Back To Work
I'm too tired to post much right now, but the watchword is "back to work." We've lost a battle, and a big one, but it's only a setback in the general war of ideas which we're generally winning.
Why didn't we win this time? We didn't show up with the ammo for the war of ideas. Namely, ideas. Conservatives preach that government is dysfunctional and inefficient, and yet we've done little to change that while in custody of the whole of the government. No streamlining efforts, no efforts to cut back wasteful spending, etc. These are small-bore type iniitiatives, but the public takes notice that you're trying. How much mileage did Clinton/Gore get out of "ReGo," "Reinventing Government"? Not a hell of a lot was done there, but certainly small improvements were made here and there, and they got credit for trying. They were trying to improve the government's ability to serve the public, even if in a minor (and much overhyped) way. There's been a listnessness, a lack of energy in the government for a long while. To some extent, this always happens in the sixth year of a presidency, which is the reason for the six year itch. All of the major pieces of business have either been accomplished or attempted and rejected (like reforming Social Security). And yet that hardly absolves Congress from acting on its own initiative to improve matters, to tinker with the way things work to make them work better. I'm not talking about spending more money. But if you have a collge loan program that's going to cost you so many billions of dollars per year anyway, for example, what the hell, why not see about improving customer service and the like? Bush has been excessively passive and lethargic for two years, and Congress followed his lead. This passivity and lethargy he inherits from his father -- how obvious was it that George Bush the Elder had simply run out of steam in 1991? Even the latest spate of anti-terrorist legislation was essentially reactive -- they were forced to act legislatively due to an adverse court ruling against administration-authorized policies existing for years. What, really, has Congress done for two years? Certainly it didn't cut any spending, God knows. But even if you're not in the Democratic tradition of addressing every new perceived need with a glittering new federal program, there's hardly any reason to not try to improve what programs we have in a revenue-neutral way. And revenue-neutral programs would be a major goal for this past Congress, had they achieved it. The conservative complaint is that government doesn't work very well. Fine-- but that hardly means that conservatives should allow government to work less well than it could. No, government isn't the answer to all of life's problems, but if you've got a government, you might as well fix a few of life's problems. Remember the public ecstacy over the micro-initiative of merely creating the federal Do Not Call registry, and ending telemarketers' calls into the home? Does anyone doubt their life isn't just a tiny bit better due to that? Clinton was, of course, a master at this game of governmental small-ball. He controled the agenda because of this stuff. And this Congress? Outlawed online poker. And couldn't even do so, except on the sly, attaching it stealthily to a security bill sure to pass. If you have to hide your legislative victories like old porn mags, they're not, in fact, victories at all. Perhaps the only domestic issue that really could have moved votes was security-first-amnesty-later. But due to Bush's faith-based position that we need to make millions of Central and South Americans new American citizens every year, the Republican Congressmen were unable to seize upon this and save themselves. They lost elections due to Bush's political sins. As Drew points out, there is now a defacto "timetable" in place for Iraq. Simple realism means that when the anti-war party wins an election, the war is just about ready to be declared over. That gives Bush a few months to try something bold and daring -- like sending over 30,000 new troops for a short period of time -- to stabilize the situation and get results. If he can't get them, then the Democrats have their wish -- they will force a loss in a war they never wanted to fight, and were determined to lose, all along. If there's one silver lining, it is that the political enemy now has a face, and can no longer hide behind the mainstream media's skirts, even if they want to help hide them. I was very nearly laughing at Chris Matthews' statement tonight that he hoped Democrats, as they were on the brink of taking power, would think seriously about their position on Iraq. Hah-- now that they're about to take power they should think about it. Apparently Chris was just fine with them not thinking about it for the past year and a half-- but now they should come up with a plan. But they will have to. They ran, basically, on the platform that they had a plan to ultimately have a plan. Well, the election's over, and now they're in power. The public elected them to help make Iraq better, and the public is going to be expecting that Plan the Democrats have long planned. Now that they can no longer merely carp from the sidelines, we'll see the brilliant plans the Democratic War-Fightin' Brain-Trust comes up with-- and so will the public. Another commenter said that Bush's narrow victory in 2004 should have put him on notice the public was giving him a short period of time to prove he could fix things. The media will certainly be pulling with all its might for Nancy Pelosi, but there's no evidence the public is willing to give the Democrats much longer than two years, either. We'll see how their plans to have a plan progress, and how that all works out for them in 2008. Nancy Pelosi will find it harder to evade every substantive question when she's now the leader of the House of Representatives. She promised she would, at some point, have answers; we're all ears. Liberals blame voters for their decisions. I don't want to do that. But if politicians have to live with the consequences of losing their voters, voters have to live with the consequences of losing their politicians, too. According to early estimates, perhaps one-third of previous evangelical voters flipped and went for Democrats. If scandal and such put them off, fine. But if John Paul Stevens now retires, and Bush cannot get anyone but a liberal (of a moderate stripe) through the Senate, they will know precisely what that defection cost them. Can't say it's their fault; if the Republicans alienated them, such is politics. But I'm not sure evangelicals will find their choice in their own interests. But most importantly: Back to work. We snoozed for two years, trusting that 9/11 and patriotism and little else would carry us through, even though we weren't delivering on even the basics of bedrock conservative principles. Or even clearly winning the war we trusted would keep the public on our side. We were wrong, and we were bloodied. We got our clocks cleaned. The Democrats didn't do much except try not to say anything at all and nominate pretty candidates who had no previous history and thus could plausibly pose as moderates or even monderate-conservatives. But if you don't play your best game, you can be beaten by weak teams. Winning teams always play their best games. Losing teams put in half-hearted effort and just hope luck and opponents' mistakes will carry them along, barely. That's what makes them losing teams. It's time to start coming up with fresh and popular ideas again, and fighting for them, and keeping the Democrats on permanent defense. And, maybe, just for fun, proposing serious deficit reduction packages consisting chiefly of budget cuts. And we'll see what the "Pay As You Go," very fiscally-responsible balanced-budget-hawk Democrats have to say about that.And... Sidhe cheers me up by saying, basically, "Buck up, we've had our dirty barbarian asses tossed out of better places."
Comments
Posted by: MikeZ at November 08, 2006 04:59 AM (c5sWc)
I would kill to be able to vote against the Republicans, but the Democrats are just idiots. We've got the stupid party and the stupid and evil party. Not evil because they genuinely want to hurt us, but because they will never, ever allow themselves to learn from history. In fact, they prefer to rewrite it wherever possible. They've got too many ideological investments.
And we're the relatively sane Western democratic country. Allah help us.
Posted by: MlR at November 08, 2006 05:03 AM (TrMUD)
Posted by: FrakYou at November 08, 2006 05:04 AM (0biuM)
Get some rest...you've earned it.
Posted by: genghis at November 08, 2006 05:10 AM (0/c+a)
Posted by: BattleofthePyramids at November 08, 2006 05:12 AM (FSHaE)
Stomach-churning it is.
Posted by: genghis at November 08, 2006 05:15 AM (0/c+a)
Some of those in the enforcement first crowd are looking a few decades down the line to save the country before the Democrats dilute the voting pool with Democrats.
Posted by: MlR at November 08, 2006 05:18 AM (TrMUD)
We were?
Here are a few more reasons why we lost...
McCain-Feingold
No Child Left Behind
Expanding federal government
Giving up on school vouchers
Tossing pebbles at illegal immigration
Prescription drug program
Permitting the MSM to define torture
Hastert's protection of Congressional offices
Abandoning Tom DeLay when he came under attack
Abandoning Karl Rove when he came under attack
Abandoning Scooter Libby when he came under attack
Letting Sandy Burger off the hook
Letting Richard Armitage off the hook
Refusing to indict treasonous behavior
Refusing to indict Katrina officials
Refusing to take the GWOT seriously enough
OTOH, let's not forget that this shift of power isn't anything unprecedented in terms of history.
Posted by: bbeck at November 08, 2006 05:19 AM (qF8q3)
They weren't willing to listen, so they needed a kick in the pants. That kick has been delivered - sadly, along with Speaker Pelosi. Whether that serves to wake them up or not, we shall see over the next two years.
Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 08, 2006 05:23 AM (PiXy!)
Everything else, well, it's important too, but if we had won in Iraq last year and have 50% less troops in there than now, we'd have won.
Posted by: Harun at November 08, 2006 05:28 AM (LOCjv)
Nonsense. Don't confuse semantics with substance. Bush was trying to impress the enforcement crowd with nothing but semantics: empty promises of actually doing something. Don't blame the enforcement people for seeing through his empty maneuvering. Try substance next time. It might get you further.
Still, even though I'm an enforcement kind of guy, I voted straight Republican for what it was worth (not much here in the very blue Pacific Northwest). So did everyone else I know who cares about immigration. No one stayed home. I don't think the border control issue really hurt the Republicans too much in the end. In the long run, fatigue simply set in. Bush has ran a lackluster war on terror (can't even call it a war on Islam, damn it and that whole deal with Saudi students studying aviation in the U.S., WTF?) and it is clear that many otherwise apolitical people are dissatisfied with Iraq, the government has ballooned under the "fiscally-responsible" party, and then there were scandals to boot. It was the perfect storm and even if Bush had done something serious on border control it probably wouldn't have made any difference.
Anti-immigration people really wanted to retain the House since the Republicans there have done an excellent job staving off the stupidity and suicidal tendencies of RiNOs in the Senate and Bush himself. Unfortunately, it was all lost in the end. We tried.
Posted by: MikeZ at November 08, 2006 05:34 AM (c5sWc)
Mistakes:
After 9/11 Congress should have passed all those laws that they passed this year, thus cutting the NYT and the libs off at the knees.
NOT FIRING TENET ON 9/12
Not exploiting Sandy Berger, etc. - sometimes we need to play hardball.
Posted by: Harun at November 08, 2006 05:35 AM (LOCjv)
"comprehensive."
NCLB was a good idea that got turned into a travesty because of the desire to create a "comprehensive" policy
Immigration was killed because of the desire to create a "comprehensive" policy.
SS was killed because of the desire to create a "comprehensive" policy.
The tax policies are in danger because they were hammered through in the hopes of being comprehensive.
DHS is a fucking joke, because instead of being a minor satellite of the FBI, it became a leviathan of beuracracy thanks to the desire to create a "comprehensive" policy.
Get the fuck away from "comprehensive" and get around to occams fucking razor.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 05:39 AM (QTv8u)
If you've forgotten, here's the standard they have to pass according to the Official Army historian. Like you say, as soon as they have *a* plan it'll be an improvement.
Posted by: Tank at November 08, 2006 05:42 AM (aOeXm)
Sandy Berger is a small thing, but there are a lot more actions on the side of the left that could have been capitalized on. However, sometimes? it is necessary to choke on defeat, because the othe option would be worse.
Clintons administration was packed with corruption, and incompetance, but for the 'pubs to have made the failures of past dem's the referendum on todays election, or in '08, the 'pubs might win, but they might also do a great deal to harm America as a whole.
True, the dem's don't have the best legacy of elder statesmen (in fact treasonous behaviour in too many cases) but would you like to go down in history as the man, or party that destroyed the very idea you were trying to serve?
Thats why this portion of democracy irritates me.
For the next several days, the elections will be broken down as though they are are a sporting event, when in fact, there is no sport in these decisions, this is not fun, this is life and death, and not just the lives and deaths of individuals, but the life and death of the grandest, most contiguous form of governance in the history of the world, that is not only blessed with longevity and power, but also, the most free and liberal (as in free) nation the world has ever seen.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 05:46 AM (QTv8u)
Mathews said something very much like that. I know, I wanna cry knowing that for about 40 seconds tonight mathews wasn't a lunatic.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 05:48 AM (QTv8u)
It's like we want to be Mr. Nice Guy, but it ended up with having to get partisan enemies to agree to your plans which they will not. SS reform for example...once they have a Dem president they will pass virtually the same plan we had.
But when we offered it up - they killed it. (again, how can they kill a plan when they are in the minority - brilliant!)
Posted by: Harun at November 08, 2006 05:49 AM (LOCjv)
But trying to master the MSM is not going to work and I think it actually helps us a bit to have to overcome that built-in disadvantage.
So, yeah, let's figure out where we went wrong and fix the party.
Posted by: Harun at November 08, 2006 05:55 AM (LOCjv)
SS reform was killed because there is a large segment of the voting community (old people) who didn't want it to happen. Add that to the fact that the whole SS Trust fund issue was never properly explained (the fact that there is no trust fund because all of the SS surplus has already been spent).
As for the other points, NCLB is one of those good in theory ideas, but expensive and ineffective in practice. Testing regimes mean nothing if school districts do not have the freedom to hire and fire teachers based on performance. And the teachers' unions have made sure that school districts don't have that option.
As for immigration reform, there is really no need for it. Enforce the laws on the books before talking about changing them.
The whole idea of comprehensive income tax reform went off the rails the second that the President's panel suggested getting rid of the mortgage interest deduction.
And as for DHS, I don't even know what to say. Its another good in theory idea. The only problem is that our laws (rightly) prevent it from being an MI-5 equivalent. And without that power, its just another source of government contracts and wasteful spending.
And as I write this Conrad Burns, my dark horse pick, just fell behind by about 6k votes. But the 7k who voted for the libertarian in that race should feel real good about themselves in the morning.
Posted by: Shivv at November 08, 2006 05:56 AM (X9htZ)
Steve Sailer remarks:
According to the national exit poll, Schwarzenegger won 60% of the white vote, 59% of the Asian vote, an above average 26% of the black vote (California blacks are a little more conservative than nationally, but that's still good), but only 34% of the Hispanic vote. California Hispanics are a little to the left of the national Hispanic voter, so that's not too bad for Schwarzenegger, but not very good either, especially considering he's running as a liberal Republican. In California, the white-Hispanic gap was 26 points (60-34), compared to nationally in the House races where it is now 22 points (51-29 at last count). So, Schwarzenegger won big in California despite losing in a landslide among Hispanics. For the last decade, the media has promoted the implicit myth that Hispanics in California cast Magic Ballots, worth far more than other voters' ballots. In truth, they (still) count every vote the same.
In another article by Sailer, he points out the reality in California:
It’s often said that angry Latinos made subsequent Republican candidates pay for Wilson’s sins, but where are the numbers? According to the Census Bureau, California Hispanics cast 11.4 percent of the vote in 1994 and 13.9 percent in 1998. In both elections, the Republican gubernatorial candidate won 23 percent of the Hispanic vote, so the celebrated Latino “tidal wave of anger” accounted for less than a tenth of the Republicans’ plummet from Wilson’s 55 percent in 1994 to Lungren’s 38 percent in 1998.
http://www.amconmag.com/2006/2006_05_08/cover.html
Failure to bring out white voters is was killed Lungren, not failing to attract Hispanics. Unfortunately, the Republicans seem hell-bent on ensuring that they lose California permanently (or move the entire state party to the left of many Midwestern Democrats). Stupid.
Posted by: MikeZ at November 08, 2006 05:56 AM (c5sWc)
A loss is a loss, but I prefer to think of it as a temporary setback. I don't like it and the clock is ticking...two years. You have 24, maybe 48 hours to bitch, whine, complain, point fingers, go fetal, or whatever. After that, knock it off and get back to work. Do we really want to see stories about conservatives going into therapy like we did the Dems after 2004?
Ace has posted a number of times recently about how the left seems to take things political so personally that they cut off friends, family, etc. We don't need 2 years of Pelosi Derangement Syndrome when we can have PMS (Pelosi Mocking Syndrome).
They'll overreach. They always do. Football coaches often remind their players that when they get in the end zone "act like you've been there before." But they won't. And it'll cost them next time.
So settle down. And if you don't, I will instruct (ok, ask snivelingly) bbeck to come to your house and personally kick each and every one of your asses.
Posted by: genghis at November 08, 2006 05:59 AM (0/c+a)
Posted by: MikeZ at November 08, 2006 05:59 AM (c5sWc)
Posted by: MikeZ at November 08, 2006 06:01 AM (c5sWc)
Posted by: MikeZ at November 08, 2006 06:09 AM (c5sWc)
Posted by: Shivv at November 08, 2006 06:09 AM (X9htZ)
(Yeah, I'm playing the long game. Looking at the short terms ouches too much).
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 08, 2006 06:18 AM (MecJo)
Bush could have said to teddy on NCLB, "I understand your concerns, please list them out and we will see if we can work this out, just give us some time to work it out."
And what you can do is look at your innitial legislation and say to yourself "okay, we will not compromise on clear compentancy testing, but your idea on smaller classrooms is effective, so we will throw out the other 28/29ths of the bill, and start with this small effort"
Instead bush and teddy found another 80 or so additions to completely fuck up a fundamentaly brilliant idea, and it's only "brilliant" because accountability was a part of life long before teddy avoided it.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 06:24 AM (QTv8u)
You want smaller government? Operate from that idea.
There would be smaller bills, smaller expenditures, and lest waiste. But in Washington, compromise, isn't compromise (where both sides give something up) but rather mutual gluttony where both sides feed off of the same pig hoping it gets big enough to feed everyone.
That is exactly COUNTER to what compromise actually is.
Example, I compromise with my brother, I don't say "bitch" anywhere near him, either in defining a woman or a man, the reason is that my brother is married, and doesn't want his wife to hear that word. Cool, I removed bitch from my lexicon when in the environment of my brother. He limits his assaults on the fact that I miss being in the service.
We both gave up things that we generaly did often, however, within eachothers environment, we don't mind, because the respect of the environment has grown because we are more exclusive in our excercise of phrase, and it has improved our relationship.
You don't compromise by giving something TO in exchange for something that is being giving back, but you compromise by giving something UP! in exchange for something that is being given up.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 06:31 AM (QTv8u)
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 06:40 AM (QTv8u)
Posted by: Tom Garrett at November 08, 2006 06:43 AM (pSO4B)
Gone out to 5000 margin now but its still in the same high 8x% counted that it was before.
Posted by: Tank at November 08, 2006 06:46 AM (aOeXm)
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 08, 2006 06:46 AM (MecJo)
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 06:48 AM (pSO4B)
I would have been for turning out the Republicans because of their fecklessness had their been any real competition from the Democrats. Instead, they are just insane. Reckless in their single minded quest for power, they were willing to cheer for US defeat openly. I don't believe that there is actually a constituency for losing, or at least not a winning constituency for it (see Ned Lamont and Lincoln Chafee, for example), so I suspect that they will spin on their position and knife the Kos losers in gratitude for their strident support.
Maybe that is just wishful thinking. But they'll have to keep the GWOT going so Hillary can win it.
Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2006 06:50 AM (b/ENZ)
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 06:51 AM (pSO4B)
Posted by: someone at November 08, 2006 06:53 AM (LS1TS)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 06:55 AM (cLjAU)
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 06:58 AM (pSO4B)
It's not like the Democrats had better ideas, or even ideas.
Tell me again what their plan for Iraq is?
They showed up with a bunch of gay rumors and anti-war slogans.
Posted by: See-Dubya at November 08, 2006 06:58 AM (9jAKu)
Posted by: Tom Garrett at November 08, 2006 06:59 AM (pSO4B)
This is issue #1, and a choice that will have repercussions for many years to come. Good to see RedState is already on it, but every conservative should be.
Posted by: someone at November 08, 2006 07:02 AM (LS1TS)
Posted by: tom garrett at November 08, 2006 07:02 AM (pSO4B)
Posted by: tom garrett at November 08, 2006 07:04 AM (pSO4B)
Posted by: tom garrett at November 08, 2006 07:06 AM (pSO4B)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 07:06 AM (cLjAU)
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Posted by: Pixy Misa at November 08, 2006 07:12 AM (PiXy!)
by the way weasel, the medication is call Guiness Stout.
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 07:12 AM (pSO4B)
Posted by: someone at November 08, 2006 07:14 AM (LS1TS)
There is no warm up phase to confict. Everything happens very quickly.
The result of this Democratic win will in all liklihood mean our lukewarm friends in harsh parts of the work will have to let us go. No one wants to be part a coalition with a wobbling major partner.
This means fiew if any good intelligence leads.
The "moderate" Sufi Suunis will stay in the ws because to do otherwise invites death for no gain.
Those in Europe taking our harder line approach will be outed at the first opportunity.
We have just voted Ellison, a Muslim, a closet follower of Farrakhan, and a recipient of CAIR donations, to the Congress. Look to Ellison getting a place on the Intelligence or law enforcement commttees.
The war on terror just got a lot harder.
Posted by: Davod at November 08, 2006 07:20 AM (AM62A)
Posted by: tom garrett at November 08, 2006 07:25 AM (pSO4B)
The president still has the veto.
As for the guy who wants someone else to pick a fight, while picking a fight, let me say this to you, if you can't find a fight when you are looking for one, you are just THAT big of a pussy, suck it up, but you won't, cuz you are a pussy, and don't understand a fucking thing about debate, argument or conflict.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 07:37 AM (QTv8u)
Posted by: billy at November 08, 2006 07:41 AM (7zlSx)
It's about time that the dems were seen as being responsable for something important.
Now, the dem's can't hide behind being the minority party opposing the most senior Republican. NOW, they are responsible. I hope they are up to it, but if they aren't? The public will know.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at November 08, 2006 07:52 AM (QTv8u)
This seems to be the 6 year itch, and now the Congress is filled with new moderate Dems. We can watch how the nutroots will freak out when the moderates start acting like all moderates. They now have DINOS we can exploit, and the 60 vote threshold will be a bitch for the majority party.
Stevens will retire, though.
2008 just got a lot more interesting. Americans have always liked divided government, and it could have been a huge factor in the midterms. I know what the media is pushing will be full of shit, situation normal.
Posted by: Stormy70 at November 08, 2006 08:11 AM (7WJsV)
Tell me again what their plan for Iraq is?
Posted by See-Dubya at November 8, 2006 06:58 AM
Giving the Iraqis a timetable they'll need to meet in terms of security forces readiness instead of letting the Iraqi leadership set US policy on this. Phased withdrawal of combat troops and increasing the number in training and counterterrorism roles.
Copy I saw was dated June.
Posted by: Tank at November 08, 2006 08:21 AM (aOeXm)
A timetable is just a list of time deadlines we probably won't hit. and a list of targets for insurgents to insure that we don't hit. IT doesn't in any way change our need to accomplish them. If we need 25,000 more Iraqi Security, and we hit that number in July instead of June... so what, cut and run? The insistence of a timetable is a smoke screen. counter-insurgencies and nation building don't operate on timetables. The Dems just want a timetable so at the first opportunity they can "well the Iraqis just aren't trying... so we're outta here."
Posted by: DKShideler at November 08, 2006 08:47 AM (mpdt4)
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 08, 2006 08:58 AM (PHyKV)
Also would like to congratulate the left side of the blogosphere, and to apologize to Knemon for calling him a nancy-boy. You were right to be worried dear.
Posted by: lauraw at November 08, 2006 09:14 AM (DbybK)
Posted by: Joe Barn at November 08, 2006 09:16 AM (ccIv8)
Posted by: See-Dubya at November 08, 2006 09:17 AM (9jAKu)
The aliens aren't coming, but the Islamocrazies and Communist despots are, and I don't think we're all on the same side in that fight. Our country just elected a party that thinks if we're nicer to the Islamocrazies they won't want to kill us and that political prisons are a small price to pay for free health care. It's damn hard to see a bright side this morning.
Posted by: JeffK at November 08, 2006 09:21 AM (+vp9D)
Posted by: Janet at November 08, 2006 09:23 AM (ODEAX)
Posted by: Bill Parcells at November 08, 2006 09:24 AM (pzen5)
Posted by: corn at November 08, 2006 09:25 AM (yHvEo)
Posted by: Joe Barn (almost) at November 08, 2006 09:25 AM (PHyKV)
Posted by: Larry Stable at November 08, 2006 09:25 AM (m2CN7)
Since Ace has a quotation from H. L. Mencken on his masthead, let me offer another: "Democracy is the form of government that is predicated on the idea that the people know what they want and deserve to get it - good and hard." The people opted for the Pelosi/Moore cut-and-run party; and we're going to get it, good and hard.
May you live in interesting times, indeed.
Posted by: Brown Line at November 08, 2006 09:28 AM (sPqI1)
We did pass the ban on affirmative action. The only good news.
Posted by: Carin at November 08, 2006 09:33 AM (7QHbe)
Divided government might be fun for a few years.
Posted by: Stormy70 at November 08, 2006 09:37 AM (7WJsV)
Of course you haven't. Look, Rick Santorum is a real conservative. He lost by twenty points. George Allen was a real conservative - close, but done.
So I am glad there was a conservative win somewhere, but truth be told, I am not taking a lot of solace in "we'll always have Juneau."
Let me get gloomier. Kaus was writing that this election was perverse because theoretically people wanted to vote against Bush but he wasn't on the ballot.
Au contrair, mon frere. The hearings are coming, and I'd bet large sums that impeachment will be among them.
While the clear losers and targets of voter wrath are the Republican Congress, we will all pay the price. The President and his entire administration had best start lawyering up - and it will cost them hugely in money and reputation. Hollywood won't foot their legal bill, no friendly multi-million dollar book deals are in the offing (well, unless they are going to roll over on the President, maybe) - this is going to be bad for them all individually, bad for the party overall, and, worse, it will be bad for the country.
Nixon understood that his impeachment was coming and that it was better for the country not to go through it all - of course he also knew he was guilty. W is not a crook, but it won't matter. Sure, we survived the Clinton impeachment, but in the end, it was just about sex after all. This won't be about blowjobs or even lying in court about them, but about our - not George W Bush's, but that of the United States - position in the world.
The President and Vice President, and thus the cabinet, should resign. Cut a deal with Democrats for amnesty for the entire administration and let then Speaker Pelosi assume the Presidency. Of course preemptively pardon everyone first, because you won't be able to trust them.
Is it that dire? Yes, it is. Is it fair, no it isn't.
And it surely won't happen. The President isn't a quitter, he'll fight. I just think the repercussions on the party and the country will be unbearable.
Posted by: blaster at November 08, 2006 09:42 AM (7Q1rc)
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 09:45 AM (Gi7oA)
Now's a good time to support your local DC Downsizers, now that you don't have to worry about abject fear of Democrats. Spend two years supporting some libertarians, cost-free.
Posted by: rho at November 08, 2006 09:45 AM (aLDBr)
"Pain or damage don’t end the world, or despair, or fuckin’ beatings. The world ends when you’re dead. Until then, you got more punishment in store. Stand it like a man — and give some back."
Posted by: Golden Boy at November 08, 2006 09:47 AM (8CfR3)
Oh wait, no you don't.
Nixon obstructed an investigation into a burglary. That's a crime.
Clinton pejured himself in a court of law. also a crime.
Bush got congressional approval to lead the country to war.
The repercussions to the party of not rolling over while Democrats ramrod impeachment hearings on non-charges are unbearable?
Uh... huh?
Posted by: DKShideler at November 08, 2006 09:55 AM (mpdt4)
It's like saying, "Rho's sister is a good lay, but who wants to screw Rho's sister?"
Except Rho.
Posted by: bbeck at November 08, 2006 09:55 AM (qF8q3)
And Alaska rocks by the way!!! Fishin' is the mission!
Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at November 08, 2006 10:01 AM (5yPYo)
11/6/04 - Bush wins reelection.
11/7/2004 - 'conservative' pundits and bloggers blast Bush and his policies
1/1/05 - 'conservative' pundits, press and bloggers blast Bush and his polices
6/1/05 - 'conservative' pundits, press, bloggers and former supporters blast Bush and his policies.
12/1/05 - 'conservative' pundits, press, bloggers, former supporters and republican politicians blast Bush and his policies.
5/1/06 - 'conservative' pundits, press, bloggers, formers supporters, republican politicians and generals blast Bush and his policies
11/7/06 - Republicans lose control
11/8/06 - 'conservatives' wonder how we lost control?
Posted by: roc ingersol at November 08, 2006 10:02 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 10:04 AM (Dia1w)
Posted by: Paladin at November 08, 2006 10:05 AM (AfORa)
The Democrats have their victory. Now let's see them do something with it.
What's the Plan, Nancy?
Hello darkness, my old friend, it's time to visit you again ....
and hear the sounds of silence.
Posted by: Lokki at November 08, 2006 10:06 AM (wSBsc)
LOL
Yeah, keep on telling yourselves that.
Posted by: ScareyPatriot at November 08, 2006 10:07 AM (nM0Mp)
It's still a good time to show recrimination-free support for libertarian candidates and organizations.
Posted by: rho at November 08, 2006 10:08 AM (aLDBr)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 10:12 AM (Dia1w)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2006 10:12 AM (AWK8u)
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 10:15 AM (K9V/A)
Just stay off the radio and TV for the next few days...
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 08, 2006 10:16 AM (rasT+)
Yes, sweet gridlock. Its here, and all our "good programs" may be safe. GOP Senators may learn to love to filibust everything too.
Maybe an earlier post is right, in the sense that this could be a RINO purge too. Its a painful process, but the next round of nominees may be better conservatives.
Its going to be interesting to see W handle this. Imagine if the Dems pass a 100% port security bill. That would effectively stop commerce. Would he be brave and veto it or go full bore and gleefully stop every tv set and car coming into this country as they are vigorously inspected, only to say "hey, I thought that's the well thought out idea you voted for?"
Finally, lets not get Pelosi-Derangement-Syndrome. for at least a week.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2006 10:16 AM (SvDDM)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 10:17 AM (Dia1w)
Amen.
We can blame everyone and their mother for what happened, but then we'd be no better then Democrats. Republicans lost because of their own damn mistakes. This is our fault, not anyone elses. We need to think about what we did wrong and then try again in 2008.
Posted by: CT at November 08, 2006 10:18 AM (mwWH0)
Yeah, I heard that about your sister. It's still wrong for you to screw her.
And I didn't even need any "pats" to manipulate you. Dance, puppet.
Posted by: bbeck at November 08, 2006 10:19 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 10:21 AM (Dia1w)
And no need to do it to the big cheese Bush. Just do it to the midlevel soldiers like Delay and that governor who allegedly groped a waitress. Or maccaca them. or Foley them. We lost a lot of "safe" seats because those Candidates were duked.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2006 10:22 AM (SvDDM)
Bush appeases the Islamists by not winning in Iraq
Bush appeases the Left in not taking off the gloves and winning in Iraq
Bush appeases the Left, even though they still hate him
Bush screws conservatives, even as they start to hate him
The GOP loses
Bush loses
Leftists gloat and take all the credit
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 10:24 AM (Gi7oA)
That would be nice, but I don't think so.
They got a large pack of Democrats who are freshmen and will vote the way they are told to vote. The Crat leadership -- which is pure moonbat -- isn't going to just sit around and let this opportunity be squandered.
Also, a lot of these Democrats pretended to be moderates just to get elected (just like the Republicans tried to act like conservatives for the last few weeks...too little too late). It worked for Clinton. Twice.
Posted by: bbeck at November 08, 2006 10:25 AM (qF8q3)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 10:25 AM (Dia1w)
Posted by: Dick Tuck at November 08, 2006 10:26 AM (pzen5)
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 10:27 AM (Gi7oA)
And fires Rove. Honestly, what HUGE success can we credit that guy with? Sorry, buddy - you're only as good as your last win, and at the moment, we're in the negative column.
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 10:28 AM (K9V/A)
My earliest comments to this blog in 2005 we how we allowed ourselves to be de-ballsed by getting rid of the Hammer. I guess this is the original Duking. If you recall, the charges were legally meaningless, you can't launder clean money. but the charges hung around and hung around. And then, DeLay let a stupid rule force him out.
No fight left in the House (except for a last minute wall).
W, bless him, is too much a turn the other cheek president. That is why I thought President Allen would be the best 2008 candidate. Oh well, I was cocooned.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2006 10:28 AM (SvDDM)
So let's hope they got it out of their system in '06 -- or that the next two years brings the batshit-craziness of the opposition into clearer focus for them.
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 08, 2006 10:29 AM (rasT+)
Excuse me , I just fell asleep.. where was I? Oh, yes-- YOU LOSE!!1!!!! BWAHAHAHAH!!!!!!! EAT IT SUCKAZ!!!!
Posted by: USandA at November 08, 2006 10:30 AM (Jf02O)
Ok, aside from no NDP, lets not tear ourselves apart. The strategic mistake here was to rely on GOTV and to ignore the idea market. Those last minute ad dollars should have been defending the last 2 years.
Those last 2 years you guys have been shitting on were shit because we let the media get away with murder. If the GWOT is so passe, then hammer on the economy. It was good, you know?
finally, this cycle's loss was not as bad compared to other historical 2nd term midterms.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2006 10:32 AM (SvDDM)
As long as Republicans look inward, it can be beneficial. If you start to hear the old "liberal media" drum, then there is a problem.
But most of what I have heard has been directed inward, and fairly so - an evaluation of a fat, timid, and increasingly corrupt group that over 12 years had lost touch with the basis for their ascension .
And as purifications go, the removal of DeLay, Cunningham, Ney, Sherwood, Foley, Welden and I'm sure others is a good thing.
Now, bring me the head of Denny Hastert and appropriate funds for oxygen tanks delivered to the home of John Paul Stevens.
And please, please, please, let's get those investigations and impeachment proceedings moving.
Posted by: Hoke at November 08, 2006 10:32 AM (5HveT)
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 10:32 AM (K9V/A)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 10:32 AM (Dia1w)
What's the Plan, Nancy?"
Didn't you see the Pelosi victory speech? she lays out her plan. Here are my notes:
Change
New Direction
Bipartisanship
Restore Integrity, honesty
"Fairer Economy" where all participate (sounds like Marx to me)
New Direction in war
Cannot stay the course
Let's find a solution to Iraq
Aren't you just brimming with excitement for the future?
Posted by: Carin at November 08, 2006 10:33 AM (7QHbe)
Guy's overrated.
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 10:34 AM (K9V/A)
Posted by: Carin at November 08, 2006 10:34 AM (7QHbe)
I am thinking about getting a gun, however.
Posted by: kevlarchick at November 08, 2006 10:35 AM (dto9u)
Posted by: Carin at November 08, 2006 10:37 AM (7QHbe)
Posted by: jainphx at November 08, 2006 10:38 AM (Dia1w)
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 10:38 AM (Gi7oA)
Posted by: Carin at November 08, 2006 10:39 AM (7QHbe)
Allen's ads told me that Webb opposed women in combat. Well, who does that appeal to? I opposed WiC. (if you actually think feminists care about things like WiC, uh catch up, so JW still got the BDS vote).
GA allowed JW to out "scots-irish" him. The macho middle saw no reason to come to GA.
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2006 10:40 AM (SvDDM)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2006 10:40 AM (AWK8u)
When Hilary takes power, you will be arrested and re-educated for this act.
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 10:41 AM (Gi7oA)
Huh.
No shit?
Posted by: Rosetta at November 08, 2006 10:43 AM (CTqCo)
What, you think I'm a clown? That I'm here to amuse you?
Posted by: bbeck at November 08, 2006 10:44 AM (qF8q3)
The Republicans have nobody but themselves to blame. Allen and Burns were putzes - they're gone. Bush has been a bumbler for the last two years - thanks for not firing Rumsfeld, you stubborn asshole, that trick alone probably cost us four or five seats. Hastert and Delay and Ney have allowed the house to get bloated and corrupt - welcome to life under the three-inch spike heel of Nancy Pelosi.
The one thing I regret is that good candidates like Talent, Steele, Ehrlich, Simmons, Northup, and Johnson got dragged down by these assholes. God, Santorum lost by TWENTY FUCKING POINTS.
My disgust with my party is near total today. Don't anyone dare tell me to "stop being a pussy." To quote Bill Paxton, "I don't know if you've been keeping up with current event, but WE JUST GOT OUR ASSES KICKED, PAL."
We'll come back in 2008. But there are Senate seats which we should have had that will be out of our reach for six years now.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2006 10:46 AM (oRT5o)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2006 10:47 AM (AWK8u)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2006 10:49 AM (AWK8u)
The long and short of this bad but not horrific night was that majorities must act like majorities. The public cares little for the "traditions" of the Senate or the way the appropriations process used to work. It demands results. Handed a large majority, the GOP frittered it away. The chief fritterer was Senator McCain and his Gang of 14 and Kennedy-McCain immigration bill, supplemented by a last minute throw down that prevented the NSA bill from progressing or the key judicial nominations from receiving a vote. His accomplice in that master stroke was Senator Graham. Together they cost their friend Mike DeWine his seat in the Senate, and all their Republican colleagues their chairmanships. Senator McCain should rethink his presidential run.
Anybody but McCain.
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 10:50 AM (K9V/A)
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 10:51 AM (Gi7oA)
Posted by: See-Dubya at November 08, 2006 10:51 AM (9jAKu)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2006 10:52 AM (AWK8u)
What, you don't already own one? Get with the program, girl.
Posted by: Ed Snate at November 08, 2006 10:53 AM (HduYT)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2006 10:56 AM (AWK8u)
We didn't just get beaten by a "weak" team. We got beat by a bad-ass, savvy team and you are about to see just how good they are, with the help of a resurgent and triumphal MSM, in the next two years at making conservatives and republicans looks very bad.
If he can't get them, then the Democrats have their wish -- they will force a loss in a war they never wanted to fight, and were determined to lose, all along.
Here is the beginning and the end of much wisdom on the result of this election. They will get their wish. And our enemies will be emboldened and this struggle will last decades longer, and cost hundreds of thousands more lives than it needs to as a result. This is the lesson of Vietnam that we have, apparently, failed to learn. So, we will re-learn the lessons of the 60's and 70's. The question is will we produce another Reagan? I'm not optimistic.
We will also lose an historic opportunity to alter the course of constitutional jurisprudence when Stevens retires. There is no way on God's green earth that Bush will be able to nominate another Alito or Roberts and expect confirmation from Harry Reid's Senate. No effing way.
The legacy media will become more blatantly leftwing, Fox News will become more tabloidy than it already is, and Rush will be put out of business by a renewed "Fairness Doctrine". Blogs like this, to the extent that they aren't subjected to CFR type content restrictions, will remain strident little backwaters where morons like me waste time crying in the wilderness.
Oh, and you monomaniacal jack offs that were so on about immigration reform will now get the Bush Amnesty plan on steroids. In addition to being told that you're a bigot and a racist for being opposed to it. By Speaker Pelosi. And Majority Leader Reid. With Bush standing there in the background. Silent. Poised to sign to demonstrate "bipartisan cooperation". Congratulations. Dumbasses.
But by all means, continue to bitch about the low quality of GOP representation. You've contributed mightily to its elimination and now you are more than welcome to savor the flavor of its replacement.
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 10:58 AM (83CmN)
Goddammit, I knew I left that bottle of Jack Daniel's here somewhere. Oh, here it is.
Posted by: UGAdawg at November 08, 2006 10:58 AM (BnZUW)
The tide was turned on two issues and they were the negative reporting of Iraq and the self flaggeration by the party 'supporters'.
Posted by: roc ingersol at November 08, 2006 10:59 AM (m2CN7)
Posted by: AFKAF at November 08, 2006 11:01 AM (83CmN)
Posted by: Kos at November 08, 2006 11:02 AM (+PS1/)
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 11:02 AM (K9V/A)
Also: the military bears some of the blame for our failure in Iraq. Yes it does. I know it's heresy to say that on this site, but it must be said. But that's a topic for another day, another thread.
Posted by: Ed Snate at November 08, 2006 11:03 AM (HduYT)
Every time you entice me with wild-eyed accusations of incest, bbeck, all I can think is that you'd probably let me paddle my gondola of love up your sewer canal. Awesome!
Posted by: rho at November 08, 2006 11:03 AM (aLDBr)
These were all good candidates (can I confess a weakness for Northeaster moderate Republicans?), so at least they managed to not get swept away.
Oh, and J.D. Hayworth lost. Always thought that guy was a jackass.
Posted by: Jeff B. at November 08, 2006 11:09 AM (oRT5o)
Posted by: roc ingersol at November 08, 2006 11:09 AM (m2CN7)
Nice. So now you Repugs now blame the Amerikkkan people for YOUR loss in Iraq?
Here's a tip: It's not a "loss" if you want it. We want Sharia law. We want heads cut off. It's not a loss, Islamist Iraq is a VICTORY.
Posted by: DailyKosDU at November 08, 2006 11:10 AM (Gi7oA)
Clinton pejured himself in a court of law. also a crime.
When Bubba took it upon himself, to get in front of the American People on National TV, in Prime Time, and use his Position of Power and his Bully Pulpit to try to discredit, demean, and villify someone who was telling the TRUTH, he committed a crime far MORE serious than the one he committed in his testimony to a Grand Jury.
To say, It was only about sex, as blaster would have me believe, is an insult to my intelligence.
Posted by: franksalterego at November 08, 2006 11:15 AM (iMdoS)
Very good! Now, let's exchange the insult strings for a humiliation collar. Jump through this hoop and act like a sister-humping turd...again!
Ta-da!
Is there a request from the audience to see which trick he'll do next?
Posted by: bbeck at November 08, 2006 11:15 AM (qF8q3)
Sorry, I completely disagree, although I'd LOVE to see him shunned.
Yesterday's election showed Arizona going farther left, and the MSM is going to take it as a sign from above to continue idolizing their favorite RINO. McCain is going to thrive.
Posted by: bbeck at November 08, 2006 11:19 AM (qF8q3)
At least I saw a Republican majority in Congress in my lifetime, although it was squandered.Posted by: Laddy at November 08, 2006 11:21 AM (CPr/v)
We only have two years to remove that taint, with some of the scandals not yet resolved, let alone the inevitability of the emergence of new scandals. And the MSM, of course, is not going to make the perception of cleanliness easy to attain.
Posted by: geoff at November 08, 2006 11:21 AM (2d9Ny)
Does he become more powerful? Sure. People with no ambition but their own popularity usually are when they have the power to be a swing vote.
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 11:22 AM (K9V/A)
Posted by: corn at November 08, 2006 11:23 AM (f2Cn+)
Posted by: Laddy at November 08, 2006 11:29 AM (CPr/v)
Posted by: S. Weasel at November 08, 2006 11:31 AM (rasT+)
Posted by: hutch1200 at November 08, 2006 11:31 AM (AWK8u)
Posted by: taba at November 08, 2006 11:32 AM (KywdK)
Certainly there is some bad legislation in the offing from our new Dem. leadership, but as Ace so aptly pointed out, we weren't really seeing any dividends from the votes we cast the past 6 years.
The list is long, but just the two biggest failures IMO, Social Security and Judicial appointments, indicated to me, that we weren't getting the support of our incumbents.
I'll miss Sen. Allen, as I thought he was a solid devotee of Reagan. But with him out of the way, it simply makes it easier to run an even better Republican candidate.
This is the opportunity that I refer to: For every incumbant out on his/her ass, we have a chance to run a much better candidate.
Will this actually occur? History is fairly pessimistic on that front, but we are relatively new to the information age, and I'm going to choose to be optimistic about the chances for a real grass-roots conservative revolution from which will emerge candidates who are true-believers of small-government, lower taxes and strong defense, and who will legislate accordingly.
Far too long we've had to sit here and hold our noses as various incumbents have sold us out in myriad ways. Now that we don't have to protect a majority, we can pursue our ideal candidates and win where we've always had the upper ground: In the arena of ideas.
Posted by: krakatoa at November 08, 2006 11:34 AM (Md93G)
A while ago I did a back of the envelope calculation on this. My assumption was 1/2hr per container to inspect thoroughly (a wildly lowball number).
What happened was you had to add thousands of inspectors around the country, and shipping backs up to where only about 10% of current volumes manages to get through the ports.
You're right, commerce does indeed come to a screeching halt.
Of course, ports being ports, if every container is opened, stuff will be going missing all over the place. The cost of insuring a load will skyrocket as the theft opportunities go up.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 08, 2006 11:35 AM (c/i49)
I see Allah's got morning wood thinking about all the fabulous blog posts that dem congressional leadership will provide. Good for him, huh! Ain't it fan-phucking-tastic that right wingers will have something to really complain about now? Something they can sink their teeth into and really let their freak flag fly on the goddamn blogosphere?
I feel better already.
Posted by: AFKAF at November 08, 2006 11:39 AM (DXjVU)
Posted by: illegal immigrants at November 08, 2006 11:39 AM (f2Cn+)
Posted by: Winston at November 08, 2006 11:39 AM (jiQQE)
But really, this comes down to Iraq. While I think it was wrong to go in the first place, the Reps might have won '06 if they had won Iraq. But Iraq is predictably going horribly, and the Republicans are taking the fall for it. It's really that simple.
Posted by: Kallinan at November 08, 2006 11:45 AM (bijvq)
You mean Miers, Dubai port deal, Schaivo, accusations of being a drunken sailor and an appeaser, not doing enough in Iraq, doing too much in Iraq, Immigration, Trent Lott, social security, education bill, medicare drug bill and compassionate conservatism wasn't enough?
Posted by: roc ingersol at November 08, 2006 11:45 AM (m2CN7)
Well, now the shoe is on the other hand. Or rather, its a double edged sword. They can get hit with it now. The port issue is an example. Are we really going to open or xray everything? If we go from 2% inspections to 5%, who is to say the port guys won't cheat and simply inspect containers filled with plasmas? Its like harassing grandmothers in line at the airport. A waste of time.
Really, the ball is in the Dems court. Are they going to be sane, or are they going to go DU on us?
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2006 11:47 AM (SvDDM)
Posted by: Kallinan at November 08, 2006 11:49 AM (bijvq)
Thats some real polyanna shite right there, Krakatoa. And you're dead wrong about judicial nominations.
Posted by: AFKAF at November 08, 2006 11:50 AM (DXjVU)
Posted by: Rosetta at November 08, 2006 11:51 AM (CTqCo)
Enough with the hairy-knuckle, ya-got-a-nice-government-here-shame-it-would-be shit, because at a basic level, that's what this kind of recrimination is saying.
We are not responsible for the corruption of ney, cunningham, foley, hastert, and the rest; we are not (proximately) responsible for their failure to control spending; we are not responsible for failures on immigration, we are not responsible for trent lott's hubris; our representatives are.
and yes, the democrats will turn out to be worse. but this notion that the failure of the base to turn out sufficiently to support a leader-class that had become unresponsive at best and antagonistic at worst, caused this is, while true, also a copout.
it's the fallacy of false alternatives. it's saying, "shame on you for being immature, for not having enough nuance to realize that the republicans need to win no matter what, and you better shut your mouth and get the fuck in line, son, cause its us or the other guys, and it would be a shame..."
well, ya know what? the democrats won, and they're gonna be worse, it's gonna be hell for the next couple years (at least.) True nuff. And it's true that that's partly because not enough people held their noses and voted. Can't argue.
But there was something badly broken with the republican party, and if the country survives, maybe we can fix it in the mean time.
But don't, don't, don't you cop this tone about how we deserve to grt our mouths shat in, just because we didn't like the taste of the piss. It's dishonest and it excuses the breathtaking arrogance and overweening pride that led to this point.
I will not shut up and get the fuck in line, and I will demand better from my government, and all the democratic boogeymen in the world, real or imagined, can't change that, no matter how much the GOP partyline thugs try to extort my allegiance.
We're all in this thing together, people, and we deserve more than what we were being given. We taught them a lesson. Cut off our nose to spite our face? Yeah, maybe. What's important now is that we make sure that it's us teaching them a lesson, rather than our "leaders" trying to use this episode to punish us for our dissatisfaction with their substandard rule.
Posted by: jdubious at November 08, 2006 11:51 AM (+m2eO)
But I hate McCain.
Posted by: Slublog at November 08, 2006 11:51 AM (K9V/A)
Posted by: joeindc44 at November 08, 2006 11:53 AM (SvDDM)
If you need a laugh, this might help.
The site is a bunch of 30 second re-enactments of popular movies. Starring cartoon bunnies.
lauraw, I'm talking to you.
Posted by: Rosetta at November 08, 2006 11:53 AM (CTqCo)
I did my part by voting Republican despite mild disgust with them. I also killed FOUR deer on Saturday- and those damned dirty deer almost ALWAYS vote Democrat. Stupid vegetarians.
Besides, we might actually get to watch Bush veto something now, and still get to look forward to gloriously entertaining government gridlock.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2006 11:53 AM (v8vVW)
Posted by: Sweetie at November 08, 2006 11:56 AM (j4ch8)
Posted by: Time goes backward at November 08, 2006 11:57 AM (Gi7oA)
Posted by: your new Congress at November 08, 2006 11:59 AM (f2Cn+)
Posted by: Nice Deb at November 08, 2006 12:01 PM (APogy)
President Ford: Moderate Republican, lost.
President HW Bush: Moderate Republican, lost.
President GW Bush: Moderate Republican (except on certain social issues), nearly lost, lost the Senate.
President Reagan: Conservative Republican, kicked ass.
People say they want someone in the middle, but I suspect they respect and vote for someone who stands on a consistant principle. It's a myth that you need a "moderate" Republican to gain the votes of swing voters.
Hillary can't win, but a conservative Democrat will likely win over a "moderate" (read: RINO) Republican.
Posted by: Hollowpoint at November 08, 2006 12:04 PM (v8vVW)
I will not shut up and get the fuck in line, and I will demand better from my government, and all the democratic boogeymen in the world, real or imagined, can't change that, no matter how much the GOP partyline thugs try to extort my allegiance.
I'll take 50-75% of what I want (which is what I got from GOP Congressional Leadership) over the 0% I'm going to get from Nancy and Harry.
And you want to know something? 50-75% of what I want in a country this big and this fractious is pretty goddamn good and about the best that conservatives can hope for. And that's the hard, honest truth that a lot of conservatives need to learn.
Even when we "control" the national government, progress is slow, maddening and fraugt with the usual human failings from which republicans are not immune.
Expecting near perfection and pitching a fit when you don't get it isn't the mature thing to do.
But whatever. I'm sure we'll get "true" conservative leadership in 2008. Pssh.
Posted by: AFKAF at November 08, 2006 12:07 PM (ivbbD)
Again, see false alternative, fallacy of.
Was Reagan a RINO?
Nope.
Did he win?
Oh my paws and fucking whiskers, I believe he did. Twice. In epic landslides.
The point here is that between unscrupulous politicians and the rise of triangulation politics, the RINOs (and their dem equivalent, if there is such a critter,) have learned that they can extort maximum concessions (immigration, budget, free speech,) from the the conservatives for minimum acceptable benefit (wot-wouldnt settle for less.)
What we need is a candidate who is fundamentally conservative (at least nat. def. and fiscally) and who can convince moderates to come aboard, instead of the other way around. See Giuliani, Rudy. He's NOT gonna take away your guns, he's NOT gonna touch gay marriage, he's NOT gonna touch Roe, but then, nobody else is either, probably, but he understands the danger and he can communicate it to people who might not otherwise listen.
So, to answer the above rhetorical question,
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO
you don't necessarily need the RINOs, at least not as much as they need you, and they've done a good job of obscuring that fact. But it's true. We need another reagan, a realization that our core values are the nation's and they can win. It's a tall order, but it's a hell of a lot better than the (false) alternative.
Posted by: jdubious at November 08, 2006 12:07 PM (+m2eO)
I'm definitely not in it with you. I've been given 3 tax cuts, a robust economy, the patriot act, elimination of onerous business regulations, two conservative supreme court justices, restoration of military pride, partial birth abortion ban, a border wall, the use of the national guard on the border, funding for Iraq and Afghanistan and protection of my 2nd admendment rights.
I don't like everything that has occurred but then again I didn't like it when Reagan signed the amnesty bill , ran from Lebannon, appointed OConnor or Kennedy, limited my 2nd admendment rights and ran a huge deficit.
Posted by: roc ingersol at November 08, 2006 12:09 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: jdubious at November 08, 2006 12:09 PM (+m2eO)
Yeah, this is what I was going to say....with the current voter demographic, if the Dems put up a decent, non-moonbat (moderate) candidate in 08, we're toast.
Unless something huge happens in the GWOT that makes people start taking it seriously, again.
I guess a lot of voters were too busy watching The Simpsons, or something, to watch Obsession.
Posted by: Nice Deb at November 08, 2006 12:15 PM (APogy)
And remember, Bush didn't lose the Senate because he's moderate. His political leanings had nothing to do with yesterday - the senate was lost because Iraq & the War on Terror is not fairing well, with little domestic gain over 6 years to offset foreign failings.
Posted by: Kallinan at November 08, 2006 12:18 PM (bijvq)
The "Diebold Dean" victory.
When Al Gore finally conceded the 2000 election, he went silent and deadly. Seeing that punch cards were on their way out, he initiated a black box operation to steal touch screen elections. It took six years, but working with internet savvy Howard Dean, the criminals have stolen their first of many.
First there are the touch screens with no paper trail, in thirteen states. These are the easiest. Once the ballot is finalized, a simple IF statement is placed just before the ballot is recorded. Republican quietly becomes Dem. Doug Chapin, Director of Electionline.org tried to bring this to light, but his silence has been bought at a hefty price.
Posted by: Duhgee at November 08, 2006 12:19 PM (1Z12S)
It shows that you have done something, but in reality he can come back after a 2 year "sabbatical" anyways.
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You were wrong, you were bloodied, and you got your clock cleaned. Why on earth would any further analysis or commentary by you have any merit?
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I feel you on the other points, but c'mon, you have to admit these are empty gestures.
And I'm not saying that i'm completely dissatisfied with the R performance. But really, can't we expect better than ney. cunningham, open borders and record spending? It's hard for me to tell someone he should vote for a crook, any crook, because the alternative is worse.
I guess what really gets my goat isn't so much the performance we got, as the tone of many commenters who suggest that we should be satisfied with it.
More specifically, if we understand this election result as being the product of voter dissatifaction with corruption and arrogance, and i think that's correct, it seems to me that the solution should be less corruption and arrogance, not more voter tolerance/indifference to those failings.
Sorry if I went off a bit in the above columns, but the suggestion that the voters were the problem in this election just really sets me off.
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The problem was that this required changes in fundemental values, which weakened their hold on the existing power base, i.e. wooing the hispanic vote by pushing amnesty was an assault on basic conservative principles.
We are not going to beat dems at their own game of pandering to the gimme crowd. Hopefully this will be the lesson learned from last night's defeats, if nothing else.
We can win back our losses over the next 2 years but to exceed pre-04 levels we'll need a new plan, which should be based on one concept - CONSISTENCY.
I'm no military expert but one thing I have learned in my skimmings is - when in doubt, stick with the plan... and be honest about being in doubt - false bravado = ignorance.
If we're serious about fighting terrorism, we stay the course in Iraq, explaining patiently and repeatedly as needed our long term goals and refusing to wobble on them - a general goal remains general regardless of how much Dean and Matthews whine. Hold the friggin line.
We also don't flinch or blink on the subject of border security - and illegal immigration. Item #1 to demonstrate seriousness there is to immediately stop all BS penalizing of border security agents trying to do their job, gratefully accept any grass roots assistance offered ie Minutemen, #2 BUILD THE FRICKIN WALL, #3 enforce existing laws - no we dont have to do mass deportations, just focus on keeping the new waves out.
That's a good start. Charging and prosecuting traitors is another - let the left wail about "McCarthyyyyyyyy" all they want - consistency requires there to be consequences for the flouting of our laws and the selling out of our country - it hurts like a bandaid, ie only because we've let ourselves become so completely wishy washy and unprincipled; the more we do what we say .
Do that, and we will cement our core power base, and gradually attract others who respect us (however grudgingly) for our consistency and principles, because those things translate into strength, and strength is what you bank on.
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Posted by: Mark V. at November 08, 2006 12:49 PM (X5HHU)
I hear ya but cunningham is in jail and ney will be there shortly. Delay was all about false charges and he was still forced out by his own party. Compare this to Jefferson, Melendez, Murtha, Hastings, etc.
The wall and national guard on the border are anything but empty gestures. This is unprecedented and not even a thought on Reagan's mind when he signed the illegal amnesty bill.
I agree that you should never be satisfied with your elected officials and should hold their feet to the fire but I think it is wrong to cut off your nose to spite your face. That said, whose to say that those that normally vote republican that did not, did so with anything other than future good intentions. I just disagree with them.
Posted by: roc ingersol at November 08, 2006 12:56 PM (m2CN7)
Over? Did you say Over?!? Nothing is over until we ...ahhhh, fuck it.
Posted by: wiser-bluto at November 08, 2006 01:08 PM (AQGeh)
Well, that's helpful. Glad we are getting that kind o leadership from the new majority.
Posted by: Drew at November 08, 2006 01:13 PM (gNyUT)
The media and Democrats will insure the loss of any war America engages in, so that war needs to be quick, nasty, and extremely destructive with no or few troops on the ground.
That makes nuclear warfare pretty much the ideal method of fighting except for ,you know, the whole idea of nuclear warfare.
So, the US has just adopted France's preferred method of warfare as exemplified by Chirac over the last few years: bluster about our atomic weaponry, make a few half-assed military stabs at nothing, generally surrender overall.
Great. I think I'll go eat a croissant and drink a glass of Bourdeaux to salute those poor bastards killed in Iraq and their grieving families. The Dems stabbed them in the back and Bush was to fucking lazy to make the case to the American people and fight a hard, tough war, instead of this kumbiya-with-the-religion of peace-born-again-passive-aggressive-bullshit.
Au revoir, mes amis.
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And I will add, that just like I blame the Europeans for ignoring radical Islam and allowing it to infiltrate and begin to destroy Europe, I blame the American public for helping put us on a similar path.
Sure, Bush could have done a better job of communicating this threat. But this is supposed to be a representative democracy not a kingdom. It's the duty of the people to understand the issues and direct the leadership, not the other way around. The people have spoken and they have proven they do not understand the threat.
I wonder what Iran is thinking this morning?
Posted by: JackStraw at November 08, 2006 01:27 PM (t+mja)
Dumbass.
And democrats do, by and large, stick with their guys, regardless of whether or not they are thrilled with them on every issue. Better than republicans do, anyway.
Regardless, do any of you polyester wearing, pocket-constitution waving, zoning board disrupting douches have any conception of taking half or a quarter loaf and an opportunity to come back for more later, over taking nothing and liking it?
Your self regard and ideological purity is brilliant in its spotless impotence.
Can't wait to see how much more in taxes I'll be paying soon. Can't wait to get Amnesty on Steroids. Who's gonna win the pulitzer prize for a photograph of the last helicopter out of Baghdad?
But you guys "sent a message" to those corrupt Republicans didn't you? News Flash: you will never get the perfect or even near perfect gov't you pine for and now? You may never get back even the shite GOP gov't you had before yesterday.
I'm gonna wallow in this Allah-inspired pessimism for a while. I can see why he was on this tip for so long. It's comfortable.
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WHITE HOUSE: PRESIDENT BUSH WILL MAKE 'SIGNIFICANT ANNOUNCEMENT' AT 1 PM ET...
Any predictions?
Posted by: IreneFingIrene at November 08, 2006 01:41 PM (s7Ian)
GOP lied...about being tough.
Dems spoke the truth...about being pussies.
Voters chose honesty. Scared yet?
Posted by: at November 08, 2006 01:44 PM (Gi7oA)
Bank on it happening. We just demonstrated the same kind of weakness Clinton did in Somalia, and everyone knows how that emboldened OBL on to bigger and better exploits.
The jihad is coming to CONUS.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 08, 2006 01:48 PM (c/i49)
You win games through strategies. You take what you have and you amplify it.
But America is not a game. Elections are not about winning through trickery.
They are about connecting with the American people through promising ideas and practical successes.
This is why the Republicans failed. Instead of trying to win through good ideas, they tried to win by little tricks, word puzzles, focus groups, and strong arm tactics in the House. They thought they could get away with being intellectually and morally lazy if they just smeared their opponents hard enough.
If they had done their jobs, we wouldn't be in this situtation.
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Kevin and Britney will reconcile and be spokespersons for the marriage admendment.
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Enough talking about yesterday. What is our plan for next two years? I have some suggestions.
What are our highest priorities? 1. Execute the Iraq war with victory, not defeat in mind. 2. Make sure only strict constructionists judges end up in Supreme court.
1. Iraq: Dems will try to defund the war. Retaliate by taking out that 2-3 year old quietly shelved document that recommended a list of old/unneeded Military bases throughout the country. Those bases serve as nothing but employment centers for various districts. Make a smaller list out of these that only include bases in blue areas. Bush should declare that Iraq war will go on even on a reduced Pentagon budget, and to cut costs he is closing these bases. Let Dem congressmen live with economic harm to their constituents as a result of their legislation. Will he be branded as a partisan? Yes. Is there ANYTHING he has done that has not been termed partisan?
NEWSFLASH: Rumsfeld to resign
2. If one of the supremes croaks, propose someone ideologically similar to John Roberts. If Dems oppose, let them filibuster for a few months, withdraw, and propose someone like Alito. repeat. Ratchet it up with Scalia like and then Thomas like. Make absolutely clear that another Souter will not soil the seat of highest court.
Posted by: Tushar D at November 08, 2006 02:00 PM (h76y6)
Posted by: William Howard Taft at November 08, 2006 02:27 PM (hNyWr)
Unfortunately, now that the Dems are in power, expect them to win in 2008 as well.
What's that - people will notice their pathetic leadership and lack of a Plan? Not the majority of the US ppulation, apparently. For one thing, they have severe ADD. And of course the MSM will cover up all their faults.
This is a black day for the civilized world.
Posted by: Another Infidel at November 08, 2006 02:53 PM (u+Jtv)
For that we need a Tom Tancredo. It is past time the Conservatives with spines get out of this Party of Stupidity and Cowardice and form a new clean Party.
And while we are about it, why not have a referendum to partition the US for once and for all into Blue and Red parts, with separate governments and laws? Let the Lefty fools live in their barricaed-off Utopian paradise. And ignore their screams and whimpers when the inevitable happens.
Make no mistake, these Leftists (aka the Dems) will be the cause of a lot of real bloodshed in both USA and around the world, as well as the frequent appearance of mushrooms hither and yon.
God, did W ever let the world down ...
Posted by: Another Infidel at November 08, 2006 03:09 PM (u+Jtv)
Horrible idea. It would make the president look like a heartless scumbag to cut back on the military in order to pursue an unpopular pet project.
Plus, it abuses military communities and uses soldiers as pawns.
Maybe the best move would be to do what Murtha proposed initially: Discuss plans other than "Stay the Course." Surely, the White House can come up with something better than an election year slogan now that Rumsfeld is being replaced by someone smarter.
Posted by: Well at November 08, 2006 04:09 PM (1WdUw)
Well (you should choose a better nickname, IMO)
Really? A horrible idea to implement the ideas of an independent panel that drew up a list of old/obsolete Military bases (like old SAC airfields, old Missile Silos with no missiles in them, but guarded nonetheless)?
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Posted by: Toby928 at November 08, 2006 05:45 PM (ATbKm)
Reality (yes, that thing you GOPers have zero clue about) dictates that we reacted poorly to 9/11 by attacking Iraq. Bush being Bush drove everyone else but the most wing-nutty of you away from him.
I'm not one to gloat, because the damage Bush and the other morons have done is too much to think about. All we can do now is to move forward.
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Posted by: DKShideler on November 8, 2006 08:47 AM
Counterinsurgency campaigns and reconstruction efforts also don't operate on a stay-the-course-that's-not-working policy either. Thing about a smoke screen is that it *IS* hiding the true plan.
WTF do you think is hidden behind the screen currently ?
I'll even accept "Jesus" as an answer. Fuck it that's where I'm starting and as far as I've got in trying to imagine what could magically change the inevitable result of the current campaign.
You're talking as though the reconstruction hasn't already been botched, the insurgency wasn't already let grow to a point where it isn't even containable let alone defeatable, the civil conflict hasn't spun out of control and because of all this the political capital of America in Iraq's capital hasn't already been replaced by domestic powers.
Withdrawal doesn't constitute defeat. It just constitutes admission of defeat. If you really want to pretend that defeat hasn't already occurred and that exiting before the job is done is something other than inevitable well...
....then buck up son, the Republicans could still hold on to the House yet.
Write you congressman and tell him he hasn't lost his seat if he just barricades himself in his office and pretends he's still got a chance.
Posted by: Tank at November 09, 2006 06:01 AM (aOeXm)
I am a county GOP chairman. I spoke with the GOP Chairman in my state on election night. He congrtulated me on several local wins, then his EXACT words were "Get to work."
How true!!!
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