Barney Frank Accuses Bush Of Deliberate "Ethnic Cleansing" In New Orleans

Not to get into semantics with Bryan, but I don't think ethnic cleansing is the same as genocide. Ethnic cleansing is the removal of a population by means which may include mass slaughter; genocide is the deliberate mass slaughter of a racial group to eliminate it from the earth.

Still, he definitely did say "ethnic cleansing." And Bryan's quite right; if Barney Frank believes this, he really ought to commit the Democratic Party to this proposition and begin an impeachment proceding.

But of course he doesn't. He was just engaging in that "smart, tough" talk that gives the left vaginal orgasms.

Posted by: Ace at 02:47 PM



Comments

1 The mayor counted every corpse. Each corpse was worth about a million, which was stolen without a vote under emergency powers. 80 million, just like Iraq.

New Orleans just may be corrupt?

Posted by: Oul at January 05, 2007 02:51 PM (LdD6+)

2 I wonder what possible interest Mr. Fag---ah, I mean "Frank" could have in vaginal orgasams???

Posted by: TheManTheMyth at January 05, 2007 02:52 PM (Gvo/q)

3 "Vaginal orgasms? How gross."

Sincerely,

Barney (with lisp)

Posted by: nikkolai at January 05, 2007 02:53 PM (DyDYq)

4 IIRC, the U.N. determined that ethnic cleansing was going on in Darfur, which meant they didn't have to actually do anything, whereas a finding of genocide would've.
The onlything I can figure is that ethnic cleansing is bad, but not a crime. Or something.
I mean, aside from the obvious and complete lack of feck.

Posted by: Some Guy at January 05, 2007 02:55 PM (lPxkl)

5
The Donks have no qualms about distorting th truth about the Katrina disaster in NOLA and the cluster f**k that followed. It was all the Chocolate Mayor and Governor Blanco's fault, but they like to shift the blame onto Bush.

Nuances

Posted by: Mr Minority at January 05, 2007 03:07 PM (W9sky)

6 Kman -

But there's a difference between questioning the sources within an accurate media account ("accurate" in this sense that it truthfully reports what Hussein said), and creating huge conspiracy theories that an entire media organization simply created an event on its own volition in order to make Bush look bad. That latter is simply paranoia.

Will Kman come over here and please tell us there is a difference between questioning the effectiveness of Bush's relief program, and creating a huge conspiracy theory that an entire government department purposefully took inadequate action in order to commit a racially motivated act of mass murder, and the latter is paranoia?

I'm just wondering if he's consistent. He's quick to look for paranoia and conspiracy theories in right wing pundits, I'm wondering if he's as bright at catching it when it's even more obviously demonstrated by popularly elected esteemed and high-ranking members of his political party.

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2007 03:08 PM (m6c4H)

7 I've used ethnic cleansers meself--Irish Spring.

Posted by: Dan Collins at January 05, 2007 03:10 PM (Ouds1)

8 Manly yes, but Dan likes it too. ;-)

Posted by: Toby the feckful at January 05, 2007 03:12 PM (ATbKm)

9
I declare all Donks and Leftards are an ethic group.

Let the cleansing begin!!

Posted by: Mr Minority at January 05, 2007 03:17 PM (W9sky)

10 Ethnic cleansing is not genocide. That's a bit of hyperventilating hysterics. I think Bryan, much as I like his writing, needs to cut back on the outrage-juice.

Posted by: hobgoblin at January 05, 2007 03:18 PM (p1s9n)

11 Well well well, looky what the cat dragged in.

Dan the man Collins is here.

What brings you by this side of the tracks, Dan?

Posted by: Bart at January 05, 2007 03:19 PM (/6Knw)

12 My heinamackafrau is from Ecuador. Does that count?

Posted by: wiserbud at January 05, 2007 03:20 PM (AQGeh)

13 cut back on the outrage-juice.

Why? The left has validated faux-outrage as a political tool.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 05, 2007 03:25 PM (clafO)

14 Barney just wants to ride the Hershey Hiighway all the way down to Chocolate Town for some Cleansing of his own.

He knows what Brown can do for him.

Posted by: Joe Mama at January 05, 2007 03:29 PM (rexis)

15 And just like everything else our dear President has done lately, he fucked this up too. NOLA is still standing and evacuees have turned every place they were moved to into a replica of what they left behind. Wow. Here's hoping NOLA gets hit again and this time George finishes the job. He really is amazing.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at January 05, 2007 03:29 PM (tN0oi)

16 Barney has taken more balls on the chin than me.

Posted by: Yogi Berra at January 05, 2007 03:31 PM (rexis)

17 That's exactly why, PA. That's exactly why.

It's just as tiresome from our side.

Now, outrage over the amnesty to the drug smuggler? Sure. Or the physical attack on American soldiers IN AMERICA!?!?! You betcha.

But getting all hepped uip about Barney Fa-er-rank's rhetoric?

Waste. Of. Time.

Never even register on anyone's meter.

Posted by: hobgoblin at January 05, 2007 03:31 PM (p1s9n)

18 Well, howdy, Bart.
Jeff's started posting again, so I don't have to haunt PW so much, thanks for asking.

Posted by: Dan Collins at January 05, 2007 03:35 PM (Ouds1)

19 Please, God give us more of Barney, the fag, not the TV character.
Let him speak the truth EVERYDAY on TV.
It's only been one day and they are helping us so much.
Thank you God and remember to look after all our wing bat friends. Keep them on TV and if you could see it in your heart, let Rep. Connors start impeachment hearings tommorrow.
GodBlessBarney and his sore fat ass.
Doing the work for the little people.
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at January 05, 2007 03:37 PM (qvT/A)

20 I was going to say something like "Ethnic cleansing? There ain't nothing clean in New Orleans." But then I read the front page on the local paper: My city has had 12 murders in four days. At this rate, murder will kill more people this year than Katrina did.

Some of the victims were drug-dealers. While this does not justify their murders, their deaths can be described as part of the cost of doing business.

The most recent death, however, got to me. Yesterday morning, police (responding to gunshots) found a man cluthing his two year-old son in the doorway of his house. He had survived the shooting, but his wife hadn't.

He was a doctor (who had a family practice and served primarily low-income patients), and she was an animator. Both were community activists and most likely were ardent progressives--who actually practiced their beliefs.

It's funny that the police chief blames the spike in crime to the return of more people to New Orleans, when Barney Frank complains about the so-called ethnic cleansing of New Orleans that occurred over a year ago.

Frankly, I've never felt safer than when federal troops basically occupied the city. (I must admit though that seeing men with M-16s guarding the elevators in the only open hospital when I took my wife there for the birth of our child did disconcert me.)

I've lived in New Orleans all my life, and I've never considered fleeing. But the crime now reminds me of the crime in the late 80s and early 90s. I know more people who have left the city b/c of the crime than have left for any other reason (except maybe for greater economic opportunity elsewhere).

Barney Frank is a total ass. There really is a slaughter going on here, hidden in plain sight by crime statistics. But Barney Frank would rather criticize Bush for a natural disaster (the effect of which was amplified greatly by incompetence, misfeasance and malfeasance).

Perhaps Allahpundit should ask Rep. Frank "is it ethnic cleansing when everyone who can flee a city because of crime does?"

Posted by: rxwhite at January 05, 2007 03:45 PM (I/h9P)

21 MSgt. Theresa:

It's one thing to point out the problems that displaced New Orleanians brought with them, esp. to Houston. It's another thing to "hop[e] NOLA gets hit again." You need not have any sympathy for me, but you shouldn't wish me further ill. Such a sentiment is disgraceful.

Posted by: rxwhite at January 05, 2007 03:52 PM (I/h9P)

22 And another Katrina victim, Congressman William Jefferson (D-Cash in the freezer) gets a standing ovation from his peers. http://www.cnn.com/POLITICS/blogs/politicalticker/2007/01/congressional-black-caucus-gives.html

Posted by: Old Coot at January 05, 2007 04:07 PM (voO++)

23 Go Barney!!! Most of the idiots out here don't know the difference between genocide and ethnic cleansing. Keep speaking the truth Mr Frank

Posted by: lester at January 05, 2007 04:10 PM (2Ih9N)

24 rxwhite, what IS a disgrace is that my tax dollars are being given to outright thugs. That all I heard about after the storm was NOLA, as if no other part of the Gulf coast was hit. That all the money ever earmarked for upgrades on the dikes mysteriously disappeared. BUT the biggest disgrace is that NOLA reelected the fucking criminal who IS to blame. I stand by what I said.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at January 05, 2007 04:18 PM (tN0oi)

25 Gentlemen:
For the next two years, the Democrats are going to make all sorts of outrageous, false, and malicious comments about Republicans in general and the President in particular.
The MSM will not hold them to account.
Let me repeat that:
The MSM will not hold them to account.
Get used to it, and save yourself some ulcers and migraines.

Posted by: Barry at January 05, 2007 04:24 PM (QrzWy)

26 You're right about the media ignoring the damage to the Gulf Coast. There's parts along Highway 90 that are still absolutely desolate.

Disappearance of the money for the levees? That's a new one on me. Who stole it? Someone from the Corps of Engineers, who had a primary responsiblity for the levees? The Corps would be responsible for any upgrades. Any money stolen for upgrades would be under its watch.

And about whom are you referring to as the criminal? Rep. Jefferson? Was he responsbile for the entire affair? Nagin? Did either of these men design faulty levees?

Your criticisms about the area's elected officials are valid. It reflects poorly on us.

What disappoints me the most in this entire exchange is that you stand by your wish that another hurricane destroy New Orleans, which would kill many of your fellow Americans--the good, the bad, and the indifferent.

If that happens, will you be there afterwards pouring salt on the ground?

Posted by: rxwhite at January 05, 2007 04:38 PM (I/h9P)

27 Barry,
Those days are over, they can run, but they can not hide. MSM loves to pile on to anything, and they'll have their hands full.
Don't be so down, let the music begin. Every cloud has silver, blah blah.
All we need is to find someone with some BALLS to call them out?
Poll? Who do the Aof S readers thing will ride forward and call the wing bats out?
Kemp

Posted by: kempermanx at January 05, 2007 04:42 PM (Wc54u)

28 c'mon rx, you expect reasoned discourse on a thread devoted to the drumming up of false outrage?

Puh-lease, nizzle.

I remember reading the dispatches from NO during the aftermath---the network guy who was a former soldier. Of course there's good people in NO. You're missing the outrage factor that Theresa is going for. Logic and appeals to common decency are worthless here.

Posted by: hobgoblin at January 05, 2007 04:44 PM (p1s9n)

29 rxwhite, what IS a disgrace is that my tax dollars are being given to outright thugs. That all I heard about after the storm was NOLA, as if no other part of the Gulf coast was hit. That all the money ever earmarked for upgrades on the dikes mysteriously disappeared. BUT the biggest disgrace is that NOLA reelected the fucking criminal who IS to blame. I stand by what I said.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF

My first thought was disgust that this poster served in my military. To want an American city to be 'hit again' really helps me understand why we are getting our asses kicked in Chimpy's vanity war. Ma'am, if soldiers with your immature and reckless attitude are representing the US in Iraq, it is clear all is lost. Robots with weapons, what a hoot! Anyway, If the $$$ was gone, it is a FEDERAL matter - you know Mr. Bush's department. Please don't cash any more pension checks - you don't deserve them.

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 04:57 PM (2/n6+)

30 One wonders just how many black people live in Barney's neighborhood. And how he'd react if any tried to move in.

Posted by: Trimegistus at January 05, 2007 05:01 PM (dMwps)

31 I guess what pissed me off was seeing a retired member of the USAF seeming to have the same opinion as the jihadis about Private Katrina.

(No, Theresa--I don't think you support the jihadis, and I suspect that you wouldn't pour salt on the ground if the city ever is wiped off the map, but that was the cause of my outrage.)

And I see my comments have somehow brought Iraq into this discussion, so I'll shut up now and count the minutes until I can cure this thing called sobriety.

Posted by: rxwhite at January 05, 2007 05:04 PM (I/h9P)

32 rxwhite, the Army Corp of Engineers had to work in conjunction with city planners as well as racist ray to do any work on those dikes. And more on point, since millions of dollars have already been spent on the rebuild of NOLA, why isn't it? Areas which received a lot less have made more progress. Do you suppose your esteemed elected officials had a hand in how that money has been allocated? This means of course, COLD hard cash going into the pockets of those NOT affected. Like jefferson and racist ray. And if salting the area would mean it could go back to its pre-fwench days, hell yes I would salt it. Turn it into a nature reserve. Although it would take a millennium to clean the area of all the shit which has accumulated over the years. You miss the entire point of course. The people who stayed and the city officials who failed to adequately plan for this event are passing the buck onto the President and blaming him for their self inflicted misery. See, according to them, President Bush has a hurricane making machine and he purposely dialed up a CAT 5 and sent it to hit NOLA. That is the mentality of franks, jefferson, racist ray, and all the other race baiters in this country who make a FINE living off of other peoples stupidity. I have not one iota of sympathy for any AMERICAN who is so damn dependent on the government, they are incapable of protecting their families themselves. Did you see the picture of the buses underwater? Those self same busses racist ray was suppose to deploy to help those who were bedridden or didnt have transportation, or where in some other way incapacitated to move them away from the danger. He didnt. Instead racist ray sent his family to Dallas and ensured his property was protected from vandals by the city cops. jefferson, with military escort, got back into his house to make sure his stash in the freezer was still there and that the military was guarding his house. Damn, you fuckers deserve your misery just for electing the two of them. The city plan for evacuation wasnt even implemented by a fraction. Heres a fucking clue for you. If you live in a city which is below sea-level and in a hurricane prone area, you might just want to have a plan to get the fuck out of the way when your advised to do so. Either that or move inland so you dont have to worry about it.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at January 05, 2007 05:05 PM (tN0oi)

33 "... engaging in that "smart, tough" talk that gives the left vaginal orgasms."

Good one, really nuanced. The left should like it.

Posted by: Jim at January 05, 2007 05:16 PM (5+Lpx)

34 So Tom, in your opinion since I did serve I'm not entitled to be outraged at the total lack of self-reliance and responsibility shown by the victims in NOLA? I cant be angry that tax dollars are being used not to help the victims but to line the pockets of the corrupt and ineffective leadership of not only the city of NOLA but the state of Louisiana. Which the people of LA/NOLA just reelected, not because they are competent, but because of race. That tax dollars are being used by victims to go to titty bars and on cruises instead of putting their lives back in order. That President Bush is solely held accountable by the left for the disaster of Katrina is mind-boggling, but so typical from people who think the government is responsible for them. And just so you know, when I get my "pension" check the first of every month from now until I die, I'll be thinking of you asshole and smiling all the way to the fucking bank.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at January 05, 2007 05:24 PM (tN0oi)

35 Theresa:

My point, which I cannot seem to make clear, is that Americans shouldn't wish ill upon each other; I probably agree with you on every other point.

I've already admitted to you that our elected officials are incompetent and/or corrupt; I've been trying to get rid of them for years. I'll also agree that many people blame Bush when he had little or no fault for what happened. (Except for maybe trusting the competence of Blanco and Nagin when he should have federalized the situation immediately.)

I'll be the first to agree with you that the evacuation was a cluster.

Minor quibble: The Corps did not work with "city planners." The Corps designed the levees and maintained the levees, while individual levees boards inspected the levees. Everything I've read indicates that the Corps did not properly design the levees; it also inadequately supervised the levees' construction.

If the levees had been designed properly, Katrina would have been just like Camille--minor flooding in New Orleans but devastation along the Gulf Coast.

I'm not trying to defend the elected officials. I'm not trying to defend the bureaucrats. I'm not trying to defend the people who stayed behind.

Posted by: rxwhite at January 05, 2007 05:27 PM (I/h9P)

36 Damn, you fuckers deserve your misery just for electing the two of them. The city plan for evacuation wasnt even implemented by a fraction. Heres a fucking clue for you. If you live in a city which is below sea-level and in a hurricane prone area, you might just want to have a plan to get the fuck out of the way when your advised to do so. Either that or move inland so you dont have to worry about it.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF

From your language, I would assume you are a christian, no? Nice words from a lady? Quick question for you: Do you have elderly parents? Are they very mobile? Do they have access to transportation and housing in a new area? Maybe they have belongings which they would want to take along - clothes for instance. Is there room at the inn for all that stuff? Some folks in NOLA COULDN'T leave. They COULDN'T leave. Is it not the function of government to assist those Americans? Maybe instead of sucking off Sargent Majors, you should have earned some of your pension by helping these fellow citizens.They needed your help. Where were you? Now you bitch and moan that they didn't leave. What nonsense. You live in a pension world (paid for by me). You don't live in the 'real' world. You shop at the commissary (at discount), your health insurance is prabably in good shape (again paid for by me). I mean it goes on and on. Ma'am some folks don't feed at the government trough as you do. Some folks have to pay their way. Some folks didn't have the 'republican' life you have lead. Some folks are loyal, patriotic Americans who have had bad luck, health issues, job loss, family emergencies - you know, all those things which happen to people in 'real life'. Geez, has Mr Bush's bubble found its way to your life also. Please tell me you are the only uniformed robot who thinks las you do.

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 05:29 PM (2/n6+)

37 That's exactly why, PA. That's exactly why.

Can't play the game with one hand tied behind your back. You gotta be willing to use all the tools available and adjust when the enemy changes the rules on you.

There is no more real outrage anymore. The left killed it, and the public is so numb it wouldn't know it if it walked up and smacked'em in the head with a 2X4.

All that is left is theater, and those who can act most convincingly will be the winners.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 05, 2007 05:31 PM (clafO)

38 And just so you know, when I get my "pension" check the first of every month from now until I die, I'll be thinking of you asshole and smiling all the way to the fucking bank.

Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF

Hope you choke on it. You really make your fellow Americans proud. I thought soldiers were an honorable group. I was wrong.

Posted by: at January 05, 2007 05:33 PM (2/n6+)

39 Oh, here come the pansies.

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2007 05:40 PM (m6c4H)

40 Oh, here come the pansies.

Nope. Sargent Theresa York is already here. Wearing boxer shorts no doubt.

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 05:43 PM (2/n6+)

41 Hah! So clever!

The turnaround! "I know you are but what am I?"

How do you come up with this? It's a fricken gold mine! Do you write jokes for Pauly Shore?

I am truly impressed.

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2007 05:46 PM (m6c4H)

42 Wearing boxer shorts no doubt.

Just cause she needs more room in the shorts than you do is no reason to get snippy.

Posted by: Toby928 at January 05, 2007 05:46 PM (ATbKm)

43 Do you write jokes for Pauly Shore?

I am truly impressed.

Nope I write jokes for the republican leadership. Those joles aren't funny either.

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 05:52 PM (2/n6+)

44 The Sgt. in boxers is a lot better than Tom in his thong. You prick.

Posted by: roc ingersol

Yeah, Entropy don't call Sgt York a prick.

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 05:54 PM (2/n6+)

45 Ahhh! You did it again!
You took what I said, and then you turned it around somehow so it made me look foolish! It's very crafty, it's almost like you are rubber and I am glue and whatever I say seems to stick to me after bouncing off you! I don't know how you do that!
I must write these lines down before I forget them. Genius!

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2007 05:55 PM (m6c4H)

46 Tom, you are too damn funny. But hey, if it wasn't for the eternal "victim" class in this country, who would vote democrat right? Please remember that members of the US Military also pay taxes and have EARNED every damn "privilege" they get. Unlike those who CHOSE to squander their lives making one bad decision after another and then expect the government to take care of them. The prisons are filled with them. Have a great weekend Tom. I'll have a drink on you, made with booze Ill have bought at the Class IV on base. Ah yes, so nice to be independently wealthy after only having served 21 years in a job which, according to you Tom, means absolutely nothing. Ill be sure to pass on your respect to my nephew, who is currently in Iraq getting his ass kicked for ChimpyMcHitlers vanity war.

Posted by: Theresa, MSgt (ret), USAF at January 05, 2007 05:56 PM (tN0oi)

47 I always laugh at their joles.

Posted by: Toby928 at January 05, 2007 05:58 PM (ATbKm)

48 Tom,
Go easy on me I am just an amateur but I learned a new one and I wanted to try it out on you, you tell me what you think. You seem to be right at the right level of sophistication to appreciate it's nuance.
Your motheris so unfortunately overweight, when she sits around at home, she sits all around the home she's sitting in!

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2007 06:00 PM (m6c4H)

49 You really make your fellow Americans proud.

Yes, she does.

We don't train our fighting forces to be smarmy little wimps, like you.

The only way I could be more proud of the MSgt is if she was a Marine.

Posted by: mesablue at January 05, 2007 06:11 PM (DzeyU)

50 Tom, even if you are correct in saying it's the governments fault due to lack of doing their duty.....was Bush supposed to drive the buses himself? Because if not, then I wish the left would stop acting as hif the ultimate culpability lies on him. If that's the case, then maybe we should walk over and kick your mom in the uterus.

Posted by: Pixelflash at January 05, 2007 06:12 PM (O+1/6)

51 Tom, even if you are correct in saying it's the governments fault due to lack of doing their duty.....was Bush supposed to drive the buses himself?

Mr Bush employs the largest workforce on the planet. No silly, I wouldn't expect our dry drunk to drive anything anywhere. BTW, You and I DID pay for busses (which were left idle). You and I paid for cruise ships (which were left half full - we paid full price). You and I paid for tons of ice (which melted on the trucks). You and I paid for lots of things the administration felt the citizens of NOLA needed, but lots of help did not arrive. One of our cities was hugely impacted by a natural disaster, and what I hear is that the damage wasn't bad eneough. That doesn't sound like one American taking care of another. I also noted nobody responded to my questions as to what the elderly and sick were supposed to do. How were they supposed to leave? Anybody? Bueller?

To Sgt York, I am sorry your nephew didn't make the most of his educational opportunities. He could have made something of himself if he would have put more into the effort. Now he is stuck in a very bad place and I do wish him the best. I hope he comes home safe and sound. The stingy and greedy attitude you show is a reason why the military is not considered a honorable profession any longer. In the past, folks would join the ranks as a service to themselves - but also to the country. Now it seems folks who are frightened of free will and choices join the ranks to get their pay and job security. It almost has turned into the largest welfare system in history. I am fortunate I was able to make the most of my access to education. That provided me with choices. Choices to go wrong or choices to go right - but they were my choices. But I guess after 20+ years being told what to do, what to wear, what to say, how to say it, where to live, what to think, who to shoot, who to salute, what to eat, and where to go have taken the concept of free will away from you. No problem. You wealthy? No Ma'am, it doesn't work that way.

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 06:42 PM (2/n6+)

52 a reason why the military is not considered a honorable profession any longer.

Was it ever honorable among your kind Tom?

Posted by: Toby928 at January 05, 2007 06:46 PM (ATbKm)

53 I think we all know where tom stands now. There are certain phrase that reveal the DU's among us and dry drunk is a prime one. A meaningless but ominous phrase popular at that cesspit and no where else.

Be gone foul freeloader. You have stayed to long for anyone's good.

Tob

Posted by: Toby928 at January 05, 2007 06:50 PM (ATbKm)

54 Not a week goes by that the right side of the blogosphere doesn't go apoplectic over another 'if a REPUBLICAN' had said that, the MSM would...' episode.
I mean, don't you all get tired of hitting your heads against that particular brick wall?
It's never gonna change.
On the other hand, these Democrats are gonna fuck things up SO BAD over the next 2 years, go so over the top, that it should be fun to watch. But if any of you are waiting for the MSM to hold the Dems' feet to the fire, forget it. You're wasting your time.

Posted by: Barry at January 05, 2007 07:09 PM (kKjaJ)

55 a reason why the military is not considered a honorable profession any longer.

Was it ever honorable among your kind Tom?

Yes it was. Military service was very honorable before it became a government work program. Now it has turned into a bloated and lazy jobs program for those who don't want to try their luck in the marketplace of business. Past soldiers brought much credit upon themselves through the sacrifice and tireless service to others. Sgt York does not bring credit upon herself or the service in which she served IMHO.

BTW roc ingersol, my trucking company GAVE AWAY three flatbed trucks to the Army Corp of Engineers to move supplies to a wrecked part of the city. They wanted to give them back to me, but I was happy to do my little part (at $36,500.00 a piece). How's that for an effort?

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 07:35 PM (2/n6+)

56 And with his barbarous little pen he shall enviously attack the virtues he lacks, and for perhaps a fleeting moment experience a spurious sense of manhood.

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2007 07:39 PM (Uh5fR)

57 Mr Bush employs the largest workforce on the planet.

Are you sure about that?

I suspect Hu Jintao would disagree.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 05, 2007 07:58 PM (clafO)

58 Mr Bush employs the largest workforce on the planet.

Are you sure about that?

I suspect Hu Jintao would disagree.

Posted by: Purple Avenger

According to the latest report by Industrial International, by including the active and retired military, civil service, national guard, local-state-federal agencies and government operated entities and foundations - basically everybody who receives a US or state/county/city/ check - amounts to the largest headcount of any organization on earth. I believe the number was 6+ million persons. I do not know the headcount at Hu Jintao. Maybe they are larger (kinda doubt it), but still it appears the US had plenty of help available to it. Why the help did not do very much is a mystery.

and for Pixelflash, my Mom is a third degree black belt in Kenpo Karate. After you regained conscienceness, I could drive you to the hospital.

Posted by: Tom at January 05, 2007 08:19 PM (2/n6+)

59 my Mom is a third degree black belt in Kenpo Karate.
No wonder she raised such a dickless son.
Did you have a daddy?

Posted by: Entropy at January 05, 2007 08:32 PM (Uh5fR)

60 my Mom is a third degree black belt in Rum Cake.

Posted by: Barry at January 05, 2007 08:53 PM (kKjaJ)

61
BTW roc ingersol, my trucking company

Comedy gold.

Posted by: Toby928 at January 05, 2007 10:12 PM (ATbKm)

62 Did I hear truckers?


Uh, Breaker One-Nine, this here's the Rubber Duck
You got a copy on me Pig-Pen? C'mon

Uh, yeah 10-4 Pig Pen, fer sure, fer sure
By golly it's clean clear to Flag-Town, C'mon

Uh, yeah, that's a big 10-4 Pig-Pen,
Yeah, we definitely got us the front door good buddy,
Mercy sakes alive, looks like we got us a convoy

Posted by: ErikW at January 05, 2007 10:35 PM (jF1NE)

63 Who is this farting in the thread?


Can't we go back to talking about vajayjay's instead of arguing with one?

Number of ejaculations: -31

Posted by: cheshirecat at January 05, 2007 11:14 PM (fMn+K)

64 , my Mom is a third degree black belt in Kenpo Karate

LMAO!!!!

Posted by: Warden at January 06, 2007 02:22 AM (rZ5uY)

65 Tom, you ignorant slut. Hu Jintao is the Lord High Muckey-Muck of the Peoples' Republic Of China. I kinda suspect that the PRC's government may just have a few more people on payroll than the usfedgov. Also, you seem to have a lack of understanding about how Federalism works. The state local governments aren't part of the federal government.

Posted by: Cybrludite at January 06, 2007 03:30 AM (XFoEH)

66 Now then, for Mother(****er) Theresa...

As someone who's from the New Orleans area and is working to rebuild our city better than it was, let me start by saying that you're more than welcome to fellate a running chainsaw.
Yes, New Orleans got most of the coverage post-storm. Since youaren't a 2nd Lt., I'm going to go out on a limb and assume you know how to work a map. See that squiggly blue line that runs through the middle of New Orleans? Follow it all the way north to Minnesota. That's called the "Mississippi River". See how it goes through the Midwest? That's how nearly all of our country's grain exports get shipped to the coast. It's well over an order of magnitude more expensive to ship the grain to the coast by rail, assuming the rail net even comes close enough to be usable at all. As it happens, New Orleans is about as far north along the river as is economical for ocean-going ships to travel (One full shift, 8 hours from the Gulf Outlet to the city), and about as far south down the river that it's practical to build high-rise buildings. Now factor in that a very sizable chunk of the nation's refining capability is in the area, and that we've got the deep water supertanker offloading systems down at the LOOP. (Louisiana Offshore Oil Port) Not to mention all the chemical industry between here and Baton Rouge.
Biloxi has some casinos.
Slight difference in their value to the national econemy, yes?
So think very carefuly about what it might mean to the nation were we to be hit again and be drowned properly this time. Yes, we're having crime problems. Go figure. Large swaths of housing are moldering ghost towns which both the insurance companies and the feds are bending over backwards not to have to pay for cleaning up. The thugs who ran are starting to realize that Judge Eloise doesn't hold court in Houston (Nor, thankfully, here anymore), and are coming back. Once here, they're finding that they're having to fight to reclaim their "turf" from those who stayed or came back sooner. Or have just arrived from elsewhere. With all the illegals that have come in, and Odin bless them for all the work they're doing, we've also had the misfortune of MS-13 setting up shop here. If you're unfamiliar with them, MS-13 is a drug-running gang formed from what little was left of the Marxist rebels in El Salvador. The Bloods Crips are like a ladies knitting society compared to these guys. Think of the worst meanest of the Hell's Angels, and you've got an idea about what the MS-13 rank file are like.

Posted by: Cybrludite at January 06, 2007 03:59 AM (XFoEH)

67 rxwhite,
Glad to see another local here. I work in the IS department of that hospital, and was back at workthe Monday following the storm to help relieve the crew that stayed. (And was on the list of folks to stay if we got hit in '06) I say we should rebuild just to piss Theresa off further. (Kinda like the folks who held Southern Decadance after the stormdespite everything.)
And while we're on the subject and I'm done venting, let me again thank everyone who helped out after the storm. Especially the Coast Guard, who were out pulling folks off roofs as soon as the wind died down enough for them to fly, the Navy Marines for bringing a 'phib to the party,the Army Army NG for patrolling, handing out MREs (and especially the 82nd Airborne for guarding my workplace), and the Air Force (Theresa not withstanding) for working the evacuation through the airport. Also, a huge thank you for those around the country who took us in and a huge apology for those that came hidden amongst the honest citizens. Your generocity was much appreciated, and we hope to help y'all find punish those who took undue advantage of the situation.
Jon

Posted by: Cybrludite at January 06, 2007 04:14 AM (XFoEH)

68 I do not know the headcount at Hu Jintao. Maybe they are larger (kinda doubt it)

Tom, you pathetically ignorant fucking moron (and I mean that in the kindest way).

Hu Jintao is the fucking head honcho of the PRC. You know, Red China, 1.something BILLION FUCKING PEOPLE.

The PRC has over 7,000,000 active, reserve, and paramilitary troops.

Damn man - buy a freaking vowel and get a clue.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at January 06, 2007 05:45 AM (clafO)

69 *holding sides*

Oh, that is one entertaining troll.

When you say 'My trucking company,' you mean 'The trucking company where I sweep the warehouse and stack pallets,' right?

BTW, my mom is a ninja and she's up on your roof right now.

Posted by: lauraw at January 06, 2007 11:28 AM (ImFv8)

70 Tom served? What branch?

He'd be the first one I ever met who served that couldn't spell "sergeant".

He screwed it up 3 times, so I'm thinking "not a typo".

You a squid Tom?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 06, 2007 11:46 AM (pzen5)

71 Wow. Disappointing to see Theresa go off the rails like this, but hey...

Theresa, I'm another New Orleanian (now living elsewhere) who has had a merry time of watching things unfold in my dear hometown since the storm. Despite how crooked the folks are who got re-elected, the people that were lining up to try to replace them (Mitch Landrieu vs. Nagin, Karen Carter vs. Jefferson) were in many ways much more odious. If you look at the polling for the mayoral vote, you'll notice that the majority of (R) voters voted for Nagin precisely to make sure that as bad as things are, that another Landrieu didn't get behind the wheel of the city. As far as the Congressional election went, what you see is Gerrymandering 101. As foul as it is, Jefferson will probably only leave if it looks not only like he'll be indicted, but convicted.

Anyway, onto a happier note- if you look at the current polling, Blanco currently trails Bobby Jindal (6th dist Congressman, R-LA) about 52-25. The cleanout really begins in about 11 months.

As far as the strategic importance of the port and city goes, Cybrludite (a graduate of my alma mater- big ups, yo) has pretty much summed it up. I assume you, as a retired member of the AF, are aware of the importance of NAS JRB Belle Chasse as an interceptor base for most of the western Gulf, to say nothing of its logistical importance for airlifts with the demise of England AFB.

Anyway, no one, least of all the folks who are trying to get things back together in NO, are happy with the crime issues, corruption, and so forth, that are going on in NO... in addition, it's equally galling to hear some of our local morons say "We should bring them all home" when there is literally no place for them to live, and especially when they've found a new, more lucrative government dole to live on.

But I, as someone who is preparing to join the service, am ashamed that I might have had to call you a colleague. Were you screaming the same things in the '94 Northridge earthquake in LA? Are you yelling the same things at people who live in Seattle? Ranier will eventually erupt. And are you all over the folks who live in Manhattan? They get a hurricane landfalling in western Long Island about once a century- the last one was 1938.

And finally- Tom, please go somewhere else to spout your self-righteous crap. You don't have a leg to stand on here, and you really shouldn't talk about things you know absolutely nothing about. Just to clue you in- the Red Cross had trucks lined up outside the greater New Orleans area with supplies, and the Louisiana EMA refused to let them in. The stateside balance of the 101st Airborne and 278th Infantry were waiting and ready to deploy with supplies from Fort Campbell- but were unfortunately, due to the rule of law, unable to deploy without written authorization from the Governor of the State of Louisiana. In addition, did you know that she didn't authorize the issuance of weapons to the Guardsmen who were there until a week after the storm?

Rhetorical question- of course you didn't. So please- go away.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at January 06, 2007 12:10 PM (mt7GK)

72 Tom, please go somewhere else to spout your self-righteous crap. You don't have a leg to stand on here, and you really shouldn't talk about things you know absolutely nothing about. Just to clue you in- the Red Cross had trucks lined up outside the greater New Orleans area with supplies, and the Louisiana EMA refused to let them in.

I began my post asking a very simple question of Sgt York: What were the feeble and elderly supposed to do? No response. I asked if Sgt York had elderly parents so she would better understand the limitations of old age - no response. I asked if there was a responsibility to those infirmed citizens - no response. So it appears with all the chest pounding (mostly by Sgt York) you have no answers to these very simple and direct questions. And because you have nothing positive to say, you simply fall back on your Rovian tactics of insult and ridicule. All your little insults do nothing to me. I would have to consider you important to care what you think, and I am much to busy for that. I can see why you folks stick together. Sane people don't support your positions. Sane people want answers to their simple questions. You have no answers - only reverence for Dubya. As the administration falls farther and farther from relevance you must increase the volume - 'cause noone is listening. It scary really. Instead of shaking the kool-aid from your brains and wonder whats going on, you simply run faster toward the brick wall. I know since your administration is down to about 25% approval, you must get mean and nasty to attempt to keep your pride. I know it is tough selling ice to eskimos, but keep it up - someone might buy it. The administration you so fervently support (to the point of cultism) will be regarded in history as the worst administrations ever. The legacy is not something I would be to quick to publicly embrace. As time goes on and you become more clear, you will realize the folly of your ways. Much like a teenager must grow up, you must look back and wonder what were you thinking? That thought will travel with you forever.

And now a word from our sponsors:

Fuckwad I was not comparing numbers of citizens in the country (you were). I was talking about people on GOVERNMENT PAYROLL. So you mixed up that one. BYW Federal trumps state and local jurisdictions always.. They are part of the same team. So you mixed that one up also. The trucks got to NOLA. They are still there and they are still doing more the the city than all of you are. Entropy - do you have issues with parents? DO you know who your dady is? Why bring that stuff into it unless you have nothing thoughtful to say. Oh, thats right, you DON'T have anything thoughtful to say. My bad, sorry.

Anyway, I hold my head high and know that I did something to help - rather than this crowd who seem to be more interested in defending the indefensible. The NOLA disaster was a federal matter - start to finish. Instead of discussing what we can do next time - it is more important for you to circle the wagons for W. Folks he will be gone soon. To Paraguay I believe. Who are you going to worship then? For you to hang on to the last drastic celebration of 'dear leader' you may want to rethink his actions. they do you no good. They do America no good. With every sunrise more and more Americans are waking up to the truth: Mr Bush and his merry band of supporters (you) are on the losing end of history. You know it - we know it. Cheers.

Posted by: Tom at January 06, 2007 03:16 PM (9mYbp)

73 I wasn't convinced until Tom called Bush "Dear Leader."

Then I was.

Bravo, Tom. Bra-vo.

Posted by: Warden at January 06, 2007 06:17 PM (9e+67)

74 The NOLA disaster was a federal matter - start to finish.

Rich, with layers.

Tob

Posted by: Toby928 at January 06, 2007 06:25 PM (ATbKm)

75 Mr Bush and his merry band of supporters (you) are on the losing end of history.

I've always figure that when the lefty invokes the dreaded Judgment of History, its all over, they've crapped out.

Snake-eyes baby.

Tob

Posted by: Toby928 at January 06, 2007 06:29 PM (ATbKm)

76 stingy and greedy attitude you show is a reason why the military is not considered a honorable profession any longer.

Oh, yes, because bumper-sticker-puking shitstains like yourself ("dear leader" is a timeless classic; Bush should declare himself emperor for life just so it never becomes passe) used to be oh soooo reverent of the armed services. Too fuckin funny. I sure hope you don't expect a single troop to lose sleep tonight over the fact that somewhere, a barnacle on the hull of America doesn't consider them "honorable" anymore.

Ain't it odd that every person that seems to lament this mythical "loss of honor" among our fighting men and women has never been one themselves? Doesn't even know someone who is (try your "loss of honor" bullshit on someone in the military in person; your pansy bitch ass won't survive long enough for your mommy to come along and try to kung fu fight your attacker into submission)? It's. Just. So. Weird.

The NOLA disaster was a federal matter - start to finish.

Looks like we have ourselves a card-carrying Nagin-to-the-grave voter on board. Sing it loud and proud, brother. And it looks like you know as much about federalism as you do about Hu Jintao. After all, since George W. Bush has so many employees at his disposal, he certainly can spare some bus drivers with portable teleporters attached to their little bus driver hats who can shoot down to NOLA and drive them sumbitches out of a flood zone before the hurricane rendered them useless. Were you the brainchild behind Nagin's campaign slogan: "Why Can't Someone Else Do My Job?"

But I'm sure that your mock-worthy ignorance extends only to those two areas, so continue to spout off on a whole host of subjects; you have nothing to fear here. After all, you're the one who's mommy is a black belt in tampon hair assembly or whatever it is.

Wow. I still can't get over the fact that a grown man played internet tough guy by hiding behind the vagina of a significantly older woman.

Posted by: VJay at January 06, 2007 09:15 PM (HaFcU)

77 Tom's pretty funny - he demands that we not distort a single word of his, then slathers us with massive inventions and characterizations of his own. He lost me at the "honorable profession" comment - I don't think I've heard anybody else make that ridiculous statement, ever.

Tells you exactly where he stands: an ignorant little attention-seeking swine taking cheap shots at our boys. He's not very smart or funny, but he is offensive. And boy does he love to spew, though he repeats himself a lot.

I don't think this one's good enough for the bug jar - go ahead and pull his wings off.

Posted by: geoff at January 06, 2007 09:31 PM (IiqUa)

78 Hey Tom!

You who served!

Hiya!

Can you spell seargeaent?

Posted by: Dave in Texas at January 06, 2007 09:36 PM (hNyWr)

79 The NOLA disaster was a federal matter - start to finish.

If I thought you weren't serious, that would be funny.

Instead of
discussing what we can do next time - it is more important for you to
circle the wagons for W.

So, I guess you haven't read this blog much? Some days, there's more W. bashing here than at your average liberal blog. We're just pissed at him for different reasons.

Folks he will be gone soon.

Really? No. Quit foolin'.

To Paraguay I
believe. Who are you going to worship then?

Easy.

Paraguay.

Posted by: Slublog at January 06, 2007 09:46 PM (hAXBr)

80 I am fortunate I was able to make the most of my access to education.

So, Tom you used to ride the short bus and now you drive it? That's just super that you put all your education to such good use. Now, wipe the drool off your chin and get your hands out of your shorts.

And before I forget, as another one of those loser retired military types who wasn't smart enough to do anything else with his life but suck at the public tit -- fuck you.

Posted by: cranky at January 06, 2007 10:30 PM (Xj2Ev)

81 Atarget-rich environment was provided by Tom so I'm rereading the thread and note that Tom wrote "...your health insurance is prabably in good shape (again paid for by me)."
Actually, Tom retired military are required to purchase their health insurance if they choose. You do not pay for it. And no, we do not receive free life-time health care.
Were those trailers you "gave" to the Corps of Engineers already fully depreciated? Did you then claim a charitable deduction at their historical cost or fair market value? Or did you claim the trailers were destroyed in the storm so you could file either an insurance claim or receive cash directly from the government, or both? In other words, exactly how many lies have you made in this thread?
Go have a full contact match with your ninja momma, maybe this time she'llprovide you a little variety by lubing upa different strap-on.

Posted by: MSgt cranky, USAF, Retired at January 07, 2007 10:52 AM (Xj2Ev)

82 And before I forget, as another one of those loser retired military types who wasn't smart enough to do anything else with his life but suck at the public tit -- fuck you.

Posted by: cranky

I'm sorry about your misfortune. Being stuck in a thankless and awful job must be frustrating. It is common knowledge that most 'volunteers' who enlist in the armed force are either looking for something better in their life (not a bad thing) or a judge gave them a choice: Armed service or jail. Which one best describes you Krank?

Posted by: Tom at January 08, 2007 01:30 PM (2/n6+)

83 It is common knowledge that most 'volunteers' who enlist in the armed
force are either looking for something better in their life (not a bad
thing) or a judge gave them a choice: Armed service or jail.

Pure comedy gold.

Posted by: Toby928 at January 08, 2007 01:33 PM (ATbKm)

84 This one is incredibly ignorant. Not even up to the very low standards we try to maintain here for troll-baiting. He still hasn't caught on the the Chinese Army yet.

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