I said, go get a clue. Moron.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 06:46 PM (Y7tfq)

43 Tom,

Maybe but from the same story:

Republicans reject that view and, by a 7-to-1 margin, say the President did not know in advance about the attacks.

Are only Democrats 'difficult cunts'?  Naturally, I am open to that argument but your post was couched in terms of Americans, not just Democrats.

I hope you are right, I really do but I doubt it.

Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 06:48 PM (gNyUT)

44 We don't have people on stage raising their hands for stupid things ... like not believing in evolution.

No, you have people not raising their hands when asked whether we're at war.

Personally, I'd rather have a party that believes Cthulhu or the Great Spaghetti Monster created the world than one who refuses to accept reality because it's politically inconvenient.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 06:49 PM (9vHOl)

45 add into that Condi's July briefing regarding the emenience of such an attack

You know less about this than you do "the PDB"

In other words, there were no warnings about the 9/11 attack.

See stupid, you're trying to say because there were warnings "bin Laden wanted to strike" that's the same thing as being warned about the 9/11 attack.

But you're an intellectually dishonest and illiterate fraud.
So that's expected.

As I said, Clinton received the same warnings.
Read that again, clown.

Further, the very first sentece of "the PDB" talks about intel going back to 1997.

Yes, bin Laden was "determined to strike" since 1997. Yet you, in your ignorant assininity, pretend we were "warned" aobut it a month before.

Finally, you can't name a single thing Bush could have or should have done to prevent the attacks that you would have supported.

Not.
One.
Thing.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 06:51 PM (Y7tfq)

46

Are only Democrats 'difficult cunts'? 

They're disproportionately more likely to be.

Posted by: Tom at May 04, 2007 06:54 PM (02oyd)

47 A lot less than the righties who believed Saddam was connected to the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq war was justified as retribution for his involvement.

Link?

Posted by: Toby928 at May 04, 2007 07:02 PM (ATbKm)

48 emenience of such an attack

Heh.

Posted by: thesaurus at May 04, 2007 07:03 PM (ATbKm)

49

I think we need to be more sensitive and less judgmental.  We need to ask, why does George Bush hate us?

Posted by: Emperor of Icecream at May 04, 2007 07:04 PM (w4Bx4)

50

How ironic that al Qaeda's objective on 9/11 of 'humbling' the United States may yet succeed - not by force, but by dividing the country into 2 irreconcilable camps -  Camp A which perceives al Qaeda (and radical Islam) as the enemy, and Camp B which perceives Camp A as the enemy.

And given the the msm is the heart and soul of Camp B (except that they have no hearts and don't believe in souls) the end result may be civil war, with the msm fanning the flames at every step of the way.

Posted by: max at May 04, 2007 07:08 PM (HDGG5)

51

If we thought Hussein was behind 9/11, then why did we go into Afghanistan first, and why was the Iraq war promoted as a "preemptive" (instead of retaliatory) war?

Come to think of it, if we thought Hussein was behind 9/11, then that would have been the only argument for war. Everybody would have agreed to it.

But nobody made that claim. It's a straw man argument (as you probably know).

Posted by: Tom at May 04, 2007 07:12 PM (02oyd)

52 Someone is in serious need of visiting Maddox's site on 9/11 morons. Macswain's been so "bukakked with stupid" that he's become a uke for the retarded. (Too lazy to give you the Wiki pages on those terms..look 'em up yourselves)

I don't think people bitching about evolution sceptics are aware of just how stupid they look when they turn around and swallow Truther propaganda. Makes them look they'll believe anything as long as it's full of crazy.

Posted by: Basilisk at May 04, 2007 07:12 PM (p27vn)

53 max lives in Camp C --- anyone who disagrees with max is the enemy.



Jay,
like Bush, can't quite wrap his hands around "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In US" or Condi's nap

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 07:19 PM (7QM4N)

54 Huh.  When in doubt, repeat.

Nice tactic.

Ineffective, but nice.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:24 PM (9vHOl)

55 Jay, like Bush, can't quite wrap his hands around "Bin Laden Determined to Strike In US

As I pointed out clown, Clinton received the same PDB.

So tell us, where was he determined to strike?
How?

And again, you can't name a single thing Bush could have or should have done to prevent the attacks that you would have supported.

Not.
One.
Thing.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 07:25 PM (Y7tfq)

56 Let's help Macswain out here:

"Mission accomplished"

"Chickenhawks"

"Bush lied, people died"

"Bush AWOL"

"Swift-boat"

I'm sure I've missed a few.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:26 PM (9vHOl)

57 Macswain,

Since you refuse to provide any evidence for you claims or answer any direction questions, I am going to go right to the ad hominem attacks....

Have you always been this fucking dense or was there some sort of head trauma that led you to be such an ignorant ass?


Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 07:29 PM (gNyUT)

58 We don't have people on stage raising their hands for stupid things ... like not believing in evolution.

Uh, there is no evidence for evolution of man as it didn't happen.

Feel free to prove me wrong.
Go ahead, please.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 07:29 PM (Y7tfq)

59 "Halliburton"

"Heckuva job, Brownie"

"Ken Lay"

"Enron"

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:31 PM (9vHOl)

60 Quiz:

Who received a PDB entitled " SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks"

Who indeed?

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:36 PM (9vHOl)

61 "Weeks or months, I doubt longer than that"

"The war will pay for itself"

"Saddam had ties to al Qaeda"

"Strategery"

"Newclear"

"Evil Doers"

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 07:36 PM (Y7tfq)

62 Oh, this is one they love to throw around:

"PNAC!!"

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 07:37 PM (Y7tfq)

63 "Cake Walk"

"Greeted as Liberators"

"WMD!"

"The War is Lost"

"I don't believe Petraus"
(sorry, I got confused with those last two)

Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 07:39 PM (gNyUT)

64 Oh, I forgot my favorite:

"Cabal of Neo-cons"


Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 07:39 PM (gNyUT)

65

Get to it.

Ah, no sweetie.

Your assertions.

Your homework.

 

 

 

and may I just add, on a personal note, thanks for the giggles.

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 04, 2007 07:40 PM (FXakj)

66 There, Macswain.  Hope you're feeling the AoSHQ love.

Because we're all about the love here.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:41 PM (9vHOl)

67 What an interesting story.

WASHINGTON, Aug. 16 - State Department analysts warned the Clinton administration in July 1996 that Osama bin Laden's move to Afghanistan would give him an even more dangerous haven as he sought to expand radical Islam "well beyond the Middle East," but the government chose not to deter the move, newly declassified documents show.

In what would prove a prescient warning, the State Department intelligence analysts said in a top-secret assessment on Mr. bin Laden that summer that "his prolonged stay in Afghanistan - where hundreds of 'Arab mujahedeen' receive terrorist training and key extremist leaders often congregate - could prove more dangerous to U.S. interests in the long run than his three-year liaison with Khartoum," in Sudan.

The declassified documents, obtained by the conservative legal advocacy group Judicial Watch as part of a Freedom of Information Act request and provided to The New York Times, shed light on a murky and controversial chapter in Mr. bin Laden's history: his relocation from Sudan to Afghanistan as the Clinton administration was striving to understand the threat he posed and explore ways of confronting him.

Before 1996, Mr. bin Laden was regarded more as a financier of terrorism than a mastermind. But the State Department assessment, which came a year before he publicly urged Muslims to attack the United States, indicated that officials suspected he was taking a more active role, including in the bombings in June 1996 that killed 19 members American soldiers at the Khobar Towers in Dhahran, Saudi Arabia.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:44 PM (9vHOl)

68 "I'm certain that if my husband and his national security team had been shown a classified report entitled 'Bin Laden Determined To Attack Inside the United States' he would have taken it more seriously than history suggests it was taken by our current president and his national security team."
Senator Hillary Clinton, 2006

SUBJECT: Bin Ladin Preparing to Hijack US Aircraft and Other Attacks 1.

Reporting [—] suggests Bin Ladin and his allies are preparing for attacks in the US, including an aircraft hijacking to obtain the release of Shaykh ‘Umar ‘Abd al-Rahman, Ramzi Yousef, and Muhammad Sadiq ‘Awda. One source quoted a senior member of the Gama’at al-Islamiyya (IG) saying that, as of late October, the IG had completed planning for an operation in the US on behalf of Bin Ladin, but that the operation was on hold. A senior Bin Ladin operative from Saudi Arabia was to visit IG counterparts in the US soon thereafter to discuss options—perhaps including an aircraft hijacking.
Presidential Daily Briefing, December 1998

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:46 PM (9vHOl)

69 Drew,

Speaking of evidence ... how's that list coming of all them millions of Dems who believe Bush knew in advance the time, place and manner of the 9/11 attacks?

Or are you willing to admit you nutters all read a lil too much into this poll?

As to answering your questions ... I looked upsteam for yours and could only find one that you asked ... "Are only Democrats difficult cunts?"  I thought you were being rhetorical and not literal.  But since you demand an answer ... I would suggest that, given you're writings and your views, you probably do have a lot of difficulty with cunts.  You might try to shower and come up with a plan for a night of romance that involves more than your usual 2 minute and 35 second visit to The Hun.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 07:46 PM (7QM4N)

70 Because we're all about the love here.

And the barbed cock of Satan. Don't forget that.

Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 07:48 PM (gNyUT)

71 Can a good liberal please explain to me how this mass psychosis is any different, or any better, than Hitler's "stabbed in the back" propaganda justifying the hatred (and then murder) of internal political enemies? Yeah. No one's murdering internal political enemies this time.

Ok?

Posted by: vaskeli at May 04, 2007 07:48 PM (ijVJV)

72
Speaking of evidence ... how's that list coming of all them millions of Dems who believe Bush knew in advance the time, place and manner of the 9/11 attacks?


Uh, didn't you say this?
the righties who believed Saddam was connected to the 9/11 attacks and the Iraq war was justified as retribution for his involvement.

How's that list coming, anyway?

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 07:49 PM (Y7tfq)

73 Drunk In Texas,

Seems the grammar thing isn't working out for you.  Where did I assert millions of Dems think Bush knew in advance of the time, place and manner of the 9/11 attacks?

Or are you on beer no. 11 about now?

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 07:50 PM (7QM4N)

74 Hey, let me correct this for you:

max maxswain lives in Camp C an alternate reality created by Michael Moore, Truthers and the msm --- anyone who disagrees with max maxswain is the enemy speaking truth to msm power.

Posted by: max at May 04, 2007 07:51 PM (HDGG5)

75 Osama bin Laden: Missed Opportunities

In 1993, the first World Trade Center bombing killed six people.

In 1998, the bombing of two U.S. embassies in Africa killed 224.

Both were the work of al-Qaida and bin Laden, who in 1998 declared holy war on America, making him arguably the most wanted man in the world.

In 1998, President Clinton announced, “We will use all the means at our disposal to bring those responsible to justice, no matter what or how long it takes.”

NBC News has obtained, exclusively, extraordinary secret video, shot by the U.S. government.  It illustrates an enormous opportunity the Clinton administration had to kill or capture bin Laden. Critics call it a missed opportunity.

Two terrorist attacks and a PDB "during Clinton's watch?"

Wait for it...

BUSH KNEW!

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:51 PM (9vHOl)

76 When did this Macswain turd turn up on this blog - I recall he used to skulk around RWS' place at one time.   A little less hysterical than the average moonbat, but really no smarter.

Posted by: holdfast at May 04, 2007 07:52 PM (Gzb30)

77 Uh Jay ... just click above on the link with your name.

65% of righties are apparently Saddam/9/11 nutters.  OUCH!!!

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 07:52 PM (7QM4N)

78 I told you Macswain I am not asking questions but you aren't engaging guys like Jay and Slu who are providing all sorts of links and asking all sorts of questions that you are ignoring. They've got that covered, I am going to stick to the insults. It's a simple division of labor.

You're the one who is saying Bush did have warnings of some sort, thanks to that terribly insightful PDB and the briefing that Rice got.  You're the one who defended these fools, not on the grounds that don't exist but that they were answer a whole different question. Now you are saying they don't exist and you want me to provide a list of names.

Move the goal posts much, do ya?

Typical fucking troll.


Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 07:52 PM (gNyUT)

79

Golly.  Ad hominem instead of dealing with the subject?

 

I'm shocked Macswain.  You were always so reasonable when you were picking on the blonde girl making your case.

You stud you.  Did you look up that whole "article" thing?  Or did you want to make the argument for an army of morons?

 

Go man!

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 04, 2007 07:54 PM (FXakj)

80 Hey, let me correct this for you:

max maxcswain lives in Camp C an alternate reality created by Michael Moore, Truthers and the msm --- anyone who disagrees with max maxcswain is the enemy speaking truth to msm power

Posted by: max at May 04, 2007 07:57 PM (HDGG5)

81 February 26, 1993 - a car full of explosives detonated in the basement of the World Trade Center.

Clinton's reaction.

He asked us "not to overreact," then went back to the all-important issue of gays in the military.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 07:59 PM (9vHOl)

82 holdfast,

I came over because I get a kick putting the wood to 5 or 6 nutters at a time.  Like Drew said, you need a division of labor to take on me.

You can take  Drunk's place ... he's obviously at "one too many."

And I'm still waiting for the names of all those Dems popping off conspiracy theories about Bush looking the other way despite specific knowledge of the time, place and manner of the 9/11 attacks.

That's the original topic ... you gotta have something more than a goofy poll question easily the subject of different understandings.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 08:02 PM (7QM4N)

83 I came over because I get a kick putting the wood to 5 or 6 nutters at a time.  Like Drew said, you need a division of labor to take on me.

Chris...Chris Klein?

Troll's got confidence, I'll give him that.

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 08:04 PM (9vHOl)

84 65% of righties are apparently Saddam/9/11 nutters.

Uh, stupid:
And I'm still waiting for the names of all those Dems popping off conspiracy theories about Bush looking the other way despite specific knowledge of the time, place and manner of the 9/11 attacks.

Yes, you're not bright enough to realize what a moron this makes you.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 08:04 PM (Y7tfq)

85 I came over because I get a kick putting the wood to 5 or 6 nutters at a time. Like Drew said, you need a division of labor to take on me.

Let's see:
False statements: check
Incoherence: check
Circular logic: check
Ignore facts that don't fit the worldview: double check

Yeah, you're really "putting the wood" (nice homoerotic reference by the way) clown.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 08:06 PM (Y7tfq)

86 Slu,

Yeah, Clinton did nothing on the 1993 attack just weeks into his term of office that killed 6 (I believe).

He just put all those involved in prison forever.  Just like Bush did for the Anthrax terrorist who killed 5?

Wait a second ... Bush has caught the Anthrax Killer(s) hasn't he?

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 08:06 PM (7QM4N)

87 Yes, he put them in prison.

That's the problem, isn't it?

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 08:07 PM (9vHOl)

88 And I'm still waiting for the names of all those Dems

And I'm still waiting for all these names:
65% of righties are apparently Saddam/9/11 nutters.

Go ahead, dupe.
Please provide them.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 08:07 PM (Y7tfq)

89 Jay,

I'm really not surprised that you would read that as homoerotic.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 08:08 PM (7QM4N)

90 ou gotta have something more than a goofy poll question easily the subject of different understandings.

Isn't it funny "the nutters" didn't have much difficulty with it, but you do?

65% of righties are apparently Saddam/9/11 nutters.

That's because the poll questions were goofy, don't you see.

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 08:09 PM (Y7tfq)

91 Like Drew said, you need a division of labor to take on me.

Eh, not so much grasshopper. Not need, I just don't want to be bothered fact checking a jackass like you. Especially when we have such quality troll bashers as Jay and Slu on it.

It's Friday, the Rangers' game is on, I am simply going to call you names. More fun, less work.


Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 08:10 PM (gNyUT)

92 Dick Cheney

Richard Perle

Laurie Mylroie, etc.

Posted by: Macswain at May 04, 2007 08:10 PM (7QM4N)

93 Wait a second ... Bush has caught the Anthrax Killer(s) hasn't he?

First evolution, now the anthrax killers.

You do love changing the subject, don't you?

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 08:10 PM (9vHOl)

94 I'm really not surprised that you would read that as homoerotic.

Considering you're gay, how else should I read it?

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 08:11 PM (Y7tfq)

95

*snigger*

you go boy!

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 04, 2007 10:05 PM (FXakj)

96 Dick Cheney

Richard Perle

Laurie Mylroie,

Who are three people who have never been in my kitchen?

Posted by: Drew at May 04, 2007 10:08 PM (gNyUT)

97 Dick Cheney

Richard Perle

Laurie Mylroie

Who are three people that make Macswain crap his drawers?

Posted by: Slublog at May 04, 2007 10:17 PM (9vHOl)

98

Dick Cheney

Richard Perle

Laurie Mylroie,

 

 

American Idol?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at May 04, 2007 10:25 PM (FXakj)

99 Dick Cheney

Richard Perle

Laurie Mylroie,


Sure sounds like 65% of all "righties" in America to me!

Posted by: Jay at May 04, 2007 10:51 PM (Y7tfq)

100 can't name a single thing Bush could have or should have done to prevent the attacks that you would have supported.

Piffle.  Bush could have declared Islam the national religion and nuked Israel into a glowing parking lot.  The lefties would be having multi-culti mass orgasms over that.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 04, 2007 11:40 PM (6UoPI)

101 McSwain, why are fucking leftist morons always looking for hidden subtext in plainly worded sentences?  Are you all secretly Strausians?

Or Clintons?

I guess it all depends what the meaning of "The" is.


Even a 6th grader can tree-diagram parse this correctly:

Did Bush Know About the 9/11 Attacks in Advance?

Did-A interrogative word, requiring a affirmative or negative response.

Bush-As in George W Bush, President of the United States

Know-to have knowledge or information

About-in reference to

The 9/11 attacks-not attacks in general, not CIA eavesdropping on unspecified attacks, a specific DAY OF ATTACK, occurring on the 11th month of September (hopefully the polling audience is aware of the correct year, but you never know)

In Advance-Bush had precognative knowledge that an attack was specifically planned for THE SPECIFIC DATE of 9/11, that is, the 11th day of September of 2001.

Now, how else do you read this question? And what kind of fucking mushrooms are you consuming?

Posted by: cheshirecat at May 04, 2007 11:44 PM (wvw60)

102 Now, how else do you read this question? And what kind of fucking mushrooms are you consuming?

Because you need to get a new dealer, McNugget.

Posted by: cheshirecat at May 04, 2007 11:46 PM (wvw60)

103 Ok ok ok -- I call *bullshiite* on these polls.

They're sounding more and more like something concoted in the back room of Howeird Dean's mom's basement.

...or at a KGB sub-station deep under the rapidly deteriorating Arctic ice sheet. hmm....

Posted by: Claire at May 05, 2007 01:07 AM (l1oyw)

104

If reality is too scary, make up a new reality.

Crazy people have been doing this for a long time. The Dems are just takin' it mainstream.

Layers, and all that...

Posted by: Barry in CO at May 05, 2007 02:11 AM (KOkrW)

105 Where is this McSwain person?  I need to sentence them?

Posted by: Judge Dred at May 05, 2007 07:29 AM (6UoPI)

106

Sure, he had seen the August 2006 PDB warning of such an attack.  It's really simple to understand UNLESS you're trying to fit the answer in with a presupposed notion of the intent of Democrats. -- MacSwain

Did Bush know in advance about the 9/11 attack?  Sure, he had seen the August 2006 PDB warning of such an attack. -- MacSwain

A minor point I know, but you are citing a report that would have come out almost 5 years after THE 9/11 Attacks.

MacSwain you just provided a perhaps unintentional DUH? moment, I'd call you an idiot but I'm sure idiots don't want to be associated with you either.  So I'll call you a hemorrhoid that no amount of Preparation H could lessen the discomfort you bring to others with your stray hair assholery.

Posted by: cranky at May 05, 2007 10:29 AM (Xj2Ev)

107 This is what comes of letting Dean, Kos, and those other Leftards drive the Democrat Party bus. I hope the DSemocrats go down in flames in '08 for adopting all the extreme Truther crap just to score cheap political points off Dubya. Geez, have the DOnks even HAD a foreign policy for the past 6.5 years? I thought it was mindless knee-jerk opposition to whatever Chimpy McBushitler had going on a daily basis.

Posted by: exdem13 at May 05, 2007 11:40 AM (I4jEf)

108

Sure, he had seen the August 2006 PDB warning of such an attack.  It's really simple to understand UNLESS you're trying to fit the answer in with a presupposed notion of the intent of Democrats. -- MacSwain

Did Bush know in advance about the 9/11 attack?  Sure, he had seen the August 2006 PDB warning of such an attack. -- MacSwain

Time to do some more grammer parseing for our latest moron know-it-all.

'The' is a definite article.

A definite article (English the) is used before singular and plural nouns that refer to a particular member of a group.

'A' and 'An' are indefinite articles.

An indefinite article (English a, an) is used before singular nouns that refer to any member of a group.

Therefor, to assert, as macmoron has done, that a warning of such "an attack" equals knowing about "the 9/11 attack" is to pretend that one of the most basic rules of grammatical construction doesn't exist.

But then, macmoron, like the left in general, is always twisting/altering/lying about reality to try to make it fit their hate-filled preconceptions.

Posted by: max at May 05, 2007 11:50 AM (HDGG5)

109

Speaking of evidence ... how's that list coming of all them millions of Dems who believe Bush knew in advance the time, place and manner of the 9/11 attacks?

Uh, we're talking about the poll which pretty much does that, retard.  Did you get distracted by something shiny and lose your train of thought?  Or is the burden on us to now provide 27 polls which corroborate this one so you don't have to deal with the uncomfortable embarrassment of belonging to a mentally bankrupt cult of loons?

Of course, the alternative explanation for the poll results (one that makes sense, not the laughable self-serving horseshit you're shoveling here) is that Democrats are too stupid to comprehend direct, unambiguous questions.

So at least you've got an out.

Posted by: seattle booooo at May 05, 2007 11:57 AM (HaFcU)

110

Forgot to include the link to wikipedia which provides the definitions I cited above:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Article_%28grammar%29

Posted by: max at May 05, 2007 12:53 PM (HDGG5)

111

If W had bothered to listen to the Remote Viewers who clearly had visions of impending terrorist attacks instead of Halliburton, who were encouraging increased airline traffic to disperse fluoridated chemtrails, he could have easily identified the Zionist markings on the remote-control aircraft flying into a Hollywood-designed set in the remote Nevada desert. 

(see, this is kind of like MadLibs--emphasis on Mad). 

West of the Rockies, go ahead. 

 

Posted by: Art Bell at May 05, 2007 10:03 PM (O28xr)

112

max, I cited Wikipedia for a weekly assignment in a grad economics class, and the professor threatened to give me an F for the entire term. 

OK, lets play MadLibs:

name a(n):

1.  AIRPORT

2.  ANOTHER WORD FOR "JEWS"

3.  TYPE OF AIRCRAFT

4.  ACTION VERB

5.  ACTION VERB ASSOCIATED WITH GEORGE W. BUSH

6.  WEAPON

7.  TYPE OF GAME

8.  BRAND OF CONDOM

9.  ADJECTIVE

10.  OBSCENITY

11.  FAMOUS HOMOSEXUAL

12.  CENTRAL ASIAN COUNTRY

13.  ADVERB

14.  RELIGION.

 

OK, go ahead!       

Posted by: IlliniGuy at May 05, 2007 10:09 PM (O28xr)

113 Why is this even an issue?

OF COURSE Bush knew about the impending attacks. There was a memo about it on August 6, 2001.

Why are we even debating this?

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