Now That It's Out...

He was 18 at the time. Correction: HotAir notes he was 17 during some conversations, 18 during others.

This doesn't make it right. It does, however, turn it from a case of the criminal to a case of the strongly socially disapproved. It's a firing offense (or, here, a resigning offense), to be sure, but not a criminal offense-- but boy, did the MSM present it as the latter.

Does this mean Mark Foley isn't a scumbag? No, he still is, and he's still an embarrassment to the party. However, the page in question's age has now crept slightly closer to the age of Monica Lewinsky, whose affair with a sitting president, we're told in no uncertain terms, was no one's business but their own.

PoliPundit notes, now that ABCNews has already flooded the zone with erroneous information, that the "boy" here was actually a "young man."

Radar jumps on the fake blog story, and notes it seems connected to the Daily Kos, through a poster calling himself "WHIntern."

Dan Riehl points out that Kos has WHIntern's IP, and could break a little news if he wanted to. But of course he won't, because WHIntern is most likely a DNC hack or a gay liberal blogger.

As far as I can tell, the Passionate American put all this together first. At least that's where I first saw it. I didn't mention it (sorry), because he mentioned the name of the young man involved, which I thought was dicey.

But it's out there now, and there's hardly any point pretending anyone doesn't know the name, or can't quickly get it if they so choose.

Again, Mark Foley's behavior was, to harken back to the 90's, "simply reprehensible." However, that's hardly a reason to juice the story up further than the fact will support.

And... This is important, because without any clear criminality or anything approaching pedophilia, it limits what Denny Hastert could have reasonably been expected to do.

Posted by: Ace at 10:44 PM

Comments

1 Were any of the dirty e-mails sent when he was 17? Or were those all sent when he was 18? Should we believe what ABC tells us at all? I need a different source.

Hey, thanks for being honest with us, ABC--you hacks and liars.

Posted by: z ryan at October 04, 2006 10:49 PM (zqgUK)

2 A quick perusal of the MSM shows they are still stuck on the original storyline.

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 10:50 PM (zJ/lR)

3 From what I have read, the talk about going to his house for a drink was when the guy was 17.

But the sex during a House vote was when the guy was 18.

ABC has some explaining to do.

Posted by: Jane at October 04, 2006 10:54 PM (ciaQq)

4 Man, am I already tired of all this. I think some other scandal is going to dominate the news before we get to November. This one seems to be running itself into the ground pretty quickly.

Posted by: Frank J. at October 04, 2006 10:55 PM (ND1d/)

5 Folks, they are the DRIVE BY MEDIA

"The mainstream media … are drive-by shooters. This is exactly what they are. They pull up to a congested area; they spray a hail of bullets into the crowd, causes mass hysteria, mass confusion, mistakes and misinterpretation. Sometimes people or their careers actually die. The mainstream media then smirks and pats itself on the back, says, "Look what we can do," and they ride away unnoticed in the excitement. They are never blamed; they are never held accountable. In fact, they are lauded, they are held up as heroes, mostly by themselves. But they are. They just troll around looking for any issue they can to get everybody all worked up, creating hysteria. It is like a drive-by shooter. It's like road rage every day. That's what the mainstream press has become."
-Rush Limbaugh

ABC is just a bunch of liars. What disgraces! This wasn't some slip or error, this is ABC taking effort they should be into gathering and disseminating information and instead putting it into trying to put one over on you. They put EFFORT into it.

Posted by: z ryan at October 04, 2006 10:57 PM (zqgUK)

6 Maf54 (7:46:33 PM): did any girl give you a haand job this weekend

Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:38 PM): lol no

Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:40 PM): im single right now

Xxxxxxxxx (7:46:57 PM): my last gf and i broke up a few weeks agi

Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): are you

Maf54 (7:47:11 PM): good so your getting horny

Xxxxxxxxx (7:47:29 PM): lol…a bit

Maf54 (7:48:00 PM): did you spank it this weekend yourself

Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:04 PM): no

Xxxxxxxxx (7:48:16 PM): been too tired and too busy

Maf54 (7:48:33 PM): wow…

Maf54 (7:48:34 PM): i am never to busy haha

Posted by: maf54@aol.com at October 04, 2006 10:58 PM (HeI5n)

7 Foley's office and the Republicans should probably get some of the blame for the information problem. After all, they presumably knew the page's age. They've handled this terribly. PR gaffes that cost votes make me CRAZY! They're stupid, avoidable mistakes.

Posted by: Gabriel Malor at October 04, 2006 11:00 PM (5sI31)

8 Doesn't matter,

The broadcasts, and the 24 hour news networks have focused on this, other than Fox, wich PROVES they are conservative, or rather not obsessive schills for the left, but Fox is a conservative arm, because they like to VALIDATE salacious material before reporting it, but thats the same as they being right wing HACKS, as far as the unvalidated information that the left shares with the media, and ODDLY ENOUGH! the media, other than fox shares it as though it's fact.

Who'd'a'thunk?

Chris Matthews spent 3 nights, consecutavely focusing on foley, after he spent 9 nights consecutavely on Macaca.

Yeah, the media is focused on "Truth" not the aristotlean concept of truth, but FUCK THAT! Aristotle didn't win any elections in the last 20 years.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 04, 2006 11:03 PM (QTv8u)

9 Maf54 (8:08:31 PM): get a ruler and measure it for me

Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:38 PM): ive already told you that

Maf54 (8:08:47 PM): tell me again

Xxxxxxxxx (8:08:49 PM): 7 and 1/2

Maf54 (8:09:04 PM): ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

Maf54 (8:09:08 PM): beautiful

Xxxxxxxxx (8:09:38 PM): lol

Maf54 (8:09:44 PM): thats a great size

Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:00 PM): thank you

Maf54 (8:10:22 PM): still stiff

Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:28 PM): ya

Maf54 (8:10:40 PM): take it out

Xxxxxxxxx (8:10:54 PM): brb…my mom is yelling

Maf54 (8:11:06 PM): ok

Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:02 PM): back

Maf54 (8:14:37 PM): cool hope se didnt see any thing

Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:54 PM): no no

Posted by: maf54@aol.com at October 04, 2006 11:04 PM (HeI5n)

10 z ryan,

I prefer INTENTIONAL HIT AND RUN DRIVERS. Select your target, drive into it full speed and then move on.

I have in the past said that our real enemy is the msm; I will add that the msm is actively, knowingly evil.

Posted by: max at October 04, 2006 11:05 PM (AyRZl)

11 "I will add that the msm is actively, knowingly evil."

Oh definately. They are liars--very deliberate liars. Lies and deception are the tools of evil. Know them by the fruits that they bear.

Posted by: z ryan at October 04, 2006 11:11 PM (zqgUK)

12 Yes, we get it, "maf54@aol.com," Foley is a scumbag.

An honest media, however, would look at all aspects of this story.

Unfortunately, it seems we don't have one of those.

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 11:12 PM (zJ/lR)

Gosh darn it, I don't give a flip. 17, 18, I don't care. Foley is scum, end of story. As I said on another thread last night, They all knew. And that's the fallout in this situation. Denny may be gone, as the house. The questionable e-mails alone were enough to remove him from the exploited children chairmanship. You can't just sweep this crap under the rug. Stuff comes back to haunt you.

Bang my head against a wall, cuz I can.

Posted by: Ixnay at October 04, 2006 11:12 PM (6/PRN)

14 I'm seriously intrigued - has anyone actually read the stuff on stopsexpredators.blogspot.com? Seriously looked at the language? I'm telling you now, it's either a Glenn Greenwald sockpuppet writing on that site or he's got a doppleganger out there.

Analysis of the writing style is pure Glenn:

"I have been reading with interest various discussions"

( passive backing into the lead - a journalism trick to lend credibility to the message)

" with regard to Congressman Mark Foley. I am a White House Intern"

(I've written a Best Selling Book too... Glenn's posts are notable in how he boxes shadows - as if he's got to put his title up front because he knows deep down he's unworthy)

"I was shocked by what I found."

(Yes, SHOCKED. Good DAY sir! Feigning strong emotional response. Again, shadow boxing)

The language, word choice, bizarre self-loathing behavior requiring specific oddities in language construction, etc. all scream Glenn.

Is it possible our favorite conservative-gay loathing sockpuppet freak has struck again? Read those posts and go look at Glenn's posts one more time. It'll creap you out.

redherkey

Posted by: redherkey at October 04, 2006 11:18 PM (M3g9C)

15 I think Ixnay is right, but i can't help but ask (I am not that smart), is this gay in the good way or gay in the bad way ?

Posted by: sockpuppet in training at October 04, 2006 11:19 PM (JQFcC)

16 I'd still like to know where its says its illegal to talk dirty on the Internet.

Another thing, did Foley ever actually have sex with any of these "kids"

Posted by: Iblis at October 04, 2006 11:21 PM (zefis)

17 Maf54 (7:53:54 PM): do you really do it face down

Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:03 PM): ya

Maf54 (7:54:13 PM): kneeling

Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:31 PM): well i dont use my hand…i use the bed itself

Maf54 (7:54:31 PM): where do you unload it

Xxxxxxxxx (7:54:36 PM): towel

Maf54 (7:54:43 PM): really

Maf54 (7:55:02 PM): completely naked?

Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:12 PM): well ya

Maf54 (7:55:21 PM): very nice

Xxxxxxxxx (7:55:24 PM): lol

Maf54 (7:55:51 PM): cute butt bouncing in the air

Posted by: maf54@aol.com at October 04, 2006 11:25 PM (HeI5n)

18 If the guy's 18, a little naughty IM is nothing. It's not like there's a stained blue dress or hide-the-cigar in the Oval Office here.

Hell, even at 16 he's at the age of consent in a lot of places.

Posted by: TallDave at October 04, 2006 11:25 PM (H8Wgl)

19 Could we maybe get rid of the guy posting the IMs? We've all stipulated that Foley was a dirtbag and reposting them adds nothing to the discussion.

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 11:29 PM (zJ/lR)

20 Further digging... Greenwald is acting coy on this. His latest update shows some steering of the media and definite "sitting back and enjoying the roaring fire we started" observations:

http://glenngreenwald.blogspot.com/2006/10/various-foley-scandal-items.html

The silver bullet is that Greenwald is apparently torching Republicans for defining the age of consent at 18, not 16 as Greenwald feels it should be. Per Greenwald's own writing:

"Republicans drew the line of age of consent at 18 when, with overwhelming support, they enacted the "Adam Walsh Child Protection and Safety Act of 2006," which the President signed into law (with Mark Foley standing behind him). By definition, then, they consider the acts in which Foley apparently engaged to be criminal. They even enhanced the penalties for this conduct. For those purposes, it doesn't really matter what states have designated as the age of consent because House Republicans have declared it to be a federal crime to solicit or discuss sexual acts with someone under the age of 18."

So Republicans are going to learn the hard way not to mess with Greenwald? It wouldn't be a crime, except you Right-Wingers had to make it one, so now you'll learn? Serves you right for being Gay and Right?

We need to keep digging on Greenwald... his handwriting is all over this one. Read how close he is to the issue - just as an arson investigator is quick to examine those who are unusually curious about the fire, Glenn's proximity and knowledge has some explaining to do.

http://www.inblogs.net/GlennGreenwald/

redherkey

Posted by: redherkey at October 04, 2006 11:33 PM (M3g9C)

21 maf54: Wanna join me in a cigar, big fella?

Tastes pretty good.

While we smoke, we can talk pussy. Or I'll talk pussy, and you can talk cock.

Fuck those people who say you can't talk dirty on the Internet. Fuck 'em like a tiparillo.

Posted by: Bill Clinton at October 04, 2006 11:36 PM (BPhem)

22 Maf54 (7:59:48 PM): is your little guy limp…or growing

Xxxxxxxxx (7:59:54 PM): eh growing

Maf54 (8:00:00 PM): hmm

Maf54 (8:00:12 PM): so you got a stiff one now

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:19 PM): not that fast

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:20 PM): hey

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:32 PM): so you have a fetich

Maf54 (8:00:32 PM): hey what

Xxxxxxxxx (8:00:40 PM): fetish**

Maf54 (8:00:43 PM): like

Maf54 (8:00:53 PM): i like steamroom

Posted by: maf54@aol.com at October 04, 2006 11:38 PM (HeI5n)

23 It's on Drudge, which means everyone knows now that we are dealing with the creepiness, but not illegal. Didn't the FBI look into this over the summer? Dude was scum and now he's gone. ABC is shown to be sprucing up their story and now look like liars. This story will make all the rounds on the talk radio, blogs and water coolers tomorrow. Even if the MSM tries to ignore it, it won't go away. Nice try to eff up the midterms ABC. Really, I will be sure to believe your next salacious rumor printed as fact. Based on "anonymous"sources, of course.

PS. Criminal Minds was really good tonight.
Lost better start bringing it. That is all.

Posted by: Stormy70 at October 04, 2006 11:41 PM (SXQle)

24 Care to make a point, coward?

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 11:43 PM (nyHGY)

25 Sorry, Stormy. That wasn't aimed at you.

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 11:43 PM (nyHGY)

26 Care to make a point, coward?

Maf54 (8:01:21 PM): i am hard as a rock..so tell me when your reaches rock

Posted by: maf54@aol.com at October 04, 2006 11:46 PM (HeI5n)

27 Fine, whatever.

Do what you want. You're so clever, reminding us of what we already know, have acknowledged and have expressed our opinion about.

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 11:48 PM (nyHGY)

28 Criminal Minds? Lost?

South Park, Stormy, South Park. Oh, and new Mythbusters next week. Anyone know when House starts up again?

Oh, and never trust the media.

The guy that keeps posting as Foley, you are a laugh riot...wait, no, you aren't, your routine is pathetic.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 04, 2006 11:48 PM (UH/Lq)

29 Stormy - I thought Lost was good tonight. Whatshisname - the guy who plays jack? Nice acting on his part.

And his ex-wife's line "now you have something to fix."

Ouch.

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 11:50 PM (nyHGY)

30 The sexual encounters generally occurred in or near the private study off the Oval Office -- most often in the windowless hallway outside the study.(36) During many of their sexual encounters, the President stood leaning against the doorway of the bathroom across from the study, which, he told Ms. Lewinsky, eased his sore back.(37)

Ms. Lewinsky testified that her physical relationship with the President included oral sex but not sexual intercourse.(3

According to Ms. Lewinsky, she performed oral sex on the President; he never performed oral sex on her.(39) Initially, according to Ms. Lewinsky, the President would not let her perform oral sex to completion. In Ms. Lewinsky's understanding, his refusal was related to "trust and not knowing me well enough."(40) During their last two sexual encounters, both in 1997, he did ejaculate.(41)

Posted by: Bubba at October 04, 2006 11:53 PM (rZ5uY)

31 Sinistar, a new House was on tonight. I would guess House starts up again after baseball... October 23rd or so, maybe?

Posted by: The Hort at October 04, 2006 11:54 PM (P4I9d)

32 According to Ms. Lewinsky, she performed oral sex on the President on nine occasions. On all nine of those occasions, the President fondled and kissed her bare breasts. He touched her genitals, both through her underwear and directly, bringing her to orgasm on two occasions. On one occasion, the President inserted a cigar into her vagina. On another occasion, she and the President had brief genital-to-genital contact.(42)

Posted by: Bubba at October 04, 2006 11:54 PM (rZ5uY)

33 Maf54 (8:03:02 PM): ha thats wild

Xxxxxxxxx (8:03:14 PM): ya but now im hard

Maf54 (8:03:32 PM): me 2

Maf54 (8:03:42 PM): cast got you going

Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing

Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes

Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts

Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge

Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM): ya

Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um

Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you

Posted by: maf54@aol.com at October 04, 2006 11:54 PM (HeI5n)

Slublog,

I'll bet you he's our little friend from Chicago. If he actually posts something of his own, we'll know right away because of the misspelled words.

Imbreds, HA!

Posted by: Nice Deb at October 04, 2006 11:55 PM (9ftXk)

35 Ms. Lewinsky testified: "[W]e spent hours on the phone talking."(60) Their telephone conversations were "[s]imilar to what we discussed in person, just how we were doing. A lot of discussions about my job, when I was trying to come back to the White House and then once I decided to move to New York. . . . We talked about everything under the sun."(61) On 10 to 15 occasions, she and the President had phone sex.(62) After phone sex late one night, the President fell asleep mid-conversation.(63)

Posted by: Bubba at October 04, 2006 11:55 PM (rZ5uY)

36 D'oh! Missed it. House kicks ass. If it was on during South Park, thats a problem. South Park was funny tonight. Not the best one, but good for morons like us.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 04, 2006 11:58 PM (UH/Lq)

37 Breaking News: MediaBistro is reporting that ABC has erased one of their (now apparently proven bogus) Foley stories.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 04, 2006 11:58 PM (gAZzN)

38
Out of concern about being seen, the sexual encounters most often occurred in the windowless hallway outside the study.(113) According to Ms. Lewinsky, the President was concerned that the two of them might be spotted through a White House window. When they were in the study together in the evenings, he sometimes turned out the light.(114) Once, when she spotted a gardener outside the study window, they left the room.(115) Ms. Lewinsky testified that, on December 28, 1997, "when I was getting my Christmas kiss" in the doorway to the study, the President was "looking out the window with his eyes wide open while he was kissing me and then I got mad because it wasn't very romantic." He responded, "Well, I was just looking to see to make sure no one was out there."(116

Posted by: Bubba at October 04, 2006 11:59 PM (rZ5uY)

39 I don't think it's ryan. This troll has been here before - simply a parrot, or a seagull. Honestly, I've had it with the trolls on this site. I'm a few troll-jacked threads away from returning to lurker status.

Posted by: Slublog at October 04, 2006 11:59 PM (nyHGY)

40 OK, this is going to either get real funny or become a real annoying spam war. South Park's on again if you missed it.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 05, 2006 12:01 AM (UH/Lq)

41 Fear of discovery constrained their sexual encounters in several respects, according to Ms. Lewinsky. The President ordinarily kept the door between the private hallway and the Oval Office several inches ajar during their encounters, both so that he could hear if anyone approached and so that anyone who did approach would be less likely to suspect impropriety.(117) During their sexual encounters, Ms. Lewinsky testified, "[W]e were both aware of the volume and sometimes . . . I bit my hand -- so that I wouldn't make any noise."(11

On one occasion, according to Ms. Lewinsky, the President put his hand over her mouth during a sexual encounter to keep her quiet.(119) Concerned that they might be interrupted abruptly, according to Ms. Lewinsky, the two of them never fully undressed.(120)

Posted by: Bubba at October 05, 2006 12:02 AM (rZ5uY)

42 Aw, c'mon Slubbo, its not too bad.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 05, 2006 12:03 AM (UH/Lq)

43 Just so I'm clear...

Does this boil down to nothing more than e-mail sex between consenting adults?

Am I missing anything?...Something?

Posted by: franksalterego at October 05, 2006 12:04 AM (13cYB)

44 Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake

Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab

Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM): not tonight…dont get to excited

Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard

Xxxxxxxxx (8:07:45 PM): that is true

Maf54 (8:08:03 PM): and a little horny

Posted by: maf54@aol.com at October 05, 2006 12:04 AM (HeI5n)

45 It's bad enough. I've enjoyed a lot of discussions here, but lately, the threads have just been spammed with comments by people who simply repeat talking points, ad hominem, or just post salacious nonsense like our friend in this thread.

It's just tiring. I'm just thinking I need to take some time off, that's all.

Posted by: Slublog at October 05, 2006 12:06 AM (nyHGY)

46 You are right, it is getting a little bad. What the hell. Fortunately a lot of them spam essentially dead comments. Wonder what is causing the draw.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 05, 2006 12:08 AM (UH/Lq)

47 This is probably a little too lowbrow for all of you following the AoS^tm lifetstyle, but the best line I have seen out of his whole debacle is from liberal larry

Rep. Mark Foley (R-FL) is a closet homosexual who used his position of power to lure impressionable young boys into obscene online chats. Yet in spite of all that, it turns out he is actually a bad person

Posted by: sockpuppet in training at October 05, 2006 12:09 AM (JQFcC)

48 Slublog - I did like the premier of Lost, but my one quibble was: Where was my Naveen?! Looks like he will be back next week. The whispering intercom with the "Let it go, Jack" was nifty, too. And I always enjoy Sawyer on the screen.

As for the IM troll, I just scroll down and don't even read them.

ABC is lying and a blogger busted them for it. The outing by hard-left activists just pisses people off. They are damning their cause.

Posted by: Stormy70 at October 05, 2006 12:12 AM (SXQle)

49 I try to just ignore it too.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 05, 2006 12:13 AM (UH/Lq)

50 Takes two to IM. Entrapment. And deffinately question the timing.

Posted by: splashtc at October 05, 2006 12:14 AM (6dmfZ)

51 The only thing about Lost that was slightly hard to take?

SPOILER ALERT

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.

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"Ben"

I really liked the name "Henry Gale." It had a sinister feel to it.

Despite that, the actor who plays him remains one of my favorite on the show.

Posted by: Slublog at October 05, 2006 12:14 AM (nyHGY)

Agree my friends. I'm going back to the boob thread. wp and nicedeb are making out big time. Or maybe something on food tv or discovery. I have such an exciting life.

You other guys, drop dead, ..........now.

Posted by: Ixnay at October 05, 2006 12:15 AM (6/PRN)

53 keeping it nice and stupid, how do I keep html tag from getting stripped from my posts ? They lose a certain....gravitas without them.

Posted by: sockpuppet in training at October 05, 2006 12:15 AM (JQFcC)

54 Tags*

Posted by: sockpuppet in training at October 05, 2006 12:17 AM (JQFcC)

55 Sockpuppet - use the new comment thingy URL instead of the regular.

http://minx.cc/?post=199456

Posted by: Slublog at October 05, 2006 12:19 AM (nyHGY)

56 Henry Gale was the dead guy with the balloon, so he had to have another name. Henry Gale does roll off the tongue.
The actor is good at the menacing, sinistery looks.

Posted by: Stormy70 at October 05, 2006 12:23 AM (SXQle)

57 DouCHE14 (8:09:53 PM): can I ask you a ?

Xxxxxxxxx (8:010:12 PM): sure

DouCHE14 (8:11:12 PM): cause I'm not sure

Xxxxxxxxx (8:12:45 PM): sure about what?

DouCHE14 (8:13:03 PM): hold on, let me upload the image

Xxxxxxxxx (8:13:45 PM): ok

*file upload complete

DouCHE14 (8:14:3

: Does this look infected to you?

Xxxxxxxxx (8:14:14 PM): GAH!

Posted by: DouCHE14 at October 05, 2006 12:30 AM (IzIq1)

58 The actor is good at the menacing, sinistery looks.

And his voice is equally menacing.

This could be a good season.

And with that, off.

Posted by: Slublog at October 05, 2006 12:33 AM (nyHGY)

DouCHE14,

I'm still laughing!

Posted by: Nice Deb at October 05, 2006 12:39 AM (9ftXk)

60 Ace, you gotta give some of the Co-bloggers a little liberty to drop the banhammer on these spammers.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 05, 2006 12:40 AM (UH/Lq)

61 Douche 14 gross, yet hilarious.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 05, 2006 12:48 AM (UH/Lq)

FWIW: Rahm Emanuel is rumored to have gotten the IMs from the bogus blog folks months ago and gave them to George Stephanopoulos who gave them to Brian Ross. One of the players in the little fiasco is also tied to David Corn.

Also, Fordham is possibly tied to blackmail issues in which he resigned from his other cong staff position. And that blackmail possibly tracks back to Aravosis and Rogers.

http://www.macsmind.com/wordpress/

http://strata-sphere.com/blog/

Looks like the Clinton Dirty Tricks machine is back in action.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 05, 2006 01:34 AM (6YRS5)

63 Ace: To recap the Foley scandal: A 6 term Republican congressman known to be gay decides to retire but is asked by the House leadership to run again in 2006 and does so. He is then kneecapped by Democratic operatives late in the election scycle (typical October surprise) who have either been black mailing him or attempting to black mail him (Gatewaypundit,com). The kneecapping is acomplished by revealing internet chat conversations that the Democrats stole by getting the congressman's internet I.D. from another gay Republican staffer. These internet conversations were characterized as "molesting/ sexual harrassing" and of course criminal. It then becomes obvious that the "boy victim" was actually 18 at the time of many of the internet conversations and that no molesting actually occurred. The MSM deliberately misrepresent the age of the "victim". The MSM and Rahm Emmanuel (head of the Democrats Congressional reelection committee)knew about the internet chats for many months before revealing them 4 weeks before the election. Some commentators say the withholding of this information is possibly a criminal matter (why I don't know). Have I missed anything in this story? If I haven't, then how is this Foleygate scandal any less bogus that the Dan Rather Bush national guard memo scandal of 2004? Isn't this just a repeat of the phony manufactured scandals that the MSM are becoming infamous for? Am I missing something here?

Posted by: pendelton at October 05, 2006 02:20 AM (NQSCc)

64 Pendleton: Looks like you got it to me. Except to add that it seems there will be more "outings" over the next several weeks and the dems and msm will again pop the oven door open on their souffle and it will collapse in a heap of shit.

Posted by: Stephanie at October 05, 2006 02:56 AM (6YRS5)

65 Even if he wasn't 18, what was the age of consent in the jursidiction where the IMs occurred? What is the drinking age where this occurred? The only impropriety (as opposed to a crime) may have been inviting someone under the drinking age for a drink.

Posted by: Bernard at October 05, 2006 06:47 AM (Dnpcn)

I have to say there is a double standard for hetero and homo in regard to what is considered perverted when speaking of age. I'm speaking of course of the only looking and not touching category. How many blog discussions were there in regard to the Olsen twins and a countdown to when they would turn 18. Most playboy centerfolds are 30 to 40 years younger than the men who buy the mag. Britney Spears, Christiana Aguilara, Jessica Simpson were pre 18 when they first became 'sex' symbols. I'm sure older homos have the same sort of attraction to this age group. Its when the line is crossed from innocent fantasy to a pursuit of physical contact when issues arise. Is that pursuit more prevalant in gay community?

In the case of Foley he attempted to cross that line and more troubling for me was he was using his position of power to do this. Is the same happening with female pages?

Posted by: roc ingersol at October 05, 2006 09:26 AM (m2CN7)

67 Predictably, the Democrats and MSM (but I repeat myself) are totally overplaying their hand on this.

Posted by: AFKAF at October 05, 2006 09:52 AM (DXjVU)

68 It was if, all at once, the voices of a million democrats screamed out and then went silent.

Studds would IMit.

Posted by: Smiley Joe at October 05, 2006 09:58 AM (s8okh)

69 O.K., but will someone clue in Pelosi. She and her worldly wanker accomplices pervert the Constitution daily by usurping authority that legitimately belongs to the GOP *true majority* elected by we the people to set policy and lead.

/ chum

Posted by: shark at October 05, 2006 10:05 AM (0tqZT)

70 Isn't the real damage here that if the GOP lose the majority in Congress they'll believe it's because of Foley and not their betrayal of their base? I really could give a shit about the GOP, frankly, but if they take the wrong message from a November defeat, that would be a tragedy.

Posted by: spongeworthy at October 05, 2006 10:20 AM (uSomN)

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Posted by: Nice Deb at October 05, 2006 10:51 AM (9ftXk)

72 They're mostly clinically retarded.

If they loose in November they'll probably take it as a sign that they need to negotiate surrender to Iran.

If they win in November they'll probably take it as a sign they need to negotiate surrender to Mexico.

Posted by: Entropy at October 05, 2006 11:04 AM (m6c4H)

73 Asking what a GOP politician might randomly decide to do is kinda like asking how my dog would react if I took a pencil eraser and shoved it up her ass.

We really won't know until we try.

Whatever happens I don't expect it to be logical or predictable.

Posted by: Entropy at October 05, 2006 11:07 AM (m6c4H)

74 If they retain congress I figure they will continue to pass the tools needed to fight against terrorism over the democrats objections. They probably will also extend the tax cuts while fighting off any attempt to nationalize healthcare. Hopefully they will also be in a position to push through Bush's next nominee to the SC if or when that happens. They may be retards but they are retards that are mostly on my side.

Posted by: roc ingersol at October 05, 2006 11:49 AM (m2CN7)

You got that right, Roc.

Entropy...............;*sigh*

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76 The joke is pretending that there was only one page here. We know there was multiple pages that Foley went after. The fact that not all of Foley's communications occurred before the page turned 18 does not excuse those that did. Furthermore, we know of other times when the page was under 18 when other emails or IMs were sent. Several sources now say the the Leadership was told two or three years ago about Foley's inappropriate approaches of underage children.

And if you want to go back to the 90s, the House did alot without 'clear criminality' then.

Posted by: PantsB at October 05, 2006 02:32 PM (98CTC)

77 the talk about going to his house for a drink was when the guy was 17.
But the sex during a House vote was when the guy was 18.

ABC has some explaining to do.
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Er no... that'd be you doing the explaining.
Specifically WTF is there a number in that sentence for ? Is it mentioned because it has significance ? If so what is it ?

I mean after all, there may be dozens of congressmen interrupting house votes to beat off in front of their computers without any assistance from internet partners. If we could just nail this down they could all be free to engage a certain age bracket of internet user for assistance in reaching the climax of legislative responsibility.

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