Overnight Open Thread (8-6-2012)

RIP Sir John Keegan, and Gore Vidal Not So Much

Both were writers - John Keegan was the preeminent military historian of the last few decades and Gore Vidal was a well known historical novelist/commentator but probably best known these days for Bill Buckley's threat to sock him at the 1968 Democratic convention.

Victor Davis Hanson actually knew both and confirms what you'd expect - Sir Keegan was a great man and Vidal was a nasty jerk.

The night before the lecture (in an unusual fashion for this lecture) we had driven with Vidal three miles into Selma to my aunt's house (she taught English at Reedley College) for dinner. After the desert, he "shocked" us by declaring that masturbation was the sex act of choice, and then referred nonchalantly to his male friends. I noted one other thing about the evening. Vidal kept trying to namedrop literary tidbits; but my aunt, the JC English teacher, was of the old school (English literature BA, MA Stanford, where she had mastered the canon of Anglo-American classics) and had memorized verbatim many of Shakespeare's plays and much of Chaucer and could quote by memory  pages of Milton.

Each time Vidal would say something like "I think it was so-and-so who once said of so-and-so," my aunt would smile and say something polite like "yes, it was" or "perhaps it was not." By the end of dinner, he grew more and more sullen with us rubes who were not playing our unenlightened parts.

And on how Keegan single-handedly changed the path of Hanson's life:

In 1983 a small Italian academic press published my doctoral thesis Warfare and Agriculture in Classical Greece (in elegant but cumbersome folios with the pages uncut) - to zero readership. By that time I had finished graduate school and abandoned a stillborn academic career. I liked farming full-time and had no plans to reenter academia or write again. But when the publisher wrote from Pisa and said I could send 10 free copies to journals, I instead sort of randomly picked the names of ten well-known military historians.

None ever wrote back - except one John Keegan, at the pinnacle of his post-Face of Battle success. A postcard in elegant ink arrived to the farm, with something like "Dear Dr. Hanson. Accept my gratitude for the publisher's copy of your engaging thesis. Are there plans for more of the same?"

In those dark days (raisins had just crashed from $1400 to $400 a ton, and we were trying to figure out how to repay a $150,000 crop loan shortfall accruing at 15% interest), that brief note seemed to make all the difference in the world. At night after tractor driving, I suddenly started to write what would become The Western Way of War, coming in about 6 p.m.  from hours on the tractor and littering the floor with Greek texts. In my newfound confidence (remember, authors, what a single act of kindness can do for others), I began applying for jobs at local JCs and California State University, Fresno.

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Moar Olympics Stuff:

How To Appeal at the Olympic Games

Okay this looks bad but apparently you have pay a filing fee of $500 in cash on the spot. This is supposed to cut down on the number of frivolous appeals.

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4 Times Olympians Refused Their Medals

Including the 1972 US men's basketball team who refused their silver medal over judge chicanery during their game against the Soviet team.

After their protest was dismissed, the Americans decided to boycott the awards ceremony and refuse their silver medals. The 12 members of the U.S. team have received numerous invitations to accept their medals since then, but they have always declined, and the awards remain in a vault in Lausanne, Switzerland. U.S. team captain Kenny Davis and teammate Tom Henderson have provisions in their wills that none of their descendants ever accept a silver medal from the 1972 Games. 

5 Olympians Who Sold Their Gold Medals

One did it because he needed the money for medical treatments and the rest were for charity.

How It Looks When You Throw a Badminton Match

Because it's now round robin instead of single elimination both teams were trying to throw the match to get more favorable match-ups. Who knew you'd get to see such excellence in bad-badminton in the Olympics.

Zombie Goes Exploring Deepest, Darkest Berkeley

The 'Metal Shop' theater story is a kinda sad but probably not confined to Bezerkey.

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C'est Chick or how Matt Labash loves him some hatechicken

Last week, at the beach with my family, I deliberately ignored all newspapers. Not for the reason most people do-because print is dead. But because whenever I'm surrounded by salt -water, steamed crabs, and even mediocre fishing, I tend to hold that true happiness is having no idea what chronically bothered people are talking about.

It never lasts. Civil war has a way of puncturing happiness bubbles. No, not the atrocities in Syria. I'm talking much hairier than your run-of-the-mill massacre: I'm talking about the Chick-fil-Gay wars.
For three decades now, Chick-fil-A has been my only appointment fast-food stop. I go there when hungry, and even when not. Always cleaner than the inside of a Clorox bottle, the restaurants are run with warmth and efficiency, and are ruthlessly dedicated to customer satisfaction-the best quick-service franchise in America. (Faltering Mayor Gray might want to spend less time denouncing Chick-fil-A, more time taking managerial notes.) At most chains, you're just happy if they keep the rodent parts out of the condiments. But Chick-fil-A has gone so far as to use chipper seniors as greeters. Sunny septuagenarians now inquire if you need a free refill, or offer to retrieve napkins. They're so helpful that I've kidnapped a few, taking them home to do yard work and light grandparenting.

5 Things You Need To Know About Bobak Ferdowsi, AKA NASA's "Mohawk Guy"

He's the Flight Director on the Mars Science Laboratory Curiosity mission and just like Gene Kranz used to wear a new vest every mission, he sports a new hair style.

1. He cuts his hair differently for every mission. Apparently the mohawk with colorful stars was designed specifically for the Curiosity, and chosen by a Mission Control vote due to the fact that it was both cosmic and patriotic.

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Taylor Swift Is Dating a Kennedy-What Could Go Wrong?

Gather all of your things and RUN AWAY - get the Hell out of the Kennedy's reach. Do it before they embrace you and subject you to the soul-crushing experience dozens of women before you have endured.

Yep - the best case scenario is that her life is just ruined for a few years.

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Levi Johnston Wants Full Custody of Tripp Palin

Because he thinks she's an unfit mother based on her reality TV show:

Now, Levi's had enough -- telling TMZ, he's been watching the show and is "disgusted" by his son's language and behavior. Levi says his son is on a "downward spiral" and getting "no real parenting."

Levi tells us, Tripp "deserves a better family" than what Bristol and the rest of the Palins are providing -- adding, "I love my son more than anything ... and I will do whatever it takes to make sure he is raised the right way."

Meanwhile Levi is broke and knocked up another woman. Hunting accident with life insurance faster please.

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Octomom Is Officially A Whore

Well if you've got enough for an Olympic appeal, you can afford the Octomom experience.

After stripping and fundraising didn't help, Nadya Suleman has done the only thing she could think of when it came to saving her house: she's selling herself for money.

Octomom has placed a dating profile on the website WhatsYourPrice.com, a website where people will go out with you, if you have the right amount of money.

She states the obvious: that she has 14 kids, loves to laugh and works out often. And says that if you have $500, you can get to know her personally.

I think she'd get more takers if for an additional $100, she would agree to not talk at all. Her voice is an instant antidote to Viagra.

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The Yahoo AoSHQ group. Bla bla bla.

And don't forget about the Job Bank.

And my twitter thang.

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Comments

1 Kitteh luvs ONT

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:20 PM (Y7XKa)

2 I feel sorry for Tripp. Neither parent is much to write home about.

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:22 PM (5H6zj)

3 Teh Kennedys are worse than the Cartwrights for using up women.

(must be old enough to remember Bonanza to understand)

Posted by: huerfano at August 06, 2012 10:23 PM (bAGA/)

4 Levi tells us, Tripp "deserves a better family" than what Bristol and the rest of the Palins are providing -- adding, "I love my son more than anything ... and I will do whatever it takes to make sure he is raised the right way."

I'm sure being around Kathy Griffin will be a wholesome experience.

Memo to Levi .. Bristol can afford much better lawyers

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:25 PM (Y7XKa)

5 There's a fire in the Chevron refinery in San Jose, they posted pictures taken from Oakland. It's on twitter breaking news.

Posted by: , at August 06, 2012 10:25 PM (oZfic)

6 If only WFB had[/v] socked Vidal...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nYymnxoQnf8

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2012 10:26 PM (sZTYJ)

7 I have delusions of adequacy.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 06, 2012 10:26 PM (jucos)

8 Hello?

ECHO...

...echo

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:28 PM (5H6zj)

9 Curiosity took pictures of its own descent and NASA is going to assemble them into a movie.

A partial one is available for viewing now.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:28 PM (5JwLu)

10 So, the Wisconsin shooter was a socialist. No surprise.

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 06, 2012 10:29 PM (BVkEs)

11 I miss Gore Vidal so much I could eat dinner and take a nap.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:30 PM (5JwLu)

12 10
So, the Wisconsin shooter was a socialist. No surprise.

*** worse, he wants to nationalize socialism

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 06, 2012 10:30 PM (61yvg)

13 You realize of course that the "Moon Landing Troofers" are going to use that as proof that the Curiosity landing was filmed on a sound stage.

"Who was taking the film, HMMMMM ?????"

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:31 PM (Y7XKa)

14 F**k you nbc.........I watched over a half hour of beach volleyball to see the USA men lose? WTF?

Posted by: westminsterdogshow at August 06, 2012 10:31 PM (W3UHW)

15 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at August 06, 2012 10:31 PM (JMmQ9)

16 So, the Wisconsin shooter was a socialist. No surprise.

*** worse, he wants to nationalize socialism
Posted by: Lemmiwinks at August 06, 2012 10:30 PM (61yvg)

That's just crazy talk.

Nobody would ever try to do that.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:31 PM (5JwLu)

17 New cooking thread!

Posted by: Cicero Kid at August 06, 2012 10:32 PM (HaUJF)

18 Huh. Taki at TakiMag gave a eulogy to Vidal that read a lot different:
http://takimag.com/article/gore_vidal_pleased_to_leave_you_taki

Mind you, Taki is kind of a jerk himself.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 10:32 PM (QTHTd)

19 You realize of course that the "Moon Landing Troofers" are going to use that as proof that the Curiosity landing was filmed on a sound stage.

"Who was taking the film, HMMMMM ?????"

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:31 PM (Y7XKa)

You can clearly hear Christian Bale yelling at somebody in the background.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:32 PM (5JwLu)

20 No surprise that Vidal was a crashing bore. I've read that a lot of the Beautiful People had nothing to talk about except for themselves and the celebrities they knew

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:32 PM (Y7XKa)

21 Any chance VDH will be the VP pick? Please?


Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 06, 2012 10:33 PM (HpT9p)

22 Taylor Swift should date me, but if we married she'd be Taylor Taylor and that's just bad.

And Gore Vidal was a nasty man who hated Christians, hated conservatives, and believed every crazed leftist conspiracy that ever came down the pike.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 10:33 PM (r4wIV)

23 There once was a time when the Feds were respected, but now they are just political thugs doing the bidding of dear leader.

What once was respect is now only fear and contempt

Posted by: Dodging bullets in Chicago at August 06, 2012 10:34 PM (WqcDi)

24 Oh, and some time I need to take video / photos of what I see here in Boulder County. I reckon I could give the undead one a run for her money.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 10:34 PM (QTHTd)

25 I miss Gore Vidal so much I could go out for ice cream and enjoy a sunny day in the park.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:34 PM (5JwLu)

26 Curiosity took pictures of its own descent and NASA is going to assemble them into a movie.

It should really help with the whole Muslim outreach thing.

I just wonder how much time will be spent analyzing Obama's decision to go forward with Curiosity. Obviously, it was a bold decision that only he could have made.

Posted by: MacGruber at August 06, 2012 10:34 PM (gUDfN)

27 A journey into Berkeley is to enter a culture so bizarre that it should be a National Geographic documentary

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:34 PM (Y7XKa)

28 $500 for a date with Octomom? Will she at least bring a good looking friend?

Posted by: Cicero at August 06, 2012 10:35 PM (zMouK)

29 F**k John Keegan is gone.....

Salute


glad to see you kicking Maet

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 10:35 PM (LRFds)

30 Disappointed to miss the fennel and mandolin discussions on the last thread.

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:35 PM (5H6zj)

31 $500 for OctoMom? That'll barely cover the babysitting bill for the evening.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2012 10:35 PM (BAS5M)

32 And as the sun sets over Rancho Malario, we bid a fond farewell to the Trail of Tears Golf Course, and ....

That's when I woke up.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...Free Miss Marple! at August 06, 2012 10:36 PM (sJTmU)

33 Anyone see the new Sailor Jerry rum commercial? The song is "Where Eagles Dare" by The Misfits. I don't know whether to raise my fist and cheer or stab myself in the neck with a pencil.

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 06, 2012 10:36 PM (HpT9p)

34
>>$500 for a date with Octomom?

That comes with valet parking, though.

Posted by: garrett at August 06, 2012 10:36 PM (I27d2)

35 A journey into Berkeley is to enter a culture so bizarre that it should be a National Geographic documentary

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:34 PM (Y7XKa)
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Even my hyper liberal cousin calls it Bezerkley

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 06, 2012 10:36 PM (jucos)

36 $500 for OctoMom? That'll barely cover the babysitting bill for the evening.

I think she does the possum thing and carries them all stuck to her back.

Posted by: Cicero at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (zMouK)

37 Vidal wrote about "the beauty of the Twin towers crashing down"

He can hang out with his buddy Ted Kennedy now

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (Y7XKa)

38 Levi and Octomom, some assembly required.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (5JwLu)

39
Anyone see the new Sailor Jerry rum commercial? The song is "Where Eagles Dare" by The Misfits. I don't know whether to raise my fist and cheer or stab myself in the neck with a pencil.

I had a similar reaction to that.

Posted by: garrett at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (I27d2)

40 No more Keegan and more Kagan...

Posted by: KZnextzone at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (UXEgP)

41 Dr. Hanson had such a beautiful deconstruction of Gore Vidal.

And Taylor what are you thinking? Run from the Kennedy Compound Orgy before they lobotomize you or get you hooked on drugs because your Kennedy man is banging the nanny for some Ragu sauce.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (HlJeY)

42 That comes with valet parking, though.

Probably a good idea. I've heard car keys get lost.

Posted by: Cicero at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (zMouK)

43
Check the pics in the Zombie story and tell me who the computer dude resembles.

An astonishing likeness.

Posted by: irongrampa at August 06, 2012 10:38 PM (SAMxH)

44 33
Anyone see the new Sailor Jerry rum commercial? The song is "Where
Eagles Dare" by The Misfits. I don't know whether to raise my fist and
cheer or stab myself in the neck with a pencil.


Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 06, 2012 10:36 PM

Oh man, don't tell me mom invited another "uncle" over

Posted by: Chubby kid in Ragu ad at August 06, 2012 10:38 PM (Y7XKa)

45 >>I think she does the possum thing and carries them all stuck to her back.<<

Those kids will need a lot of Ragu.

Posted by: MacGruber at August 06, 2012 10:38 PM (gUDfN)

46 18 Huh. Taki at TakiMag gave a eulogy to Vidal that read a lot different:
http://takimag.com/article/gore_vidal_pleased_to_leave_you_taki

Mind you, Taki is kind of a jerk himself.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 10:32 PM (QTHTd)


Well Taki is occasionally entertaining in a what-are-aristocratic-paleo-cons-thinking kind of way but I wouldn't put much weight at all on his judgment.

Posted by: Mætenloch at August 06, 2012 10:38 PM (pAlYe)

47 That comes with valet parking, though.

Probably a good idea. I've heard car keys get lost.
Posted by: Cicero at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (zMouK)
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Don't forget your miners helmet.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at August 06, 2012 10:39 PM (jucos)

48
Could not stand Vidal, his snobbery and disdain for all that is America. I agree with VDH that I could never finish one of his books. They were a labor of labor.
Sorry that Bristol is doing this reality show. How much abuse do you want to take and it doesn't do her any favors except for cash. She was doing much better in a campaign to advise teenagers on not getting pregnant.

Posted by: Cheri at August 06, 2012 10:39 PM (EAgmr)

49 Anyone see the new Sailor Jerry rum commercial? The song is "Where Eagles Dare" by The Misfits. I don't know whether to raise my fist and cheer or stab myself in the neck with a pencil.

I had a similar reaction to that.

Posted by: garrett at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (I27d2)


All is not lost until they start using some Gwar song in their commercials...

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2012 10:39 PM (sZTYJ)

50 Never leave your Barbie doll alone with your Levi Johnston action figure.

And don't count on Ken to do any good.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:39 PM (5JwLu)

51 Posted by: Craig Poe at August 06, 2012 10:29 PM (BVkEs)


our pointing out their idiocy on the Colorado Clown has altered their behavior a bit....


they check with OWS and likely party registration first now at least.....


so there's that

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 10:39 PM (LRFds)

52 Every time I see the Subaru hipster balloonist commercial I'm disappointed that he didn't land in the middle of a forest fire


Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:40 PM (Y7XKa)

53 >>>Hunting accident with life insurance faster please.

Hey Levi, wanna go Moose hunting?

Posted by: Todd Palin at August 06, 2012 10:40 PM (c1WVm)

54 Octamom and Sandra Fluke decide to double-date...

I will stop right there, some things once imagined can never be erased.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:40 PM (HlJeY)

55 That comes with valet parking, though.
Probably a good idea. I've heard car keys get lost.

Posted by: Cicero at August 06, 2012 10:37 PM (zMouK)

Dude! Where's My Car?!??

Posted by: Ashton Kutcher at August 06, 2012 10:41 PM (BAS5M)

56 Probably a good idea. I've heard car keys get lost.

....and it's over the upper deck for an early thread winner!!

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2012 10:41 PM (3SvjA)

57 Taki is occasionally entertaining in a what-are-aristocratic-paleo-cons-thinking kind of way

Yeah, sometimes when I get too far out there on one of my misanthropic tears, "we'd be better off under the Bourbons" and suchlike - reading Taki can bring me back to Earth.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TSqkdcT25ss

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 10:41 PM (QTHTd)

58 >>>Hunting accident with life insurance faster please.

Hey Levi, wanna go Moose hunting?

Posted by: Todd Palin at August 06, 2012 10:40 PM (c1WVm)


I've already scheduled him for duck hunting...

Posted by: Dick Cheney at August 06, 2012 10:41 PM (sZTYJ)

59
Gwar song in their commercials...

FULL FLOW

Posted by: GWAR Commercials 2 x 4 at August 06, 2012 10:41 PM (I27d2)

60 Ken doll and Levi are probably hung the same...

Posted by: KZnextzone at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (UXEgP)

61 Good evening.

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (HWUv9)

62 I guess now that the new and improved Mars rover is there, we can go over and and check out this whole "Mars Face" thang, right?

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (BVkEs)

63 hi all
damn if that whatsyourprice.com website doesn't require you to register first before you even search for dates

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (d/5qf)

64 Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 06, 2012 10:36 PM (HpT9p)

I've heard that song before. It interwoven with the infamous WoW funeral raid video:

http://tinyurl.com/b98ew2

"I ain't no god-damned son of a bitch!"

Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (c1WVm)

65 See, we need to keep NASA around just so we have people like the Mohawk trekkie guy in government.

Posted by: joncelli at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (CWlPF)

66 Gotta say in the sidebar Bolt is a class act.

Posted by: Infidel at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (LPlYk)

67 I'd hit it.

Posted by: Ben at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (XDHBy)

68 I am apparently not aligned with current tastes in men because I was not attracted to Mohawk guy at all.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 10:43 PM (RZ8pf)

69 Do you like Blue Oyster Cult?

Do you like Mercyful Fate?

DO you like SATAN?

Then I got the band for you!

GHOST!

Their debut album, Opus Eponymous.

Here we go!

Deus Culpa

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_YNCiVKAjrc

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:43 PM (HWUv9)

70 What happened to teh puppeh idea, chemjeff?

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:43 PM (5H6zj)

71 Watching ABC News saved me from watching a night of the Olympics. They spoiled the whole thing for my wife by telling us the results. Thanks you, ABC!

Gabby whatshername lost.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at August 06, 2012 10:43 PM (UTq/I)

72 Dear Levi a word of advice. If you do pursue custody of the kid you contributed sperm to, your chances might be better if you held a real job. Like greeter at Wal-Mart. Until then, go away.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:43 PM (HlJeY)

73 hi all
damn if that whatsyourprice.com website doesn't require you to register first before you even search for dates
Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:42 PM (d/5qf)

Seriously?

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:43 PM (5JwLu)

74 Or if you want to skip the prelude...

Ghost - Con Clavi Con Dio

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=flcHCTbdLSM

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:43 PM (HWUv9)

75 Gwar song in their commercials...

FULL FLOW

Posted by: GWAR Commercials 2 x 4 at August 06, 2012 10:41 PM (I27d2)


The "commercial" in question: Link is VERY VERY NSFW:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYAi7LBVdUA

Posted by: ...From the Slave Pit at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (sZTYJ)

76 I think a printout of the results of googling "Johnston" and "Wasila Alaska police blotter" is all that Bristol's lawyer needs to show the court

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (Y7XKa)

77
I'd hit it.

Octomom?
You'd need a belay.

Posted by: garrett at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (I27d2)

78 68 PGiS,

this being the "roaring 21st century" you may not be the target audience anyway.....


how you doing?

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (LRFds)

79 The thing about the badminton dustup is you see it ALL the time in soccer. They're trying to win the tournament, not the game. Sort of like a tennis player rushing the net. Why didn't he try for an ace? Because he's trying to win.

Posted by: t-bird at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (FcR7P)

80 For OctoMom it not a VAJAY "Monologue" it is a convention..

Posted by: Chesire catman at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (NYdB8)

81 We need to keep NASA around so when King Putts retires from President of the UN he can go be Emperor of Mars...

Posted by: KZnextzone at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (UXEgP)

82 >>66 Gotta say in the sidebar Bolt is a class act.

+1 to that

Face it, he's more respectful of Old Glory than Barack Obama is.

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:44 PM (5H6zj)

83 Kratos, that WoW funeral ambush is still a classic of What Were They Thinking of having it in such an area.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:45 PM (HlJeY)

84
Gabby whatshername lost.


Thanks!

Posted by: USS Diversity at August 06, 2012 10:45 PM (2d71t)

85 I understand it's phoenixgirl's birthday.

Happy birthday, Phoenixgirl!

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:45 PM (HWUv9)

86 Maybe the Mars Rover can find the car keys ...

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2012 10:45 PM (BAS5M)

87 So I guess even porn stars don't want to use her clowncar of a vagina.

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 10:46 PM (GULKT)

88 A Lefty judge would give Levi custody goodies just to fuck with the Palins.

Otherwise, Levi has zero chance.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:46 PM (5JwLu)

89 or stab myself in the neck with a pencil.
Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 06, 2012 10:36 PM (HpT9p)


****************

Please don't do that. If you do, you'll look rather dorky, which would then make you a pencil-neck geek for your dying moments. Nobody wants that for you.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque at August 06, 2012 10:47 PM (eQnzo)

90 IIRC, Thorazine was part of the "zombie bacteria cure" in the 1985 movie Warning Sign:

http://tinyurl.com/97me62l

It's basically an earlier, contained version of 28 Days Later where people infected with this biological agent get very violent before they expire.

This movie was perhaps part of the springboard that put Sam Waterston in roles such as Law and Order and so forth.

Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 10:47 PM (c1WVm)

91 Y-not eh decided that I couldn't put up with the hassle of a puppeh

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:47 PM (d/5qf)

92 My weird college lectures story involves Larry Linville. The students on the lecture committee took turns taking the guest lecturers to dinner on the university's dime (private university, of course we chose expensive steak places for dinner!). Anyway, Larry Linville pinched my ass as we were walking away from our table after dinner. Then acted like it hadn't happened. Gave me a nice autograph later though.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 10:47 PM (RZ8pf)

93 Check the pics in the Zombie story

I kinda liked “City of Bekrley.”

Posted by: HeatherRadish at August 06, 2012 10:47 PM (hO8IJ)

94 The misspelled manhole cover in Zombie's photoessay is ... just unbelievable.

Posted by: Waterhouse at August 06, 2012 10:48 PM (01XU4)

95 Ghost - Ritual

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P_3SClHy_A

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:48 PM (HWUv9)

96 Didn't Gore Vidal call William F. Buckley a Nazi or something to which Buckley grabbed him by the throat and threaten to kick his "faggot" ass?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 06, 2012 10:48 PM (JKNDp)

97 You gotta love a city so stupid and driven by ideology that lesbians are for palestinians and against Israel.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 10:48 PM (r4wIV)

98
Kratos at August 06, 2012 10:47 PM
He was pretty good in Capricorn 1

Posted by: KZnextzone at August 06, 2012 10:49 PM (UXEgP)

99 @91
I think you made the right decision, actually. If you're life is anything like mine was when I was doing that science shit, you wouldn't have time.

You still might consider a kitteh.

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:49 PM (5H6zj)

100 sven10077, I was wondering about that, if I was perhaps the wrong gender to fully appreciate Mr. Mohawk.


Things are good. My son and I enjoyed watching the Mars landing last night, I kept making the inevitable "it's not rocket science, oh wait it is" jokes and he kept joking about the Rover landing and the first pictures beamed back would be of Marvin the Martian holding up a "WTF?" sign.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 10:49 PM (RZ8pf)

101 Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 06, 2012 10:48 PM (JKNDp)

"Now listen hear, you queer, you stop calling me a cryptonazi or I'll sock you so hard in the face you'll stay plastered."

Posted by: Quothe Zombie Bill Buckley at August 06, 2012 10:49 PM (HWUv9)

102 Kratos what is your opinion on the new WoW expansion where you can be a Kung-Fu Panda? Lame? Also read that Blizzard has lost 2.5 million WoW subscribers.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:50 PM (HlJeY)

103 >>92 My weird college lectures story involves Larry Linville.

Very interesting!


Damn, I gotta go. Haven't been at an ONT in like forever. Oh well. Have fun folks!

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:50 PM (5H6zj)

104 Chemjeff, maybe you can win a nice girl in a poker game in some exotic locale.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:50 PM (5JwLu)

105 VDH is the perfect example of the importance of the humanities. He illustrates how study of it can elevate a man and through him all of mankind.

Vidal, on the other hand, is a son of a bitch. I say that as someone who liked "Live From Golgatha".

Posted by: Alex at August 06, 2012 10:50 PM (m0zk1)

106 Didn't Gore Vidal call William F. Buckley a Nazi or something to which Buckley grabbed him by the throat and threaten to kick his "faggot" ass?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 06, 2012 10:48 PM (JKNDp)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wiVjpbFzdeE

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2012 10:50 PM (sZTYJ)

107 "Buckley: Now listen you queer, quit calling me a crypto-Nazi or I'll sock you in the goddamn face and you'll stay plastered."
-William F. Buckley to Gore Vidal

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 10:51 PM (r4wIV)

108 @ 91 helloooo..... i have kittehs..

Posted by: Chesire catman at August 06, 2012 10:51 PM (NYdB8)

109 The Slate article on Vidal is a whitewash. They try to depict him as some kind of conservative when in fact he was a cranky left-populist.

Posted by: joncelli at August 06, 2012 10:52 PM (CWlPF)

110 So if Gabby Douglas mom declared bankruptcy, what will happen to Gabby's two gold medals? Are they considered assets that are controlled by the family? Feel bad for olympians who have to sell their medals, but you gotta have a back up plan, olympic sports are not exactly flowing with money.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2012 10:52 PM (ZhEoC)

111 "Kratos what is your opinion on the new WoW expansion where you can be a Kung-Fu Panda?"

Well my opinion is that Pandas are okay (the game already has minotaurs and space goats, for crying out loud) but the monk class is insanely overpowered and they destroyed the talent system. I won't be buying the expansion. I haven't played over a month and am seriously considering canceling my subscription.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 10:52 PM (r4wIV)

112 'sup, fappers?

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 10:53 PM (kpCLl)

113 Dr. Hanson got exposed to an interesting variety of famous people because of his dad. Pearl Buck and her two minders who never let her out of their site. Ansell Adams screaming about James Watt.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:53 PM (HlJeY)

114 You still might consider a kitteh.

Posted by: Y-not at August 06, 2012 10:49 PM

Cute kitteh

http://tinyurl.com/5e89bz

Posted by: kbdabear at August 06, 2012 10:53 PM (Y7XKa)

115 So if Gabby Douglas mom declared bankruptcy, what will happen to Gabby's two gold medals?

nothing. the medals don't belong to the mom, they belong to gabby.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:54 PM (d/5qf)

116 Are they considered assets that are controlled by the family?

I believe they belong to Gabby and Gabby alone. Only if Gabby had assets in her name as well as her mother's would they fall under the purview of bankruptcy.


Posted by: MacGruber at August 06, 2012 10:54 PM (gUDfN)

117 "Gave me a nice autograph later though.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle"

Frank Burns eats worms!

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 06, 2012 10:54 PM (d6TfZ)

118
102 Kratos what is your opinion on the new WoW expansion where you can be a Kung-Fu Panda? Lame? Also read that Blizzard has lost 2.5 million WoW subscribers.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:50 PM (HlJeY)


Well the Kung-Fu Panda has been coming for a long time. Warcraft 3 Expansion The Frozen Throne included the Pandaran Brewmaster as a playable hero. It predates Kung Fu Panda by several years.

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 10:54 PM (GULKT)

119 Since we're all discussing terrible dessert choices, the two worst desserts are cow pies an urinal cakes. At least they're the worst ones I've ever eaten.

Posted by: Truman North, iPhone scoundrel at August 06, 2012 10:54 PM (aP0wC)

120 Oh, hi, PGiS!!! So glad someone else stayed up late and watched the Mars deal last night, I found it incredibly moving. Tears. So awesomely awesome that it all worked the way it should have and was a huge success. And fuck Matt Drudge for ignoring it, wtf??? I was peeved about that . . .

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 10:54 PM (kpCLl)

121 Has the Mars' rover sent back the picture of the 3 tittieh Martian woman yet?

Posted by: MrCaniac at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (1grxW)

122
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Vidal's "history" books best summarized as "Every Historical Figure In The History Of History Was Gay".

'sup jackwagons

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (Rhie+)

123 The Kennedys are worse than the Cartwrights for using up women.
Hop Sing wasn't too happy about it either. Just ask Harry Reid.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (vDl/w)

124 Octomom deserves to be shot purely because she absolutely ruined Spaghetti O's. Has anyone actually seen her porno? I kinda want to look it up out of morbid curiousity.

Posted by: Adam at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (/YJYi)

125 Hey, Peaches.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (5JwLu)

126 "Now listen hear, you queer, you stop calling me a cryptonazi or I'll sock you so hard in the face you'll stay plastered."
Never left his chair.

Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (3SvjA)

127 Christopher Taylor. Space goats? By the three horns of Ranthor the goat! Geez. Perhaps WoW has finally jumped the shark. Guild Wars II I am going to skip - its been too freaking long for them to put it online.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (HlJeY)

128 You gotta love a city so stupid and driven by ideology that lesbians are for palestinians and against Israel.

Every photo says that in a crisis, those smug, self-involved fuckwits would starve to death in a week.

BTW, the fat sweaty lesbian with the sexy anti-Israel sweat shirt is nothing like the lesbians in lesbian porn. I wonder if she's a vagina warrior too.

Posted by: Cicero at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (zMouK)

129 Hi PGiS, long time no see on the ONT
how is everything

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (d/5qf)

130 Here's a really good video of Bil Buckley and Woody Allen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNErWi_lTig

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (HWUv9)

131 Ghost - Elizabeth

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVZqx42fqKo

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:56 PM (HWUv9)

132 Good evening.

Nicely thematic ONT tonight.

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 10:56 PM (6JLpG)

133 Gore Vidal played a congressman in Bob Roberts, Tim Robbins gave him like ten minutes of screen time to puke his theory on what's wrong with politics and Washington DC. He was the voice of the author, basically Tim Robbins giving us what he really thought in a movie supposedly poking fun at all politics but really a pile of leftist crap.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 10:56 PM (r4wIV)

134 110
So if Gabby Douglas mom declared bankruptcy, what will happen to Gabby's
two gold medals? Are they considered assets that are controlled by the
family? Feel bad for olympians who have to sell their medals, but you
gotta have a back up plan, olympic sports are not exactly flowing with
money.


Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at August 06, 2012 10:52 PM (ZhEoC)

I've got a way for her to make money!!

Posted by: Hugh Hefner at August 06, 2012 10:56 PM (1grxW)

135 Hi Peaches!
here is a kitteh pic for you
http://tinyurl.com/98ow7s5

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:57 PM (d/5qf)

136 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:50 PM (HlJeY)

Sorry, Anna. I've played Wow exactly once in my life, and that was years ago so I cannot comment on the expansion.

My semi-hardcore WoWer friend seemed pretty excited about the addition of the Pandarien (I think that's what they are called). But I think the WoW well is finally starting to run a bit dry, especially with the subscription costs.

Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 10:57 PM (c1WVm)

137 Hey, eman!!

Gabby's mom filed a Chapter 13, which is where they consolidate the debts and the person pays a monthly amount to someone who then distributes it to the creditors. It's not a slacker deal at all.

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 10:57 PM (kpCLl)

138 ever left his chair.
Posted by: fluffy at August 06, 2012 10:55 PM (3SvjA)

ALmost did. Chris Buckley xplained at The New Republic that the reason Bill didn't smack Vidal was because of a back brace he had on after a sailing accident.

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 10:57 PM (HWUv9)

139 "Christopher Taylor. Space goats? By the three horns of Ranthor the goat! Geez. Perhaps WoW has finally jumped the shark."

The Space Goats (Draenei) are pretty cool actually. The females have the best modeling of female characters in the game, actually. But the Panda thing I think has turned a lot of people off and honestly the expansion isn't offering very much. More places to go, 5 more levels... yawn.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (r4wIV)

140 Has anyone seen Granny Rictus McBotox's comment on Harry Reid's fabrication about Romney?

http://goo.gl/fYq9A

According to "her": "Harry Reid made a statement that is true. It is a fact. Whether he did or not can easily be disposed of: Mitt Romney can release his tax returns and show whether he paid taxes."

There's something weird going on here. They're not just trying to hit Mitt for not releasing his tax returns. Now they're trying to force his hand.

For some reason, they desperately want those returns out in the public eye. How much do you want to bet the IRS (which, after all, works for this administration) has passed them a copy of the returns and they're convinced they have something juicy in them? But they can't just leak this info, as there will then be proof of one of the many felonies we know they've committed.

(I have no idea what it could be. Maybe a charitable donation to an organization opposing gay marriage? I'm not claiming the American people would actually care about whatever it is. I'm just saying the Democrats would think - in their normal myopic way - that the American people would care.)

Posted by: MikeJ at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (9rqKu)

141 Chris Buckley xplained at The New Republic that the reason Bill didn't
smack Vidal was because of a back brace he had on after a sailing
accident.


I would not believe the lying Chris Buckley Obama Voter's description of the event

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (d/5qf)

142 Never left his chair.

He always said he regretted the outburst. Did he regret saying those words ... or did he regret not leaving his chair?

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (QTHTd)

143 "122
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Vidal's "history" books best summarized as "Every Historical Figure In The History Of History Was Gay". "

You know you've "arrived" if someone theorizes that you're gay.

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (6JLpG)

144 That's a wonderful story VDH tells about Sir John Keegan's kind thoughtfulness. As a thoroughly ignored writer myself, I was deeply touched, especially considering the effect it had on VDH. May Sir John rest in peace.

Re Gore Vidal, I believe strongly in not speaking ill of the dead so soon after their passing, so I will merely point out that he died not long after Vidal Sassoon. Ya think Mr. Jordan's guy made a mistake again?

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (IlZPo)

145 No offense Kratos, but if I saw a WOW commercial done to a Misfits song, I'd run out to Staples and buy a whole box of No. 2 pencils. Gonna pass on that link...

Posted by: Navin R Johnson at August 06, 2012 10:59 PM (HpT9p)

146 Oh, and Chris Buckley would have said, "now listen here, you queer... that is one fabulous outfit you are wearing. Is it Versace?"

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 10:59 PM (QTHTd)

147 The Wisconsin shooter must have been an Obama campaign coordinator back in 2008 or something, because the lefty assholes have been remarkably quiet about the whole incident. I haven't seen any of my liberal idiot friends posting crap on Facebook about it, which means Media Matters et al aren't pushing the story. Which means they must have a reason not to do it.

Now, normally one would say that good taste or simple human decency would be enough to keep them from using a tragedy like that for political gain, but ever since 2008 nothing has been too crass or vile for them to do, so that can't be it.

Logically, therefore, the shooter must have strong and verifiable ties to the Obama campaign, the Democratic Party, or some other keystone of the liberal power structure.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:00 PM (Rc0hz)

148 lol, BTH!!!!

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:00 PM (kpCLl)

149 Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 10:54 PM (GULKT)

I remember the Brewmaster from W3. Never used him much on Battlenet play.

Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 11:00 PM (c1WVm)

150 77 Yeah, I don't think strapping a board to your ass is going to cut it.

Posted by: no good deed at August 06, 2012 11:00 PM (mjR67)

151 Ghost - Stand By Him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1A5Sha-GIjQ

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:00 PM (HWUv9)

152 Alex, how's the house hunting going?

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:00 PM (6JLpG)

153 The Dems are chasing the Mitt taxes wild goose because they are desperate.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:01 PM (5JwLu)

154 "For some reason, they desperately want those returns out in the public eye."

It would help build their class warfare "super rich bastard pays almost no taxes" case. Romney was a very smart businessman, he would have used every possible trick to pay the least possible taxes. All legal, just would drive lefties crazy. If there really was a problem the IRS would have done something about it long ago.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 11:01 PM (r4wIV)

155 104
Chemjeff, maybe you can win a nice girl in a poker game in some exotic locale.


that's what I"m counting on

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:02 PM (d/5qf)

156 The DNC 2012 slogan: By any means necessary!

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2012 11:02 PM (BAS5M)

157 I would not believe the lying Chris Buckley Obama Voter's description of the event
Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (d/5qf)

Uh, well you can watch the video. Bill does get up over Vidal and he does appear to be wearing some kind of brace.

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:02 PM (HWUv9)

158 Peaches, well thankfully JPL is in CA so we didn't have to stay up too late! It was awesome to be able to watch it. Though I didn't enjoy the interviews after when several people praised the SCOAMF as if he had some monumental role in seeing the mission get done.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:03 PM (RZ8pf)

159 they want Romney's tax returns so that they can spend the next 3 months talking about (a) OMG he only paid 15-20% of his income on taxes, why that's less than HIS SECRETARY paid and (b) OMG he took a tax deduction for a donation to a charity that is run by this guy whose brother does BAD THINGS111!!1!111eleventy!!!!! that's the only reason whatsoever.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:03 PM (d/5qf)

160 153 The Dems are chasing the Mitt taxes wild goose because they are desperate.

Obama and his campaign team know that a good defense is a good offense, so they'll continue to throw everything they got at Romney in order to prevent calls to open up Obama's various sealed records.

Romney had better be prepping for all-out campaign PR war. He's got the funds to do it, thankfully. All he needs is the will.

Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 11:03 PM (c1WVm)

161 I love how bammy is tellin' his peeps they got to "step it up" (so racist) now that the July campaign haul has shown him to be lacking in the one thing he does best, which is the shake-down.

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:03 PM (kpCLl)

162 The Dems are chasing the Mitt taxes wild goose because they are desperate.
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:01 PM (5JwLu)


Yeah they stepped on their dick with Harry Reid though. Now instead of Romney's tax returns everyone is talking about what a dirty dirty liar Harry Reid is.

Posted by: robtr at August 06, 2012 11:04 PM (MtwBb)

163 Ghost - Satan Prayer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4XubA6P3qs

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:04 PM (HWUv9)

164 147
Trimegistus, I did hear Fox News radio point out that the shooter bought his weapon legally. So did Holmes and Laughner. I think the media are still trying to build a case for gun control.

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:04 PM (6JLpG)

165 <i>For some reason, they desperately want those returns out in the public
eye. How much do you want to bet the IRS (which, after all, works for
this administration) has passed them a copy of the returns and they're
convinced they have something juicy in them?</i>

Pelosi, Reid, and Obama are desperate, but not conspiring like that. Don't mix up stupidity with conspiracy. Obama isn't going to risk getting caught if he allows the IRS to pass the returns to Reid. Even if he didn't allow it, it happened on his watch.

No, Reid is just an effin liar, plain and simple. Pelosi? Just doubling down on stupid, which she does every time she opens her mouth.

Posted by: MacGruber at August 06, 2012 11:04 PM (gUDfN)

166 Thor's hammer lies before Romney but he can't wield it. That's because Thor's hammer is Romneycare. You see Romneycare is already a dismal failure with mounting costs, $500k fines, doctor shortages and restrictions by beauracrats. I found this artile at the Bloodthirsty Liberal http://tinyurl.com/9c3retj

Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 06, 2012 11:04 PM (JKNDp)

167 I think the Dems know their boy (self denouncing system activated) is already burnt toast (back up self denouncing system activated) and they are just trying to win one or two States.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:05 PM (5JwLu)

168 Hi chemjeff. Things here an't believe summer is whipping by so fast.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:05 PM (RZ8pf)

169 106-thank you.

Vidal-pretentious piece of shit, now a flaming pile of shit in the depths of hell.

Buckley-enjoying his rest in the heavenly realms.

Buckley definitely got the last laugh. RIP Bill.

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:05 PM (dZmFh)

170 PGiS, Peaches et al...


you ladies and(unnamed but not unthought of)gents have a nice night.....


Zombie if you pop your head in nice work as always on your photos

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 11:05 PM (LRFds)

171 I remember the Brewmaster from W3. Never used him much on Battlenet play.
Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 11:00 PM (c1WVm)


Never played battlenet. He was a fun character to have along with the Troll and the Half-Orc/Half-Ogre Heroes in the Orc mini-campaign. I kind of wished that they had done some more of those. It was actually more fun than the actual campaigns. The final battle which was nearly an endless slog of combat through that fortress was great.

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 11:05 PM (GULKT)

172 hi moki how is everything going with your daughter?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:06 PM (d/5qf)

173 By the way, if any of you have read Old Habits, please do put a review up on Amazon. Even if you hated it, please put a review up! Every little bit helps.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 06, 2012 11:06 PM (r4wIV)

174 That's because Thor's hammer is Romneycare. You see Romneycare is already a dismal failure

And, yet, no one can dispute that he gave those Massholes exactly what they wanted. It's not like he invented the fuckin' thing, or went out and sold it. All he did was graciously concede that he would grant them their ridiculous wish.

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:06 PM (kpCLl)

175 112 'sup, fappers?
Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 10:53 PM (kpCLl)


*************

Hey! Who told!?

Posted by: Boomer Redneque at August 06, 2012 11:06 PM (eQnzo)

176 168
Hi chemjeff. Things here an't believe summer is whipping by so fast.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:05 PM (RZ8pf)

yeah no kidding, I'm already having to get ready for the school year
hope everything is going well. did you take out the stalker?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:07 PM (d/5qf)

177 I never watch the NFL or the NBA. I was close to writing off the Olympics. Now I'm writing off the Olympics. I still like college sports, though.

And I'll admit a weakness: I occasionally watch pro baseball. I'm not proud of that.

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:08 PM (IoNBC)

178
164 147 Trimegistus, I did hear Fox News radio point out that the shooter bought his weapon legally. So did Holmes and Laughner. I think the media are still trying to build a case for gun control.
Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:04 PM (6JLpG)


Loughner bought his gun legally because mommy was connected and the corrupt sheriff never did anything about him like he should have that probably would have made his legal purchase of a firearm impossible

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 11:08 PM (GULKT)

179 Ghost - Death Knell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJy-hdKT5wM

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:09 PM (HWUv9)

180 Ummm , you rush the net because that's where the points are won .
Provided your approach shot is good , that is .

Posted by: awkward davies at August 06, 2012 11:09 PM (Jp1VY)

181 So, where did they bury Vidal?

Posted by: nickless with a full bladder at August 06, 2012 11:09 PM (MMC8r)

182 hope everything is going well. did you take out the stalker?
Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:07 PM (d/5qf)


Wut, wait, I am a freindly stalker. What's with the taking out the stalker language?

Posted by: robtr at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (MtwBb)

183 Oh crap. I like Taylor Swift.
Let's see:
1. Ending up in a car underwater, while prince charming lets you drown because he has to save his career.
2.Being driven to suicide.
3. Being driven to have a miscarriage, see no. 1 above.
4. Being driven to alcoholism.
5. Putting up with constant cheating by the selfish, entitled bastard.
6. Being lucky enough to wise up and dump the bastard.
7. Being lucky enough to outlive the entitled selfish bastard.

I'm hoping she gets number 6.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (HApF6)

184 hey we got a 30% chance of rain tomorrow! woohoo

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (d/5qf)

185 If I see one more trailer for that JJ Abrams sh*tfest on the Olympics, I'm going to freakin' lose it. After suffering through a season and a half on LOST, I'm done with him.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (d6TfZ)

186 At least in tennis on fast courts .
Badmitton , who the fuck knows .

Posted by: awkward davies at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (Jp1VY)

187 which stalker chemjeff? The peeper over the back fence?


And boy did my last comment get garbled. Damn ghosts in the machine.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (RZ8pf)

188 Hey! Who told!?
Uh. Your laptop camera is activated.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (vDl/w)

189 When are you guys coming to get me?

It's cold and pretty shitty here. Nothing but sand and rocks.

Although I think I heard something last night.

I shined my laser around but I didn't see anything.

Posted by: Curiosity at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (5JwLu)

190 robtr, I meant, "did you take out the stalker to a nice luncheon?"

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (d/5qf)

191 I thought it was something to that effect. Thanks for posting the vid. I loved the look on the protagonasts faces during the exchange.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 06, 2012 11:11 PM (JKNDp)

192 181 Nickless Vidals ass was so stuck up and he was so full of bullshit the methane is a lifting agent and his nose the guidance system.....


he's gonna pass the moon by Fridays and Jupiter by the election.....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 11:11 PM (LRFds)

193 Anyone in Mitt's income bracket is probably audited every damned year.

Posted by: CMU VET at August 06, 2012 11:11 PM (dPSpR)

194 So I was listening to an audo book on eastern religions in the "axial age" 800-200 BC.

I could tell the guy was a liberal because he used BCE and called Israel Palestine.

Overall it was interesting though. One point the author made was that older religion was about "cosmic maintenance" or in other words sacrifice to the gods or the world will fall apart, and the newer religions were about the self and humanity's role and fate.

At the end of the lecture, he decided to opine on this transition, and how, viewed from an ecological viewpoint it was bad - people trust the world to take care of itself and focus instead on humanity, or themselves.

And this struck me as the perfect microcosm of liberalism. Deeply regressive and just as importantly pointless. "Cosmic maintenance" didn't in fact maintain the cosmos, and yet through environmentalism, this is the religion the left wants.


Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2012 11:11 PM (AUeaU)

195 PGiS yeah the one that was annoying you

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:11 PM (d/5qf)

196 Also , VDH is the premier American man of letters .

Posted by: awkward davies at August 06, 2012 11:12 PM (Jp1VY)

197 Mitt didn't use TurboTax, I'll bet.

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2012 11:12 PM (BAS5M)

198 I am afraid I will have to go see The Expendables 2. Lots of guns, explosions, stupid humor, and action stars not taking themselves seriously.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 11:12 PM (HlJeY)

199
Loughner bought his gun legally because mommy was connected and the
corrupt sheriff never did anything about him like he should have that
probably would have made his legal purchase of a firearm impossible
***
I DON'T THINK THIS COULD POSSIBLY BE TRUE.

AGAIN.

Posted by: Dr Amy Bishop at August 06, 2012 11:12 PM (AUeaU)

200
Oh crap. I like Taylor Swift.
Let's see:
1. Ending up in a car underwater, while prince charming lets you drown because he has to save his career.
2.Being driven to suicide.
3. Being driven to have a miscarriage, see no. 1 above.
4. Being driven to alcoholism.
5. Putting up with constant cheating by the selfish, entitled bastard.
6. Being lucky enough to wise up and dump the bastard.
7. Being lucky enough to outlive the entitled selfish bastard.

I'm hoping she gets number 6.
Posted by: nerdygirl at August 06, 2012 11:10 PM (HApF6)







8. Forcibly dragged into the operating room by Daddy for a then-experimental surgery called a lobotomy.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2012 11:13 PM (Rhie+)

201 Ghost - Prime Mover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAsOIObY54E

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:13 PM (HWUv9)

202 I actually just started reading Keegan's book on the Civil War.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2012 11:13 PM (AUeaU)

203 18-1

yessir and they are winning......


the punchline is the "cosmos" they want to balance can blow us into oblivion with a sneeze and as was once written......


"we are to God as the ant is to us...."

the cosmos like honey badger don't give a shit

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 11:13 PM (LRFds)

204 Anyone in Mitt's income bracket is probably audited every damned year.

Posted by: CMU VET at August 06, 2012 11:11 PM (dPSpR)

Yeah, I'm pretty sure if the IRS isn't crawlin' up his ass, then Harry "first you will blow me" Reid should shut his fuckin' piehole. Particularly on the SENATE FLOOR. fuck.

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:14 PM (kpCLl)

205 Any Moron's around Seymour Indiana? I will be there during the Octoberfest with the other balloonists.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at August 06, 2012 11:14 PM (JKNDp)

206
8. Forcibly dragged into the operating room by Daddy for a then-experimental surgery called a lobotomy.
***
The science is settled - lobotomies work.

Posted by: Some Consensus Scientist at August 06, 2012 11:14 PM (AUeaU)

207 18-1. Yep. The Aztecs sacrificed people every day to keep the Sun up.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 11:14 PM (HlJeY)

208 Mitt didn't use TurboTax, I'll bet.
Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2012 11:12 PM (BAS5M)

So he thought he could deduct worn out magic underwear.

Is that a crime?

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:14 PM (5JwLu)

209 Deeply regressive and just as importantly pointless.

I had a conversation today with a woman at work who's all Adam Smithy about Chic-Fil-A.

I said, "There are many gay people who do not support gay marriage. Are they bigoted homophobic haters too?"

She didn't have an answer.

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:14 PM (IoNBC)

210 9. Dying in an small aircraft crash flying in dense haze over water.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (vDl/w)

211 Hey chemjeff- waiting for her doctor to come back from vacation. Surgery was ineffective, they found something else wrong and decided not to operate then, so we will see him at the end of the month to figure out what to do. She is very frustrated. So are we-but I will say, University of Alabama Med school/facilities were unbelievably cheap. A tenth of what we pay for similar procedures here in Florida. I would really like to know what the reason for the difference in price is.

How are you doing, sugar? Ready for classes to start? I hope you get some really motivated students who desire to learn, and want to be challenged!!!

And maybe a really, really cute grad student who doesn't report to you, and who digs chemistry profs.

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (dZmFh)

212 chemjeff there's a new annoyance around this place almost every week. (robtr excluded of course, though it would be helpful if he'd take out one or two of the other miscreants during his rounds). But, my security system seems to be having the desired effect. The people skulking around in the dark appear to be targeting my neighbor's home now instead of mine.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (RZ8pf)

213 what ever happened to that loon Amy Bishop anyway? never heard another word about that crazy bitch, I wonder why

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (kpCLl)

214 9. Dying in an small aircraft crash flying in dense haze over water.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (vDl/w)

At night and minus the proper training.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (5JwLu)

215

Gore Vidal ... aahhhhh, yes. The Inventor of "Sasooning". Hairdressers everywhere are in mourning.

Posted by: Hogarth de la Poubelle, Member, The League of Ugly Shirted Gentlemen at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (PHytk)

216 I could tell the guy was a liberal because he used BCE and called Israel Palestine.

It is funny how a video game can get the history of Israel right better than liberals. If you've ever played Rome:Total War you know what I mean. In the game which starts During the BC time period the region around Jerusalem has the name Judea. However if you get the Barbarian expansion which takes place after the Empire has split into Eastern and Western Empires, the region has been renamed to Palestine.

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 11:17 PM (GULKT)

217 I said, "There are many gay people who do not support gay marriage. Are they bigoted homophobic haters too?"

***
Including almost all of them until the 1990s.

The historic myopia on this issue is amazing. Gay marriage, as an issue, was considered a joke, across the spectrum, until very recently.

Now, that doesn't mean you can't argue that gay marriage is fabulous and should be legal, but it does mean calling your opponent h8ters is ridiculous.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2012 11:17 PM (AUeaU)

218 The Aztecs sacrificed people every day to keep the Sun up.
Well, it worked.

Posted by: Zombie Montecuhzoma II Xocototzin at August 06, 2012 11:17 PM (vDl/w)

219 what ever happened to that loon Amy Bishop anyway? never heard another word about that crazy bitch, I wonder why
Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (kpCLl)

I think I read here that DR. AMY BISHOP! recently got her ass kicked in prison.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:18 PM (5JwLu)

220 I prayed for vegetation and God sent me a Little Rascal.

Posted by: A Martian at August 06, 2012 11:18 PM (zMouK)

221
9. Dying in an small aircraft crash flying in dense haze over water.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (vDl/w)

Piloted by a rich douchebag who who wasn't instrument rated.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2012 11:19 PM (Rhie+)

222 There's something weird going on here. They're not just trying to hit
Mitt for not releasing his tax returns. Now they're trying to force his
hand.



For some reason, they desperately want those returns out in the
public eye. How much do you want to bet the IRS (which, after all,
works for this administration) has passed them a copy of the returns and
they're convinced they have something juicy in them? But they can't
just leak this info, as there will then be proof of one of the many
felonies we know they've committed.





Posted by: MikeJ at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (9rqKu)


It is their confidence on not being called on their hypocrisy. "Mitt made millions, while downsizing, off-shoring, out-sourcing, killing jobs and hiding his fortune in Swiss bank accounts".

Meanwhile, Harry Reid's accumulation of millions as a Public Servant? To quote Nancy Pelosi: "Are you serious".

Posted by: cm9000 at August 06, 2012 11:19 PM (lzvtR)

223 The Aztecs sacrificed people every day to keep the Sun up.
Well, it worked.


Posted by: Zombie Montecuhzoma II Xocototzin at August 06, 2012 11:17 PM (vDl/w)
You owe me half a beer and 6 paper towels

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:19 PM (kpCLl)

224

Posted by: Zombie Montecuhzoma II Xocototzin at August 06, 2012 11:17 PM (vDl/w)


you'd think Cortez would have said thank you

Posted by: Barackazoomazima Il TenloadsOChichen at August 06, 2012 11:19 PM (LRFds)

225 Ghost - Genesis

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V9xu0S3v4xc

Instrumental finale. Someone pointed out the beginning sounds Castlevania-ish. Gaming Morons, is this correct?

Also, FUCKING CRANK IT! \m/

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:19 PM (HWUv9)

226 Mitt didn't use TurboTax, I'll bet. Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2012 11:12 PM (BAS5M)

So he thought he could deduct worn out magic underwear.
Is that a crime?

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:14 PM (5JwLu)

To clarify - shot to little Timmy and Mitt probably uses some respectable accounting firm. Only former Arkansas Governors deduct used underwear as a charitable deduction on their tax returns. Have to offset the wife's phenomenal gains in cattle future trading somehow ...

Posted by: Count de Monet at August 06, 2012 11:20 PM (BAS5M)

227 No group has done more to mainstream gay marriage than the Westboro cult freaks.

By being such crude, loathsome fuckwads ... nobody wanted to agree with them.

The gay rights movement should be thanking the Westboro cult scum for being so foul that they convinced a lot of Americans to support gay rights and gay marriage just to oppose the Westboro motherfuckers.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 06, 2012 11:20 PM (ZPrif)

228 Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2012 11:19 PM (Rhie+)

yeah those kennedy types think they can avoid me forever

Posted by: gravity and my brother consequence at August 06, 2012 11:20 PM (LRFds)

229 I love bringing you people the good metal.

Hope you enjoyed tonight's selection.

Rock on, ONT. Rock on.

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:21 PM (HWUv9)

230
122
Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't Vidal's "history" books best summarized as "Every Historical Figure In The History Of History Was Gay". "

You know you've "arrived" if someone theorizes that you're gay.

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 10:58 PM (6JLpG)


To whit [NSFW]:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewQzuuG_Njk

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2012 11:21 PM (sZTYJ)

231 Oh, man... I heard Taylor Swift was dating a Kennedy, but I figured they were talking about Patrick Schwarzenegger, who is, technically speaking, sort of a Kennedy. I didn't know they meant a Kennedy-Kennedy.

I agree with The Conservatory: Run away, Taylor; run far, far away. That whole family is poison.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:21 PM (3yCFy)

232 Piloted by a rich douchebag who who wasn't instrument rated.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2012 11:19 PM (Rhie+)

In a flight that was totally unnecessary. He could have had a threesome in a limo on the way to the wedding.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:22 PM (5JwLu)

233 It is funny how a video game can get the history of Israel right better than liberals.
***
History, when accurately rendered, is not kind to liberalism.

I'm reminded of a joke I once heard...

At the UN Yassir Arafat stood up to denounce Israel with a host of calumnies and outrages.

At the end, Ariel Sharon stood up and gave his own speech;

We Israelis have our own complaints also. And they go back a long time, longer in fact that my Egyptian friend's I might note.

In fact, I'd like to retell part of the story of Moses. You see after many years in the desert, when Moses first arrived in the Holy Land he was hot and tired, and when he approached a stream, he set down his clothes and staff to bathe.

And sure enough when he got in the water, a Palestinian jumped out of the bushes and stole his clothes and staff...


At this point Arafat could take no more, "LIES, LIES!!!! Everyone knows there were no Palestinians in Israel when the Jews arrived!"

Sharon turned to the body and simply said, "I rest my case."

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2012 11:22 PM (AUeaU)

234 213 what ever happened to that loon Amy Bishop anyway?

The AL Supreme Court just ruled that Bishop's defense attorneys do not have the right to demand prepayment from the state for the cost of expert witnesses. AL law states that these costs will be reimbursed only.

http://goo.gl/CZq8e

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:22 PM (IoNBC)

235 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 06, 2012 11:20 PM (ZPrif)


and the Westboro Bunch are registered donks.....

people would get the punchline if they'd research the early days of the Libs' role models from 1917-1926

Bing Sidney Reilley the trust and Savinkoff

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 11:23 PM (LRFds)

236 #233: That's an awesome story!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:23 PM (3yCFy)

237 234 213

It's Alabama. She'll get her comeuppance eventually.

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:23 PM (IoNBC)

238 233-that is brilliant!!!

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:23 PM (dZmFh)

239 178

Buzzion, yeah, and I always wondered why, when Laughner's dad was alarmed that Laughner left the house upset and armed, that the law didn't intercept him before he attacked.

Did Dad not call the police? Or did the police disregard the warning? Or did they lose track of him until it was too late?

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:24 PM (6JLpG)

240 Dying in an small aircraft crash flying in dense haze over water.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (vDl/w)

At night and minus the proper training.
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (5JwLu)

I've always thought that he just got fed up with the nattering and the petty bullshit going on in the cabin and did a nose over to put a final end to it.

They. just. wouldn't. stop.

(I'm sure some of you have heard what goes on between older and younger siblings. Even unto old age.)

Posted by: Hylozoic at August 06, 2012 11:24 PM (Vh0f5)

241 Ghost - Prime Mover

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sAsOIObY54E

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:13 PM (HWUv9)


Zodiac Mindwarp & The Love Reaction - Prime Mover:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtnCcWOS7y8

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 06, 2012 11:24 PM (sZTYJ)

242 Sorry, commenter Peaches. I owe you.

Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go pierce my foreskin with cactus needles. Sunrise has to be in about 5 hours.

Posted by: Zombie Montecuhzoma II Xocototzin at August 06, 2012 11:24 PM (vDl/w)

243 Okay, okay, bonus video.

Mercyful Fate - Church Of Saint Anne

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gSX4U5-Af0M

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:24 PM (HWUv9)

244 Anyone in Mitt's income bracket is probably audited every damned year.

No.........no probably to it. He is audited every year. The IRS can "only" audit 1.2% of all tax returns filed. Half of those audits are reserved for high income earners. For FY 2008 (yea, the IRS is a little behind in providing official stats 0r my google fu is weak, either way) there were 142 million tax returns filed........so the IRS audited roughly 71,000 high income tax earners.

So Mitt's odds of escaping an audit all ten years are practically zero. His odds of escaping an audit any particular year is very small.

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 06, 2012 11:25 PM (OWjjx)

245 But, my security system seems to be having the
desired effect. The people skulking around in the dark appear to be
targeting my neighbor's home now instead of mine.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (RZ8pf)

well that's good - continue to send the stalkers over to your neighbor's place

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:26 PM (d/5qf)

246 It seems with the whole Kennedy clan that the sins of Joseph Kennedy Sr, clan patriarch, have a few more generations to run. So Taylor run away!

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 11:26 PM (HlJeY)

247 Vidal was a pompous bag of crap.

But credit where it's due, he did manage to squeeze out one great book- "Creation".

A wandering Persian meets Zoroaster, the Buddha, Confusius, Socrates and a couple of others.

Very amusing, very interesting, very well written. His handling of the Buddha is particularly interesting.

Vidal's dead s it's not like he's going to make any money on the deal- check it out.

Posted by: naturalfake at August 06, 2012 11:27 PM (G9qZk)

248 Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (dZmFh)

oh moki I am really sorry to hear about your daughter, that is terrible.

any news on when they might figure out what is wrong?

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:27 PM (d/5qf)

249 well guys Jellybean has ben home for a couple days and shes settling in really well. Shes so adorable its crazy PLUS...she thinks shes a Mini luchadora. She and My white kitteh what plays fetch have been chasing around like a couple furry ninjas on crack, and generally amusing the shit outta me. Grim loves her "little tiny tiger face" and if you are lucky enough to know me on the Book of Faces, you could look at utterly charming pictures of her.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:28 PM (r7Ddb)

250 I did not know that Keegan had died. He was one of my favorite authors. Sad.

Posted by: packsoldier at August 06, 2012 11:28 PM (JZJ1+)

251 Wow, has anyone else read the article over at Wired called "How Apple and Amazon Security Flaws led to my Epic Hacking"? A friend in computer security told me about it yesterday.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:29 PM (RZ8pf)

252 Aaaannnndddddd time to get ready for woik.

Be back later so don't perform any virgin sacrifices without me!

Ciao!

Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:29 PM (HWUv9)

253 Yeah, I'm pretty sure if the IRS isn't crawlin' up his ass, then Harry "first you will blow me" Reid should shut his fuckin' piehole. Particularly on the SENATE FLOOR. fuck

Warren "Raise Taxes I Don't Pay" Buffet, on the otherhand, is an entirely different story...............

Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 06, 2012 11:29 PM (OWjjx)

254 Posted by: Robert at August 06, 2012 11:24 PM (HWUv9)

Sounds like absolute shit to me.

Has it not occurred to you that you, like me, have tastes in music that are not shared by a large number of people?

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:31 PM (IoNBC)

255 248-bladder damage. Apparently quite a bit. The good news is no kidney damage, which the doc says was a miracle. (Ha, that's thanks to all you praying morons and 'ettes!!!)

We just want to know what her doc wants to do-the options seem to be rather limited, and not fun for a teenager. Bless her, she asked for a walker for back-to-school, so she can maneuver the halls, and carry her books. Plus she wants to put flames on it to "make it look like I am going faster than I really am. "Cause I'm old. Maybe not in years, but how I feel. You should just buy me prunes."

My little ginger!!!

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (dZmFh)

256 #235: Yep; Phelps and his rotten kinfolk are indeed Democrats.

I like to call them "professional strawmen". They serve the Democrats by providing something the Dems can point to while blubbering about "right-wing hate".

As an added bonus, they piss off the right, too, which lets Dems make "Hitler ate sugar" (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/HitlerAteSugar) arguments in those instances where the WBC seems to agree with conservatives.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (3yCFy)

257 So Mitt's odds of escaping an audit all ten years are practically zero. His odds of escaping an audit any particular year is very small.
Posted by: Mallamutt, RINO President for Life at August 06, 2012 11:25 PM (OWjjx)


I work for rich guys. They don't drop their tax return in the mailbox like you and I do. Their attorney's and accounts make an appointment with the IRS and deliver them with an overveiw of what's in them and start a relationship with whoever is going to reveiw them so they can answer any questions.

Romney's tax returns have more pages than Obama's memoir.

Posted by: robtr at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (MtwBb)

258 In the end, isn't that the point of home security systems, to get the bad guys to move on to the next house? Since I wasn't allowed to install the laser guided missile turrets my son wanted for home security, this is the best we could do.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:33 PM (RZ8pf)

259 Has anyone come up with a name-gate name for the Harry Reid is a pederast scandal that is shaking Washington to its core?

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:33 PM (5JwLu)

260 "8. Forcibly dragged into the operating room by Daddy for a then-experimental surgery called a lobotomy.
Posted by: IllTemperedCur"

Yeah, all that saintly advocating for the mentally retarded, when the truth is they caused the retardation.
Too bad Saint Rose didn't stand up for the girl.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 06, 2012 11:34 PM (HApF6)

261 Why in Hell doesn't Mitt just say: Like most folks with my income Iv'e been audited 6 of the last 10 years and if I hadn't paid my taxes I'd be in jail? End of discussion.

Posted by: CMU VET at August 06, 2012 11:34 PM (dPSpR)

262 Wow, has anyone else read the article over at Wired
called "How Apple and Amazon Security Flaws led to my Epic Hacking"? A
friend in computer security told me about it yesterday.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:29 PM (RZ8pf)


Haven't read it but I'm sure something like that could happen.

Posted by: Someone who still believes Anthony Weiner was HACKED at August 06, 2012 11:34 PM (lzvtR)

263 Gushka! Glad Jellybean and your kittehs are having a blast. Had all four kittens in lap earlier during thunder storms. Isis decided to put claws in my hand in her attempt to climb aboard. But its all good, they are fun.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 11:35 PM (HlJeY)

264 Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:33 PM (5JwLu)


I am floating "Searchlight Stalker" as a replacement for "strangler"......

maybe we can make Lunagate or something......

the awesome thing is he is a creepy looking self-entitled sneering bastard so mental imagery blends in to mocking his character.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 11:35 PM (LRFds)

265 Actually, I've realized that the woo-woo eco-freak Gaia worship is something we ought to encourage.

Follow my logic: right now, most liberals have a God-shaped hole in their souls. They don't have a sense of good and evil because they deny that such concepts even exist. That's why they judge their own worth by what other people think of them, which is why it's so important for them to advertise that they hold the Correct Opinions, etc.

All sad and tragic, but if they actually do take up neo-pagan nature worship, that's a step in the direction of genuine spiritual understanding. It's a winding, indirect path, but it could get them there eventually.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:36 PM (Rc0hz)

266 256 #235: Yep; Phelps and his rotten kinfolk are indeed Democrats.


I am tired, and over-Olympic-ed. I read that as "Michael" Phelps, and was wondering what he and his family had done to be rotten.

Then my brain woke up and I realized what you meant.

Just call me Moki Litella.

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:36 PM (dZmFh)

267 210 was John Denver married to a Kennady too?

Posted by: AlaskaGal at August 06, 2012 11:36 PM (8olVP)

268 Gary Jennings had the Aztec culture dead to rights in his first novel on the topic. It felt like a real place. A really fucked up place, what with the human sacrifices and the Chalcolithic tech and the cannibalism and the warfare just to get captives for torture - but, still, true to human nature. Also when you go and read actual histories on the topic... yeah, the Aztecs really did do all that shit.

Cortez did them all a favour.

(It was always the Incas whom I thought had been given a bum deal by History. But the Aztecs... yeah, they deserved Cortez.)

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 11:36 PM (QTHTd)

269
Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (dZmFh)

oh moki that is so sad and so uplifting!
I'm getting a little misty eyed, it must be the beer

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:36 PM (d/5qf)

270 258 In the end, isn't that the point of home security systems, to get the bad guys to move on to the next house? Since I wasn't allowed to install the laser guided missile turrets my son wanted for home security, this is the best we could do.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:33 PM (RZ8pf)

That is, in fact, the only function of any home security system.

I haven't found a better, more cost efficient security system than a big dog.

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:37 PM (IoNBC)

271 My little ginger!!!

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (dZmFh)
Dammit, moki, i got something in my eye reading that. What a little trooper she is. I want to get on the next plane to florida and give you both a huge hug. This will have to do {{{{{{}}}}}}

Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:37 PM (kpCLl)

272
>>Romney's tax returns have more pages than Obama's memoir.

Certainly less lies...or he'd be in an orange jumpsuit.

Posted by: garrett at August 06, 2012 11:37 PM (I27d2)

273 I haven't found a better, more cost efficient security system than a big dog.

Plus, Luke's a good guy and we get along well together.

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:38 PM (IoNBC)

274 All you need to know about Vidal: he called Timothy McVeigh a "noble boy" and befriended him.
Now you and the "noble boy" are together in hell.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 06, 2012 11:38 PM (EflcN)

275
Has anyone come up with a name-gate name for the Harry Reid is a pederast scandal that is shaking Washington to its core?
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:33 PM (5JwLu)





According to the AoSHQ Style Manual, all Demoncrat scandals are to use the "quiddick" suffix.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2012 11:38 PM (Rhie+)

276
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:36 PM (Rc0hz)


yup it just took at least as long as my name last time.....

and boy Nanzi Pelosi and Choom King sure do seem like quick learners.....

Posted by: 115,000 years at August 06, 2012 11:38 PM (LRFds)

277
Warren Buffett's tax returns are still being argued, by his lawyers....... from 2004.

Democrat icon, worldly financier, denture wearer.


The whole charade about Romney's taxes are to keep the Democrat base fired up about how outrageous these wealthy Republicans are.. Obama can squander BILLIONS of dollars of our money, but boy oh boy, that tricky Mormon Romney and his tax returns.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...Free Miss Marple! at August 06, 2012 11:38 PM (sJTmU)

278 #274: Thanks for the tip, Donna! I hadn't heard about that. Wow.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:39 PM (3yCFy)

279 I'm betting ampersands work from Lynx: Rock&Roll!

Posted by: Anachronda at August 06, 2012 11:39 PM (1c58W)

280 Gore Vidal's Messiah is one of my top ten favorite books. I reread it about once a year, and it gets funnier each time.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at August 06, 2012 11:39 PM (a5ljo)

281 Posted by: Donna V. at August 06, 2012 11:38 PM (EflcN)


along with the 9/11 hijackers, the Sikh shooter and lord willing soon Hasan and others.....

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 11:39 PM (LRFds)

282 moki your daughter is an angel. I am sure she will beat this.

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:39 PM (d/5qf)

283 263
Gushka! Glad Jellybean and your kittehs are having a blast. Had all four
kittens in lap earlier during thunder storms. Isis decided to put claws
in my hand in her attempt to climb aboard. But its all good, they are
fun.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 11:35 PM (HlJeY)

The little kitteh what plays fetch loves her, though in a rough big brother way, and the Nekkid kitteh thinks she is inoffensive, and possibly interesting. Jellybean is thrilled to have someone to play with other than poodles, and a world much larger and more interesting than the bedroom where she lived than her foster momma's. Jellybean is gonna be a star, like DD was. I can just feel it.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:40 PM (r7Ddb)

284 moki, what a strong girl! Continued prayers for all of you.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:40 PM (RZ8pf)

285 And, yes, it does seem that Motecuzoma the Younger was an insecure little man who made up for his weakness by piety. I knew about the penis-piercing, for instance. What I don't know is if this were a practice he'd inherited from his ancestors, or if he'd picked that up from the Maya.

Hole-ier than thou, one might say

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 11:41 PM (QTHTd)

286 Best wishes, moki.

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:41 PM (IoNBC)

287 Romney's tax returns have more pages than Obama's memoir.
And weren't fiction.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:41 PM (vDl/w)

288 Well, now that Gushka's here (aka Dr. Dolittle) the party can officially start. Just in time for me to call it a night.

Y'all have fun and please don't hump the furniture.

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:41 PM (6JLpG)

289 Blessings and prayers for you and yours, moki.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 06, 2012 11:42 PM (d6TfZ)

290 {{{Chemjeff}}} and {{{Peaches}}}}

Y'all are welcome down here anytime!!! And yeah, beer has been known to make one tear up-especially if it's really, really bad, or really, really good.

We will be okay, it's just going to be a long road. A bumpy one too, because she is a teenaged ginger. And since she's sick, she gets to take out all her teenaged angst on mom, because " I have to take it. it's in the mom contract." She will probably end up a lawyer.

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (dZmFh)

291 We have a dog too. That's what stopped them from getting in when they tried to break in before we got our security system. But, I wanted another layer of protection. Also, got video cameras installed so I can keep an eye on my back yard at night.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (RZ8pf)

292 Y'all have fun and please don't hump the furniture.
Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:41 PM (6JLpG)


But...

Its just sitting there, asking for it...

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (GULKT)

293 Has anyone come up with a name-gate name for the Harry Reid is a pederast scandal that is shaking Washington to its core?
Dickaquiddick.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (vDl/w)

294 How you doin'? (looks at couch..)

Posted by: catman at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (YKUmW)

295 Yes, I hope your daughter gets better, moki.

I do wish we had Star Trek technology. "waves a handheld wand around" Hey you're cured! Take it easy in the holosuite next time

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (QTHTd)

296 Praying for your daughter, Moki!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (3yCFy)

297
It's the classic accuse them of what we do. It won't work this time...

Posted by: KZnextzone at August 06, 2012 11:44 PM (UXEgP)

298 Any of you feel like an imminent threat to the planet tonight? This should disabuse you of that notion -

‘Super volcano’ could kill millions near site of Pompeii

http://tinyurl.com/ch9jtk7

Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 11:44 PM (c1WVm)

299 Plus she wants to put flames on it to "make it look
like I am going faster than I really am. "Cause I'm old. Maybe not in
years, but how I feel. You should just buy me prunes."



My little ginger!!!

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (dZmFh)


I was a sick teen in HS and my hair feel out at one point. (lupus is cruel that way) My best friend helped me through a LOT, the drunken sot. Tell your girl you know someone online who will say some extra prayers for her whose been through shit like this. If you Have miss tammys email, ask her for my email addy and i will talk to you about it, Moki. Lupus was the least of my worries at the time. Maybe i can help some.
are you in the group? i am but you wont recognize my nic there.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:44 PM (r7Ddb)

300 what ever happened to that loon Amy Bishop anyway? never heard another word about that crazy bitch, I wonder why Posted by: Peaches at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (kpCLl) I think I read here that DR. AMY BISHOP! recently got her ass kicked in prison.
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:18 PM (5JwLu)
Hah! Details! (I didn't detect a link.)

Posted by: Kalneva at August 06, 2012 11:45 PM (cQmXn)

301 Foxnews.com has new Curiosity pics.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:46 PM (5JwLu)

302 273 I haven't found a better, more cost efficient security system than a big dog.

Plus, Luke's a good guy and we get along well together.
Posted by: Scobface

Amen!!! We've worked with military security guys who swear by big dogs. Hence the Newf. He may not do much more than drool, but he's so intimidating, nobody is coming in.

And thanks for the good wishes Scobface and PGIS!!! We could use them!!! PGIS, how are you? It's been ages, so I hope you and your son are doing well!!

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:46 PM (dZmFh)

303 I work for rich guys. They don't drop their tax
return in the mailbox like you and I do. Their attorney's and accounts
make an appointment with the IRS and deliver them with an overveiw of
what's in them and start a relationship with whoever is going to reveiw
them so they can answer any questions.



Romney's tax returns have more pages than Obama's memoir.

Posted by: robtr at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (MtwBb)



Years ago the owner of the company I was working at passed away, the executors of his will used to meet with me weekly regarding the business and jokingly called filing the estate tax return as "the first offer to the IRS". And they were right. It took 5 years to settle the estate.

Wasn't too bad for me, they kept me around until they sold the business. Luckily they paid me handsomely to stay because they never would have gotten someone to come in to run it for only a few years.

Posted by: MrCaniac at August 06, 2012 11:46 PM (1grxW)

304 How bad were the Aztecs?

When a bunch of weird pale-skinned, bearded strangers showed up in giant boats with scary four-legged beasts and boomsticks, the Indian tribes looked at them, looked at their Aztec overlords, and said "Bienvenida, Senor Cortez!"

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:46 PM (Rc0hz)

305 "Warren Buffett's tax returns are still being argued, by his lawyers....... from 2004."


But he wants the rich to pay their secretaries, unlike the tax cheat Romney.

Posted by: Someone who still believes Anthony Weiner was HACKED at August 06, 2012 11:46 PM (lzvtR)

306 10. Being sandwiched between two fat, drunken, sweaty senators.
11. Being raped/having consensual sex, not clear which, while and drunken, fat, sweaty uncle is nearby, minus pants.

Posted by: nerdygirl at August 06, 2012 11:47 PM (HApF6)

307 Hah! Details! (I didn't detect a link.)
Posted by: Kalneva at August 06, 2012 11:45 PM (cQmXn)

Sorry, that's all I remember.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:47 PM (5JwLu)

308
301 Foxnews.com has new Curiosity pics.
Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:46 PM (5JwLu)


I just hope it doesn't start sending back data about what all its friends saw on mars.

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 11:48 PM (GULKT)

309 I apologize if this has already been posted at AOS, but talking about WTF, here's another load of puke from the Nevada pederast via Rich Lowry:


“We feel comfortable in the Senate,” he said. “Where the problem is, is this: Because of the Citizens United decision, Karl Rove and the Republicans are looking forward to a breakfast the day after the election. They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone. But these 17 angry old white men will say, ‘Hey, we just bought America. Wasn’t so bad. We still have a whole lot of money left.’”
Reid.is. insane.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 06, 2012 11:48 PM (EflcN)

310 Wait, is there any chance the Westboro freaks are actually frontmen purposefully working to discredit Christians and conservatives? I'd never really considered that.

I thought they were a scam trying to provoke people so they could sue. I knew they didn't really believe what they were doing.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 06, 2012 11:48 PM (ZPrif)

311 gushka - Lupus? How did you survive that? We had some lupus patients in college, it was assumed they were dying

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 11:48 PM (QTHTd)

312 {{moki}}
there is just so much sadness in the world.
okay I think that means it is time for bed for me.
good night and best wishes to your daughter moki

Posted by: chemjeff at August 06, 2012 11:49 PM (d/5qf)

313 "I just hope it doesn't start sending back data about what all its friends saw on mars.

Posted by: buzzion"

I know, right?! Every time I see that, I smell cat pee. ROFL!!

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 06, 2012 11:49 PM (d6TfZ)

314 We will be okay, it's just going to be a long road.

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:43 PM (dZmFh)


Sometimes it seems like half of us are here because we're "broken" or tending to someone broken.

{{hugs}} for moki and the broken ginger, in a non-creepy internet stranger sort of way, if that's possible.

At least I don't need a walker, most of the time!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2012 11:49 PM (bxiXv)

315 Naples is a metropolitan area of more than four million people -- and at least two active volcanic sites. They're pretty much living on top of a bomb.

On the other hand, the city's been around for about three thousand years now, so evidently that bomb has a loooong fuse.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:49 PM (Rc0hz)

316
I was a sick teen in HS and my hair feel out at one point. (lupus is cruel that way) My best friend helped me through a LOT, the drunken sot. Tell your girl you know someone online who will say some extra prayers for her whose been through shit like this. If you Have miss tammys email, ask her for my email addy and i will talk to you about it, Moki. Lupus was the least of my worries at the time. Maybe i can help some.
are you in the group? i am but you wont recognize my nic there.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:44 PM (r7Ddb)

God bless you Gushie!!! Are you in remission for lupus, or is it still active? And considering all that you do, taking care of the animals, your parents, Grim, all your friends, you are superwoman!!!

I don't have miss tammy's email, and I am not on the group because my computer fu is ridiculously bad-I can't figure it out, and I don't have the energy to try! But I will figure something out now!!!

Thanks everyone. I really do appreciate your thoughts and prayers. It's been a tough summer, and it will be a tough year for her, but she is tough, and you guys help keep us going. God bless you all!!!

Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:50 PM (dZmFh)

317 It was always the Incas whom I thought had been given a bum deal by History.
***
If you look at what the winning party in the Incan Civil War did to the losing party, I'm not so sure they weren't deserving of what they got.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2012 11:50 PM (AUeaU)

318 moki, best wishes to your daughter and you.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:50 PM (5JwLu)

319 288
Well, now that Gushka's here (aka Dr. Dolittle) the party can officially start. Just in time for me to call it a night.



Y'all have fun and please don't hump the furniture.

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:41 PM (6JLpG)

you have no idea. This morning at 0650 i was plucking a feral kitten out of the honeysuckle on the neighbors fence, its mom meowing pitifully at me to save her child. I musta gone back and forth over that fence 6 times before i gott kitten down, and popped through to the correct side of the fence, where momma cat could get it and carry it away by the neck, back to the hay barn. This is the brother to Soot, the tortie kitten i had to take for medical care after it climbed into the grass catcher of the dead lawnmower and it took too long to find her. Lucky for her i care, her moms love her, and i culd get her to help in the morning before it was too late. Poor Soot looked dead when it plopped her in the bucket full of towels...then promptly started to scream her tiny head off. Shes with a foster mom who will give her the best chance tho. Im almost sorry the kitten i caught yesterday had to be given back to its mom (it was sunday and the office wasnt open) or it would be with Soot

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:50 PM (r7Ddb)

320 And the Aztec's ancestors; mindset, emotions and self righteous entitlement, still flood our country and complain when LE enforces our laws.

Posted by: Hylozoic at August 06, 2012 11:51 PM (Vh0f5)

321 #309: Yeah, 'cause Reid's such a swarthy young Lothario, himself. And not at all wealthy or powerful.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:51 PM (3yCFy)

322 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 06, 2012 11:48 PM (ZPrif)

IIRC, the Westburo cult are comprised mostly of lawyers adept at litigation. How do you think they get the funds for their various "activities"?

Posted by: Kratos at August 06, 2012 11:51 PM (c1WVm)

323 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 06, 2012 11:48 PM (ZPrif)

Not mutually exclusive.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2012 11:51 PM (bxiXv)

324 "Bienvenida, Senor Cortez!"
***
The way I always put it is, Cortez wanted their gold - the Aztecs wanted their flesh.

Not a hard choice to make.

Posted by: 18-1 at August 06, 2012 11:51 PM (AUeaU)

325 Moki, prayers from me, too.

Now, goodnight for reals.

Posted by: Mindy at August 06, 2012 11:52 PM (6JLpG)

326 Reid is anything but insane. This man is a survivor to put Talleyrand to shame. By rights he should have lost to Angle, let alone to the guys who got pushed aside before Angle got the nomination.

Reid is playing to the base. This election is all about getting the Free Stuff voters resentful enough against "the 1%", and by the way fearful enough that they'll lose their local stop at the gravy train.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 06, 2012 11:52 PM (QTHTd)

327 So some little Chilean fella with a rapist mustache has just vaulted really well. He's probably a nice guy, but I swear his mug should be on the wall of my local post office.

Posted by: Hobbitopoly at August 06, 2012 11:52 PM (d6TfZ)

328 Actually, CJ -- I've got a neighbor with a pair of Bengals, who relates that they act like an odd hybrid of doggeh and kitteh personality traits. That, and they look faaaaabulous!

Posted by: cthulhu at August 06, 2012 11:52 PM (kaalw)

329 #310: That's my theory. See my comment, #256.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:52 PM (3yCFy)

330 or it would be with Soot

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:50 PM (r7Ddb)


Maybe Soot will come home with an "alien abduction story."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2012 11:53 PM (bxiXv)

331 yes Moki right now i am in remission from EVERYTHING. the drs are stunned. Except for my cardiologist who is just sure its because when i heal the horses, they heal me too.


Happiness, something meaningful to do, and love help ALOT. And dignity. but it sounds like shes got the attitude nailed.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:53 PM (r7Ddb)

332 Amen!!! We've worked with military security guys who swear by big dogs. Hence the Newf. He may not do much more than drool, but he's so intimidating, nobody is coming in.

Yeah. Don't get me started about Luke, or I'll get all sappy. He's just a big, stray, mutt--but he's become such a good friend.

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:54 PM (IoNBC)

333 Glad to hear you're doing so well, Gushka!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:54 PM (3yCFy)

334
greetings from Sanibel Island!

I have read The Face of Battle many times and if any of you care to, the section on the Battle of the Somme will overwhelm you with the scale of suffering.

Now I am going to climb back into my conch shell and disappear for another week or so. It has been a great vacation with the family.

Posted by: Jinx the Cat at August 06, 2012 11:55 PM (oviza)

335
Time to throwa turd into the swimming pool, or rather, I'll add my turd to all of the others bumping into one another...
What are the origins of theword 'poontang'.
Discuss.
(I came up with this at work today and just couldn't wait until the ONT was posted...)

Posted by: blindside at August 06, 2012 11:55 PM (ajjwb)

336 Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 06, 2012 11:48 PM (ZPrif)

not just a chance it is an even money bet that was the entire design....

they are a self-funding agitprop front for the radical donk agenda.....

look it is baked into the cake of Radicals who believe at all in marx....


Operation Trust (операция "Трест") was a counterintelligence
operation of the State Political Directorate (OGPU) of the Soviet Union.
The operation, which ran from 1921-1926, set up a fake anti-Bolshevik
underground organization, "Monarchist Union of Central Russia", MUCR
(Монархическое объединение Центральной России, МОЦР, in order to help
the OGPU identify real monarchists and anti-Bolsheviks.
The head
of the MUCR was Alexander Yakushev (Александр Александрович Якушев, a
former bureaucrat of Ministry of Communications of Imperial Russia, who
after the Russian Revolution joined the Narkomat of External Trade
(Наркомат внешней торговли, when the Soviets had to allow the former
specialists (called "specs", "спецы") to take positions of their
expertise. This position allowed him to travel abroad and contact
Russian emigrants.
MUCR kept the monarchist general Alexander
Kutepov (Александр Кутепов, head of a major emigrant force, Russian
All-Military Union ( Русский общевоинский союз, from active actions,
who was convinced to wait for the development of the internal
anti-Bolshevik forces.
Among the successes of Trust was the luring
of Boris Savinkov and Sidney Reilly into the Soviet Union to be
arrested and executed.
Some modern researchers say that there are
reasons to believe that both persons had doubts in MUCR, and they went
illegally into the Soviet Union for their own reasons, using MUCR as a
pretext.
The Soviets did not organize Trust from scratch. The
White Army had left agents behind who were sleepers and there were also
Royalist Russians who did not leave after the Civil War. These people
cooperated to the point of having a loose organizational structure. When
the OGPU discovered them, they did not liquidate them, but expanded the
organization for their own use.
Still another episode of the
operation was an "illegal" trip (in fact, monitored by OGPU) of a
notable emigree Vasily Shulgin into the Soviet Union. After his return
he published a book "Three Capitals" with his impressions. In the book
he wrote, in part, that contrary his expectations, Russia was reviving,
and bolsheviks would probably be removed from power.

Posted by: sven10077 at August 06, 2012 11:56 PM (LRFds)

337
Maybe Soot will come home with an "alien abduction story."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2012 11:53 PM (bxiXv)


I think Jellybean thought she was a defective poodle, till she met Mo and suddenly realized "wow! someone just like me!" Shes a real cuddlebug, when shes not doing acrobatic kitteh wrestling with her new brother.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:56 PM (r7Ddb)

338 #335: It looks like a Korean word to me. Probably made its way into English during the Korean War. That's my guess.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 06, 2012 11:56 PM (3yCFy)

339 On the other hand, the city's been around for about three thousand years now, so evidently that bomb has a loooong fuse.

It'll never happen to us!

Posted by: M. Holconius Priscus, candidate for duovir at August 06, 2012 11:57 PM (QTHTd)

340 @328 It really depends on the "F" factor on Bengals and what cat they breed the Asian leopard part to obtain the first cross..But, they can be some fine kittehs..

Posted by: catman at August 06, 2012 11:57 PM (YKUmW)

341 275


Has anyone come up with a name-gate name for the Harry Reid is a pederast scandal that is shaking Washington to its core?

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:33 PM (5JwLu)











According to the AoSHQ Style Manual, all Demoncrat scandals are to use the "quiddick" suffix.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at August 06, 2012 11:38 PM (Rhie+)

====
When you consider Harry's behavior together with his favorite age group the right spelling for that pronunciation might be "gay eight." So, I think the "quiddick" suffix would be a better choice.

Posted by: jc at August 06, 2012 11:57 PM (ufJKx)

342 The more I read about the Incas, the more obvious it becomes that the Spanish didn't destroy them so much as show up while the Incas were busily destroying themselves. It was not an ancient culture; the empire was founded in the early 1400s. The Inca Empire was only a little older than the Kingdom of Spain.

In fact, just about ALL New World political organizations seem to have had a very short shelf-life. The Aztecs were about a century old when Cortez arrived, the Mayans peaked between the 3rd and 9th centuries and were a shadow of what they had been by the time the Spanish took over. Up here in North America the huge city at Cahokia lasted about 600 years before being abandoned.

I don't know why, but building stable long-term political structures wasn't something the New World cultures did very well.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:57 PM (Rc0hz)

343 Shes a real cuddlebug, when shes not doing acrobatic kitteh wrestling with her new brother.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:56 PM (r7Ddb)


(sigh) Someday.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 06, 2012 11:58 PM (bxiXv)

344
335 Time to throwa turd into the swimming pool, or rather, I'll add my turd to all of the others bumping into one another...What are the origins of theword 'poontang'. Discuss.(I came up with this at work today and just couldn't wait until the ONT was posted...)
Posted by: blindside at August 06, 2012 11:55 PM (ajjwb)


Oh no not again. Lacey put you up to this didn't she.

Posted by: buzzion at August 06, 2012 11:59 PM (GULKT)

345 Reid babbled: "They are going to assemble 17 angry old white men for breakfast, some of them will slobber in their food, some will have scrambled eggs, some will have oatmeal, their teeth are gone"
Won't any of them have pancakes? Or yogurt? Are waffles reserved for Democrats? And you'd think rich old men would be able to afford dentures. Hell, 17 old Republicans who own the country aren't going around toothless - they'vegot gleaming choppers, because they stole them from the 99%.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 06, 2012 11:59 PM (EflcN)

346 Modern research says 95%+ of the deaths of the American Indian tribes were due to disease spread unknowingly. The overwhelming majority died before every seeing a white man as the diseases spread faster than the colonists did. So annoying the genocide accusation gets thrown about. So ignorant.

Also, there's no such thing as an indigenous people. Every race, group, or tribe that controlled a square inch of earth in 1500 AD took it from another, weaker tribe that had it first. Usually with a lot of murder and rape in the process. No group arose spontaneously from the land they live on.

The story of humanity is one of constant displacement as the stronger tribe said, "Hey, nice hunting ground, fishing spot, grazing land, farming valley, you got. Just so you know, my tribe has 2x the guys of your tribe so, uh, we're gonna take it. You got 2 days to leave. Also, we're gonna keep some of your women. Mainly the young, pretty ones. Nice talk."

And that was about as peaceful as it got. The rest of the time it was just ambushes and rocks upside heads.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 06, 2012 11:59 PM (ZPrif)

347 w i am in remission from EVERYTHING. the drs are stunned. Except for my cardiologist who is just sure its because when i heal the horses, they heal me too.


Happiness, something meaningful to do, and love help ALOT. And dignity. but it sounds like shes got the attitude nailed.
Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 06, 2012 11:53 PM (r7Ddb)


You go girl!!! I hope you are working on your book, because that would a heck of a lot more inspirational for kids than most of what is out there!! A friend is watching his 15 year old son succumb to aggressive brain cancer-the young man has been strong and upbeat throughout the whole process. And he has stayed alive weeks longer than they originally gave him.

I don't know why so much pain is out there. I feel like we are so blessed compared to so many. And I am really blessed by all of you guys! Thanks!!

Posted by: moki at August 07, 2012 12:00 AM (dZmFh)

348 Oh no not again. Lacey put you up to this didn't she.

HA!

Posted by: Scobface at August 07, 2012 12:00 AM (IoNBC)

349 gushka - well, for what it is worth, I am glad that G-d has seen fit to set you loose on the world for as long as He has.

"Something meaningful to do", I think, counts for a lot...

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:00 AM (QTHTd)

350 235

I thought Ted Nugent invented it? I was just a small lass, though, at the time, so... But that's the first time I heard of it.

Posted by: Kalneva at August 07, 2012 12:01 AM (cQmXn)

351 anyway Iron Felix started the operation and it enraged Stalin......

They captured Savinkoff, Reilley and a few others but the Soviets made tens of millions of dollars in donations to "fight the Bolzheviks" Reilley was in all probability sent or aided in entering the Soviet union through Finland by C and the British Secret Service to gague the credibility of the organization......

the capture of both Savinkoff and Reilley undermined the credibility of the false flag but for the germination period of the exile of the White Russian forces the NKVD was running the main financial body of the Soviet Union AND its main foes.......

they are not very smart, and they are decidedly not honest but they are cunning.....

the main downside is they are not big on critical self-analysis and rethinking paradigms.....

Saul Alinsky is a poor man's imitation Lenin

Posted by: sven10077 at August 07, 2012 12:01 AM (LRFds)

352 #336: Good info, Sven! And I'd like to add... when have you ever heard an elected Democrat specifically condemn the WBC or Fred Phelps by name?

Consider how they talked about, say, Ted Haggard... only conservatives ever have anything bad to say about Phelps or his so-called church.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:01 AM (3yCFy)

353 "By rights he should have lost to Angle"


I did, if by lost you mean received fewer legitimate votes. But I "won" after SEIU and my casino cronies worked their magic.

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 07, 2012 12:02 AM (lzvtR)

354 I don't know why, but building stable long-term political structures wasn't something the New World cultures did very well.
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:57 PM (Rc0hz)


I don't know who *started* it, but a number of those cultures discouraged or forbade literacy.

Kind of a Career Limiting Move for a civilization.

Also, the fatalism and the agriculture that depended more on weather than ours. Also, probably plenty of stuff I don't know (and others nobody knows now, because they Didn't Write That Shit Down).

WTF happened to the Moche, anyway? *Pop* gone!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:02 AM (bxiXv)

355 "I could tell the guy was a liberal because he used BCE and called Israel Palestine."

Kind of goofy, Palestine was what the area was called by the Romans when they conquered the place in 63 BC, so calling it that before then is just being a lousy historian.

BCE is just flat stupid. Its a pathetic attempt to get away from Christian-centric nomenclature, but why is non-Christian-centric better? And what happened between 1 BCE and 1 CE to make that the dividing line? You can't get away from Christ in that setting no matter what.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:02 AM (r4wIV)

356
I don't know why, but building stable long-term political structures wasn't something the New World cultures did very well.
***
Prior to Rome couldn't you say the same about Europe and the Mediterranean?

And the American Indians were at pre-Roman technology...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 07, 2012 12:02 AM (AUeaU)

357 The trouble you can get with Bengals is that they are extremely active cats. Extreeeeemely.

You have to burn that off or they will drive you mad or go mad themselves.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:03 AM (rzSn3)

358 "Something meaningful to do", I think, counts for a lot...

Absolutely. With the kids I've worked with, the "something" is taking care of THEIR loved ones.

There are no words.

Posted by: Scobface at August 07, 2012 12:03 AM (IoNBC)

359 The mighty OED says poontang comes from French putaine, meaning "whore" -- but they don't have a firm derivation. Still, it shows up first in Southern U.S. usage, which kind of rules out an Asian origin.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 07, 2012 12:03 AM (Rc0hz)

360 Up here in North America the huge city at Cahokia lasted about 600 years before being abandoned.

I don't know why, but building stable long-term political structures wasn't something the New World cultures did very well.
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:57 PM (Rc0hz)

600 years isn't bad.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:03 AM (5JwLu)

361 BCE is just flat stupid. Its a pathetic attempt to get away from
Christian-centric nomenclature, but why is non-Christian-centric better?
And what happened between 1 BCE and 1 CE to make that the dividing
line? You can't get away from Christ in that setting no matter what.
***
I think I know another time frame we could use.

Before BO
Anno BO

Posted by: President Precedent at August 07, 2012 12:04 AM (AUeaU)

362 Reid is just a nasty sack of crap. Unfortunately he's not the exception.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:04 AM (bxiXv)

363 Posted by: blindside at August 06, 2012 11:55 PM (ajjwb)

As far as I know, that term was invented by The Rock in conjunction with "pie".

I heard that during a WWF match; The Rock was taunting somebody (I don't remember who). I honestly didn't get the full gist of that phrase until one of my more learned friends explained it to me.

It wasn't used during a Shannon Tweed flick, .

Posted by: Kratos at August 07, 2012 12:04 AM (c1WVm)

364 I don't know why, but building stable long-term political structures wasn't something the New World cultures did very well.
***
Prior to Rome couldn't you say the same about Europe and the Mediterranean?

And the American Indians were at pre-Roman technology...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 07, 2012 12:02 AM (AUeaU)

Not in the least - Egypt and the Mideast Cultures lasted.

A big issue with the New World was the total lack of draft and meat animals larger than a guinea pig. That's why they used each other.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:05 AM (rzSn3)

365 Poontang, off the top of my head. Its a borrow word from Tagalog, language native to the Philippines.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:05 AM (HlJeY)

366 Kind of goofy, Palestine was what the area was called by the Romans when they conquered the place in 63 BC, so calling it that before then is just being a lousy historian.

It happened after that. When the Romans scattered the population from their uprisings. Pissed off the emperor so he struck the name of their land and renamed it after their enemies.

Posted by: buzzion at August 07, 2012 12:05 AM (GULKT)

367 What are the origins of theword 'poontang'.
Discuss.
(I came up with this at work today and just couldn't wait until the ONT was posted...)
Posted by: blindside

My Marine husband said pootang was candy. I admit some doubt as to the truth of this.

Posted by: moki at August 07, 2012 12:05 AM (dZmFh)

368 #359: Vietnam, perhaps? The word had to get its Asian flavor somewhere, and Vietnam used to be a French colony.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:05 AM (3yCFy)

369 BCE is just flat stupid.

I write BC/AD here and BCE/CE in my articles. But then my articles are about Islam - so my main dating system has to be AH.

As for the dating system in the Near East around 600 AD: they didn't use AD. They used AG. This was the Seleucid era; the year after Alexander the Great. Also in use was the year of whichever king was ruling. Sometimes if they were especially pious, they used the year after the creation of the world, Anno Mundi.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:06 AM (QTHTd)

370 Evening all. Maet, you outdid yourself on tonight's ONT.Octo-Mom, Vidal, Thorazine AND the Olympics. Nice package

Posted by: zeera at August 07, 2012 12:07 AM (XtxRN)

371 I really need to put up for adoption two of the male kittehs, Going on four months old. Coffee and Roo.

Moki, tell your daughter she is awesome.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:07 AM (HlJeY)

372 Prior to Rome, you had the Egyptian monarchy which ruled the whole country for nearly two thousand years before getting conquered by the Persians. You also had the Babylonian empire (300 years) and the Assyrian kingdom (800 years).

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 07, 2012 12:08 AM (Rc0hz)

373 BCE is just flat stupid.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:02 AM (r4wIV)


Someone asked me what BCE was and I said "Before Christ, Euphemistically."

You could be even more of an ass and say "Before Christian Era," being the era we're in now.

At least they didn't frame it on another event and screw up the dating systems even more.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:08 AM (bxiXv)

374 Not in the least - Egypt and the Mideast Cultures lasted.


***
A big issue with the New World was the total lack of draft and meat
animals larger than a guinea pig. That's why they used each other.

Before Rome you had Lydia, the various Greek States, the various Punic States (ok 2), then the Persians, then more Greeks, then the Romans and then no one that lasted particularly long for a LONG time.

I guess Egypt counts as a Mediterranean civilization, but they were an interesting outlier.

And the new world had horses - someone just ate them all...

Posted by: 18-1 at August 07, 2012 12:09 AM (AUeaU)

375 Yep, they have started using the Curiosity success already. Charlie the NASA admin was at Wolf Trap, where they did a symphony with that very cool 7 Minutes of .. video playing behind the orchestra. He spoke and said, blah, blah, blah, president Obama's Mars initiatives, blah, blah, blah, and his great and visionary plans, blah, blah, blah, ... well, you get the idea. No, they did not provide barf bags.

Posted by: and irresolute at August 07, 2012 12:09 AM (Q492A)

376 What possibly killed the native North American horses along with Smilodon, and giant ground sloths was a Cosmic ray burst that also reset many C-14 clocks across north central United States.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:11 AM (HlJeY)

377 BCE is just flat stupid. Its a pathetic attempt to get away from
Christian-centric nomenclature, but why is non-Christian-centric better?
And what happened between 1 BCE and 1 CE to make that the dividing
line? You can't get away from Christ in that setting no matter what.


Not even the Jacobin's attempt to decimalize time like they did during the French Revolution really took.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (sZTYJ)

378 I was awake for the landing of Curiosity. Post landing press conference Obama got mentioned twice.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (HlJeY)

379 What possibly killed the native North American horses along with
Smilodon, and giant ground sloths was a Cosmic ray burst that also reset
many C-14 clocks across north central United States.


Eh. So what about us?

Posted by: American Bison at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (zMouK)

380 But Curiosity started up before Obama was elected to the presidency, how can he take credit for it, except to not cancel the program? Is that enough these days? To have not destroyed something?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (r4wIV)

381 371-Thanks Anna, although she might get
"the big head!!" I would love to take a kitty off your hands, but since ours has been peeing on the laundry lately, I won't push the issue!

Gnight everyone, sleep well, dream sweet, and God bless!

Posted by: moki at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (dZmFh)

382 You bison lucked out. As opposed to the mammoths and other large animals.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:13 AM (HlJeY)

383 And the new world had horses - someone just ate them all...
Posted by: 18-1 at August 07, 2012 12:09 AM (AUeaU)


Those ecologically aware natives in the stone age wiped out the megafauna, pretty much.

There were a lot of earlier die offs, but in all the others the survivors were able to adapt back up into new large animals. Once humans reach a certain tech level, this stops.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:13 AM (rzSn3)

384 Please explain to me, exactly, how bammy gets credit for any NASA accomplishments? When he defunded it and said that its goal, henceforth, was to stroke the Islamic ego and credit them for mathematics and such?

Posted by: Kalneva at August 07, 2012 12:13 AM (cQmXn)

385 how can he take credit for it, except to not cancel the program? Is that enough these days? To have not destroyed something?

For Obama, not destroying something is a signal achievement.

Posted by: Cicero at August 07, 2012 12:14 AM (zMouK)

386 Man Up, the Martian Warlords have declared battle against us Earthlings for introducing the SUV to foreign soil..

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 07, 2012 12:14 AM (BVkEs)

387 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (HlJeY)


yup....

General Manly Throw McMomJeans is a man of many hats.....when not leading the 69th Course Assault Division into battle he moonlights as a doctor, and a rocket scientist.......


Posted by: sven10077 at August 07, 2012 12:14 AM (LRFds)

388 Well Moki, they are outside kittehs. Though they do love love hiding and hunting each other in the house also. Keeps life intersting though right now got to kill the fleas they brought inside.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (HlJeY)

389 And the new world had horses - someone just ate them all...

BURP!

Posted by: Barack Obama, Time Bandit Reject at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (sZTYJ)

390 It bothers me that NASA is going along with this crap. Look I love the space program and its neat they dropped the thing down safely but... praising Obama for it? Seriously?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (r4wIV)

391 Christopher Taylor: Well, the frogs tried to get rid of the Christian calendar during the Revolution. Their calendar counted the years from the date the French Republic was created (clearly a far more important date to themankind than the year Christ was born). Themonths were renamed "Snowy" "Windy""Hot" etc and instead of days honoring saints, days were named after vegetables, tools, oranimals. It didn't last, cause even the frogs felt sillysaying "I'll see you on GooseDay, a week afterCauliflower Day."

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (EflcN)

392 I'd like to point out that the OED is a good source, but far from a perfect one. There are multiple holes in it. For example, the word "uh-huh". The OED describes its etymology simply as "American slang" for "yes".

But the word actually came from the Cherokee. Proof:
http://www.cherokee.org/AboutTheNation/Wordlist.aspx
Enter "yes" in the English field, then click "Search". Pressing Enter gets you funny results, so make sure you click the button using your mouse.

I suspect there's a similar hole between "putaine" and "poontang". Vietnam strikes me as the most likely source. Consider that the South sends a disproportionate number of young men into military service.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (3yCFy)

393 Man Up, the Martian Warlords have declared battle against us Earthlings for introducing the SUV to foreign soil..

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 07, 2012 12:14 AM (BVkEs)


Taste the wrath of my Illudium Q-36 Space Modulator!

Posted by: Marvin the Martian at August 07, 2012 12:16 AM (sZTYJ)

394 praising Obama for it? Seriously?

We should be grateful that there wasn't an acknowledgment of Mohammed's key role.

Posted by: Cicero at August 07, 2012 12:16 AM (zMouK)

395 I keep coming back to the Incas. . .

The Incas may have lost the horse and camel, but they did retain something like the *donkey* - the llama. So the Incas were able to move goods up and down the Andes.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:16 AM (QTHTd)

396 Unfortunately, the site that originally posted this about the Phelps gang is no longer alive (although I haven't used the Wayback Machine on it yet) but there was this there and more (that unfortunately is lost to posterity):

...In fact, it appears that Westboro has created not just an incredibly vulgar and non-Christlike approach to homosexuality, but that it's working on a new religion altogether, complete with new scriptures.

Members of WBC generally avoid the name "Christian" when referring to themselves, preferring the mysterious term "Tachmonite." This apparently refers to a servant of King David's, but I'm not sure of the derivation or the intention.

The Tachmonites believe Phelps is "the last prophet," with the power to determine who will be damned and who will be saved. They themselves, as followers of Phelps, also have the power to condemn souls to hell. Most people are destined for hell, but "Good Samaritans" who help the Tachmonites (for example, police officers who prevent counter-protesters from assaulting them) may be offered an indeterminate "reward" for their good conduct. Apparently "sola fide" is not part of the Tachmonites' creed.

The new scriptures consist of the group's own writings, which are divided into two categories: "delectable epics" and "letters to heretics."

The "delectable epics" (the term is the group's) are based loosely on Acts in the New Testament. The epics detail the Tachmonites' various protests against gays, President Bush, Elton John concerts, and the military and portray the Tachmonites alternately as invincible "super heroes" and defenseless victims of brutal rage. Some of the epics are in prose, and some in poetry.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:16 AM (vDl/w)

397 385
how can he take credit for it, except to not cancel the program? Is that enough these days? To have not destroyed something?

For Obama, not destroying something is a signal achievement.


Posted by: Cicero at August 07, 2012 12:14 AM (zMouK)

I feel sorry for the NASA engineers, their project's lifespan can now be measured in days instead of years....it was given the Obama credit, its doomed.

Posted by: Red Shirt at August 07, 2012 12:17 AM (FIDMq)

398 I've read two of Keegan's books on WWII and they're awesome. RIP Sir. You passed on with much more grace than your homeland.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 07, 2012 12:17 AM (Bfy/y)

399 What possibly killed the native North American horses along with
Smilodon, and giant ground sloths was a Cosmic ray burst that also reset
many C-14 clocks across north central United States.

Eh. So what about us?
Posted by: American Bison at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (zMouK)

I'm a little tired of every extinction event being blamed on astronomy these days.

One reason the buffalo survived longer was they lived on the plains which the indians avoided until they got imported horses and could go chase the herds and return to their villages.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:17 AM (rzSn3)

400 And its a nuclear powered SUV on Mars.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:17 AM (HlJeY)

401 ANIMAL MOTHER: Freedom? You'd better flush out your head, new guy. This isn't about freedom; this is a slaughter. If I'm gonna get my balls blown off for a word, my word is "poontang."

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:17 AM (r4wIV)

402 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:12 AM (r4wIV)

No, you can also claim victory for something like *jobs* that you have utterly destroyed.

Posted by: Kalneva at August 07, 2012 12:17 AM (cQmXn)

403 night 'rons

Remember - no Ragu on the Waygu...

Posted by: catman at August 07, 2012 12:18 AM (YKUmW)

404 I took a trip out West a few years ago and visited some of the pueblo archaeological sites. It was funny to hear the park rangers talk about how they lived in harmony with nature -- which we know because we can sift through the ENORMOUS GARBAGE PILES they left behind.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 07, 2012 12:18 AM (Rc0hz)

405 386 Man Up, the Martian Warlords have declared battle against us Earthlings for introducing the SUV to foreign soil..

We'd better get up some kick-ass loudspeakers playing Slim Whitman's "Indian Love Call" pronto!

That movie was seriously fucked up.

Posted by: Kratos at August 07, 2012 12:18 AM (c1WVm)

406 I don't know why, but building stable long-term political structures wasn't something the New World cultures did very well.


Posted by: Trimegistus at August 06, 2012 11:57 PM (Rc0hz)


Banana republics are due to something in the water?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:18 AM (kaalw)

407 I was wrong on origin of poontang, but that is how we learn.

If Wiki is right this is funny -

Cooties - from the common Austronesian and Tagalog word kuto which literally means "head lice".

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:20 AM (HlJeY)

408 #406: More likely, it's due to a lack of Christian influence.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:20 AM (3yCFy)

409 "It was funny to hear the park rangers talk about how they lived in harmony with nature -- which we know because we can sift through the ENORMOUS GARBAGE PILES they left behind."

There's places in the Appalachian Mountains where the natives were so hard on the plants and ground that hardly anything grows there to this day. The only reason they didn't do more damage is that they were too few in number.

I'll never forget David Suzuki praising an Aboriginal group in Australia that vanished, saying they were so great because they left almost no sign of having ever been there. I was yelling at the screen "THAT'S WHY THEY ARE ALL GONE DAVE!"

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:21 AM (r4wIV)

410 It was funny to hear the park rangers talk about how they lived in
harmony with nature -- which we know because we can sift through the
ENORMOUS GARBAGE PILES they left behind.


It was a goddamn boy scout jamboree on the plains before the white man showed up. Just ask the Apaches and the Pueblo Indians.

Posted by: The Comanches at August 07, 2012 12:21 AM (zMouK)

411 andycanuck: Thanks for posting that bit about the Phelps theology. I've cut and pasted it into a Word document - it will come in handy the next time I see a lefty blathering about how the Westboro church is representive of Christianity.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 12:22 AM (EflcN)

412 I took a trip out West a few years ago and visited some of the pueblo archaeological sites. It was funny to hear the park rangers talk about how they lived in harmony with nature -- which we know because we can sift through the ENORMOUS GARBAGE PILES they left behind.
Posted by: Trimegistus at August 07, 2012 12:18 AM (Rc0hz)


I think you have to say that part to get your grant these days.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:22 AM (rzSn3)

413 andycanuck- that rates pretty high on the "fucked up o meter". Like, Krakauer "Banner Of Heaven" high.

Ahh, Montanism... amusing the Christians and atheists since 160 AD. (Or CE.)

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:22 AM (QTHTd)

414 Or examaning the garbage dumps of Maori villages in New Zealand. The further back in time one digs through those dumps, the more rich the flora of those islands were. The Maori pretty much hunted everything to extinction.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:22 AM (HlJeY)

415 It bothers me that NASA is going along with this
crap. Look I love the space program and its neat they dropped the thing
down safely but... praising Obama for it? Seriously?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (r4wIV)


If Obama gets a second term, every statement by a government official will be preceded by some variation of: Thanks to President Obama.

Posted by: Harry Reid at August 07, 2012 12:22 AM (lzvtR)

416 392
I'd like to point out that the OED is a good source, but far from a
perfect one. There are multiple holes in it. For example, the word
"uh-huh". The OED describes its etymology simply as "American slang" for
"yes".

But the word actually came from the Cherokee. Proof:
http://www.cherokee.org/AboutTheNation/Wordlist.aspx
Enter
"yes" in the English field, then click "Search". Pressing Enter gets
you funny results, so make sure you click the button using your mouse.

I
suspect there's a similar hole between "putaine" and "poontang".
Vietnam strikes me as the most likely source. Consider that the South
sends a disproportionate number of young men into military service.



Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (3yCFy)

Actually, it probably did come from French, and from the South. New Orleans was probably a place that some Southerners went to visit, especially for some of its, uh, "charms".

Posted by: MrCaniac at August 07, 2012 12:23 AM (1grxW)

417 There's places in the Appalachian Mountains where the natives were so
hard on the plants and ground that hardly anything grows there to this
day. The only reason they didn't do more damage is that they were too
few in number.


It also takes a certain level of technology to do real damage. If all you can do is sit under a hide to stay out of the rain, you're going to live in harmony with nature whether you like it or not.

Posted by: Cicero at August 07, 2012 12:23 AM (zMouK)

418 9. Dying in an small aircraft crash flying in dense haze over water.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (vDl/w)



At night and minus the proper training.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (5JwLu)


With a broken ankle.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:23 AM (X3lox)

419 Cooties - from the common Austronesian and Tagalog word kuto which literally means "head lice".
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:20 AM (HlJeY)


I knew cooties was slang for lice. Didn't know the derivation.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:23 AM (rzSn3)

420 I wonder if the massive piles of human corpses the Comanches left behind were bad for the environment.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:24 AM (QTHTd)

421 Interesting! Thanks for the info, Andy! That's definitely worthy of further study.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:24 AM (3yCFy)

422 Kidaquiddick.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:24 AM (vDl/w)

423 Hey Andycanuck did you mention that Fred Phelps and Al Gore are friends?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:25 AM (HlJeY)

424 happy Hiroshima Day!


Boy could we stick it to our enermies back then.


War was for winning , now

Posted by: Jake in ID at August 07, 2012 12:25 AM (xvh1d)

425 Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:17 AM (rzSn3)

Yeah, pinning extinctions of celestial whacks of one sort or another is the latest fad.

The exact cause of extinction is pretty much impossible to pin down. Folks should just lay out a few plausible scenarios and be happy with that.

I figure when a species population gets to a certain critical value it can recover or go tits up and there is no logic to it because chance rules when critical values are approached.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:25 AM (5JwLu)

426 It bothers me that NASA is going along with this crap. Look I love the space program and its neat they dropped the thing down safely but... praising Obama for it? Seriously?



Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:15 AM (r4wIV)


They're "his sons".

NASA went whole hog for taking muslim outreach as one of their main missions. This is nothing by comparison.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:25 AM (X3lox)

427 Oldcat, why English is a great language. It willingly mugs other languages for useful words and phrases.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:25 AM (HlJeY)

428 418
9. Dying in an small aircraft crash flying in dense haze over water.


Posted by: andycanuck at August 06, 2012 11:15 PM (vDl/w)





At night and minus the proper training.



Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (5JwLu)



With a broken ankle.


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:23 AM (X3lox)


====

But he had fabulous judgement, a low risk demeanor, and would have made a perfect president.

Posted by: lefty press at August 07, 2012 12:26 AM (ufJKx)

429 Or examaning the garbage dumps of Maori villages in New Zealand. The further back in time one digs through those dumps, the more rich the flora of those islands were. The Maori pretty much hunted everything to extinction.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:22 AM (HlJeY)


Repeat on every other island that gets a good population. All that's left are domestic pigs and inedible birds.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:26 AM (rzSn3)

430 Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:21 AM (r4wIV)

David Suzuki is a spittle-flecking nutbag.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:26 AM (bxiXv)

431 #416: True, that is another possible link, but it doesn't seem likely to me that it would change to look like an Asian word from the Cajuns.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:26 AM (3yCFy)

432 If Obama gets a second term, every statement by a government official will be preceded by some variation of: Thanks to President Obama.
Posted by: Harry Reid at August 07, 2012 12:22 AM (lzvtR)

Like the N.K. Weightlifter giving praise to Kim Jong Il for his gold medal. Puke.

Posted by: Kalneva at August 07, 2012 12:26 AM (cQmXn)

433 At night and minus the proper training.

Posted by: eman at August 06, 2012 11:16 PM (5JwLu)

This is the VFR pilot in IFR conditions.

Almost always a bad place to be

Posted by: Jake in ID at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (xvh1d)

434 happy Hiroshima Day!





Boy could we stick it to our enermies back then.





War was for winning , now

Posted by: Jake in ID at August 07, 2012 12:25 AM (xvh1d)


That was unethical. Winning is unethical.

Troglodytes.

Posted by: Jack Marshall, Grand Ethical Inquisitor at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (X3lox)

435 I just realized: August 6 has come and gone and I didn't see a single bit of leftist guilt-mongering about Hiroshima.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (Rc0hz)

436 I'm sitting here in the dark listening to Enya, relaxing before I bag it as the bed cools down from today's heat. Does that make me less of a man?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (r4wIV)

437 I figure when a species population gets to a certain critical value it can recover or go tits up and there is no logic to it because chance rules when critical values are approached.
Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:25 AM (5JwLu)

Even in the Dino Killer event, the last few million years before there were drastic declines in the 'evenness' of the population...all the Dinos were of just a few kinds, so if something kills them that's it

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:28 AM (rzSn3)

438 The Phelps gang are also registered Democrats, Donna. So keep that on-file in the memory bank for future use against jerks as well.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:29 AM (vDl/w)

439 I figure the bulk of the dinosaurs died in sort of a Wiley E Coyote realization that they were too big and silly to sustain life.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:29 AM (r4wIV)

440 But he had fabulous judgement, a low risk demeanor, and would have made a perfect president.


Posted by: lefty press at August 07, 2012 12:26 AM (ufJKx)


No big deal. We still have Caroline fresh and ready to go. She'll have taken a real job by the time 2016 comes around, though that is no longer a serious requirement ... Perfect for the Kennedy Clan!

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:29 AM (X3lox)

441 I admit the Cosmic ray event is not really a smoking gun. Since as you have pointed out humans had already crossed the land bridge. It could have been a synergy of events. Giant ground sloth versus Clovis armed hunters... humans win. And with Cosmic radiation possibly causing a mutation in maize so humans could get corn, things just snow balled. Unless we can get a TARDIS or a time machine, we really won't know.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:29 AM (HlJeY)

442 @335, you never want to over-think poontang.
It's World War One, and it's how a drawling American pronounces the French word "putain."

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 12:30 AM (qaVK+)

443 436 I'm sitting here in the dark listening to Enya, relaxing before I bag it as the bed cools down from today's heat. Does that make me less of a man?
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (r4wIV)


Oh Hell No.

Enya's voice is the audio equivalent of Gemma Atkinson's picture.

You're listening to softcore porn. Very Moron.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:31 AM (bxiXv)

444 I didn't know about them and Gore. Kinda like the Clintons and a ton of other liberal-left Democrats and Jim Jones of the Jonestown massacre.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:31 AM (vDl/w)

445 As far as Indians living peacefully with the Earth and in small numbers goes, it may not be entirely true. Apparently, there were over 100 million Indians in what's now the US at one point, but they lost a huge number of people to the bubonic plague a few years before the Pilgrims landed.

You may have heard about Squanto's time in Europe, and his return to find his entire village wiped out by the Black Death.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:31 AM (3yCFy)

446 Just dont ponder Enya and her links to the IRA. Just chill and enjoy the music. Down the Orinoco Flow.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:31 AM (HlJeY)

447 I wonder if the massive piles of human corpses the Comanches left behind were bad for the environment.
Biodegradable so they get a pass.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:32 AM (vDl/w)

448 Native Americans burned down enormous areas of forest to create game preserves.

The newcomers looked at what they were doing and said, "Damn, that's pretty fucked up."

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:32 AM (5JwLu)

449 Kidaquiddick.
Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:24 AM (vDl/w)


That's it!

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:33 AM (5JwLu)

450 Tonight's treat is a beer with an ace of spades on each bottlecap -- Four in Hand River Card wheat -- http://beeradvocate.com/beer/profile/21092/81881/?ba=Redrover .

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:33 AM (kaalw)

451 Jim Jones was an out and out socialist with a god complex that Stalin could almost envy. And thanks to him, we got the term 'drinking the Kool-Aid.' He only killed/murdered over 900 people who believed in him as he brain washed them into loving socialism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:33 AM (HlJeY)

452 Re: extinction events and cosmic events - being either for *OR* against an idea because it's a fad is silly.

What happened happened, occasionally we can find out what it was.

There is a dating controversy over North American carbon dating because *something* happened circa 14kya to fuck it up.

Because our solid history is so short, we have a prejudice against sudden massive changes that flies in the face of geological history. Big Things Happen, and we think of them as so far in the past they can't affect us, but geologically speaking it was only a moment ago.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:34 AM (bxiXv)

453 It could have been a synergy of events. Giant ground sloth versus Clovis armed hunters... humans win. And with Cosmic radiation possibly causing a mutation in maize so humans could get corn, things just snow balled. Unless we can get a TARDIS or a time machine, we really won't know.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:29 AM (HlJeY)

I agree - I think a climatalogic change 'stressed' the continent, killing some outright and weakening other species. Usually in this case predators die out too, but humans survive far better and thus the predation pressure never relaxes. Then the human hunter works down the size chain, keeping any midsized species from developing size unless it can migrate from an area without humans.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:34 AM (rzSn3)

454
Chaps-(and-Cowboy-Poetry)-aquiddick.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 12:34 AM (PHytk)

455
Zombie

I stopped by a cafe, only to find a member of Q.U.I.T — Queers Undermining Israeli Terrorism — seated at a table, enjoyed the free wi-fi. The front of her shirt had the other name for the same group, “Queers for Palestine.”





Her? Whoa, not even close to my first guess.

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 07, 2012 12:34 AM (kdS6q)

456 436
I'm sitting here in the dark listening to Enya, relaxing before I bag it
as the bed cools down from today's heat. Does that make me less of a
man?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (r4wIV)


Depends on the visuals you're fapping to.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:35 AM (kaalw)

457 (remember, authors, what a single act of kindness can do for others)
__________________________________________
This is certainly not anywhere near the same league as VDH's experience with Keegan, but it's a warm memory for me all the same. When I was a horse crazy 11 year old girl, I loved the books of children's author Marguerite Henry so much I wrote her a letter (and included a picture I had drawn of a horse. I was proud of how well I could draw horses.) Months later, I got a letter back from her - and not a form letter. She apologized for having taken so long to write back because whenshe got my letter she and her husband were in the process of moving to California. She answered some questions I asked her and complimented me on my drawing. Such a small thing, and yet, she made a little girl so happy. A real author had written to me! I still have that letter and I still am touched by the woman's kindness.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 12:35 AM (EflcN)

458 She was a pretty shapeless lump, so yeah, hard to guess. Even with a non blurred face I'm guessing it took a while to make the call.

If there's a big collapse of civilization, people like that will be the first to die, not from riots or violence, but out of sheer ignorance how to live without a barrista and a store to buy brie and arugala.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:36 AM (r4wIV)

459 The front of her shirt had the other name for the same group, “Queers for Palestine.”

LOL. I'd love to drop someone in Gaza wearing that t-shirt. They'd last about 15 minutes.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:36 AM (X3lox)

460 You may have heard about Squanto's time in Europe, and his return to find his entire village wiped out by the Black Death.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:31 AM (3yCFy)


They also picked up diseases from European fisherman on the Grand Banks, landing to check things out.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:37 AM (rzSn3)

461 Anna: U2 may be hypocritical liberals, but they retained enough moral sense always to shun the IRA. ("Sunday Bloody Sunday" was an outlier.)

I never really took a side on The Troubles - I hate Cromwell as much as the Irish do, and I see the Ulstermen as Scots-Irish and so... um, Irish - but I always hated the murderous bastards in the IRA. If I ever do get in one bar brawl, I hope it is in South Boston.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:37 AM (QTHTd)

462 Laurie David, did you pretend to be a devout Wahhabi Muslim and start talking about she should die for being uncovered and a homosexual? Or would that have been to graphic a dose of reality for the idiot?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:37 AM (HlJeY)

463
I just realized: August 6 has come and gone and I didn't see a single bit of leftist guilt-mongering about Hiroshima.


Posted by: Trimegistus at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (Rc0hz)


You're observation rings true, a Democrat president in power is only a coincidence, I'm sure.

Posted by: cm9000 at August 07, 2012 12:37 AM (lzvtR)

464
A journey into Berkeley is to enter a culture so bizarre that it should be a National Geographic documentary



Posted by: kbdabear

I drove through Berkeley once. I watched a Berkeley cop chew out a county deputy for crossing the street into Berkeley to try to arrest a naked bicyclist.


Posted by: Kristopher at August 07, 2012 12:37 AM (0aV2C)

465 438
The Phelps gang are also registered Democrats, Donna. So keep that
on-file in the memory bank for future use against jerks as well.


Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:29 AM (vDl/w)


Yea, the Phelps gang, and their 60's counterparts, were all part of the scam to infiltrate anything and everything. Check the background..These fuckfaces are cashing in their chips....

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 07, 2012 12:37 AM (BVkEs)

466 Here's an interesting article on Cracked about American Indians before Whitey arrived...

http://preview.tinyurl.com/bvkrker

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:38 AM (3yCFy)

467 So, Gushka, how is Soot? Did I miss a progress report?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:39 AM (kaalw)

468 436
I'm sitting here in the dark listening to Enya, relaxing before I bag it
as the bed cools down from today's heat. Does that make me less of a
man?

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:27 AM (r4wIV)

nope. Grim does that too. first time i saw the mean ol marine put on his earbuds and turn up the Enya to sleep i had to try very very very hard not to snicker. we are still together so i guess i succeeded

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 07, 2012 12:39 AM (r7Ddb)

469 @445, I think you mean smallpox, not Black Death. You might want to check on that. Try "Plagues and Peoples" by McNeill.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 12:39 AM (qaVK+)

470 Rush Limbaugh had a bit today about how football as we know it is doomed because there's momentum building up regarding the violence and the short lifespan of players. I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was a push to at least change the game to be more like flag.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:40 AM (r4wIV)

471 431
#416: True, that is another possible link, but it doesn't seem likely to
me that it would change to look like an Asian word from the Cajuns.


Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:26 AM (3yCFy)

As someone who lives in Appalachia, I doubt it was the Cajuns that changed the pronunciation to "poontang". Wherever the word went in the South, it got changed.

Everyone thinks that there is a "Southern Accent", but there isn't. It is very regional.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4-n7Sfzt-M

Posted by: MrCaniac at August 07, 2012 12:40 AM (1grxW)

472 Cost of landing Curiosity on Mars $2.5 billion. Cost of California's high speed rail $4.5 billion. What is California doing wrong?

Posted by: Jerry at August 07, 2012 12:40 AM (4SKYj)

473 Hey, LOOK!

It's a picture of Kanye West saying "You Didn't Sing That" to Taylor swift!!

Posted by: Optimizer at August 07, 2012 12:40 AM (As94z)

474 Jim Jones was an out and out socialist with a god complex that Stalin could almost envy. And thanks to him, we got the term 'drinking the Kool-Aid.' He only killed/murdered over 900 people who believed in him as he brain washed them into loving socialism.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:33 AM (HlJeY)


Only 900?

What poseur!

Posted by: Jesef Stalin at August 07, 2012 12:41 AM (sZTYJ)

475 Jim Jones was an out and out socialist with a god complex that Stalin could almost envy. And thanks to him, we got the term 'drinking the Kool-Aid.' He only killed/murdered over 900 people who believed in him as he brain washed them into loving socialism.
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:33 AM (HlJeY)
Yep, Anna Puma. And a large percentage of his kool-aide drinkers were black people who had been originally drawn to him because of his message of racial equality. They ended up in hell. One of his punishments for those who broke the rules in Jonestown was having his henchmen shove a hot pepper up the offender's ass - in public and in front of their families.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 12:41 AM (EflcN)

476 What is California doing wrong?

They didn't send Jerry Brown into space after his first term as governor

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:41 AM (QTHTd)

477 Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 12:35 AM (EflcN)


Aww, that gave me a lump in my throat!! How nice a story for you to have! I bet it gave you courage to go farther. That is how self esteem is earned. Not how they do it nowadays, or in the last couple decades.

Posted by: Kalneva at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (cQmXn)

478 472
Cost of landing Curiosity on Mars $2.5 billion. Cost of California's
high speed rail $4.5 billion. What is California doing wrong?

Posted by: Jerry at August 07, 2012 12:40 AM (4SKYj)

WINNAH!!!

Posted by: Craig Poe at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (BVkEs)

479 Flavor Aid.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (bxiXv)

480 NFL players actually have a longer lifespan than avg American.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (ZPrif)

481 And thanks to him, we got the term 'drinking the Kool-Aid.' He only killed/murdered over 900 people who believed in him as he brain washed them into loving socialism.Posted by: Anna Puma[i/]

/pedant
Except it was Flavor-Aid. And he did a lot more than just induce mass-suicide. He was a true cult-leader freakazoid.
/pedant

Posted by: weft cut-loop at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (uCNam)

482 #469: Well, you could be right. The sources I've seen mainly talked about "plague" killing so much of the populace, which I took the mean THE Plague.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (3yCFy)

483 Toronto's got a moronic pro-Pali-terror queer group too. (See the sock link.)

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:43 AM (vDl/w)

484 IRA were commies first, Irish nationalists second. Along with being some evil murdering sods. I shed no tears when some of their boyos met an early demise.

I have a large chunk of Irish in me, Be a fun thing to trash a bar in South Boston. We in America are the Irish who left the Emerald Island to get away from all that stupidity. We decided to have a future. Though the potato famine just accelerated things as the British tried to kill everyone.

We have a choice. Either we can blame all our problems on the past and never give up the hate. Thus become slaves to the Troubles. Or we learn from those times and build a better future. The ones who came to America I believe chose a better future.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:43 AM (HlJeY)

485 472 Cost of landing Curiosity on Mars $2.5 billion. Cost of California's high speed rail $4.5 billion. What is California doing wrong?
Posted by: Jerry at August 07, 2012 12:40 AM (4SKYj)


Your question depends on an incorrect assumption of what the bureaucrats are *trying* to accomplish.

Building the train is almost irrelevant. It's all about building the bureaucracy, the dependent bloc, and their arena of power and pensions for when they retire.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:44 AM (bxiXv)

486 NFL players actually have a longer lifespan than avg American.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (ZPrif)



Its from all those timeouts for commercials.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:44 AM (rzSn3)

487 467 So, Gushka, how is Soot? Did I miss a progress report?
Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:39 AM (kaalw)


(Last I heard, he was with the cat-fostering veterinarian person who is tending Soot's not-wellness.)

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 12:45 AM (bxiXv)

488 Wouldn't surprise me if NFL players did live long, given their athletic background. But there have been a lot of high profile deaths lately, and that has the buzz starting.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:46 AM (r4wIV)

489 I wouldn't at all be surprised if there was a push to at least change the game to be more like flag.
Only allow pre-1985 equipment (shoes exempted) to be worn. They should do the same thing with hockey.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (vDl/w)

490 The Permian Extinction makes the KT one look like a Sunday picnic. The cause appears to have been some sort of perfect storm of massive changes in atmospheric composition and sea level and who knows what else.

And some folks are looking for a crater to explain it all.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (5JwLu)

491 Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:31 AM (3yCFy)




Meh. Small pox (as was mentioned earlier) Indians sent syphillis back to Europe. All in all I'd call it
even. And Europe had just been decimated, itself, not 150 years earlier
by the Plague so it's not as if this was something that wasn't
happening to everyone. And Europe flourished after the Plague.



On top of all that, according to leftists, there is nothing worse in the
world than tobacco and that was the biggest Indian gift of all. Funny
how the lefties never bother to mention this.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (X3lox)

492 That "Metal Shop Theatre" in Berkeley is especially poignant. A hundred years ago, Berkeley had perhaps the most advanced metallurgy shop in the world. It's where the blocks for Miller and Offenhauser racing engines were cast. Kind of makes you sick, doesn't it?

I never let a Berkelian forget: the big money that keeps their establishment going is from the Atomic Bomb. They own it, and that accounts for a lot of the "compensating" that goes on there.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (qaVK+)

493 Well, you could be right. The sources I've seen mainly talked about "plague" killing so much of the populace, which I took the mean THE Plague.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:42 AM (3yCFy)

Steve Stirling wrote a book about modern Nantucket Island being transported to 1250 BC. Some hippie types went to Mesoamerica to 'warn' the natives. First they got et, then the smallpox started.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (rzSn3)

494 What am I? Chopped liver?

Posted by: Cholera at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (vDl/w)

495 Check this quote from the Cracked article:
So to recap, the vikings discovered America. They were camping off the
coast of America, and had every reason to settle America for about 500
years. Despite being the biggest badasses in European history, one
tangle with the natives was enough to convince the vikings that settling
America wasn't worth the trouble. If you think the pilgrims would have
fared any better than the vikings against an East Coast chock-full of
Native Americans, you either don't know what a viking is or you're
placing entirely too much stock in the strategic importance of having
belt buckles on your shoes.


That does put a few things into perspective.

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (QTHTd)

496 Permian Extinction. That is the one where the atmospheric temperature over a short, like a few thousand years, rapidly rose. Disrupted the ocean currents. Caused alot of the dissolved methane to be released into the atmosphere and further raised the atmospheric temperature. Which caused almost what 90% extinction level?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:49 AM (HlJeY)

497 I moved to Silicon Valley in 1986, and used to jaunt up to Berzerkeley every month or two. The denizens were goofy, and so far out of things that they could be the source of infinite harmless amusement. In the same time period, I'd even attend the Gay Pride parade in SF -- it wasn't entirely PG rated, but it was funny and witty and charming.

Now both are bitter and vicious. It's been years since I went up to either place to just bop around.

My personal theory is that fringe-y types have to be somewhat parasitic on a functioning society to be fat and happy jolly weirdos.....but when the underlying society doesn't function (e.g. through the inclusion of too many fringe types), there isn't enough surplus to stay happy and jolly......so the group converts to bitterness and viciousness for self-preservation.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:49 AM (kaalw)

498 So to recap, the vikings discovered America. They were camping off the coast of America, and had every reason to settle America for about 500 years. Despite being the biggest badasses in European history, one tangle with the natives was enough to convince the vikings that settling America wasn't worth the trouble. If you think the pilgrims would have fared any better than the vikings against an East Coast chock-full of Native Americans, you either don't know what a viking is or you're placing entirely too much stock in the strategic importance of having belt buckles on your shoes.

LOL. Cortex and 300 conquistadors took out a million Aztecs, and the Aztecs were lunatic savages that would have made the Vikings puke.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:50 AM (X3lox)

499 Which caused almost what 90% extinction level?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:49 AM (HlJeY)

You need to find something that also kills 90 percent of all fish species as well. Everything got it.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:51 AM (rzSn3)

500 @491 My feelings exactly! Except don't leave out pellaaaaaagra.
The disease you got from eating corn -- to the exclusion of all else.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 12:51 AM (qaVK+)

501 Yeah, 479 and 481. Flavor Aid. Pedantic, but it must suck for Kool-AId to have their name forever associated with fuckin' Jonestown.

Posted by: Kalneva at August 07, 2012 12:53 AM (cQmXn)

502 What am I? Chopped liver?
Posted by: Cholera at August 07, 2012 12:47 AM (vDl/w)

Cholera requires bad water supplies to break out. It's a lot more self limiting.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:53 AM (rzSn3)

503 The big difference between the Vikings and the Puritans (other than religion) is that the Vikings weren't there to settle. There wasn't anything they saw worth stealing. Apparently they did set up a few towns but they didn't last because they were up in Canada on the coast and there's really not much up there.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:53 AM (r4wIV)

504 I realize the Catholics in Northern Ireland were treated like crap by the Prods for a long time, but this was always the thing that bothered me about the "Troubles" there: a majority of the people in the North were Prods and wanted to continue to be a part of the UK. The IRA was trying to bomb and terrorizetheir way into the Republic of Ireland (and certain IRA factions wanted to create the People's Republic of Ireland). And, although I am Catholic myself, the Church did have an inordinate amount of power in the Republic of Ireland up until the '90's. Plus, it was poorer than the North. I could understand why the Scots-Irish were not raring to join the Republic. The bigotry and hatred of both sides toward each other -much harder to understand or excuse.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 12:53 AM (EflcN)

505 @491 My feelings exactly! Except don't leave out pellaaaaaagra. The disease you got from eating corn -- to the exclusion of all else.


Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 12:51 AM (qaVK+)

I just saw a documentary about that last night! Cool stuff. If you had written this comment to me yesterday afternoon I would have no idea what you were talking about. But now I know about the Jooo doctor eating phlegm and the whole sordid mess. That bit grossed me out, but I saw most of it - the important parts.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:53 AM (X3lox)

506 You need to find something that also kills 90 percent of all fish species as well. Everything got it.
Mwahahaha! Mwahahaha!

Posted by: Nessie at August 07, 2012 12:53 AM (vDl/w)

507 >>>>LOL. Cortex and 300 conquistadors took out a million Aztecs, and the Aztecs

Cortez would have failed without the alliance of tens of thousands of Indians who hated the Aztecs and wanted to be rid of their oppression. The Tlaxcallans (sp?) supplied most of the manpower for Cortez's attack.

Posted by: Cicero at August 07, 2012 12:54 AM (zMouK)

508 "Which caused almost what 90% extinction level?"

No, it was smiting.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:54 AM (r4wIV)

509 Enjoyable topics (well, in a sick Moronic way) on the ONT tonight. I've been trapped in reading it, so I will have to do my comments all at once -- aka 'Burst Mode'

moki -- best wishes to your daughter's full recovery

Octomom -- not with this dick

Harry Reid is a pederast? Go figure.

thorazine -- I stopped to look it up and surprise surprise.......it's rarely used as a recreational drug. Some of its close cousins are however.

Gary Jennings (RIP, 1999) -- I have both his Aztec and Aztec Autumn novels. Wonderful reads. I highly recommend.

Posted by: GnuBreed at August 07, 2012 12:55 AM (ccXZP)

510 Permian Extinction. That is the one where the atmospheric temperature over a short, like a few thousand years, rapidly rose. Disrupted the ocean currents. Caused alot of the dissolved methane to be released into the atmosphere and further raised the atmospheric temperature. Which caused almost what 90% extinction level?
Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:49 AM (HlJeY)

Like 95% of marine species and a bit less of terrestrial ones. Even insects got hammered.

There was also a huge volume of anoxic benthic water that mixed into surface water and gave many beasties a very bad day. There were volcanic eruptions that covered an area the size of Europe in kilometers of lava and the lava surged into Carboniferous Era coal deposits.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:55 AM (5JwLu)

511 Cortez would have failed without the alliance of
tens of thousands of Indians who hated the Aztecs and wanted to be rid
of their oppression. The Tlaxcallans (sp?) supplied most of the
manpower for Cortez's attack.

Posted by: Cicero at August 07, 2012 12:54 AM (zMouK)


Details ...

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:55 AM (X3lox)

512 "Which caused almost what 90% extinction level?"

No, it was smiting.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:54 AM (r4wIV)


Who knew Trilobites were so sinful?

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:55 AM (rzSn3)

513 "Cortez would have failed without the alliance of tens of thousands of Indians who hated the Aztecs and wanted to be rid of their oppression."

I think a certain level of corruption in the Aztec culture and superior tech on the part of the Spaniards played a part as well.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:55 AM (r4wIV)

514 @500 Well thank god there's no danger of that anymore. Thank you, ethanol subsidies, for saving the world from the scourge of pellagra!

Posted by: Kalneva at August 07, 2012 12:56 AM (cQmXn)

515 508
"Which caused almost what 90% extinction level?"


No, it was smiting.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 12:54 AM (r4wIV)


Antibiotic resistance from overuse in factory farms.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:56 AM (kaalw)

516 467
So, Gushka, how is Soot? Did I miss a progress report?


Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:39 AM (kaalw)

maybe. did you know i got her to a lady who will foster her and who gave her an IV sat morning? i havent been down to check on her yet (tomorow mornings chore) but she was rescued in time and it seems they felt confident that all she needed was a little fluid and a bottle!

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 07, 2012 12:57 AM (r7Ddb)

517 Smitings and sinful trilobites... why do I have that scene from Ghostbusters when Vince, possessed by a demon dog, describes the fall of the Slors.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (HlJeY)

518 #471: It seems like we agree on the basis, but take our opinions in different directions from there. Kentucky and Texas are both considered "The South", but their accents are indeed different (for that matter, Texas is big enough to have several regional accents of its own).

I think the word came to our language by way of the Vietnam War. If it was in our language prior to the 60s, then that would make me wrong.

I haven't seen the word in any pre-60s source, but it's also possible that community standards just didn't allow for such words in your average book. For example, the early Mike Hammer books wouldn't even mention venereal diseases by name; they just fell under the general heading of "VD", and nobody actually said the words. The one time I saw a character talking about VD, a girl Hammer was seeing wrote the two letters in the sand while talking obliquely about her shameful past. He still nailed her, because she'd been cured, but Mickey Spillane's reluctance to say any specific words on the subject did stick in my mind.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (3yCFy)

519 Like 95% of marine species and a bit less of terrestrial ones. Even insects got hammered.

There was also a huge volume of anoxic benthic water that mixed into surface water and gave many beasties a very bad day. There were volcanic eruptions that covered an area the size of Europe in kilometers of lava and the lava surged into Carboniferous Era coal deposits.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 12:55 AM (5JwLu)

I have no problem believing that wild shit happens from time to time in the world - look at the scablands in the Pac NW caused in just a few days from a failing ice dam from the glacier melt.

Its trying to use one cause, and a pseudo magical external one to explain it all that tires me.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (rzSn3)

520 LOL. Cortex and 300 conquistadors took out a million Aztecs, and the Aztecs were lunatic savages that would have made the Vikings puke.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 12:50 AM (X3lox)


The reason Cortez succeeded is that he rallied the various peoples of the Aztec empire against the rulers. He did this because the the Spaniards didn't pull the still-beating hearts out of their loved ones. The native people so hated the Aztecs, that they were ecstatic when the Spaniards and their non-heart-sacrificing God showed up.

Furthermore, the various peoples liberated by the Aztecs simply saw the Spaniards as a replacement for the dominant tribe of the Aztecs... without all the human sacrifice stuff.

Recount that to the next "chicano" activist schmuck you see...

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (sZTYJ)

521 Cute kitteh photos if Gushka et alia are still around.

Posted by: andycanuck at August 07, 2012 12:59 AM (vDl/w)

522 is there some morons playing eve online in here? if so how do I find AoSHQ hobo killers on Eve?

Posted by: Kaptain Amerika at August 07, 2012 01:00 AM (a0o+l)

523 VINCE CLORTHO: Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

I wonder if he just ad libbed that on the spot.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:00 AM (r4wIV)

524 maybe. did you know i got her to a lady who will
foster her and who gave her an IV sat morning? i havent been down to
check on her yet (tomorow mornings chore) but she was rescued in time
and it seems they felt confident that all she needed was a little fluid
and a bottle!


Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 07, 2012 12:57 AM (r7Ddb)


Last I heard, she looked terrible enough to be a coinflip but was in the care of foster-momma-cats. Glad to hear that she's rallying -- you were sounding a bit frantic, yourself.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:00 AM (kaalw)

525 Donna V the whole Irish Problem is a very tangled mess. Irish 'patriots' in WWII of the IRA tried to ally themselves with the Nazis. Operation Kathleen was one such plan. WWI was a similar mess. But the British brought it upon themselves because following Cromwell they seriously did try to wipe the Irish out.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:00 AM (HlJeY)

526
Posted by: The Political Hat at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (sZTYJ)


That's why the ending part on the beach of Apocalypto is sheer genius.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 01:01 AM (X3lox)

527 Furthermore, the various peoples liberated by the Aztecs simply saw the Spaniards as a replacement for the dominant tribe of the Aztecs... without all the human sacrifice stuff.

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (sZTYJ)


Which isn't 100% gone.

You don't think all those missing teenage girls and tourists in Mexico just wandered off and got eaten by land-sharks, did you?

Rumor had it in the 90s there was a "priest" doing human sacrifices for the cartels (and for his own jollies). Supposedly he got wrong-placed at the wrong-time by a concerned observer, but was probably not the only murderous wacko in Mexico.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 01:03 AM (bxiXv)

528 VINCE CLORTHO: Gozer the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Slor! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Slor that day, I can tell you!

I wonder if he just ad libbed that on the spot.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:00 AM (r4wIV)

I don't know, but having read a lot of H P Lovecraft amused me how close the non-joke part fit into his kind of worldview.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:03 AM (rzSn3)

529 Christopher Taylor if he did, just proves what a comedic genius Rick is.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:03 AM (HlJeY)

530 Ah, yes, Spanish, the language of the conqueror.

Many a Lefty yammers on and on in it about the evil Anglos.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 01:03 AM (5JwLu)

531 The Irish tried to ally themselves to Napoleon too. They were pretty much willing to make a deal with anyone to get the British out.

Cromwell wasn't so much opposed to Irish per se but the Catholics. He had a serious hate for Roman Catholics, although there's some evidence it was less his policy than the guys with him in the government.

Its really, really hard to find a neutral, accurate portrayal of Cromwell. People either hate him to pieces or think he's the best guy ever.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:04 AM (r4wIV)

532 Merovign, remember the bruja of Matamoros Mexico. All those sacrifices so their drug smuggling business would not be intercepted by cops. At least one American got sacrificed.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:05 AM (HlJeY)

533 Posted by: The Political Hat at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (sZTYJ)


That's why the ending part on the beach of Apocalypto is sheer genius.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 01:01 AM (X3lox)


They were Mayan in Apocalypto. Used actual Mayan language IIRC.

Point taken though.

There were far FAR worse powers to be conquered by then a Wester Civilization power...

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 07, 2012 01:05 AM (sZTYJ)

534 Its really, really hard to find a neutral, accurate portrayal of Cromwell. People either hate him to pieces or think he's the best guy ever.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:04 AM (r4wIV)


Not so many of the latter at the time considering how fast they ditched his government for a new king after he died.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:06 AM (rzSn3)

535 Yep, Spanish is the language of the Conquistadors. I might respect La Raza and MeCHa more if they spoke the language of the Aztecs. Though I would shoot them as murdering savages if they tried to sacrifice anyone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (HlJeY)

536 Yeah most of the supporters of Cromwell are non-English more recent folks. Reconstructionist Christians are particularly fond of him and his pattern of government.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (r4wIV)

537 The fact that the natives also started getting all sorts of diseases also helped Cortez. Hard to fight the white invader when you are shitting yourself between intermittent coughing fits.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (ZPrif)

538
My personal theory is that fringe-y types have
to be somewhat parasitic on a functioning society to be fat and happy
jolly weirdos.....but when the underlying society doesn't function (e.g.
through the inclusion of too many fringe types), there isn't enough
surplus to stay happy and jolly......so the group converts to bitterness
and viciousness for self-preservation.


Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 12:49 AM (kaalw)

you know i think you are right. and as i thought about it, i realized that this whole lack of a functioning society thingy has made me very sad. sometimes i forget how sad. but Nov 08 i was so sad i remember thinking "I havent felt this bad since the old man died."

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (r7Ddb)

539 Yeah most of the supporters of Cromwell are non-English more recent folks. Reconstructionist Christians are particularly fond of him and his pattern of government.
Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (r4wIV)


Pattern? It was a military dictatorship. Go to any banana republic to see how that works out.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:08 AM (rzSn3)

540 We'd be surprised if Octomom hasn't coordinated with the Romney campaign. After all, we've never seen more blatant birtherism anywhere.

Posted by: The L.A. Times Editorial Staff at August 07, 2012 01:09 AM (+XVQe)

541 The fact that the natives also started getting all sorts of diseases also helped Cortez. Hard to fight the white invader when you are shitting yourself between intermittent coughing fits.
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (ZPrif)

That and disease was seen as a judgement of the gods. The fact that the C'dors were immune was proof that the gods were on their side.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:10 AM (rzSn3)

542 I'm descended from both Amerinds and Vikings, and based on what I've read of both cultures, it's easy for me to believe that the Vikings set up a village, picked a fight with the locals (just like they picked fights with everyone else), got their asses handed to them in small pieces, and decided that this land was not a good place to settle.

I'm also descended from Jews, but they don't factor into this particular story unless you want to see some sort of wacky Zionist conspiracy in it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:10 AM (3yCFy)

543 That's why I like southern college towns. They are just fringey enough to be fun. But they know they are in the minority so don't get berkeley crazy.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 01:10 AM (ZPrif)

544 O/T: I've read the theory (or theories) that Old World diseases killed off 95%+ of the New World inhabitants. One of the articles was linked here, from Cracked.

Apparently, there were more people in North America than in Europe. Yet, in perhaps a generation, 95% were gone; dead, due to disease(s). The finger points at Europeans. Suddenly, Europeans could settle with no resistance.

Oneproblem I have with such theories is that diseases that are about 95% fatal never seem to kill off the quantities of people that they should.

Bubonic Plague killed off a big chunk of Europe, as Europeans had no natural immunity, but not 95% ... at least 30%, possibly as high as 60% (but this is a lot of variation; which is it?). Smallpox killed many too. Both diseases affected the psyche of Europe for centuries, and have beenkept as stories and nursery rhymes... The Black Death, Ring Around the Rosey.

But in both cases, Europeans had no natural immunity ... and still don't ... so why is there an expectation that either of these diseases would be 95% fatal to the New World peoples? There seems to be no evidence that either mutated.

How about something really powerful?Ebola comes to mind. An outbreak is reported, yet there are not even thousands of casualties. Either Ebola kills too quickly, or people see it and run, thus avoiding it and quarantining those afected, or both.

Why would this not be done by others? Disease was not unknown in the New World prior to Columbus. If such a disease got loose, would any people simply do nothing? But if it was slower, perhaps it could spread, then lie dormant for a year ... But what would cause a disease to lie dormant, while spreading, then suddenly kill everyone? This is assuming that it could spread via trade, but trade is slow, and there's good evidence that the locals in North America were as warlike as anyone else.


Further, where are the remains of any great pre-Columbian cities, north of the Valley of Mexico? There's Serpent Mound in Ohio or Missouri or somewhere, and a large piled-earth pyramid-ish mound in the regional area ... and some prehistoric-New-York (in Canada, IIRC) ... but it is believed to have had a population of 1800.

Where are the remnants? For a reputed population greater than that of Europe at the time, there seems to be ... no remnants. No Square Miles of Huts, no massive graveyards, no stories passed down and recorded by the 17th Cent. French Missionaries ... nothing. Apparently, the indigenous peoples had always been as they were ... no memory of a catastrophe, not even hints.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 01:10 AM (PHytk)

545 Remember Emperor Norton, he was an amusing crackpot.

I think you are seriously onto something there cthulu as Gushka says. There are far too many fringers and they are crowding out those of society who actually hold things together. Emperor Norton could be humored because he was a lone nutter harming no one. Now its like a red tide of fringe types killing off the regular flora and fauna.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:11 AM (HlJeY)

546 I'm descended from both Amerinds and Vikings, and based on what I've read of both cultures, it's easy for me to believe that the Vikings set up a village, picked a fight with the locals (just like they picked fights with everyone else), got their asses handed to them in small pieces, and decided that this land was not a good place to settle.


That is pretty much how Greenland colony got wiped out too - that and the cold snap. Eskimo predation.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:11 AM (rzSn3)

547 you know i think you are right. and as i thought
about it, i realized that this whole lack of a functioning society
thingy has made me very sad. sometimes i forget how sad. but Nov 08 i
was so sad i remember thinking "I havent felt this bad since the old man
died."


Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (r7Ddb)


It started before then. But that's when I pulled the plug on "happy, jolly, fun freaks" and started looking at them as "dangerous potentially violent thugs".

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:12 AM (kaalw)

548 "Pattern? It was a military dictatorship. Go to any banana republic to see how that works out."

Yes but it was a dictatorship with Christians in charge forcing everyone to step to the line. Reconstructionists are very few in number and with virtually no influence on the church but they are the origin of the AIIIEE THEOCRACY cries on the left.

Cromwell did do quite a bit of good along the way though. The whole English military afterward was based on his system (the modern idea of military instead of "throw peasants at them and ride over your own guys with knights"), he restructured the parliament, and so on.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:12 AM (r4wIV)

549 @541

Exactly. Which was why the Conquistadors were so confident God was on their side and also why the natives converted so easily.

If aliens landed and said surrender or face the wrath of God. And we told them to fuck off and then immediately starting suffering a wave of plagues that eventually killed off 90%+ of us ... the survivors would probably eagerly convert to the new alien religion. Obviously the old one was not working.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 01:14 AM (ZPrif)

550 I'm also descended from Jews, but they don't factor into this particular story unless you want to see some sort of wacky Zionist conspiracy in it.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:10 AM (3yCFy)

I'm not sure how anyone would react to encountering a Jewish Viking.

'He's wearing a helmet with big curvy horns on it and he keep insisting we put on a sweater if we're going outside."

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 01:14 AM (5JwLu)

551 Where are the remnants? For a reputed population greater than that of Europe at the time, there seems to be ... no remnants. No Square Miles of Huts, no massive graveyards, no stories passed down and recorded by the 17th Cent. French Missionaries ... nothing. Apparently, the indigenous peoples had always been as they were ... no memory of a catastrophe, not even hints.
Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 01:10 AM (PHytk)

I think there was a large die-off, I'm not sure if 95 percent is a good number. Plagues don't do that well in dirty cities under siege.

And that many natives would have wiped out deer and other medium sized animals, like they did in Mesoamerica.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:14 AM (rzSn3)

552
Last I heard, she looked terrible enough to be a
coinflip but was in the care of foster-momma-cats. Glad to hear that
she's rallying -- you were sounding a bit frantic, yourself.


Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:00 AM (kaalw)

Thats because i was! in the morning i went out and thought she was dead. but when i went to pick her up with a shovel (God forgive me) she lifted her head at my approach. SO i ran back to the house, got a bucketful of cleaning rags (cleaned with hot water and clorox so i knew they were close to sterile) and popped her in and wrapped her up, then took her to the vet at animal control. I thought the best i would be offered was a clean death, but they laughed and said a little fluid and a bottle and she'd likely be great, please com back and check on her on monday. they said her loud voice meant she was still pretty strong, just wore out.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 07, 2012 01:15 AM (r7Ddb)

553 Most of the Amerindian deaths, especially in North America, were due to starvation as the diseases sickened so many they couldn't prepare for winter.

Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 01:15 AM (ZPrif)

554 Sounds like absolute shit to me.


Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:31 PM (IoNBC)



Well it's not the overproduced manufactured garbage I'm sure you prefer, not that I'd hold it against you.



Has it not occurred to you that you, like me, have tastes in music that are not shared by a large number of people?

Posted by: Scobface at August 06, 2012 11:31 PM (IoNBC)

Two thoughts on this:
1. I've been posting metal albums and songs here for quite a while now. There's a couple of dudes here that dig it. Some stuff gets well received. Some of it's ignored. Which leads me to my next thought...

2. http://tinyurl.com/8zcpjt2

Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:15 AM (4ixH5)

555 And good evening again.

Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:15 AM (4ixH5)

556 #544: Well, the lack of a written language would probably have an effect. If your tribe's history is mainly oral, and your storyteller suddenly dies from a nasty disease before passing on what he knows to his successor, there's a good chunk of your history gone, just like that.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:15 AM (3yCFy)

557
Demonoid Busted As A Gift To The United States Government

The nightmare week for Demonoid* has just reached a huge crescendo, with news coming out of Ukraine that following a massive DDoS attack the site has now been busted by local authorities. Those looking for a U.S. connection to the raid won’t be disappointed – a source in the country’s Interior Ministry says that the action was scheduled to coincide with Deputy Prime Minister Valery Khoroshkovsky’s trip to the United States.

*a major torrent based file-sharing site.



So, basically another Obama Hollywood fundraiser....

Posted by: Laurie David's Cervix at August 07, 2012 01:16 AM (kdS6q)

558 Flatbush Joe the Conquistadors had another arrow in their quiver when dealing with the locals of Mexico. Priests and monks who talked of a God who sacrificed Himself for the humans. Pretty powerful Kung-fu for people who have seen the Aztecs every day of the week cut the beating hearts out of loved ones.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:16 AM (HlJeY)

559
Posted by: Flatbush Joe at August 07, 2012 01:14 AM (ZPrif)


I don't know. It took ten nasty plagues for the Egyptians to just let the Jews go, let alone convert or be subjugated to them ... and even then, Pharaoh changed his mind after a day and had to have his army drowned in the final act before he finally called it a day.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 01:17 AM (X3lox)

560 Anna: years ago, I read a short history of Ireland by the conservativeBrit historian Paul Johnson. I have no Irish blood but find almost everything Johnson writes to be worth reading. Because Johnson's a Brit, he doesn't excuse Irish bad behavior. But (perhaps because he's Catholic), he doesn't excuse English bad behavior too. He made the point repeatedly that the English misruled the country terribly and developed a real blind spot of hatred and prejudice toward a people who only wished to be left alone.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 01:17 AM (EflcN)

561 All I can say is that Taylor will “Swiftly” become another damsel in distress! I hope she’s mentally and emotionally prepared for all of the heat that comes with hanging out with or dating a Kennedy!
WOW! What happened here? I thought she was dating Arnold Schwarzenegger’s son Patrick?
RUN TAYLOR RUN!!!!!!

@ http://www.gcpublications.net

Posted by: Greg C. at August 07, 2012 01:17 AM (TddJi)

562 Yep, Spanish is the language of the Conquistadors. I might respect La Raza and MeCHa more if they spoke the language of the Aztecs. Though I would shoot them as murdering savages if they tried to sacrifice anyone.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:07 AM (HlJeY)


Killjoy...

Posted by: Montezuma, Junior at August 07, 2012 01:17 AM (sZTYJ)

563 I'm not sure how anyone would react to encountering a Jewish Viking.

'He's wearing a helmet with big curvy horns on it and he keep insisting we put on a sweater if we're going outside."
Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 01:14 AM (5JwLu)

A lot of Vikings wandered across Russia to Kiev and the Ukraine. Some of these states in the area adopted Judisim as the state religion. I don't recall if these were Viking states though. Pretty Close.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:17 AM (rzSn3)

564 But (perhaps because he's Catholic), he doesn't excuse English bad behavior too. He made the point repeatedly that the English misruled the country terribly and developed a real blind spot of hatred and prejudice toward a people who only wished to be left alone.
Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 01:17 AM (EflcN)


Being Irish, I can tell you that they wanted to be left alone to pitch into each other!

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:18 AM (rzSn3)

565 Bobak Ferdowsi looks like Soap MacTavish from Call of Duty.

Posted by: rfichoke at August 07, 2012 01:20 AM (Y1c/9)

566 551 Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:14 AM (rzSn3)

I use the 95% number because the Cracked article used it. I've read other numbers, around 90%, which seem to be close enough, or actual counts: 20million+. Except for the Cracked article, all are from leftist (from the tone of their writing) sources.

But there's still the problem of remnants. Archeologists seem to have little trouble finding individual Indian graves, or the post holes from a cluster of huts ... yet nothing covering a half square mile has ever been found ... why?

Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 01:21 AM (PHytk)

567 @544 "Ohio or Missouri or somewhere"?? These are sacred sites, kiss my ass. Obviously the reason no Indians lived in big cities is that they had discovered suburbs. As have we.

Yes, that 200 million population is awfully hard to swallow. If you look at the stresses that a mere 2 million or so put on their boundaries -- the tribes were doing themselves to death in land disputes -- you have to wonder what agricultural system could have been supporting a hundred times that number, without, as you say, leaving any trace. Especially since every fishing village and hunters' camp of a few dozen has left traces. Where are the bones, of their domesticated animals or human dead? If 190 million people die in less than two generations, there aren't enough buzzards to wipe out every trace of them.

Oh, and Kennewick Man was Jewish. And, by all indications, lost as a motherfucker.


Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:21 AM (qaVK+)

568 "A lot of Vikings wandered across Russia to Kiev and the Ukraine."

Varangers. They ended up wandering south and partly conquering Byzantium, then the emperors used them for a long time as their personal elite forces and guard. Its a curious story.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:22 AM (r4wIV)

569 Being Irish, I can tell you that they wanted to be left alone to pitch into each other!
Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:18 AM (rzSn3)
_______________________________
Heh. While I'm no great fan of Bono's, he once said that in America, when people see the big house of a rich man, they say "I want to live in a house like that, so I'm going to work hard and save." In Ireland, they want to destroy the house.
That's true of other Europeans as well. Of course, the Dems are succeeding in getting more and more Americans to be just like the folks in the Old Country.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 01:25 AM (EflcN)

570 "Yes, that 200 million population is awfully hard to swallow. "

I agree, and for good reason. The only way to really build up that kind of population is an extended period of peace and a civilization focused on sitting in one place and building rather than roaming.

There are some indications that the Iroquois and some other tribes had a pretty impressive land in the Southeast of the US but in modern terms it was very minor and had a tiny population. The mound builders before them were pretty numerous but not in the millions.

My guess is that low tech, a culture of violence and not of building, and continuous warfare kept the population pretty small. All it would take is for one warlike tribe's scout or hunter to find a settled community and that would be all she wrote for the farmers in short order.

If they'd have had all the time they did (4000 years or more, by some estimates) and that many people, they'd have gotten out of the stone age.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:26 AM (r4wIV)

571
A lot of Vikings wandered across Russia to Kiev
and the Ukraine. Some of these states in the area adopted Judisim as
the state religion. I don't recall if these were Viking states though.
Pretty Close.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:17 AM (rzSn3)


um, those were the Khazars and they were closer to Georgia and Turkey in Central Asia. pretty much the Uighur type Turkic shamanists there saw how successful the monotheist moslems and christians were doing and thought "ok, well lets try Judaism since those both are based on it." it was a golden age. the Russian did their damndest to hide the archeological evidence of the Khazars when they found it.. but some documents from the middle ages remain where there were jews in contact with them, and even a migration of european jewery out there to do business in the new land of acceptance for them.

Posted by: gushka's got a Kitty what plays fetch! ! at August 07, 2012 01:26 AM (r7Ddb)

572 Donna V. Its a very complicated love-hate relationship. The British have pretty much gotten over their love to hate the Irish. But walk through Ireland and still a good chance to find an Brit hater.

As the potato famine ravaged the countryside, the British kept exporting to the UK the grain they grew in Ireland. That added to the pressure to starve to death or emigrate to the US. And then the Irish get to the US to find the WASPs actively hating them like the Brits. But here they made a go of things and became the bedrock of many communities, hence all the Boston College jokes about the FBI.

And the IRA cheerfully played on all that history in their murderous attempt to build a Peoples Republic of Ireland. Bloody Sunday in 1972 was the spark of the current iteration of the Troubles that only finally died down in the 1990s because everyone got sick of the random killings and violence. Plus it helped the USSR collapsed.

Anyway I probably should track down Paul Johnson's book to see what that Brit has to say. I probably have things wrong or mis-remembered.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:27 AM (HlJeY)

573 The Vikings built Kiev, thankyouverymuch. They traded with Constantinople in a yearly season, rowing up the rivers and traversing the marshes with very large boats, which may have even had wagon wheels attached. It's kind of a big deal in those parts.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:27 AM (qaVK+)

574 Speaking of Taylor Swift, a dude got into PL via their arts and crafts application system by making a picture of Taylor out of....Cheerios http://tinyurl.com/9k6zgwc

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 01:27 AM (7F9i5)

575 445 Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:15 AM (3yCFy)

Well, the lack of a written language would probably have an effect. If your tribe's history is mainly oral, and your storyteller suddenly dies from a nasty disease before passing on what he knows to his successor, there's a good chunk of your history gone, just like that.

True, if the story is ancient. At least, the polished story dies. Crude versions remain, and might get retold, or merged with other stories. But seemingly there is nothing.

But there is also a time problem. The "die-off" due to the Europeans would have happened in 1550-1600, and the French were in the Mississippi, Great Lakesand much of central North Americaby the 1650s. This is a generation or two, maybe 3, not enough time for everyone to forget, and act as though nothing had happened.

Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 01:27 AM (PHytk)

576 Oh and evening everyone

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 01:27 AM (7F9i5)

577 Robert: I, for one, like the links you post here. I admit I don't like most of it but there's some gems in there. Plus... I like that you're allowed to post it. Makes me feel less bad about dumping my emo / shoegaze / goth crap in here

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 01:29 AM (QTHTd)

578 The Europeans were lucky they got to the Americas when they did.

Some random fluctuation of social, political, economic, and technological forces could have produced a North American equivalent of the Roman Empire.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 01:29 AM (5JwLu)

579 "Bloody Sunday in 1972 was the spark of the current iteration of the Troubles that only finally died down in the 1990s because everyone got sick of the random killings and violence. Plus it helped the USSR collapsed."

I think that last one played the largest part. The USSR was one of the biggest reasons we have a terrorist problem today, it was one of their big tools to undermine and destroy the west. They played into whatever ideology or thought process they had to across the whole world to stir up trouble, then trained and equipped them. That's why I have a hard time being too terribly sympathetic when they have to deal with terrorists on their land now. You summoned that demon, suckers.

Posted by: Christopher Taylor at August 07, 2012 01:30 AM (r4wIV)

580 Howdy, Zakn!

Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:31 AM (4ixH5)

581 Good night, all.

Posted by: Donna V. at August 07, 2012 01:31 AM (EflcN)

582 The Iroquois Confederation might have grown into an Empire.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:31 AM (HlJeY)

583 The French learned of the existence of the Erie tribe only by hearsay, and they had perished only yesterday. The plague that laid them low, though, was the Iroquois Confederacy. The automotive writer Brock Yates has written cogently on the fascinating cultural interplay of the Huron and Mohawk, mostly involving stone clubs. Being an upstate New Yorker, he did not get along with the Mohawks. Said their name meant "eaters of men."

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:32 AM (qaVK+)

584 Good night Donna V. Sweet dreams.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:33 AM (HlJeY)

585 Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:15 AM (4ixH5)



Y'know, it's time we had a talk......about your taste in music. It ain't the same as mine, mostly. I tend to go proggy (Peter Gabriel, King Crimson), or pop (Alan Parsons) or stoner (Floyd, Rush) or euro-Soul (Seal, Sade), or even Classical. I blow off 9/10 of the links you post.




But I keep viewing one track for every ten or twelve you post, 'cause occasionally it's something worth watching.




Oddly enough, I thoroughly cherish the links that you bring to the Horde, even if I don't click on 'em. You've hand-picked these links because you found them good, then dragged them here to share with the rest of us. You're a better man than I am for making the effort, even if I don't lift a tentacle to take advantage of it.




And even if I always think of http://videosift.com/video/IT-Crowd-Richmond-Track-4-And-The-Funeral -- it's a good thing that you continue to bring us music and bands that stretch our boundaries.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:34 AM (kaalw)

586
Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at August 07, 2012 01:29 AM (QTHTd)


Shoe gazing?
http://tinyurl.com/cohfvom

Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:34 AM (4ixH5)

587 376
What possibly killed the native North American horses along with
Smilodon, and giant ground sloths was a Cosmic ray burst that also reset
many C-14 clocks across north central United States..

LOL! And only there? Look, if it's a radiation of ANY kind hitting us from deep space, it hits half the earth facing in its source's direction. Yes, low-angle glancing blows are less powerful than hits from high noon, but there's no way it's localized to the north central US.

And why only Similodons and sloths? Did other flora/fauna have some special protection?

Posted by: Darth Vader at August 07, 2012 01:35 AM (FNV+6)

588 518
#471: It seems like we agree on the basis, but take our opinions in
different directions from there. Kentucky and Texas are both considered
"The South", but their accents are indeed different (for that matter,
Texas is big enough to have several regional accents of its own).

I
think the word came to our language by way of the Vietnam War. If it
was in our language prior to the 60s, then that would make me wrong.

I
haven't seen the word in any pre-60s source, but it's also possible
that community standards just didn't allow for such words in your
average book. For example, the early Mike Hammer books wouldn't even
mention venereal diseases by name; they just fell under the general
heading of "VD", and nobody actually said the words. The one time I saw a
character talking about VD, a girl Hammer was seeing wrote the two
letters in the sand while talking obliquely about her shameful past. He
still nailed her, because she'd been cured, but Mickey Spillane's
reluctance to say any specific words on the subject did stick in my
mind.


Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 12:58 AM (3yCFy)

Same destination on different roads. Where I live I get to hear on a daily basis the Southside VA, Piedmont (Va NC), Appalachian, and Amish.
I think the word existed way before the 60's, but mostly in what the literary circles would call the underclass, so it would be a word that they didn't come in contact with and wouldn't use it in a book. Editors were in New York or large cities and would have never come into contact with those who used those words. Today we have recordings and videos, so those barriers are gone.

Plus, back then book publishers were a little more conservative since a lot of places wouldn't sell those books or put them on shelves.
Of course today, those books would get the write ups in the NYT and be placed in the front of libraries and bookstores.

Posted by: MrCaniac at August 07, 2012 01:36 AM (1grxW)

589 I use the 95% number because the Cracked article used it. I've read other numbers, around 90%, which seem to be close enough, or actual counts: 20million+. Except for the Cracked article, all are from leftist (from the tone of their writing) sources.

But there's still the problem of remnants. Archeologists seem to have little trouble finding individual Indian graves, or the post holes from a cluster of huts ... yet nothing covering a half square mile has ever been found ... why?
Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 01:21 AM (PHytk)

Because in the middle of the country they just weren't that dense. The hunting range of the Ohio tribes was the state of Kentucky. The southern tribes used most of Tennessee.

I can accept that die off on the very coast but transport was too slow elsewhere to make it spread before the carriers died on the way.

And the mounds aren't the kind of thing a cluster of settled villages couldn't put together if they had a mind to.


There isn't a lot of remnant of Germans from the time of Caesar, either, because they moved themselves around a lot to keep from overusing any one area in their range. Most of their stuff was perishable, or passed on.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:36 AM (rzSn3)

590 Donna V. I just looked up Paul Johnson on Amazon. One of the books listed I realize I have in the library. Just not managed to read it yet. Its his A History of the Jews. I had picked it up while visiting my parents at a used book sale by the Catholic Church I used to attend before moving away. Guess I better read it.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:36 AM (HlJeY)

591 And why only Similodons and sloths? Did other flora/fauna have some special protection?
Posted by: Darth Vader at August 07, 2012 01:35 AM (FNV+6)

Tinfoil hats, of course

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:36 AM (rzSn3)

592 Poontang? Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at August 07, 2012 01:37 AM (Ks4nX)

593 578 Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 01:29 AM (5JwLu)

The Europeans were Entire World was lucky they got to the Americas when they did.
Some random fluctuation of social, political, economic, and technological forces could have produced a North American equivalent of the Roman
AztecEmpire.

The Aztecs were in the Top Two of "ScariestBad AssesTo Have To Deal With" ... of all time ...

Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 01:37 AM (PHytk)

Posted by: Arbalest at August 07, 2012 01:38 AM (PHytk)

595
Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:34 AM (kaalw)

Stop, stop, you're gonna make my head swell!
Ah, dammit, too late.
http://tinyurl.com/8w2ocgj

Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:38 AM (4ixH5)

596 Something Cooth might like.

http://tinyurl.com/cggtcws

Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:39 AM (4ixH5)

597 woof

Posted by: fluffy is not feeling articulate at August 07, 2012 01:40 AM (z9HTb)

598 woof

Posted by: fluffy is not feeling articulate at August 07, 2012 01:40 AM (z9HTb)

*Hiss*

Posted by: Kitteh at August 07, 2012 01:40 AM (4ixH5)

599 Nyah?

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:40 AM (HlJeY)

600 441
I admit the Cosmic ray event is not really a smoking gun.

Of course it isn't. Why didn't humans die, if other animals supposedly did?


Posted by: Darth Vader at August 07, 2012 01:41 AM (FNV+6)

601 .....and BTH got there first @577....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:41 AM (kaalw)

602 #570: Iroquois were midwest (hence, the town of Pontiac, Michigan); Cherokee dominated the southeast.

Tennessee, and a lot of its towns, like Chattanooga, are Cherokee names. The Cherokee were driven out of Georgia in the Trail of Tears. The "Eastern Band" of the Cherokee were the ones who managed to hide out in North and South Carolina during the Trail of Tears. And the Chickamauga, the militant branch that split off from the main tribe because they weren't done fighting the White Man yet, mainly operated in Kentucky.

I don't know for certain if Mississippi and Alabama are Cherokee names (don't know enough of the language), but they certainly could be. They fit the Cherokee syllabary. And they do fall right in that area between Tennessee and Georgia.

Don't you think it'd take a large number of people to hold an area that size?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:41 AM (3yCFy)

603 596
Something Cooth might like.

http://tinyurl.com/cggtcws


Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:39 AM (4ixH5)


Very pretty.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:44 AM (kaalw)

604 Orsen Scott Card wrote a silly but entertaining book about time travelers going to America before Columbus got there and changing history.

Posted by: eman at August 07, 2012 01:44 AM (5JwLu)

605 'grunt' is five distinct characters


'woof' is four characters with one double letter

Posted by: fluffy tells all at August 07, 2012 01:44 AM (z9HTb)

606 54
Octamom and Sandra Fluke decide to double-date...

I will stop right there, some things once imagined can never be erased.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 06, 2012 10:40 PM (HlJeY)


I saw this science video once about two black holes colliding....

Posted by: Tonic Dog at August 07, 2012 01:46 AM (X/+QT)

607 Speaking of which, is Cradle of Filth really all that?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:46 AM (kaalw)

608 I don't know for certain if Mississippi and Alabama are Cherokee names (don't know enough of the language), but they certainly could be. They fit the Cherokee syllabary. And they do fall right in that area between Tennessee and Georgia.

Don't you think it'd take a large number of people to hold an area that size?
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:41 AM (3yCFy)

There were other tribes in the Southern states besides the Cherokee (who were in north GA/Tenn/Alabama area mostly. Chickasaw, Choctaw, Natchez, Biloxi in Mississippi alone.

Hold from what? Gophers?

The tribes didn't need to hold boundaries - the space between the tribes was border enough. War parties were more for sport than for real conquest.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:46 AM (rzSn3)

609 I'm cool with Robert's metal posts, just as long as he's cool with other posting metal links as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6M6W2NyD02o

Posted by: The Political Hat at August 07, 2012 01:48 AM (sZTYJ)

610 Speaking of which, is Cradle of Filth really all that?


They got me through some very trying times. Here, have a CD.

Posted by: creepy guy that got fired at August 07, 2012 01:48 AM (z9HTb)

611 @589, archaeologists were spoiled rotten for centuries by the anomaly of Mediterranean construction: they had to use stone because their trees weren't good enough. No one in a pre-iron age builds with stone when there's abundant timber. So in all of non-Roman Europe, archaeology begins at ankle level and goes down from there.

Even at that, abandoned stone cities (in the African desert for instance) have a fairly short shelf-life, once they're de-lapidated by recyclers. I once attended a lecture from an explorer just returned from the semi-precious stone mines that fed the Pyramids. How disappointing that was. The miracle had nothing to do with quarry technique (rock, bashed with rock), but with the supply train. Some thousands of persons, whose social status we have not yet figure out, lived in stone huts hundreds of miles from food and water. It took thousands more, constantly, to keep them out there.

And yet their hutments (admittedly, now over four millennia old) are indistinguishable from, say, glacial till. I'd have thought smilodons shat 'em, were it not for the cosmic rays.




Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:48 AM (qaVK+)

612 607
Speaking of which, is Cradle of Filth really all that?


Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:46 AM (kaalw)


Especially Track 4 -- "Coffin Fodder".....?

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:49 AM (kaalw)

613 610
Speaking of which, is Cradle of Filth really all that?


They got me through some very trying times. Here, have a CD.


Posted by: creepy guy that got fired at August 07, 2012 01:48 AM (z9HTb)


Richmond -- is that you????

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 01:51 AM (kaalw)

614 Some thousands of persons, whose social status we have not yet figure out, lived in stone huts hundreds of miles from food and water. It took thousands more, constantly, to keep them out there.

-- I'd imagine their status was high enough, if they were worth all that effort to support. They might have been called slaves or not, but in all slave societies there are slaves with clout and slaves that don't have clout.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:51 AM (rzSn3)

615 Chief Pontiac was not Iroquois. The Ottawa and Ojibwa were not part of the Nations. What tribe are you, Warren?

I am not a thirty-second Indian. I'm good for three minutes, at least.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:53 AM (qaVK+)

616 #608: But the various tribes frequently came into conflict with each other nonetheless. Seems to me those distances weren't nearly so great as you think they were.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:53 AM (3yCFy)

617 Richmond -- is that you????


I think it may be. That sounds correct, though it's been a while.


People asked him that question, didn't they?

Posted by: creepy guy that got fired at August 07, 2012 01:54 AM (z9HTb)

618 Good night all. I now have to go tell the wife that I have been up discussing the origins of the word "poontang", she will be impressed.

Posted by: MrCaniac at August 07, 2012 01:55 AM (1grxW)

619 This was mentioned earlier on another thread IIRC. Poor guy had his digital life so linked together with only so-so security. So hackers, envious of this three letter Twitter handle, proceeded to nuke his whole digital life including every picture of his baby daughter when they remote commanded his MacBook to wipe itself.

http://tinyurl.com/c2ao8ur

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:55 AM (HlJeY)

620 wish Persona 4 Arena community wasn't going to die in a month, game looks good

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 01:55 AM (tw6Ar)

621 Chief Pontiac was not Iroquois. The Ottawa and Ojibwa were not part of the Nations. What tribe are you, Warren?

I am not a thirty-second Indian. I'm good for three minutes, at least.
Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:53 AM (qaVK+)

Even when they had weapons from the Europeans, the Confederacy was based in NY state and thereabouts, with a big range about that. Ohio and the Lakes had their own tribes - Shawnee, Erie, Kickapoo , and then refugees from the East fleeing the Europeans.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:56 AM (rzSn3)

622 #615: Say what? I learned about Pontiac being an Iroquois chief back in the third grade. Sure, it was in a public school, but the leftist rot hadn't set in THAT much, had it?

BRB, checking Wikipedia...

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:56 AM (3yCFy)

623 @614 Some branches of that argument are more attractive than others. When we show wage records that prove some Southern slaves were too valuable to use in the fields, and so they hired white immigrants, well that plays to a narrative we have.

I'm not as pleased to hear the theory that the Jews in Egypt were just middle-class tradesmen with a passport problem. And yet it's out there.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:58 AM (qaVK+)

624 Well, it looks like Pontiac was an Ottawa, and the Ottawa were not part of the Iroquois. That's good to know!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:58 AM (3yCFy)

625 But the various tribes frequently came into conflict with each other nonetheless. Seems to me those distances weren't nearly so great as you think they were.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 01:53 AM (3yCFy)


As I said, that was sport, more or less. If it got too bad, the tribe moved off. But the original tribe really had no need to spread, they were a cluster of a few villages not a huge mob.

Ohio tribes used to raid the Cherokee, and vice versa. And the tribes to the east, until they got too tough.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 01:58 AM (rzSn3)

626 Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 01:55 AM (HlJeY)

The internet is a dark alley. And there are muggers and murderers there.

Backup everything.

We really need to kick the asses of some of these vandals and digital rapists, very publicly, because there is no penalty for them 99.9% of the time.

That's one reason I was so pissed about Wikileaks being subjected to only minor inconveniences as a result of getting a lot of people killed by preferentially leaking American intel.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:00 AM (bxiXv)

627 Yea that dude that got hacked story was pretty crazy.

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 02:01 AM (LG3ga)

628 One of the things that amuses the heck out of me is that traditional anthropology discounts commerce so much.



It's all right and good to say that 98% of the schmoes stayed home and cultivated staple crops, and that 1% had a tower with an armory and a suit of chainmail.....but that last 1% grabbed up a bunch of shiny rocks in the vicinity and headed over the hill to the next valley.




Venetian glass and silk were found in China and Spain, respectively, because of a small number of traders that schlepped across 10 time zones.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:02 AM (kaalw)

629 PS on computer security, Yahoo's handling of their acquisition of Associated Content makes me want to punch them in their fat fucking cakeholes, though I want to do worse to the hackers who put that out in the wild.

They weren't "trying to improve security," they were trying to steal credit card numbers.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:03 AM (bxiXv)

630 The tribe that Pocahontas belonged to had just recently moved into Virginia, I heard from Ken-tuck-ee. Tribes moved around a lot -- and, as has been noted, so did the tribes of Europe just a short time before.

There's a town site 20 miles from me that had a winter population around 1800, with several hundred people in permanent residence. And in canal days (cholera days, too!) the white village on the same ground never supported more people than that.

Now, there are larger towns not too far away, but those came of the iron canoe and iron horse, and the forcible depopulation of central Europe. Oh, and the Year of No Summer. There's always that.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 02:04 AM (qaVK+)

631 @614 Some branches of that argument are more attractive than others. When we show wage records that prove some Southern slaves were too valuable to use in the fields, and so they hired white immigrants, well that plays to a narrative we have.

I'm not as pleased to hear the theory that the Jews in Egypt were just middle-class tradesmen with a passport problem. And yet it's out there.
Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 01:58 AM (qaVK+)


Greeks used to sell themselves to slavery to become tutors, then freed when the job was done. In effect it was the equivalent of a long term contract - plus it made them Roman citizens afterward. It wouldn't work if they were sold to the copper mines, so they weren't.

Quite a few Southern Slaves were allowed to become semi independent, earning their own money and paying a fraction to the master.

Islam made slave soldiers a few times that ended up making and unmaking the government, although they were slaves.

The world is more complicated than the labels we give it.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 02:05 AM (rzSn3)

632 #625: They had sport, and they had wars. They also had major cooperative endeavors, like Monk's Mound.

No matter how bored they are, people won't walk a hundred miles for sport.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:06 AM (3yCFy)

633 Venetian glass and silk were found in China and Spain, respectively, because of a small number of traders that schlepped across 10 time zones.
Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:02 AM (kaalw)

Don't forget the Amber routes from the Baltic down south.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 02:07 AM (rzSn3)

634 Poor guy had his digital life so linked together with only so-so security.


Well you can just rock me to sleep now.

Posted by: fluffy trusts no one at August 07, 2012 02:08 AM (z9HTb)

635 No matter how bored they are, people won't walk a hundred miles for sport.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:06 AM (3yCFy)


They will if you lose status in your culture if you don't go. Big hunts and raids were how warriors defined themselves. You even got bonus points by sneaking in and carrying something off.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 02:09 AM (rzSn3)

636 in all slave societies there are slaves with clout and slaves that don't have clout.

Speaking of which, I have some spare Turks around here... really cut-rate price... could you take them off my hands? (Please? Hurry!)

Posted by: Caliph al-Mutawakkil, amir of the believers at August 07, 2012 02:09 AM (QTHTd)

637 You are all oppressors! All of the Native Americans (and if you call them "Indians" then u r a bigger racist!!1!) lived in harmony with nature in non-hierarchical matriarchies were everyone was a "sun person" who lived in communal bliss until evil "snow people" came and oppressed them with their andro-normative, hetero-normative, and anglo-normative oppressive values!

It is a lie that there was cannibalism or human sacrifice or oppression of gays and stuff! It was all a cumm8unal paradise because they didn't have oppressive white people like Daddy who won't replace my iThingy so I can upload my blog about how he's an evil oppressor!!!`!

NO jUSTIC !~1! NO pEACE!!~!11!

NO jUSTIC !~1! NO pEACE!!~!11!

NO jUSTIC !~1! NO pEACE!!~!11!

Posted by: Social SCIENCE Graduate Student !!1!~eleventy1!!1!! at August 07, 2012 02:09 AM (sZTYJ)

638 People are always all like, "link all your accounts and data together and store it online," and I'm always all like, "no."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:09 AM (bxiXv)

639 @628 How right you are. In the middle of the 20th century, what it meant to be a conservative historian was that you kept alive the idea that trade mattered. If you haven't already read it, get William McNeill's "Rise of The West." The opening and closing of trade spheres, driven by innovation and invention, are his epochs. Hardly seems revolutionary now, but 40 years ago that concept was a real uphill battle. Wonderful thinker.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 02:11 AM (qaVK+)

640 Posted by: Social SCIENCE Graduate Student !!1!~eleventy1!!1!! at August 07, 2012 02:09 AM (sZTYJ)

You remember that history major who kicked your ass for being a completely ignorant douche?

No?

Well, maybe this time you will.

Posted by: That History Major at August 07, 2012 02:11 AM (bxiXv)

641 People are always all like, "link all your accounts and data together and store it online," and I'm always all like, "no."

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:09 AM (bxiXv)


All Your Data Are Belong To Us!!!

Posted by: The Cloud at August 07, 2012 02:12 AM (sZTYJ)

642
What a bunch of shite. So now we're using f'in Cracked as our primary source? Y'all been indoctrinated in gov't schools for so long you don't express proper skepticism about the constant brown man good/white man bad narrative. When you have kids in gov't. schools you realize that brown man good/white man bad is the theme of all12 yearsof american history studies.
I always point out to my students that the same people always insist that the noble red man who lived in peace with all was (the next day) a magnificent and unconquerable warrior. And the conquistadores, who were as a rule the biggest bad-asses of the 16th century, get nothing but crap as part of this ludicrous narrative that's so engrained in the modern American mind that it goes almost entirely without examination.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:12 AM (LP2Vw)

643 .but that last 1% grabbed up a bunch of shiny rocks in the vicinity and headed over the hill to the next valley


Japanese artifacts found in Greenland from the days of the Northwest passage.

Posted by: fluffy trusts no one at August 07, 2012 02:13 AM (z9HTb)

644 No matter how bored they are, people won't walk a hundred miles for sport.

Uh-oh, somebody's never been to Philmont...

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 02:13 AM (qaVK+)

645 I know. Unless you really are security minded. Which most of the people asking Siri if they are smart are not. Then putting stuff out in anyone's 'cloud' is plain stupid.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:14 AM (HlJeY)

646 #635: Yeah, I regretted posting that comment almost immediately. You are right, but war is war and sport is sport. Or maybe I'm just thinking too much like a white man right now.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:14 AM (3yCFy)

647 History is only slightly better off than Archaeology, which is only slightly better off than Climatology, which is only slightly better off than Astrology. Maybe.

After being lied to for years by professors, I have trust issues.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:15 AM (bxiXv)

648 632
#625: They had sport, and they had wars. They also had major cooperative endeavors, like Monk's Mound.

No matter how bored they are, people won't walk a hundred miles for sport.


Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:06 AM (3yCFy

Some will run a hundred miles for sport.

Posted by: model_1066 at August 07, 2012 02:15 AM (yYKoR)

649 No matter how bored they are, people won't walk a hundred miles for sport.


I might, but I am definitely an outlier.

Posted by: fluffy, sturdy-legged outlier at August 07, 2012 02:16 AM (z9HTb)

650 You remember that history major who kicked your ass for being a completely ignorant douche?

No?

Well, maybe this time you will.

Posted by: That History Major at August 07, 2012 02:11 AM (bxiXv)


OPPRESSOR!!1!!

My Queer Chicana studies professor told me the truth about how white strait males are evil and oppressive and stuff and how only they are violent and you just proved it!!11!!!!!

The Native Americans were in touch with nature and their bisexuality and lived in peace and stuff and SOCIAL JUSTICE dicates that your andor-normative, hetero-normative, and anglo-normative oppression must be crushed and destroyed and only then will we all live in peace and love in the arms of Gaia!!!`!

NO JSUTICE `11~ NO PEACE1!!`~!`!!!
NO JSUTICE `11~ NO PEACE1!!`~!`!!!
NO JSUTICE `11~ NO PEACE1!!`~!`!!!

Posted by: Social SCIENCE Graduate Student (who has rejected the lies of white poeple and stuff!!!) at August 07, 2012 02:16 AM (sZTYJ)

651 Why should I trust Carbonite? I don't know anyone there. So no I won't pay them to back up my data. Why I have external USB drives, thumb drives, and DVD media.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:17 AM (HlJeY)

652
Social SCIENCE Graduate Student has completely changed my mind: I always consider the most recent source on anything to be authoritive.
So long, Cracked!!!

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:17 AM (LP2Vw)

653 @647 I can't believe you just said that. WTF, did you start out thinking they were gods or something?

Our narrative is fundamentally better than "their" narrative. There is no reason to abandon the field to enemies, except cowardice. Don't try getting tenure from their committee, though.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 02:18 AM (qaVK+)

654 OPPRESSOR!!1!!

Posted by: Social SCIENCE Graduate Student (who has rejected the lies of white poeple and stuff!!!) at August 07, 2012 02:16 AM (sZTYJ)


Oh, you have no idea.

Posted by: That History Major at August 07, 2012 02:18 AM (bxiXv)

655 Why should I trust Carbonite? I don't know anyone there. So no I won't pay them to back up my data. Why I have external USB drives, thumb drives, and DVD media.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:17 AM (HlJeY)


If you don't trust THE CLOUD, then the cloud will have to report you to DHS...

Posted by: The Cloud at August 07, 2012 02:19 AM (sZTYJ)

656 Seems like me, Mero, and Social SCIENCE Graduate Student were all in the same class together

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:19 AM (LP2Vw)

657 #642: Oh, I'm perfectly willing to say that the "brown man" wasn't always right. I know I'd muchrather live in the United States of America than in the Cherokee Territory that stretched at least from Tennessee to Georgia, through Alabama and Mississippi.

But a lot of North American history is vague and unknown and disputed, due in no small part to the fact that the tribes didn't have written language. We can only try to piece together clues, and argue over the holes between those clues.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:19 AM (3yCFy)

658 Uh oh I think That History Major is about to use the ball gag on Social Science Grad Student.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:19 AM (HlJeY)

659
NO JSUTICE `11~ NO PEACE1!!`~!`!!!

NO JSUTICE `11~ NO PEACE1!!`~!`!!!

NO JSUTICE `11~ NO PEACE1!!`~!`!!!



Native Americans were in touch with polished hardwood.



**THUNK**

Posted by: fluffy at August 07, 2012 02:19 AM (z9HTb)

660 653 @647 I can't believe you just said that. WTF, did you start out thinking they were gods or something?

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 02:18 AM (qaVK+)


No, and fuck narratives. I'm just saying, and I'm shocked that you're shocked, that these academic fields are littered with schlock.

If all you have is a narrative, you don't have a field of study, you have politics.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:20 AM (bxiXv)

661 Oh oh the vampire cloud that Capt. kirk had an obsession over I think has taken over the Internets.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:20 AM (HlJeY)

662 No Dessert! No Piece ... of Pie!!!!!

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:21 AM (qmMAj)

663 or cake !!!

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:22 AM (qmMAj)

664 Howard Zinn used the ball gag on the character of American Historical studies

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:22 AM (LP2Vw)

665 G'night, Morons

Posted by: fluffy at August 07, 2012 02:22 AM (z9HTb)

666 Ah hell ... or even CORNBREAD!!!!

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:22 AM (qmMAj)

667 Good night, Fluffy!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:23 AM (3yCFy)

668 Yeah, I regretted posting that comment almost immediately. You are right, but war is war and sport is sport. Or maybe I'm just thinking too much like a white man right now.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:14 AM (3yCFy)

I got a book in college (not for a course) on Primitive War, describing the spectrum of combat from the lame (California tribes would stand on each edge of a field, toss a few spears and go home. Dodgeball is riskier) to the hard asses like the Zulu who were almost at the edge of 'real' war.

Posted by: Oldcat at August 07, 2012 02:23 AM (rzSn3)

669 Night Fluffy, I think I am out also.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:23 AM (HlJeY)

670 What, cornbread is evil?


We're fucked.

Posted by: fluffy at August 07, 2012 02:24 AM (z9HTb)

671 Good Night fluffy ...

and better tomorrows ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:24 AM (qmMAj)

672 Compare and contrast --

651
Why should I trust Carbonite? I don't know anyone there. So no I won't
pay them to back up my data. Why I have external USB drives, thumb
drives, and DVD media.


Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:17 AM (HlJeY)


http://www.pcworld.com/article/260430/woz_wary_of_cloud.html

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:24 AM (kaalw)

673 Uh oh I think That History Major is about to use the ball gag on Social Science Grad Student.

Posted by: Anna Puma (+SmuD) at August 07, 2012 02:19 AM (HlJeY)


Help! Help! I'm being repressed!

See the violence inherent in the system!

It is oppressive and evil and stuff when you eeevil teabagers do it!

When my Queer Chicana Studies professor uses that on me with all her other sacred impliments which you've never heard of because they go by their Aztec names of "dildo" and "French tickler" she is teaching and correcting me about life and how you are all oppressors and anything she does is pure because he isn't white or strait or a man or stuff !

NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!!!~!`!!!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!!!~!`!!!
NO JUSTIC NO PEACE!!!~!`!!!

Posted by: Social SCIENCE Graduate Student (social Justice advocate and stuff) at August 07, 2012 02:25 AM (sZTYJ)

674 Remember the reality of American academia and then you'll see why American academic output is almost completely anti-european and leftist. Would you be willing to tell the truth if it meant you'd never get tenure anywhere?

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:25 AM (LP2Vw)

675 Bored now.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:26 AM (bxiXv)

676 Too much ladder climbing to get the ceiling washed up ... paintin' time ...

Night, all ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:26 AM (qmMAj)

677 YOU CANNOT PETITION THE LORD WITH PRAYER!!!!!

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:26 AM (kaalw)

678 I used to be a Ph.D. student and now I post on AoS. Somewhere I can speak the truth.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:27 AM (LP2Vw)

679 I'd also like to point out that the Cherokee (apart from the Chickamauga branch) were always quick to see what worked for other people, and incorporate it into their culture. They created a written language and adopted Christianity, after seeing how well those things worked for white men.

They were also quick to adopt free-market capitalism. Today's Cherokee Nation isn't a "reservation" in the way we think of the term; they BOUGHT that land.

And today's Cherokee tend to vote Republican. They also happen to be the largest Indian tribe, and the most prosperous.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:28 AM (3yCFy)

680 Oh, I'm about to head off here, but a couple parting shots on dem Injuns (one of which I'm): Ben Franklin's autobiography has passages about borrowing from Indian constitutions, but also how he saw the way the red man handled his rum as a sign the Great Spirit smiled on whitey. And he expresses this with some wit, clear observation, and no punches pull'd.

And for a fascinating interweaving of mythos of pre-Columbian America, join'em or not, you can't beat that Book O'Mormon. I have a hard time believing anything is Holy Writ, but the plot line is way too good to have been just dashed together by a half-mad wifebeater. It's wrong-headed to prattle owlishly over the Epic of Gilgamesh, and wave off the Mormons. It's some epic stuff.

Posted by: comatus at August 07, 2012 02:28 AM (qaVK+)

681 The monk bought lunch.

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:29 AM (kaalw)

682 Shame to think about how viciously the mormons were persecuted over polygamy and now we're all required to get on the gay marriage bandwagon

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:30 AM (LP2Vw)

683 I'd also like to point out that the Cherokee (apart from the Chickamauga branch) were always quick to see what worked for other people, and incorporate it into their culture. They created a written language and adopted Christianity, after seeing how well those things worked for white men.

They were also quick to adopt free-market capitalism. Today's Cherokee Nation isn't a "reservation" in the way we think of the term; they BOUGHT that land.

And today's Cherokee tend to vote Republican. They also happen to be the largest Indian tribe, and the most prosperous.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:28 AM (3yCFy)


Pffft! Go tell that to the Supreme Court...

Posted by: Andrew Jackson, proud Democrat at August 07, 2012 02:30 AM (sZTYJ)

684 Hey, Adriane


Purdy please can I have my soul back?

Posted by: jc at August 07, 2012 02:30 AM (ufJKx)

685 Deer woman in a silk dress....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:31 AM (kaalw)

686 Oh ... but one last thought ...

article. no name, no linky ...

Spanish doctor came to Mexico and learned several native languages. The thing that killed off many meso Americans post-Conquistidors was NOT smallpox 'cause the native healers knew what smallpox was. They had words for it in their languages.

Modern Rx. reading the accounts of the Spanish Court doctor examined the symptoms and believe the disease was haunta virus. Still a very deadly disease ... easily spread via rodent feces ...

But I have been wrong before and undoubtably will be wrong again ... except on the deliciousness of chocolate cake and the desirability of Ben Browder in a black leather Peacekeeper costume ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:33 AM (qmMAj)

687 Shame to think about how viciously the mormons were persecuted over polygamy and now we're all required to get on the gay marriage bandwagon

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 02:30 AM (LP2Vw)


It is always oppressive when strait white males do it because anything strait white males do is neccissarily oppressive and stuff.

When two queer womyn of color do it, then it is SOCIAL JUSTICE like when my Queer Chiana Studies professor tells me to put these beads in my pooper it is just and stuff because not being strait white or male she is morallly pure and i even get extra credit which foces that oppressor Daddy to fund my education and stuff!1!

Posted by: Social SCIENCE Graduate Student at August 07, 2012 02:34 AM (sZTYJ)

688 Posted by: Robert at August 07, 2012 01:38 AM (4ixH5)

So vary late to the party, but I wanted to say that I like the links you post too. I've never actually clicked on one, but Robert-posting-metal-links is part of what makes the ONT what it is.

Posted by: Polliwogette, teahada Hobbit at August 07, 2012 02:35 AM (S//GH)

689 #688: Indeed!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:36 AM (3yCFy)

690 jc - ...sdrawkcab luos ruoy uoy evig ybereh I.

or something like that.

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:36 AM (qmMAj)

691 Ack! *very* late. Which it clearly is, and I'd better call it a night. Thanks for letting me eaves-drop on the conversation.

Posted by: Polliwogette, teahada Hobbit at August 07, 2012 02:38 AM (S//GH)

692 ....and all the children are insane.....

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:38 AM (kaalw)

693 692
....and all the children are insane.....


Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:38 AM (kaalw)


especially the crazy ones.

Posted by: jc at August 07, 2012 02:39 AM (ufJKx)

694 Good night, Polli!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 02:39 AM (3yCFy)

695 Night, Polliwogette!

pollywallydoodle all the day tomorrow ....

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:39 AM (qmMAj)

696 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGmAmJFUvzM

Posted by: cthulhu at August 07, 2012 02:40 AM (kaalw)

697 Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:33 AM (qmMAj)

I always liked the officer's uniform, the early ones, but I have to admit I would not look as good in them as Ben does.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:42 AM (bxiXv)

698 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMycc_InNoA

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:45 AM (qmMAj)

699 Robert, keep posting yer tunes, for us to pick and choose among..... Cleveland fans - it's pretty bad when you get clobbered by the Twins (Zakn, can I saw resurrgent Twins? Please please?)

Posted by: zeera at August 07, 2012 02:45 AM (XtxRN)

700 Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:42 AM (bxiXv)

Few do ... my friend ... few do ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 02:46 AM (qmMAj)

701 Words would diminish how much I've love to see a Buckley moment on Bill Maher's show.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at August 07, 2012 02:52 AM (DQhAB)

702 The Peacekeeper longcoat is too cool, but *every* replica I've seen looks cheap.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:54 AM (bxiXv)

703 Cthulhu wrut @ 547,

But that's when I pulled the plug on "happy, jolly, fun freaks" and
started looking at them as "dangerous potentially violent thugs".


Exhibit A: Robert Blake
Exhibit B: Phil Spector

These are both people I long considered harmless eccentrics who turned out to be homicidal lunatics.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 07, 2012 02:55 AM (IlZPo)

704 Fuck obama, let our military vote.

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:03 AM (OTK2G)

705 Stop Zeera. I know you want to be hopeful, but.....12.5 Games back....not even 500...

If they were 500 and 10 games back I would be inclined to entertain the idea of resurgent.

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 03:03 AM (7F9i5)

706 History is only slightly better off than
Archaeology, which is only slightly better off than Climatology, which
is only slightly better off than Astrology. Maybe.



Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:15 AM (bxiXv)

Whoa, there! Astrologers made serious and accurate measurements that eventually grew into Astronomy and are useful to this very day. They were a bit whacked on the interpretations of the data, but at root they were doing science ... unlike the rest of the clowns you listed.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:03 AM (X3lox)

707 #706: I wouldn't be so quick to call, for example, Victor Davis Hanson a clown.

Howard Zinn? Yeah, call him whatever you want. He did indeed suck.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 03:05 AM (3yCFy)

708 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:03 AM (X3lox)

Thus the maybe.

There are good people in each of those fields, doing good work. And a lot of bad, which was my point.

I didn't say it was all bad or useless, just that the "90% of everything is crap" rule definitely applies, and we forget it sometimes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:06 AM (bxiXv)

709 Serenity in legos ...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/brickfrenzy/sets/72157630914408000/with/7717701618/

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 03:07 AM (qmMAj)

710 I didn't say it was all bad or useless, just that the "90% of everything is crap" rule definitely applies, and we forget it sometimes.

Sturgeon's Law!

90% of Science Fiction is crud; but then again, 90% of everything is crud ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 03:08 AM (qmMAj)

711 They really should make new Firefly shows.

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 03:09 AM (7F9i5)

712 Roses are red,
Angels live in Heaven,
I think I'm out for the night,
at Numero 7 - 11

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 03:09 AM (qmMAj)

713 People are always all like, "link all your accounts and data together and store it online," and I'm always all like, "no."



Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 02:09 AM (bxiXv)


Aside from the accounts and stuff, why anyone would subscribe to a service that could remotely screw with their home data is just beyond me. The stuff that idiot in the article was talking about having set up about sounded like total lunacy to me. I don't get that at all.

I'm sure this guy is a big supporter of ObamaScare and loved that creepy commercial where the patient was seeing his doctor on the stage and had random strangers in the packed audience screaming out his personal medical history.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:10 AM (X3lox)

714 711 They really should make new Firefly shows.
Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 03:09 AM (7F9i5)


Joss can pretty much do whatever he wants after Avengers.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:10 AM (bxiXv)

715 Dig and Delve ... I actually hit 712.

Yeah Verily, more Firefly ...

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 03:11 AM (qmMAj)

716
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:06 AM (bxiXv)


You were right on the nose with the rest of the fields. Astrologers and Alchemists, though, did real science even if they were trying to be crackpots The others suffer from the opposite.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:13 AM (X3lox)

717 The Onion said Michelle Bachmann said thank goodness no Americans died in the Sikh shooting.
And the dumbass leftists fell for it. God Help our country.

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:13 AM (OTK2G)

718 I could see intstalling the Find my Phone thing, but not on the mac book. Thats what enabled the remote wipe.

Couldn't happen to a bigger apple tard

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 03:14 AM (7F9i5)

719 Crud. I'm in Coventry!

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 07, 2012 03:14 AM (IlZPo)

720 Aside from the accounts and stuff, why anyone would subscribe to a service that could remotely screw with their home data is just beyond me. The stuff that idiot in the article was talking about having set up about sounded like total lunacy to me. I don't get that at all.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:10 AM (X3lox)


It's the default. I don't blame people for not being tech-savvy. That doesn't mean they don't annoy me sometimes, but everyone can't be an expert on everything.

The prime villain is the vandal, the secondary the designer who took shortcuts, the last is the poor shmoe who trusted the system.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:15 AM (bxiXv)

721 #717: Just like how Sarah Palin "can see Russia from my house!"

Oh, but WE'RE the dumb ones.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 03:16 AM (3yCFy)

722 #707 Yes, but please remember that VDH was exiled to the most backwater university in CA., Cal State Fresno. So he was not completely exiled, just put far enough away that the good citizens of CA. aren't in any danger of infection.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 03:16 AM (LP2Vw)

723 And the dumbass leftists fell for it. God Help our country.
Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:13 AM (OTK2G)


Hasn't been a mass murder in a while they didn't either orchestrate or dip their hands in the blood to wave for political advantage.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:17 AM (bxiXv)

724 why anyone would subscribe to a service that could remotely screw with their home data

Woz was bashing cloud computing recently too. No clouds for me, no wifi(unless I'm filching someone else's), no cordless phones. My cell is turned off, for emergency use only.

My house is wired with copper everywhere for phone/LAN. The only ones that can sniff signals off copper are the NSA/CIA types...and if you put it in metal conduit, then even they can't do it.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 07, 2012 03:19 AM (2JlWY)

725 Hasn't been a mass murder in a while they didn't either orchestrate or dip their hands in the blood to wave for political advantage.
Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:17 AM (bxiXv)
true

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:19 AM (OTK2G)

726 #722: Good point!

By the way, DAve, given my later comments about the Cherokee, do you still think I'm in the thrall of the "noble savage" fallacy?

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 03:19 AM (3yCFy)

727 Good Night, Primordial, night Mero, night Zakn, Prothonotary Warbler, lou's, Otis, zeera, Robert, elder god, Mister Christopher, Joss, Hoss, kittehs, guard dogs, security system designers, JPL enginerds, Marvin the Martian, morons, -ettes, lurkers, trolls, things that go bump in Ragu commercials ... and the aforementioned Ben Browder in the aforementioned non-cheap, original Peacekeeper black leather longcoat ...

GOOD MORNING, VIC!!!!

Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 03:20 AM (qmMAj)

728 721 #717: Just like how Sarah Palin "can see Russia from my house!"Oh, but WE'RE the dumb ones.
Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 03:16 AM (3yCFy)
They wish

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:20 AM (OTK2G)

729 Good night, Adriane!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 03:20 AM (3yCFy)

730 It's the default. I don't blame people for not being
tech-savvy. That doesn't mean they don't annoy me sometimes, but
everyone can't be an expert on everything.


The guy writes for a tech magazine ... or something, which is why he had links to Gizmodo.


The prime villain is the vandal, the secondary the designer who took
shortcuts, the last is the poor shmoe who trusted the system.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:15 AM (bxiXv)

No doubt. A few commenters told him to stuff his "promise" not to press charges (I don't even think it's his choice on a lot of that, anyway) and to burn the little freaks, which he would do if he were ... an ethical person.

Don't forget apple and amazon. But then, it's his fault for trusting them, too. Only an idiot would trust either of those companies. Apple especially. They've been assholes since Day One.

I loved the part about how he started all this because he wanted to buy 99 cent songs on iTunes ... which was a total friggin rip-off! Apple people love to be abused. Steve Jobs understood that. If he treated his customers like humans they would have left him long ago. They like being held in contempt. They need to be.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:21 AM (X3lox)

731 Back to the salt mines. See ya'll in an hour.

Zeera: Stop getting your hopes up until over .500.....

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 03:21 AM (7F9i5)

732 Posted by: a cynical but rarely angry Adriane at August 07, 2012 03:20 AM (qmMAj)
Hi and goodbye. Have a blessed tommorow.

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:21 AM (OTK2G)

733 Night, Adriane.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:21 AM (X3lox)

734 Apple customers are cultists. They'll tolerate all manner of abuse.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 07, 2012 03:22 AM (2JlWY)

735 The Left has left a pile of bodies in their wake that blots out the sky, yet *we're* the scary ones.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:22 AM (bxiXv)

736 It's not just Apple.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:23 AM (bxiXv)

737 A handful of bodies is a tragedy, millions are just a number.

Posted by: @PurpAv at August 07, 2012 03:23 AM (2JlWY)

738 Apple customers are cultists. They'll tolerate all manner of abuse.


Posted by: @PurpAv at August 07, 2012 03:22 AM (2JlWY)


Not just tolerate, they need it. They're masochistic cultists with low self-esteem ... and bad taste.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:25 AM (X3lox)

739 #737: The exact quote was, "One death is a tragedy. A million deaths is a statistic." Josef Stalin said it.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 03:25 AM (3yCFy)

740 List Steam Mero...I know you want too

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 03:25 AM (mLXaN)

741 hmm flyweight boxing or men's field hockey

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:26 AM (tw6Ar)

742 First fkn story on local news is wild monkeys missing in lv. WTF, there really is nothing else going on in the world that deserves more attention then this bs. I am at my wits end with the media. Maybe that is why i refuse to watch the tv media. They are so full of shit.
Sorry guys. I will chill out. Gonna go smoke a still legal cig.

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:26 AM (OTK2G)

743 I effin hate iTunes.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 07, 2012 03:27 AM (bxiXv)

744 First fkn story on local news is wild monkeys
missing in lv. WTF, there really is nothing else going on in the world
that deserves more attention then this bs. I am at my wits end with the
media. Maybe that is why i refuse to watch the tv media. They are so
full of shit.

Sorry guys. I will chill out. Gonna go smoke a still legal cig.

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:26 AM (OTK2G)

AW LAUDY!!! THEY BE DOING A FLUFF PIECE!!!

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:28 AM (tw6Ar)

745 hmm flyweight boxing or men's field hockey


Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:26 AM (tw6Ar)


Either one beats that stupid handball/soccer whatever made-up game. Euros should just stick to sports that don't use the opposable thumb.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:29 AM (X3lox)

746 Hey Warbler naaah I don't know enough about it and you obviously know a million times what i do. I was referring to that narrative so pernicious that people don't even recognize it when it's pouring out of their mouths. When you have kids in gov't. schools it's like their education begins when they come home and tell you what they were taught today in class.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 03:30 AM (LP2Vw)

747 Zakn, 8-3, we're trending in the right direction. plus Nioshi is the secret weapon Gardie's been waiting for. G'night Adriane! Congrats on keeping it from Robert

Posted by: zeera at August 07, 2012 03:32 AM (XtxRN)

748 #746: True. I had one major thing that I'd "learned" exposed as a falsehood tonight, so I do understand what you're talking about.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 03:33 AM (3yCFy)

749 Either one beats that stupid handball/soccer
whatever made-up game. Euros should just stick to sports that don't use
the opposable thumb.


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:29 AM (X3lox)

Water Polo?

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:33 AM (tw6Ar)

750 Water Polo?
Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:33 AM (tw6Ar)
Yeah, American girl wins pole vault.
Oops, did not realize how that statement could come apart on the ont.

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:35 AM (OTK2G)

751 Water Polo?


Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:33 AM (tw6Ar)


I like water polo, though it's boring as hell and shouldn't be in the Olympics. Tough, tough sport. Opposable thumb is fairly optional in it, though. Borderline okay for Euros.

Too much cheating as part of the game, though.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:36 AM (X3lox)

752
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:36 AM (X3lox)

you need the thumbs for grabbing the skin on someone's ribs and twisting or squeezing someone's nuts. If there was a way to do underwater cams without the occasional nakedness, it would make for such a better viewing experience as yeah, that game is fucking brutal under the water.It's akin to people who bitch about female field hockey without grasping the concept of getting hit with an over sized billiards ball and with a stick made of hard wood without really any padding. Men's field hockey on the other hand, for fuck sake, just play lacross

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:41 AM (tw6Ar)

753 Going night night. Sorry I was a bitch on the ont. Like I said, at my wits end with these loser/libs
Well you know.

Posted by: lou's a girl at August 07, 2012 03:45 AM (OTK2G)

754 Treading water was always a personal dislike of mine. Water polo players and Navy SEALS have always had my highest regard as a result

Posted by: zeera at August 07, 2012 03:46 AM (XtxRN)

755
Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:41 AM (tw6Ar)


When I was swimming, one of our teams put together an impromptu water polo team in the off-season for shits and giggles - to stay in shape. Man, we were in for a big surprise. The only reason half of us didn't drown was because most schools didn't have large enough deep water pools to play in, so we could stand when we got tired. It was brutal! And just plain nasty.

I respect the guys who play that game. They are tough as nails and in phenomenal shape ... but I can't stand watching it. Too slow above water. Too dirty below.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:49 AM (X3lox)

756 #722

You mean the major school closest to the land that has been in his family for generations, where he grew up and continues to live and farm?

Hardly an exile. Flying under the radar perhaps but in the 21 Century it doesn't matter where your body lives as long as you can reach the net.

Something the big book publishers are having driven home to them in horror and dread.

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 03:52 AM (kcfmt)

757 Treading water was always a personal dislike of
mine. Water polo players and Navy SEALS have always had my highest
regard as a result

Posted by: zeera at August 07, 2012 03:46 AM (XtxRN)

I consider myself a decent swimmer but I could never learn the eggkick thing to save my life
When I was swimming, one of our teams put together
an impromptu water polo team in the off-season for shits and giggles -
to stay in shape. Man, we were in for a big surprise. The only reason
half of us didn't drown was because most schools didn't have large
enough deep water pools to play in, so we could stand when we got tired.
It was brutal! And just plain nasty.

I respect the guys who play
that game. They are tough as nails and in phenomenal shape ... but I
can't stand watching it. Too slow above water. Too dirty below.


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 03:49 AM (X3lox)

lol

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:54 AM (tw6Ar)

758 hmm my formatting sucks

I could never learn the egg kick thing to save my life

Water Polo isn't a game to get into on a whim

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:58 AM (tw6Ar)

759 *Hic*

Posted by: Robert's internet connection at August 07, 2012 03:58 AM (4ixH5)

760 Oh, by the way, years ago, I saw an episode of Dharma and Greg where they had an old Indian who said there was "no such thing" as a "Cherokee princess" when a white character tried to claim descendancy from one. I've since learned that that's not exactly true.

I mentioned the Chickamauga branch earlier tonight, those Cherokee who split off from the main tribe to keep fighting the white man. The were actually led in battle by women! I think this is because terrible things happen to women in battle, so having a female leader is a way to make a man fight harder so she's not put in the position of having to surrender.

The greatest of these Chickamauga war women was Cornblossom. She was the cousin of Sequoia, and the daughter of Chickamauga chief Doublehead. In 1810, the war against whitey wasn't going so well, so Cornblossom was taking the Chickamauga children out of Kentucky territory, to a missionary in Tennessee. She had plans to meet up with reinforcements led by her husband, Big Jake Troxell, at Ywahoo Falls in Kentucky.

She was instead met by Indians who'd been hired by the Kentucky territorial governor, John Seveir, to fight the Cherokee.

She fought them, and singlehandedly kept the children safe until Jake arrived with his reinforcements. Accounts differ on how it went for her; some say she died, some say she lived but "was never the same" afterwards.

Anyway, after the battle Jake decided it would be better to split up the children between multiple white families. He took it upon himself to find homes for all of them, and told them to think of him as their father and Cornblossom as their mother.

Seveir, as it turned out, was satisfied with this outcome. He just didn't like the Chickamauga culture, which encouraged attacking white women and children. With the culture gone, everything was good.

Anyway, those Chickamauga children, raised by white people, thought of "Beloved War Woman" Cornblossom as their mother. Now, if you were explaining the concept of a Chickamauga War Woman to a white kid, how would you put it?

A Cherokee Princess, of course. And since these children all viewed Cornblossom as their mother, it follows that their children would be told they're descended from a Cherokee princess.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 04:01 AM (3yCFy)

761 Concrete evidence of exactly what I was warning about two nights ago: http://tinyurl.com/9uwsw77 People we gotta be smarter than this...

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 04:02 AM (LP2Vw)

762 still pissed I missed the canoe slalom event

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 04:03 AM (tw6Ar)

763 #754: Ugh. I remember when I got my SCUBA certification. The first training session, I had to swim, IIRC, 300 meters and then tread water for 15 minutes.

I had like 4% body fat at the time, so this was actually really hard for me. I felt pretty awesome when I succeeded, though.

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 04:07 AM (3yCFy)

764 I believe that if you were in CA. you'd recognize better what an academic exile the Cal State system is. The focus is on teacher and other mid-level job training and hardly anyone that teaches there is an academic, and certainly not considered one by mainstream academics. It's one step above community colleges.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 04:07 AM (LP2Vw)

765 so 3pm for the finals of Women Hurdles

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 04:08 AM (tw6Ar)

766 UC is a research university, CSU is a teaching university

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 04:10 AM (LP2Vw)

767 #604

It was largely an homage to L. Sprague deCamp's 'Lest Darkness Fall.' Which in turn was inspired by Mark Twain's 'A CT Yankee in King Arthur's Court.'

Time travel is the device for the 'lazy' school of alternate history stories. I prefer the 'butterfly effect' approach the doesn't have any participants aware of the difference. The difficulty there is getting too subtle and leaving those readers with no knowledge of the history at issue in the dark,

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 04:10 AM (kcfmt)

768 VDH is one of my faves, but there's no waythe leftist hordes would haveallowed him to prosper at the University of California. I know, 'cuz I was there in a big way for many years.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 04:13 AM (LP2Vw)

769 Water Polo isn't a game to get into on a whim


Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 03:58 AM (tw6Ar)


Now you tell me! That's okay, I learned the hard way, the way I like it. I was always a dog in swim practice (I was a sprinter) but in water polo after a few sprints to get the stupid ball there was no way to rest, just more swimming. It's only slow from the audience's point of view

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at August 07, 2012 04:14 AM (X3lox)

770 #764

I AM in California, and I'm familiar with the area where VDH lives. He has written repeatedly about his decision to stay and keep up the family farm. This limited his choices of venues but that hasn't stopped him from becoming quite well known outside academia. While people working at more prominent facilities languish in obscurity, known only to their colleagues and those student who will eventually become colleagues.

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 04:16 AM (kcfmt)

771 Shame to say I'm not sure that the University system in CA. would ever give someone like him tenure ever again.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 04:18 AM (LP2Vw)

772 so I've got monitor 1 setup for Starcraft, monitor 2 for web shit and monitor 3 for track and field

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 04:23 AM (tw6Ar)

773 Whoa, it's late! Good night, everyone!

Posted by: Prothonotary Warbler at August 07, 2012 04:26 AM (3yCFy)

774 #771

Just as well it's all being eroded away. Modern communications is undermining the strongholds of the academic gatekeepers. Fifty years from now only those who have devoted deep study will understand how the system we know operated and filtered what reached a wide audience, just as it can be difficult for a casual observer of today to understand how a large organization in distant history functioned without so many of the tools we rely upon.

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 04:29 AM (kcfmt)

775 #772

No dedicated display for anime? Or does that fall under #2's duties?

Looks like things are winding down, so I guess I'll watch the remaining episodes of 'Heaven's Lost Property.'

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 04:31 AM (kcfmt)

776 My little ginger!!!



Posted by: moki at August 06, 2012 11:32 PM (dZmFh)


I love gingers. They're tough. And for once I mean that in a completely non-creepifying way.


If you ever need anything...blood plasma, bone marrow...let me know. I can be in FL in about 8 hours (6 if The Man ain't looking - which he always is).


Back to work now.

Posted by: GGE of the Moron Horde, NC Chapter at August 07, 2012 04:31 AM (xa1/W)

777 No dedicated display for anime? Or does that fall under #2's duties?


Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 04:31 AM (kcfmt)

haven't been watching much anime lately, only thing I'm doing is re-watching OG Gundam. Been quite awhile since I've watched the first couple of series

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 04:34 AM (tw6Ar)

778 Similarly, there is almost no chance Thomas Jefferson could get elected President these days.

Posted by: DAve at August 07, 2012 04:46 AM (LP2Vw)

779 if nothing else, at least Field Hockey will make people sick of Nero's Innocence song (it not that great of a song on that album)

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 04:46 AM (tw6Ar)

780 We'd need another revolution to get another Jefferson. And we'd need to be a young nation with the founding still in living memory to get another Lincoln.

People who are capable of much but come along at the wrong time are remembered as troublemakers if they're remembered at all.

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 04:51 AM (kcfmt)

781 The Gore Vidal link goes to a horrible piece in Slate which basically says Gore Vidal was a monster because he was conservative. Which is insane.

Posted by: REV AL at August 07, 2012 05:07 AM (Aosrs)

782 man, the thighs on this female javelin thrower for Oz

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 05:11 AM (tw6Ar)

783 #781

Gore Vidal conservative? How old is the person who wrote this? How would they describe William Buckley, if they have any knowledge of who he was?

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 05:15 AM (kcfmt)

784 Winter can't get here soon enough. I'm fucking tired of sweating.

I seriously want to chug seawater.

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 05:23 AM (7F9i5)

785 Amateurs argue about tactics. Professionals study John Keegan.

Posted by: VADM (Red) Cuthbert Collingwood RN (Mentioned in Dispatches) at August 07, 2012 05:27 AM (p4U6S)

786 Winter can't get here soon enough. I'm fucking tired of sweating.



I seriously want to chug seawater.

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 05:23 AM (7F9i5)

be nice if we got snow here, I think I got to take out my snowmobile three times last winter

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 05:30 AM (tw6Ar)

787 We didnt get shit for snow last winter either. I wouldn't mind some more this year

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 05:44 AM (Hh8ts)

788 Yeah, I could really do without the triple digit temps. But they are forecast for several more days. So I'm trying to sleep during the day and do book work at night.

Posted by: epobirs at August 07, 2012 05:49 AM (kcfmt)

789 Zakn's desire for snow is a minority opinion.

Posted by: zeera at August 07, 2012 05:50 AM (XtxRN)

790 bah, that's sad. Chinese runner fell down in the hurdles qualifier hurt. He got up and ran on one leg across the finish line

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 05:51 AM (tw6Ar)

791 Pushing 800. ONTers were lighting it up.
And this damn phone is doing its slow typing thing this am.

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:04 AM (x1L8S)

792 Guess I'll just plug it in since I didn't last night and make my second cup.
Mornin' all.

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:08 AM (U7Ivf)

793 I guess

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:31 AM (32Scy)

794 if we're

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:32 AM (32Scy)

795 Gonna roll

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:33 AM (32Scy)

796 this 800 series

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:34 AM (32Scy)

797 it's

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:35 AM (32Scy)

798 up

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:36 AM (32Scy)

799 c-c-c-c-COMBO BREAKER

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 06:36 AM (tw6Ar)

800 to

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:37 AM (32Scy)

801 The Dude!!!!
Way to come through.
That was clutch.

Posted by: teej says free Miss Marple at August 07, 2012 06:39 AM (32Scy)

802 yep, leave it to me to drag out some old Killer Instinct (videogame) reference

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 06:41 AM (tw6Ar)

803 Do you people ever sleep?..got up to let the dog out, love you morons anyway

Posted by: AlaskaGal at August 07, 2012 06:42 AM (8olVP)

804 South Africa bringing some heat in the javelin throw

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 06:43 AM (tw6Ar)

805 leave it to Bolt to not even try and demolish the first heat (he jogged half the race). If he doesn't beat his current record, it's going to be disappointing

Posted by: The Dude at August 07, 2012 06:55 AM (tw6Ar)

806 Heh KI. Remember how awesome that game looked back in the day? Bet it looks like ass today tho

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 07:01 AM (LttFA)

807 Oh AG, some people work nights

Posted by: Zakn at August 07, 2012 07:02 AM (LttFA)

808 https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=spW21fM8Wow#

Quite possibly the worst interview CNN has produced, Piers Morgan does his best to speak over the person he invited onto his show, and then invites a video link to do the same as part of an anti-gun tag team.

Posted by: moom at August 07, 2012 11:35 AM (XV9ZM)

809 I miss Vidal Sassoon Gore so much I could stage a kiss in at teh haterz christianist ribs n chicken shack nearest me.

Posted by: unemployed pinkster protesing at a kiss in at August 07, 2012 12:23 PM (OJCL9)

810 damn, fixed the sock. Now improved with Huge Uptwinkle Results

Posted by: unemployed pinkster who gets purposful results at August 07, 2012 12:25 PM (OJCL9)

811 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 07, 2012 01:53 PM (6o4Fb)






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