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A Little Late Afternoon Freak-Out
Ah, that was fun.
I suppose this is just one guy talking, and an irrelevant one at that. I also suppose that what Bill Frist floats as a trial balloon is Nancy Pelosi's concrete plan. I guess I'm still on the team. But it's pretty clear to me that it's not just the Democrats that don't get it; it's a good number of the Republicans too. It's also clear to me the GOP is pretty determined to lose this election, and there's little that pundits, bloggers, or voters can do sway their minds. They've been admirably upfront, I guess, about their intention to give power back to the Democrats for at least a year now, if not more; I suppose they can at least be credited with being more or less honest about wanting to return to minority status. George H.W. Bush seemed to not be terribly interested in winning in 1992. Governing is, I guess, exhausting. The GOP is exhausted, and it shows. Elections turn on a number of things, but high among them is a party's determination and energy and will to win, and the GOP just has none at all of that. We deserve better, but it is what it is. I'd thought the GOP had panicked that they might lose over the summer. Rather, they seem to be panicking now at the thought they might actually win, and are determined to avoid that.Comments
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The party picked a fine time to have a meltdown. It'd be one thing if the Democrats who stood to replace them were at least rational. But they're not. Most are SCARY retarded on the issue of national security, and horrid on domestic issues as well.
Posted by: Vyce at October 02, 2006 07:08 PM (H4Yn8)
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I've told you over and over that you need to start drinking earlier in the evening, honey.
There, there. It's going to be all right now.
There, there. It's going to be all right now.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 07:09 PM (HSMDH)
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(pre-emptively) No, Vyce, that comment was for Ace, not you.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 07:10 PM (HSMDH)
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What happened to the five o'clock music videos?
Maybe surfing through YouTube will calm your nerves, Ace.
Maybe surfing through YouTube will calm your nerves, Ace.
Posted by: Michael at October 02, 2006 07:12 PM (LPlsm)
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Until, of course, the next time.
Let's hope they pick a different spot on your back so the dagger's less painful. Honestly, true conservatives are starting to look like vicious pin cushions.
Let's hope they pick a different spot on your back so the dagger's less painful. Honestly, true conservatives are starting to look like vicious pin cushions.
Posted by: bbeck at October 02, 2006 07:12 PM (qF8q3)
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Good advice Meg.
The Republicans, come November, will look as good as that girl in the bar at 2 am, thanks to the miracle of Beer Goggles. Start early. Say around now.
Cheers!
The Republicans, come November, will look as good as that girl in the bar at 2 am, thanks to the miracle of Beer Goggles. Start early. Say around now.
Cheers!
Posted by: Joe Mama at October 02, 2006 07:14 PM (5WEQS)
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Ace, you always freak out.
Posted by: someone at October 02, 2006 07:20 PM (aR/3d)
Posted by: skinbad at October 02, 2006 07:21 PM (SwH/f)
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When I lost the election for my middle school student government president, I was crushed. My best friend broke the deadly slience that fell after the announcement by saying, "Well, I just hope to God he doesn't mess the whole thing up."
It made me laugh. But he did mess things up.
I wouldn't be as worried if the Dems hadn't been as hateful as they have.
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at October 02, 2006 07:21 PM (y+omV)
Posted by: Hoke at October 02, 2006 07:24 PM (GIL7z)
Posted by: BumperStickerist at October 02, 2006 07:26 PM (PcDvW)
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I think what your, Allah's, MKH's, and Slublog's reaction demonstrates is just how fragile the big tent is right now. The Republican base is about this close to flying apart. I don't think less of you for your reaction; I think less of the Fristian limp noodle collective in Congress.
They don't even know who they are. They need to understand that a party held together only by the distinct lack of alternatives is a party waiting to dissolve.
They don't even know who they are. They need to understand that a party held together only by the distinct lack of alternatives is a party waiting to dissolve.
Posted by: spmat at October 02, 2006 07:27 PM (T0eyj)
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 07:38 PM (YH6EV)
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And the press (aka Democrats) know this. They have a well proven track record of Dowdification, selective quotation, and outright making sh*t up as long as the Republicans look bad. And Ace, Bill Quick, etc. will swallow the bait every time.
Posted by: SDN at October 02, 2006 07:39 PM (mnpN/)
Posted by: Michael at October 02, 2006 07:39 PM (LPlsm)
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That's OK, Ace. It gets hard to take sometimes, especially before an election.
Heroes is on tonight, as well as your favorite: CSI Miami.
I know how you love your Horatio Crane and his serious sunglasses maneuvers.
I bet he wears them at night.
Heroes is on tonight, as well as your favorite: CSI Miami.
I know how you love your Horatio Crane and his serious sunglasses maneuvers.
I bet he wears them at night.
Posted by: Stormy70 at October 02, 2006 07:44 PM (SXQle)
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There is at least *one* very important reason to keep supporting Republicans.
Sometimes they listen.
Democrats *will* do all the things you fear. Raise taxes. Try to play nice with the terrorists. Have show trial after show trial in an attempt to criminalize policy that they don't agree with.
The GOP is still the stupid party, and always will be. Until a real conservative gets back in front, they will tend to be wishy washy. Ronald Reagan was very special....you don't find men like that very often.
I'm not going to cut off my nose....it's not that bad yet. But if the KosKids get a conduit into Washington, it will be very, very bad.
Posted by: Asher at October 02, 2006 07:46 PM (XFpdA)
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Just remember ace,
*yanks off my sunglasses*
I'll be watching you. I'm on you like a fat woman on a toilet.
*yanks off my sunglasses*
I'll be watching you. I'm on you like a fat woman on a toilet.
Posted by: David Caruso at October 02, 2006 07:51 PM (oCRYB)
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You know, it's funny. I always read these blogposts and hear this shit on the phone when I call for donations yet when I call people to come buy a chicken dinner during the primary season to get the conservative on the ballot, you all have something else to do.
Quick show of hands here. How many of you are actually registered as volunteers or donors at the state level? If more than a few of you say yes, you're all a bunch of fucking liars.
But, bitching incessantly without doing the actual work to change things? Yeah, y'all got that covered.
You know those fucking RINO's we all hate so much? Guess what, they have a better primary season work ethic than most of you jack-offs.
Now, flame away but don't try to tell me that the majority of you do a single fucking thing to change what you dislike about what you mistaken think of as "your" party.
Quick show of hands here. How many of you are actually registered as volunteers or donors at the state level? If more than a few of you say yes, you're all a bunch of fucking liars.
But, bitching incessantly without doing the actual work to change things? Yeah, y'all got that covered.
You know those fucking RINO's we all hate so much? Guess what, they have a better primary season work ethic than most of you jack-offs.
Now, flame away but don't try to tell me that the majority of you do a single fucking thing to change what you dislike about what you mistaken think of as "your" party.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 07:52 PM (zk/Yp)
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I went to the Dark Side (TM) to get a laugh and the PuffHo's are giving Frist credit for finally making sense:
"Frist is right for once, you can't kill everybody." was an actual comment.
I need a drink.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 07:53 PM (YH6EV)
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How the hell do you screw up middle school?
meh, look at the bright side. We have had to defend these bozos for years now. Imagine how much fun it will be to be the bomb throwing minority for a while. Speaker Pelosi. Damn, so much material I see unlimited growth for the right wing blogosphere.
meh, look at the bright side. We have had to defend these bozos for years now. Imagine how much fun it will be to be the bomb throwing minority for a while. Speaker Pelosi. Damn, so much material I see unlimited growth for the right wing blogosphere.
Posted by: JackStraw at October 02, 2006 07:53 PM (rnOZq)
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Governing is, I guess, exhausting.
Maybe, but I'm certain the MSM drumbeat is fatally debilitating for some.
Then imagine your kids or grandkids coming home from school with a head full of that 'Republicans Suck' stuff the NEA pushes.
And DC itself. You go out for an evening there and the crap starts with the looks you get from the car valet, the wait staff. If you get on cable TV maybe the host is OK but the cameraman is union-mandated to hate your ass.
Erosive forces. Stockholm Syndrome.
hen you find your teammates assaulting you with their own stupid Late Afternoon Freak-Out.
Good Times.
Maybe, but I'm certain the MSM drumbeat is fatally debilitating for some.
Then imagine your kids or grandkids coming home from school with a head full of that 'Republicans Suck' stuff the NEA pushes.
And DC itself. You go out for an evening there and the crap starts with the looks you get from the car valet, the wait staff. If you get on cable TV maybe the host is OK but the cameraman is union-mandated to hate your ass.
Erosive forces. Stockholm Syndrome.
hen you find your teammates assaulting you with their own stupid Late Afternoon Freak-Out.
Good Times.
Posted by: Stephen_M at October 02, 2006 07:58 PM (wdk1s)
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Wow, I just read the entry below.
Heh. Good thing I'm too busy to read blogs this week.
Only one man's opinion matters, and we all voted for him.
Heh. Good thing I'm too busy to read blogs this week.
Only one man's opinion matters, and we all voted for him.
Posted by: someone at October 02, 2006 08:02 PM (aR/3d)
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Blow it out your ass, 1234.
Some of us have real fucking jobs to do and families to raise. I employ people, work my ass off and do what I can to make a living and support a growing economy.
It's not too much to ask that our politicians that run as conservatives, govern as such. When the don't I reserve the right to bitch till I'm blue in the face. If it motivates you to volunteer, great! But don't tell me to can it since I'm not out working the neighborhood.
Your argument is as worthless and weak as the chickenhawk argument.
Ply your wares elsewhere, jackoff.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:02 PM (YH6EV)
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Jack Straw. one screws up middle school by not organizing the activities that one was elected to do. None of the trasitional activities were organized for the first 6 weeks of school, then that jerk's solution was to create a committee and put ME in charge of it because I would get it done.
I was stupid enough--er, unselfish enough to to it.
Not that I'm bitter or anything after 30-odd years...
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at October 02, 2006 08:03 PM (y+omV)
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Republican says something. Leftwing media misquotes. Angry depressed "conservative" whines about how it's the end of the world and the Republicans deserve to lose. Millions of "conservatives" stay home making it that much harder for Republicans to get anything done becasue their majoritties are too small to pass all policies at will. Non-voting "conservatives"get even more angry and dsepressed that they don't get 100% of everything they want. Wash rinse repeat.
Posted by: andrew at October 02, 2006 08:06 PM (44gxw)
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Wow, Rosetta, you have kids and a job. If that didn't describe the majority of people voluteering with me, you would have gotten at least theoretically close to having a point.
Too lazy to work, not too lazy to bitch. You're a Republican?
Too lazy to work, not too lazy to bitch. You're a Republican?
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 08:07 PM (zk/Yp)
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Ace,
You need to hold the line. Your BLOG/Commentary is very important and it's devastating to see you giving up. Let's at least go out with a fight. Do you know what 2 years of Pelosi is going to be like!!!!!!
You need to hold the line. Your BLOG/Commentary is very important and it's devastating to see you giving up. Let's at least go out with a fight. Do you know what 2 years of Pelosi is going to be like!!!!!!
Posted by: Winston at October 02, 2006 08:08 PM (tKVxq)
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Chickenhawk argument if ever there was.
Tell me something, 1234, is she allowed to bitch about the democratic party?
But she doesn't volunteer for them....
Do you (do either) ?
No? Oh. Stuff it.
Tell me something, 1234, is she allowed to bitch about the democratic party?
But she doesn't volunteer for them....
Do you (do either) ?
No? Oh. Stuff it.
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 08:11 PM (Uh5fR)
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And you can kiss more money out of your paycheck goodbye. You can say hello to withdrawal and failure in Iraq and in the greater war on terror and the military will be diminished. You can welcome back more handouts and even less border control than the Republicans have managed to force through so far. You can shake hands with universal health care and kiss any social security reform goodbye in your lifetime.
Pretty much the situation now ain't it RWS?
I'd rather take a short-term loss and get the boys back in shape. Their corruption (moral and political) is killing us.
And if the Repubs can't do it, maybe we need a new form of government.......
Pretty much the situation now ain't it RWS?
I'd rather take a short-term loss and get the boys back in shape. Their corruption (moral and political) is killing us.
And if the Repubs can't do it, maybe we need a new form of government.......
Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 02, 2006 08:14 PM (NyIYf)
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This is exactly what we wingnuts need in this election season.
I dont know where Im going
But, I sure know where Ive been
Hanging on the promises
In songs of yesterday
An Ive made up my mind,
I aint wasting no more time
But, here I go again
Here I go again
I dont know where Im going
But, I sure know where Ive been
Hanging on the promises
In songs of yesterday
An Ive made up my mind,
I aint wasting no more time
But, here I go again
Here I go again
Posted by: Bart at October 02, 2006 08:15 PM (RjIWh)
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A chickenhawk argument? What the fuck?
You realize that you can just cut a fucking check for the more conservative primary candidate right? You don't actually have to birth them, raise them and mastermind their campaign.
You don't have the time to write a fucking check?
The RINOs do.
You realize that you can just cut a fucking check for the more conservative primary candidate right? You don't actually have to birth them, raise them and mastermind their campaign.
You don't have the time to write a fucking check?
The RINOs do.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 08:16 PM (zk/Yp)
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This is the same Frist who, after talking about Govt accountability, sneaks in a pet provision outlawing online poker into a bill about port security. The Same Frist who runs up our deficits. The same guy who presides over a terrible congress and expects me to get fired up over their prospects.
I hope you dyed in the wool republicans realize that if the Dems offered a single candidate with war credientals, we would be booting your butts in a second.
I hope you dyed in the wool republicans realize that if the Dems offered a single candidate with war credientals, we would be booting your butts in a second.
Posted by: G. Bob at October 02, 2006 08:16 PM (7EOQ+)
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PS
I'm not a republican.
If you want my vote (as opposed to my vocal ire) you've got to earn my support. Otherwise, stuff it.
Which do you like more, Mr. Republican Party "Red Team" Member?
The ones who bitch but vote for you, or then ones who won't vote for you because you're not doing what we want?
You act like votes are your parties birthright and complain about (ironically) complaining. Be happy these people are even marginally interested in considering voting for your corrupt ass party.
I'm not a republican.
If you want my vote (as opposed to my vocal ire) you've got to earn my support. Otherwise, stuff it.
Which do you like more, Mr. Republican Party "Red Team" Member?
The ones who bitch but vote for you, or then ones who won't vote for you because you're not doing what we want?
You act like votes are your parties birthright and complain about (ironically) complaining. Be happy these people are even marginally interested in considering voting for your corrupt ass party.
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 08:17 PM (Uh5fR)
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Hang in there Ace...I sent Hewitt an email asking him to buck you up...We NEED you in the homestretch...We'll need you even more if Pelosi becomes speaker. C'mon Man, Get the lead out!!!!!!!!!
Posted by: Winston at October 02, 2006 08:18 PM (tKVxq)
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Do you know what 2 years of Pelosi is going to be like!!!!!!
yeah, I know what it's gonna be like. It's gonna be ugly enough that the jerkoffs I've been voting into office for 20 years may finally get the goddam message.
I do not understand why Republicans are so stupid.
yeah, I know what it's gonna be like. It's gonna be ugly enough that the jerkoffs I've been voting into office for 20 years may finally get the goddam message.
I do not understand why Republicans are so stupid.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 02, 2006 08:19 PM (oCRYB)
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Praytell, what good do checks do without votes?
Or do you think you can buy me with the RINO's check?
I guess if things keep up, we'll find out, eh?
Or do you think you can buy me with the RINO's check?
I guess if things keep up, we'll find out, eh?
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 08:20 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: Slublog at October 02, 2006 08:20 PM (WrEiw)
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I should add, I'll keep voting for the morons, to keep the Dems out of power, but that's the extent of it.
Posted by: Slublog at October 02, 2006 08:21 PM (WrEiw)
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2 years of demoralizing and endless investigations...that shrill voice and plastic face from San Fran telling you how much better and smarter she is than/then all of us...
Posted by: Winston at October 02, 2006 08:21 PM (tKVxq)
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What, entropy, you think I'm your own little GOP hooker? Fuck you, fuck your vote. I kinda doubt you're even registered.
Guess what, how do you think the party gets to be the way it is today? A whole bunch of lazy ass people who vote but don't take the time to make sure they have something worth voting for.
Guess what, how do you think the party gets to be the way it is today? A whole bunch of lazy ass people who vote but don't take the time to make sure they have something worth voting for.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 08:24 PM (zk/Yp)
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1234,
If you have managed to procreate AND hold down a real job, congratulations.
The part of your scold that you can blow out your ass is that only political volunteers have the right to bitch about politics or politicians.
I vote and have voted in every election since I was 18 and I ain't ceding my right to bitch just because I'm not a party volunteer.
Idiot.
If you have managed to procreate AND hold down a real job, congratulations.
The part of your scold that you can blow out your ass is that only political volunteers have the right to bitch about politics or politicians.
I vote and have voted in every election since I was 18 and I ain't ceding my right to bitch just because I'm not a party volunteer.
Idiot.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:25 PM (YH6EV)
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Right on 1234...I'm upset, but still voting. Frist is on his way out...Hastert will step aside win or lose...so now it's time to stay united to thwart the Moore/Soros/MSM/DNC/Couric Party. Do you want to read the Micheal Moore email after they win both chambers?
Posted by: Winston at October 02, 2006 08:27 PM (tKVxq)
Posted by: Bart not in Texas at October 02, 2006 08:28 PM (RjIWh)
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:28 PM (YH6EV)
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Do you know what 2 years of Pelosi is going to be like!!!!!!
A slam dunk republican sweep in 08' would be my guess.
Look, we (sort of) survived 8 years of Clinton, 4 of Carter, and 4 of LBJ. We can survive 2 of these asshats.
Sometimes I think the public needs a little smack in the head - you think this is bad?, let us show you bad, then get back to us on how you like it.
A slam dunk republican sweep in 08' would be my guess.
Look, we (sort of) survived 8 years of Clinton, 4 of Carter, and 4 of LBJ. We can survive 2 of these asshats.
Sometimes I think the public needs a little smack in the head - you think this is bad?, let us show you bad, then get back to us on how you like it.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 02, 2006 08:32 PM (VLNpS)
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Purple,
I'm not so optimisitc...Once she's in power we will have to live with her for a LONG time...And I think the investigations they launch will make it improbable a republican wins the white house.
I'm not so optimisitc...Once she's in power we will have to live with her for a LONG time...And I think the investigations they launch will make it improbable a republican wins the white house.
Posted by: Winston at October 02, 2006 08:33 PM (tKVxq)
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I dunno. What do people want done in this country that they think will be done with a Democratic takeover of Congress?
That may be an unfair way of wording the issue(s); but fundamentally one of the two parties will be governing. And passing legislation.
Posted by: EricH at October 02, 2006 08:35 PM (zauWt)
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You're a man? Really? I thought you were a lesbian.
I mean, with the verbal oogling of the softcore porn that is a regular feature of this site..
Well, welcome to manhood, sir. Hope you enjoy your penis. I know I have enjoyed mine. Please excuse my mistake.
I mean, with the verbal oogling of the softcore porn that is a regular feature of this site..
Well, welcome to manhood, sir. Hope you enjoy your penis. I know I have enjoyed mine. Please excuse my mistake.
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 08:35 PM (Uh5fR)
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 02, 2006 08:36 PM (oCRYB)
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Fuck you, fuck your vote.
Yah. I've been hearing that for a while now allready, so no reminder was needed.
But my ranks seem to be swelling. We'll see how long you feel that way. Keep up the 'good' work. What you REALLY need right now isn't more voters, it's more moolah to piss around like water, right? Good luck with that. We'll see where it goes.
Yah. I've been hearing that for a while now allready, so no reminder was needed.
But my ranks seem to be swelling. We'll see how long you feel that way. Keep up the 'good' work. What you REALLY need right now isn't more voters, it's more moolah to piss around like water, right? Good luck with that. We'll see where it goes.
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 08:37 PM (Uh5fR)
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let us show you bad, then get back to us on how you like it.
Purple Avenger,
I generally agree with your sentiment but I think the party the chose Liebermann as its VP has left the building.
I'm sure we'll all survive no matter what happens but I wouldn't underestimate the damage the left can do in four years.
Especially if they get control of both houses.
Purple Avenger,
I generally agree with your sentiment but I think the party the chose Liebermann as its VP has left the building.
I'm sure we'll all survive no matter what happens but I wouldn't underestimate the damage the left can do in four years.
Especially if they get control of both houses.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:38 PM (YH6EV)
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Rosetta, I'll go real slow this time so you'll understand.
You're bitching about something you can change. But instead of changing it, you're bitching about it.
If you want to bitch about the Yankees pitching or how Ford cars suck, I'm not gonna stop you. We can't do anything about those things. This is like bitching about how your own children won't behave. Hint: it's your job to fix it if you actually care.
You know that whole part about our government being "By the people..." etc. Guess what, that means you.
You're bitching about something you can change. But instead of changing it, you're bitching about it.
If you want to bitch about the Yankees pitching or how Ford cars suck, I'm not gonna stop you. We can't do anything about those things. This is like bitching about how your own children won't behave. Hint: it's your job to fix it if you actually care.
You know that whole part about our government being "By the people..." etc. Guess what, that means you.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 08:40 PM (zk/Yp)
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:41 PM (YH6EV)
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I was stupid enough--er, unselfish enough to to it.
You know what? I just want to say God Bless You. It's suckers like you that actually make a difference.
You know what? I just want to say God Bless You. It's suckers like you that actually make a difference.
Posted by: Michael at October 02, 2006 08:44 PM (LPlsm)
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Uhh, entropy, you seem to think that I'm all for RINOs and cutting and running, etc, etc. We're probably on the same side of the issues, as are most of the people who read this blog.
Nope, nix that, you're on the side who just likes to bitch and moan like a child while not doing any of the adult work required to fix it.
Nope, nix that, you're on the side who just likes to bitch and moan like a child while not doing any of the adult work required to fix it.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 08:44 PM (zk/Yp)
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I'm still not ready to be 'back on board'. Frist's sorta apology just ain't cutting it. I'll vote for candidates I support, everyone else can eat out a homeless guys ass. No more straight ticket.
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 08:44 PM (jhhLS)
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Purple Avenger:
Clinton = deep slashes in defense and intelligence budgets, Bosnia "peacekeeping," Black Hawk down, no response to attack on the USS Cole, meaningless response to attacks on our embassies
Carter = Shah overthrown, 444 days of America held hostage, SALT bullshit
LBJ = Tet "offensive," fucking brilliant.
No thanks.
Clinton = deep slashes in defense and intelligence budgets, Bosnia "peacekeeping," Black Hawk down, no response to attack on the USS Cole, meaningless response to attacks on our embassies
Carter = Shah overthrown, 444 days of America held hostage, SALT bullshit
LBJ = Tet "offensive," fucking brilliant.
No thanks.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 08:45 PM (HSMDH)
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Anyone who disagrees with me is a moonbat.
Posted by: Bart at October 02, 2006 08:45 PM (RjIWh)
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Fuck you, fuck your vote.
-This message was brought to you by the "Show your Enthusiasm for the Republican Party" campaign.
-This message was brought to you by the "Show your Enthusiasm for the Republican Party" campaign.
Posted by: bgates at October 02, 2006 08:47 PM (vMQKR)
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We are, you numerical nimrod, its called staying home. They might get RINObux and support and volunteers. It doesn't do a bit of fucking good if you lose the base, remember, its not money and volunteers that wins elections, its votes.
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 08:50 PM (jhhLS)
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C'mon Bart. Anyone who disagrees with you is normally considered sane.
Posted by: Michael at October 02, 2006 08:51 PM (LPlsm)
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1234,
Thanks for speaking slowly and using tiny words.
I understand your point but if you're going to walk around preaching that sermon, you're going to piss off a lot more people than you're going to motivate to volunteer.
And in the world I live in, you are going to have way more of me than there will be of you. That may suck but it is the way it is.
Some do a lot, some do a little and many do nothing other than vote. But we all have the right to bitch when disappointed.
And just so you know, scolding loses its effect after age 13.
Thanks for speaking slowly and using tiny words.
I understand your point but if you're going to walk around preaching that sermon, you're going to piss off a lot more people than you're going to motivate to volunteer.
And in the world I live in, you are going to have way more of me than there will be of you. That may suck but it is the way it is.
Some do a lot, some do a little and many do nothing other than vote. But we all have the right to bitch when disappointed.
And just so you know, scolding loses its effect after age 13.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:52 PM (YH6EV)
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If Green Bay wins tonight, control of the government stay in our wingnut-puritanical-theocratic-RINO-war mongering bloody mitts. The future of our country is in Brett Favre's hands.
Can Brett do it? Can an aging, slow-reflexed, once great quarterback deliver us from the evil grasp of the Dark Side?
I say yes. Yes he can. Philadelphia is a punk. Philadelphia the team, Philadelphia the city, and Philadelphia the fans are all punk ass bitches.
Can Brett do it? Can an aging, slow-reflexed, once great quarterback deliver us from the evil grasp of the Dark Side?
I say yes. Yes he can. Philadelphia is a punk. Philadelphia the team, Philadelphia the city, and Philadelphia the fans are all punk ass bitches.
Posted by: Bart at October 02, 2006 08:52 PM (RjIWh)
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"its not money and volunteers that wins elections, its votes"
And that message was brought to you by the hopelessly naive people who lose to the RINOs in the primaries.
And that message was brought to you by the hopelessly naive people who lose to the RINOs in the primaries.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 08:54 PM (zk/Yp)
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So lemme make sure I have this right.
First there's "Democrats in power! Ooga booga!" Ok, but I'm a little too old to be frightened by boogeymen. And unless I'm entirely mistaken, I'm fairly certain Bush's veto power cannot be taken away by Congress.
Second, exactly how will Republicans learn if there are no consequences to their actions? What, exactly, do they have to do to get people to not vote for them?
"Baby, just vote for me this one time. I won't wrong you again, I promise."
Whatever you say, Ike.
Nope, I'm done.
People can reward this behavior if they feel like it, which is exactly what voting for them is doing. They will have no cause to reform, no cause to return to their conservative values, no cause to grow a spine and give the American people want they want - unmitigated victory.
Total victory? Meh, we're enabling little more than a long defeat at this point.
"But the Democrats will be a quick defeat!"
Yeah, yeah. Ooga booga.
First there's "Democrats in power! Ooga booga!" Ok, but I'm a little too old to be frightened by boogeymen. And unless I'm entirely mistaken, I'm fairly certain Bush's veto power cannot be taken away by Congress.
Second, exactly how will Republicans learn if there are no consequences to their actions? What, exactly, do they have to do to get people to not vote for them?
"Baby, just vote for me this one time. I won't wrong you again, I promise."
Whatever you say, Ike.
Nope, I'm done.
People can reward this behavior if they feel like it, which is exactly what voting for them is doing. They will have no cause to reform, no cause to return to their conservative values, no cause to grow a spine and give the American people want they want - unmitigated victory.
Total victory? Meh, we're enabling little more than a long defeat at this point.
"But the Democrats will be a quick defeat!"
Yeah, yeah. Ooga booga.
Posted by: Robbie at October 02, 2006 08:55 PM (tKkIh)
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1234,
You are either the most ardent optimist in the history of time or I think I may have to question your conservative bone fides.
Are you telling me that you don't bitch about the "conservative" representation we currently have in DC??
Or are you saying that no one else can bitch unless they also volunteer?
Just want clarification.
You are either the most ardent optimist in the history of time or I think I may have to question your conservative bone fides.
Are you telling me that you don't bitch about the "conservative" representation we currently have in DC??
Or are you saying that no one else can bitch unless they also volunteer?
Just want clarification.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:58 PM (YH6EV)
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God knows the Republicans have been screwing up, and that's a shame, because this is one time we need them focused and active.
The Democrats need to lose, and lose badly, in the next couple of elections. That's the only thing that will save them. They need to be weaned from their Clintonian devotion to spin, lies, and meaningless gestures. They need to re-learn that foreign policy and fighting the nation's enemies must not become simply "issues" to be used in domestic political battles.
If they don't learn these things, and yet can gain power anyway, then I'm afraid our country is in for a very bad couple of decades. The Dems will be caving in to terrorists and loudly congratulating themselves. The world will not trust America to lead or to stick with any task, and will begin making accomodations with al-Qaeda, Kim, Chavez, and Iran. The bad guys will grow in power and reach, and I'm afraid they will kill a great many people before going down. If they go down.
We need the Democratic Party of Kennedy, not the party of Oswald, which is what they've become. We have to save them, and that menas beating them, badly and repeatedly, until they find their way back to sanity.
The Democrats need to lose, and lose badly, in the next couple of elections. That's the only thing that will save them. They need to be weaned from their Clintonian devotion to spin, lies, and meaningless gestures. They need to re-learn that foreign policy and fighting the nation's enemies must not become simply "issues" to be used in domestic political battles.
If they don't learn these things, and yet can gain power anyway, then I'm afraid our country is in for a very bad couple of decades. The Dems will be caving in to terrorists and loudly congratulating themselves. The world will not trust America to lead or to stick with any task, and will begin making accomodations with al-Qaeda, Kim, Chavez, and Iran. The bad guys will grow in power and reach, and I'm afraid they will kill a great many people before going down. If they go down.
We need the Democratic Party of Kennedy, not the party of Oswald, which is what they've become. We have to save them, and that menas beating them, badly and repeatedly, until they find their way back to sanity.
Posted by: Trimegistus at October 02, 2006 09:00 PM (zfSPJ)
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Can't we all just get along?
Posted by: Rodney King at October 02, 2006 09:01 PM (yqiXY)
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What I don't get is how everyone even mildly related to the party feels entitled to constant bitching and moaning sessions but the people who actually work their asses off to get our boys elected are party hacks and braindead robots.
Well, this (unpaid and overworked) party hack/braindead robot occasionally gets pissed off when you can't get thirty people to actually show up for a rock-ribbed conservative's primary fundraiser. But everyone will show up and stay til 3:00 am at the "how come there aren't any conservatives to vote for" bitchfest. Those are always a fucking blowout.
Well, this (unpaid and overworked) party hack/braindead robot occasionally gets pissed off when you can't get thirty people to actually show up for a rock-ribbed conservative's primary fundraiser. But everyone will show up and stay til 3:00 am at the "how come there aren't any conservatives to vote for" bitchfest. Those are always a fucking blowout.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 09:04 PM (zk/Yp)
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Jeeze. You all act like Democrats have never run the country before. Like we are going to ruin the place the moment we get the majority. I hate to break it to you, but we won't.
First off. This is an amazingly resilliant nation. Arguably we have never been more grossly mismanaged than the past six years and still most of us go to work and eat food just like we always did.
Second, Democrats CAN govern. If anything, we get knocked for over governing. But that can be a good thing too. That is the reason most people with the means to live anywhere choose to live in the blue states. We do a better job with the regulations. And believe it or not, regulation can be a good thing. Just like sports are more fun when refs are officiating fairly, business is better when rules are enforced.
Fret not.
First off. This is an amazingly resilliant nation. Arguably we have never been more grossly mismanaged than the past six years and still most of us go to work and eat food just like we always did.
Second, Democrats CAN govern. If anything, we get knocked for over governing. But that can be a good thing too. That is the reason most people with the means to live anywhere choose to live in the blue states. We do a better job with the regulations. And believe it or not, regulation can be a good thing. Just like sports are more fun when refs are officiating fairly, business is better when rules are enforced.
Fret not.
Posted by: seattle slough at October 02, 2006 09:05 PM (H5l9d)
Posted by: Nelson Muntz at October 02, 2006 09:05 PM (RjIWh)
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Seattle:
"You all act like Democrats have never run the country before."
Oh no, we remember quite clearly that you have. And we're all still paying for it.
"You all act like Democrats have never run the country before."
Oh no, we remember quite clearly that you have. And we're all still paying for it.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 09:07 PM (HSMDH)
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And that message was brought to you by the hopelessly naive people who lose to the RINOs in the primaries.
So what the fuck is your major malfunction?
The RNC allready has more money then the DNC. We've got money out the asshole. We piss more money away every year on the same goddamn procedure of election. EVery year more money then the last. Gotta out-do the year before.
Money wins elections.
Yah. You sure you ain't a rino? Cuz you got a head like one. Fucking dense. Any more conventional wisdom bullshit you want to throw us?
Let us know how the vast majority of the country is for comprehensive immigration reform maybe?
So what the fuck is your major malfunction?
The RNC allready has more money then the DNC. We've got money out the asshole. We piss more money away every year on the same goddamn procedure of election. EVery year more money then the last. Gotta out-do the year before.
Money wins elections.
Yah. You sure you ain't a rino? Cuz you got a head like one. Fucking dense. Any more conventional wisdom bullshit you want to throw us?
Let us know how the vast majority of the country is for comprehensive immigration reform maybe?
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 09:10 PM (Uh5fR)
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Michael, thank you.
In my district, I will vote for Santorum because I think he's the better man than Casey is. I would vote for almost anyone over Murtha, and Diane Irey is promising. I vote for the candidate, not the party.
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at October 02, 2006 09:11 PM (y+omV)
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Voting for the party is how you build a bench of individuals. The candidates don't shape us; we shape them.
And as for all the harping on about RINOs: can we all just get over it, seriously? Anyone who thought Laffey had a chance in a general in RI, I'd like to know what you were smoking, because you should prolly be arrested.
And as for all the harping on about RINOs: can we all just get over it, seriously? Anyone who thought Laffey had a chance in a general in RI, I'd like to know what you were smoking, because you should prolly be arrested.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 09:15 PM (HSMDH)
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1234,
Just because your position isn't popular doesn't mean that it isn't also wrong.
I don't know any commenters or bloggers on this site that engage in constant bitching and moaning. But occasionally the situation calls for a bitch fest. And bitching is cathartic. Which you know since you are engaging in it on this thread.
If we went out and volunteered every time a politician disappointed or pissed us off, we would all volunteer, sometimes for months at a time.
If you volunteer, I thank you for the good work that you do and I wish you Godspeed.
Let it go at that.
Just because your position isn't popular doesn't mean that it isn't also wrong.
I don't know any commenters or bloggers on this site that engage in constant bitching and moaning. But occasionally the situation calls for a bitch fest. And bitching is cathartic. Which you know since you are engaging in it on this thread.
If we went out and volunteered every time a politician disappointed or pissed us off, we would all volunteer, sometimes for months at a time.
If you volunteer, I thank you for the good work that you do and I wish you Godspeed.
Let it go at that.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 09:15 PM (YH6EV)
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Rosetta, I can't fucking stand our national representation. Most of them are a bunch of sell-outs and the rest didn't have any convictions to sell out in the first place.
And, no, volunteers aren't the only ones who matter to the party. Everyone has a stake and I don't mean to say you can't complain.
But, but, but... (and refer to my first comment) it's like everyone only cares when it's time for the general election. And the fact of the matter is that it's already pretty much over by then.
I'm simply pissed off enough to point out that the reason we have shitty Republicans to hold our noses and vote over is because so few Republicans are willing to fix the situation when we can actually do something about it.
And, no, volunteers aren't the only ones who matter to the party. Everyone has a stake and I don't mean to say you can't complain.
But, but, but... (and refer to my first comment) it's like everyone only cares when it's time for the general election. And the fact of the matter is that it's already pretty much over by then.
I'm simply pissed off enough to point out that the reason we have shitty Republicans to hold our noses and vote over is because so few Republicans are willing to fix the situation when we can actually do something about it.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 09:15 PM (zk/Yp)
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Rosetta, I can't fucking stand our national representation. Most of them are a bunch of sell-outs and the rest didn't have any convictions to sell out in the first place.
And, no, volunteers aren't the only ones who matter to the party. Everyone has a stake and I don't mean to say you can't complain.
But, but, but... (and refer to my first comment) it's like everyone only cares when it's time for the general election. And the fact of the matter is that it's already pretty much over by then.
I'm simply pissed off enough to point out that the reason we have shitty Republicans to hold our noses and vote over is because so few Republicans are willing to fix the situation when we can actually do something about it.
And, no, volunteers aren't the only ones who matter to the party. Everyone has a stake and I don't mean to say you can't complain.
But, but, but... (and refer to my first comment) it's like everyone only cares when it's time for the general election. And the fact of the matter is that it's already pretty much over by then.
I'm simply pissed off enough to point out that the reason we have shitty Republicans to hold our noses and vote over is because so few Republicans are willing to fix the situation when we can actually do something about it.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 09:15 PM (zk/Yp)
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Megan:
How are you paying for what exactly?
If you mean actually paying, as in our national debt, you can thank Reagan and Bush for a good two thirds of the national debt.
If you mean paying in some less fungible/tangible thing. I am all ears.
How are you paying for what exactly?
If you mean actually paying, as in our national debt, you can thank Reagan and Bush for a good two thirds of the national debt.
If you mean paying in some less fungible/tangible thing. I am all ears.
Posted by: seattle slough at October 02, 2006 09:17 PM (H5l9d)
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"Second, Democrats CAN govern. If anything, we get knocked for over governing. But that can be a good thing too. That is the reason most people with the means to live anywhere choose to live in the blue states. We do a better job with the regulations. And believe it or not, regulation can be a good thing. Just like sports are more fun when refs are officiating fairly, business is better when rules are enforced.
Fret not."
Um, what about all those late 90's corporate scandals that were left for the Bush Administration to deal with. And how about the wonderful condition that the intelligence services were in when Clinton's second term ended. What about all of those cities that you've had compl;ete control over for decades. The Big Dig? New Jersey? New Orleans? The education system, can't blame that on Republicans no matter how hard you try. Having the MSM cover for you does not equal good governance. In fact, it took disastrous governance to go from the majority party into the minority party, especially when the entire MSM is on your side.
Fret not."
Um, what about all those late 90's corporate scandals that were left for the Bush Administration to deal with. And how about the wonderful condition that the intelligence services were in when Clinton's second term ended. What about all of those cities that you've had compl;ete control over for decades. The Big Dig? New Jersey? New Orleans? The education system, can't blame that on Republicans no matter how hard you try. Having the MSM cover for you does not equal good governance. In fact, it took disastrous governance to go from the majority party into the minority party, especially when the entire MSM is on your side.
Posted by: andrew at October 02, 2006 09:18 PM (44gxw)
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With you on Santorum, I'm not sure what I'll do with Sherwood. He's slime, but there was literally no choice, the primary candidate literally plopped down the requisite cash to run, and got 44%, even though no one knew what she was and she spent nothing on running.
Before you asked why I didn't run, you numerical ninny, I don't think I'm old enough, and I'm broke.
Tell me, what was I supposed to do there?
Before you asked why I didn't run, you numerical ninny, I don't think I'm old enough, and I'm broke.
Tell me, what was I supposed to do there?
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 09:20 PM (jhhLS)
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1234, you really shouldn't chastise people here. We are the ones engaged in politics day in/day out. Why do you think we spend time on this moron blog?
Most of us write checks. Many of us volunteer. Myself included.
If you're mad at people who don't care about the way our country runs, you're bitching in the wrong place.
Most of us write checks. Many of us volunteer. Myself included.
If you're mad at people who don't care about the way our country runs, you're bitching in the wrong place.
Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at October 02, 2006 09:21 PM (TEafe)
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seattle, you should worry more about your shitty football team not making the playoffs than our national budget.
Posted by: Lovie Smith at October 02, 2006 09:21 PM (RjIWh)
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Megan, as bad as all that was, the public eventually corrects its mistakes.
In many ways this republican congress is a "mistake" currently -- its lost sight of the reason it was elected back in 94'.
My dad always used to say "familiarity breeds contempt". Congress exhibits high levels of contempt for the public at the moment.
Yes, the dems will be a train wreck. No argument there. That train wreck would allow for a long needed house cleaning among the republicans though.
If the electorate wants "change" the dems will certainly deliver it. The nature of that change is what's going to be the suprise for the electorate.
I really don't see any way around this "familiarity breeds contempt" effect given the current system of unlimitted terms. The entrenched will eventually take their status as a given and lose touch with the electorate.
We need to get away from the notion of "politics as a profession" and get back to the notion of it being a pubic sacrifice.
In many ways this republican congress is a "mistake" currently -- its lost sight of the reason it was elected back in 94'.
My dad always used to say "familiarity breeds contempt". Congress exhibits high levels of contempt for the public at the moment.
Yes, the dems will be a train wreck. No argument there. That train wreck would allow for a long needed house cleaning among the republicans though.
If the electorate wants "change" the dems will certainly deliver it. The nature of that change is what's going to be the suprise for the electorate.
I really don't see any way around this "familiarity breeds contempt" effect given the current system of unlimitted terms. The entrenched will eventually take their status as a given and lose touch with the electorate.
We need to get away from the notion of "politics as a profession" and get back to the notion of it being a pubic sacrifice.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 02, 2006 09:22 PM (VLNpS)
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1234,
Thanks for clarifying. And I mean that in all seriousness.
And I appreciate your frustration with people that do nothing but bitch but this site isn't about that.
However the vast majority of the conservative base doesn't run for office and doesn't volunteer.
We vote and discuss issues and occasionally bitch when things don't go our way or we feel let down by our leadership.
And I fault poor leadership on poor leaders, not a lack of volunteers or a superabundance of bitchers and whiners.
Thanks for clarifying. And I mean that in all seriousness.
And I appreciate your frustration with people that do nothing but bitch but this site isn't about that.
However the vast majority of the conservative base doesn't run for office and doesn't volunteer.
We vote and discuss issues and occasionally bitch when things don't go our way or we feel let down by our leadership.
And I fault poor leadership on poor leaders, not a lack of volunteers or a superabundance of bitchers and whiners.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 09:23 PM (YH6EV)
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Look 1234, Rosetta's right, this isn't normal for us. Its just certain things just drive us over the edge. And there is a certain validity to what you say.
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 09:23 PM (jhhLS)
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I would add that this internet gambling thing tacked onto a port security bill is a perfect example of the "contempt" this congress has for the public.
The president should veto that bill and demand to be presented with one that addresses only a single issue.
The president should veto that bill and demand to be presented with one that addresses only a single issue.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at October 02, 2006 09:24 PM (VLNpS)
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Seattle:
How about rebuilding our defense and intelligence for one? How about the impression Clinton gave UBL that we're a paper tiger, which lead directly to 9/11? I don't give a damn about the debt or any deficits. To paraphrase President Reagan, they're big enough to take care of themselves.
How about rebuilding our defense and intelligence for one? How about the impression Clinton gave UBL that we're a paper tiger, which lead directly to 9/11? I don't give a damn about the debt or any deficits. To paraphrase President Reagan, they're big enough to take care of themselves.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 09:25 PM (HSMDH)
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You are either the most ardent optimist in the history of time or I think I may have to question your conservative bone fides.
Hey, Rosetta, I drink serve the Kool-Aid too. Primaries ARE where it happens. And remember the line "all politics is local?" Sadly, it's true. Those RINOs are representing their local constituents. (Thankfully, I've got Sessions/Shelby/Bonner, who are nowhere near RINO.) We don't get to vote in all the elections nationwide (although it'd be nice, at least for us!).
So no, money doesn't buy votes. BUT money does buy advertising, and advertising makes all the difference because most voters simply aren't as well-informed on the issues as most of us morons who hang out on blogs are. And remember, Frist is the Majority Leader--that's power that most voters don't want to give up (unless you're a complete douchebag like Daschle). They'll think "our guy is The Man, and he brings home the bacon." All politics is local.
I agree with Ace--they seem determined to lose this thing and it's wearing me out and has for years, but I stick with stupid blogging in hopes that occasionally I can squeeze a campaign donation out of some unsuspecting reader. And of course, because I don't want to break the teevee throwing shit at it.
1234, I think you're wrong in saying blogs do nothing. MY blog may do nothing, but the RNC/GOP is way behind the Dummocrats in utilizing the blogs. Example: a diary post at DKos saying "send money to whatshisname (Foley's opponent)" raised over $10K in five hours. (Nice of them to cravenly beg for money in the name of the Foley kid. Pigs.) So you can't discount blogs when they're carrying the message constantly for the party, when the party barely acknowledges blogs. And I say this as a blogosphere-hating blogger.
I'm as frustrated as anyone at party-jumpers; in fact, I bitch about that almost as much as I bitch about Dhimmicrats. But please don't claim to represent The Party and at the same time toss off a big "fuck you" to everyone who isn't quite as drunk on the Kool-Aid as you and I may be. Honey vs. vinegar, y'know.
Hey, Rosetta, I drink serve the Kool-Aid too. Primaries ARE where it happens. And remember the line "all politics is local?" Sadly, it's true. Those RINOs are representing their local constituents. (Thankfully, I've got Sessions/Shelby/Bonner, who are nowhere near RINO.) We don't get to vote in all the elections nationwide (although it'd be nice, at least for us!).
So no, money doesn't buy votes. BUT money does buy advertising, and advertising makes all the difference because most voters simply aren't as well-informed on the issues as most of us morons who hang out on blogs are. And remember, Frist is the Majority Leader--that's power that most voters don't want to give up (unless you're a complete douchebag like Daschle). They'll think "our guy is The Man, and he brings home the bacon." All politics is local.
I agree with Ace--they seem determined to lose this thing and it's wearing me out and has for years, but I stick with stupid blogging in hopes that occasionally I can squeeze a campaign donation out of some unsuspecting reader. And of course, because I don't want to break the teevee throwing shit at it.
1234, I think you're wrong in saying blogs do nothing. MY blog may do nothing, but the RNC/GOP is way behind the Dummocrats in utilizing the blogs. Example: a diary post at DKos saying "send money to whatshisname (Foley's opponent)" raised over $10K in five hours. (Nice of them to cravenly beg for money in the name of the Foley kid. Pigs.) So you can't discount blogs when they're carrying the message constantly for the party, when the party barely acknowledges blogs. And I say this as a blogosphere-hating blogger.
I'm as frustrated as anyone at party-jumpers; in fact, I bitch about that almost as much as I bitch about Dhimmicrats. But please don't claim to represent The Party and at the same time toss off a big "fuck you" to everyone who isn't quite as drunk on the Kool-Aid as you and I may be. Honey vs. vinegar, y'know.
Posted by: Beth at October 02, 2006 09:26 PM (yqiXY)
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I vote for the candidate, not the party.
That's all I advocate anyone do.
Don't vote for parties. The parties don't deserve your vote (neither of them, and not republicans).
Vote for candidates. Me? I've got none I like so I'll be sitting out. But that's just where I live. Some good ones are out there.
As for the rest? Fuck them. Stop accomodating a bi-partisan culture of corruption. Sit it out, or oust the incumbants altogether if they're bad enough, and then work on a better candidate next time around.
That's my idea of how we fix the situation and so I advocate it. The business with Toomey and Laffey (and soon to be Lieberman as he'll get back in too, despite actually loosing the nomination) shows the other route isn't satisfactory.
That's all I advocate anyone do.
Don't vote for parties. The parties don't deserve your vote (neither of them, and not republicans).
Vote for candidates. Me? I've got none I like so I'll be sitting out. But that's just where I live. Some good ones are out there.
As for the rest? Fuck them. Stop accomodating a bi-partisan culture of corruption. Sit it out, or oust the incumbants altogether if they're bad enough, and then work on a better candidate next time around.
That's my idea of how we fix the situation and so I advocate it. The business with Toomey and Laffey (and soon to be Lieberman as he'll get back in too, despite actually loosing the nomination) shows the other route isn't satisfactory.
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 09:28 PM (Uh5fR)
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Okay, I think we can now all get along.
I would like club soda and a twist of lemon with my vodka.
I would like club soda and a twist of lemon with my vodka.
Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 09:29 PM (YH6EV)
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And though it's an entirely goddamn irrelevant 'chicken-hawk' varient argument that I shouldn't even justify:
I've donated money. Just not to anyone in my state that I could also vote for. The local democrats are marginally better.
I've donated money. Just not to anyone in my state that I could also vote for. The local democrats are marginally better.
Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 09:31 PM (Uh5fR)
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1234, if your (unpaid) job is to persuade voters to your way of thinking, you might give that "fuck you" shit a rest.
Moby.
Moby.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 02, 2006 09:32 PM (oCRYB)
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Um, is that why the blue states are losing millions of people to the red states? The stellar jobs the Dems are doing running those states. Tell it to Mass., who are losing population as I type to Florida, Georgia, Texas and Arizona
I see the Unions are losing workers to right to work states at a massive rate, too. I guess regulation sucks when job creation is the goal.
I see the Unions are losing workers to right to work states at a massive rate, too. I guess regulation sucks when job creation is the goal.
Posted by: Stormy70 at October 02, 2006 09:33 PM (SXQle)
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Oooo, if we're ordering drinks, would one of you nice gentlemen get me a frozen strawberry daiquiri?
Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at October 02, 2006 09:33 PM (y+omV)
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Just give me a six of Yeungling and I'll be happy...oh wait, there's a frosty cold one sitting right there next to me. Hooray beer!
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 09:34 PM (jhhLS)
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Beth:
$10k in 5 hours is nothing. Any halfway competent operative can get $300k in 3. And the Kos kids cash sort of peter out rather quickly after that. What did Lamont get from the bloggers, under $500k total? He had to dig rather deeply into his own pockets to make up the rest of what he needed, which was over $2m more, IIRC. The GOP is using the blogs in precisely the manner in which they should be utilized, in my opinion: using them to counteract their inherent disadvantages (mainly MSM bias) while keeping them at arm's length. Any candidate willing to be endorsed by Ace, however much I might love either of them, I would never take on in a million years.
$10k in 5 hours is nothing. Any halfway competent operative can get $300k in 3. And the Kos kids cash sort of peter out rather quickly after that. What did Lamont get from the bloggers, under $500k total? He had to dig rather deeply into his own pockets to make up the rest of what he needed, which was over $2m more, IIRC. The GOP is using the blogs in precisely the manner in which they should be utilized, in my opinion: using them to counteract their inherent disadvantages (mainly MSM bias) while keeping them at arm's length. Any candidate willing to be endorsed by Ace, however much I might love either of them, I would never take on in a million years.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 09:35 PM (HSMDH)
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 09:38 PM (jhhLS)
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If you mean actually paying, as in our national debt, you can thank Reagan and Bush for a good two thirds of the national debt.
The national debt is a minor irritant.
The real problem is the $70-80 trillion in unfunded obligations that we have to SS and Medicare. That's seven-zero or eight-zero trillion. A $7 trillion national debt in a $13 trillion economy can be handled.
And whenever Bush tries to do something about those two programs - to rein in the costs - the Democrats scream and holler and obstruct any changes, however small.
So, give the Dems Congress again and say bye-bye forever for any chance of reforming those programs.
Posted by: EricH at October 02, 2006 09:41 PM (zauWt)
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If you mean paying in some less fungible/tangible thing. I am all ears.
Here's a tangible thing: what about all those motherfuckers left over in the CIA (et cetera) that are Democrats? What about their BIG FUCKING MOUTHS that they can't keep shut, running to the fucking New York Slimes every time Chimpy McBushitler doesn't do things their way? How about "loose lips sink ships?" You might think that's a cute cliche, but it's the goddamned truth. Fucking Democrats have proven their unworthiness to be elected Assistant Dog Catcher over the last 5-6 years, not to mention that piece of shit Slick Willie. Your party puts political power for its own sake ABOVE national security, and will say anything if it serves them. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who votes Democrat is damn near aiding the enemy--and NO, Bush did NOT say that, I did.
There is NO Democrat I would vote for, period. Even if I hated the Republican nominee, I'd still vote for him or her, holding my nose, because it matters that much. Even the most honorable Dhimmicrats represent the lowest scum (9-11 conspiratards, CAIR, the ACLU, Motherfucker Sheehan, Moore-on, etc.) America has ever known. Pelosi. Reid. Rangel. Clinton. Kennedy. Kerry. Liars and criminals.
HELL YES, it matters if they regain the majority, because you soulless bloodsucking leeches will do everything in your power to destroy the nation JUST TO GET BUSH--because you're a bunch of bedwetting crybabies who can't deal with the reality that Gore and Kerry LOST.
Here's a tangible thing: what about all those motherfuckers left over in the CIA (et cetera) that are Democrats? What about their BIG FUCKING MOUTHS that they can't keep shut, running to the fucking New York Slimes every time Chimpy McBushitler doesn't do things their way? How about "loose lips sink ships?" You might think that's a cute cliche, but it's the goddamned truth. Fucking Democrats have proven their unworthiness to be elected Assistant Dog Catcher over the last 5-6 years, not to mention that piece of shit Slick Willie. Your party puts political power for its own sake ABOVE national security, and will say anything if it serves them. As far as I'm concerned, anyone who votes Democrat is damn near aiding the enemy--and NO, Bush did NOT say that, I did.
There is NO Democrat I would vote for, period. Even if I hated the Republican nominee, I'd still vote for him or her, holding my nose, because it matters that much. Even the most honorable Dhimmicrats represent the lowest scum (9-11 conspiratards, CAIR, the ACLU, Motherfucker Sheehan, Moore-on, etc.) America has ever known. Pelosi. Reid. Rangel. Clinton. Kennedy. Kerry. Liars and criminals.
HELL YES, it matters if they regain the majority, because you soulless bloodsucking leeches will do everything in your power to destroy the nation JUST TO GET BUSH--because you're a bunch of bedwetting crybabies who can't deal with the reality that Gore and Kerry LOST.
Posted by: Beth at October 02, 2006 09:43 PM (yqiXY)
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His disdain for your vote (fuck you, fuck your vote) combined with his preachy screechy "if you don't send bucks and volunteer you have no right to criticize" sermons do not sound like conservative arguments to me.
He's either a Mob or the stupidest unpaid volunteer the party's got. Mr. Davis, would you be willing to contribute $25 to the Senator's re-election campaign? What? You don't care for his position on farm subsidies? Well FUCK YOU THEN MOTHERFUCKER"!
I mean, uh, how about $10?
He's either a Mob or the stupidest unpaid volunteer the party's got. Mr. Davis, would you be willing to contribute $25 to the Senator's re-election campaign? What? You don't care for his position on farm subsidies? Well FUCK YOU THEN MOTHERFUCKER"!
I mean, uh, how about $10?
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 02, 2006 09:46 PM (oCRYB)
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Totally OT, but worthwhile. In fact, it may convince Ace that life is worth living after all.
http://voxefx.blogspot.com/2006/09/daniela-cicarelli-video.html
Background here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=a_17Uu0NazR0&refer=latin_america
PS A sad comment on how far the Ace O' Spades lifestyle has fallen that this hasn't been posted before now. Come on guys, stop with the St Andi-style hysteria and join the party again.
http://voxefx.blogspot.com/2006/09/daniela-cicarelli-video.html
Background here:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601086&sid=a_17Uu0NazR0&refer=latin_america
PS A sad comment on how far the Ace O' Spades lifestyle has fallen that this hasn't been posted before now. Come on guys, stop with the St Andi-style hysteria and join the party again.
Posted by: max at October 02, 2006 09:47 PM (jF15v)
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Beth, you're right. And not just in the pragmatic fashion of honey vs. vinegar. As a general principle I should try not to be an asshole.
Which I was, so I'm sorry. Rosetta, Entropy, everyone.
Doing this work just makes you crazy sometimes. During the primaries you call all your contacts and then hundreds of people practically at random and no one cares. I mean they don't even care when it's an open seat and the district is gerrymandered as a shoe-in for us. In those cases, the general election is literally during the primary.
Then, just a few weeks later, you call all these people and go to dinners and everyone just shits all over you because the person they now realize they would rather vote for just lost in the primary. And you're talking to the exact same people!
So yeah, me, I'm an asshole, sorry.
But, please, pay attention to your local primaries if you want to change the party. It's your one chance to influence it without doing the Democrats any favors by sitting out. And, hey, you get a lot more bang for your primary vote/volunteer work/money because most people ignore it. If you want to get involved in politics in the slightest, that's the place to do it.
Which I was, so I'm sorry. Rosetta, Entropy, everyone.
Doing this work just makes you crazy sometimes. During the primaries you call all your contacts and then hundreds of people practically at random and no one cares. I mean they don't even care when it's an open seat and the district is gerrymandered as a shoe-in for us. In those cases, the general election is literally during the primary.
Then, just a few weeks later, you call all these people and go to dinners and everyone just shits all over you because the person they now realize they would rather vote for just lost in the primary. And you're talking to the exact same people!
So yeah, me, I'm an asshole, sorry.
But, please, pay attention to your local primaries if you want to change the party. It's your one chance to influence it without doing the Democrats any favors by sitting out. And, hey, you get a lot more bang for your primary vote/volunteer work/money because most people ignore it. If you want to get involved in politics in the slightest, that's the place to do it.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 09:48 PM (zk/Yp)
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$10k in 5 hours is nothing. Any halfway competent operative can get $300k in 3.
Right, but I'm talking about blogs. I'd love to see one of "our" blogs pull in that kind of money, and Right Roots is a start but still can't compete with the Kos-tards. Every penny counts.
Right, but I'm talking about blogs. I'd love to see one of "our" blogs pull in that kind of money, and Right Roots is a start but still can't compete with the Kos-tards. Every penny counts.
Posted by: Beth at October 02, 2006 09:48 PM (yqiXY)
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Good point Tex.
That disdain toward voters is a very liberal attitude. Then again, he could be a blue blood elitist type. Heh, who am I kidding...one and the same.
That disdain toward voters is a very liberal attitude. Then again, he could be a blue blood elitist type. Heh, who am I kidding...one and the same.
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 09:49 PM (jhhLS)
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Beth:
Again, I wouldn't trust the political instincts of any GOP candidate who took money from conservative blogs. There's a reason Kos is going to be 0 for 25+ in generals within a few weeks.
Again, I wouldn't trust the political instincts of any GOP candidate who took money from conservative blogs. There's a reason Kos is going to be 0 for 25+ in generals within a few weeks.
Posted by: at October 02, 2006 09:51 PM (HSMDH)
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Well, 1234's said quite a few things I wouldn't say in this thread, but if he's really working on a campaign, consider cutting him some slack, guys. We're heading onto the last lap and this season makes maniacs of us all.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 09:53 PM (HSMDH)
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Dave, hey, I'm sorry I was a prick but seriously, I'm the guy who wants you vote for conservatives in the primaries if you don't like your choices in the general.
Does my acting like an ass help the party? Nope, but comment after comment saying "fuck the GOP, I will never vote for them now" might be construed as unhelpful as well.
Does my acting like an ass help the party? Nope, but comment after comment saying "fuck the GOP, I will never vote for them now" might be construed as unhelpful as well.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 09:55 PM (zk/Yp)
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Maybe the numbered one is square...I dunno. I'll give the benefit of the doubt, I'm out of it today.
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 09:55 PM (jhhLS)
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 09:57 PM (jhhLS)
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seattle slough
We are still paying for Jimmy Carter's fucking fecklessness. Are you too thick to see that? Here's how it goes. 9/11 wasn't Bush's fault and it wasn't Clinton's fault. It was Jimmy Fuckin' Carter's fault. Carter deliberately undermined the progressive and Westernized Shah, because he dressed too much like a Republican -- oh, and oh yeah had a bad "human rights record" because of his suppression of Islamic radicalism. The Iranian radicals who were a thousand times worses then took over our embassy, and were expecting a fight, and Jimmy wouldn't give it to them. Warren Fuckin' Christopher wouldn't green light a rescue mission in which the kidnappers, the kidnappers, might get killed. There are numerous witnesses to Christopher's objection. He asked the military to aim for the shoulders or the legs. The Soviets saw what a pussy Carter was, and decided to invade Afghanistan. The Soviets themselves say this. Once they saw we would not fight nutty students -- students! fucking nutcase caveman 19 year olds -- they knew they could do whatever they wanted. Osama was radicalized by the Afghanistan invasion, they expelled the Soviets, and guess what? Osama thought it was "Allah" that defeated the Soviets, and having defeated the one superpower, he figured he could take on the other one, and started dreaming of blowing up New York and Washington. If the Iranian students had endured a sound beating in 1979 none of this would have happened.
Compare and contrast: Reagan's response to Khaddafi's terrorism: bomb Khaddafi and blow up his family. Result: Khaddafi got out of the business.
If Jimmy Carter had the guts to call the embassy takeover what it was -- an act of war -- and kicked the asses of those 19 year old religious wackos, one of whom is the current President of Iran (wouldn't it have been nice if he had been killed back in '79?), we wouldn't have had the current problems with resurgent Islamic radicalism.
Bottom line: Democrats post-Vietnam will not green light any operation that results in the deaths of sworn enemies of the United States. They'll do it for humanitarian reasons, but they will not do it for national interest reasons because fundamentally the Democrats do not believe in the nation state. They are internationalists. They want to deconstruct the nation state, not preserve it. You don't give the reins of a nation state to a party that hates nation states any more that you would loan your car to a stock car rally driver.
We may be on the brink of nuclear war -- remember how upset Dems used to be about that, making movies and shit, and now that it's more likely than ever with certifiable nutcases pursuing the bomb to kill all the Jews they don't seem to care -- because Jimmy Carter failed to say three words: "Just do it." That's all he had to say and the US military even in its weakened state would have handled the rest, but he couldn't say it because he couldn't bear the thought of harming a hair of the beards of dangerous maniacs like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the mighty US military trembled before the assembled forces of teeny-boppers from a medieval theocracy.
Trivia: The song "Whip it!" by Devo -- hardcore Democrats all at the time -- is about Jimmy Carter's impotence, because even they couldn't understand why he didn't "whip" Iran. Seriously, the pasty pale fops from Devo were more hardcore than Jimmy Carter. We're still paying for his imbecility nearly three decades later.
We are still paying for Jimmy Carter's fucking fecklessness. Are you too thick to see that? Here's how it goes. 9/11 wasn't Bush's fault and it wasn't Clinton's fault. It was Jimmy Fuckin' Carter's fault. Carter deliberately undermined the progressive and Westernized Shah, because he dressed too much like a Republican -- oh, and oh yeah had a bad "human rights record" because of his suppression of Islamic radicalism. The Iranian radicals who were a thousand times worses then took over our embassy, and were expecting a fight, and Jimmy wouldn't give it to them. Warren Fuckin' Christopher wouldn't green light a rescue mission in which the kidnappers, the kidnappers, might get killed. There are numerous witnesses to Christopher's objection. He asked the military to aim for the shoulders or the legs. The Soviets saw what a pussy Carter was, and decided to invade Afghanistan. The Soviets themselves say this. Once they saw we would not fight nutty students -- students! fucking nutcase caveman 19 year olds -- they knew they could do whatever they wanted. Osama was radicalized by the Afghanistan invasion, they expelled the Soviets, and guess what? Osama thought it was "Allah" that defeated the Soviets, and having defeated the one superpower, he figured he could take on the other one, and started dreaming of blowing up New York and Washington. If the Iranian students had endured a sound beating in 1979 none of this would have happened.
Compare and contrast: Reagan's response to Khaddafi's terrorism: bomb Khaddafi and blow up his family. Result: Khaddafi got out of the business.
If Jimmy Carter had the guts to call the embassy takeover what it was -- an act of war -- and kicked the asses of those 19 year old religious wackos, one of whom is the current President of Iran (wouldn't it have been nice if he had been killed back in '79?), we wouldn't have had the current problems with resurgent Islamic radicalism.
Bottom line: Democrats post-Vietnam will not green light any operation that results in the deaths of sworn enemies of the United States. They'll do it for humanitarian reasons, but they will not do it for national interest reasons because fundamentally the Democrats do not believe in the nation state. They are internationalists. They want to deconstruct the nation state, not preserve it. You don't give the reins of a nation state to a party that hates nation states any more that you would loan your car to a stock car rally driver.
We may be on the brink of nuclear war -- remember how upset Dems used to be about that, making movies and shit, and now that it's more likely than ever with certifiable nutcases pursuing the bomb to kill all the Jews they don't seem to care -- because Jimmy Carter failed to say three words: "Just do it." That's all he had to say and the US military even in its weakened state would have handled the rest, but he couldn't say it because he couldn't bear the thought of harming a hair of the beards of dangerous maniacs like Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the mighty US military trembled before the assembled forces of teeny-boppers from a medieval theocracy.
Trivia: The song "Whip it!" by Devo -- hardcore Democrats all at the time -- is about Jimmy Carter's impotence, because even they couldn't understand why he didn't "whip" Iran. Seriously, the pasty pale fops from Devo were more hardcore than Jimmy Carter. We're still paying for his imbecility nearly three decades later.
Posted by: caspera at October 02, 2006 09:57 PM (jylGY)
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1234, I totally agree about the apathy > dissatisfaction. And of course, there are real differences of opinion within the party, anyway. Everyone thinks their opinion is The Correct Opinion (when in actuality, only mine is), and everyone thinks they are "the base." (No need for me to rehash my opinion on that silly idea; I'm sure you think the same on that one anyway.)
OK, back to AoSHQ Lifestyle. Heinous joke of the day:
First Amish shooting joke:
BANG BANG!
THOU ART DEAD!
OK, back to AoSHQ Lifestyle. Heinous joke of the day:
First Amish shooting joke:
BANG BANG!
THOU ART DEAD!
Posted by: Beth at October 02, 2006 09:59 PM (yqiXY)
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Ditto what Caspera said.
Posted by: Beth at October 02, 2006 10:01 PM (yqiXY)
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Amish shooting jokes...I'm from PA, I've got this
*clop clop clop*
*bang bang bang*
*clop clop clop clop...*
Amish drive-by.
*clop clop clop*
*bang bang bang*
*clop clop clop clop...*
Amish drive-by.
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 10:02 PM (jhhLS)
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Megan.
I wouldn't trust the political instincts of any GOP candidate who took money from conservative blogs.
Well, you've got a point there. Most political bloggers have the political instincts of a bag of hair. ;-)
I wouldn't trust the political instincts of any GOP candidate who took money from conservative blogs.
Well, you've got a point there. Most political bloggers have the political instincts of a bag of hair. ;-)
Posted by: Beth at October 02, 2006 10:03 PM (yqiXY)
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Exactly.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 10:05 PM (HSMDH)
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Incidentally, Senator Frist's ACU rating is 92 in 2005, 89 lifetime. Yeah, total RINO there.
Posted by: Megan at October 02, 2006 10:09 PM (HSMDH)
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How many Amish does it take to screw in a light bulb?
What's a light bulb?
(Loved the *clop clop clop*)
Posted by: Ixnay at October 02, 2006 10:09 PM (6/PRN)
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Heh, to channel Dave at GR, its an old joke.
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 10:12 PM (jhhLS)
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Amish drive-by!!!!! HAAAAAAAA!!!!
Posted by: Beth at October 02, 2006 10:12 PM (yqiXY)
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I'm surprised that so many people have never heard that one before, Pennsylavania thing?
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 10:21 PM (jhhLS)
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Dave, hey, I'm sorry I was a prick but seriously, I'm the guy who wants you vote for conservatives in the primaries
Well then you should think I'm the bees knees.
comment after comment saying "fuck the GOP, I will never vote for them now" might be construed as unhelpful as well.
Venting, as someone upthread explained. I know when my family members or friends vent, I let them. I tried saying "fuck you!" once but it made things worse.
All seriousness aside, you apologized, and that's to your credit.
Well then you should think I'm the bees knees.
comment after comment saying "fuck the GOP, I will never vote for them now" might be construed as unhelpful as well.
Venting, as someone upthread explained. I know when my family members or friends vent, I let them. I tried saying "fuck you!" once but it made things worse.
All seriousness aside, you apologized, and that's to your credit.
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 02, 2006 10:24 PM (oCRYB)
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Ok, shooting joke.
Amish guy and his new bride, driving the new horse and carriage given by her parents. Car drives by and spooks the horse. Amish boy finally calms the horse, and yells"that's number one!"
Down the road a piece a dog barks and the horse takes off again. Boy stops the horse and yells, "that's number two!"
'Round the next corner a hunter's gun goes off. Horse bolts again and after the boy stops the horse, yells "that's number three!", and reaches behind for his gun and shoots the horse in the head, dead.
The young wife recoils in horror, "how could you do such a thing, you must be mad!"
He says, " that's number one"
Posted by: Ixnay at October 02, 2006 10:30 PM (6/PRN)
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Heh, heard that'n too Ixxy...
Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 10:39 PM (jhhLS)
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As to sitting this one out:
1) People don't learn without getting kicked in the teeth first. Simple fact of human nature. If the Republicans were to win both the House and the Senate in a few weeks, I guarantee we'll be pissed for the same reasons in two years. The difference would be that we'd have a party with no incentive to do anything differently, because we'd have been continuing to reward them for being a bunch of sissies.
Would the Democrats suck if they controlled Congress? Sure, but it might make the Republicans take a hard look at what the hell they stand for, which, at the moment, is nothing worthwhile. That's not a sure bet, of course, but at this point I'm willing to give the Ponnuru thesis a chance, because Robbie's comment from earlier was right on: we're just enabling a long defeat by voting for them when they act like they have been lately.
2) The comments from "andrew" earlier weren't from me. I would never encourage anyone to vote in this election.
3) 1234--I take your point, but...
First, I refuse to donate to politicians, on the grounds that you don't give money to someone who wants the pleasure of ruling you. It's bad enough that we pay them salaries in the first place and let them stay in office for their natural lives; the fact that they seldom do what we expect once elected just seals the deal. I'd bribe a senator to have him in my pocket, but I won't give to a campaign.
I'm a conservative because I want less government and fewer intrusions into my life, and having to volunteer and write checks and otherwise spend time with a bunch of vain shits all looking for their chance to wear the purple is, for an introvert like me, simply not part of that vision. I'd rather cut off my legs than go to a political fundraiser.
Whew! That should give people some ammo.
1) People don't learn without getting kicked in the teeth first. Simple fact of human nature. If the Republicans were to win both the House and the Senate in a few weeks, I guarantee we'll be pissed for the same reasons in two years. The difference would be that we'd have a party with no incentive to do anything differently, because we'd have been continuing to reward them for being a bunch of sissies.
Would the Democrats suck if they controlled Congress? Sure, but it might make the Republicans take a hard look at what the hell they stand for, which, at the moment, is nothing worthwhile. That's not a sure bet, of course, but at this point I'm willing to give the Ponnuru thesis a chance, because Robbie's comment from earlier was right on: we're just enabling a long defeat by voting for them when they act like they have been lately.
2) The comments from "andrew" earlier weren't from me. I would never encourage anyone to vote in this election.
3) 1234--I take your point, but...
First, I refuse to donate to politicians, on the grounds that you don't give money to someone who wants the pleasure of ruling you. It's bad enough that we pay them salaries in the first place and let them stay in office for their natural lives; the fact that they seldom do what we expect once elected just seals the deal. I'd bribe a senator to have him in my pocket, but I won't give to a campaign.
I'm a conservative because I want less government and fewer intrusions into my life, and having to volunteer and write checks and otherwise spend time with a bunch of vain shits all looking for their chance to wear the purple is, for an introvert like me, simply not part of that vision. I'd rather cut off my legs than go to a political fundraiser.
Whew! That should give people some ammo.
Posted by: Andrew at October 02, 2006 10:46 PM (e9xdO)
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Frist said that he was misquoted. He does not want to surrender to the Taliban, just capitulate to the Taliban supporters.
That is sooo much better!!!
That is sooo much better!!!
Posted by: BarneyG2000 at October 02, 2006 10:55 PM (PMjXZ)
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Sinny, I love the one with the punchline,
"And the young Amish girl yells, FIRE!" Gets me every time. Har
Ace, don't worry about freaking, join the club. I'm a born and bred Republican, and my party has pissed me off to no end. Problem is, the Democrats have nothing to offer me, no ideals, no ideas, no plan. When I'm able to engage Dems. in conversation, they fight me all the way with the knee-jerk reactionary crap. I sometimes end up pleading with them to meet me at the common sense middle, with little luck.
Then we have 1234, who tried to convince us he is a die hard do-gooder, only to do so poorly. He wasn't provocative, he was rude. I think he was just bored.
I'll do what I think is right, and vote accordingly, and accept and deal with the consequenses.
Posted by: Ixnay at October 02, 2006 11:16 PM (6/PRN)
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Dave, if you vote in your primaries, I think you're the bees knees enough to actually admit that I thought your impression of me soliciting on the phone was pretty funny. In point of fact though, I generally tell them that I have their home address after I call them a motherfucker. Then I used to go all Pat O'Brien with it, but they've given me a talking to about that.
Andrew, re: "a bunch of vain shits": some are, some aren't. I don't want to sound too idealistic here but seriously, I've met more than one politician who honestly struck me as simply wanting to perform a civic duty after having a successful career in the private sector. And I've met more than one who got elected and then actually voted to cut my taxes and protect the country. There's some baby in that there bathwater.
As to the hell of a fundraising dinner, oh boy, you're right, I'm a natural extrovert and even I can't stand all that glad-handing, watered down drinks and overcooked chicken.
Andrew, re: "a bunch of vain shits": some are, some aren't. I don't want to sound too idealistic here but seriously, I've met more than one politician who honestly struck me as simply wanting to perform a civic duty after having a successful career in the private sector. And I've met more than one who got elected and then actually voted to cut my taxes and protect the country. There's some baby in that there bathwater.
As to the hell of a fundraising dinner, oh boy, you're right, I'm a natural extrovert and even I can't stand all that glad-handing, watered down drinks and overcooked chicken.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 11:26 PM (zk/Yp)
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Whatever, Ixnay. Take the general apology I offered earlier if you want, or don't, but I don't feel the need to be your bitch after the fact.
Posted by: 1234 at October 02, 2006 11:33 PM (zk/Yp)
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That's what I'm talking about. I'm a disillusioned Republican, the Democrats are pushing me away, and here is a Republican volunteer and fundraiser treating me like this. Will they know who you are when they ask me why? I said you were rude, and you are, previous disclaimer not withsatanding.
I stopped giving nationally around 1990. Was proud to help elect many local and state politicians since then. Proud to be beside a few good people when they got the win by 200 votes or less. I worked hard, and never talked about it til now.
Everyone needs to use their effort to unite the middle majority. Just tell me where and when........and who.
Peace 1234, you piss me off, but we're on the same side.
Posted by: Ixnay at October 02, 2006 11:48 PM (6/PRN)
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Ixnay, the "middle majority?" I don't think you'll find too many around here who call themselves the "middle." And see, that's my point above. All the people who are ready to call it quits all have DIFFERENT ideas. Maybe y'all agree on some, but I'll bet most of you have different views on a lot of things. Except maybe for one--that Democrats will fuck things up We are at war, remember--and those morons want to impeach Bush because (OMG!) some "brown" people got killed in a war! Because Bush "lied" and 9-11 was ALL his and Cheney's doing (or at least, all their fault).
Posted by: Beth at October 03, 2006 12:02 AM (yqiXY)
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"Arguably we have never been more grossly mismanaged than the past six years"
Slough, everything you say and think is arguable. Anytime someone says this is the worst ever (government, war etc...) they sound like an idiot. History is long and complicated and you don't understand much of anything. Stick with "Bush is a nazi" or "Iraq is arabic for vietnam", it works for you. A stupid bumpersticker that doesn't make sense and lacks any depth or rational thought is your thing (like Clinton and lying or W. Bush and horrible public speaking) Have fun being managed you stupid fuck.
Slough, everything you say and think is arguable. Anytime someone says this is the worst ever (government, war etc...) they sound like an idiot. History is long and complicated and you don't understand much of anything. Stick with "Bush is a nazi" or "Iraq is arabic for vietnam", it works for you. A stupid bumpersticker that doesn't make sense and lacks any depth or rational thought is your thing (like Clinton and lying or W. Bush and horrible public speaking) Have fun being managed you stupid fuck.
Posted by: mike at October 03, 2006 12:09 AM (KZ/BB)
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Ixnay, I'm not the Republican party, I'm just a dude who acted like a jerk.
If I've given the misperception here that I have any real role in the party, let me be clear. I don't have any influence within the party other than the rather generic principle of the people who do have power know that I'm going to go towards the conservative during the primary. That's it. I can't speak for the party in general or be an asshole on it's behalf because I'm simply too small of a deal.
Honestly, I was reading through Ace's post and hit the line that said, "We deserve better, but it is what it is." And I flipped out because as a party we deserve exactly what we get because we're the ones who put them there on the general ticket. It's passing the buck, that's what it is. Republican voters put these guys onto the ticket. Not the Dems, not the media, we do it, every single primary season.
So, it pissed me off, I reacted poorly and pissed other people off. But, dude, I'm just a random schmuck finishing off a bad day.
And, you're right, we're on the same team so yeah, sorry for the friendly fire.
If I've given the misperception here that I have any real role in the party, let me be clear. I don't have any influence within the party other than the rather generic principle of the people who do have power know that I'm going to go towards the conservative during the primary. That's it. I can't speak for the party in general or be an asshole on it's behalf because I'm simply too small of a deal.
Honestly, I was reading through Ace's post and hit the line that said, "We deserve better, but it is what it is." And I flipped out because as a party we deserve exactly what we get because we're the ones who put them there on the general ticket. It's passing the buck, that's what it is. Republican voters put these guys onto the ticket. Not the Dems, not the media, we do it, every single primary season.
So, it pissed me off, I reacted poorly and pissed other people off. But, dude, I'm just a random schmuck finishing off a bad day.
And, you're right, we're on the same team so yeah, sorry for the friendly fire.
Posted by: 1234 at October 03, 2006 12:19 AM (zk/Yp)
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Beth, what's wrong with the middle? I'ts warm and fuzzy in here. With kindred spirits surrounded by the wierdo fringe's.
I haven't quit, I'm energized, motivated, fightin' mad, and dreaming. Different ideas? You have the 'Correct Opinion', and I'll bet is't good. You read blogs, you're informed, topical, ideas frothing.....Well I'm the base, let's have a drink.
Like I told digits, we're not that far apart. Don't let the way I characterize my position sway your opinion of us. Like all the others this has not been a good week, and it's only, Monday!
I need that drink!
Posted by: Ixnay at October 03, 2006 12:36 AM (6/PRN)
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Actually, while I hope the Republicans maintain the Senate, this is not a bad time for a meltdown. Give the Democrats a chance to show what they are made of (not much). Let's just hope we have a President winning in 2008 who is committed to fighting the GWOT.
Posted by: Joe at October 03, 2006 12:38 AM (+PS1/)
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eh, we all deserve better but not no damn demonorat.
Posted by: terry at October 03, 2006 12:52 AM (aK6q5)
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 03:21 AM (qF8q3)
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Hey bbeck, such a pleasure hearing your inane prattling again.
Quick reality check.
A moby pretends to be a Republican and subtly disparages the President and party.
For the sake of argument, let's say that I'm pretending to be a Republican, you'll still have to notice that what pisses you off is that I'm not so subtly disparaging fickle Republican voters. I like Bush. Unlike you. I want the Republicans to win this round. Unlike you. Does that sink in at all? Do you understand how stupid it sounds for someone who has made it clear how much they hate the Republican party to claim that someone else is covertly trying to hurt that party? Do you have any critical reasoning functions whatsoever?
But fine, let's play the Moby game. Occam would point us towards, uhhh, maybe all these people who claim to be Republicans, but who all seem to want them to lose elections. Robbie seems like one for instance. You on the other hand seem to simply be a near perfect bitch who makes decisions based on your wild emotions.
Now go back to eating your bon-bons, fat ass, and fuck off. You made it perfectly clear that you jumped ship during the Harriet Myers affair, I'm not too worried about alienating you from the party.
Quick reality check.
A moby pretends to be a Republican and subtly disparages the President and party.
For the sake of argument, let's say that I'm pretending to be a Republican, you'll still have to notice that what pisses you off is that I'm not so subtly disparaging fickle Republican voters. I like Bush. Unlike you. I want the Republicans to win this round. Unlike you. Does that sink in at all? Do you understand how stupid it sounds for someone who has made it clear how much they hate the Republican party to claim that someone else is covertly trying to hurt that party? Do you have any critical reasoning functions whatsoever?
But fine, let's play the Moby game. Occam would point us towards, uhhh, maybe all these people who claim to be Republicans, but who all seem to want them to lose elections. Robbie seems like one for instance. You on the other hand seem to simply be a near perfect bitch who makes decisions based on your wild emotions.
Now go back to eating your bon-bons, fat ass, and fuck off. You made it perfectly clear that you jumped ship during the Harriet Myers affair, I'm not too worried about alienating you from the party.
Posted by: 1234 at October 03, 2006 04:05 AM (zk/Yp)
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A moby pretends to be a Republican and subtly disparages the President and party.
Michelle Malkin's a Moby, huh? Wow, I really hate being in that group.
I never said I was a Republican, douche. I am a registered Republican, but I don't take marching orders from them. I can understand how much that ticks you myrmidons off.
For the sake of argument...
You expect me to listen to what you have to say after your charming intro? LOL. What happened to your reality check a second ago? Your typed-out spit string is just an affirmation that I'm 100 percent right. That's enough for me to read!
Now stop dreaming of my azz, creep. I'm a female and wouldn't do it for you anyway.
Michelle Malkin's a Moby, huh? Wow, I really hate being in that group.
I never said I was a Republican, douche. I am a registered Republican, but I don't take marching orders from them. I can understand how much that ticks you myrmidons off.
For the sake of argument...
You expect me to listen to what you have to say after your charming intro? LOL. What happened to your reality check a second ago? Your typed-out spit string is just an affirmation that I'm 100 percent right. That's enough for me to read!
Now stop dreaming of my azz, creep. I'm a female and wouldn't do it for you anyway.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 04:16 AM (qF8q3)
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"Michelle Malkin's a Moby, huh?"
For the record, I don't think she is. She's mostly just clueless and shrill.
For the record, I don't think she is. She's mostly just clueless and shrill.
Posted by: Megan at October 03, 2006 04:28 AM (HSMDH)
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Wow, so you are actually retarded.
Do you even know what a "myrmidon" is?
So, I'm both a Moby and a braindead Republican foot soldier. Wow.
Again, I think you're actually retarded. But yet, I don't actually feel bad about picking on you. Go figure.
Do you even know what a "myrmidon" is?
So, I'm both a Moby and a braindead Republican foot soldier. Wow.
Again, I think you're actually retarded. But yet, I don't actually feel bad about picking on you. Go figure.
Posted by: 1234 at October 03, 2006 04:35 AM (zk/Yp)
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 04:36 AM (qF8q3)
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So, I'm both a Moby and a braindead Republican foot soldier. Wow.
HEY DUMBAZZ!
I never called you a MOBY.
HAHAHAHA!
What an IDIOT!
Again, I think you're actually retarded. But yet, I don't actually feel bad about picking on you. Go figure.
Hee hee! Try picking on me while making some sense!
HEY DUMBAZZ!
I never called you a MOBY.
HAHAHAHA!
What an IDIOT!
Again, I think you're actually retarded. But yet, I don't actually feel bad about picking on you. Go figure.
Hee hee! Try picking on me while making some sense!
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 04:39 AM (qF8q3)
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Funny how a) you didn't mention you weren't saying that with your first response when that was all I talked about and b) how Dave (whom you said you find yourself in agreement with) was talking about was me being a Moby.
But yeah, I'm just talking crazy.
But yeah, I'm just talking crazy.
Posted by: 1234 at October 03, 2006 04:50 AM (zk/Yp)
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Funny how a) you didn't mention you weren't saying that with your first response when that was all I talked about and...
What??? I just said I was a Moby, you MORON.
I didn't respond to you until you responded to me just a little while ago. You posted above that? Pfft, I don't read your garbage. You should give your ego a rest and stop assuming the Thinking Folks here ever read your slop.
b) how Dave (whom you said you find yourself in agreement with) was talking about was me being a Moby.
I am in agreement with THIS post of his....
yeah, I know what it's gonna be like. It's gonna be ugly enough that the jerkoffs I've been voting into office for 20 years may finally get the goddam message.
I do not understand why Republicans are so stupid.
..and if he was posting about YOU, you'll excuse me if I don't pay attention to that, either. I...couldn't...care...less...what...you...say...or...what...is...said...about...you. Don't cry too hard.
But, of COURSE your ego DEMANDS that I was agreeing with Tx Dave about YOU!
HAHAHAHAHA!
Oh man, this is worth staying up this late!
But yeah, I'm just talking crazy.
Don't flatter yourself. You're just talking STUPID.
There's a big ol' difference.
What??? I just said I was a Moby, you MORON.
I didn't respond to you until you responded to me just a little while ago. You posted above that? Pfft, I don't read your garbage. You should give your ego a rest and stop assuming the Thinking Folks here ever read your slop.
b) how Dave (whom you said you find yourself in agreement with) was talking about was me being a Moby.
I am in agreement with THIS post of his....
yeah, I know what it's gonna be like. It's gonna be ugly enough that the jerkoffs I've been voting into office for 20 years may finally get the goddam message.
I do not understand why Republicans are so stupid.
..and if he was posting about YOU, you'll excuse me if I don't pay attention to that, either. I...couldn't...care...less...what...you...say...or...what...is...said...about...you. Don't cry too hard.
But, of COURSE your ego DEMANDS that I was agreeing with Tx Dave about YOU!
HAHAHAHAHA!
Oh man, this is worth staying up this late!
But yeah, I'm just talking crazy.
Don't flatter yourself. You're just talking STUPID.
There's a big ol' difference.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 05:03 AM (qF8q3)
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Democratic position:
If we get out of Iraq, we have an outside chance of winning the much smaller and simpler war in Afghanistan.
That's it in a nutshell.
If we get out of Iraq, we have an outside chance of winning the much smaller and simpler war in Afghanistan.
That's it in a nutshell.
Posted by: Nathanael Nerode at October 03, 2006 06:11 AM (VBoub)
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I am lov-lovin' watching all you dumbass Republicans whine about how useless and corrupt your party is. I've been telling you clowns that for YEARS.
Posted by: Steve Largento at October 03, 2006 07:52 AM (62NkU)
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I am lov-lovin' watching all you dumbass Republicans whine about how useless and corrupt your party is.
I take it you've also noticed how we all have said it's still about a million times better than the Democrats.
I've been telling you clowns that for YEARS.
Great information from a physician who refuseth to heal himselfeth.
I take it you've also noticed how we all have said it's still about a million times better than the Democrats.
I've been telling you clowns that for YEARS.
Great information from a physician who refuseth to heal himselfeth.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 08:47 AM (qF8q3)
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Steve, precious, we're criticizing Republicans for going along with dumbass Democrats.
Was that point lost on you?
Was that point lost on you?
Posted by: Dave in Texas at October 03, 2006 09:24 AM (pzen5)
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"Hel-lo Kettle!"
...yeah. Difference is, I actually get things accomplished.
Malkin just whines.
...yeah. Difference is, I actually get things accomplished.
Malkin just whines.
Posted by: Megan at October 03, 2006 09:40 AM (HSMDH)
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"That is the reason most people with the means to live anywhere choose to live in the blue states."
?
?
Posted by: Knemon at October 03, 2006 10:20 AM (a00Gh)
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...yeah. Difference is, I actually get things accomplished.
Malkin just whines.
You must be the True Republican. No sarcasm there. I beleive you might be. True Red Team participant, exhibiting tribalism at it's best. 'Our guys' against 'your guys'.
But thinking you've done more to get Republicans elected? Does this opinion stem from the fact you seem to think campaign contributions are more important then voters?
Malkin might be shrill, but you are the definition of a shill.
For some people it's all about the Red Team vs. the Blue Team. Winning so that you can claim dominance for the social group you identify win and say 'Hah! Suck it! We are the winnars!'
Well good on you. Most of us find that sort of thing on the ballfield rather then wanting it in Congress.
Malkin just whines.
You must be the True Republican. No sarcasm there. I beleive you might be. True Red Team participant, exhibiting tribalism at it's best. 'Our guys' against 'your guys'.
But thinking you've done more to get Republicans elected? Does this opinion stem from the fact you seem to think campaign contributions are more important then voters?
Malkin might be shrill, but you are the definition of a shill.
For some people it's all about the Red Team vs. the Blue Team. Winning so that you can claim dominance for the social group you identify win and say 'Hah! Suck it! We are the winnars!'
Well good on you. Most of us find that sort of thing on the ballfield rather then wanting it in Congress.
Posted by: Entropy at October 03, 2006 11:23 AM (m6c4H)
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You made it perfectly clear that you jumped ship during the Harriet Myers affair, I'm not too worried about alienating you from the party.
That's the whole problem with the GOP.
They're not worried.
Most party men and party women seem to be of the opinion they can tell the vocal critics to STFU and take a hike, and all the rest will fall in line behind the Red Team like they're suppose to because they've been drafted and have a 20 year contract.
That is a reason to worry about the GOP's electability.
That's the whole problem with the GOP.
They're not worried.
Most party men and party women seem to be of the opinion they can tell the vocal critics to STFU and take a hike, and all the rest will fall in line behind the Red Team like they're suppose to because they've been drafted and have a 20 year contract.
That is a reason to worry about the GOP's electability.
Posted by: Entropy at October 03, 2006 11:28 AM (m6c4H)
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Difference is, I actually get things accomplished.
We didn't need another example of the clueless portion of the statement.
We didn't need another example of the clueless portion of the statement.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 11:45 AM (qF8q3)
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"Well good on you. Most of us find that sort of thing on the ballfield rather then wanting it in Congress."
Entropy: "Bipartisan" is another word for "loser."
"We didn't need another example of the clueless portion of the statement."
Let me argue at your level, bbeck.
I know you are but what am I?
Go borrow some intelligence from your husband, will you? I don't need to talk to the monkey if the organ-grinder is around.
Entropy: "Bipartisan" is another word for "loser."
"We didn't need another example of the clueless portion of the statement."
Let me argue at your level, bbeck.
I know you are but what am I?
Go borrow some intelligence from your husband, will you? I don't need to talk to the monkey if the organ-grinder is around.
Posted by: Megan at October 03, 2006 12:38 PM (HSMDH)
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Let me argue at your level, bbeck.
By all means, come up here.
I know you are but what am I?
It's nice to see you attempt a plateau higher than you've attained thus far. Keep climbing, you'll reach me eventually.
Go borrow some intelligence from your husband, will you?
Why? I'm only talking to you.
I don't need to talk to the monkey if the organ-grinder is around.
I'm sure you'd be glad to worship the monkey if it had Gucci stamped on its rump.
Now, feel free to wow yourself again with those "intellectual" posts containing constant references to whining and crybabies.
By all means, come up here.
I know you are but what am I?
It's nice to see you attempt a plateau higher than you've attained thus far. Keep climbing, you'll reach me eventually.
Go borrow some intelligence from your husband, will you?
Why? I'm only talking to you.
I don't need to talk to the monkey if the organ-grinder is around.
I'm sure you'd be glad to worship the monkey if it had Gucci stamped on its rump.
Now, feel free to wow yourself again with those "intellectual" posts containing constant references to whining and crybabies.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 12:46 PM (qF8q3)
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"Keep climbing, you'll reach me eventually."
This I doubt. Can't be too many horses that high in the world.
"Gucci"
I don't buy that far downmarket.
"Now, feel free to wow yourself again with those "intellectual" posts containing constant references to whining and crybabies."
Well, I know I'm not wowing you, since you seem to be confused by simple comparative benefit analysis. Give it another shot.
This I doubt. Can't be too many horses that high in the world.
"Gucci"
I don't buy that far downmarket.
"Now, feel free to wow yourself again with those "intellectual" posts containing constant references to whining and crybabies."
Well, I know I'm not wowing you, since you seem to be confused by simple comparative benefit analysis. Give it another shot.
Posted by: Megan at October 03, 2006 12:52 PM (HSMDH)
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Entropy: "Bipartisan" is another word for "loser."
I'm not talking about bipartisanship, Megan. I'm talking about tribalism. You know, group identity, 'my party, right or wrong'? No, you don't know. Obviously it went over your head.
Some people are republicans because republicans represent what they beleive.
Others beleive what they beleive because it's represented by republicans.
I'm not talking about bipartisanship, Megan. I'm talking about tribalism. You know, group identity, 'my party, right or wrong'? No, you don't know. Obviously it went over your head.
Some people are republicans because republicans represent what they beleive.
Others beleive what they beleive because it's represented by republicans.
Posted by: Entropy at October 03, 2006 01:01 PM (m6c4H)
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Sigh...
I'll try again. Nothing went over my head. I get what you're saying, okay? We're all on the same side, even bbeck and I. I understand what you are saying and I agree with you on what should be. I promise. I really do.
Look, I've never found a candidate anywhere near as conservative as I am. What should I do? Not vote for anyone and let more liberal people get elected? I don't want to do that. So I choose to fight for the lesser of two evils and do what I can, and not beat myself up too much over what I can't.
This makes me a "shill" how?
I'll try again. Nothing went over my head. I get what you're saying, okay? We're all on the same side, even bbeck and I. I understand what you are saying and I agree with you on what should be. I promise. I really do.
Look, I've never found a candidate anywhere near as conservative as I am. What should I do? Not vote for anyone and let more liberal people get elected? I don't want to do that. So I choose to fight for the lesser of two evils and do what I can, and not beat myself up too much over what I can't.
This makes me a "shill" how?
Posted by: Megan at October 03, 2006 01:07 PM (HSMDH)
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This I doubt.
Well, I do, too, but I keep hoping.
Can't be too many horses that high in the world.
Sure there is. You've been knocked off one plenty of times.
I don't buy that far downmarket.
Stealing it from your johns is probably more gratifying.
Well, I know I'm not wowing you, since you seem to be confused by simple comparative benefit analysis.
You're not wowing anyone outside your own skin.
Give it another shot.
I think Nick has enough problems with politics. I don't need to kick him around over markets. Or pies.
Well, I do, too, but I keep hoping.
Can't be too many horses that high in the world.
Sure there is. You've been knocked off one plenty of times.
I don't buy that far downmarket.
Stealing it from your johns is probably more gratifying.
Well, I know I'm not wowing you, since you seem to be confused by simple comparative benefit analysis.
You're not wowing anyone outside your own skin.
Give it another shot.
I think Nick has enough problems with politics. I don't need to kick him around over markets. Or pies.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 01:12 PM (qF8q3)
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Yeah... okay. I'm not willing to get as nasty as you. Congratulations bbeck, you can count this as a win.
Posted by: Megan at October 03, 2006 01:15 PM (HSMDH)
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While I sympathize with those who want to stay home to punish the GOP, I have to ask one pertinent question about this approach. What guarantee is there that the new minority GOP party will understand that they lost the election because they weren't conservative enough? In other words, isn't it just as likely that all the punditry and professional electioneers (see: Megan) will decide that the GOP positions re: immigration, war, judges, etc., were too harsh and they need to soften their positions in order to win?
By withholding your votes, it is just as likely that the new loser GOP party will move to the left as it is that they'll move to the right.
How does the sit-it-out crowd answer that?
By withholding your votes, it is just as likely that the new loser GOP party will move to the left as it is that they'll move to the right.
How does the sit-it-out crowd answer that?
Posted by: slackmac at October 03, 2006 01:22 PM (dM/OM)
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Yeah... okay. I'm not willing to get as nasty as you.
Considering the complete lack of respect you've shown anyone not whoring themselves out to the RNC come November, I'd say you deserve what you get.
Congratulations bbeck, you can count this as a win.
"You've done nothing when you've bested a fool." La Boeuf in "True Grit."
But I wasn't trying to accomplish anything anyway.
Considering the complete lack of respect you've shown anyone not whoring themselves out to the RNC come November, I'd say you deserve what you get.
Congratulations bbeck, you can count this as a win.
"You've done nothing when you've bested a fool." La Boeuf in "True Grit."
But I wasn't trying to accomplish anything anyway.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 01:26 PM (qF8q3)
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I have never heard such inane nonsense from such intelligent people.
The Repubs in Congress haven't done everything you wanted. Well slap my ass and call me Nancy. When the hell has THAT ever happened before.
For better or worse we are now 5 weeks from the mid-term elections. We have a choice between two parties. Not between the Dems and the party of unicorns and lollipops but between the deeply flawed Dems on virtually every issue and the far from perfect on many issues, ok on some and pretty damn good on a couple issues, Republicans.
So you have 3 choices. Vote for people you absolute disagree with on every single topic including the WOT, border security, taxes, health care, SS, etc., etc. or vote people you agree with mostly on principle and direction but find lacking on execution or don't vote.
2 of those options are bad for you and your family and are gauranteed to piss you off all the time. 1 of them is ok but will definitely give you moments of disappointment and anger. Is this really a hard choice?
The Repubs in Congress haven't done everything you wanted. Well slap my ass and call me Nancy. When the hell has THAT ever happened before.
For better or worse we are now 5 weeks from the mid-term elections. We have a choice between two parties. Not between the Dems and the party of unicorns and lollipops but between the deeply flawed Dems on virtually every issue and the far from perfect on many issues, ok on some and pretty damn good on a couple issues, Republicans.
So you have 3 choices. Vote for people you absolute disagree with on every single topic including the WOT, border security, taxes, health care, SS, etc., etc. or vote people you agree with mostly on principle and direction but find lacking on execution or don't vote.
2 of those options are bad for you and your family and are gauranteed to piss you off all the time. 1 of them is ok but will definitely give you moments of disappointment and anger. Is this really a hard choice?
Posted by: JackStraw at October 03, 2006 01:27 PM (rnOZq)
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(shrugs) I'm not willing to call you a thief and a prostitute. If that makes me a fool, so be it.
Posted by: Megan at October 03, 2006 01:29 PM (HSMDH)
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(shrugs) I'm not willing to call you a thief and a prostitute.
Well, that's because I'm not either.
If that makes me a fool, so be it.
No, what makes you a fool is that any possible point you may have is too difficult to dig out of the rabid froth and condescension in your posts. I get that you're shallow and petty -- I figure we all do -- so there's no need to prove it all the time.
Well, that's because I'm not either.
If that makes me a fool, so be it.
No, what makes you a fool is that any possible point you may have is too difficult to dig out of the rabid froth and condescension in your posts. I get that you're shallow and petty -- I figure we all do -- so there's no need to prove it all the time.
Posted by: bbeck at October 03, 2006 01:50 PM (qF8q3)
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I think Nick has enough problems with politics. I don't need to kick him around over markets. Or pies.
Sigh. I wasn't even in this thread, until now.
And you still just don't get it.
But as Megan said, go ahead, you win, I'm not willing to be that nasty either.
(Megan is wrong about Michelle Malkin, but I'll leave that for another day)
Sigh. I wasn't even in this thread, until now.
And you still just don't get it.
But as Megan said, go ahead, you win, I'm not willing to be that nasty either.
(Megan is wrong about Michelle Malkin, but I'll leave that for another day)
Posted by: Nick Byram at October 03, 2006 08:12 PM (G556X)
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Sigh. I wasn't even in this thread, until now.
Then go cry to Megan. She brought the other thread up.
And you still just don't get it.
And yes, I still do. Anyone who hilariously says politics isn't a business marketplace and then compares politics to an ECONOMY is numb from the neck up. And before you pull out the High and Mighty, yes, I know what a command economy is, and just because businesses are controlled by government doesn't mean the business marketplace is non-existent.
But as Megan said, go ahead, you win, I'm not willing to be that nasty either.
You know where your righteous indignation belongs so feel free to shove it there.
Then go cry to Megan. She brought the other thread up.
And you still just don't get it.
And yes, I still do. Anyone who hilariously says politics isn't a business marketplace and then compares politics to an ECONOMY is numb from the neck up. And before you pull out the High and Mighty, yes, I know what a command economy is, and just because businesses are controlled by government doesn't mean the business marketplace is non-existent.
But as Megan said, go ahead, you win, I'm not willing to be that nasty either.
You know where your righteous indignation belongs so feel free to shove it there.
Posted by: bbeck at October 04, 2006 09:59 AM (qF8q3)
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Megan is wrong about Michelle Malkin, but I'll leave that for another day
I'll take shot at it.
1. Michelle has focused on a number of stories that have been ignored by the msm and and not extensively covered by other conservative bloggers (at least ones with a lot of traffic) - above all illegal immigration.
2. Michelle gets far far more than her fair share of hate mail and abuse, and she handles very very well. In fact, I think of her as a very brave woman. And if you wonder why I say this, search her archives for some of the e-mails she's received, or do a search on some of the moonbat sites. No one deserves that kind of personal abuse because of their political opinions.
In any event, Michelle should never be called what Megan called her.
3. Michelle calls 'em as she sees 'em. Case in point - Michael Brown and FEMA after Katrina. I don't always agree with her, but I like the fact that she's the complete opposite of a partisan hack.
4. Michelle brought Allah back. That alone would make up for any number of faults, except that imo Michelle doesn't have any more faults than the rest of us mortals.
I'll take shot at it.
1. Michelle has focused on a number of stories that have been ignored by the msm and and not extensively covered by other conservative bloggers (at least ones with a lot of traffic) - above all illegal immigration.
2. Michelle gets far far more than her fair share of hate mail and abuse, and she handles very very well. In fact, I think of her as a very brave woman. And if you wonder why I say this, search her archives for some of the e-mails she's received, or do a search on some of the moonbat sites. No one deserves that kind of personal abuse because of their political opinions.
In any event, Michelle should never be called what Megan called her.
3. Michelle calls 'em as she sees 'em. Case in point - Michael Brown and FEMA after Katrina. I don't always agree with her, but I like the fact that she's the complete opposite of a partisan hack.
4. Michelle brought Allah back. That alone would make up for any number of faults, except that imo Michelle doesn't have any more faults than the rest of us mortals.
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How can you idiots still claim that Democrats are screwing things up? At least be real with yourselves. this has nothing to do with the truth...you guys just want to be RIGHT. You don't seem to care who gets killed....as long as some of you think you're saving face.
Pathetic.
Pathetic.
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