Frist Claims He Was Misquoted: Will Address Issue Shortly

Via MKH, with her own post on the gaffe.

Frist's folks contacted her and claim the story is bullshit. We'll see.

The Statement... is what I expected. It's not that he was misquoted, though he claims to be. It's that he's now adding more "context" and "nuance" to make you try to think that negotiating with Al Qaeda's sponsors is a good idea:

I’m currently overseas visiting our troops in Afghanistan, but I wanted to take a moment to address an Associated Press story titled, “Frist: Taliban Should Be in Afghan Gov’t.” The story badly distorts my remarks and takes them out of context.
First of all, let me make something clear: The Taliban is a murderous band of terrorists who’ve oppressed the people of Afghanistan with their hateful ideology long enough. America’s overthrow of the Taliban and support for responsible, democratic governance in Afghanistan is a great accomplishment that should not and will not be reversed.
Having discussed the situation with commanders on the ground, I believe that we cannot stabilize Afghanistan purely through military means. Our counter-insurgency strategy must win hearts and minds and persuade moderate Islamists potentially sympathetic to the Taliban to accept the legitimacy of the Afghan national government and democratic political processes.
National reconciliation is a necessary and an urgent priority … but America will never negotiate with terrorists or support their entry into Afghanistan’s government.

With all due respect, those who are merely "sympathetic" to the Taliban aren't currently barred from serving in the government, having no record to disbar them.

So how to square this circle?

If Afghanistan truly cannot be de-Taibanized, it's time to pull up stakes there and simply begin bombing it as frequently as necessary to kill as many Afghans as possible.

They either reject Talibanism or bin Ladinism or they don't. They killed 3000 people. Before, one could claim they didn't know what the Taliban was up to. Now there are no such excuses.

If they still are unwilling to reject the Taliban, let them reap the whirlwind.

And as for Frist -- well, thanks for your service, and goodbye, and try not to say anything stupid in the next five weeks. As a Senator, you make a hell of a heart surgeon.

Let me do you a solid and let you know there's really, really no point sinking any time or money into that presidential bid.

Just a little political consulting for you. Gratis.

Posted by: Ace at 05:52 PM

Comments

1 Now, try some SpotShot on those trousers. Or just let Ken Layne wear them as is.

Cordially...

Posted by: Rick at October 02, 2006 05:57 PM (2QPR+)

2 From VOLPAC:

I’m currently overseas visiting our troops in Afghanistan, but I wanted to take a moment to address an Associated Press story titled, “Frist: Taliban Should Be in Afghan Gov’t.” The story badly distorts my remarks and takes them out of context.

First of all, let me make something clear: The Taliban is a murderous band of terrorists who’ve oppressed the people of Afghanistan with their hateful ideology long enough. America’s overthrow of the Taliban and support for responsible, democratic governance in Afghanistan is a great accomplishment that should not and will not be reversed.

Having discussed the situation with commanders on the ground, I believe that we cannot stabilize Afghanistan purely through military means. Our counter-insurgency strategy must win hearts and minds and persuade moderate Islamists potentially sympathetic to the Taliban to accept the legitimacy of the Afghan national government and democratic political processes.

National reconciliation is a necessary and an urgent priority … but America will never negotiate with terrorists or support their entry into Afghanistan’s government.

Posted by: mesablue at October 02, 2006 05:58 PM (DzeyU)

3 Hmph. We'll fucking see.

Posted by: Sinistar at October 02, 2006 06:00 PM (jhhLS)

4 Who are the "moderate Islamists"? Isn't that an oxymoron?

Posted by: See-Dubya at October 02, 2006 06:02 PM (NZHCc)

5 Moderate Islamist -- A Muslim who believes that 8 should be the minimum age for stoning girls.

Frist is an idiot.

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at October 02, 2006 06:04 PM (KeOQp)

6 seems to be backtracking...

Still, I would prefer GOP senators to be supporting the complete destruction of elements like the Taliban.

Posted by: prolix at October 02, 2006 06:04 PM (LpXdr)

7 Somebody's being manipulated by the msm, and it's not me.

We all have to realize that in the next 4-5 weeks the msm is going to bombard us with 'news' that reflects badly on one or more Republicans and/or is intended to demoralize the Republican base.

The Frist 'story' was obviously intended to demoralize the base, and judging from the comments in the thread below, the msm can look at itself in the mrror and say "Well done".

Posted by: max at October 02, 2006 06:06 PM (210f1)

8 He has to know that he was videotaped, right? So we'll know one way or the other. If he was intentionally misquoted or taken out of context, what about martinez?

If this was a bad hit job then it will help show the bias against the war in the media even more clearly, if it wasn't and he is lying (again) then he cost the party both houses and lost the war.

Posted by: Paul in Iowa at October 02, 2006 06:08 PM (qzOby)

9 But the AP would never get a story wrong about the middle east. My worldview is crashing down around me and when I look at my daughter tears are flowing down her little cheeks.

Posted by: Stormy70 at October 02, 2006 06:09 PM (SXQle)

10 Oh, thank God.

Posted by: Bard at October 02, 2006 06:12 PM (03t+h)

11 Backpedaling already?

So my timetable was wrong.

Posted by: bbeck at October 02, 2006 06:13 PM (qF8q3)

12 The original Frist thread, the Foley thread based on the 'story' claiming Hastert had seen the really bad Foley ims and perhaps a couple of other threads reminds me on a phenomenon I see in real life all the time among friends who are Republicans and whose primary source of news is one of the alphabet networks.

They are what I call 'angry Republicans', who are always steamed up about something the Republicans are/aren't doing, and yet are never angry at the Democrats.

The reason for this is because every day they allow themselves to be fed the anti-Republican trash that is called 'news' by ABC, CBS, NBC and CNN.

Result (predicable): They are angry about whatever it is that the msm told them to be angry about. They don't turn Democrat, but they do become less motivated and far more inclined to withdraw from the political process than they otherwise would be.

I beg them to Stop Watching The News on Television, but it's like a drug for some of them.

But we should all be aware that from the msm's point of view, the Dems can win without our votes, as long as we don't vote at all.

Please from now through the upcoming election, take every negative Republican msm 'story' with a grain of salt.

Posted by: max at October 02, 2006 06:27 PM (210f1)

13 I am sure there were people like frist who said we could never de-nazify germany. They were wrong then and are wrong today. The republican party is making it harder and harder for me to vote for them. We can't detaliban afghanistan, we can't stop illegals from swamping our borders. We can fix all of these problems with guts and a spine unfortunately the party i have supported since 1980 has lost its guts and spine.

Posted by: i4cu2 at October 02, 2006 06:27 PM (DkaVy)

Well, look if one wants him gone for other reasons (and I'd probably agree with you if you were to list them) that's one thing. But let's make sure we're getting him for the right reasons.

Never, ever trust the Associated Press. Their track record on reporting is just horrendous. Regardless of ideology - they just cannot get basic facts right.

Frankly, Islam is facing a crisis of modernity, something all religions have had to face. Part of the appeal when such a crisis occurs is to look back to the glory days of the Caliphate when Islam ruled great swathes of land. How we help those who understand that the future is not in the past escapes me. But war by itself isn't the answer.

Not that I'm accusing anyone here of advocating that simplistic approach.

Posted by: EricH at October 02, 2006 06:32 PM (zauWt)

15 NEW YORK (AP) -- Polls show that 99% of Republicans use the word "macaca" daily. Another poll reveals that 68% of Republicans think it is okay to enslave Blacks. Half of Republicans want to ban dancing and oral sex. Thirty-three percent of Republicans polled want to outlaw Toyotas and make it mandatory for everyone to own a gun.

Posted by: scoop jackson-goldstein at October 02, 2006 06:32 PM (KxFa0)

16 So did Frist decide that he couldn't win the GOP nomination and decide to run for the Democrat nomination instead?

Frist has had hell of a week...banning internet poker, letting felons work at ports as part of 'port security' and coining a new term..."Moderate Islamist" (WTF is that?). I don't think he's quite ready for prime time..or late night for that matter.

Go back to Tennessee, save lives as surgeon and make lots of money...you're done politically, alas it's a week too late.

Posted by: Drew at October 02, 2006 06:33 PM (Y2fNF)

17 Frist is a doctor so he doesn't get this, and I might not either, but I think I understand the advantages, of allowing former talibani's to take a minute role, even if they were dead on.

It's like a lot of forms of asymetrical strategy. What you do is you create a deliberaly negotiated safe haven with indivuals who are not sympathetic, and you allow them to establish enough of a power base, that they become emoldened, removing all support from us, who have given them a chance, and you destroy the whole thing.

It DID! work in vietnam, the concept of the unsafe haven. It dates back to before sun-tzu. If you allow someone only ONE out, then you can identify all of your enemies in that area, because only the enemies are the ones fleeing through that one out.

By engaging in a broad strategy in numerous nations, makes smaller "strongholds" feel emboldened, and by giving them conditional normal status, as long as they don't act against, and adhere to turning over all AQ, then they think they got one over on us, BUT eventually, they screw up, and there is absolutely nothing whatsoever to hold us back from turning that area of land into a batch of dirt (which it is anyways, even ther fucking houses are made of durt) blood, bone and grey matter.

When they cross us once, they no longer have an excuse, thats the idea behind this.

Though, it only works, if you don't open your fucking mouth and say "we KNOW they are acting in bad faith so we are just waiting for a chance to fertilize the land for the first time in the 11 hundred history of islam in the region with something that will grow food rather than zealottous islamic retards"

So, the strategy is a failure. Though if people could shut their fucking mouths, and take a hit politicaly, it could work phenomenaly.(spelling?)

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 02, 2006 06:40 PM (QTv8u)

18 Once again, didn't seem that long. At least most of the others were pretty wordy too.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 02, 2006 06:42 PM (QTv8u)

19 I want to believe.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure I do. I think his first statement more accurately represented what's going to happen.

Posted by: Slublog at October 02, 2006 06:47 PM (Kymuz)

20 You know what? Bush is just like Alexander the Great--he's trying to civilize a bunch of fucking barbarians. It didn't work then and it won't work now. All you can do is kill enough of them to keep them from killing you.

Posted by: Rubble doesn't make Trouble at October 02, 2006 06:47 PM (VQY/V)

21 When they cross us once, they no longer have an excuse, thats the idea behind this.

Wicked, that's like saying, "Okay, you've been breathing your whole life and we haven't stopped it, but if you breathe one more time, I swear I'll do something."

Hmm, which side do you believe?

You shouldn't believe either.

Fool us once, shame on us. Fool us 6,784 times, and can't we catch a clue by now?

Come on. How many Do Overs do terrorists get before folks realize they-want-to-kill-you-and-you-will-never-change-that?

Posted by: bbeck at October 02, 2006 06:54 PM (qF8q3)

22 take every negative Republican msm 'story' with a grain of salt.

max,

I'm running low on salt. And tolerance. The reason I was quick to believe this story is not because the AP has any credibility. It's because Frist doesn't. He's just another jackass politician who says what he thinks people want to hear and I hate him for that because he supposedly represents my party.

We'll fuck that. He doesn't.

My irritation doesn't stem from MSM spin. It comes from my GOP leaders including the President doing stupid, idiotic shit that is contrary to the conservative vision of this country that they feign to support.

1. Lack of sufficient border and port control
2. Refusing to commit more troops to Iraq and Afghanistan
3. Harriet Meiers
4. Banning Internet gambling???? WHO GIVES A SHIT!!!
5. Spending my money and your money on complete bullshit

Take your pick.

Yes, the Dems are worse and I'm sure I'll vote for Republicans. But that's getting increasingly hard to do and I don't have smile and laugh while our assholes in Congress do whatever the hell they please in my name.

Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 07:07 PM (YH6EV)

23 If Afghanistan truly cannot be de-Taibanized, it's time to pull up stakes there and simply begin bombing it as frequently as necessary to kill as many Afghans as possible.

Dude..

I don't think you get Afghanistan very well. Saying that it's a country with a central government is nice on paper, but it's not really a reality. I worked there for a while as a "contractor" and went to pretty much every region of the country, and most Afghans aren't into the Taliban. They want peace and stability and are tired of people running around wrecking everything, which makes it in their best interest to cooperate or go along with Karzai and his crew, but that doesn't mean they'll do what he says. They also like drinking booze, smoking hash, looking at porn, and eating during Ramadan (all of which I saw on a regular basis), which the Taliban wasn't cool with.

The Taliban supporters are found mainly along the border of Pakistan (surprise surprise), but that doesn't mean we can "kill as many Afghans as possible". They're still Afghans, and they're still backwoods tribal hillbillies that wouldn't like it if you started blasting their "Pashtun brothers" and family members, regardless of what regime they support. If you want a place to bomb into oblivion, try Waziristan. That's where it all goes down.

Posted by: paully at October 02, 2006 07:09 PM (yJuX3)

24 "If Afghanistan truly cannot be de-Taibanized, it's time to pull up stakes there and simply begin bombing it as frequently as necessary to kill as many Afghans as possible."

Basically, you're articulating the Murtha plan for fighting terrorism. Over the horizon forces striking as needed.

Posted by: Ed Snate at October 02, 2006 07:10 PM (cMRQQ)

25 It worked fine and dandy for Alexander the Great. He enjoyed great leisure and decadent pleasures in his rule over the Persian empire.

He easily could have lived there for 20 years, but grew restless, because all the man knew how to do was march.

And so, he died in India climbing over a wall, in what was fairly considered the 'front' of the line rather then the back because he liked to be the 'hands on' sort of military commander. By which I mean hands on the spear sticking through his enemies gut. And until he himself died, no one ever stopped his armies.

What does this mean? I have no idea. I don't think it means anything.

Just stop revising history to bolster your argument. Islam didn't even exist then and the Zoroastrian Persians were far from Barbarians, they were one of the more civilized societies in all the world.

Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 07:14 PM (Uh5fR)

26 O/T, but ...

Can someone tell me how to make italics in these posts?

Posted by: Ed Snate at October 02, 2006 07:16 PM (cMRQQ)

27 paully:

Excellent post. Very informative, interesting. More, please.

Posted by: Ed Snate at October 02, 2006 07:17 PM (cMRQQ)

28 Entropy:

Alexander didn't die climbing over a wall in India. He was wounded in that incident.

He died in Babylon of fever--probably malaria.

Posted by: Ed Snate at October 02, 2006 07:21 PM (cMRQQ)

29 Yah, you're right. I was mistaken. He was only wounded in India, went back to Babylon then and died of some illness.

But it really doesn't apply in anyway to Afghanistan. Other then maybe, to say, we could learn a thing or two about how to conquer, occupy and and repress other civilizations from our ancestors, because we seem to have gotten it entirely fouled up.

Posted by: Entropy at October 02, 2006 07:29 PM (Uh5fR)

30 "I am sure there were people like frist who said we could never de-nazify germany. They were wrong then and are wrong today. "

There are Nazis in Germany -- that's something to consider. Victory in WWII didn't consist of turning all the Germans into 21st century American conservatives, it consisted of giving the country a sufficiently stable government that the radical elements weren't out of control, and the national army wasn't attacking Poland anymore.

And victory certainly wasn't defined by when we pulled our troops out. We left them there for a very long time, in part because it served our purposes to have them so close to the Soviets. That's also something to consider.

Posted by: Sobek at October 02, 2006 07:32 PM (6GK9U)

31 Guess what folks, the majority of the Islamic world is at least "sympathetic" to the Taliban .

And there's the rub. Frist's cognitive dissonance is just a reflection of the larger fuckedupedness of this whole war. Every now and then the curtains part and we again see that you cannot square the circle. Do the majority of muslims want to join Al Quaeda? No - but do they approve of Al Quaeda's attacks (at least the ones against infidels)? Yup, they do, and there's really nothing we can do about it short of (i) living with it while trying to roll it back by stages in places like Iraq and Afghanistan or (ii) killing 600+ million people.

Long term, we're screwed - can I think of things that Bush and Condi et al could do better? Sure, lots of them, like more troops and simplifying ROEs. Am I confident that they would help reshape the course of the larger global conflict/ Nope, not at all.

They are already mad (at us and in the sense of insane). If we win a battle, then it is just a source of more resentment, and they'll attack us. If they win a battle, they are convinced of their divine rightness, and will attack again (same if we retreat or fail to respond to an attack - ie act like the Democrats). There really doesn't seem to be a solution - how do you convince a billion people that the divine, verbatim, untouchable and unalterable word of their god is wrong?

Now, I still think that the fights in Iraq and Afghanistan have value, if for no other reason then to season our forces and "flypaper" the enemy's forces. I even think we can win the limited objective of a semi-moderate, somewhat democratic Iraq. I used to think that Afghanistan was winnable, but with the formal creation of Talibastan in the border areas of Pakistan, it really is turning into Vietnam - since the Talibs now have their "safe" North Vietnam.

Posted by: holdfast at October 02, 2006 07:42 PM (Gzb30)

32 Piffle! It's nothing a Lee Enfield .303 can't set to rights.

Anybody thirsty?

Posted by: Gunga Din at October 02, 2006 07:57 PM (oCRYB)

33 Rosetta, I'll add a few.

6. Wimping out on Social Security reform
7. Wimping out on drilling in ANWR and energy reform
8. Backing down on the "you are either with us, or you are the terrorists" pledge to the ninnies areoung the world.
9. Not firing the leftwing operatives working in all levels of the federal government and allowing them to sabotage the government.
10. Not firing every single employee at INS.

Posted by: Bart at October 02, 2006 08:07 PM (RjIWh)

34 Bbeck?

I am not disagreeing, I meant that diplomaticly, there is no more cause to blame the US if we hit a place that we gave at least 2 if not 3 opportunities too.

War isn't like surgery (I misspelled that didn't I?) It's brutal and painful, and terrifying. If these places/guys think they can create safe havens AFTER an allowance of civil behaviour, then they are no longer victims, they are deliberate enemies.

I don't mean that they should get a break, but I think that everyone else should see the nature of our enemy, since we gave them a break and then they defied it, and they brought the destruction upon themselves.

Thats What I mean, kinda like what is going on in the PA area's like gaza, if ONLY France would get out of the FUCKING WAY!

I'm on the edge of saying we need to declare war on france, they are such an enemy and opposition to OBVIOUS logic.

But thats besides the point.

If you give people a choice? and they chose to be an enemy? than I have no pitty, and they deserve no support, or "aid" or "reperations" or "rebuilding" If the entire populace is an enemy, then the entire populace is a valid target.

Frist wants to create this kinder gentler war, I think that we need a leader who says "If you support our enemy, if you accept our enemy, if you tolerate their presence in your neighborhood or your building or in your nation, then you have no right to bitch for one fucking instance if we slaughter the enemy, those who support the enemy, those who accept the enemy those who tolerate the presence of our enemy or those in your neighborhood, in your building or in your nation when we decide to kill our enemy, because you have done nothing."

Thats why I will only be guy commenting on a blog, never a politician.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 02, 2006 08:12 PM (QTv8u)

35 Bart,

You're right on. And if that list gets any longer I'm gonne puke.

Posted by: Rosetta at October 02, 2006 08:13 PM (YH6EV)

36 Wickedpinto's dead on. Is it worth pushing for a country to turn "democratic" if all the people choose to hate the USA? Do we really want common Pakistani people to decide Pakistan's stance vs the USA? I sure as fuck don't. Democracy's great and all, but let's be realistic here. Most places in that region aren't ready for how we do things. Hell, get in a time machine, go back to the USA circa 1900, and tell people to be all happy because they can now choose to work along side mexicans, asians, "african americans," and openly gay men. How do you think they'd choose?

Posted by: paully at October 02, 2006 08:55 PM (yJuX3)

37 Seems Frist is still in his Rino mode.
I agree his chances at the Presidency are nil but he could change his mind and stay for another term in the Senate.
Now that is revolting. Perhaps he would step down and allow a 'Moderate' Islamist to take his place? I wonder if he would live in Afghanistan with a Government that had Taliban in it?
Don't think so? Me either.

Posted by: Art at October 02, 2006 09:31 PM (pL4zv)

38 Frist said that he was misquoted. He does not want to surrender to the Taliban, just capitulate to the Taliban supporters.

That is sooo much better!!!

Posted by: BarneyG2000 at October 02, 2006 10:34 PM (PMjXZ)

39 Ed?

I didn't like that part either, but then Ace articulated an exterior oppressive force saying that "until you can live among yourselves you aren't allowed to live among us" so Aces concept basicaly suits mine.

Destroy the ruler you don't like, and the infrastructure of the nation you don't like, then leave, let them sort it out, if they sort it out poorly, let them think they are rebuilding, then destroy their ruler again, and their infrastructure again.

Kinda like Hammering London or Rome constantly with your leftover defense in Civ 4, forceing them to no longer make demands or request, and in fact, be your little bitch when you need an ally to slaughter the french (cuz I love destroying the french in Civ 4) kinda like that.

Hit them til they realize, that they will stop being hit, if they become civilized.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 02, 2006 11:12 PM (QTv8u)

40 Paully,

The comment you are referencing is kinda convoluted, do you mean that me saying "we will give you this option, if you don't live up to our ideals, you are on your own, and in fact opposed to us!"

Or do you mean "here is your first try, you get 3 and we are quickly ticking down to 0?"

I don't know.

Posted by: Wickedpinto at October 02, 2006 11:14 PM (QTv8u)

41 If France wasn't in our way, the President would probably ring them up and ask them to get in our way. This administration simply does not want to act in our interest.

When has this administration ever followed through on a threat? They talk big and bold, then inevitably fail to follow through. How many last chances has Iran had now?

Posted by: lmg at October 02, 2006 11:35 PM (aSIW8)

42 WickedPinto:

The total war option isn't open to us yet. And that's what you're describing--total war.

There are many reasons why we will not now wage total war against a country and its populace and I'm sure you know what they are, so I won't enumerate them here. Suffice to say that it's just not on the table, nor will it be for the foreseeable future. Unless, of course, our enemies choose to exercise that option against us--say, by detonating a nuclear bomb in one of our cities.

In other words, we will only wage total war if and when we get hit very hard first. I know that's not fair. But that's the way it is.

Since that is the case we're just going to have to think of other ways of dealing with our enemies. Venting in this forum and calling for massive strikes against enemy populations and infrastructure can be emotionally satisfying but it is ultimately to no purpose.

I'm not morally opposed to total war, mind you. But it's just not going to happen until we experience some sort of catastrophe.

Posted by: Ed Snate at October 02, 2006 11:45 PM (cMRQQ)

43 Entropy:

You might want to re-think using Alexander the Great's experience as a model for military success. Especially with regard to India.

Alexander did not conquer northwest India. He won a major battle there, on the banks of the Hydaspes River, and his victory was arguably his most brilliant, at least from a tactical standpoint. But it did not achieve much. His opponent, Porus, was "allowed" to remain as king of his realm--not because Alexander liked and respect him (although he did) but because he knew that Porus alone had the wherewithal to govern the region in Alexander's name.

In India Alexander won many smaller encounters and took many cities--but, significantly, many of those victories were won on his way out India. Not to put too fine a point on it, but Alexander was forced out of India. If he had stayed he would have been overwhelmed. His army knew that and that is why they rebelled against him and forced him to return to the Persian lands which he now ruled.

During his withdrawal he and his army and their camp followers--mainly women and children--crossed the Sind Desert. Most of the women and children died, some 30,000 total. That's a debacle of the first order.

Almost immediately upon his death his empire fell apart, divided by the Diodoki, the Successors. During his short life he had constructed no political institutions and made no provisions for the continued unity and governance of the lands he had conquered.

Like Hannibal, like the Germans and the Japanese in the wars of the 20th Century, Alexander was very good at winning battles; but he did not know how to use his victories so that the effects would be lasting.

Posted by: Ed Snate at October 03, 2006 12:00 AM (cMRQQ)

44 Wickedpinto-- (i keep wanting to write wikipedia)

I think I was simply trying to say "I sure as fuck hope Pakistan doesn't become a democracy" without sounding unamerican.

Posted by: paully at October 03, 2006 02:23 AM (yJuX3)

45 Ed--
Even if NYC or DC got nuked, it would take approximately one picture of a dead Wherever-stani baby to cause "international outrage" at the US's "disproportionate use of force". A bunch of dirt farmers in Peshawar would have a "demonstration," the Karachi KFC would be demolished (again), and for some reason, a bunch of whackjobs (sans jobs) would be making the headlines. The US's post-apocalyptic-revenge-fervor would last, hmm, a few months, then we'd be lamenting the senseless slaughter of Baluchistani goats by the neocons or whatever they'd be referred to as at that time, and some nameless, faceless government organization would be accused of someone being responsible for a US city getting nuked.

ps: isn't Diodoki a pokemon character? cool stuff about alexander the great tho.

Posted by: paully at October 03, 2006 02:33 AM (yJuX3)

46 Good posts, Paully.

Posted by: MlR at October 03, 2006 03:19 AM (TrMUD)

47 For what it's worth, I love Heinlein too.

Posted by: MlR at October 03, 2006 03:20 AM (TrMUD)

48 Hey Ace, maybe Ed Morrissey's take will help you calm those blues. Chin up, my good man.

Posted by: YFS at October 03, 2006 03:39 AM (45bPr)

49 Hey Ace, maybe Ed Morrissey's take will help you calm those blues. Chin up, my good man.

Posted by: YFS at October 03, 2006 03:40 AM (45bPr)

50 I'm not exactly the biggest supporter of the AP but I have to say this isn't a case of MSM bias - they got it right the first time. There was no misquote - read the article and see for yourself. Maybe if it had been just 1 or 2 quick statements I could see a misquote, but Frist and his supporters go on and on.

It's really simple - Karzai recommended it, and he (was) endorsing it as a means of making it look like he had ended hostilities sooner via diplomacy, to make himself look good for a presidential bid.

Personally I don't care if Karzai did recommend it - he's not the architect of the Afghan efforts, and our troops don't report to him; we reserve the right to keep our own council on the GWOT, esp in a territory that enjoys some degree of freedom and democracy primarily thru the blood and treasure of the US, and that matter should be addressed by Bush if it's going to be discussed at all, not Frist.

Frist's followup statement is nothing more than a retreat and makes him look like Kerry; he should man up and come clean - even someone pushing for a cut & run can be brave in a way by putting his career on the line and sticking it out but this is nothing more than trying to be popular for the sake of being popular.

Frist, you like the loony left so much - the dems can have you with my friggin blessing. You deserve eachother.

Posted by: Scott at October 03, 2006 10:19 AM (f8958)

51 Frist is floating ye olde trial balloon to gauge his presidential prospects. There is a lot to gain by attracting the favor of some quarters of the Left. Witness McCain.

Posted by: Rick Deckard at October 03, 2006 02:04 PM (zw8QA)

52 Are you people insane? This is "Aiding and abetting" 100%, opne and shut case. Hang the bastard for treason. You mean to tell me we got troops killed just to hand it right back over to the real enemy. What makes me really sick is how many "True Blue Patriots" try and cover for Frist while spitting out the same tired attacks against the talking point 'appeasers' as if it somehow makes a difference. Noen of you get it anymore. Put on a uniform and got shot at and then have a "leader' tell you we're handing it back. There is no moderate or reasoning Taliban. Period. Trying to spin what Frist said to fit into your narrow and ignorant world view is sad. You want to talk about encouraging the enemy, doing this is the way to do it. Conceding will make the Taliban heroes there and make them that much more powerful. How the war is being deicided there is already a joke, dont let them make it a disaster.

Posted by: cromag at October 03, 2006 02:57 PM (KzQ68)

53 Paully?

Wickedpinto-- (i keep wanting to write wikipedia)

I think I might be a BIT more accurate, but I find that HILLARIOUS! (at least in politics, the science is honest, oddly enough.)

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