If It Will Save a Single Life, We Must Get Piers Morgan's Stupid Fat Face off the Television

It is said that this manifesto was more than a theory, that it was an incitement. Every idea is an incitement. It offers itself for belief, and, if believed, it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it or some failure of energy stifles the movement at its birth. The only difference between the expression of an opinion and an incitement in the narrower sense is the speaker's enthusiasm for the result. Eloquence may set fire to reason. But whatever may be thought of the redundant discourse before us, it had no chance of starting a present conflagration.

-- Oliver Wendell Holmes, joined by Louis Brandeis, dissenting in Gitlow v. People

The case involved a communist manifesto which urged, as they do, the violent overthrow of government. The opinion blessed jailing the man for the manifesto, claiming it was an "incitement."

Which provoked Holmes to reply: Every idea is an incitement. That's the whole point of them.

I bring this up because of the repulsive dishonesty in media reporting concerning the intersection of violence and politics.

If a conservative commits violence -- and, actually, you'll have to remind me when the last time that happened was, exactly; but if he does -- the media begins calling for the right to "tone down its rhetoric."

After all, this might "incite" people to commit violence. Eloquence might, as Holmes said, "set fire to reason."

And as Holmes might say: That's the whole bloody point of eloquence.

Now, the media claims the right must "tone down its rhetoric" -- make its rhetoric less inciting -- in order to Protect the Public Safety. Any pungent, tough-worded bit of rhetoric could spur a nutter to do something violent.

True enough. I can't argue with that. History is filled with nutters who read something and then shot someone. For God's sake, John Lennon was killed by someone who got really, really incited by Catcher in the Rye.

But what you can't help but notice is that the media never makes a similar demand of those on the left to "tone down their rhetoric." Like, for example, the Southern Poverty Law Center's "Hate Map," which, it turns out, quickly became a leftist's Kill Map.

There was some incitement going on there, it turns out. Based on the incitement contained on the SPLC's website -- branding millions of citizens as "haters" and oppressors, for the mentally unstable to obsess over -- Floyd Corkins got himself a gun and set out to shoot innocent men and women at the Family Research Council.

He also brought Chick-fil-A sandwiches with him -- his intent was to smear the faces of the dead with Hate Chicken.

Incitement, yes? Eloquence -- well, let's not dignify it as eloquence; let's call it what it was, crude fundraising hair-on-fire fear-peddling -- did in fact "set fire to reason."

So where are the calls for SPLC to take down its Kill Map?

There hasn't been a single call from the media. The Kill Map remains up.

The calculation on the part of the media is simple: the SPLC's speech contains value and hence we'll just have to accept that the occasional hateful lunatic might be incensed by it and kill someone.

That -- those murders, those losses of human life -- are just a cost we'll have to pay. Free speech is too important to be restricted due to such concerns.

Yes, in this case, free speech outweighs the value of human life.

Now, consider conservative political messaging. Suddenly, in the media's eyes, the costs which could flow from incitement are not worth it.

Why? Simple: Conservative speech is valueless, or, at least, of relatively low value compare to liberal speech. While the potential of inspiring murder is not sufficient to suggest that liberal speech be controlled and moderated, that same concern is plenty sufficient to require that conservative speech be controlled and moderated.

This is the underlying assumption that they simply will not confess, for if they did confess it, it would be game over for them. All of their conclusions -- all of their bias, all of their double-standards -- flow from this premise, which they will not admit, but will only dance around.

The premise is simply that liberal speech is much more valuable than conservative speech and this is of course because liberal politics are much more valuable than conservative ones.

Once you accept this premise -- liberal speech is high value, conservative speech is very low value -- then you can see that all the conclusions make logical sense (although the syllogism remains invalid, as it's based on a false premise).

Of course there is distinction between how we treat liberal and conservative speech -- just as there is distinction between how we treat jewels and how we treat human waste! One is precious and one is refuse; of course the two are treated differently!

Of course, having vastly different levels of value, one might be worth a certain toll in human lives, and of course the other one would not be!

They won't say this.

But this is our fault -- because we don't ask them.

This weekend, a dozen Republicans and conservatives will sit face to face with David Gregory, George Stephanolopolous, and the rest of the progressive clownshow.

And not a single Republican or conservative will put the question I have outlined to their faces.

That's the only way to compel an answer to a question someone doesn't even want to acknowledge -- you embarrass him into answering it. You put him on the spot. You make him squirm. You either make him answer, or let the world see his babbling evasions.

You get an answer or your expose him as a liar or a fool.

But we won't do that. Our Polite Company Conservatives will continue appearing on these shows only to answer David's and George's questions, never to ask questions themselves.

And David and George should be asked questions. They are more important political actors than 90% of their clock-watching guests are.

Political actors should be asked, early and often, about their politics, and their too-shameful-to-be-confessed unstated assumptions and secret agendas, and their hypocrisies, their lies, and their evasions.

Is that our job? To be interrogated as if we were suspects? To assume, and to confirm, the media's self-vaunted status as the Judges of Truth and the Priests of Righteousness?

Why would we ever concede that to them? Just because a lunatic believes he's Napoleon does not mean we should dress in kepis to indulge him.

You think we're lying? Get this: We're certain you're lying.

You don't trust our motives? Let's talk about your motives -- motives demonstrably corrupt and dishonest.

You think we're religious zealots who adapt our perception of the world to agree with the word of our so-called God? Yeah, some of us do.

But none of us are so irrational and stupid to worship a profoundly mediocre dilettante named Barack Hussein Obama, as you do.

Do we ever swing the hot light around and begin Watching the Watchmen?

Posted by: Ace at 04:18 PM



Comments

1 Do we ever swing the hot light around and begin Watching the Watchmen?

It's well past time.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:21 PM (GFM2b)

2 I think of it as a Murder Map.

"Kill Map" sounds too respectable.

Posted by: Phinn at February 07, 2013 04:22 PM (oFH2D)

3 I just assume that everyone in the MFM are cocksucking leftist hirelings of the corrupt Democratic Party. It saves a lot of navel gazing.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 04:22 PM (evdj2)

4 Gitlow v. People was the first of the "incorporation" rulings. It was a POS ruling for a bad law. As one of the old pundits use to say, bad laws amke bad cases and bad rulings.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 04:23 PM (53z96)

5 Ace, you should write a manifesto.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 04:23 PM (w+Dvf)

6 A cat? WTF?

Posted by: The Iron at February 07, 2013 04:23 PM (8ZskC)

7 Ace, you should write a manifesto.

He just did. David Corn is a high value target.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 04:24 PM (evdj2)

8 That's the only way to compel an answer to a question someone doesn't even want to acknowledge -- you embarrass him into answering it. You put him on the spot. You make him squirm. You either make him answer, or let the world see his babbling evasions.

You get an answer or your expose him as a liar or a fool.


You curb stomp him. Go for the rhetorical throat. Rip it out.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:24 PM (GFM2b)

9 Of course, the media will have to adapt to the new norm ...
that Barack Obama is humble.


The thing about this job, Pres Obama tells House Dems,
"the longer you’re in it - the more humble you get."

Posted by: Travis Frowny at February 07, 2013 04:25 PM (e8kgV)

10 The premise is simply that liberal speech is much more valuable than conservative speech and this is of course because liberal politics are much more valuable than conservative ones.


You are still giving the liberal position too much credit. Conservative ideas and conservatives are sub-human and, as a result, not only have no value but must be treated as if there were dangerous per se.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 04:26 PM (VtjlW)

11 a deeply average man named Barack Hussein Obama

Way too much credit to the SCoaMF. The man aspires to mediocrity.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 04:26 PM (evdj2)

12 Rockefeller tweeted that he "literally bludgeoned" other senators into releasing information. He bludgeoned them! Literally!

Posted by: Whatev at February 07, 2013 04:26 PM (A7Wh1)

13 Over the years Ace and his seductive rhetoric has twisted the minds of the Moron Horde. Something should be done about this, preferably involving the receipt of large payments as compensation.

Posted by: Cicero, Semiautomatic Assault Commenter at February 07, 2013 04:26 PM (8ZskC)

14 Damn right.

Posted by: JohnJ at February 07, 2013 04:27 PM (Tt6ky)

15 MFM delenda est.
.
The rot is too pervasive.
.
Bring their cnsrquences back to them. Don't cooperate with them. Dig up dirt on them. Turn them on each other.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 07, 2013 04:27 PM (fKyp3)

16 Politicians wont ask tough questions of the MFM because the MFM has the power to destroy them.They are cowards.

Posted by: Karl Marx at February 07, 2013 04:27 PM (9XBK2)

17 It's time for some common-sense restrictions on the Freedom of the Press.

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 04:28 PM (MMC8r)

18 So one of Obama's drones is on autopilot, and is murdering innocent citizens in LA, - and it has only been a couple of days since we learned that Obama's DOJ ruled assassination of Americans legal.

Coincidence?

Posted by: Fritz at February 07, 2013 04:28 PM (WM+rJ)

19 Rockefeller tweeted that he "literally bludgeoned" other senators into releasing information. He bludgeoned them! Literally!


Why would anyone need a high capacity bludgeon?

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:28 PM (GFM2b)

20 But we won't do that. Our Polite Company Conservatives will continue appearing on these shows only to answer David's and George's questions, never to ask questions themselves.

Your radical instigation of Republicans to rock the boat will only inflame the nutjobs and upset the vast middle we need to win elections.

Posted by: Karl Rove at February 07, 2013 04:28 PM (wwsoB)

21 That was me at 16 not zombie Herr Marx.

Posted by: steevy at February 07, 2013 04:28 PM (9XBK2)

22 This is for Vanilli... or was it Milli... well, whichever. Justice will be served

- Chris Dorner, MSNBC Superfan and spree killer

Posted by: Bill from Chappaqua at February 07, 2013 04:29 PM (0SXI6)

23 Let's not forget--CNN's month-long reporting on Sandy Hook and its aftermath was, in fact, a celebration of Adam Lanza.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at February 07, 2013 04:29 PM (xjpRj)

24 What I find interesting, ace, is that in this post you've essentially said what a lot of us were saying in your Matt Lauer post yesterday. Instead of going on the defensive about every single thing, we need to stop accepting the left's premise that the conservative sphere is comprised of violent whackjobs and start calling them out on their blatant hypocrisy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 07, 2013 04:29 PM (4df7R)

25 Conservatives in politics and elsewhere need to treat the MFM realistically - as the cpncubines of the opposition.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 07, 2013 04:29 PM (fKyp3)

26 Sooper Mexican just tweeted:

reporting that the #ObamaLovingCopKiller's truck might be in Big Bear, where authorities are gathering for "law enforcement day"


Jesus.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 04:30 PM (piMMO)

27

The pro-life Nuremberg Files were considered impermissible incitement for having "Wanted" posters of abortion doctors. Bankrupted a handful of people over a website.

Where is the FRC lawsuit against SPLC?

Posted by: imp at February 07, 2013 04:30 PM (UaxA0)

28 Umm ... shouldn't a post about Piers Morgan mention Piers Morgan?

Posted by: Gerry at February 07, 2013 04:30 PM (pP4Sc)

29 [Conservatives in politics and elsewhere need to treat the MFM realistically - as the cpncubines of the opposition.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 07, 2013 04:29 PM (fKyp3)


Concubines is too delicate a term. They're the gutter whores of the opposition.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 07, 2013 04:30 PM (4df7R)

30
Rockefeller tweeted that he "literally bludgeoned" other senators into releasing information. He bludgeoned them! Literally!

It's true! I literally witnessed it after he told me.

Posted by: Joe. Biden. at February 07, 2013 04:30 PM (0WLla)

31 Not only, Ace, do they assume low-to-no value to Conservative ideas - but they assume Conservative Lives (vis-a-vis the FRC shooter's intended victims) are of zero worth as well. Of course the killings of Conservatives are not worth infringing on Leftist rants - it's not that Leftism is superior (to them it is) but that Conservatives are not even people. They in fact, according to the words and actions of the Left - are not worth life. That Conservatives DESERVE death according to the Main Stream Media. Pinch any leftist and you'll make a little pussy Eichmann cry.

Posted by: Inspector Asshole at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (UzocF)

32 reporting that the #ObamaLovingCopKiller's truck might be in Big Bear, where authorities are gathering for "law enforcement day"

Well fuck.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (4df7R)

33 >>>You are still giving the liberal position too much credit. Conservative ideas and conservatives are sub-human and, as a result, not only have no value but must be treated as if there were dangerous per se.


Perfectly stated.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (q177U)

34 Conservative ideas and conservatives are sub-human and, as a result,
not only have no value but must be treated as if there were dangerous
per se.


Untermenschen. "Although it has features similar to a human, the conservative is lower on the spiritual and psychological scale than any animal...."

Posted by: HeatherRadish™ needs a beer at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (/kI1Q)

35 Umm ... shouldn't a post about Piers Morgan mention Piers Morgan?

It's implied.

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (MMC8r)

36 His report is from KFI AM radio

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (piMMO)

37 >>.nstead of going on the defensive about every single thing,

1, I'm not "on the defensive." It wasn't me who was saying dumb shit.

2, I don't have to support dumb shit "for the party." I'm fucking sick of that bullshit.

3, I can do both things.

4. In fact honestly requires I do both things.

Take your Health of the Party arguments and stow them. The party is fucked and will be for 8-16 years.

So I can afford to be honest.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (LCRYB)

38 I don't believe most, if not all, journalists read right-wing news sources. They read the MFM and left-wing blogs so all they see is the world through a leftist perspective, a world where there only exists right-wing wrongs and excitements. This reenforces their already left-wing worldview and has made matters worse over the last decade. When newspapers are closing and losing employees at an alarming rate and nothing changes, you know the problem is serious and goes right to the top of these organizations.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (w+Dvf)

39 Damn. If only I had a 3D printer. I could have Chris Dorner action figures on the streets by sundown!

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:31 PM (GFM2b)

40 28 Umm ... shouldn't a post about Piers Morgan mention Piers Morgan?

Posted by: Gerry at February 07, 2013 04:30 PM (pP4Sc)


Bob Dole is asking that exact question.

Posted by: Bob Dole at February 07, 2013 04:32 PM (Qxe/p)

41
They truly believe they'll never be held accountable and, as long as the center holds, they should prove right. But this gives them real incentive to represent the status quo--the status quo is not them swinging from lampposts.

I'm not saying I'd hoist them up there myself, but I could lead the oxen pulling the tumbrels. That's something I could do drunk, right?

Posted by: spongeworthy at February 07, 2013 04:32 PM (r5w1L)

42 Paging Newt Gingrich, Paging Newt Gingrich. Newt should accompany every GOP politician on a talk show, kind of a questioner bodyguard/lawyer.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 04:32 PM (gmeXX)

43 Umm ... shouldn't a post about Piers Morgan mention Piers Morgan?
Posted by: Gerry at February 07, 2013 04:30 PM (pP4Sc)


Good point! lol!

In ace's absence, Piers Morgan was praised in the MSNBCerial Killer's manifesto. Hence the blog post title.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 07, 2013 04:32 PM (4df7R)

44 You write at one point "the David and Gregory." Did you mean "the David and George"?

Posted by: wte9 at February 07, 2013 04:32 PM (ZL7LA)

45 MFM delenda est.


Posted by: EC at February 07, 2013 04:33 PM (GQ8sn)

46 yeah I meant david and george, i'll fix

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 04:33 PM (LCRYB)

47 Thanks for the pep talk Ace. (Not being sarcastic)

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 04:34 PM (uhftQ)

48

"I'd like to see poodle skirts come back into fashion."

-- Dorner

Posted by: soothsayer's fake quotes at February 07, 2013 04:34 PM (xIzGn)

49 Since none of us can buy a TV network, Hollywood studio, or a publishing corporation, I would suggest that we at least stop contributing our shrinking expendable cash to them.

In the meantime, I dream of the day when MSM hacks are standing on freeway ramps with "Will Exploit Tragedies For Food" signs.

Posted by: kbdabear at February 07, 2013 04:34 PM (wwsoB)

50 Sheesh, ace, I wasn't accusing you of going on the defensive. I was telling you what we were saying that we didn't seem to be getting through to you. But okay, I guess I pissed in your Cheerios.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 07, 2013 04:34 PM (4df7R)

51 >>Take your Health of the Party arguments and stow them. The party is fucked and will be for 8-16 years.

White Party is a dead man walking. Not everyone is hip to this yet.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 07, 2013 04:34 PM (q177U)

52 Damn , Don't piss ACE off,
he'll start drinking again...

Posted by: American Dawg at February 07, 2013 04:34 PM (trA4n)

53 Take your Health of the Party arguments and stow them. The party is fucked and will be for 8-16 years.


THIS


Although I would say odds are it is f**cked forever because the stupid SOBs will not learn. We lose damn near every election and all they can do is spout about Hispanics and the need for amnesty so they can enroll 30 million new FSA Democrats.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 04:35 PM (53z96)

54 "Pretzels are the spawn of Satan."


--- Chris Dorner

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 04:35 PM (w+Dvf)

55

Trannies are on the attack, too.



link in nic

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland /index.ssf/2013/02/ woman_family_unharmed_after_po.html

Posted by: imp at February 07, 2013 04:35 PM (UaxA0)

56 "Conservative speech is seen as low value".

====================
I would go further. I would suggest that conservative speech is seen as repulsive and horrid. That it is seen as anti-social. That it is seen as dangerous to the community because it places the individual at odds with the larger group. That it is seen as bigoted and narrow-minded and intolerant. And intolerance cannot be tolerated. Narrow-minded ideas must be shunned, because those ideas, those thoughts ought not to be thunk. Broad-minded people cannot afford to think those unthinkable things. Those mockable things. Those clearly antiquated and out-moded and definitely un-hip things. At all costs, these ideas ought not to enter the marketplace. At all costs.

I expect the preachers to be classified as criminals before long.

Posted by: mama winger at February 07, 2013 04:35 PM (P6QsQ)

57 MWR,

>>>Sheesh, ace, I wasn't accusing you of going on the defensive. I was telling you what we were saying that we didn't seem to be getting through to you. But okay, I guess I pissed in your Cheerios.

But you'll have to explain to me why I am only permitted to tell some people who are either venal or dumb that they are venal or dumb, and then, with other people, it's Eggshell Walking Time and I have to counterfeit myself.

That's the part I don't get.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 04:36 PM (LCRYB)

58 Oh, and I don't think I said a damn thing about the health of the party. The DOPE is dead and I'm not expecting it to surge back to life. I couldn't care less what's "good" for them.

Okay, now to battle rush hour traffic. TTFN, folks. And if you even remotely resemble a large black man, a Nissan truck, or anything else, stay low.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit at February 07, 2013 04:36 PM (4df7R)

59 "Pretzels are the spawn of Satan."


--- Chris Dorner

****

Only the straight, skinny ones.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 04:36 PM (piMMO)

60 >>> would go further. I would suggest that conservative speech is seen as repulsive and horrid. That it is seen as anti-social.

i agree, I understated for purposes of permitting some dolt from the MSM to understand this and not recoil from it.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 04:36 PM (LCRYB)

61 "Pretzels are the spawn of Satan."
--- Chris Dorner


I'd bust a cap in Dorner's ass over that.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (GFM2b)

62 Posted this at the end of the last thread, whoops:

Dorner Unchained? (I just want an excuse to blame Tarantino and the
wackos in Hollywood for inciting something.) Maybe we should check his DVDs and music and
what sites he visited.

Posted by: LizLem at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (8wqqE)

63 SH, you are right, they need Newt!

Posted by: CarolT at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (LnQr8)

64
#dronestrike

Posted by: Eric Holder - Drone Czar U.S. at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (EZl54)

65

>>> I'm not "on the defensive."

easy, now

Posted by: soothsayer's fake quotes at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (Ba6aP)

66
Is this the AoShq Manifesto?

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (lSaJq)

67 Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith's mobile at February 07, 2013 04:27 PM (fKyp3)




Hey guy, how you feeling?

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (X6akg)

68 OJ in the Hall of Fame!


-C.D.

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 04:38 PM (MMC8r)

69 Mama winger, it is somewhat ironic that the dem party treated blacks as subhuman, now treat white male Conservatives as subhuman.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 04:38 PM (uhftQ)

70
8-16 years? Whoa, there. If there's no real oppostion for 8-16years, there won't be a Republic to bicker over.

There'll be some new party that rises from the ashes, like a big rising ash-man, literally rising from an ashpile. We'll all follow it of course, until darkness descends again and the futility of following ash-people is apparent to us, the disheartened followers.

Posted by: spongeworthy, a little confused now at February 07, 2013 04:38 PM (r5w1L)

71 18-24", Massholes. Plan accordingly.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 04:39 PM (LvqG1)

72 And if you even remotely resemble . . . a Nissan truck,


My ass isn't that big.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 04:39 PM (VtjlW)

73 This gunman thing is getting interesting.

Posted by: Whatev at February 07, 2013 04:39 PM (A7Wh1)

74

>>> Only the straight, skinny ones.

I believe they're called pretzel "sticks"

-- the English American lexicon

Posted by: soothsayer's fake quotes at February 07, 2013 04:40 PM (1WM2H)

75 Hey what wrong with getting 30% of the Hispanic vote, it's better then getting nothing of nothing, and looking mean.

Posted by: Rubio new math at February 07, 2013 04:40 PM (uPUrh)

76 I liked new coke better than old coke, it was progressive like me!

Posted by: Chris Dorner at February 07, 2013 04:40 PM (8wqqE)

77 @ MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Assault Hobbit

If Hobo's parts start showing up it will be all your fault...

Posted by: American Dawg at February 07, 2013 04:41 PM (trA4n)

78

>>My ass isn't that big.

I'm crestfallen.

Posted by: Sir Mix a Lot at February 07, 2013 04:41 PM (bw+TC)

79 This gunman thing is getting interesting.
Posted by: Whatev at February 07, 2013 04:39 PM (A7Wh1)



Fox News is middle naming him on the website so we're into official spree/serial killer mode now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 04:41 PM (VtjlW)

80 ASH*MAN

Posted by: NY license plate at February 07, 2013 04:41 PM (EZl54)

81 But none of us are so irrational and stupid to worship a profoundly mediocre dilettante named Barack Hussein Obama, as you do.

I would have chosen different words.

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2013 04:41 PM (GQ8sn)

82 We get it, the media treats the left differently, and why can't our politicians push back. Of course when you get someone who does like Newt, we must remind everyone of all the other brashness in his past. The two kind of go hand and hand.

There are really no good answers to this dilema. Sure, it would be nice to have politicians who will actually fight back or point this out. But let's be honest, it is a skill that few politicians have. Another solution would be to simply avoid going on these talk shows in the first place, sort of a talk show boycott. But then you aren't getting your message out at all.

My recommendation is to unleash theCruz missile. I doubt he'll tone down his rhetoric and he has the chops to hold his own. If he could learn a little of Newt's skill in turning things around on the media, he could be deadly.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 04:42 PM (gmeXX)

83
Fox News is middle naming him on the website so we're into official spree/serial killer mode now.


'Lee' or 'Wayne.' It's mandatory.

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 04:42 PM (MMC8r)

84 #bigrisingashman

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 07, 2013 04:42 PM (q177U)

85

Ace incites the hell outta me.

Posted by: confessions of a beachcomber at February 07, 2013 04:42 PM (LpQbZ)

86
Everyone who goes into the studio with David Gregory should carry one of those illegal clips with them.

"Here David, I brought you a present. You're collecting these, right?"

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 07, 2013 04:42 PM (+z4pE)

87 Sometimes I hear oranges talking

-Dorner

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2013 04:42 PM (BuSM8)

88 Truman, you going to throw your hat in for the R nomination?

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 04:43 PM (uPUrh)

89 Yes, in this case, free speech outweighs the value of human life.


Yes and no.
Classic Apples to oranges mistake. We find this in research ethics all the time (which is my specialty these days.)
You're comparing actual benefits, realized benefits (dialogue, ideas, the inherent value of discourse) with risk which is possible (and even probable) harm.
Firstly, I think it's important that we don't create a lump of "all speech" and "all possible violence." Doing so is futile because across "all speech" it's no longer even "possible violence" it's "inevitable." This is a useless assessment, since across any time period, violence is happening regardless.

Consider instead an individual act of speech. For any individual act of speech there are realized benefits, and possible risks. But the risks for a single act of speech are just that...possible. They cannot be adequately compared to real actualized benefits.

So it's not that free speech outweighs human life. It's that the real benefits (not just possible benefits, but realized ones, as speech is its own benefit) outweighs the merely possible (nay even probable) risks.

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 07, 2013 04:43 PM (wGOqj)

90
Tour de force. Thank you.

But it's not that liberals "believe their speech is much more valuable than conservative speech... because liberal politics are much more valuable than conservative ones." It's that they believe conservatives are not actually human beings, i.e., we are less than human. They're mission is always to dehumanize, not as an act of proof but of reaffirmation of a basic truth from which all else follows.

Posted by: rrpjr at February 07, 2013 04:43 PM (JJEP1)

91 >>>Not only, Ace, do they assume low-to-no value to Conservative ideas - but they assume Conservative Lives (vis-a-vis the FRC shooter's intended victims) are of zero worth as well.

I totally agree. And I want to point out that this is very close to what the Nazi's did in defining their Russian enemies - as Untermensch. Sub-humans. It makes it oh so much easier to justify exterminating them. And this is precisely what the left is doing to conservatives. The Left are Nazi's. Have no doubt about that.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 04:43 PM (BJVEF)

92 Don't forget the left's incitement to the lynching of Zimmerman.

Posted by: flounder at February 07, 2013 04:43 PM (Kkt/i)

93 In other words:

Fuck you. War.

-AB

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at February 07, 2013 04:44 PM (RRbuy)

94 Ace, why do you say the party is fucked, and why do you think it will be that way for the next 8 -16 years? The first part I understand but what is your basis for the 2nd part. If you think the party will recover, why can't it recover in the next 2-4 years? I guess I'm just trying to understand where you got your 8-16 years.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 04:44 PM (gmeXX)

95 Only the straight, skinny ones. I believe they're called pretzel "sticks" -- the English American lexicon
Posted by: soothsayer's fake

***

There are no straight male models.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 04:44 PM (uhftQ)

96
“It’s a series of measures that says seniors, middle class
families, disabled kids and others will solely bear the burden in buying
down the sequester while the wealthiest get held harmless” -- Jay "The Beaver" Carney


Isn't that an admission that the "wealthiest" actually get nothing from the government ? ... that they only get to pay taxes ?

Posted by: Travis Frowny at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (e8kgV)

97 Kepis look uncomfortable. I'm more partial to fez, 'cause that's just the way I roll.

Posted by: Fritz at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (WM+rJ)

98 Those Sunday talk shows are scared to put Trey Gowdy on there. There is someone who would tell them to stick in their ass.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (53z96)

99 'Lee' or 'Wayne.' It's mandatory.


Actually, it's Jordan. Pretty whitebread.
Christopher Jordan Dorner.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (GFM2b)

100 "There is no Dana only Zuul."


---Christopher Jordan Dorner

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (w+Dvf)

101 "But none of us are so irrational and stupid to worship a profoundly mediocre dilettante named Barack Hussein Obama, as you do."

Bingo!
My advice is to never fall in love with any politician, of any type. They break your heart every time.

Posted by: navybrat at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (0pxtK)

102 Careful, Ace.

You will incite people with that kind of talk.
We would hate to have to shut you down for agitating the serfs.

Posted by: mrshad at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (Xqfwb)

103 Actually, it's Jordan. Pretty whitebread.

Christopher Jordan Dorner.



Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (GFM2b)


Jordan?!?!

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (GQ8sn)

104 Nice article Ace.

Posted by: maddogg at February 07, 2013 04:46 PM (OlN4e)

105 Travis, shhhhh. That's the secret.

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 04:46 PM (uPUrh)

106 He who controls the media controls how the message is framed. Its as simple as that.

Right now the left controls 80% of the media. Even with that, we are basically a 50/50 left / right country. I've come to the conclusion that Palin was right in her strategy to respond to every slight, untruth and mischaracterization broadcasted by the left in the media no matter how insignificant. Admittedly I previously opined thatsheshould have pickher battles more wisely. I was wrong.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 04:46 PM (m2CN7)

107
Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 04:44 PM (gmeXX)

--- SH, Ace is an optimist

Posted by: Velvet Ambition at February 07, 2013 04:47 PM (R8hU8)

108 My advice is to never fall in love with any politician, of any type. They break your heart every time.


Like a Tijuana hooker.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:47 PM (GFM2b)

109 Unless people love 25 hour work weeks, conservative speech will soon sound like heaven to broke hipster DBs.

Posted by: madamex at February 07, 2013 04:47 PM (Ztp7S)

110
"Nobody reads the posts, anymore."
C. Dorner

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2013 04:47 PM (bw+TC)

111 Jordan?!?!
Posted by: EC at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (GQ8sn)



Yes. Can't. Stop. Giggling.

I feel bad but I really can't. The only way it could have been better is if it were Joe.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (VtjlW)

112 Actually, it's Jordan. Pretty whitebread.
Christopher Jordan Dorner.


***

Aren't we missing a troll today?

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (piMMO)

113 But we won't do that. Our Polite Company Conservatives will continue appearing on these shows only to answer David's and George's questions, never to ask questions themselves.


That takes forethought.

Or;

It takes caring.

Posted by: confessions of a beachcomber at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (LpQbZ)

114 BTW ace,

Other than my one nitpick, I agree wholeheartedly. I only pointed that out because people will bitch and moan about the whole "free speech > lives" thing, which really is a false dichotomy that is pretty easily avoided. (As I showed above.)

Posted by: tsrblke (work) at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (wGOqj)

115 I think back on the GOVERNMENT and the MEDIA downplaying news after 9/11, so as 'not to incite anger'....

I'm sorry (not really) but if we should not get angry when Attacked? When can we?

There are times when we SHOULD incite.... when we should make people angry, because anger is a motivating force... one that has probably been the driving factor in more positive things in history than any other factor...

People got ANGRY at the King... people got Angry about Taxes... Moses got ANGRY at Pharoh... People were MAD at the Czar.... People were ticked off when the Japenese Attacked Pearl Harbor...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (lZBBB)

116 The BBC and other British media outlets have called the Washington Post and New York Times craven for withholding information they knew about TFG's drone policies

The MSM doesn't give a shit what we think of them as long as we keep putting cash into their bank accounts, but when their moral and intellectual betters in Europe call them out, that HAS to sting

Posted by: kbdabear at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (wwsoB)

117 Jordan?!?!


Posted by: EC at February 07, 2013 04:45 PM (GQ8sn)


Uh....oh. See what happens when you banned Jordan, ace?

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (X6akg)

118 I guess banning Jordan drove him over the edge.

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (MMC8r)

119 SCOAMD=Stuttering Clusterf*^@ of a MEDIOCRE DILETTANTE.heh

Posted by: weirdflunky at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (tlhtD)

120 Someone is going into the barrel

-Dorner

Posted by: Dack Thrombosis at February 07, 2013 04:48 PM (BuSM8)

121 Yes. Can't. Stop. Giggling.



I feel bad but I really can't. The only way it could have been better is if it were Joe.




"I wonder if the Texas Legislature is in session right now.....hmmmm."

-Chris Jordan Dorner

Posted by: EC at February 07, 2013 04:49 PM (GQ8sn)

122 108My advice is to never fall in love with any politician, of any type. They break your heart every time.


Like a Tijuana hooker.Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 04:47 PM (GFM2b) Heh. That brings to mind all the tears shed here over a certain BIG FAT BASTARD RINO, who shall remain unnamed......

Posted by: maddogg at February 07, 2013 04:49 PM (OlN4e)

123 This is the hill to die on, yes?

Posted by: Klawnet at February 07, 2013 04:49 PM (ePxxX)

124
so how will the Left spin/deflect this story back on the Right?

my best guess: they'll shift focus on how awful Fox News covered the story

when left with nothing, blame the coverage

Posted by: soothsayer's fake quotes at February 07, 2013 04:49 PM (0w+w3)

125 Who are the "Eggshell Walking People" Ace is talking about?

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 04:49 PM (0PiQ4)

126 I want to point out that this is very close to what the Nazi's did in
defining their Russian enemies - as Untermensch. Sub-humans. It makes it
oh so much easier to justify exterminating them. And this is precisely
what the left is doing to conservatives. The Left are Nazi's. Have no
doubt about that.

-------------------

These are consequences that flow from a worldview that says humans may only have permission to exist within the context of their perceived worth to other humans, or their perceived "inconvenience" to other humans.

When we feed a culture that views life primarily through the lens of "what benefit (or detriment) is this life to me?", we cultivate a society that gets very used to dispensing with bothersome populations.

Start de-valuing people and lo and behold, life becomes very disposable and utilitarian and cheap to those who have the power over life and death.

Posted by: mama winger at February 07, 2013 04:49 PM (P6QsQ)

127

"Do we ever swing the hot light around and begin Watching the Watchmen?"

John Bohner, Cantor and Ryan will get right on that...so will Rove, of course.

We're all alone.




Posted by: Rev dr E buzz at February 07, 2013 04:50 PM (raGXo)

128 Polynikes, but in the past the left has controlled 100% of the media. I think Ace is right, in the past 4 years the left has finally come out from the cocoon of being the watchdog into simply being active partisans. It may take some time for that to sink in. I don't know if we conservatives are better off now or in the past, but I lean to now.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 04:50 PM (gmeXX)

129 ::o we ever swing the hot light around and begin Watching the Watchmen?:::

Sometimes when Man watches the Watchmen, Dr. m
Manhattan's giant blue penis watches him back.

And that's just uncomfortable.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 04:50 PM (9eWxa)

130 It offers itself for belief, and, if believed, it is acted on unless some other belief outweighs it

_______________________

The lack of balance in media reporting is unethical for the above reasoning.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 04:50 PM (r2PLg)

131 >>>Ace, why do you say the party is fucked, and why do you think it will be that way for the next 8 -16 years? The first part I understand but what is your basis for the 2nd part. If you think the party will recover, why can't it recover in the next 2-4 years? I guess I'm just trying to understand where you got your 8-16 years.

I just don't see it happening. I don't have data or facts or a complicated theory to support this; this is just my gut.

It's just a sense.

I also sensed Mitt Romney would win the election so... you know. I wouldn't make a prop bet on it.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 04:50 PM (LCRYB)

132 Phew. That was a close call. All clear.


http://tinyurl.com/acctxpj

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2013 04:51 PM (fWAjv)

133 I blame the Obama skeet photo. Does that make me a truther?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at February 07, 2013 04:51 PM (YmPwQ)

134 Mama winger, what bothers me is that we did the same thing in order for them to make killing the Japanese and nazis easier for our soldiers.
It makes one think that is what they are leading up to with us.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 04:52 PM (uhftQ)

135 Jordan?!?!

He reportedly has many guns so ...

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 04:52 PM (evdj2)

136 Damn right Ace. And let's stop playing defense on the gun control issue and go on offense. I want thefucktards who dictate public schools as "gun free sitting duck zones" held accountable. Sue their asses. We all know the left's penchant for using the courts to get their way. Turn the tables. Sue the hell out of the school board and anyone else responsible for those rainbow and unicorn policies.

Posted by: Anabolic State at February 07, 2013 04:52 PM (EYbqR)

137 Once again, I just want to say "thanks!" for the handy, dandy map.

Posted by: SPLC Pet Assassin at February 07, 2013 04:52 PM (B5y+v)

138 The BLM do not see leftist radicalism, because they are leftist radicals. It is the same with fish- they do not see that they are wet. It's simply what is.

Therefore they cannot call out any leftist speech; they simply do not see it as a problem, or see it at all.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 04:52 PM (LvqG1)

139
The redacting of the cop killers praise for all the leftists in the political and media world is quite the shining example of their sins of omission and their fascist partnership with the government.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2013 04:53 PM (p/cQy)

140 Fox News is middle naming him on the website so we're into official spree/serial killer mode now.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD. Team Stompy. at February 07, 2013 04:41 PM

Shep is my man! Geraldo is OK with me too. The rest of those Faux News wingnuts gotta go

Posted by: C Dorner at February 07, 2013 04:53 PM (wwsoB)

141 125 Who are the "Eggshell Walking People" Ace is talking about?

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 04:49 PM (0PiQ4)


People that aren't venal and dumb.
But first, he must blow us.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 04:53 PM (Qxe/p)

142
I blame the Obama skeet photo. Does that make me a truther?

No, it makes you a "skeeter." Do try to keep up with the latest leftard memes.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 07, 2013 04:53 PM (+z4pE)

143 If Obama had a son, he would look like Chris Jordan Dorner.

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 04:53 PM (MMC8r)

144 "My guns appear to be defective."


---Christopher Jordan Dorner

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 04:53 PM (w+Dvf)

145
>Maybe we should check his DVDs and music and
what sites he visited.

Posted by: LizLem at February 07, 2013 04:37 PM (8wqqE)



Dave Brubeck’s “Take Five” is the greatest piece of music ever, period. Hanz Zimmer, William Bell, Eric Clapton, BB King, Bob Marley, Sam Cooke, Metallica, Rob Zombie, Nora Jones, Marvin Gaye, Jay-Z, and the King (Louis Armstrong) are musical prodigies.

-Chris Dorner, "Chris Dorner's Guide To LA"

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 07, 2013 04:54 PM (8sCoq)

146 Ace is right, in the past 4 years the left has finally come out from the cocoon of being the watchdog into simply being active partisans. It may take some time for that to sink in. I don't know if we conservatives are better off now or in the past, but I lean to now.
Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 04:50 PM (gmeXX)

They have always been active partisans though they admittedly are getting more brazen.What really has changed is the electorate that votesand what the lefthas done to take advantage of that.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 04:54 PM (m2CN7)

147 Do we ever swing the hot light around and begin Watching the Watchmen?


Exactly.

And, you can bet your sweet bippy the WH will not come to their rescue if they fall far. Dirty O always keeps his hands out of controversial tills -- unless it 1) makes him money, or, 2) advances his cause.

Posted by: confessions of a beachcomber at February 07, 2013 04:54 PM (LpQbZ)

148 In the Liberal worldview, Conservatives are pure evil incarnate; like the Nazis were. Because of their status as pure evil, they NEED TO BE defeated using any all resources available. Nothing is to be off the table. Like Ace says, the Left considers Conservative ideas to be completely valueless - they exist only to be opposed and defeated by the "good guys".

Posted by: Pyrocles at February 07, 2013 04:54 PM (cv5Iw)

149 New tweet frm Sooper Mexican:

CONFIRMED: Big Bear celebrating "Uniform Day" for police today and yesterday: http://bit.ly/VJGQzj Big Bear is shut down cc: @KFIAM640

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 04:54 PM (piMMO)

150 yeah, the media doesn't have a double standard, they have a single standard of liberalism as Centrist, Reasonable Ideology. explains most things.

in my personal life i've basically accepted there's some things it's pointless to debate people about. it'll just have to be a cold war between politicians on some issues where the base assumptions are completely different.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (60GaT)

151 Tilikum, the refusal of these American sheep to disarm has them confused, the play book worked so well every other time?

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (uPUrh)

152

What was interesting was that people actually tried to get him thrown out of the country, let alone off the tv.

Either works for me.

Posted by: confessions of a beachcomber at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (LpQbZ)

153 Every time I see a Kate Upton video, I become incited.

Posted by: Soona at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (1i3nI)

154
BREAKING ON MSNBC!
BREAKING ON MSNBC!
BREAKING ON MSNBC!

HOLY SHIT THEY DID IT!



http://tinyurl.com/bkdcdw6

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (+OTLF)

155
Ace,
Nicely said.

Add this to what you've also said recently...about how 'They hate us'...and it becomes clear, what they're doing.

What they hate about us the most......is when we're right.
[small 'r' right]

It's like when a kid sees that his parent is actually right about something, and they've been wrong in their tantrums against it.

They are desperate to continue demonizing the Right, because then...people might realize that what we're saying actually makes sense.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 04:56 PM (BZMZX)

156 These pretzels are making me thirsty!

--- Chris Dorner

Posted by: flounder at February 07, 2013 04:56 PM (Kkt/i)

157 :::135 Jordan?!?!

He reportedly has many guns so ...
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 04:52 PM (evdj2):::

No, Toby. He has ALL of them, remember? .577 Tyrannosaur? .416 Rigby? .444 Marlin? .50-70 Sharps? 6.53mm Lazzeroni Scramjet?

He's got ALL of them.

Fucking douchenozzle.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 04:56 PM (9eWxa)

158 So let's start our own network to expose the media and give folks an alternative.
Who'se got lotsa veture capital money?

Posted by: Anabolic State at February 07, 2013 04:56 PM (EYbqR)

159 On 9/11/2001 foreign terrorists took advantage of our free and open society. Using the freedoms bought and paid for by generations of patriots, they obtain materials, education and access to the American way of life.

Continuing to abuse the American openness and willingness to reasonably accept different cultures and values and withhold judgement even in the face of diametrically opposed views , the terrorists accomplished their mission of the wholesale slaughter of 3000 Americans and in the process caused the death of a huge swath of American liberty.

so Piers Morgan : What's your plan, again ?



Posted by: T.Hunter - let it burn at February 07, 2013 04:56 PM (EZl54)

160 Japan claims that Russian violated it's airspace

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (e8kgV)

161 In the Liberal worldview, Conservatives are pure evil incarnate; like the Nazis were.

I'd say we're the Jews in this metaphor, but I'm EXXXTREEEEM.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (/kI1Q)

162 I have such a dark view of the left and their motivations. I think it goes beyond just not respecting conservative speech as a valid point of view. I think they are trying to incite loons on their fringe left into violence. The newspaper publishing the gun owner map and their coverage of the Trayvon case are blatent examples of this.

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (0PiQ4)

163 About the GOP being out fr the next 8-16 years... Nationally, I agree with ace

We are in a civil war and have been since 2008. It's becoming hotter by the day. Rove's opening salvo is a symptom, not the cause. But things will get worse before they get better.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (LvqG1)

164 How did FRC, a wonky DC lobbyist outfit, get on anyone's hate group list? Did they serve bad chicken salad at a seminar?

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (uPUrh)

165
Ace,

You should use this pic!


http://tinyurl.com/bkdcdw6

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (+OTLF)

166 Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (+OTLF)

THIS TIME, Gosh Darn, I actually checked the URL first.
Will that be on at 6 or 10 PM?

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (Qxe/p)

167
My browser is cutting off part of the title of this post. All I see is: If It Will Save a Single Life, We Must Get Pie

Posted by: soothsayer's fake quotes at February 07, 2013 04:57 PM (vuIm8)

168 My thought is that most politicians aren't really that bright, not that you have to have a very high IQ to outclass a media assassin like Georgie Boy or Gregory. Add to that most of them are lazy, and used to being surrounded by either yes men and/or paid political consultants so they are unused to actually thinking, especially on their feet. Then, throw in the fact that most of them are lawyers that will gladly argue either side of anything if they get paid enough and weren't smart enough to make it as real world lawyers, and you wind up being outclassed whenever an R politician meets a hostile (and all of them are) media interviewer.


Gingrich should run a political debate prep course required by all R candidates and deleted officials. Don't give Rove a cent, give it all to Gingrich for "re-education"!

Posted by: Hrothgar - Bill Ayres Professor of Indoctrination at February 07, 2013 04:58 PM (Cnqmv)

169 Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns

http://is.gd/iZjS8G

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 07, 2013 04:58 PM (8sCoq)

170

Equally amusing (and, we've seen some of it this past year), is when an interviewee just ignores the question completely, or calls it out as silly and moves on. The look and actions of the dncpuppets is priceless (see Soledad).

Take control.
Turn them on their heads.

Posted by: confessions of a beachcomber at February 07, 2013 04:58 PM (LpQbZ)

171 Jeremy Clarkson bitchslapped my man Piers

U better stay in England, fat man!

Posted by: C Dorner at February 07, 2013 04:59 PM (wwsoB)

172 I just don't see it happening. I don't have data or facts or a complicated theory to support this; this is just my gut.

---

Fair enough. My gut tells me the party will recover sooner than that, though I suspect the definition of recover is pretty broad.

My sense of it is this, the left has basically picked up a leftist wave that started under Bush, and that Obama timed just right. The left has been coasting on that Obama crest for a while, but the wave is subsiding. He may have picked up some momentum in 2012 but it was no where near the wave he rode to victory in 2008. And all the left has is Obama. There is no democrat bench. And they lost a lot in 2010 at the local level.

Meanwhile, the GOP has deepened its bench and has made big inroads at the local and state levels. 2012 was kind of a clearing house election. The old candidates from the 2000's are now all gone. The field has been cleared. I would think the left would acknowledge they don't have many superstars in the making unless you consider the mayor of SA a superstar in the making. Someone who couldn't win a statewide election if he tried.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 04:59 PM (gmeXX)

173

Give me pie or give me death.

Posted by: soothsayer's fake quotes at February 07, 2013 04:59 PM (CXoSL)

174 >>>I also sensed Mitt Romney would win the election so... you know. I wouldn't make a prop bet on it.

I think that was 616 Earth.

Posted by: Eaton Cox at February 07, 2013 04:59 PM (q177U)

175 Ace, why do you say the party is fucked

_______________

That would mean that the GOP actually got lucky--which never happens. so. ya.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 04:59 PM (r2PLg)

176 Actual quote:

"Gonna miss shark week."

- C. Dorner

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 07, 2013 04:59 PM (UOM48)

177 108 My advice is to never fall in love with any politician, of any type. They break your heart every time.
Like a Tijuana hooker.


unlike politicans, Tijuana hookers won't steal all the money in your wallet.

Posted by: wooga at February 07, 2013 05:00 PM (CB+1e)

178 "Jello was invented by the CIA to kill blacks slowly, through he onset of diabetes."


---Christopher Jordan Dorner

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 05:00 PM (w+Dvf)

179 there is distinction between how we treat jewels and how we treat human waste!

Says you.

Posted by: Luke Chrisco, burglar o' turds at February 07, 2013 05:00 PM (QTHTd)

180 When is the last time he GOP got lucky?

Wait...

Al Gore!

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:00 PM (r2PLg)

181 The state parties will produce a new conservative philosophy. But we have to wait a while for that to percolate up to the national level. 8-16 sounds right.


I hope we still have a country.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 05:00 PM (LvqG1)

182 162 I have such a dark view of the left and their motivations. I think it goes beyond just not respecting conservative speech as a valid point of view. I think they are trying to incite loons on their fringe left into violence. The newspaper publishing the gun owner map and their coverage of the Trayvon case are blatent examples of this.


They want to kill us.

They'll use Muslims, angry minorities, police, or drones to do so.

Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk at February 07, 2013 05:01 PM (BNuW6)

183 Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns

---------------


I'm assuming they also want GM and Ford held liable for any deaths resulting from crashes involving their vehicles. I'm assuming they are likewise going after Miller and Bud and Jack Daniels for all alcohol related deaths, right?

Posted by: mama winger at February 07, 2013 05:01 PM (P6QsQ)

184 The GOP IS Fucked. But it doesn't help that they spend so much time bent over spreading their cheeks.

Posted by: maddogg at February 07, 2013 05:01 PM (OlN4e)

185 The Democrat gut is sensing rebuilding as well. Hence Amnesty.

Posted by: nip at February 07, 2013 05:02 PM (11Tdq)

186 Tilikum, the refusal of these American sheep to disarm has them confused, the play book worked so well every other time?
Posted by: Jean
***

I love humans. No claws. No sharp teeth or spines. No poison.
Just soft and juicy. Ok, a little crunchy too.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 05:02 PM (uhftQ)

187 Again, we won 25 States in the Presidential election and have 30 Governorships and also control the House of Representatives. I believe we are a 50/50 country but unfortunately the power of the Executive Branch and Judicial Branchis doing its best to make it a leftist socialist country whether we want it or not.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 05:02 PM (m2CN7)

188 "For the last time, I do not look like LL Cool J after bad shellfish reaction."

--Chris Dorner

Posted by: wooga at February 07, 2013 05:02 PM (CB+1e)

189
I have to admit a smirk that this d bag praised Piers Morgan.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 07, 2013 05:02 PM (p/cQy)

190 How did FRC, a wonky DC lobbyist outfit, get on anyone's hate group list?

They support opposite-sex marriage.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at February 07, 2013 05:03 PM (/kI1Q)

191 154
BREAKING ON MSNBC!
BREAKING ON MSNBC!
BREAKING ON MSNBC!

HOLY SHIT THEY DID IT!


http://tinyurl.com/bkdcdw6
Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (+OTLF)

______________________

Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (r2PLg)

192 Tebow, I really wanted to see you take charge of an offense again and the game. You are not a good QB by todays standards, but you are a great football player who knows how to lead a team and WIN. You will be “Tebowing” when you reach your next team. I have faith in you. Get out of that circus they call the Jets and away from the reality TV star, Rex Ryan, and Mark Rapist Sanchez.




-Chris Dorner

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (X6akg)

193 Colorado has the most ideological Leftists I've ever seen. Jared Polis is absolutely a Reaganite compared to what Boulder could vomit out.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo (the fake one) at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (QTHTd)

194 They want to kill us. They'll use Muslims, angry minorities, police, or drones to do so.
Posted by: Bevel Lemelisk
***

My mother fled Cuba a year or three aftre Castro took over.
She's freaking out because she says this is how it started there.

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (uhftQ)

195 Damn, reading his manifesto facebook post, I think I may be directly responsible for pissing this guy off when I was a troll over at MSNBC's facebook page.

Posted by: Whatev at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (A7Wh1)

196 Truman - bring on the civil war. Its a war worth having. My gut is that Rove is going to be on the losing end because he is fighting a 21st century war with 20th century weapons. All he has is money. His political capital is pretty dried up by now.

Meanwhile, the conservative base has energy and youth and superstars to truly rally around. We have blogs, facebook, and twitter and other new media. We have the AM shows too.





Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (gmeXX)

197 "My guns appear to be defective."

Looks like it works to me:

http://tinyurl.com/b2gp2tm

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (SY2Kh)

198 Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (r2PLg)


Absolutely not.
It came from some of the redacted parts of Dorner's manifesto, as have several of the quotes in the last couple posts.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (Qxe/p)

199 How did FRC, a wonky DC lobbyist outfit, get on anyone's hate group list?

They support opposite-sex marriage.

-------------


And we all know that intact marriages and strong families lead to increased rates of poverty. So that's why the Poverty Center had to target them for destruction. They really had no other option.

Posted by: mama winger at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (P6QsQ)

200 >>>Rove's opening salvo is a symptom, not the cause.

oh for god's sakes.

The Tea Party is getting on my last nerve.

I am sick to fucking death of this constant self-flattery.

The Tea Party makes a LOT of strategic errors. In fact, sometimes i think they get off on making strategic errors. Sometimes I do think they want to be protest party.

The Tea Party needs correction LIKE EVERY OTHER HUMAN ORGANIZATION IN HISTORY.

I'm a French Revolution buff. One thing that really struck home with me is how the sans-culottes, the engines of the Revolution (poor urban workers) could be whipped into frenzies by any politician flattering them and telling them they were the "Soul of France" and the salt of the earth Saints in Common Shoes.

Can we stop this? Do I have to actually sign a piece of paper declaring my loyalty an amorphous and poorly-defined group of people which is by definition leaderless and therefore does not have an actual coherent ideology I can even peruse before I agree to it?

Yes, the tea party is important. I'm actually a fan.

I'm not a fan of this endless rah-rah self-flattery.

And I'm not a fan of this idea that win by doing dumb things.



Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (LCRYB)

201 Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.


****

dude

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (piMMO)

202 Perhaps it's time to call for the Left to begin to scale back THEIR rhetoric.

When one of their gold-standard, DoJ-affiliated icons begins putting people in the crosshairs by labelling lawful, openly-operating policy groups as PUBLIC ENEMIES, maybe its time their fucking 'civility' gets looked at.

Now it's obvious their talking heads have whipped up this lunatic to a frothy foam. Who's gonna put them on trial?

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (MMC8r)

203 I love humans. No claws. No sharp teeth or spines. No poison. Just soft and juicy. Ok, a little crunchy too.


Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 05:02 PM (uhftQ)

/sharpens his harpoon....

Yes.... so.... crunchy....

Posted by: Quequag at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (lZBBB)

204 >>>154 BREAKING ON MSNBC! BREAKING ON MSNBC! BREAKING ON MSNBC! HOLY SHIT THEY DID IT! http://tinyurl.com/bkdcdw6 Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (+OTLF) ______________________ Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.
Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (r2PLg)

What are you guys seeing? I'm blocked here at work.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:06 PM (BJVEF)

205 pubs should offer an amendment making Dims personally liable foe te debt and welfare fraud.

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 05:06 PM (qjFNd)

206 and that's part of the reason I think we're out of power for 8-16 years.

I do not think that people understand that Culture Wars must be fought in the Culture and Political Wars must be fought in the political arena.

We are fighting the wrong war in the wrong place (or the right war in the wrong place).

Politics is not about getting a government blessing that one particular culture is awesome and others sucked. Politics is about government, which is itself an amoral business-like thing.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:07 PM (LCRYB)

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (+OTLF)

208 198 Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (r2PLg)

Absolutely not.
It came from some of the redacted parts of Dorner's manifesto, as have several of the quotes in the last couple posts.
Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (Qxe/p)

_____________________

I'm talking about the supposed caption MSNBC is running under his picture in the photo bucket link.

That's real?

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (r2PLg)

209 198
Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (r2PLg)

Absolutely not.
It came from some of the redacted parts of Dorner's manifesto, as have several of the quotes in the last couple posts.


Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (Qxe/p)


Wait....what are you looking at? Tasker is talking about a photoshop at Jeremiahs link @ 154.

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (X6akg)

210 What are you guys seeing? I'm blocked here at work.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:06 PM (BJVEF)


http://i115.photobucket.com/albums/n317/zuule/BarryObummer/suspect_zpseb4f50c5.jpg

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (Qxe/p)

211
If it will save a single life...I will bang Keri Russell.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (lSaJq)

212 I do not think that people understand that Culture Wars must be fought in the Culture

--------------



Amen.

Posted by: mama winger at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (P6QsQ)

213 What are you guys seeing? I'm blocked here at work.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:06 PM (BJVEF)
I put it in my link. try clicking that.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (+OTLF)

214 You may have noticed that we are buying more ammo.
http://tinyurl.com/b7lljq2
Don't worry citizens! Between the Drone overflights, the self-proclaimed authority to kill you without due process, and massive stockpiles of ammo already located around the country we can protect our voters from all the rest of you "others". Republicans, I mean.

Posted by: President For Life Obama at February 07, 2013 05:09 PM (B5y+v)

215 169 Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns

Dems in DC have tried to do this, too.

What has always killed it, is the fact that so many guns are importsmade by foreign companies.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 05:09 PM (BZMZX)

216 One thing that really struck home with me is how the sans-culottes, the
engines of the Revolution (poor urban workers) could be whipped into
frenzies by any politician flattering them and telling them they were
the "Soul of France" and the salt of the earth Saints in Common Shoes.


Cambodia, same thing, except there the rebel propaganda went out to the rural areas.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo (the fake one) at February 07, 2013 05:09 PM (QTHTd)

217 that said, I do not think any of this will be corrected until we have lost too many times to even be a competitive party and we finally do some self-examination.

My personal strategy is to take Refuge in the Abstract. I do not believe we have much chance of winning in actual politics so I too will just sort of become a protest actor, arguing for what I think is the right way to go.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:09 PM (LCRYB)

218 If it will save a single life...I will bang Keri Russell.

Well, it couldn't hurt...

Posted by: t-bird at February 07, 2013 05:09 PM (FcR7P)

219 Politics is not about getting a government blessing that one particular culture is awesome and others sucked.

In an ideal world.

In the world in which we currently live? SCOAMF and his supporters have spent the last six years doing exactly that.

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at February 07, 2013 05:09 PM (/kI1Q)

220 Ace,

Best closing line EVER!!!

Although I would not grace Gregory or snuffalufugus midget with the term "men."

Metrosexuals. That does it.

Elites. Yep.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 07, 2013 05:10 PM (tVTLU)

221 Wait....what are you looking at? Tasker is talking about a photoshop at Jeremiahs link @ 154.

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (X6akg)


Hey.
If I get sucked in, I like to spread it around a bit.
I cannot believe I blew up the photo(s) and looked for pixel oddities, but I did.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:10 PM (Qxe/p)

222 > I'm assuming they are likewise going after Miller and Bud and Jack Daniels for all alcohol related deaths, right?


Posted by: mama winger at February 07, 2013 05:01 PM (P6QsQ)

of course not. They're riding anti-gun sentiment all the way to the next election

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 07, 2013 05:10 PM (8sCoq)

223 /sharpens his harpoon.... Yes.... so.... crunchy....
Posted by: Quequag
***

Yes, a bit crunchy.
Oh, and I love piercings too, so bring it.

Posted by: Moby Dick at February 07, 2013 05:10 PM (uhftQ)

224 "We Must Get Piers Morgan's Stupid Fat Face off the Television"

You forgot to mention that snooty British accent. Who the hell does he think he is, talking like that? The elitist bastard.

Posted by: nerdygirl at February 07, 2013 05:11 PM (CR3RE)

225 Ace,

The tea party is a nascent movement. Cut them some slack. It came out of nowhere and was truly spontaneous. They're still figuring politics out.

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 05:11 PM (0PiQ4)

226 I do not believe we have much chance of winning in actual politics so I too will just sort of become a protest actor, arguing for what I think is the right way to go.

Politics right now is about dividing the pie. The Democrats will always be able to offer more free pie to their voters than we will since we don't believe in free pie. Unfortuantely, the MFM has convinced too many voters that it does exist so, it's all gotta burn before they are ready to listen.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:11 PM (evdj2)

227 The attempts by the left to start their brand of talk radio have all failed horribly: left wing talking point drivel can't stand up to dissent - it crumbles into rubble when opposed. The MFM, as we know it, exists only because no one has figured out an effective way to call bullshit on them. Maybe a running YouTube commentary program on left wing bs would work; call them out on their crap and watch what happens.

That is why socialism has to be mandatory; the left understands it can't work. It was never intended to work; its meant only to provide camouflage for the left wingers to keep them from admitting to themselves what they are really doing. Wantabee Eichmanns the sorry lot of them; that is why abortion rights is such a huge issue for them - they secretly revel in things like dead babies. Human misery is the coin of the left - without that why bother? Why do you think that liberals are drawn to support the terrorist wing of the Religion of Peace; its because they recognize other psychopaths when they see them.

The left believes that there are people who can't be trusted with power - they absolutely know that to be true - what they can't admit to themselves is that the reason that they know such people exist is that they see one every time they look in a mirror.


Posted by: An Observation at February 07, 2013 05:11 PM (ylhEn)

228 Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:08 PM (+OTLF)

Thanks but still blocked. It's my company, not you. I'll try to get it from context.


Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:12 PM (BJVEF)

229 Ted Nugent did us all a favor and was wise and cogent - thanks CNN!!!
Is there a link to the complete "interview" anywhere?
CNN website only has 1:09 minutes of the Nuge-ecation of "that gy"...


Posted by: MoJoTee at February 07, 2013 05:12 PM (e1kfW)

230 204 >>>154 BREAKING ON MSNBC! BREAKING ON MSNBC! BREAKING ON MSNBC! HOLY SHIT THEY DID IT! http://tinyurl.com/bkdcdw6 Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 04:55 PM (+OTLF) ______________________ Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.
Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (r2PLg)

What are you guys seeing? I'm blocked here at work.
Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:06 PM (BJVEF)

____________________

It looks like a still taken from MSNBC reporting.

It is a picture of the shooter in his military uniform.

Under his picture they have a huge--

BREAKING ON MSNBC KILLING SPREE SUSPECT CHRIS DORNER

Believed to be a White African American Tea Party Extremist and Radical Christian Home Grown Terrorist

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:12 PM (r2PLg)

231 Ah, here we go.

Democrats proposing gun-control measures.
http://is.gd/K0IgDo

Posted by: HeatherRadish™, predenounced for your convenience at February 07, 2013 05:12 PM (/kI1Q)

232 bravo.

and this is why we like trumps, christies, and Newt!.

Whatever their sins are, we know that they'll bring it.

I say embrace the evil, and then maybe we can have a conversation.

And, you know what they're going to say about right-wing violence?

Rudolph...abortion clinic bombings.

And maybe some dumbass like JDP will wax on about how nazi's were like conservatives even though they called themselves and acted like socialists.

But whatever, we can't win by losing.

Posted by: joeindc44 is now more concerned about Dark Ages 2.0 than Great Depression 2.0 at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (QxSug)

233 MSNBC is NOT reporting that Dorner is anything but what he is- a former LAPD officer who has killed 3 and is on the loose

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (8sCoq)

234 Number one:

Eric Cantor needs to get off the fucking camera. Nothing against the guy, but he just appears slimy as fuck.

Throw Tom Cotton up there. And have one simple answer for them on the debt ceiling.

No.

And again, no. Send some spending cuts our way before we talk any further.

Next question.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (tVTLU)

235 >>>
The tea party is a nascent movement. Cut them some slack. It came out of nowhere and was truly spontaneous. They're still figuring politics out.

You can't figure out politics when you're starting attitude is "We have nothing to learn."

I would suggest reading GK Chesterton's Allegory of the Fence, which is about a conservative appreciation for why things are the way they are, instead of indulging in juvenile radicalism where we're just gonna go ahead and reinvent that wheel.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (LCRYB)

236 >>>I'm a French Revolution buff. One thing that really struck home with me is how the sans-culottes, the engines of the Revolution (poor urban workers) could be whipped into frenzies by any politician flattering them and telling them they were the "Soul of France" and the salt of the earth Saints in Common Shoes.

Oh, noesss!!!1!!! Have you gone commie on us, Ace? The French Revolution was despicable. Luckily it burned out after only about a 100k people were murdered but led to that tyrant Napoleon where god knows how many more died.

How many times have you watched/read/sand Lez Miz? Do your pants reach your ankles? Are you wearing a funny red felt hat?

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (lSaJq)

237 Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:12 PM (BJVEF)

You owe it to yourself to revisit this (and the previous) thread when you get home. Priceless.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (Qxe/p)

238 My personal strategy is to take Refuge in the Abstract. I do not believe we have much chance of winning in actual politics so I too will just sort of become a protest actor, arguing for what I think is the right way to go.

----

My personal strategy is to take Refuge in the State. Easy to do when you live in Texas. But we can do it in the other states. You take the little victories where you can. We can all be dissappointed in Kasich's decision, but 4 years ago, we may not have even been dissappointed because we would have just assumed it would happen. But look at what is happening in WI, look at MI. No we haven't flipped those states, but we are making progress.

If you can't win at the federal level, minimize your losses, and start winning battles that are winnable.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (gmeXX)

239
I have such a dark view of the left and their motivations.

So. Somebody finally admits this all about race?

Posted by: Maureen Dowdd at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (StZoF)

240 Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:12 PM (BJVEF)

It's a lightened picture of the loon with the caption saying he is a white african american tea party member home grown terrorist.

Posted by: RWC at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (fWAjv)

241 oh I didn't mean "You," I meant 'one."

This attitude that there should be no Politics in Politics is preposterous.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (LCRYB)

242 I examine myself every day. Keeps those darned remoras off of me...

Posted by: Tilikum the Killer Assault Whale at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (uhftQ)

243 Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns

Will they also be handing out rewards for every bank and store that doesn't knocked over?

Posted by: t-bird at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (FcR7P)

244 Maybe an aside but

It's fucking amazing to me that no-one on the conservative side has said "fuck it, they're already calling me evil, and a terrorist, I've got nothing left to lose."

I mean, abso-lute-ly fucking amazing to me.

Posted by: GMan at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (UkbKS)

245 My personal strategy is to take Refuge in the Abstract.

-----------

My personal strategy is to take Refuge in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. In the person of Jesus Christ who conquered sin and death and is coming again to judge the world in righteousness and truth, and who for some unfathomable reason gave His life for me because He saw something there worth saving. Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift.

Posted by: mama winger at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (P6QsQ)

246 Ted Nugent did us all a favor and was wise and cogent - thanks CNN!!!
Is there a link to the complete "interview" anywhere?
CNN website only has 1:09 minutes of the Nuge-ecation of "that gy"...

***

http://bit.ly/WWRq3H

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 05:14 PM (piMMO)

247 Ace, I think you should stop conflating the Tea Party Express and other such organizations and the spontaneous, grassroots protests against Obamacare.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 05:14 PM (w+Dvf)

248 The guy is not an American citizen. If we had the immigration laws of some other countries, he would not even be here. He'd have had to prove that only he, a foreigner, could do the job he's doing. Usually countries that require proof like that are busy importing rocket scientists and science and tech types, not talk show hosts, anyone can do that job, anyone.

Posted by: food fight! at February 07, 2013 05:14 PM (/b8+5)

249
Thanks but still blocked. It's my company, not you. I'll try to get it from context.







Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:12 PM (BJVEF)

See message 230, then also picture him with in his military uniform with his skin bleached out to look white.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:14 PM (+OTLF)

250 Holy snikes please tell me that is a photoshop.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:04 PM (r2PLg)

Absolutely not.
It came from some of the redacted parts of Dorner's manifesto, as have several of the quotes in the last couple posts.

Check out the pic: Believed to be a "White African American" Teaparty Terrorist & Radical Christian Home Grown Terrorist.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 05:15 PM (GFM2b)

251 >>>Oh, noesss!!!1!!! Have you gone commie on us, Ace? The French Revolution was despicable. Luckily it burned out after only about a 100k people were murdered but led to that tyrant Napoleon where god knows how many more died.

uh... yeah... I was just writing about how the engines of the revolution could be whipped into frenzies by ideologues.

You have successfully parsed my words. Obviously I meant "I'm a big fan of the Reign of Terror." You nailed it on your first try.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:15 PM (LCRYB)

252 The quote Ace uses to illustrate his point is brilliant here--

in absence of a market of competing ideas--and balanced reporting what the media ends up presenting is a sort of unquestioned unchecked perversion of religion.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:15 PM (r2PLg)

253 Who's not an American citizen?

Ace?
Nugent?
The Killer Kop?

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:15 PM (lSaJq)

254 @piersmorgan - "I hope they catch him."


http://tinyurl.com/d2j8osw (Mercury News)

If the cops beat this clown before he offs himself, will Piers have John Burris as a guest?

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at February 07, 2013 05:16 PM (bGlsD)

255 Politics is not about getting a government blessing that one particular culture is awesome and others sucked. Politics is about government, which is itself an amoral business-like thing.

For us it is. For them, it's exactly about blessing a particular culture--theirs. Picking winners and losers, if you will.

It's why the differences are irreconcilable.

Alternately, of course, we can just say "screw it", choose a cultural paradigm, and say "this is what we will enshrine, to hell with the rest". Which actually has tactical and strategic advantages, if you take a look at it.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 07, 2013 05:16 PM (GBXon)

256 Obviously I meant "I'm a big fan of the Reign of Terror."

I'm rapidly getting there. The are many scores to be settled in the Burning Time.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:16 PM (evdj2)

257 If we are going to save this country...we each must stay informed and spread the Truth don't let their lies go uncontested....

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 07, 2013 05:16 PM (fhgzy)

258
This racist killer on the run has been driving all over the vicinity I live in.

Dumbshit is admittedly targetting cops kids as well as the cops.

He'll be dead before the day is over. Swat moving through Big Bear and all schools on lockdown

Posted by: Who Knows at February 07, 2013 05:17 PM (W+Itt)

259 244
Maybe an aside but

It's fucking amazing to me that no-one on the
conservative side has said "fuck it, they're already calling me evil,
and a terrorist, I've got nothing left to lose."

I mean, abso-lute-ly fucking amazing to me.



Posted by: GMan at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (UkbKS)

Crazy on both sides. But Hair Triggers are usually more common in repressed metrosexual cocksucking liberals.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:17 PM (+OTLF)

260 BTW, the faux Dorner quotes in the previous threads are hysterical. Well done morons.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:17 PM (evdj2)

261 Under his picture they have a huge--

BREAKING ON MSNBC KILLING SPREE SUSPECT CHRIS DORNER

Believed to be a White African American Tea Party Extremist and Radical Christian Home Grown Terrorist

Posted by: tasker


Amigo, Jerkamia is just jerking your jerkchain.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2013 05:18 PM (NTBjC)

262 The Allegory of the Fence is a fantastic way to think about things.

Really made me think on several different subjects.

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 07, 2013 05:18 PM (tVTLU)

263 >>>You have successfully parsed my words. Obviously I meant "I'm a big fan of the Reign of Terror." You nailed it on your first try.

Well, what else did the French Revolution accomplish but the Reign of Terror, Napoleon, and a lot of calenders that had to be thrown out?

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:18 PM (lSaJq)

264 I pity the fool!
-Dorner

Posted by: Dorner at February 07, 2013 05:19 PM (uhftQ)

265 ::::217 that said, I do not think any of this will be corrected until we have lost too many times to even be a competitive party and we finally do some self-examination. ::::

I partially agree with you. Self examination. Is part of it, but the only way we regain power is after the Free Shitters reap what they've sown.

There is no incentive for them to change their vote until Tr Burning Times have begun.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 05:19 PM (9eWxa)

266 MSNBC: Kill Forward

Posted by: zsasz at February 07, 2013 05:19 PM (MMC8r)

267 Nicely done Ace.

Posted by: 1idvet at February 07, 2013 05:19 PM (DXQ6h)

268 Gman

I don't find that amazing at all... I don't expect right thinking people to go off like crazy liberals

Posted by: phoenixgirl waiting for spring training at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (fhgzy)

269 Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns


*****

Buck to be held responsible for knife crimes.

Louisville Slugger to be prosecuted for beatings with their bats.

Big Rx to be worked over when someone dies of overdose.

It could go on endlessly.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (piMMO)

270 Well, what else did the French Revolution accomplish but the Reign of Terror, Napoleon, and a lot of calenders that had to be thrown out?

We got the Louisiana Purchase out of the deal, so there's that.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (evdj2)

271 "And maybe some dumbass like JDP will wax on about how nazi's were like
conservatives even though they called themselves and acted like
socialists."

lol this

look i'm just not a fan of historical revisionism, is all. "Nazis were left-wing" and "Southern Democrats voted against civil rights and this has something to do with the current Democratic Party" are two talking points that as a history person i just can't accept, although ultimately they're irrelevant to current politics.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (60GaT)

272 You can't figure out politics when you're starting attitude is "We have nothing to learn."


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Ace I don't think this is completely fair. I agree with you that the tea party does need to learn from its mistakes, though somewhat hard to do considering it is a very disorganized "party." I think you could potentially forgive the tea party for O'Donnell. They were feeling its oats and may have wanted to send a message. But there is something to learn. Just like there is something to learn from Ted Cruz' campaign. Make sure you have a truly qualified candidat to run.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (gmeXX)

273 Politics is not about getting a government blessing
that one particular culture is awesome and others sucked. Politics is
about government, which is itself an amoral business-like thing.





Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:07 PM (LCRYB)

Used to be. The last four years has proved otherwise. The right is still fighting the gentleman's game and getting owned time after time. I don't know that one party can separate culture from politics when, at every step, you opponent is mixing the two and demonizing your cultures that are your base (and your politics, too).

Posted by: flounder at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (Kkt/i)

274 >>>Well, what else did the French Revolution accomplish but the Reign of Terror, Napoleon, and a lot of calenders that had to be thrown out?

you're an idiot. Being a "buff" of a historical event doesn't mean you're a *FAN* of it.

Millions were slaughtered in the civil war but civil war buffs don't beat off to soldiers dying.

In case you didn't know this, some of the most interesting parts of history involve very large numbers of people dying and some bad people doing some very bad things.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (LCRYB)

275 246
Ted Nugent did us all a favor and was wise and cogent - thanks CNN!!!

Is there a link to the complete "interview" anywhere?

CNN website only has 1:09 minutes of the Nuge-ecation of "that gy"...



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http://bit.ly/WWRq3H



Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 05:14 PM (piMMO)


Thanks! I kept meaning to go look for that but got sidetracked.

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (X6akg)

276 We got the Louisiana Purchase out of the deal, so there's that.
Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor
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Reign of Terror indeed.

Posted by: Dorner at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (uhftQ)

277 SCOAMF and his supporters have spent the last six years doing exactly that.

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Word.

We got our asses kicked by a guy running on "War on Women" "Open Borders" "Rich vs Poor" "Social Justice" "Gay Marriage" and "That guys strapped a dog to the hood of his car."


Posted by: fixerupper at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (nELVU)

278 btw, the "allegory of the fence" is this post - http://minx.cc/?post=320257

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (QTHTd)

279 You can't figure out politics when you're starting attitude is "We have nothing to learn."


Classic Projection.

Posted by: nip at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (11Tdq)

280 Thanks be to God for His unspeakable gift

Amen

Posted by: GMan at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (UkbKS)

281 You have successfully parsed my words. Obviously I meant "I'm a big fan of the Reign of Terror." You nailed it on your first try.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:15 PM (LCRYB)


_______________

Ya, Robespierre he was kind of hot.

Posted by: tThey Call Me Paris-Paris Hilton at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (r2PLg)

282 #248

But with a British accent? Is Cary Elwes available?


Posted by: epobirs at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (kcfmt)

283 Amigo, Jerkamia is just jerking your jerkchain.


Give PMSNBC time.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (GFM2b)

284 Ugh. Who did this? Why does this happen? Why is blog all fat again?

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (0PiQ4)

285
that said, I do not think any of this will be corrected until we have lost too many times to even be a competitive party and we finally do some self-examination.

My personal strategy is to take Refuge in the Abstract. I do not believe we have much chance of winning in actual politics so I too will just sort of become a protest actor, arguing for what I think is the right way to go.


I'm not sure what you're calling Abstract, Ace. IMO, we have precious few pols even talking about the important stuff and how the Left is killing it. That's why "our side" is losing badly: where is anyone talking about the Things That Need to Be Done? Like getting the economy up and going again by encouraging real growth? Stopping this tsunami of gederal regulations that's turning all of us into criminals without our knowledge or consent? The outright assault on the country and the Constitution, freedom and liberty? Ten years ago, we weren't called "extreme" for wanting a modicum of sanity from those we elect. Look around today.

For some reason I can't explain, normal, everyday Americans have been turned into the enemy. It's as though the whole country has gone quite mad. And quickly.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (+z4pE)

286 I think Ace needs a nap...

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:21 PM (lSaJq)

287 217...I do not believe we have much chance of winning in actual politics so I too will just sort of become a protest actor, arguing for what I think is the right way to go.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:09 PM (LCRYB)


It's what the Dems did, to get to the wins that they're enjoying now...isn't it?
Being 'protest actors'?

After 9/11, it's like they couldn't stand to see us united.
And we were, moreso than we...as a country...had been in a long time.

So Soros and other progs, set out to systematically destroy that unity and divide us.
Divide and conquer.

They set up websites and funded the 'protest actors'.
TFG himself, was one of those voices...it's how he gained his fame.

They managed to make people disgruntled, even when there was a good economy going on.

The economy is still the biggest issue for the majority out there.
And nothing good is going to happen, not anytime soon.

Let's see how the 'favorables' are in 6 months...or this time next year.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 05:22 PM (BZMZX)

288 Why is blog all fat again?

It's just big-boned.

Hater.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:22 PM (evdj2)

289 Millions were slaughtered in the civil war but civil war buffs don't beat off to soldiers dying. In case you didn't know this, some of the most interesting parts of history involve very large numbers of people dying and some bad people doing some very bad things.
Posted by: ace
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Interesting times.
May we not end up living in them.

Posted by: Dorner at February 07, 2013 05:22 PM (uhftQ)

290 I do not think that people understand that Culture Wars must be fought in the Culture and Political Wars must be fought in the political arena.


Education overlaps both.

Posted by: confessions of a beachcomber at February 07, 2013 05:22 PM (LpQbZ)

291 Goddamnit, why does this blog software have to suck so fucking hard? Why does it HAVE to stretch out so fucking wide as to be unreadable?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 05:22 PM (9eWxa)

292 Twitchy thread following Piers' tweet

http://bit.ly/YdC8VG

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 05:22 PM (piMMO)

293 Amigo, Jerkamia is just jerking your jerkchain.
Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2013 05:18 PM (NTBjC)

Damnit not again.

Gawd.

The parody it's too believable.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:23 PM (r2PLg)

294 also i never said Nazis were like conservatives, i said they were far-right.

it's like saying that if you point out that liberalism and Marxism are both left-wing you're somehow impugning liberals.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:23 PM (60GaT)

295 Damnit, Ace hijacked the thread again with teh French.

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 05:23 PM (0PiQ4)

296 Send Pitchforks, Feathers and Tar

Posted by: Zombie Warren Zevon at February 07, 2013 05:23 PM (6OjR8)

297 Why does it HAVE to stretch out so fucking wide

Dude, just...dude.

Posted by: The Chicken at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (/kI1Q)

298
At least initially, stupid mf'er was in possesion of both his military id and LAPD badge.
Any law enforcement out there, you know what the mood is now.
He deserves every headshot and hole he gets elsewhere.

Posted by: Who Knows at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (W+Itt)

299 Every hot civil war starts as a cultural war. It seems odd that I'm saying this, but conservatives need to keep their fingers off the trigger. The first shots fired will be from the left. And that could be either a real shot, or some super monstrosity of an edict from the self-proclaimed lords in DC.

A national conversation is impossible. We're running out of words.

Posted by: Soona at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (1i3nI)

300 >>> I don't know that one party can separate culture from politics when, at every step, you opponent is mixing the two and demonizing your cultures that are your base (and your politics, too).

ehhh... yeah that's true, but I would say the Democrats do have several cultures they champion -- union workers, teachers, gays, minorities, etc.

Our party cannot push one culture so much, especially given that culture is shrinking, population-wise.

There is a lot of pushback when people say "We need to broaden our message and attract more people." The pushback consists of saying "No, we shouldn't broaden our message, we should just convince more people to believe in our culture."

People don't change their minds, though. They really don't. Oh, sure, you'll have some waves, now and again. But in the main people don't change their minds, and don't want to even have it suggested they have their minds changed.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (LCRYB)

301
We got our asses kicked by a guy running on "War
on Women" "Open Borders" "Rich vs Poor" "Social Justice" "Gay Marriage"
and "That guys strapped a dog to the hood of his car."






Posted by: fixerupper at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (nELVU)

The funny part is when you compare Romney to Obama on those points.War on women..Obama is much shittier to women in pay and positionOpen BOrders..obama has deported more than bush didRich V Poor. Obama has screwed the poor way more and never gave even close to what romney has back to thelp them.i could go one...but really WHAT DIFFERENCE DOES IT MAKE.we got beaten by a lying cocksucker who lied and the dumbfucks we call fellow citizens ate that shit up.What does it say about him...but what does it really say about us...we the dumbfucktarded people.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (+OTLF)

302 also i never said Nazis were like conservatives, i said they were far-right.

And you're still wrong, they were left.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (GBXon)

303
Why does it HAVE to stretch out so fucking wide as to be unreadable?

You should see Michele's anal tat.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (6OjR8)

304 also i never said Nazis were like conservatives, i said they were far-right.it's like saying that if you point out that liberalism and Marxism are both left-wing you're somehow impugning liberals.
Posted by: JDP
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The nazis were a type of socialist. THAT is right wing?

Posted by: Dorner at February 07, 2013 05:25 PM (uhftQ)

305 >Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns


And they propose this legislation knowing full well there is a federal statute that forbids it

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 07, 2013 05:25 PM (8sCoq)

306 >>>'m not sure what you're calling Abstract, Ace. IMO, we have precious few pols even talking about the important stuff and how the Left is killing it. That's why "our side" is losing badly: where is anyone talking about the Things That Need to Be Done? Like getting the economy up and going again by encouraging real growth? Stopping this tsunami of gederal regulations that's turning all of us into criminals without our knowledge or consent? The outright assault on the country and the Constitution, freedom and liberty? Ten years ago, we weren't called "extreme" for wanting a modicum of sanity from those we elect. Look around today.


everything you say is true but what can one do if one doesn't believe one can win?

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:25 PM (LCRYB)

307 also i never said Nazis were like conservatives, i said they were far-right.

Posted by: JDP


And you're still wrong, dippy. National socialism is exactly what it states, socialism.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2013 05:26 PM (NTBjC)

308 Allowing things to be politicized in the first place is how the professionally corrupt maintain their role in government. Things never change when one is fearful of something that upsets the status quo. Politicians need to be told they're full of shit more often, especially the newcomers who think they are learning the game when it is really the game learning them.

Posted by: epobirs at February 07, 2013 05:26 PM (kcfmt)

309 Thanks! I kept meaning to go look for that but got sidetracked.

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You're welcome.

I needed the reminder myself. I still haven't watched the entire vid.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at February 07, 2013 05:26 PM (piMMO)

310 Blog isn't wide...for me. It looks the same.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 05:26 PM (BZMZX)

311 >>>Let's see how the 'favorables' are in 6 months...or this time next year.


well that's the nice thing about life: No one stays on top for very long.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:27 PM (LCRYB)

312 Marcel Marceau tried the abstract protest but no one heard it.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:27 PM (r2PLg)

313 "There is a lot of pushback when people say "We need to broaden our message and attract more people." The pushback consists of saying "No, we shouldn't broaden our message, we should just convince more people to believe in our culture." Ace
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Actually, I think it's more because of HOW they want to do it. Amnesty, become dem lite, etc.

Posted by: Dorner at February 07, 2013 05:27 PM (uhftQ)

314 FoxB just showed outgoing ecretary Ray LaHood crying on NPR for more money to fix all the bad roads and bridges.


Of course NPR did not ask what they did with all the money that was supposed to go there. So FoxB put together a panel that did ask and then answered how the money was wasted.


But they did not bring up the ALL Democrat passed law that mandates 20% of gas tax go to inner city buses and trains.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:27 PM (53z96)

315 310
Blog isn't wide...for me. It looks the same.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 05:26 PM (BZMZX)
maybe you are using a wide screen monitor

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:27 PM (+OTLF)

316
It's fucking amazing to me that no-one on the
conservative side has said "fuck it, they're already calling me evil,
and a terrorist, I've got nothing left to lose."

I mean, abso-lute-ly fucking amazing to me.



Posted by: GMan at February 07, 2013 05:13 PM (UkbKS)


Thus far, our resistance to the 24/7 goading has been nothing short of a miracle.But there really is no doubt in my mind after seeing the gun stores cleaned out to the bare shelves that we are preparing for war. It may not be a completely conscious thing, but we are.

Posted by: Jaws at February 07, 2013 05:28 PM (4I3Uo)

317 Why does it HAVE to stretch out so fucking wide as to be unreadable?

You should see Michele's anal tat.

When she's standing, it says, "WENDY". When she bends over it says, "WElcome to Jamacia. Have a Nice DaY.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 05:28 PM (GFM2b)

318 jeremiah I know that you live in Henderson.

Next time I go to the drip I might detour--over--your house.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:28 PM (r2PLg)

319 310
Blog isn't wide...for me. It looks the same.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 05:26 PM (BZMZX)


Yeah, me too.

Posted by: Tami at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (X6akg)

320 look i'm just not a fan of historical revisionism, is all. "Nazis were left-wing" and "Southern Democrats voted against civil rights and this has something to do with the current Democratic Party" are two talking points that as a history person i just can't accept, although ultimately they're irrelevant to current politics.
Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:20 PM (60GaT)

The Democrats Lion of the Senate, Byrd filibustered the Civil Rights Act. Bill Clinton's mentor and sponsorwas a ardent Segregationist and Racist. Al Gores father was as well. Of course there is a connection tocivil rights to today's Democrats. Ignoring that is revising history.

Also, Nazis were Socialists, thus the name, who believed the government would take care of all things. Just because they allowed 'private' enterprise doesn't mean they did not have the same policies of the left.Theywere foes of communism because they were competitors.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (m2CN7)

321 People don't change their minds, though. They really don't. Oh, sure, you'll have some waves, now and again. But in the main people don't change their minds, and don't want to even have it suggested they have their minds changed.

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No they don't. We are in a culture war, one that we have been in for a long time. War may not be the right metaphor. All we have been doing is papering over this cultural divide with compromises. We know how this worked out the first time. I doubt we'll get to the same point, but we shouldn't expect a happy resolution. History doesn't work that way.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (gmeXX)

322 And I'm not a fan of this idea that win by doing dumb things.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:05 PM (LCRYB)

If you want to win, sometimes there's nothing for it but to charge the hill and hope for the best. Only in hindsight can one say with certainty whetheror not it wasthe smart move.

Posted by: troyriser at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (vtiE6)

323 *the drip* oy.

Consider this a protest--in the abstract of something.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (r2PLg)

324 200 Ace,

Epic post it has to be Cruz I think. Cruz is the TP "It" guy right now and I think he can reach out to Hispanics and turn the tables on the MFM the best.

They have plans for us and they're not playing the card game by Hoyle.

Posted by: sven10077 at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (DI97Z)

325 incidentally the French Revolution is a good little story because it has a perfect ending:

Robspierre, the champion of Terror in order to instil "Virtue," and the man who guillotined 100,000, gets his fucking head cut off at the end, along with five or six of his henchmen.

Couldn't have written it better.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (LCRYB)

326 Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns


And they propose this legislation knowing full well there is a federal statute that forbids it


Two of LAPD's finest hardest hit.

Posted by: rickb223 at February 07, 2013 05:30 PM (GFM2b)

327 JDP, the European and American political spectra are different. In American English, the entire European spectrum is "left wing," apart from a handful of desperate and lonely Libertarians.

If you look at the NSDAP and other Nazi plans and platforms, their big pushes were basically race bigotry, anti-capitalism, and pro-labor. Abolition of speculation, nationalization of industry, obligation to work, welfare, etc.

The only way you can call them "right wing" is to adopt the patently false leftist claim that racism and authoritarianism are automatically "right wing."

Which is horseshit.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 07, 2013 05:30 PM (bxiXv)

328 "
And you're still wrong, dippy. National socialism is exactly what it states, socialism."

the People's Republic of China is exactly what it states, a people's republic.

again if you can't see the difference between defining a nation in extremely ethnically particular terms, to the point where people who don't fit that definition are subhuman, and the Marxist definition of people in terms of class, i dunno what to tell you.

of course they're both evil in their own unique ways.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:30 PM (60GaT)

329 Royalist checking in!

Nazism was a form of socialism that appealed to the European-style Right; people who wanted order, authority, hierarchy and a strongman. There wasn't a Habsburg or a Kaiser anymore (unfortunately) so the German Right went for the jerk who passed himself off as the next best thing.

The libertarian impulse - which is strong in what passes for the American Right - is over the pond called "classical liberalism" and it used to be the Left over there. The Whigs, for instance.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 07, 2013 05:30 PM (QTHTd)

330 ...maybe you are using a wide screen monitor

Well, yeah...but the blog appears in a narrow column in the middle of the screen, like it always does.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 05:31 PM (BZMZX)

331
No, the nazis were not socialists. Hitler changed the name of the party and stuck in the word socialist to show that they were not capitalists.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:31 PM (lSaJq)

332 Ace, don't get all up in my grill.

The party elites are all compromised and lean far left of center. The "tea party" if it's anything is a group of people who are saying, "woah, slow the fuck down with all this shit".

We-- you and me-- we're not angels or saints of martyrs or perfect. But we are going to save the country of jefferson and washington and coolidge or die trying.

I'm not flattering anyone. Rove knows were over the target and that's why we're taking the flak.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 05:31 PM (LvqG1)

333 Robspierre, the champion of Terror in order to instil "Virtue," and the man who guillotined 100,000, gets his fucking head cut off at the end, along with five or six of his henchmen.

Wasn't he executed face up, for the terror yo?

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:32 PM (QupBk)

334 Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2013 05:26 PM (NTBjC)

It's sort of depressing that we have to debunk this every few months.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:32 PM (GsoHv)

335 Maybe because I'm born European I tend to define "Right" as deference to lawful hierarchy, and not in terms of free markets or freedom generally . . .

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 07, 2013 05:32 PM (QTHTd)

336
>>Robspierre, the champion of Terror in order to instil "Virtue," and the man who guillotined 100,000, gets his fucking head cut off at the end, along with five or six of his henchmen.<<

I must have missed that while I was in the bath.

Posted by: Jean-Paul Marat at February 07, 2013 05:33 PM (6OjR8)

337 "The only way you can call them "right wing" is to adopt the patently
false leftist claim that racism and authoritarianism are automatically
"right wing."

well i view more culturally and ethnically-particular views of a country as on the right, as opposed to the Left which tends to view nations in more abstract terms, hence their support for goofiness like open borders.

the Nazis took the former to a genocidal extreme. so, far-right. the fact that they weren't Milton Friedman on economics is secondary to their core ideology.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:33 PM (60GaT)

338 No, the nazis were not socialists. Hitler changed
the name of the party and stuck in the word socialist to show that they
were not capitalists.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:31 PM (lSaJq)


That is absolute unadulterated bull shit.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:34 PM (53z96)

339 ::::325 incidentally the French Revolution is a good little story because it has a perfect ending:

Robspierre, the champion of Terror in order to instil "Virtue," and the man who guillotined 100,000, gets his fucking head cut off at the end, along with five or six of his henchmen.

Couldn't have written it better.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:29 PM (LCRYB):::

Robespierre was a poncy little fag. It's a wonder that he could create such a cult based on the "virtue" of Terror.

Motherfucker wasn't nearly tall enough to pull off The Lord Vigo thing.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 05:34 PM (9eWxa)

340 "Do we ever swing the hot light around and begin Watching the Watchmen?"

I didn't think laser sights were hot.

Posted by: Mindful STILL banned on the desktop at February 07, 2013 05:34 PM (uHgI5)

341 The pendulum is about to reach the limit of its leftward swing and start the return journey, if it hasn't already. There is a point where we it looks as if nothing is happening when, in fact, a crucial event is happening and that's where we are now.

The other analogy is the slingshot. You pull back as far as you can but the return journey is going to be a doozy.

The lefties have a poor knowledge of the laws of physics or even history. They think everything will always go their way. Even in human events there comes a point when things have gone too far and the momentum is about to go the other way.

Posted by: Decaf at February 07, 2013 05:34 PM (NmvvV)

342 again if you can't see the difference between defining a nation in extremely ethnically particular terms, to the point where people who don't fit that definition are subhuman, and the Marxist definition of people in terms of class, i dunno what to tell you.

of course they're both evil in their own unique ways.

Posted by: JDP


Ok, 'Right' means sorting out human and sub-human?

Gee, that makes your revision sound so much nicer. How do you stand hanging out with us ethnic supremacists?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2013 05:35 PM (NTBjC)

343 Nice:

"All eyes are on Robespierre's Tumbril, where he, his jaw bound in dirty linen, with his half-dead Brother, and half-dead Henriot, lie shattered; their 'seventeen hours' of agony about to end. The Gendarmes point their swords at him, to shew the people which is he. A woman springs on the Tumbril; clutching the side of it with one hand; waving the other Sibyl-like; and exclaims: 'The death of thee gladdens my very heart, m'enivre de joie;' Robespierre opened his eyes; 'Scelerat, go down to Hell, with the curses of all wives and mothers!'--At the foot of the scaffold, they stretched him on the ground till his turn came. Lifted aloft, his eyes again opened; caught the bloody axe. Samson wrenched the coat off him; wrenched the dirty linen from his jaw: the jaw fell powerless, there burst from him a cry;--hideous to hear and see."

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:35 PM (QupBk)

344 Excellent analysis, Ace. Really loving the media-related posts. On this one, I would also take your analysis one step further. And I think it illuminates your assessment even more:

The left doesn't really see it as "liberal speech" vs. "conservative speech". It's "normal" vs. "extremism", from the get-go. So you never even get to the logical juncture of how to treat one vs. the other.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 07, 2013 05:35 PM (zpqa2)

345 Ace

and Jean-Paul Marat was stabbed to death in his bath tub by Charlotte Corday.

Fairy tale ending.

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 05:35 PM (0PiQ4)

346 325 incidentally the French Revolution is a good little story because it has a perfect ending:

Robspierre, the champion of Terror in order to instil "Virtue," and the man who guillotined 100,000, gets his fucking head cut off at the end, along with five or six of his henchmen.

Couldn't have written it better.



The Guillotine only killed about 18,000. I bet the 100,000 number is total killed.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 05:36 PM (LvqG1)

347 No, the nazis were not socialists. Hitler changed the name of the party and stuck in the word socialist to show that they were not capitalists.
Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:31 PM (lSaJq)

If the government was going to provide everything for the citizens then they were socialist. That was the plan. The government would decide who would work where, how and when. The fruits of their labor would bedistributedby the government.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 05:36 PM (m2CN7)

348 A-FUCKING MEN Ace!!

Posted by: Mr. Moo Moo at February 07, 2013 05:36 PM (HDgX3)

349 Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:14 PM (+OTLF)

Thanks. Got it.

Posted by: LGoPs at February 07, 2013 05:36 PM (4x8W0)

350 #328

The question you fail to ask about the PRC is 'which people?'

Hint: It isn't the billion+ bulk of the population.

Posted by: epobirs at February 07, 2013 05:36 PM (kcfmt)

351 Who knew that this post would turn into an education on the French Revolution. I mean it was easy to predict that Nazi's would show up, but using the French Revolution in a critique of the Tea Party. I didn't see that coming.

Posted by: SH at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (gmeXX)

352 311 >>>Let's see how the 'favorables' are in 6 months...or this time next year.
well that's the nice thing about life: No one stays on top for very long.
Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:27 PM (LCRYB)

---------

What would be effective, I think...is to keep up a drumbeat of what is *worse* now, and the Freedoms that we've lost.

Starting with Gas Prices.
People were free to move about the country when gas was at $1.65.

The Dems don't want to talk about this.

They screamed about Gas Prices, back in 2008...when we had that spike in prices.
You'd think it was the end of the world, they way they talked about it then.

Now, they don't want to talk about how everything is more expensive.

We shouldn't let them get away with making this the 'New Normal'.

Posted by: wheatie at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (BZMZX)

353 That is absolute unadulterated bull shit.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:34 PM (53z96)

Well, not complete bullshit. Nothing was misspelled.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (GsoHv)

354
>>Charlotte Corday<<


Biches, man. Bitches.

Posted by: Jean-Paul Marat at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (6OjR8)

355 Shoot! Jean-Paul Marat sock, you beat me to it!

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (0PiQ4)

356 Robespierre was a poncy little fag.

The whole of Hollywood, with a few exceptions, could be tagged this way.

Come to think of it, Piers Morgan.

Posted by: Decaf at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (NmvvV)

357 "Ok, 'Right' means sorting out human and sub-human?"

no

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (60GaT)

358 Piers Morgan telling Mark Kelly that Sarah Palin should call
Kelly's wife, Rep. Gabby Giffords, to apologize for her alleged role in
creating the "Climate of Hate" that led to the Tucson shooting.
http://tinyurl.com/aq8ptkl


Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (w+Dvf)

359 Ok, 'Right' means sorting out human and sub-human?

No; but it does mean sorting out "fit to rule", "fit to advise" and "other". Nothing wrong with being "other", but "other" was supposed to know its place.

In the European definition, of course.

Posted by: boulder toilet hobo at February 07, 2013 05:37 PM (QTHTd)

360 Where is Amish Dude?

Robespierre advocat which is Frwanch for _____.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:38 PM (r2PLg)

361 Thermidor is coming, ace.


Coming soon...

Posted by: ace's cell phone ( still charging ) at February 07, 2013 05:38 PM (Dll6b)

362 The Nazi party was just as socialist/communist as the Bolsheviks in Russia. They called themselves Fascists though because they hated the Russians and did not want to be compared to them.


Need to read Jonah Goldberg's book and William Shirer's book.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:38 PM (53z96)

363
Naw, the German National Socialists weren't even close to being socialists. They let business owners keep their names on the factory signage and everything! Totally different!

Fascism and socialism have distinctions with precious little difference.

Posted by: Jaws at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (4I3Uo)

364 >>>353 That is absolute unadulterated bull shit.
Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:34 PM (53z96)
Well, not complete bullshit. Nothing was misspelled.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo

Well, I'll take Ian Kershaw's opinion over you two assholes anyday.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (lSaJq)

365 well i view more culturally and ethnically-particular views of a country as on the right, as opposed to the Left which tends to view nations in more abstract terms, hence their support for goofiness like open borders.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:33 PM (60GaT)


WWII started because of a split between nationalist and internationalist *socialists*. All on the left.

The internationalists tried to (and with you, successfully) redefine nationalism as "right wing."

There are plenty of ethic- and national-solidarity leftists, YOU MAY HAVE NOTICED A FEW.

Or maybe not.

The whole left-right thing is too narrow a construct, but it doesn't help when you just rubber-stamp anything you don't like as "right wing," which is part of the reason why American left and right can't even speak to each other anymore.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (bxiXv)

366 Adjustable screen width is a feature request for the next version of this blog, due out in 2052.

Posted by: Whatev at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (A7Wh1)

367 All I can say is this, Archer better be fucking good tonight!

Posted by: Prescient11 at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (tVTLU)

368 Also: Robespierre was actually Scottish. And at his trial, they cut out his tongue before they tried him so he couldn't talk his way out of it.

Posted by: Truman North at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (LvqG1)

369
you beat me to it!


You have to get out of the tub prettyearly around this place.

Posted by: Jean-Paul Marat at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (6OjR8)

370 Damn autocorrect


avocat-- Robespierre's first gig.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:40 PM (r2PLg)

371 18-24", Massholes. Plan accordingly.

Nothing like a good blizzard to demoralize the Warmists. I'll take it.

Posted by: Cracker trapped in a Masshole's body at February 07, 2013 05:40 PM (eNLNn)

372 The only way you can call them "right wing" is to adopt the patently
false leftist claim that racism and authoritarianism are automatically
"right wing."


I believe the Nazi = far right thing comes from the militant ultra-nationalism aspect.

The were born of different theories, but in practice there was almost no difference between Communism and Nazi Fascism.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 07, 2013 05:40 PM (SY2Kh)

373 According to the FBI, far right/Neo Nazi/Nationalist groups committed at least seven murders. Many more have been caught prior to doing so (Military vets arrested for conspiracy to murder Obama, a group of men from Georgia attempting to make Ricin and poison black communities).

It happens. You'd know about it if you'd point your TV and browser to something other than FOX/Breitbart.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:40 PM (YjFg4)

374 Yeah, Robespierre was shot in the face during capture.

"You won't be needing THIS, Robbie!!

***rips bandage off Robespierre's dicksucker****

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 07, 2013 05:40 PM (9eWxa)

375 I was busy today. So when does the revolution start?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 05:41 PM (9Bj8R)

376 "But none of us are so irrational and stupid to worship a profoundly mediocre dilettante named Barack Hussein Obama, as you do."

I imagine 8 years of being on your knees for Bush probably wore you out, huh?

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:41 PM (YjFg4)

377
everything you say is true but what can one do if one doesn't believe one can win?

Good point. That would go back to the individual and the personal lack of conviction, I suppose. Still, I can't understand why "our side" should be so demoralized when we haven't even tried a Message of Realism.

Kissing the Leftards' asses will only get us more of the same. We must set them up as the Other, which is what they really are anyway.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy, who did not vote for this shit. at February 07, 2013 05:41 PM (+z4pE)

378 Pookie jumps in to defend his people.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:41 PM (QupBk)

379
I'll take Ian Kershaw's opinion... anyday.

But you'd prefer his skeet, right?

Posted by: garrett at February 07, 2013 05:41 PM (6OjR8)

380 yeah, Hitler openly admired the KPD and adopted their 'street fighting' tactics, their brown shirts ( they started that fashion trend ) and even the color red as 'revolutionary' in the "National Socialist" armbands and flag


He was a nihilist ( not the Lebowski kind ) rather than a communist, but he admired and copied the Left's tenacity and extremism.

Posted by: ace's cell phone ( still charging ) at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (Dll6b)

381 And then there's the George Tiller murderer.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (YjFg4)

382 People don't change their minds, though. They
really don't. Oh, sure, you'll have some waves, now and again. But in
the main people don't change their minds, and don't want to even have it
suggested they have their minds changed.





Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:24 PM (LCRYB)

Yeah, I guess I was more interested in the concept of all-out war that the dems have waged to much unbelievable success. We laugh at the vagina costumes as contempt-worthy. But I am tired of the game where we get slapped around at every turn, on every issue, by these tactics.
I want to see metaphorical heads roll on the left using the same tactics as divide, demonize, and conquer, take control of the vocabulary, and frame the debate, etc.
If that's what needs to done to win in this political climate - and I think it does - then let's get on with it. But we got some real stinkers in that department. The only other option I can see is getting us to LIB and rebuilding, and I'd not like to go there, regardless of how tired I am of the current situation or how inevitable I think LIB is.


If its the low info voters we have to sway to

Posted by: flounder at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (Kkt/i)

383 Excellent analysis, Ace. Really loving the media-related posts. On this one, I would also take your analysis one step further. And I think it illuminates your assessment even more:The left doesn't really see it as "liberal speech" vs. "conservative speech". It's "normal" vs. "extremism", from the get-go. So you never even get to the logical juncture of how to treat one vs. the other.

Yes Ace, superb analysis.

As for 'liberal v conservative' and 'normal v extremism', the conservative and Republican talking heads should take Ace's advice and confront their questioners on each and every talk show.Are they in it to win or just to talk?

Posted by: Decaf at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (NmvvV)

384
Colorado Democrats want gun manufacturers held liable for crimes committed with their guns

____________

We also want the Ford Motor Company held liable for all automobile accidents involving their product. It's only fair.

General Motors is exempted from liability as a US Government manufacturer, and especially because of their commitment to battery power with the popular Chevrolet Volt.

Posted by: Colorado Democrats at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (ndqJC)

385 Hey JDP,
Suck on this:

As socialists, we are opponents of the Jews, because we see, in the Hebrews, the incarnation of capitalism, of the misuse of the nation’s goods. - Goebbels

The reason for nazi antisemitism is explicitly the opposition to capitalism.

Please keep insisting that the national socialist weren't lefties. Please do so. It makes it easier for the slow ones among us to keep track of you fucking trolls.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (NTBjC)

386 I'll take Shirer's opinion since he was there and watched the Nazi Party evolve.

Piss on that other turd.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (53z96)

387 Jean-Paul Marat sock

Is that you, Sean Bannion?

Posted by: L, elle at February 07, 2013 05:43 PM (0PiQ4)

388 The Nazi's HAD to be something other then socialists, since we were fighting them and helping Stalin. The narrative was as important then as now.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:43 PM (QupBk)

389 And they propose this legislation knowing full well there is a federal statute that forbids it

Posted by: Jones in CO at February 07, 2013 05:25 PM (8sCoq)


What else would you expect from a state that legalized marijuana into their Constitution ... under the guise of helping school funding.

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:43 PM (Qxe/p)

390 >>> 378 Pookie jumps in to defend his people.


Not really. I don't see much difference between the GOP or the Dems. Well, other than the Dems pay empty lip service to minorities. Better than outright bigotry but not by much.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:43 PM (YjFg4)

391 Palooka - from the urban dictionary.




1.A boxer that takes a dive

2. a clumsy person

3. a nosey person

4. used as "asshole"

5. a dumb person


Posted by: fixerupper at February 07, 2013 05:43 PM (nELVU)

392 When it comes time for the whiffs of grapeshot, look me up

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (sTfkB)

393 " I'm assuming they are likewise going after Miller and Bud and Jack Daniels for all alcohol related deaths, right?"

Oh, Mama, watch out. Don't give them ideas.

Posted by: Mindful STILL banned on the desktop at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (ma3QC)

394 'The National Socialists were not Socialists. It's science."


---Christopher Jordan Corner

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (w+Dvf)

395 6. a dunce.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (QupBk)

396 >The Nazi's HAD to be something other then socialists, since we were fighting them and helping Stalin. The narrative was as important then as now.

And when Hitler was voted in he no longer needed his socialist and populist messaging so the Nazi party literally murdered and outlawed their socialist wing.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (YjFg4)

397 Poop thinks he can win an argument on comparing killings and violence. That's like showing up to a knife fight with a q-tip.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (m2CN7)

398 Let's sue Colorado for any and all cases of lead poisoning. I believe most of the lead comes from there.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (PH+2B)

399 I just started to read Shirer's book on the Nazis. It's clear that Hitler was a left-wing nutcase.

Posted by: dantesed at February 07, 2013 05:45 PM (xc6Ak)

400 And when Hitler was voted in he no longer needed his
socialist and populist messaging so the Nazi party literally murdered
and outlawed their socialist wing.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (YjFg4)

Those who are history stupid should not open their mouths and confirm to everyone how stupid they are.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:45 PM (53z96)

401 "The internationalists tried to (and with you, successfully) redefine nationalism as "right wing."

well sure i think nationalism isn't specific to the right. Stalin would be an example, no one's tried to place him on the right.

i do think the tendency to view humanity as an abstract brotherhood vs. believing your country has a certain unique cultural heritage (hence, why the Right is more concerned than the Left in the impact too many unassimilated immigrants has) is a basic left vs. right difference though.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:45 PM (60GaT)

402 national SOCIALIST german WORKERS party


read it and weep, Palooka. Also read Goebbels' diary ( faked but accurate ). He was as Red as they come

Posted by: ace's cell phone ( still charging ) at February 07, 2013 05:46 PM (Dll6b)

403 >394 'The National Socialists were not Socialists. It's science."



The Republicans in Spain were Communists. The Republicans in the USA are Capitalists.

Is this a paradox?

No, and relying on semantics is a fools argument. North Korea isn't more democratic than the USA simply because it has Democratic in the country's name and the USA does not.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:46 PM (YjFg4)

404 We are Socialists, we are enemies of the capitalistic economic system for the exploitation of the economically weak, with its unfair salaries, with its unseemly evaluation of a human being according to wealth and property instead of responsibility and performance and we are all determined to destroy this system under all conditions.


Take a wild fucking guess at who said that, JDippy.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 07, 2013 05:46 PM (NTBjC)

405 What we need is the equivelent of 'The Daily Show'. Someone on TV, showing the idiocy of the left, and going after them.

If Fox had any cojones...

Posted by: HH at February 07, 2013 05:46 PM (XXwdv)

406 Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:38 PM (53z96)

Hitler claimed to have taken the best of the political philosophy from the communists and the far right, but in practice and in rhetoric his was a people's movement, drawing adherents with classic socialist terminology.

I guess people don't read history any more.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:47 PM (GsoHv)

407 Well, I'll take Ian Kershaw's opinion over you two assholes anyday.

Posted by: Waldo Truth at February 07, 2013 05:39 PM (lSaJq)



Ian Kershaw?

Pffft.

Just another leftard limey- with his fascism as a feature of capitalism b.s.

You do better studying Doug Kershaw:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AQvUPN1jAk

Posted by: naturalfake at February 07, 2013 05:47 PM (UgFxe)

408 Nazis were all about redistribution of wealth

Posted by: thunderb at February 07, 2013 05:47 PM (Dnbau)

409 How the hell did we start talking about hitler?

Posted by: Nevergiveup at February 07, 2013 05:47 PM (9Bj8R)

410 318
jeremiah I know that you live in Henderson.



Next time I go to the drip I might detour--over--your house.

Posted by: tasker at February 07, 2013 05:28 PM (r2PLg)

Stop by anytime. I will have Nachos and salsa ready.

Posted by: jeremiah Gosh Darn Amerikkka wright's Sock Puppet at February 07, 2013 05:47 PM (+OTLF)

411 no, Palooka, after Hitler took control the workers went back to the factories and got pay raises plus May 1 as a paid holiday



Posted by: ace's cell phone ( still charging ) at February 07, 2013 05:48 PM (Dll6b)

412 As for 'liberal v conservative' and 'normal v
extremism', the conservative and Republican talking heads should take
Ace's advice and confront their questioners on each and every talk
show.Are they in it to win or just to talk?

Posted by: Decaf at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (NmvvV)

This is exactly it: Acceptance of the premise is where we go wrong. And that happens as soon as the current GOP opens its mouth. Almost universally.

Posted by: hannitys_hybrid at February 07, 2013 05:48 PM (zpqa2)

413 #374

Most accounts I've read indicate it was a botched suicide attempt while the mob was breaking in the door. Trying to deny the crowd the same kind of public spectacle execution he'd made common.

Posted by: epobirs at February 07, 2013 05:48 PM (kcfmt)

414 >>>and Jean-Paul Marat was stabbed to death in his bath tub by Charlotte Corday.

my second favorite death in the revolution.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:48 PM (LCRYB)

415 I guess people don't read history any more.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:47 PM (GsoHv)

And when they do they get it from Wiki or Zinn, who is also a communist.

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (53z96)

416 Nude flaming post.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (QupBk)

417 >well sure i think nationalism isn't specific to the right. Stalin would be an example, no one's tried to place him on the right.

Stalin wasn't a nationalist. He was a Georgian living in Russia and actively put down Georgian Nationalist groups during WWII.


>Those who are history stupid should not open their mouths and confirm to everyone how stupid they are.

Then you shouldn't respond to me if you aren't familiar with the Night of Long Knives.


>Poop thinks he can win an argument on comparing killings and violence. That's like showing up to a knife fight with a q-tip.

I don't "show up" to fights and I also have a concealed carry permit.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (YjFg4)

418 its a natural progression once you talk about disarming the citizenry, redistribution of wealth, and targeted strikes on citizens

Posted by: thunderb at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (Dnbau)

419 398 Let's sue Colorado for any and all cases of lead poisoning. I believe most of the lead comes from there.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at February 07, 2013 05:44 PM (PH+2B)


You're a bit late to that game. http://tinyurl.com/ahwg3hc

Posted by: jwb7605 (Let It Burn) at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (Qxe/p)

420 And when Hitler was voted in he no longer needed his socialist and
populist messaging so the Nazi party literally murdered and outlawed
their socialist wing.

---

Hey dumbshit.

Hitler was NEVER voted in.... he was appointed by von Hindenburg.


Posted by: fixerupper at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (nELVU)

421 We're talking about Hitler because Palooka is upset that all the worst mass murderers in the history of this planet were left-wing.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (w+Dvf)

422 404

i missed the part where i was arguing that the Nazis were economic conservatives

in any case both the anti-Communist and anti-capitalist sides of their rhetoric were just subsets of their anti-Semitism

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (60GaT)

423 Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:45 PM (60GaT)

Hitler used nationalism as a tool to draw more people to the NSDAP.

You are conflating nationalism with right wing politics. There is nothing innately rightist abut nationalism, and in fact the early communists in Russia did the same thing.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:50 PM (GsoHv)

424 Pookie and Jordan have their own militia.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:50 PM (QupBk)

425 >408 Nazis were all about redistribution of wealth


Yeah, from poor minorities to the conservative white elite.

And this is NOT Right Wing?

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:50 PM (YjFg4)

426 "How the hell did we start talking about hitler?"

joeindc was mean

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:50 PM (60GaT)

427 The pendulum is about to reach the limit of its leftward swing and start the return journey, if it hasn't already.

Point of order: Assumption that the structure isn't about to break and the pendulum fly off somewhere.

Posted by: Brother Cavil, Keeper of Ampersands and Breitbart Login Spaces at February 07, 2013 05:50 PM (GBXon)

428 New one

Posted by: Vic at February 07, 2013 05:50 PM (53z96)

429 I have no idea what this thread is doing but here's a real train wreck.

http://tinyurl.com/ajefxop

Fun starts @3:20

Posted by: DaveA at February 07, 2013 05:50 PM (JJdOG)

430 Hitler was NEVER voted in.... he was appointed by von Hindenburg.

Shh. He's rolling.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor at February 07, 2013 05:51 PM (QupBk)

431 but there are a lot of good deaths.

I mean, all the people behind the revolution ultimately get killed, pretty much. There are bad deaths too -- people who wanted freedom (like America) but didn't want to guillotine priests. They got killed early (or fled to Austria or England).

But all the people behind this all get their turn at the guillotine.

I don't know, it's fucking rock-n-roll history.

It's also funny, like when first the more American-style reformers get killed because the Girondists side with the left/the Mountain, and then... of course it's the Girondists turn a year later.

"Gee, I had no idea this would happen!"

And then Robspierre gets it. Another "gee, what did I possibly do to deserve this" moment.

Posted by: ace at February 07, 2013 05:51 PM (LCRYB)

432 well sure i think nationalism isn't specific to the right. Stalin would be an example, no one's tried to place him on the right.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:45 PM (60GaT)


You just pulled the rug out from under your argument. The Soviets were largely behind the "internationalist men as a giant brotherhood" wing of socialism, and the split from the Nazis, the "nationalist" wing of socialism.

You have to redefine "right and left" into things they don't traditionally represent to call socialists right-wingers.

Again, American English. Europe doesn't have a "right wing" *in the same sense* that America does.

"right and left" are hopelessly muddled in Europe, they should drop those terms, they're both authoritarians with a mildly differing wishlist.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 07, 2013 05:51 PM (bxiXv)

433 I hate to say it but one of ace's big criticism of Palin was her insistence to confront every lie, halftruth or mischaracterizationsaid about her. It was also one of my criticisms. I have changed my mind. Ace have you changed yours?

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 05:52 PM (m2CN7)

434 "Yeah, from poor minorities to the conservative white elite.



And this is NOT Right Wing?"

lol can't tell if joking

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:52 PM (60GaT)

435 Hitler was white ergo right wing.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:52 PM (w+Dvf)

436 >There is nothing innately rightist abut nationalism, and in fact the early communists in Russia did the same thing.


Which early Communists?

Lenin was adamantly opposed to national and ethnic boundaries. He was as internationalist as they come (Hence why there was a massive split between the Leninists and Stalin over Stalin's 'Socialism in one Country'"

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:52 PM (YjFg4)

437 Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (60GaT)

Wrong.

Anti-communism stood alone as one of the pillars of National Socialism, which is quite a trick, considering that Hitler himself said that he drew much of his political philosophy from communist doctrine.

Anti-Semitism was another tenet of National Socialism, but was couched in populist terms until the Nazi's consolidated power.

Dude...read some history.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:53 PM (GsoHv)

438 431, in the end - control the cannons

Posted by: Jean at February 07, 2013 05:54 PM (uRbX6)

439 "You just pulled the rug out from under your argument. The Soviets were
largely behind the "internationalist men as a giant brotherhood" wing of
socialism, and the split from the Nazis, the "nationalist" wing of
socialism."

i'm not sure what exactly you're referring to. there was a Stalin-Trotsky split between more nationalist and "world revolution" types, sure, and yes both factions were socialist. the Nazi-Soviet pact was more a case of twin totalitarianisms conspiring to screw a country over for their own benefit, not an ideological alliance.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:55 PM (60GaT)

440 I don't "show up" to fights and I also have a concealed carry permit.
Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (YjFg4)

I didn't think they issued CCWs to the mentally retarded.

Posted by: polynikes at February 07, 2013 05:55 PM (m2CN7)

441 >Hitler himself said that he drew much of his political philosophy from communist doctrine.

I thought he drew his philosophy from the Italians mainly and picked up a few things from Stalin?

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:55 PM (YjFg4)

442 If its the low info voters we have to sway to


Posted by: flounder at February 07, 2013 05:42 PM (Kkt/i)
get our conservative political objectives in place, then it's prudent to use all the tools that the left uses to get there.

Posted by: flounder at February 07, 2013 05:55 PM (Kkt/i)

443 I ask because I want to say I remember reading Mussolini cracking jokes at how much a ripoff Hitler was.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:56 PM (YjFg4)

444 >I didn't think they issued CCWs to the mentally retarded.


I'm in Mississippi. 99% of the state population has one, figured I'd get one too.

(Being a good Leninist, I fully support the second amendment)

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:56 PM (YjFg4)

445 Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:45 PM (60GaT)

Hitler used nationalism as a tool to draw more people to the NSDAP.

and you're not patriotic if you don't like Obamacare - Biden
hell see all the nationalist flag waving during this progressive push?

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2013 05:58 PM (nqBYe)

446 Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:52 PM (YjFg4)

100% correct that his political philosophy was "internationalist," but he and others were not above using pride in mother Russia to manipulate potential members.

Was it a split, or was it a natural progression to Stalin and away from Lenin (who was sick and weak)?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:58 PM (GsoHv)

447 i'm not sure what exactly you're referring to.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 05:55 PM (60GaT)


I am sure that is true. But you are very *certain* about what it is that you don't know what it is.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at February 07, 2013 05:58 PM (bxiXv)

448
Anti-communism stood alone as one of the pillars of National Socialism, which is quite a trick, considering that Hitler himself said that he drew much of his political philosophy from communist doctrine.

Anti-Semitism was another tenet of National Socialism, but was couched in populist terms until the Nazi's consolidated power.


Hitler's anti-Semitism and his anti-communism were linked, in a chicken or egg sense. He hated Jews inter alia because they were so heavily involved inthe communist movement, and he hated communism because it was so intimately tied with Jews.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at February 07, 2013 05:58 PM (IDSI7)

449 Oh, also the involvement of Jews in international finance and the stock market, which Hitler railed about at length in Mein Kampf.

Posted by: Bill Ayers at February 07, 2013 05:59 PM (IDSI7)

450 Damn sock.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 07, 2013 05:59 PM (IDSI7)

451 yay the kids are here, bl

Posted by: willow at February 07, 2013 06:00 PM (nqBYe)

452 The game is afoot y'all. Undercut the economy, take away people's hope. Break down the rule of law. Stir up race and class envy. Promote a villain, or an "other". This is an explosive mix that I think was created purposefully. Now all that is needed is a spark. Might be this guy in L.A. Might be a flash mob in East St. Louis. The left wants this to "go hot" and don't care who provides the spark. Take steps to protect yourselves and your families, for this could get very ugly.

Posted by: Seamus Muldoon at February 07, 2013 06:00 PM (qqZuQ)

453 I guess Stalin wasn't a leftist either, just misunderstood.

Posted by: Dr Spank at February 07, 2013 06:00 PM (w+Dvf)

454 Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:55 PM (YjFg4)

There is a book of his speeches that includes an interview with him where he said exactly that. But I have no idea what the title is.

Google....Google....be kind to me....

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 06:00 PM (GsoHv)

455 276
We got the Louisiana Purchase out of the deal, so there's that.

Posted by: toby928© Person of Pallor

See, that is exactly what I'm worried about with our debt; when it all implodes how far will the US have to go to raise capital and fast? Selling off actual land is not off the table. I volunteer selling off all the west coast, they deserve it, but we set up a fund to help all the needy morons relocate.

Posted by: LizLem at February 07, 2013 06:01 PM (8wqqE)

456 re: "Lenin was adamantly opposed to national and ethnic boundaries."

No. He supported any nationalism, ethic division, racism, etc. that he found useful--and therefore could describe as the nascent/leadership-needing proto-revolution of an oppressed class. That's why, e.g., when black people hate the Jews and fags--which they very intensely do--it doesn't count. THAT'S LENIN'S IDEA, MADE OF SHIT HE OPENLY ESPOUSED.

FUCK

re: "if you can't see the difference between defining a nation in extremely ethnically particular terms, to the point where people who don't fit that definition are subhuman, and the Marxist definition of people in terms of class, i dunno what to tell you"

If you can't see that in the mouths of politicians the rhetorics of "nation" and of "class"--hijacked from philosophy--are superficialities, hollow jingles that sell the same tyranny to different audiences, means of swaying among constraints specific to the populations being addressed...I dunno either.

If you want a European to do your bidding, you tell him he's doing it against the Jews. That's not ideological. It's how you do it. The European is, with or without you. You go get him where he lives.

FUCK

Posted by: oblig. at February 07, 2013 06:03 PM (cePv8)

457 >Hitler's anti-Semitism and his anti-communism were linked, in a chicken or egg sense. He hated Jews inter alia because they were so heavily involved inthe communist movement, and he hated communism because it was so intimately tied with Jews.

Ill see if I can find a source, but IIRC, Hitler disdained both Western style Capitalism AND Communism because he saw both as "Jewish plots".

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 06:05 PM (YjFg4)

458 447

i'm missing the part in history where they ever cooperated and one "split off," besides the brief Soviet tactical alliance.

456

you don't think these people believed their own ideology, insane as it was?

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 06:07 PM (60GaT)

459 Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 05:55 PM (YjFg4)

The Essential Hitler: Speeches and Commentary
Adolf Hitler, Max Domarus.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 06:07 PM (GsoHv)

460
The Nazis were characterized as "right wing facists" by the Soviet Communists. That is their continuing contribution to the adulteration of thought and language in this country.

Initially, they were allies, the Ribbentrop- Molotov non-aggression pact. Which was the plan to divide up Eastern Europe between Stalin and Hitler.

Hitler always saw the Soviet Bolsheviks as his ultimate enemy, while the Soviets, right up until the Germans came over the border in 1941, saw Great Britain as the "#1 Adversary" (from writings about the NKVD).

Hitler himself said that if you scratch a Bolshevik, there was a Brown Shirt underneath, and if you scratch a Brown Shirt, there was a Bolshevik underneath. He knew that there was precious little difference to the ground level thugs in both movements. He was bent on racial nationalism, on suppressing (mirdering)the "untermensch" - Jews, Gypsies, Homosexuals, Russians, and a host of millions that were 'undersirable'.

Stalin was bent on killing people on economic and class war issues, such as anyone who could not be bent to the will of the Proletariat, or their vanguard, the Communist Party.

Later revisionism by the Soviets and their propagandists here in the US and abroad, made the distinction without a difference. How many movies have you seen with portrayals of the 'Nazis'? And in almost every one, there is still a touch of the Soviet propaganda making them 'right -wing facists'.

Both evil beyond belief, and their ideas are still kicking around in our own government and academia today. Left and Right are frequently used, but are false paradigms to describe what they really were.
Facism is the bundling of power in the name of the state, and has been around since Roman times, although the 20th century put a distinct twist on the meaning (assigned by the Left) to be used as a tool to attack the Conservative/Right. Many German "conservatives" were seduced into National Socialism out of patriotism and allegianceto "blood and soil", and were too foolish andlate in discerning that Hitler meant what he wrote in Mein Kampf.
Red Facism (Soviet-Bolshevik communism)- killing in the name of economic and class war distinctioins

Black Facism (German National Socialism) - killing in the name of racial identity

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at February 07, 2013 06:08 PM (RFeQD)

461 >453 I guess Stalin wasn't a leftist either, just misunderstood.


Stalin occupies an interesting point in space, and I think many of the criticisms thrown at Lenin were actually caused by him. He was notorious for having a very liquid POV. Specifically, he was adamantly against Trotsky and Trotsky's "Left" organizational theories but then firmly put many of them into use once he gained complete power. Gulag, hierarchical militant organization, etc.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 06:08 PM (YjFg4)

462 "The Nazis were characterized as "right wing facists" by the Soviet
Communists. That is their continuing contribution to the adulteration of
thought and language in this country."

well the Soviets helped corrupt the term "fascist" by labeling anyone to the right of Lenin (including the German Social Democratic Party who the Communists refused to join a coalition govt. with) as "social fascists." obviously the Left's run with that general idea for a while

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 06:15 PM (60GaT)

463 Remember, long long ago, when we worried about the media encouraging these sorts of rampages by promoting the culprits?

I guess we're not worried about that anymore, because CNN et al. are giving this guy the fame he always wanted. Anderson Cooper is bragging the killer sent him a package and using it to plug his show tonight. https://twitter.com/AC360/status/299652258944139264 If someone were on the brink of a rampage and knew that sending Anderson Cooper a package and going on a shooting spree would get his name in lights, wouldn't that be enough to push him over? Nobody would care if this guy wrote a blog, but now that he's written murderer's manifesto, everyone's drooling over it. Isn't the media fanning the flames of the next conflagration?

Posted by: C.T. at February 07, 2013 06:16 PM (E4Pc6)

464 >Was it a split, or was it a natural progression to Stalin and away from Lenin (who was sick and weak)?


Hard to say, but I lean towards "natural progression". Lenin knew what Trotsky and Stalin would do to the party and in Lenin's Last Testament specifically advocated their removal. Lenin's wife and a few Party members pushed it, but most Party members were accessory to it's less impactful dissemination.

Lenin's writings at the time of his death were a return back to his rally for non violence, full suffrage, and emancipation of women and minorities. The Civil War was over, the Soviets won, Red Terror should be retired.

To a degree between Lenin's death, the Troika, and eventually Stalin's ascent the USSR was seeing peace, stability, and good health. Collectivization and Stalin's Cultural Revolution brought back terror for the peasant class and then another lull until about 1937 when the Purges brought it to the upper echelons of the Military and the Party (and untold many innocents).

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 06:16 PM (YjFg4)

465
Lenin believed in "The worldwide socialist revolution", while Stalin believed in "socialism in one country".

Stalin was determined to make Soviet socialism work no matter what the cost. The planned starvations, killing of the Kulaks in the Ukraine, the liquidation of the uncontrollable Bolsheviks that did not fit into his plans for ruling.

Stalin wanted to expand the sphere of Soviet Russia, but he was too incompetent and could not allow any military officers to rise in the ranks and be competent (until the necessity of WWII, and then afterward- look what happened to Georgy Zhukov). Stalin was always ruled by his paranoia, the fear of him being killed by his adversaries (project much, Joe?).

What they all believed in was killing any threat of counter-revolution, so everything had to be "in the State". That is the general trend of most governments in history, and the trend we are seeing now in these last days of the Republic. Left and Right have really little meaning besides the cultural attachements people have to them, and how within a political culture of one country there is some context to "left and right". The meaning was originally found in the seating of the Deputies in the French Republic. It's like this stupid "red" and "blue" state thing we have gotten stuck in from the 2000 election.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at February 07, 2013 06:19 PM (RFeQD)

466 yeah Lenin sure was a swell guy.

teh f

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 06:21 PM (60GaT)

467 >well the Soviets helped corrupt the term "fascist" by labeling anyone to the right of Lenin (including the German Social Democratic Party who the Communists refused to join a coalition govt. with) as "social fascists." obviously the Left's run with that general idea for a while


It's rooted in the theory that capitalist societies will come to a splitting point in Crises of Capitalism and large blocs will either join with Socialist parties or attempt to hang on to and protect their "privilege" by adopting Fascism, which itself adopts some tenants of Socialism but retains the Capitalist mode of production and it's social classes.

The Russians saw the roots of this in the Social Democrats in Tsarist Russia and the German KPD was betrayed by the German Social Democratic Party during the Spartacist Uprising.




An easy way to distinguish the two can be summed up:

Communism/Socialism is the (often violent) abolishment of class.

Welfarism/Fascism is the (often violent) enforcement and regulation of class boundaries to benefit the or create a perceived "middle class".

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 06:24 PM (YjFg4)

468
Lenin's writings were full of "and this person should be shot".

Lenin is only remembered at all well (and a hero in Soviet Russia) because he never lived long enough to carry out all the killings that "needed to be done".

And Feliks Dzherinsky (Iron Feliks) was put in charge of the Big Lubyanka and the nascent NKVD by Lenin, and Feliks did plenty of killin' at the behest of Lenin.

Lenin, Vladimir Ulyanev, whatever, would have been a stone-cold killer as much as Stalin was, because that was the only way the Soviet communism could be compelled upon the people of that tragic country.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes..... at February 07, 2013 06:26 PM (RFeQD)

469 I guess people don't read history any more.
Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo at February 07, 2013 05:47 PM (GsoHv)


They only read the history written by the commie left that doesn't want anyone to know how close their ideology is to the nazis.

Posted by: buzzion at February 07, 2013 06:26 PM (GULKT)

470 > Left and Right have really little meaning besides the cultural attachements people have to them, and how within a political culture of one country there is some context to "left and right"


This. Outside of "how to get there" most decent people on the Right and Left ultimately want a good life for them and their family with minimum intrusion.



>466 yeah Lenin sure was a swell guy.

I didn't know him personally but up until 1917 he was all about emancipation, non violence, and the like.

I'm not as hard on his writings during the Civil War because Civil Wars are usually pretty damn bloody and disgusting in regards to everyone involved.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 06:29 PM (YjFg4)

471 >Lenin, Vladimir Ulyanev, whatever, would have been a stone-cold killer as much as Stalin was, because that was the only way the Soviet communism could be compelled upon the people of that tragic country.


There is 60 years of his writing that is completely and utterly devoid of violence. His violent material was written during the civil war and concerned with winning it. His material written just before he died was a return to his earlier form _because the Civil War was winding down_. It was Trotsky that advocated the militarization of the populace and was at odds with Stalin and Lenin over it. Until Lenin died, then Stalin removed Trotsky and adopted the plan wholesale.

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 06:31 PM (YjFg4)

472 when a Communist says they're about "nonviolence," they usually mean "there will be peace when certain conditions are met."

and we know what those "certain conditions" are.

Posted by: JDP at February 07, 2013 06:31 PM (60GaT)

473 The main difference between the Nazi death cult and the various Communist death cults is that the Nazis had much cooler uniforms.


Goebbels said he got his propaganda ideas - particularly the Big Lie - from the American Progressive movement.


Posted by: An Observation at February 07, 2013 06:32 PM (ylhEn)

474 >472 when a Communist says they're about "nonviolence," they usually mean "there will be peace when certain conditions are met."
and we know what those "certain conditions" are.


Sure, but isn't that the same for most folks? Lenin believed that The Right and Capitalists will employ violence to stop the eroding of their power and that this will be the fuzz that lights the Revolution.

Lenin dropped his associations with Social Democrats BECAUSE of their support for "individual terrorism". Lenin felt that individual terrorism did not promote socialist parties at all. (The Police Chief can be replaced by someone who wants his paycheck. The Bank can be rebuilt with public money. Etc)

Posted by: Palooka at February 07, 2013 06:36 PM (YjFg4)

475 Magnificent rant. Well said.

Posted by: Jypsea Rose is @AmericanGypsea at February 07, 2013 06:44 PM (dDQqO)

476 His violent material was written during the civil war and concerned
with winning it. His material written just before he died was a return
to his earlier form _because the Civil War was winding down_.

Most of Ted Bundy's writings weren't about violence either, and John Wayne Gacy painted happy pictures of Clowns.

Defending a person who oversaw the deaths of millions by saying his writings were only violent when he was being violent is about as lame a comment as I believe I have ever read.


Posted by: An Observation at February 07, 2013 06:47 PM (ylhEn)

477 Wait... you are saying the media is a little biased???

Posted by: Low Info Voter at February 07, 2013 06:52 PM (4oM/q)

478 Hitler = murderer

Bush = Hitler

Palin = Bush

The Krazy Killer Kop = murderer

Hence...the killer is a Republican.

Logic,

Where is my MATH wrong, reason-haters?

Posted by: Low Info Voter at February 07, 2013 06:58 PM (4oM/q)

479 Communism/Socialism is the (often violent) abolishment of class.


LOL.

Yeah, those Communists are all about equality - except of course for the privileged class of those who are more equal than others. Have you ever even read Animal Farm?

Palooka are you familiar with the whole concept of beclowning oneself? You seem to have truly mastered it.


Posted by: An Observation at February 07, 2013 07:06 PM (ylhEn)

480 Welfarism/Fascism is the (often violent) enforcement and regulation of
class boundaries to benefit the or create a perceived "middle class".

WTF?

Sir you have truly mastered the art of gibberish.

Yes, those Nazis were all about the middle class - just like Obama is all about the middle class.

Posted by: An Observation at February 07, 2013 07:13 PM (ylhEn)

481 418 its a natural progression once you talk about disarming the citizenry, redistribution of wealth, and targeted strikes on citizens
Posted by: thunderb at February 07, 2013 05:49 PM (Dnbau)


Amazing! That was the exact agenda of the afternoon cabinet meeting.

Posted by: President For Life Obama at February 07, 2013 08:07 PM (AxE3L)

482 Don't forget about that newspaper printing the names of gun owners esp of law enforcement!

Posted by: vinny at February 07, 2013 10:39 PM (72kyH)

483 "No one ever died from reading Der Sturmer ...but the culture it served caused 6 million Jews to drop dead" - George Will

Posted by: Fen at February 07, 2013 11:22 PM (Rpqfq)

484 THANK YOU for the moral clarity...*particularly* in contrast to the relativistic garbage put out recently by Allahpundit over at HotGas...whereby he EQUATED the "legally-admitted-by-the-defendant/criminal SPLC/FRC violence" motivator with the fully invented out of Leftist destruction the "blame-Palin-for-Loughner-on-Giffords" act.

"Our side" has fellow travellers who must be exposed as such as well.

Posted by: Ed Wallis at February 08, 2013 02:37 AM (LqSPf)

485 >Defending a person who oversaw the deaths of millions by saying his writings were only violent when he was being violent is about as lame a comment as I believe I have ever read.


Is Lincoln a mass murderer because Sherman's March to the Sea happened under his command?



>Yes, those Nazis were all about the middle class


There was a healthy, white, German middle class specifically due to the Nazi's economic policies. It was their entire ideology to prop up the German people as an economic and cultural elite.

Posted by: palooka at February 08, 2013 10:26 AM (aNlIg)

486 Ace, for the record, Napoleon's troops wore cylindrical leather hats called shakos. The shako provided modest protection to the head from sword cuts and rain, plus you could keep a comb and knick knacks in the inner brim. The kepis came later from Algeria and were immortalized in the Foreign Legion (Legion Etranger) and our western film with John Wayne and Henry Fonda, Fort Apache. If it is any consolation, the shakos had a stamped plate of an eagle on the front above the visor, with the regimental number under it and the troops irreverently called the eagle the cuckcoo.

Posted by: WestCoastRich at February 09, 2013 08:07 AM (Cah2C)






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