Overnight Open Thread (5-14-2012)

Agreement Groups in the US Senate

So here's a interesting visualization of voting groups in the Senate over the last 15 years. Red is Republicans, blue is Democrats.

Note that in the 110th Congress (2007-2009) there were 10 Republican senators who were actually classified as Democrats in this chart based on their votes - along with a much smaller group of GOP-voting Democratic Senators.

Most of whom are either moderates or closer to the Democrats than to their own party. Charles Hagel was critic of the Bush Administration which he described as "the lowest in capacity, in capability, in policy, in consensus - almost every area" of any presidency in the last forty years. George Voinovich has been known to oppose lowering taxes and frequently joined the Democrats on tax issues. John Warner is a moderate Republican and has centrist stances on many issues, to the point that he once faced opposition of other members of his own party when he decided to run for re-election.

Plus you had the Maine sisters and John McCain.

But of course it's the Republicans who are extremists that never cross the aisle to work with the opposition. </sarc>

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Tip for WaPo: Look Into Young Joe Biden

While the media is focusing on Romney's pranks in high school, it turns out that Sheriff Joe himself was a rather prankish brawling young buffoon:

the Washington Post might want to devote some investigative resources toward the background of Vice President Joseph Biden. That's right, "Sheriff Joe" was reportedly involved in a spate of anti-social activities as a child and adolescent, including but not limited to elaborate neighborhood pranks, street brawls, and even an assault on a lowly dorm employee in college.

...And before that, University of Delaware, where he only screwed around, trying to be Joe College-got probation for dousing the dorm director with a fire extinguisher. . Then there were hijinks from high school, streaking the parking lot. . They were getting back to childhood sins, stuff where the priest says, "Two Hail Marys" . but Joe was still talking.

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Best Juicebox Tweet. Ever.

But what about a reverse-commencement, where young folks tell their elders what they should know? What should be in that speech? [2/2]

- Ezra Klein (@ezraklein) May 8, 2012

An then you have this matching juicebox tweet:

Do we think presidential assassinations would be a common occurrence if there were no Secret Service?

- Matt Yglesias (@mattyglesias) May 11, 2012

Just remember that both of these juiceboxers are professional journalists who somehow enjoy (undue) respect and probably make more than you.

The Crashed P-40 Found in the Sahara

This has probably already been covered here several times but just in case...

Recently a P-40 was found in the Egyptian desert in remarkably preserved condition:

The chance find was made by an oil worker exploring a remote region of the Western Desert in Egypt. It is more than 200 miles from the nearest town in a vast expanse of largely featureless terrain.

Flight Sergeant Copping, part of a fighter unit based in Egypt during the North Africa campaign against Rommel, is believed to have lost his bearings while flying the damaged Kittyhawk to another airbase for repair. All that is known is that he went off course and was never seen again.

Remarkably, the plane remained almost untouched for the next seven decades - right down to the guns and ammunition found with it. Most of the cockpit instruments are intact, and the twisted propeller lies a few feet from the fuselage.

Crucially, the P-40's identification plates are untouched - allowing researchers to track its provenance and service history. There is flak damage in the fuselage, which is consistent with documents on the aircraft. Historian Andy Saunders said: 'It is a quite incredible time capsule. It's the aviation equivalent of Tutankhamun's tomb.

'This plane has been lying in the same spot where it crashed 70 years ago.
'It hasn't been hidden in the sand, it has just sat there.
'He must have survived the crash because one photo shows a parachute around the frame of the plane and my guess is the poor bloke used it to shelter from the sun. The radio and batteries were out of the plane and it looks like he tried to get it working.

'If he died at the side of the plane his remains would have been found. Once he had crashed there, nobody was going to come and get him. It is more likely he tried to walk out of the desert but ended up walking to his death. It is too hideous to contemplate.'

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And here are more details on the pilot, Flight Sergeant Denis Copping, who went missing in June 1942.

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How to Open a Door Chain Lock or Bar Latch from the Outside

As always use your moron powers for good.

All you need is some kind of string (dental floss, yarn, ribbon, etc.) or a sturdy rubber band (the thicker the better, so it won't snap under pressure). Both methods require manipulating the material so that the chain end is pulled towards the wider slot that will make the chain fall out, hence unlocking the door.

So How Long Did Cave-babies Breast Feed?

Short answer: Probably for two to four years:

The fossil record provides little indication of weaning times, so the best evidence we have comes from our closest living relatives in the animal kingdom. Chimpanzees and bonobos wean their young at the age of 4 or 5, while gorillas do so about a year earlier. It's tricky to translate those ages into human years, though.

...Anthropologists have studied the weaning customs of hunter gatherer societies, and found significant variation. The !Kung San of the Kalahari desert stop breast-feeding at around 4 or 5 years of age. The Hadza of Tanzania wean about six months earlier than the !Kung. The Acha people of Paraguay wean earlier still, at around 3 years of age.

And Bookworm points out that if you were put off by Time's recent cover, it doesn't mean that you're against breast-feeding or mother-babyson bonding:

That woman on the cover isn't bonding, she's advocating. She's so "in your face" she practically leaps off the cover, clawing at your eyeballs. This picture can best be analogized to a porn picture. In those, the woman, rather than gazing lovingly at her partner, turns her seductive gaze to the camera - and to the viewer beyond. Just as porn isn't about love, this photo isn't about bonding with a baby. This is one Mom's statement about the "evils" of American culture, nicely captured on the front page of a magazine owned and distributed by vast corporate interests.

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4 Artists Who Should Probably Just Take a Break for a While

Case in point - the Johnny Depp-Tim Burton collaboration:

In the last 10 years, Johnny Depp has collaborated with Tim Burton on five films. He wore pale makeup and crazy hair in four of those five (the fifth was Corpse Bride, where Depp's character, while made of clay, still had a pale face and weird hair), and while he was always enjoyable to watch, no character really stands out as particularly iconic; they're all mostly just eccentric, and they sound funny.

...I haven't found a single critic who thinks either Burton or Depp have made their best work together in the last 10 years. I'd go as far as to say that Burton's last great movie was Big Fish, which is suspiciously the only move he made in the last 10 years that didn't feature Depp.

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And my twitter thang.

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Comments

1 Thank goodness

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 14, 2012 09:46 PM (piMMO)

2 Great, I could have gone the rest of my life happy without the image of Joe Biden streaking.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 09:49 PM (ykSKg)

3 Is this thread being observed from the sky?

Posted by: fluffy at May 14, 2012 09:52 PM (O6q63)

4 The fossil record provides little indication of weaning times, so the best evidence we have comes from our closest living relatives in the animal kingdom. Chimpanzees and bonobos wean their young at the age of 4 or 5, while gorillas do so about a year earlier. It's tricky to translate those ages into human years, though.

Science!
What can't it do?

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 09:52 PM (Br0dO)

5 I nailed the dean of the Crane School of Music with a water balloon back when I was a exuberant young undergrad. I was smart enough to not get caught though.

Quite an amazing shot actually - a hook shot about 100' out of a 3rd story bathroom window in the dorm.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 14, 2012 09:52 PM (Lo/y1)

6 Why does no one here ever include this video with the stuff about Tim Burton and Johnny Depp. http://tinyurl.com/76bheqp

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 09:52 PM (GULKT)

7 g'evenin', 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 14, 2012 09:52 PM (JMmQ9)

8 Yay! Thanks for the ONT Maet. Now I can go play WoW after gardening all day, but it will be secure in the knowledge that the ONT awaits.

Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 14, 2012 09:53 PM (X8/ER)

9 Biden streaked? Did he have a combover?

Posted by: huerfano at May 14, 2012 09:53 PM (bAGA/)

10 Is this thread being observed from the sky?

No but if you step a little closer I will grope your junk

Posted by: freindly neighborhood TSA agent at May 14, 2012 09:53 PM (kPe9l)

11 Howdy, morons.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 09:53 PM (7yvLv)

12 Speaking of cavemen and breast-feeding, I asked my wife: How the fuck did we survive in the wild with our babies crying so damn loud almost all day? Wouldn't that be like a dinner bell for lions and hyenas?

She said the babies were kept in trees, but I still don't know how that worked on the plains of Africa, or with patient predators who hung around the base of the tree.

Anyone know if "serious" researchers have looked into this?

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 09:54 PM (ykSKg)

13 >>>If you want to know what happens to a kid who never gets told "No," look at Seth MacFarlane's career. The resurrection of Family Guy was the worst thing to happen to his ego, because it was basically a way for him to tell himself "Hey, I was right. All of the higher-ups who said the show was too weird, or that not enough people watched it, or that I was more obsessed with making obscure references than I was with telling stories and, occasionally, jokes -- that was ALL HORSESHIT. I never should have doubted myself. And I never will again."

In short, Seth MacFarlane began to insist on himself way too much.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 14, 2012 09:55 PM (RvlzX)

14 Buddy sent me a photoshop of Biden talking to JEF. Had Biden wearing one of those big plastic dog collars used to keep them from licking where their balls used to be. Too funny.

Posted by: owlpellets at May 14, 2012 09:55 PM (dmEoV)

15 Hello everyone. I hope everyone is having a wonderful evening

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 09:55 PM (R5yLq)

16 >>In short, Seth MacFarlane began to insist on himself way too much.

ISWYDT.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (hO8IJ)

17 Remember, my good is still *a* good.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (Gk3SS)

18 Anyone know if "serious" researchers have looked into this?

I don't think you can consider anthropology 'serious'.
Archaeology, physical archaeology,sure.
But anthropology is a fucking joke.

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (Br0dO)

19 Wow, relatively early to an ONT! How's everyone tonight?

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (xHWBA)

20 Good evening.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (+ZI77)

21 Without rashy diapers and having a ready tit to feed on, I suspect there was less crying back then than there is today.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (Lo/y1)

22 what is this ONT you speak of???







Posted by: moron #4 at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (AZ8Mb)

23
Joke of the year. More for guys than gals.
Magic Apples
http://tinyurl.com/6rygh5e

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 14, 2012 09:57 PM (JKNDp)

24 #19

Doing wonderful! How are you this evening Theresa?

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 09:58 PM (R5yLq)

25 Beckel on Hannity making a partisan ass of himself once again. Tool actually said he gave Zero credit for admitting his high school stupor days and drug use.

Posted by: Ezra's Equal at May 14, 2012 09:58 PM (4mPcZ)

26 18
Anyone know if "serious" researchers have looked into this?



I don't think you can consider anthropology 'serious'.

Archaeology, physical archaeology,sure.

But anthropology is a fucking joke.

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 09:56 PM (Br0dO)

--What I'm thinking of goes so far back it's more like zoology than anthropology.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 09:58 PM (ykSKg)

27 Through my patented Moron SpyCam®, I see a few of you are wearing pants.

Warning citations will be issued this time.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 14, 2012 09:58 PM (ccXZP)

28 I asked my wife: How the fuck did we survive in the wild with our babies crying so damn loud almost all day?

I once read that the Sioux taught their infants not to wail by pinching their nostrils shut.

Consider this tentative, as it has not been confirmed by Cooks-Own-Goose Warren.

Posted by: fluffy at May 14, 2012 09:58 PM (O6q63)

29 Good evening

Posted by: phoenixgirlphxazgirl at May 14, 2012 09:59 PM (I9Ft3)

30 Ahhh my favorite pistol Ruger Security Six ..With Remington ammo..and no shell casings to worry with wheel gun..

Posted by: Clemenza at May 14, 2012 09:59 PM (YlSwz)

31 any bets on what a huge asshole Joey Biden was as a teenager/young adult??????

Posted by: moron #4 at May 14, 2012 09:59 PM (AZ8Mb)

32 #21

I'm sure he'll go from feeding of his mother to feeding off of the taxpayer.

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 09:59 PM (R5yLq)

33 Rangers draw first blood in the third period. 1-0.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:00 PM (ykSKg)

34 I once read that the Sioux taught their infants not to wail by pinching their nostrils shut.

It wasn't a chicken...it was a baby!!!

Posted by: Hawkeye Pierce at May 14, 2012 10:00 PM (Br0dO)

35 I thought the first juicebox quote was hilarious. Then, I saw who wrote it and realized he was serious.

Posted by: no good deed at May 14, 2012 10:00 PM (mjR67)

36 12
Speaking of cavemen and breast-feeding, I asked my wife: How the fuck
did we survive in the wild with our babies crying so damn loud almost
all day? Wouldn't that be like a dinner bell for lions and hyenas?

She
said the babies were kept in trees, but I still don't know how that
worked on the plains of Africa, or with patient predators who hung
around the base of the tree.

Anyone know if "serious" researchers have looked into this?


Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 09:54 PM (ykSKg)

Baby no cried then. Grog spank baby. Baby no cry. Woman say "oh papi" though. Grog hung like brontosaurus. Baby terrified of Grog manhood, so no cry.

Posted by: Grog the Caveman at May 14, 2012 10:00 PM (1grxW)

37 CNN: Romney just like George Wallace.

http://tinyurl.com/8776g64

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 10:00 PM (+ZI77)

38 Ahhh my favorite pistol Ruger Security Six ..With Remington ammo..and no shell casings to worry with wheel gun..
Posted by: Clemenza at May 14, 2012 09:59 PM (YlSwz)


The smart is strong in this one






.

Posted by: moron #4 at May 14, 2012 10:01 PM (AZ8Mb)

39 #29

Hi Phoenixgirl! How are things?

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:01 PM (R5yLq)

40 31
any bets on what a huge asshole Joey Biden was as a teenager/young adult??????

Posted by: moron #4 at May 14, 2012 09:59 PM (AZ8Mb)

--Especially when you consider his IQ was even higher back then.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:01 PM (ykSKg)

41 While your feeding this tread the chinese are buying your town, banks and oil reserves..

Posted by: Clemenza at May 14, 2012 10:01 PM (YlSwz)

42 I wanted to see Big Fish in the theaters. I didn't thankfully. It wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't great by any means.

Posted by: Ben at May 14, 2012 10:02 PM (UvdzB)

43 Lakers v. Thunder should be a good series.

Posted by: nikkolai at May 14, 2012 10:03 PM (pSsN0)

44 Doing great, HB! Got all my chores done today and am sitting relaxing with a cold beer and the interwebz.

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 10:03 PM (xHWBA)

45 Well I see from the Senate Agreement Groups that you can see which lines the McCain-Graham reacharound are.

Posted by: MrCaniac at May 14, 2012 10:03 PM (1grxW)

46 Joke of the year. More for guys than gals.
Magic Apples
http://tinyurl.com/6rygh5e


****

teeehheeehehee

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 14, 2012 10:03 PM (piMMO)

47 For only 11.95 you can shoot those pesky drones down with your handy Schofield break-action 32 caliber revolver.

Posted by: John Schofield at May 14, 2012 10:04 PM (kkqvX)

48 Grog hung like brontosaurus. Baby terrified of Grog manhood, so no cry.


Posted by: Grog the Caveman at May 14, 2012 10:00 PM
Mmmmm, brontosaurus burgers.

Posted by: Fred Flintstone at May 14, 2012 10:04 PM (1grxW)

49 Hi Hummingbird, hope you had a good day.

For those who've played WoW, exactly how many *weeks* does it take to download those non-critical game updates? I know it says it'll take some time, but this is ridiculous.

Posted by: Polliwog, Teahada hobbit at May 14, 2012 10:05 PM (X8/ER)

50 42
I wanted to see Big Fish in the theaters. I didn't thankfully. It wasn't a bad movie, but it wasn't great by any means.


Posted by: Ben at May 14, 2012 10:02 PM (UvdzB)

--One thing recommending it is that it's one of the few movies that have the father-son relationship front and center.
Secondhand Lions has a very similar plot (it preceded Big Fish) and I thought it was better.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:05 PM (ykSKg)

51
A guy walks into a bar and there's a monkey at the end of the bar.

The bartender says "watch this", whips out his dick and goes over and hits the monkey on the head with a pipe, and the monkey starts sucking the bartenders dick furiously.

The guy sees all this and asks the bartender: "hey can I try that?".

The bartender says sure, no problem.

The guys says "just one thing - please don't hit me on the head with the pipe"

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 14, 2012 10:05 PM (Lo/y1)

52 Is this thread an appropriate place to express my general hatred of all things Tim Burton, and my annoyance with people who assume, based on my profession or the fact that I wore black when I was an idiot teenager, that I must luuuurve him?

No?

Oh, well, little late.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 14, 2012 10:05 PM (snRY5)

53 Well I see from the Senate Agreement Groups that you can see which lines the McCain-Graham reacharound are.

****

Separating those two is the best thing that can happen to Graham. McCain has been a bit too much the maverick mentor.

Graham sounds great on foreign policy. He should stick to that.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 14, 2012 10:05 PM (piMMO)

54 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at May 14, 2012 10:06 PM (7W3wI)

55 @47 sorry but a 50 cal barrett will do a lot more ..
the loads are 5 bucks

Posted by: Clemenza at May 14, 2012 10:06 PM (YlSwz)

56 MAR-TY!
MAR-TY!

Posted by: Rangers Fans at May 14, 2012 10:06 PM (Br0dO)

57 Nice ONT Maet...well, the parts I read anyway.

Posted by: Tami at May 14, 2012 10:06 PM (X6akg)

58
Who sung "Hotter than a Two Dollar Pistol"
And why no 1911 in the catalogue?

Posted by: KZnextzone at May 14, 2012 10:07 PM (UXEgP)

59 Chris Matthews didn't know that the downed U-2 spy pilot was named Francis Gary Powers. He's been in Washington since before I was born and he never learned that name? He also has trouble naming the most famous Detroit Tiger Hall of Famer ever. For a guy who plays gotcha every time a Republican mispronounces a name or admits ignorance of the profoundly trivial Lily Ledbetter Act, he's a remarkably ignorant man.

Chris was truly pathetic on Jeopardy! tonight. Finished third to Robert Gibbs, Obama's former press secretary, and some CNN reporter named Lizzie something.


Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at May 14, 2012 10:08 PM (a5ljo)

60 Re the Cracked article, i have to agree that Rango is a great flick, if you haven't seen it check it out.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 10:08 PM (HI6wa)

61 About that plane,the Egyptian government already stripped the armament and the fear is the muzzies will strip it completely before anyone can recover it.

Posted by: steevy at May 14, 2012 10:08 PM (7W3wI)

62 Saw this article on Ricochet. It seems that the only unionized strip
club in the US (in San Francisco, natch) is going out of business. I
post this without comment.





http://tinyurl.com/869u4zb





Tristan Salazar, a former member of the board of directors who has
worked there over six years, says there were several issues, beginning
with the fact that management was filming the women through one-way
windows - and then putting the video online without their consent.

"There was also what was seen as racist and size-ist scheduling," he
said. "You couldn't get center booth space if you weren't skinnier and
more light-skinned."




When the business began faltering, the workers purchased it for
$400,000, but the poor economy along with online porn sites have taken
their toll.



"Since 2008 my paychecks have been going down, down, down," said
Bijou. "I'm making half of what I was making when I started in 2005."



She says she's out of the Pleasure Booth and out in the job market,
where she hopes to use the doctorate she says she earned in
sociology.


Posted by: Armando, who does not go to strip clubs. Really. at May 14, 2012 10:08 PM (Pf662)

63 @58 because very few people actually know how to use it..

Posted by: Clemenza at May 14, 2012 10:08 PM (YlSwz)

64 Back in 1990, one might have predicted that it would be Winona Ryder that Tim Burton would use to death in his movies instead of (or in addition to) Johnny Depp.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:08 PM (ykSKg)

65 KZnextzone, that would be the Possum, IIRC.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:08 PM (7yvLv)

66 Tell us more about this Eric Whitaker fellow. Please.

We walked the dog up and down Chicago's Magnificent Mile this morning, trolling for bribes, but he did not approach.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 14, 2012 10:09 PM (Afn7T)

67 Who wants to hear Obama talk about the flaws in the Constitution while pandering to women?

http://tinyurl.com/7knba78

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 10:09 PM (+ZI77)

68 Just remember that both of these juiceboxers are professional
journalists who somehow enjoy (undue) respect and probably make more
than you.
***
As I've gotten older, one of the things I've come to realize is just how ignorant I was as a youth. Not ignorant in the sense of stupid, as common culture uses it now, but not knowing things.

Part of it is the vapidity of public education, but a large measure is just that one acquires wisdom by living and nothing else.

Certainly the leftist worship of youthful ignorance is perverse.

Posted by: 18-1 at May 14, 2012 10:09 PM (3aXbg)

69 37
CNN: Romney just like George Wallace.



http://tinyurl.com/8776g64

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 10:00 PM (+ZI77)

He's got the nomination now. It's time for the media to begin the death by a 1000 cuts on him. Every bit of his life is vetted, and yet Barack Obama's life before 2004 is unknown.

Posted by: MrCaniac at May 14, 2012 10:10 PM (1grxW)

70 58 George Jones, IIRC.

Posted by: no good deed at May 14, 2012 10:10 PM (mjR67)

71 A guy walks into a
bar with his pet monkey. He orders a drink, and while he's drinking,
the monkey jumps all over the place, eating everything behind the bar.
Then the monkey jumps on to the pool table and swallows a billiard ball.

The bartender screams at the guy, "Your monkey just ate the cue ball off my pool table -- whole!"

"Sorry," replied the guy. "He eats everything in sight, the little bastard. I'll pay for everything."

The man finishes his drink, pays and leaves.

Two
weeks later, he's in the bar with his pet monkey, again. He orders a
drink, and the monkey starts running around the bar. The monkey finds a
maraschino cherry on the bar. He grabs it, sticks it up his ass, pulls
it out and eats it.

The bartender is disgusted. "Did you see what your monkey did now?" he asks.

"Yeah,"
replies the guy. "He still eats everything in sight, but ever since he
swallowed that cue ball, he measures stuff first."

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 10:10 PM (xHWBA)

72 Re the Cracked article, i have to agree that Rango is a great flick, if you haven't seen it check it out.



****

In my Netflix queue. I might actually watch it now.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 14, 2012 10:11 PM (piMMO)

73 #49

I've had a fabulous day. Stuck started a remodeling project on one of the bathrooms today. I walked in to find him in a muscle shirt and jeans and wearing a tool belt. He had a huge bundle of floor tiles over one shoulder. MMMMM! Now that is what I call a homecoming!

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:12 PM (R5yLq)

74 Burton needs Depp more than vice versa. I thought Rum Diary was pretty good.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:13 PM (ykSKg)

75 Also, Re the Cracked article, the guy doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to the Chili Peppers, they're still a great band and their original guitarist died, not quit and the Foo Fighters are great but their new album sounds like all the others. Ok, enough critiquing Cracked.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 10:13 PM (HI6wa)

76 "He still eats everything in sight, but ever since he
swallowed that cue ball, he measures stuff first."


ROFL

Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 14, 2012 10:13 PM (Lo/y1)

77
Still laughing about the insufferable prick Chris Matthews getting his ass kicked on Jeopardy today. Playing for charity with a chick and Robert Fibbs, the original Obama butt boy and serial prevaricator.

Posted by: Doctor Fish ( Posting from Mom's Computer in Texas) at May 14, 2012 10:14 PM (ndqJC)

78 Yeah, it's a porn shot. And the creation of a new genre, moms I'd like to suck.

Starting with her.

Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 14, 2012 10:15 PM (Afn7T)

79 I've had a fabulous day. Stuck started a remodeling
project on one of the bathrooms today. I walked in to find him in a
muscle shirt and jeans and wearing a tool belt. He had a huge bundle of
floor tiles over one shoulder. MMMMM! Now that is what I call a
homecoming!

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:12 PM (R5yLq)

Yeah, rule #462 of AoSHQ. If this story has some spicy parts, those spicy parts must be shared.

Posted by: MrCaniac, keeper of the AoSHQ Rulebook at May 14, 2012 10:16 PM (1grxW)

80 In my Netflix queue. I might actually watch it now.

It may seem like a kid's flick at first, but stick with it, it's kind of part High Noon and part Chinatown and part Eastwood spaghetti western.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 10:16 PM (HI6wa)

81 Last Burton/Depp flick I saw was "Sweeney Todd - The Demon Barber of Fleet Street". I enjoyed it, mostly for it's gruesome subject matter .

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 14, 2012 10:17 PM (RvlzX)

82 I just made my first donation to Romney.

The time is long past were we get to bitch and moan. He's our candidate; for better or for worse.

It's Romney, or death for America, so just dig deep and donate.

And anyone who complains gets this:

http://is.gd/IT8hq4

Anyone who donates gets this:

http://is.gd/F5ERFV (NSFW)

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 14, 2012 10:17 PM (nEUpB)

83
79 I've had a fabulous day. Stuck started a remodeling project on one of the bathrooms today. I walked in to find him in a muscle shirt and jeans and wearing a tool belt. He had a huge bundle of floor tiles over one shoulder. MMMMM! Now that is what I call a homecoming! Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:12 PM (R5yLq) Yeah, rule #462 of AoSHQ. If this story has some spicy parts, those spicy parts must be shared.
Posted by: MrCaniac, keeper of the AoSHQ Rulebook at May 14, 2012 10:16 PM (1grxW)


Notice she said "started" but did not indicate how much was actually accomplished.

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:18 PM (GULKT)

84 #79

I didn't realize this was a smart military dear penthouse forum blog!

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:18 PM (R5yLq)

85 Sorry, man. After Blood Sugar Sex Magic the Chili's were done.

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 10:18 PM (Br0dO)

86 2-0 Rangers

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:18 PM (ykSKg)

87 #83

He got quite a bit done before I got off work.

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:19 PM (R5yLq)

88 I didn't realize this was a smart military dear penthouse forum blog!

Oh, really? New here?

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:20 PM (7yvLv)

89 Anyone who donates gets this:

http://is.gd/F5ERFV (NSFW)


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at May 14, 2012 10:17 PM (nEUpB)

I'm not so sure that model donated to Romney since she can't afford the top to that bikini.

Posted by: MrCaniac at May 14, 2012 10:20 PM (1grxW)

90 Fishbone > RHCP

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:20 PM (ykSKg)

91 It may seem like a kid's flick at first, but stick with it, it's kind of part High Noon and part Chinatown and part Eastwood spaghetti western.


****

Wow!

That's quite the interesting endorsement.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 14, 2012 10:20 PM (piMMO)

92 Fuck. So, some of you had a good day? I'm happy for you. Really.

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:21 PM (IavxF)

93 Nice pics of that P-40. The original article I saw only had some shitty hand-held cam footage.

Posted by: Waterhouse at May 14, 2012 10:21 PM (JlEPB)

94 before I got off
Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:19 PM (R5yLq)


That's the title of my autobiography!

Posted by: Zombie David Carradine at May 14, 2012 10:21 PM (Br0dO)

95 Fishbone is Red Hot!

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 10:22 PM (Br0dO)

96 CNN: Romney just like George Wallace.

****

Yes.

Just.Like.Him.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 14, 2012 10:22 PM (piMMO)

97
92 Fuck. So, some of you had a good day? I'm happy for you. Really.
Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:21 PM (IavxF)


Did you at least enjoy the Survivor finale last night Peaches?

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:23 PM (GULKT)

98 Hello from occupied Chicago, yet again. On the bright side, I've spent so much time on the road that when I check into my hotel, they're now sending up a 1/2 bottle of Merlot and some Brie and crackers. I'm not a huge fan of either, but I ate the cheese and crackers, and am saving the wine in case I find a need later this week.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at May 14, 2012 10:24 PM (fU9eM)

99 g'evenin' again, 'rons

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 14, 2012 10:25 PM (JMmQ9)

100 Uh-oh, Peaches, I'm afraid to ask.

I'll just say I hope tomorrow's better, and the day after that even betterer.

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 10:25 PM (xHWBA)

101 What's up, Peaches? Did the math on your part of that $16B?

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:26 PM (7yvLv)

102 Yeah,when Rango came out one critic said it could have been shot with live actors as a straight Western.

Posted by: steevy at May 14, 2012 10:26 PM (7W3wI)

103 Yeah, Fishbone > RHCP, but i'd say thier only misses were One Hot Minute and By the Way.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 10:26 PM (HI6wa)

104 I need to stop reading Weasel Zippers this late at night. It spikes my blood pressure and makes it tough to go to sleep. Did anyone catch the Preezy's speech at Barnard where he basically told the recent grads that they are the Greatest Generation because they voted for him? http://tinyurl.com/cxlcz2l

Posted by: no good deed at May 14, 2012 10:28 PM (mjR67)

105
102 Yeah,when Rango came out one critic said it could have been shot with live actors as a straight Western.
Posted by: steevy at May 14, 2012 10:26 PM (7W3wI)


They essentially did that a lot of times. I think you might see some of it in the special features for the movie. The actors acting out the scenes as a stage play.

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:28 PM (GULKT)

106 Peaches, if it makes you feel a teensy bit better, I forgot to have my car started while I was gone and it completely drained the battery. I had to shell out for a rental and lost valuable errand hours today.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:28 PM (ykSKg)

107 Peaches, hope I caught you this time, want to know who you think they will be killing on NCIS tomorrow night for the season finale?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 14, 2012 10:29 PM (RZ8pf)

108 I need to stop reading Weasel Zippers this late at night. It spikes my blood pressure


----

Ya, WZ will do that to ya. Great site. Especially if you have access to anxiety medication.

Posted by: mama winger at May 14, 2012 10:29 PM (P6QsQ)

109 Ah, I'm just cranky today. Which I don't really know how to deal with, I'm far more comfy with the snark and the laughing. In the immortal words of Tom Petty, I'm tired of myself and I'm tired of this town.

And, buzzion, I watched the second hour of Survivor. I was underwhelmed. Kim, okay, fine, she won, but I never really liked her. The best part (okay, I watched some of the third hour) was seeing them rake that fucking asshole Colton over the coals.

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:30 PM (IavxF)

110 Nobody bothered calling Biden on his record of not giving a crap about the fate of Sovite dissidents when he visited the USSR in 1979 with Lugar. The records of his visit came to light after records from the Soviet archives were released. It was off US records but the Russians noted How Lugar and Biden didn't give a crap about the fate of Soviet dissidents.

Two part article at FPM "Biden's secret diplomacy"

http://is.gd/jPP9CC

He's a good match for the JEF, a real piece of crap

Posted by: Toaster at May 14, 2012 10:30 PM (sJKFk)

111 Logprof -

Did I read that you are the proud new papa of a bouncing baby boy? Congratulations!

Posted by: mama winger at May 14, 2012 10:31 PM (P6QsQ)

112 Ah, I'm just cranky today.

---------

Two words. Shooting range.

Posted by: mama winger at May 14, 2012 10:32 PM (P6QsQ)

113 Okay, after reading the Cracked passage about Seth McFarlane, I think I need to watch the South Park "Cartoon Wars" episode again.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:33 PM (ykSKg)

114 Two words. Shooting range.

Two more. Hell, yeah!

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:34 PM (7yvLv)

115 Peaches, hope I caught you this time, want to know who you think they
will be killing on NCIS tomorrow night for the season finale?

That's a tough one, PGiS! I can't even imagine, but I think it's cool that they're doing something like that. I kinda hope it's the Joe Mantegna (?) character, not very fond of him, but the way my luck is trending it will probably be somebody I like.

And, logprof, sorry for the hassle but just nibble the baby's toes for a minute and it will all fade away. Baby-toes are great for nibbling, if you haven't yet gone there. Or, just smell his head, that's ambrosia right there. What is it makes their little heads smell so awesome?

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:34 PM (IavxF)

116 congrats on the baby logprof!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 14, 2012 10:35 PM (RZ8pf)

117 111
Logprof -

Did I read that you are the proud new papa of a bouncing baby boy? Congratulations!


Posted by: mama winger at May 14, 2012 10:31 PM (P6QsQ)

--Yes, and thanks!I hate being away from the little guy, but there's work that needs to be done. . . .

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:35 PM (ykSKg)

118 Ordinary Jeopardy contestants generally keep their game faces no matter where they stand.

The thing about Matthews is, he was openly pissed that he was losing.

Sweet.

Posted by: Jim Sonweed at May 14, 2012 10:36 PM (qPCyi)

119 I kinda hope it's the Joe Mantegna (?) character, not very fond of him,

?? Isn't that the guy on Criminal Minds?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 14, 2012 10:36 PM (RZ8pf)

120 And, logprof, sorry for the hassle but just nibble
the baby's toes for a minute and it will all fade away. Baby-toes are
great for nibbling, if you haven't yet gone there. Or, just smell his
head, that's ambrosia right there. What is it makes their little heads
smell so awesome?


Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:34 PM (IavxF)

--Alas, I'm on the road and can't. I love both playing with his feet and listening to his quiet breathing when he sleeps.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:38 PM (ykSKg)

121 114 Two words. Shooting range. Two more. Hell, yeah!
Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:34 PM (7yvLv)



It'll cure what ails ya. For me, I love the loss of the rest of the world when focusing in on just hitting the target...nothing else matters at that moment, and the satisfaction of a job well done, if I hit, is all the validation I ever need.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at May 14, 2012 10:38 PM (fU9eM)

122 Fuck. So, some of you had a good day? I'm happy for you. Really.

Oh Peaches hon, I'm sorry. I didn't realize you'd had a bad day. Anything I can do to cheer you up?

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:38 PM (R5yLq)

123 The voting group graphic is appearing like an Rorschach test...

Posted by: KZnextzone at May 14, 2012 10:39 PM (UXEgP)

124 Good evening.

Logprof is a new dad?

Congratulation, Logprof!

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 10:39 PM (F79HU)

125
109 Ah, I'm just cranky today. Which I don't really know how to deal with, I'm far more comfy with the snark and the laughing. In the immortal words of Tom Petty, I'm tired of myself and I'm tired of this town.And, buzzion, I watched the second hour of Survivor. I was underwhelmed. Kim, okay, fine, she won, but I never really liked her. The best part (okay, I watched some of the third hour) was seeing them rake that fucking asshole Colton over the coals.
Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:30 PM (IavxF)


Well of those left she pretty much was the most deserving, and I didn't mind because eye candy . The one I would have most preferred to win was Troyzan but he was out too long ago.

I enjoyed seeing that bitch Alicia break down too. Skank should not be teaching special needs kids.

The next season it should be interesting to see which 3 former members they bring back that had to leave the show

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:39 PM (GULKT)

126 I just saw a new Obama ad that made me gag.

It started out talking about how awful things were in that U.S., before he took office, and then breaks into triumphant music and spoke of how everything has changed....

because he believed in us.

Posted by: Niedermeyer's Dead Horse at May 14, 2012 10:39 PM (piMMO)

127 I hate being away from the little guy

--------

Isn't it amazing how fast you can fall in love with someone you just met? God bless him.

Posted by: mama winger at May 14, 2012 10:39 PM (P6QsQ)

128 "But what about a reverse-commencement, where young folks tell their elders what they should know? "

Yeah, they can tell the adults what's what when they are supporting the adults.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (HJYyV)

129 Thanks, Robert and PGiS!

I know Paranoid has a son; do you to, Robert?

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (ykSKg)

130 NDH, one of the best things (politically) here in OK is that the state is so solid red in presidentials, the Ds don't even bother with ads, for the most part. For that matter, neither do the Rs.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (7yvLv)

131 ?? Isn't that the guy on Criminal Minds?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 14, 2012 10:36 PM (RZ8pf)
Oops, yeah, I mixed up my shows. NCIS, wow, gosh, I have no pick for that, I really like them all.

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (IavxF)

132 Logprof, congratulations on the new addition to the family!

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (xHWBA)

133
118 Ordinary Jeopardy contestants generally keep their game faces no matter where they stand.The thing about Matthews is, he was openly pissed that he was losing. Sweet.
Posted by: Jim Sonweed at May 14, 2012 10:36 PM (qPCyi


Matthews and Wolf Blitzer. Proving that reporters really are fucking stupid. Can't even do well on the dumbed down celebrity Jeopardy.

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (GULKT)

134 Isn't it amazing how fast you can fall in love with someone you just met? God bless him.


Posted by: mama winger at May 14, 2012 10:39 PM (P6QsQ)

--Don't tell my wife, but I think I've already spent more time gazing lovingly at him than any woman.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:42 PM (ykSKg)

135 #134

I'm sure she already knows

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (R5yLq)

136 Anybody got a good recipe for a traditional Persian salad, i.e. the cukes, tomatoes, onions in an olive oil / lemon juice / cracked pepper dressing? I need ratios I can trust, and my local pusher is not sharing the recipe anytime soon. I'm primarily a meatatarian, but I love cucumbers to no end. Thanks, horde.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (fU9eM)

137 The ONT is the scariest part of the job. I'm going to turn myself off now. ...

Posted by: talking survelliance camera at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (ebPtk)

138 And I agree with that Cracked list, though I did like Burton and Depp's version of Sweeney Todd.

Red Hot Chili Peppers? From awesome funky aggro rock to a bunch of navel gazing pussies. Seriously, that's some sopping wet queefing vag rock they put out now.

And Seth McFarlane needs to go on some kind of spiritual journey to Tibet and commune with nature with some Buddhist monks or something. Something that'll teach him to use his talents for good instead of evil. Man, what a friggin' waste. That writer hit the nail on the head. Precancellation Family Guy was the tits. Great stories and characters and laughs out the ass. Postcancellation Family Guy seems to be trying to rape that legacy as much as possible. Awful stuff. Awful.

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (F79HU)

139 Don't tell my wife, but I think I've already spent more time gazing lovingly at him than any woman.


Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:42 PM (ykSKg)

-----
Every kid should have a dad like that in their life. Just awesome.

Posted by: mama winger at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (P6QsQ)

140 ...Anthropologists have studied the weaning customs of hunter gatherer
societies, and found significant variation. The !Kung San of the
Kalahari desert stop breast-feeding at around 4 or 5 years of age. The
Hadza of Tanzania wean about six months earlier than the !Kung. The Acha
people of Paraguay wean earlier still, at around 3 years of age.


Maybe that's why they're still hunter-gatherers?

Anthropologists aren't high on the evolutionary scale, themselves.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 14, 2012 10:44 PM (X3lox)

141 I enjoyed seeing that bitch Alicia break down too. Skank should not be teaching special needs kids.

She was fuckin' nasty. Very disturbing to think of her in the catbird seat with a bunch of special needs children, indeed.

And, as long as we're on the subject, Tarzan, omg, what a freak. A relatively likable freak, but jeez . . . That midget guy seemed to be harboring some grudges, too.

You know who kind of redeemed herself to me, after I couldn't stand her on the show? That goofy blonde chick. I started liking her last night.

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:44 PM (IavxF)

142 I'm primarily a meatatarian, but I love cucumbers to no end.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (fU9eM)

That's what *he* said.

Posted by: Barry O. at May 14, 2012 10:45 PM (ykSKg)

143 140 Maybe that's why they're still hunter-gatherers?

Anthropologists aren't high on the evolutionary scale, themselves.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 14, 2012 10:44 PM (X3lox)
Breast Feeding = Natural Birth Control

Posted by: Grey Fox, returned to his native hearth among the hills at May 14, 2012 10:45 PM (wdlTF)

144 Peaches, I am thinking it will be Ducky because there was that whole thing with him asking Gibbs to be his executor and him deciding who he is leaving his money to.

but maybe it will be Palmer, since the episode is called "til death do us part"

I'm just bummed they are killing the ME on Hawaii 5-0. At least that's what the previews showed, but maybe he only gets shot, and doesn't die.

And I am super bummed that "The Finder" wasn't renewed for a 2nd season. i liked that show, it was quirky.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 14, 2012 10:46 PM (RZ8pf)

145 do you to, Robert?


Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (ykSKg)

Nyet. No chill'uns for me.

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 10:46 PM (F79HU)

146 40 years ago tomorrow George Wallace was shot in a shitty strip mall parking lot in shitty Laurel MD. The neighborhood has only gone downhill since.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 14, 2012 10:46 PM (jucos)

147 Ok, StPat. First you get yourself a Persian. Then it get a little tricky . . . . . . .

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:47 PM (7yvLv)

148 You know who kind of redeemed herself to me, after I couldn't stand her on the show? That goofy blonde chick. I started liking her last night.
Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:44 PM (IavxF)


I liked the southern blonde chick. And ace's favority Christina. For uh very base reasons. You know like the immunity challenge that required them to be in bikini's oiling themselves up.

That goofy blonde chick was sort of likeable, but just way too dumb for me. I thought she was going to freak out when they were talking about having their appendices removed after Colton had to leave.

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:48 PM (GULKT)

149 Thunder up 15 (!) at halftime.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:48 PM (7yvLv)

150 Matthews and Wolf Blitzer. Proving that reporters
really are fucking stupid. Can't even do well on the dumbed down
celebrity Jeopardy.

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:41 PM (GULKT)

Note that Matthews was set against Gibbs and a CNN reporter. I suppose Jeopardy was trying to spare anyone of noble journalistic and political ilk the humiliation of losing badly against, say, a late-night talk show second banana like Blitzer did.

Posted by: sistrum at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (AyryN)

151 Ezra Klein's tweets show up on National Review's Tweet Tracker, and trust me, that's not the dumbest thing he's ever said on Twitter. I can't believe he gets paid.

Posted by: Moonbeam at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (1k4dd)

152 Seriously, that's some sopping wet queefing vag rock they put out now

Why don't ya tell how you really feel about that music, my son???



Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (SGRH9)

153 I'm just bummed they are killing the ME on Hawaii 5-0.

As far as I'm concerned (and I tried to watch it once, but only once, and not successfully), they could do a jihad on Hawaii 5-0. I thought it sucked.

The show I am most bummed about being canceled is Harry's Law, I'll miss that one a lot.

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (IavxF)

154 146
40 years ago tomorrow George Wallace was shot in a shitty strip mall
parking lot in shitty Laurel MD. The neighborhood has only gone
downhill since.

Posted by: Truck Monkey at May 14, 2012 10:46 PM (jucos)

--What's funny is that I think I'd visited there a couple times when I was 17 (I worked with my dad that summer in Beltsville) and had no idea at the time.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (ykSKg)

155 Posted by: Grey Fox, returned to his native hearth among the hills at May 14, 2012 10:45 PM (wdlTF)


Not the breast feeding, which is very healthy, but doing it long into toddlerhood.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (X3lox)

156 Hello there, Ms al-Thor. How ya been?

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:50 PM (7yvLv)

157 Romney is just like George Wallace.

So....He's a Democrat?

Posted by: Ktgreat at May 14, 2012 10:50 PM (8FXqC)

158 You may now opt out of all BHO behaviorally Implemented programs...



Posted by: Clemenza at May 14, 2012 10:50 PM (YlSwz)

159 Good evening, amigos!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 14, 2012 10:50 PM (1X/a4)

160 Hey, L Rob! Doing great, all in all. Loving the country life, but missing my man.

How 'bout you?

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (SGRH9)

161
Good evening, good people. Today marked 44 years with the same sweet lady. A nice quiet dinner and a walk around the neighborhood to celebrate.

Either a testimony to true love or an example of endurance.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (SAMxH)

162
Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (SGRH9)

MA!
Where ya been?!?

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (F79HU)

163 Ya know what else makes me happy tonight, besides the delicious news of Tingly's massive fail on Jeopardy? The polls I'm reading about where something like 67% of those questioned see that SCoaMFs endorsement of SSM, such as it was, was politically motivated. **giggle**

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (xHWBA)

164 Isn't this Johnny Depp thing, you know the strange make up and screwy behavior, easy acting?
My sister wants to go see a new Pirates of the Caribbean movie if they do one. I told her no. The first gay pirate was funny, but doing the exact same schtick over and over stops being funny, and is just annoying.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (HJYyV)

165 Peaches, I watch it for the eye candy (Hawaii 5-0) and it got better, I despaired until about halfway through the first season.

Alcatraz also wasn't renewed but that new Keifer Sutherland, Touch? was. I refuse to watch that show, I am tired of having my heartstrings tugged. I spend too much time in real life sad these days, television is my escape.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (RZ8pf)

166 True that, about Laurel, Maryland. I stay on my side of the river.

Posted by: Jinxthecat at May 14, 2012 10:52 PM (l3vZN)

167 Good evening!

Nothing seems to require comment, and I haven't read the thread. I hope everyone's doing well.

Posted by: Dianna at May 14, 2012 10:52 PM (mKMj1)

168 Good evening, good people. Today marked 44 years
with the same sweet lady. A nice quiet dinner and a walk around the
neighborhood to celebrate.

Either a testimony to true love or an example of endurance.


Posted by: irongrampa at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (SAMxH)

--Congratulations!

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:52 PM (ykSKg)

169 Congratulations, irongrampa. That is pure-D AWESOME!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:52 PM (SGRH9)

170 Just work, work, work, Tammy. Gotta support Mrs L Rob in the manner to which she has become accustomed. Heh.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:52 PM (7yvLv)

171 Tammy! Glad to see ya!

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 10:53 PM (xHWBA)

172 164
Isn't this Johnny Depp thing, you know the strange make up and screwy behavior, easy acting?

My sister wants to go see a new Pirates of the Caribbean movie if
they do one. I told her no. The first gay pirate was funny, but doing
the exact same schtick over and over stops being funny, and is just
annoying.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (HJYyV)

--I want to see the clay animation pirate movie by Aardman. (Can't get the title right; it's different ones for USA and UK).

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:53 PM (ykSKg)

173 Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:49 PM (SGRH9)

Girl, you're back!!!! I've been wondering about you for days, worried you'd gone to a place without the interwebs. Missed you. waves wildly!!!!

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:53 PM (IavxF)

174 Congratulations to irongrandpa on 44 years!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at May 14, 2012 10:53 PM (RZ8pf)

175
Posted by: irongrampa at May 14, 2012 10:51 PM (SAMxH)

Congratulations!

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 10:53 PM (F79HU)

176 Robert, I'm in Arkansas now, doing country-ish things that require early rising and early-to-bedding.

We have a brand new calf, and I am learning to cut hay in the tractor.


I have missed y'all! I won't be on long tonight, so please pass along my best to Graveyard!


logprof, CONGRATS!!!!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:54 PM (SGRH9)

177 Mucho congrats to both you and the missus, irongrampa! It's not easy. Hope you have many more.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:54 PM (7yvLv)

178 Send Tim Burton on a long vacation and bring back Richard Burton. Oh my lord, that man was hot. Even when he was old and pickled.


Posted by: Margarita DeVille at May 14, 2012 10:54 PM (C8mVl)

179
Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:53 PM (ykSKg)

It's called The Pirates.

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 10:54 PM (F79HU)

180 Irongrampa, happy anniversary! And many happy more years together.

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 10:54 PM (xHWBA)

181 #136

I asked Stuck, he says their are a lot of different versions of Persian Salad. The one he usually fixes uses 2 cucumbers, 2 tomatoes, 1 onion, 1 tsp of chopped parsley, 1 tsp of chopped dill, a couple of pinches of sea salt, 2 tablespoons of Olive Oil and 4 or 5 tablespoons of lemon juice. Chop up all your veggies, put them in a boil, mix in your oil and lemon juice and toss well. Put it in the fridge for 2 hours before serving.


Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 10:55 PM (R5yLq)

182 Wow Irongrampa! That is quite the achievement. Congrats!

Posted by: Tami at May 14, 2012 10:55 PM (X6akg)

183 Peaches, Theresa, hello, hello! Big smoochy kisses!!!


L Rob, you are to be commended. A happy wife means a happy husband!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:55 PM (SGRH9)

184 Irongrampa, congratulations! And, is it possible I am the first to say, she's a very lucky woman?

Posted by: Peaches at May 14, 2012 10:56 PM (IavxF)

185


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:54 PM (SGRH9)

Cuttin' grass and raising a steak. Sounds cool!
So are ya walkin' fine again?

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 10:56 PM (F79HU)

186 Paranoid Girl:

I can't believe they cancelled Alcatraz. Why do they bother?

Good for you, Iron Grampa!!!!

Posted by: Ktgreat at May 14, 2012 10:56 PM (8FXqC)

187 but doing the exact same schtick over and over stops being funny, and is just annoying.

Well, fuck you too!

Posted by: Lorne Michaels at May 14, 2012 10:56 PM (Br0dO)

188 You got that right, Tammy. If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy!

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 10:56 PM (7yvLv)

189 I want to see the clay animation pirate movie by Aardman. (Can't get the title right; it's different ones for USA and UK).
Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:53 PM (ykSKg)

Pirates Band of Misfits? Yeah, not great. Nothing offensive but even the small easy-to-amuse people who live in my house thought it was kind of dumb. It'd be perfect for a $1.30 Redbox night, but totally not worth seeing in the theater.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 14, 2012 10:57 PM (snRY5)

190 Wow, i didn't know that Taxi Driver was based on the guy who shot Wallace and that he's currently out of prison.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 10:57 PM (HI6wa)

191 Short answer: as long as you need to, and your Mom lets you. There's a trade-off, of course. Sadly, these elementary endocrinological facts may be Mayan to sum o' yo bitches (look around you!) birth and weaning are hormonal events. If you're an abject Darwinist (and I have a stimulus bill you can vote for which will provide my heirs with an unimaginable wealth until the trackers track it down and snuff your posterity, utterly blot out the memory of Amalek from the earth), you'll breast-feed as long as the child "requires".If not, you'll understand what "sibling" means. The rest of you, I cordially invite you to use your I-phone while entering a freeway undergoing a "stimulus" project "upgrade". Watching reruns on 4G? Figures.

Posted by: Thorvald at May 14, 2012 10:57 PM (OhenJ)

192 Robert, yes! I am walking and driving and an all 'round terror to snakes, as they say! The tractor sort of kicks it in again, but it doesn't last.

I am so grateful!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:59 PM (SGRH9)

193 Pirates Band of Misfits? Yeah, not great. Nothing
offensive but even the small easy-to-amuse people who live in my house
thought it was kind of dumb. It'd be perfect for a $1.30 Redbox night,
but totally not worth seeing in the theater.

Posted by: jenny tries too hard at May 14, 2012 10:57 PM (snRY5)
--Really? Damn. I'm a huge Shaun the Sheep and Wallace and Gromit fan, too.

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 10:59 PM (ykSKg)

194 And, logprof, sorry for the hassle but just nibble the baby's toes for a minute and it will all fade away. Baby-toes are great for nibbling, if you haven't yet gone there. Or, just smell his head, that's ambrosia right there. What is it makes their little heads smell so awesome? I had to give up the toe nibbling crap after I caught hand, foot and mouth disease also called Coxsackie virus. I am one of the few 60 year olds that caught it.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 14, 2012 10:59 PM (JKNDp)

195
186 Paranoid Girl: I can't believe they cancelled Alcatraz. Why do they bother? Good for you, Iron Grampa!!!!
Posted by: Ktgreat at May 14, 2012 10:56 PM (8FXqC)


But think of the positivie aspect of this. J. J. Abrams will not be able to turn Alcatraz into a muddle confusing unwatchable mess where nothing ever happens like he did with Lost.

Posted by: buzzion at May 14, 2012 10:59 PM (GULKT)

196 Congratulations, Irongrampa, and many happy returns of the day!

Posted by: Dianna at May 14, 2012 11:00 PM (mKMj1)

197 I am so grateful!


Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 10:59 PM (SGRH9)

That is awesome. Very happy for you, Tammy.

But be kinder to snakes!

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 11:00 PM (F79HU)

198 in re: "Persian Salad"

the secret is a spice called sumac

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 14, 2012 11:00 PM (JMmQ9)

199 But think of the positivie aspect of this. J. J.
Abrams will not be able to turn Alcatraz into a muddle confusing
unwatchable mess where nothing ever happens like he did with Lost.

Posted by: buzzion

Not that you do not have a point, but I really wanted to know what was going on.

Posted by: Dianna at May 14, 2012 11:01 PM (mKMj1)

200 Getting late. Think I'll watch the rest of the Thunder-L____s game as a sole source of entertainment. Good night, morons everywhere. Keep yer powder dry.

Posted by: L Rob in OK at May 14, 2012 11:01 PM (7yvLv)

201 >>>But be kinder to snakes!

The World would be better off without Snakes.

Posted by: Big Boss at May 14, 2012 11:02 PM (RvlzX)

202 Congratulations Iron Grampa!

Posted by: Hummingbird at May 14, 2012 11:02 PM (R5yLq)

203
B Boy Bouillabaisse
http://tinyurl.com/6v6ord5

Posted by: Beastie Boys at May 14, 2012 11:02 PM (Br0dO)

204

The most interesting fact about Matthews and Blitzer is they both believed with their wide range of knowledge, they would slay the dragon on Jeopardy. Liberals never grasp their limitations or inability to perform, but accept the accolades from peers extolling their brilliance. Today, the dragon proved Matthews a complete nincompoop and pretentious asshole.

Posted by: Doctor Fish ( Posting from Mom's Computer in Texas) at May 14, 2012 11:02 PM (ndqJC)

205
Marinated Persian in olive oil and spices. Nom, Nom!

http://tinyurl.com/2eowbhm

Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 14, 2012 11:02 PM (NAyRn)

206 >>>Anybody got a good recipe for a traditional Persian salad, i.e. the
cukes, tomatoes, onions in an olive oil / lemon juice / cracked pepper
dressing? I need ratios I can trust, and my local pusher is not sharing
the recipe anytime soon. I'm primarily a meatatarian, but I love
cucumbers to no end. Thanks, horde.

Persian salad? Nah, not a big cat fan. Pomeranian salad is really incredible though.

And cucumbers... faaaaabuuuuulousssssss!

Posted by: Barky Obama at May 14, 2012 11:02 PM (RzNJH)

207 >>>But be kinder to snakes!

Is it Whacking Day again?

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 11:03 PM (Br0dO)

208 Tammy!

Happy Monday ...

Don't Shake the Sheep.

Posted by: Adriane at May 14, 2012 11:03 PM (uqZVH)

209 Is it Whacking Day again?

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 11:03 PM (Br0dO)

Every day is whacking day for me.
I look forward to Pinching and Spanking Day.
Slapping and Choking Day...I pass on that one.

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 11:05 PM (F79HU)

210 Haven't read all the comments. Has anyone mentioned yet that Matthews wouldn't shut up on the interview part of Jeopardy? After that display of ego, I was rooting for him to lose.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 14, 2012 11:05 PM (HJYyV)

211 But think of the positivie aspect of this. J. J.

Abrams will not be able to turn Alcatraz into a muddle confusing

unwatchable mess where nothing ever happens like he did with Lost.



Posted by: buzzion


I don't know did you see the trailer for his new show on NBC "revolution" looks pretty muddled to me.

Posted by: Adam Smith's Invisible Pimp Hand at May 14, 2012 11:06 PM (tKFT6)

212 Irongrampa -

Open the windows,
Shut the front door,
Best wishes and every happiness,
in Year of Marriage - 44 ...

Posted by: Adriane at May 14, 2012 11:07 PM (uqZVH)

213
2 tablespoons
lemon juice, fresh
1 clove garlic, minced
1/4 teaspoon
salt
1/4 teaspoon
black pepper, freshly ground
1 teaspoon
(to 2 teaspoons) oregano leaves, fresh, minced
1/3 cup extra virgin olive oil Do NOT use bottled lemon juice. Dry oregano is fine in this.

Posted by: Cicero Kid at May 14, 2012 11:08 PM (NAyRn)

214 And now ... yet another trip to Home Depot!

Posted by: Adriane at May 14, 2012 11:08 PM (uqZVH)

215 Congrats to you, IG44!!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 14, 2012 11:08 PM (1X/a4)

216 OK, 460 Rowland.

Posted by: Thorvald at May 14, 2012 11:09 PM (OhenJ)

217 And now ... yet another trip to Home Depot!


Posted by: Adriane at May 14, 2012 11:08 PM (uqZVH)

Have fun and try not to get locked in again. Take an employee hostage if you have to in case they try to.

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 11:09 PM (F79HU)

218 I see that James Clyburn, black Dem rep from SC, will try to bring a bill to the House floor making gay marriage a federal right or something.

Rich, isn't it? We hear how by maybe 8 or 9 to 1, blacks oppose this. But we now have one of the most prominent members of the CBC putting up this POS for all to see.

It's so in our face this way, right? The CBC could have had Charlie Rangel or Maxine Waters do this, but must have figured that with Clyburn, coming from deeply-religious SC, it would have maximum effect.

How bout some PAC or another prints up a couple hundred thousand of the Time mag covers, does em up like Burma Shave signs, America's. First. Gay. President. No-bama.
2012.

Finds lots of SC farmers whose fields line the roads approaching all those black churches that are all over the state, put up those Gay Burma Shave sign sets?

Posted by: The littl shyning man at May 14, 2012 11:10 PM (Afn7T)

219 has anyone seen clips from the VA GOP Senate debate last night?

Jamie Radtke takes George Allen to the wood shed

http://youtu.be/t1RE6IYnZlk

Posted by: Jose at May 14, 2012 11:10 PM (srIqv)

220 All right, time for my tired fatherly ass to turn in for the evening.

Good night, y'all!

Posted by: logprof at May 14, 2012 11:11 PM (ykSKg)

221 Adriane!


Yes, yes, must have the sumac in the salad. Also, add some lavash and call it fattoush.



I am really very nice to snakes. My husband and uncle kill them on sight, but I just let them pass. I am very mucha live and let live sort of person.


And I will bid y'all a very good night....hope to get on later this week for longer, but that hay won't cut itself, ya know!

Sleep well!

Posted by: Tammy al-Thor at May 14, 2012 11:12 PM (SGRH9)

222 Night, everyone.

Posted by: Dianna at May 14, 2012 11:14 PM (mKMj1)

223 Good night, Miss Tammy!

Good night, Logpapa!

God night, Dianna!

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 11:14 PM (F79HU)

224 My husband refuses to see anything by Burton or with Johnny Depp after "Sweeney Todd." He's a huge musical freak, and Sweeney Todd was always a favorite. He'd been so looking forward to it finally being made a film, that the only grouse he had about being locked away in a hospital for two months for a bone marrow transplant was that he'd miss seeing it in the theaters. When he finally saw it he was LIVID. This was a guy who'd seen the original Broadway production, how could wishy-washy-voiced Depp and Bonham Carter possibly compare? He will never, never, never forgive them all for being so pleased with themselves that every property must subsume themselves to their abilities, however ill apt for the task they might be.

Posted by: sistrum at May 14, 2012 11:15 PM (AyryN)

225 "35 I thought the first juicebox quote was hilarious. Then, I saw who wrote it and realized he was serious.
Posted by: no good deed"

That's how I responded to the Gay President Newsweek cover. I thought it was some photoshopped joke.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 14, 2012 11:15 PM (HJYyV)

226 And I need to start getting ready for woik.

Be back later.

I expect 300 more comments and some serious talk about fine wiminz.

Posted by: Robert at May 14, 2012 11:16 PM (F79HU)

227
Is marriage a right? Or is it like health care--a privilege freely accorded by society to it's individuals?

That doesn't come from me, it was brought up by a family member a while back. Haven't given it any thought, so no opinion from this corner.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 14, 2012 11:16 PM (SAMxH)

228 BTW, savor these beautiful boo-hooing words from Pastor McKissick about his "beloved" SCOAMF (h/t Robert Stacey McCain):
---------
PASTOR MCKISSIC’S RESPONSE TO PRESIDENT OBAMA’S DECISION TO ENDORSE SAME-SEX MARRIAGES

By Wm. Dwight McKissic, Sr.

May 9, 2012

President Obama has betrayed the Bible and the Black Church with his endorsement of same-sex marriage. The Bible is crystal clear on this subject, and the Black Church strongly opposes same-sex marriage. His endorsement is an inadvertent attack on the Christian Faith. America is now a candidate for the same judgment received by Sodom and Gomorrah. This was a sad, sad day and a very bad decision, by our beloved President. The moral impact of this day and decision is equal to the military impact of AL-Queda when they attacked the Twin Towers on 911. Today’s announcement is a moral earthquake equivalent to a tsunami or hurricane that will have far more devastating results than Katrina.

This means that parents are now going to have an extremely difficult time teaching their children that marriage biblically and traditionally is between a man and a woman, when the President that many love and admire is now on record endorsing sodomy. This is painful and shameful. The Black Church should galvanize, mobilize and address this matter with the same (if not greater) intensity, velocity and resolve as we did the Civil Rights Movement. If we don’t, our children and grandchildren will pay a far greater price in suffering from a governmental sanction of same-sex marriage than we would have under segregation.

I will not be addressing this matter this coming Sunday—Mother’s Day; my wife will be preaching. But I will develop a sermon on this subject for the following Sunday entitled: “A Kingdom/Biblical View of Marriage” based on Matthew 19:4-6. I will be submitting a Resolution to the Southern Baptist Convention at the June Meeting in New Orleans to go on record disavowing and repudiating the position of our beloved President Barack Obama as it relates to his position on affirming same-sex marriages.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 14, 2012 11:19 PM (1X/a4)

229 Finally went a full 24 hours without a cigarette and nobody got killed. However, I'm sure the nicotene patches had something to do with it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:20 PM (+ZI77)

230 Amazing that know-it-all Carter years "Washington "insider" Chris Matthews did not know that JFK was the only president to be awarded the Purple Heart.

You know, as in PT109, bad back, and all that.

What a dumbass. I bet he is crying angry tears into his feculent pillow even as I write.

I certainly hope so.


Posted by: Jim Sonweed at May 14, 2012 11:21 PM (qPCyi)

231 Evening all, in a better mood. Eating hot tamales with my coors light. Interesting combo.

And the lakers getting their asses kicked, yay

Posted by: lous a girl at May 14, 2012 11:21 PM (fHyXI)

232 @228: Holy shit, those are strong words.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:22 PM (+ZI77)

233 What a dumbass. I bet he is crying angry tears into his feculent pillow even as I write.

Hasn't he written abook about Kennedy?

Posted by: garrett at May 14, 2012 11:23 PM (Br0dO)

234 227
Is marriage a right? Or is it like health care--a privilege freely accorded by society to it's individuals?

That doesn't come from me, it was brought up by a family member a while back. Haven't given it any thought, so no opinion from this corner.

Posted by: irongrampa at May 14, 2012 11:16 PM (SAMxH)


I liked the guy who filled in for Rush today.
Marriage is a right.
It may not carry the civil legal privileges, depending on the society defining marriage.
Any couple can declare themselves married. That doesn't mean the community/state/etc. recognizes it. It's a personal thing, but it's their right to think they're married.

Having said that, I support Civil Unions. I don't think that's marriage.
I'm straight, and over half the "gay community" agrees with me.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 14, 2012 11:24 PM (Qxe/p)

235 > I will be submitting a Resolution to the Southern Baptist Convention at
the June Meeting in New Orleans to go on record disavowing and
repudiating the position of our beloved President Barack Obama


yeah they'll still vote for the prick

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 14, 2012 11:25 PM (8sCoq)

236 BE NICER TO SNAKES--I second that emotion! :- )

(I have 10 here as pets)

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 14, 2012 11:26 PM (1X/a4)

237 Tammy!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 14, 2012 11:28 PM (kaalw)

238 Remember the days when the "progressives" would say "Marriage is just a
piece of paper! We're too liberated to be fooled into such an outdated
social convention"?



Now it's the most important civil rights hill to fight and die on.

Gotta hand it to them, they're consistent about their inconsistency.



Posted by: sistrum at May 14, 2012 11:28 PM (AyryN)

239 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. In case anyone forgot.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at May 14, 2012 11:28 PM (eQnzo)

240 232--You noticed that too, Joffen!! How the f@ck can this man of Gaawwwd go out this Nov. and admit he voted for Obama?!

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 14, 2012 11:29 PM (1X/a4)

241 Hi, Lou! Glad you're having a good night.

Miller Lite and chips and salsa for me tonight! Are you talking about the hot tamales candies?


Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 11:29 PM (xHWBA)

242 @ Pastor McKissic



So... I can coun't on your vote?

**crickets**

**muffled cough**

** tumbleweed goes rolling by**

Posted by: Mitt Romney at May 14, 2012 11:30 PM (RzNJH)

243 Is marriage a right? Or is it like health care--a privilege freely accorded by society to it's individuals?Posted by: irongrampa

The problem as i see it is that marriage is older than our concepts of government and Christianity.

It predates the institutions that formed into our heritage of Western civ. but we seem to have reached a point where older institutions have been shrunk, ie Christianity, divine right of kings, culture, etc, to the point of being only background music.

What to do when some people want to have marriage only be like a contract between two consenting adults? Hard to say that our culture and heritage should be remapped overnight to satisfy modern viewpoints, but then again, our country was founded on breaking some, some not all, some of those institutions.

Posted by: talking survelliance camera at May 14, 2012 11:31 PM (ebPtk)

244 @228... strong words but they will sell out and vote for SCOAMF in Nov.
Being black trumps everything.


Evening all... just stopping by to say Hi.. I am off to bed.

Posted by: Jumbo Shrimp at May 14, 2012 11:31 PM (DGIjM)

245 @227: No, marriage is not a right. It is a privilege granted by society. It comes with benefits because for thousands of years society has (correctly) determined that marriage is the best way for a couple to produce offspring. That isnt to say that married couples must produce offspring, but when they do, a child born to a married couple has the best chance to grow up as a happy, healthy individual. This benefits society a great deal. If we award same-sex couples the same benefits we afford married couples, we are essentially giving benefits to people for no reason.
On a personal level, it pains me to know that my daughter will be a little less better off as a child of divorce, but there's nothing I can do about that.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:32 PM (+ZI77)

246 229
Finally went a full 24 hours without a cigarette and nobody got killed.


If you can get through the first 3-4 days you'll be amazed at how much the cravings drop off, after that it's more a routine thing than a physical thing, you just have to get used to not smoking at the times you used to.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 11:32 PM (HI6wa)

247 #228 Yeah, they say they're against Gay marriage, but when it comes down to it - they'll most likely vote for Barky. Some may stay at home, but I doubt it'll be a lot. It's beyond me how one can say they're a Christian and be pro-infanticide (like Barky) and that didn't keep them from voting for the JEF last time. I can't believe disagreement on Gay Marriage will keep them away this time either. (I'd like to, but I can't)

Posted by: someone at May 14, 2012 11:32 PM (bqjJT)

248 239
Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure. In case anyone forgot.


Don't worry, Obama won't let us forget. Giving further examples of scoamfitude and campaigning are the only activities he's doing lately.



Posted by: sistrum at May 14, 2012 11:33 PM (AyryN)

249 And I have no idea how an apostrophe got into "coun't".

I need a drink.

Posted by: Mitt Romney at May 14, 2012 11:33 PM (RzNJH)

250 241 Hi, Lou! Glad you're having a good night.Miller Lite and chips and salsa for me tonight! Are you talking about the hot tamales candies?
Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 11:29 PM (xHWBA)

Yep, the candy. Chips and salsa sounds good. I made homemade lasagna for dinner and it was one of the best I ever had, patting myself on shoulder.Hubby agreed

Posted by: lous a girl at May 14, 2012 11:33 PM (fHyXI)

251 This is one of the most crack-tastic (not to mention the most anti-Semitic garbage) things I've seen recently.

h/t: The Jawa Report - Daily Beast Cartoonist Depicts Israeli PM Eating Obama's Limbs...and
Raping Him?

http://tinyurl.com/7joqysd

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 14, 2012 11:35 PM (RvlzX)

252 @247: I hope enough will stay home to affect the outcome. I think even a drop of 1 or 2 percentage points will make a huge difference.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:36 PM (+ZI77)

253 The problem is government engaging in social engineering, which is a polite way of saying government is treating you like lab rats to get you to live the way they want, and giving benefits for being married, remove those benefits and remove the problem.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 11:36 PM (HI6wa)

254 Maahhhh friends, Pastor McKissick's vote isn't that big a deal, anyway...but his words will liberate huge #s of muddle-headed honkies who will now see that their queasiness with the SCOAMF is not a racist gene, but a survival-of-their-kids gene, and so come out in gigantic #s to either switch their vote from the SCOAMF, or vote for a GOP Pres against their instincts.

When the GOP peels off a few prominent minorities, it has a galvanizing effect on the normal patriotic majority, thus leading to "surprise" GOP landslides.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 14, 2012 11:36 PM (1X/a4)

255 And another thing: goodnight.

Posted by: Trimegistus at May 14, 2012 11:36 PM (Qd7eZ)

256 that drones over America thread is fucking hilarious, it's like I'm back trolling InfoWars

Posted by: The Dude at May 14, 2012 11:37 PM (tw6Ar)

257 If you can get through the first 3-4 days you'll be amazed at how much the cravings drop off, after that it's more a routine thing than a physical thing, you just have to get used to not smoking at the times you used to.

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 11:32 PM (HI6wa)


I had my femoral artery bypassed, and the surgeon kept me in the hospital for an extra day.
He asked me if I still smoked for the next few visits (a couple of years total), and I said "no".
I told him the nicotine urge was gone, and I'd managed to alter my habits, which was really the hard part.
He was a bit surprised. He had about 60% success with that technique, and made notes on the mental part.

Posted by: jwb7605 at May 14, 2012 11:37 PM (Qxe/p)

258 237
Tammy!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 14, 2012 11:28 PM (kaalw)

.....and a miss.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 14, 2012 11:38 PM (kaalw)

259 hi all

23

Joke of the year. More for guys than gals.
Magic Apples
http://tinyurl.com/6rygh5e


Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 14, 2012 09:57 PM (JKNDp)


LOL that is awesome

Posted by: chemjeff at May 14, 2012 11:38 PM (7FadD)

260 51

Obama walks into a bar and there's a monkey at the end of the bar.

The
bartender says "watch this", whips out his dick and goes over and hits
the monkey on the head with a pipe, and the monkey starts sucking the
bartenders dick furiously.

Obama sees all this and asks the bartender: "hey can I try that?".

The bartender says, "Sure, no problem."

Obama says "Just one thing - please don't hit me on the head with the pipe"



Posted by: Purple Avenger at May 14, 2012 10:05 PM (Lo/y1)

**************
Made it a little more topical...

Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at May 14, 2012 11:39 PM (eQnzo)

261 Man, everyone is quitting smoking. I just dont want to, I think I will be the last smoker left, tee hee. Or i will die from it, but i will die regardless.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 14, 2012 11:40 PM (fHyXI)

262 ^what booger said at 246, but the 3-4 day clock doesn't start til you're off the patches also. Good Luck, it is worth the effort.

Posted by: DaveA at May 14, 2012 11:40 PM (ZYrSB)

263 @254: Good point.

I look at it this way: grantings homosexuals the benefits of marriage is akin to welfare. It's giving them free shit with no responsibility.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:40 PM (+ZI77)

264
Hi morons. What's up?
Eating a pretzel here.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 14, 2012 11:41 PM (lkdo/)

265
"I look at it this way: grantings homosexuals the benefits of marriage is akin to welfare. It's giving them free shit with no responsibility."
Illegals immigrants are getting tax refunds (without paying in), medical care, free tuition, free cell phones, free heating/energy assistance, etc. Welcome to modern 2012 USA

Posted by: Lampshade at May 14, 2012 11:43 PM (lkdo/)

266
Posted by: lous a girl at May 14, 2012 11:40 PM (fHyXI)

still need my pack of menthols (prefer Newports but I'm not picky) a day

Posted by: The Dude at May 14, 2012 11:43 PM (tw6Ar)

267 @262: Yeah, youre right. Getting off the patches is gonna suck. I hope once I start excercising on a regular basis it will make it easier.

God damn it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:44 PM (+ZI77)

268
I heard that an illegal just got his unemployment insurance federally extended? Could this be true?
Also, heard of illegals on SSDI without paying anything in? WTF?

Posted by: Lampshade at May 14, 2012 11:44 PM (lkdo/)

269 "It's beyond me how one can say they're a Christian and be pro-infanticide (like Barky) and that didn't keep them from voting for the JEF last time. "

Exactly how I feel as a Catholic. Catholics like Pelosi infuriate me. I got a big kick out of it when she visited the Vatican and Pope Benedict dissed her by not having a picture taken with her.
It would have been even better if he had put an interdict on her district. But you can't get everything.

And I know a LOT of Catholic women who have no problem with pro abortion candidates.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 14, 2012 11:45 PM (HJYyV)

270 @264: It makes me wonder why there isn't a religious backlash against food stamps and other stuff like that.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:45 PM (+ZI77)

271 SFGATE has an article with a list of local bars that are putting in
facial recognition software analyzing cameras. They will log you in as
"checked in" when you enter.

Patrons waiting outside the bar to
get in can get a phone app that tells them who is inside, what is the
mix of males to females, what age group, etc.

This is a good list to have as places to avoid...

Posted by: navybrat at May 14, 2012 11:46 PM (vtXM/)

272 OK, I'm out

tomorrow night, mi amigos

Posted by: AltonJackson at May 14, 2012 11:46 PM (JMmQ9)

273 didn't know The Deer Tracks released a new album last year
http://tinyurl.com/5ue6r6s

Posted by: The Dude at May 14, 2012 11:48 PM (tw6Ar)

274 266 Posted by: lous a girl at May 14, 2012 11:40 PM (fHyXI) still need my pack of menthols (prefer Newports but I'm not picky) a day
Posted by: The Dude at May 14, 2012 11:43 PM (tw6Ar)

Oh, so youre the other one.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 14, 2012 11:48 PM (fHyXI)

275 "It's beyond me how one can say they're a Christian and be
pro-infanticide (like Barky) and that didn't keep them from voting for
the JEF last time. "
-----------------

People are tribalists. They abuse religion to clique together and feel superior to others. The morality and doctrine are decorations.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 14, 2012 11:48 PM (oS2lG)

276 Since some of you have wanted costume period outfit pics, here are some ones from the April Gaskells ball. I'm wearing the outfit that would be considered "incroyable" (that's a French term).
danceslut.net/cgi-bin/album.cgi?gac2

Posted by: SFGoth at May 14, 2012 11:49 PM (eL1cu)

277 Yep, smoker here, too. I know I should quit, but I'm just not ready yet. I have cut down, tho, 2 packs last me about 4 days, depending on my anxiety level

Posted by: Theresa at May 14, 2012 11:49 PM (xHWBA)

278 Marriage is a successful familial arrangement marked by a religious sacrament that predates Western Government. Various legal embellishments were established under English law and, especially in the 20th century, it has become thoroughly embedded in the ever-growing over-legalizing of everything.

Now, because it is so thoroughly entrenched in legalisms, gays want to hijack the word in the name of "fairness", regardless of whether this will overturn family arrangements and religion.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 14, 2012 11:50 PM (kaalw)

279 JO you have been paying serious attention to your blog lately. Good man. I finally managed to post a comment using the annonomous option. I suspect if you can come up with an easier system you would have more commentary. Either that or I am an exceptionally technically incapable idiot.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 14, 2012 11:50 PM (JKNDp)

280 Unfortunately, while Gaskells is generally Victorian, there was a modern theme in "honor" of Titanic.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 14, 2012 11:50 PM (eL1cu)

281
Posted by: lous a girl at May 14, 2012 11:48 PM (fHyXI)

I've tried gum, patches and e-cigs and they don't work so I said fuck it. And for all the shit I've done in my life, tobacco isn't shit

Posted by: The Dude at May 14, 2012 11:50 PM (tw6Ar)

282 I look at it this way: grantings homosexuals the
benefits of marriage is akin to welfare. It's giving them free shit with
no responsibility.


Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot
--------------------

What responsibility do they escape?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 14, 2012 11:51 PM (oS2lG)

283
Smoking is bad

Posted by: Lampshade at May 14, 2012 11:52 PM (lkdo/)

284 I keep having the same troubling thought re: Obama and this election. It pains me to put this into words but this election seems too normal, considering the fact that we have an honest-to-goodness Socialist in the White House. Will this election hinge on the economy and social issues like all the past elections seemed to? I mean, considering who this guy is and what he's done to this country, considering how badly he has trampled the Constitution, shouldn't this be one of the most important elections in America's history? It sure doesn't feel like it.

It sure doesn't feel like it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 14, 2012 11:52 PM (+ZI77)

285 234: I used to support civil unions, but lately have been musing that taking away another work opportunity for idle lawyers is not a good thing to do.

It may soon be time to get government out of marriage entirely. (read this idea on FB) "Why should the social contract between a husband and wife really be a 3-way contract with the government's sticky fingers all over it?" Makes a lot of sense. Get government out of marriage entirely and make all couples write up a marriage contract that works for them and then churches can bless and recognize the unions they wish to.

Posted by: PaleRider didn't read comments at May 14, 2012 11:52 PM (dkExz)

286 I smoke like a fucking chimney. I quit during bootcamp but the first thing I asked for when I got out was a goddman smoke.

Got Diablo 3 downloading Dude?

Posted by: Zakn at May 14, 2012 11:52 PM (2TqDD)

287
"I've tried gum, patches and e-cigs and they don't work so I said fuck it. And for all the shit I've done in my life, tobacco isn't shit"
What did you do dude?

Posted by: Lampshade at May 14, 2012 11:53 PM (lkdo/)

288 Okay, so I've read so far that:

Peaches had a crappy day

logprof is a daddy :/

Tammy is back

anything else?

Posted by: chemjeff at May 14, 2012 11:53 PM (7FadD)

289 277
Yep, smoker here, too. I know I should quit, but I'm just not ready yet.
I have cut down, tho, 2 packs last me about 4 days, depending on my
anxiety level


Posted by: Theresa

Please do your best. A few months ago, I lost a very close friend, age 47. He was overweight, out of shape, and had financial trouble, but he smoked like a chimney and I'm convinced that did it. He had begun to eat right (had lost 30#) and exercise, but that the Devil's weed is just rotten. No good comes of it, period.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 14, 2012 11:54 PM (eL1cu)

290 oh, and that irongrampa has been married for eons - congratulations

Posted by: chemjeff at May 14, 2012 11:54 PM (7FadD)

291 Got Diablo 3 downloading Dude?

Posted by: Zakn at May 14, 2012 11:52 PM (2TqDD)

buying it during lunch tomorrow, I don't feel like hitting up Best Buy at midnight

Posted by: The Dude at May 14, 2012 11:54 PM (tw6Ar)

292 Off old sock. Actually I did read comments, forgot to refresh and catch up before responding to almost last comment read though. Oops, must mean its past time to say goodnight so I'm out.

Posted by: PaleRider at May 14, 2012 11:54 PM (dkExz)

293 276
Since some of you have wanted costume period outfit pics, here are some
ones from the April Gaskells ball. I'm wearing the outfit that would be
considered "incroyable" (that's a French term).
danceslut.net/cgi-bin/album.cgi?gac2


Posted by: SFGoth at May 14, 2012 11:49 PM (eL1cu)


For those of us unfamiliar with sartorial fashion during the Directory period, would that be "Sam"?

Posted by: cthulhu at May 14, 2012 11:55 PM (kaalw)

294 And I know a LOT of Catholic women who have no problem with pro abortion candidates.

Posted by: nerdygirl at May 14, 2012 11:45 PM (HJYyV)
People are tribalists. They abuse religion to clique
together and feel superior to others. The morality and doctrine are
decorations.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 14, 2012 11:48 PM (oS2lG)

Organized religion certainly sets itself up to be called hypocritical because of that whole only following the beliefs when it's convenient thing.

Posted by: someone at May 14, 2012 11:55 PM (bqjJT)

295 Unions....What can't they fuck up? http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Striptease-and-the-SEIU

Posted by: Zakn at May 14, 2012 11:56 PM (2TqDD)

296 I haven't smoked marijuana in about 2+ years. Granted, I got a little paranoid about lung disease, but I realized for what I enjoy about THC, a ginger square on a Friday or Saturday evening after going out and socializing, was all I needed.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 14, 2012 11:56 PM (eL1cu)

297 JewishOddyseus, you do realize I use JO because I am too lazy to type outyour full moniker. Also, I am torn between spelling it the latin as opposed to the Greek way. Odysseus as a boy's name is of Greek origin, and the meaning of Odysseus is "angry man". The derivation of this name is uncertain. Possibly linked to the Greek term "dys" meaning "to hate", or also possibly "leg wound". In Homer's epic poems "The Iliad" and "The Odyssey", Odysseus was known for his eloquence and his talent for playing tricks. The Latin version of the name, Ulysses, is better known in America due to the fame of President Ulysses S. Grant.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 14, 2012 11:56 PM (JKNDp)

298 136
Anybody got a good recipe for a traditional Persian salad, ... Thanks, horde.

Posted by: StPatrick_TN at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (fU9eM)

******************
PERSIAN SALAD
4 cups sand1/4 lb camel dung (fresh has a stronger presence, but dried is acceptable if your grocer doesn't have fresh)1 cup day old urine
Blend ingredients in a 6 quart plastic bowlPlace in microwave and nuke that motherfucker until it is just a molten, bubbly goo.

Posted by: Boomer Redneque knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at May 14, 2012 11:56 PM (eQnzo)

299 I started downloading before heading to work an hour ago.

Max Payne 3....oh god oh god

Posted by: Zakn at May 14, 2012 11:57 PM (2TqDD)

300 >the Devil's weed is just rotten. No good comes of it, period.


the calming effect of nicotine is the only thing between me and a three state shooting spree

Posted by: Jones in CO at May 14, 2012 11:57 PM (8sCoq)

301 Just tossing in a historical tidbit: the Puritans considered marriage
ideally as a secular institution -- a "civil union", if you will.



So if anyone assails you about how dare religion sticks its nose into
who anyone should marry, you can always say "Ah, so you agree with the
Puritans". Since anyone making that argument is bound to define
"Puritan" as horrible witch-burning bigoted sanctimonious idiot who is
the very symbol of their Enemy, you can have some fun times.

Posted by: sistrum at May 14, 2012 11:57 PM (AyryN)

302 293
276

Since some of you have wanted costume period outfit pics, here are some

ones from the April Gaskells ball. I'm wearing the outfit that would be

considered "incroyable" (that's a French term).
danceslut.net/cgi-bin/album.cgi?gac2



Posted by: SFGoth at May 14, 2012 11:49 PM (eL1cu)

For those of us unfamiliar with sartorial fashion during the Directory period, would that be "Sam"?


Posted by: cthulhu

Oh god no. I am not Sam. Many people thank me. He does have an attractive girlfriend though.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 14, 2012 11:58 PM (eL1cu)

303 I hate to admit it because this is precisely what big goverment nannys wanted when they started raising taxes on smokes, but i quit because smokes eventually just cost too much. I cut down more and more to make a pack last longer and when i was down to only smoking 2-3 cigs a day i decided what's the point?

Posted by: booger at May 14, 2012 11:58 PM (HI6wa)

304 Max Payne 3....oh god oh god

Posted by: Zakn at May 14, 2012 11:57 PM (2TqDD)

2 weeks, can't wait

Posted by: The Dude at May 14, 2012 11:59 PM (tw6Ar)

305 yeah, the guys working on my tree today went through a whole lotta smokes

it irritated me that they dropped all their butts on my lawn, but hey, as long as they get the tree down, I'll overlook it

oh and BTW I am Squirrel Enemy #1, there's about 3 homeless squirrels right now because of me

Posted by: chemjeff at May 15, 2012 12:00 AM (7FadD)

306 What responsibility do they escape?
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The responsibility to act in certain ways that better society. Now, I apologize if my rationale gets a little muddy, because I don't believe that having kids is THE most important job of married couples. It's not.

However, it is one of the main reasons married couples get so many benefits. In fact, I may be so bold as to argue that it is the SOLE reason married couples get these benefits. Therefore if we grant the same benefits to couples that will never be able to have children of their own (naturally), they escape the responsibility of providing society with future generations. I'm probably not being very clear on this--I have trouble with using the word "responsibility" because it might imply "obligation".
The fact is, most married couples have children. I'm not sure of the exact percentage, but it is a huge majority. I don't think marriage was created with the sole intention of sanctioning a couple's relationship. It does, but I think bearing children is a very important aspect of being married.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:00 AM (+ZI77)

307 There's a saying goin' 'round that evil is back, .

Diablo 3... I will get to you eventually. You can take that to the bank.

Posted by: Kratos (Ghost of Sparta) at May 15, 2012 12:00 AM (RvlzX)

308 303
I hate to admit it because this is precisely what big goverment nannys
wanted when they started raising taxes on smokes, but i quit because
smokes eventually just cost too much. I cut down more and more to make a
pack last longer and when i was down to only smoking 2-3 cigs a day i
decided what's the point?


Posted by: booger

Good for you. However, you are partially correct. They paid lip service to reducing smoking but they just wanted the $ stream. Their astonishment and angst when the $ dried up because of the reduction in smoking is well documented.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:00 AM (eL1cu)

309 I know smoking is bad, but so is a lot of stuff.Smoking calms me down.And I am only hurting myself. I smoke outside, I don't smoke in my house. And you don't want to see me if I quit, it would not be pretty.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 12:00 AM (fHyXI)

310 SFGoth - James, mayhaps?

Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 12:00 AM (AyryN)

311 Anybody got a good recipe for a traditional Persian salad, ... Thanks, horde.



Posted by: StPatrick_TN at May 14, 2012 10:43 PM (fU9eM)


Mix one heaping pile of Persian corpses with a sprinkling of Trachinian traitor, allow to bake in sun, sweat and blood for three days. Serves 300 Spartans and some Thespians.

Posted by: Chef Leonidas at May 15, 2012 12:02 AM (qhHI4)

312 They paid lip service to reducing smoking but they just wanted the $
stream. Their astonishment and angst when the $ dried up because of the
reduction in smoking is well documented.


Ahh, i stopped paying attention to all that stuff when i quit, wasn't aware of that.

Posted by: booger at May 15, 2012 12:03 AM (HI6wa)

313 Therefore if we grant the same benefits to couples that will never be
able to have children of their own (naturally), they escape the
responsibility of providing society with future generations.
-----------------

Then what about older people who get married? People past their child-bearing years who want the comfort of a partner as they pass into their golden time. People like Rush Limbaugh and Cathy.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:03 AM (oS2lG)

314 310
SFGoth - James, mayhaps?


Posted by: sistrum

K-rect.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:03 AM (eL1cu)

315 313
Therefore if we grant the same benefits to couples that will never be

able to have children of their own (naturally), they escape the

responsibility of providing society with future generations.
-----------------

Then
what about older people who get married? People past their
child-bearing years who want the comfort of a partner as they pass into
their golden time. People like Rush Limbaugh and Cathy.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism!

Doesn't that argument support gay marriage?

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:05 AM (eL1cu)

316 I had a short debate with a liberal neighbor regarding gay marriage. Her point was who was she to deny others happyness. My retort was to the effect of who are we to throughout in one generation a system that has existed thoughout human history. It is a little presumtious of us. The ramifications of the birth control pill have yet to be fully absorbed by society as herpes has become epidemic and divorce also epidemic. Finally what makes her think this would make homosexuals happy?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 12:05 AM (JKNDp)

317 Then what about older people who get married? People past their child-bearing years who want the comfort of a partner as they pass into their golden time. People like Rush Limbaugh and Cathy.
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Yes, and what about infertile couples and those that choose not to have children? I get this question a lot. My answer is that these examples are but a small minority of married couples. So small that, if the government passed a law where only married couples with children received these benefits, the cost would outweigh the benefits.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:07 AM (+ZI77)

318 Her point was who was she to deny others happyness

Why is happiness predicated on government sanction?

Posted by: buzzion at May 15, 2012 12:08 AM (GULKT)

319 Clarification: The cost of enforcement would outweigh the benefits.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:08 AM (+ZI77)

320 The Soyuz TMA-04M launch went off flawlessly. I watched it live. Gotta love the internet.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zb7PU5_uObU&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: rickl at May 15, 2012 12:08 AM (sdi6R)

321 I also brought up the idea of incestous marriage. It is after all two consenting adults. She replied well inbred children. I said two bothers or two sisters wouldn't have children. Neirher would a father and his son. She dropped the subject.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 12:09 AM (JKNDp)

322
Her point was who was she to deny others happyness


yup I think that pretty much sums up the main liberal argument in favor of gay marriage. lazy, sloppy thinking with no reflection or critical thinking even attempted.

Posted by: chemjeff at May 15, 2012 12:10 AM (7FadD)

323 Good evening, Zeera's at work and in the HQ. Gonna read the thread and all your witty comments. brb

Posted by: zeera at May 15, 2012 12:11 AM (XtxRN)

324 I also brought up the idea of incestous marriage. It is after all two consenting adults. She replied well inbred children. I said two bothers or two sisters wouldn't have children. Neirher would a father and his son. She dropped the subject.
-------
This is what I mean by traditional marriage being the best situation for raising children.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:11 AM (+ZI77)

325 Chemjeff, glad you enjoyed the joke.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 12:12 AM (JKNDp)

326 Doesn't that argument support gay marriage?


Posted by: SFGoth
--------------

By anti-gay-marriage joffen's reasoning, yes. That's why I'm asking.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:12 AM (oS2lG)

327 Breast feeding will never acome back. Did you ever see cave titties after four years of nursing?!!!!! heh womenz aint going for it. Besides with the bottles and formulas we have today its too easy. Now Greece thats a whole other story!!

Posted by: sonnyspats at May 15, 2012 12:12 AM (Qr9Rc)

328 Good for you. However, you are partially correct.
They paid lip service to reducing smoking but they just wanted the $
stream. Their astonishment and angst when the $ dried up because of the
reduction in smoking is well documented.


Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:00 AM (eL1cu)


They drove me to find out that I can smoke, now, for less than it used to cost me 25 years ago - $1.30/pack. Better tasting cigarettes, too. And the state doesn't get jack shit. They should all rot in hell.

Nicotine has the most unusual combination of properties in that it both calms AND enhances alertness at the same time. There is no other drug that has those two effects. And when they ban smoking from places I just stop patronizing them. They can suck wind for all I care.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 12:12 AM (X3lox)

329 @326: I am opposed to homosexual marriage and civil unions for the reasons I described above.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:13 AM (+ZI77)

330 Life just gets too damn complicated when we change the rules to accomodate everyone. Chaos reigns.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 12:13 AM (JKNDp)

331 314
310

SFGoth - James, mayhaps?




Posted by: sistrum

K-rect.


Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:03 AM (eL1cu)


Oh, *THAT* Directory period!

Seriously, dude....the dictionary definition has no picture and says "n. 1. A French fop or dandy of the time of the Directory; hence, any fop." And I'm going, "What, I should know French fops? Historic French fops? Specific French historic period French fops? WTF?"



Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 12:14 AM (kaalw)

332 Just saw on the MSM that women with children are more likelyto overeat and indulge themselves with ice cream

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:16 AM (lkdo/)

333 @330: Exactly. Every law is discriminatory by nature. A five-year-old cannot vote. A 14-year-old cannot legally drive a vehicle.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:16 AM (+ZI77)

334 Lakers embarrassed by the Thunder
109-90. (worse loss of the year)

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 15, 2012 12:16 AM (e8kgV)

335
Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:16 AM (+ZI77)

but it sure is fun driving at 14...till you go into a ditch and your uncle tells you to never speak of it again (I fucked that mini van UP)

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 12:18 AM (tw6Ar)

336 Sorry, that was 119-90

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 15, 2012 12:18 AM (e8kgV)

337
Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at May 15, 2012 12:16 AM (e8kgV)

but Kobe said that the Thunder isn't even good enough to sit at their table in the lunch room

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 12:18 AM (tw6Ar)

338 LogProf and IronGrampa, congratulations on your respective milestones. It's good to hear the homey things after a long day of discussing politics -- it reminds you that there are still plenty of decent people around.

This is my hail and farewell -- off to bed soon, then another thrilling day of correcting other peoples' typos. It pays the mortgage.

Posted by: joncelli at May 15, 2012 12:19 AM (708Gm)

339 #138

A raging case of BDS developed in the hiatus. MacFarlane is just plain nuts when it comes to anything political. The interview he did in Playboy a while back was a prime example. His rationale for why Bush is a bad person is he had wealthy parents and Seth didn't. Get therapy, dude. You can afford a 24-7 live-in team of shrinks to work out your childhood traumas.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 12:19 AM (kcfmt)

340 Yes, and what about infertile couples and those that
choose not to have children? I get this question a lot. My answer is
that these examples are but a small minority of married couples. So
small that, if the government passed a law where only married couples
with children received these benefits, the cost would outweigh the
benefits.


Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot
--------------------

Gay couples would also be a ridiculously small minority of married couples. And of course you know that gay couples can and do have kids. If it's a lesbian couple they don't even have to adopt.

I'm not convinced that gay couples evade responsibility in ways that straight couples don't, and I still say by your reasoning straight couples who marry with no intention or capability of having kids are on the same shaky moral ground as gay couples.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:19 AM (oS2lG)

341 Dan, sorry about the user-unfriendliness! Blogger has errrr, evolved recently, it's harder for ME to post, but I will see what I can do to make the process easier. As you know, I do NOT require approval...but I just delete the stupid replies, heheh.

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 15, 2012 12:20 AM (1X/a4)

342 good song
http://tinyurl.com/cc2ow22

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 12:20 AM (tw6Ar)

343 1.) Smoking doesn't calm most people down from a natural stress in any practical sense. It creates stress and relives it. The stress results from the inflammation and the withdrawal effects.

2.) Nicotine by itself seems fairly harmless on it's own. Buy the gum.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 12:21 AM (N/1Dm)

344 "It does, but I think bearing children is a very important aspect of being married. " In what century?

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:21 AM (lkdo/)

345 Incroyables ("incredibles") were circa 1790-1800-ish. After the Terror, they rebelled against boring outfits, sorta like zoot-suiters. Mind you, I mostly have traditional Victorian outfits.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:21 AM (eL1cu)

346 #344, Troll-y McTrollston~without married couples bearing children through the years, chances are very high you would not be here to troll. While I would be included in the group who would applaud that fact, I might not be here to applaud, either.

Posted by: Theresa at May 15, 2012 12:24 AM (xHWBA)

347 what makes her think this would make homosexuals happy?


Posted by: Ohio Dan
-------------------

Who cares if that's what homosexuals say?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:24 AM (oS2lG)

348 As you might gather from @278, I'm all for kicking "marriage" out of the law entirely.....as well as anything else that can can be excised in order to streamline and simplify our lives. I'd be all for tort reform where someone actually has to personally be harmed, insurance that only covered hazards, crimes defined in a way that required victims, and the Constitution read in a way that a well-educated individual in 1800 might read it.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 12:26 AM (kaalw)

349 345
Incroyables ("incredibles") were circa 1790-1800-ish. After the Terror,
they rebelled against boring outfits, sorta like zoot-suiters.


Was there ever another place and time when wearing stockings that transform one legs into candy canes would be considered the height of fashion?

Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 12:26 AM (AyryN)

350 eh - getting tired and the gay marriage chat isn't doing it for me tonight.

good night all

and if you see any squirrels marching and carrying "Burn Chemjeff's House" signs, please direct them elsewhere

Posted by: chemjeff at May 15, 2012 12:26 AM (7FadD)

351 Gay couples would also be a ridiculously small minority of married couples. And of course you know that gay couples can and do have kids. If it's a lesbian couple they don't even have to adopt.
------
Absolutely correct. However, I brought up just one reason why they shouldn't get married. It's not just a matter of being able to have children, it's the fact that a child born to a married couple leads to the best outcome. Society, in the need to encourage that, grants myriad benefits to married couples.

That isn't to say that a gay married couple would do a bad job at child-rearing, it's that a traditional married couple would do it better.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:27 AM (+ZI77)

352 1.) Smoking doesn't calm most people down from a
natural stress in any practical sense. It creates stress and relives it.
The stress results from the inflammation and the withdrawal effects.


Not by my experience. Maybe yours is different?

2.) Nicotine by itself seems fairly harmless on it's own. Buy the gum.


Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 12:21 AM (N/1Dm)


The gum is shit. Total shit. And disgusting. You buy it.

I like cigarettes. That's my choice and my preference.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 12:27 AM (X3lox)

353 I'm going to smoke. Sort out the politics during the day plox

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 12:28 AM (2TqDD)

354 what/s for dinner?
Old Hatch





Posted by: chef spector at May 15, 2012 12:28 AM (YlSwz)

355 Arhooley, we have reduced the role of men in this society to the detriment of our children. I do not suport gay adoption either. I think it is selfish to fill matriarchal desires by having children without either the male or female influence. I'm a realist and realize due to divorce it happens all the time but look at how screwed up kids are. We have become a very selfish society. I have alway said the most selfish people are also the most screwed up. With such a screwed up society people go looking for strong leaders to straighten things out. That is the power of dictators and religions like islam. If society doesn't have things of which it approves or disapproves of you have no society you have chaos.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 12:29 AM (JKNDp)

356 I'm going to smoke. Sort out the politics during the day plox

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 12:28 AM (2TqDD)

it's those damn bilderbergers in the bohemian grove with their drones in the skies that won't let us speak of anything but politics

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 12:30 AM (tw6Ar)

357 "Mind you, I mostly have traditional Victorian outfits."Cool. Gotany pics?I recently visited a mennonite community. Loved seeing the traditional (modest) dresses.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:30 AM (lkdo/)

358 Monnonite woman are great cooks.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:31 AM (lkdo/)

359 Just seen on twitter:
“@StellaRtwot: I'm really getting sick of the hobo discrimination around here! I like to think of these people as having "earning disabilities."”

I like that for OWS...

Posted by: Johnny I at May 15, 2012 12:32 AM (y0VSd)

360 The gum is shit. Total shit. And disgusting. You buy it. I like cigarettes. That's my choice and my preference.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 12:27 AM (X3lox)
353 I'm going to smoke. Sort out the politics during the day plox
Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 12:28 AM (2TqDD)

I will join you

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 12:33 AM (fHyXI)

361 "it's that a traditional married couple would do it better. " I know of some very messed up traditional couples. (not endorsing gay marriage)

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:33 AM (lkdo/)

362 #285

It's what I've been saying for a long time. The sole involvement of government should be property law and the protection of citizens who cannot protect themselves: children. Marriage should be left to private organizations like churches. If a particular church doesn't allow gay marriage that is their right. They shouldn't be forced by government to accept gays within their membership any more than a gym that want to offer membership exclusively to women looking to avoid a meat market (or seeking a specialty meat market) should be forced to accept male applicants.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 12:33 AM (kcfmt)

363 As you might gather from @278, I'm all for kicking "marriage" out of the
law entirely.....as well as anything else that can can be excised in
order to streamline and simplify our lives.
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Totally agree.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:34 AM (oS2lG)

364 #361

And I know of two gay couples whose relationships ended in hospitalization and jail time.

Welcome to equality.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 12:35 AM (kcfmt)

365 Okay, I will quit being a pontificating know it all for the evening and watch the ONT find its normal level of titties and beer.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 12:36 AM (JKNDp)

366
"And I know of two gay couples whose relationships ended in hospitalization and jail time."
That sounds pretty extreme

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:36 AM (lkdo/)

367 Like it or not. Gay marriage is probably coming to every state in the USA eventually. I still try to love my neighbor

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:37 AM (lkdo/)

368 "And I know of two gay couples whose relationships ended in hospitalization and jail time."
Although, there are probably some (small amount) of traditional couples that end up that way too.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:38 AM (lkdo/)

369 How does government get in the way of marriage? I don't think it does at all. In fact, this is one of the basic responsibilities of government in an ordered society: to ensure the security and cohesion of society. Right?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:38 AM (+ZI77)

370 367 Like it or not. Gay marriage is probably coming to every state in the USA eventually. I still try to love my neighbor
Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:37 AM (lkdo/)

WTF. If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 12:38 AM (fHyXI)

371 #343

Nicotine can do serious harm. Gum and patches have been abused in ways that lead to death. There is a reason most states keep them locked up in the store.

Did you know nicotine is used as an insecticide? Or that there are specific diseases related to tobacco harvesting with bare hands?

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 12:39 AM (kcfmt)

372 "They shouldn't be forced by government to accept gays within their membership " Well, I don't think the orthodox christians/jew will ever change.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:39 AM (lkdo/)

373 If gay couples succeed in redefining marriage it will be rendered meaningless. They will be essentially fighting for nothing.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:40 AM (+ZI77)

374
"
WTF. If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything"
I think that is a pretty radical statement

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:40 AM (lkdo/)

375
WTF. If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything
Also, can sometimes end up in jail or worse.

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:41 AM (lkdo/)

376 E Pluribus Unum

It used to be the national motto until the '50s

But, I always liked it.

From many, one.

It's a good sentiment.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 12:41 AM (vtXM/)

377 Darn, Pixy ate my comment....

SFGoth -- the cut of your outfit is quite stylin' and suits you well.....are the colors authentic? Also, what French foppin' decade was "Sam" representing?

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 12:41 AM (kaalw)

378 WTF. If you dont stand for something you will fall for anything"I think that is a pretty radical statement
Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:40 AM (lkdo/)

How so?

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 12:42 AM (fHyXI)

379
How so?
I don't see the world as "all or nothing". I think there is a range

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:43 AM (lkdo/)

380 this is one of the basic responsibilities of
government in an ordered society: to ensure the security and cohesion of
society. Right?


Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot
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I think it's to guarantee each individual's human rights. Social cohesion is a natural and salutary consequence.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:44 AM (oS2lG)

381
If gay couples succeed in redefining marriage it will be rendered meaningless. They will be essentially fighting for nothing.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:40 AM (+ZI77)


But that's exactly what gay pretend-marriage advocates are fighting for. "If marriage can't really mean anything for me then I'm going to debase and pervert it to such an extent that it has no meaning for you, either." They would prefer that there were no longer any actual genetic connection assumed between family members - that families are nothing more than random groups of people living together.

Leftists try to do this with all traditions in society. They try to do it, rather effectively, with our language, too. Leftists generally like to create such a mess of chaos that their idiocy and incompetence can't be distinguished from the insane society that their crazy, inconsistent and unnatural laws forces to appear.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 12:44 AM (X3lox)

382 379 How so?I don't see the world as "all or nothing". I think there is a range
Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:43 AM (lkdo/)

And I am guessing your range is agree with me, or you are the stupid.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 12:44 AM (fHyXI)

383
And I am guessing your range is agree with me, or you are the stupid.
yes sir

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:46 AM (lkdo/)

384 Mashup: 50 best "very special" episodes:

http://tinyurl.com/blkxvs7

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:46 AM (+ZI77)

385 logprof..

Congrats on your Son!!

Posted by: sickinmass at May 15, 2012 12:46 AM (bcNec)

386 >>>>>Not by my experience. Maybe yours is different?


Well it's fairly easy to tell from your health markers whether it does or not. And it's not really important how it makes one feel, because while it may certainly feel like cigarettes calm you down, that doesn't mean that they are actually calming you down.

Smoking causes inflammation which drives all sorts of problems like heart disease, hypertension, cancer, and auto-immune disorders.

This is all with regular use, of course. If you smoke a few cigarettes a week it's not really a problem.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 12:46 AM (N/1Dm)

387 I think it's to guarantee each individual's human rights. Social cohesion is a natural and salutary consequence.
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Exactly right.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:47 AM (+ZI77)

388 383 And I am guessing your range is agree with me, or you are the stupid.yes sir
Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 12:46 AM (lkdo/
Thats what I thought.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 12:47 AM (fHyXI)

389 Most of my costume pics are on my FB page. Here is a group photo of the men from last year's Friday Gettysburg ball. I'm lower left, looking away from the camera. Scroll down to 2nd from bottom.

gettysburgball.com/photos.html

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:48 AM (eL1cu)

390 "
I think it's to guarantee each individual's human rights."

Which is why "rights" also get redefined. Pretty soon, everything is one.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 12:48 AM (vtXM/)

391 because while it may certainly feel like cigarettes calm you down, that doesn't mean that they are actually calming you down.

So ... you're telling me that I don't know how I feel? That sounds like people who used to say, "You only think you're happy, but you really aren't."

Calm is a state of mind. There are some physiological markers, but in the end it's a state of mind. If my heart is racing but I feel calm, then I am calm.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 12:49 AM (X3lox)

392 So ... you're telling me that I don't know how I feel? That sounds like people who used to say, "You only think you're happy, but you really aren't."Calm is a state of mind. There are some physiological markers, but in the end it's a state of mind. If my heart is racing but I feel calm, then I am calm.
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 12:49 AM (X3lox)
This

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 12:50 AM (fHyXI)

393 @390: Yes, the government's purpose is to allow for individual rights to thrive. People already have natural rights, obviously. It is not the government's job to create them. You made an important point.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:51 AM (+ZI77)

394 If gay couples succeed in redefining marriage it will be rendered meaningless. They will be essentially fighting for nothing.


Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot
--------------------

Sounds like their problem.

I do wonder, though, why people get hung up on the word "marriage." If gays go through some ceremony and they call it a marriage and you don't think it is, how is that redefining marriage? I know one Catholic couple who separated (can't divorce) and they now permanently reside on separate continents. I wouldn't call that a marriage, but if they call it one, well, shrug.

Lots of Muslim women think they're free and equal. The fact that they're not doesn't redefine freedom and equality.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:51 AM (oS2lG)

395 If gays go through some ceremony and they call it a marriage and you don't think it is, how is that redefining marriage?
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Well doesn't that define marriage into non-existence? Isn't that like saying "you have your truth and I have mine."?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:55 AM (+ZI77)

396 About the gay marriage debate, this business will get out of control. It will get out of control and we will be lucky to live through it.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 12:55 AM (eL1cu)

397 Lots of Muslim women think they're free and equal. The fact that they're not doesn't redefine freedom and equality.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:51 AM (oS2lG)


It means that they use the wrong words. Freedom and equality are qualities external to a person. They might be satisfied and content with their situation and that no one can argue with. If they are, they are.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 12:55 AM (X3lox)

398 In case you missed it--a cool mashup of those "very special" episodes from tv shows. Check it out:

http://tinyurl.com/blkxvs7

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:56 AM (+ZI77)

399 Which is why "rights" also get redefined. Pretty soon, everything is one.


Posted by: navybrat
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Our founders left us with some pretty broad terms: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They never claimed a specific right for straight people to marry.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 12:56 AM (oS2lG)

400 #381

First comes the "march through the institutions," then the complete destruction. Leftists figure they can fix everything if the pesky old stuff is swept aside and the world rebuilt in their image. But they forget their primary talent is destruction and will be left fighting over rubble.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 12:57 AM (kcfmt)

401

"Our founders left us with some pretty broad terms: life, liberty, and
the pursuit of happiness. They never claimed a specific right for
straight people to marry."

Nor did they forbid it. If so, I could be mistaken, but I see nowhere in the Constitution or amendments that prohibits it, and therefore it goes to the States.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 12:59 AM (vtXM/)

402 Our founders left us with some pretty broad terms: life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. They never claimed a specific right for straight people to marry.
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Well seeing as marriage predated the founders, I doubt they even thought about it.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 12:59 AM (+ZI77)

403 This is not a new problem. Lincoln said once

"Liberty is one thing to a man and a different thing to another."

or words to that effect.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 01:02 AM (vtXM/)

404 401


"Our founders left us with some pretty broad terms: life, liberty, and

the pursuit of happiness. They never claimed a specific right for

straight people to marry."

Nor did they forbid it. If so, I
could be mistaken, but I see nowhere in the Constitution or amendments
that prohibits it, and therefore it goes to the States.


Posted by: navybrat

The problem being when couples move from one state to another.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 01:02 AM (eL1cu)

405 They never claimed a specific right for straight people to marry.



I would say they likely viewed it as an obligation, really.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 01:02 AM (X3lox)

406 Please be aware that Lampshade (lkdo/) is a troll. A shifty one at that. Don't respond to the Sucker of Cock, but belittling him is good sport.

He probably picked his nic from the last item he had sexual relations with. Hopefully soon he will pop in here with the nic Meat Grinder.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 15, 2012 01:04 AM (ccXZP)

407 Well, if that's how you define calm them you should shoot some smack. It's super relaxing. And I'm not saying you don't know how you feel, I'm saying how you feel is secondary to whether or not cigarettes cause you more stress.

Stress is measured through your health markers like blood pressure, CRP, blood lipids, Vitamin D levels, body composition, sleep quality, and hormone status. If you feel calm and any of these markers are out of whack then you are still suffering from some amount of chronic stress.

Cigarettes cause inflammation and if you smoke regularly you create a constant low-grade inflammation and chronic stress.

State of mind is all well and good but it doesn't mirror health.

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 01:04 AM (N/1Dm)

408 Perhaps a greater point, to continue from @348, the over-legalization of marriage has harmed straights more than the lack of marriage has harmed gays.....just by sheer weight of numbers. How many pre-nups are there? How many nasty, vicious property settlements and custody battles? How many nasty surprises upon death, and unfortunate mixups over government programs? How many people can't get married because a spouse has debt, probation, DUI, or they can't afford the marriage penalty in the tax code?

And, yet, any time I say we shouldn't complicate marriage by including gays without fixing it first by changing the laws, I get a bunch of pushback saying I'm an "anti-gay h8er" while not addressing my point.......grrrrrrrrrrr.....

In a perfect world, it would be grand if you could go down to the post office and get a form, where you could put both your original names and -- using checkboxes -- sign up for a variety of conveniences. "Change last name? Y/N -- put new one here ____________." "Mutual Medical Power of Attorney? Y/N -- and initial _____________" "Mutual right of survivorship on real estate? Y/N -- attach list" "Tax averaging? Y/N".....fill it out, pay a $25 filing fee, and that's all. To amend, file a new one; to revoke, file a cancellation. There should be little on the list that couldn't be accomplished under contract today ("tax averaging" replacing the tax code's determination of married just reflects my irritation that the IRS invades the connubial bed at present) -- but it would be helpful to put it in one place.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 01:05 AM (kaalw)

409 Well GnuBreed, if he had his way he would marry the object of his affection.

I give up, eat dogs, marry dogs, marry your brother, screw your car, marry your sister, hell marry a cabbage,etc. How dare we have any morals. Shame on us for having standards. Live and let live, we have no say.
Wouldnt that be wonderful?
But by god dont smoke cigarettes.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 01:05 AM (fHyXI)

410 Love Johnny Depp,
hate Tim Burton.

Burton is just. Too. Fucking. Weird.

Posted by: Kathy from Kansas at May 15, 2012 01:06 AM (F0o5k)

411 I figured lampshade for a troll when I saw the moniker. My discussion on the topics at hand were for the resident MM's.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 01:07 AM (JKNDp)

412 Well doesn't that define marriage into non-existence? Isn't that like saying "you have your truth and I have mine."?


Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot
------------------

I agree we've got to be sensible and establish some limits to the uses of words. But are we at the point of non-existence when some gay couple claims to be "married" and you think they're something else? There are lots of married couples that aren't committed or faithful. I think they harm society in various ways, but how would their particular misunderstanding or abuse of marriage degrade the institution for those who are committed and faithful?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:08 AM (oS2lG)

413 Well, if that's how you define calm them you should shoot some smack. It's super relaxing.

Did I say somewhere that achieving total calm was the be all and end all of my life pursuits? The most calm state is right before sleep, but I enjoy being awake.

You can continue to tell me that I don't know how to recognize when I'm calm (which is pretty easy to assess by how clear thinking is, etc.). Some people are calm under very high stress (clutch players, say) and others are anxious under no stress at all.

Physiological markers do not say everything about state of mind, and calm is a state of mind and an environment in which thoughts are processed in a logical and smooth manner.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 01:08 AM (X3lox)

414 I figured lampshade for a troll when I saw the moniker.

First time I saw this one adopt the 'lampshade' sock was on a Holocaust Thread a little over a week ago.

Posted by: garrett at May 15, 2012 01:10 AM (Br0dO)

415 "The problem being when couples move from one state to another."

States have been known to pass some pretty messed up laws as regards marriage. That is their right, I suppose. I am not 100% resolved on this issue, personally, I could care less what people do with their personal lives. It is none of my business.

Do the States have the right to pass laws as they see fit or do they not?

The Constitution says they do, as long as they do not go astray of any of the Amendments.

Next up, Constitutional convention process. Now, that IS in the Constitution.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 01:10 AM (vtXM/)

416 Just saw the Honey Badger don't care effeminate male voiced pistachio commercial. See sometimes it is okay to immitate and make fun of certain groups if you are part of the right group. Don't look for Amos and Andy reruns anytime soon. Oh yeah, and being upset over Travon and beating strangers with different melatonin levels must be understood.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 01:14 AM (JKNDp)

417 415
"The problem being when couples move from one state to another."

States
have been known to pass some pretty messed up laws as regards marriage.
That is their right, I suppose. I am not 100% resolved on this issue,
personally, I could care less what people do with their personal lives.
It is none of my business.

Do the States have the right to pass laws as they see fit or do they not?

The Constitution says they do, as long as they do not go astray of any of the Amendments.

Next up, Constitutional convention process. Now, that IS in the Constitution.


Posted by: navybrat

You know, it's just not that simple. How do you account for the Full Faith Credit clause? Oh, that's not an amendment. I guess Montana can coin its own money too.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 01:16 AM (eL1cu)

418 Ohio Dan, hope I didn't miss you! Had to leave the party a while. Hey, I use the JO abbrev. all the time, no problem, man!

I always loved the character of Odysseus because 1--he was a man of honor; 2--he was always trying to win, win, WIN above all! 3--his home was overrun by parasites while he was off winning the Big War, so upon his return, he, with the help of his young son, utterly annihilated the Enemy at Home.


What's not to love?

Truly mind-boggling to imagine that those novel-length Homeric poems were sung by performers who knew every line by heart...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 15, 2012 01:17 AM (1X/a4)

419 Again I ask, is it okay for a gay father and son to marry each other? Is it okay for society to say, NO that is just wrong?

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 01:17 AM (JKNDp)

420 Alright ladies and gents, I'm off to bed. Have a good night.

Fuckers.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at May 15, 2012 01:17 AM (+ZI77)

421 Nor did they forbid it. If so, I could be mistaken,
but I see nowhere in the Constitution or amendments that prohibits it,
and therefore it goes to the States.


Posted by: navybrat
-----------------

There ya go. It's for the states to determine. NOW, if people move around, they might have a problem, but they'll just have to work it out. That already happens all the time anyway. You have to get a new driver's license, scrape the darkening off your car windows, get a permit for your gun, whatever.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:17 AM (oS2lG)

422 So just to clarify: If a person develops hypertension and has a fatal stroke as a result of long-term cigarette smoking but they felt calm, you'd say that cigarettes made them more calm than they would be if they weren't smokers, as long as they (hypothetically) felt less calm without the cigarettes, even though they would never develop hypertension?

Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 01:18 AM (N/1Dm)

423 Don't forget his kick ass Bow.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 01:18 AM (JKNDp)

424 So just to clarify: If a person develops
hypertension and has a fatal stroke as a result of long-term cigarette
smoking but they felt calm, you'd say that cigarettes made them more
calm than they would be if they weren't smokers, as long as they
(hypothetically) felt less calm without the cigarettes, even though they
would never develop hypertension?


Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 01:18 AM (N/1Dm)


You've got more assumptions than words, there. Impressive.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 01:19 AM (X3lox)

425 #415: None of those "pretty messed up laws" go so far as to redefine the very nature of marriage.

Same-sex marriage is the first such redefinition to be allowed to any extent in the US. Utah was only allowed to become a state on the condition of outlawing polygamy.

Without DOMA, if one preexisting state agreed to such a radical redefinition, every state, present and future, would have to accept it.


Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 01:20 AM (3yCFy)

426 422 So just to clarify: If a person develops hypertension and has a fatal stroke as a result of long-term cigarette smoking but they felt calm, you'd say that cigarettes made them more calm than they would be if they weren't smokers, as long as they (hypothetically) felt less calm without the cigarettes, even though they would never develop hypertension?
Posted by: runninrebel at May 15, 2012 01:18 AM (N/1Dm)

Well, they had a fatal stroke and died, one less person sucking the life out of social security.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 01:20 AM (fHyXI)

427 JO, did you catch the reference to his name meaning angry man? I read that for the first time tonight. It adds an extra dimention to the narative. I thought that might also be in the back of your mind when you decided to use it.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 01:21 AM (JKNDp)

428 I have to hit it folks otherwise I will sleep the day away.

Posted by: Ohio Dan at May 15, 2012 01:23 AM (JKNDp)

429 At first Lampshade will post a thing or two that are pretty much red meat conservative positions. This gets him a few positive responses from the Horde.

Then his mask begins to slip and his ranting gets extreme. What he's looking for at that stage is for someone to go 'hell yea'. If that fails, he turns up the extremism even higher, then basically start agreeing with himself. At these stages he's still hoping to rope in any sort of sympathy at all.

Finallu as he gets tired, he just starts posting random nonsense. I assume his boss pumps him full of oral semen shots in the morning to sorta recharge his typing skills.

But this all pure conjecture on my part.

Posted by: GnuBreed at May 15, 2012 01:23 AM (ccXZP)

430 Again I ask, is it okay for a gay father and son to marry each other? Is it okay for society to say, NO that is just wrong?


Posted by: Ohio Dan
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Bleah, no to gay dad and son marrying. I don't buy all slippery slope arguments either, though, and there are many narrow arguments put forth for gay marriage that would unquestionably exclude dads, cats, cars, etc. The fact that there are stupid arguments also put forth doesn't invalidate the narrow ones. Lefties corrupt the shit out of things.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:23 AM (oS2lG)

431 #394

Give it a few generations. That is the long plan. When a generation grows up in a world where marriage is meaningless the leftist believe this will somehow erase innate human behavior. They believe that finding homosexuality repugnant is purely a social construct.

It's the same brand of idiocy that tries to raise boys to be girls by pretending aggressive play is purely an acquired trait and a kid who is never exposed to the concept of a weapon will never have the idea that a thrown rock can produce interesting effects.

A core principle of leftism is to deny all inherent human instincts and flaws derived from what was important to our distant ancestors' survival. It is no coincidence that Sociology is heavily leftist as it still pushes the blank slate belief that has been utterly shattered by our understanding of how much behavior is encoded in our DNA.

Did you know you have a gene that tells you not to bite off your own fingers and eat them? There is a tiny percentage of boys born with a defect in that gene that leads to horrific self-mutilation. (I read a long article about it a few years ago that I believe was written by John McPhee but I cannot find it now.)

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 01:23 AM (kcfmt)

432 "How do you account for the Full Faith Credit clause?"

So you're saying that record created in one state should be respected by another.

As a matter of historical accuracy I suppose so.

Moving from state to state does have implications, not the least of which is you should expect to abide by the laws of your new state.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 01:25 AM (vtXM/)

433
On gay marriage, the president hasn’t evolved, he’s come out of the closet, dragging a ton of campaign cash from his most committed/demented supporters.

What James K. Polk was to Manifest Destiny, what Ronald Reagan was to stopping the advance of Soviet communism, what John F. Kennedy was to Olympic-class fornication – Barack Hussein Obama is to the Lady Gaga agenda.

If the president’s newest position on unholy matrimony is courageous, then his earlier retreat on the issue must have been craven. As a candidate for the Illinois State Senate in 1996, Obama declared “I favor legalizing same-sex marriages, and would fight efforts to prohibit such marriages.” He was running in a district that made Massachusetts look like Kansas. By 2004, when he was running for the United States Senate (and in 2008 as a presidential candidate) – and after weighing all of the evidence judiciously for a fraction of a second – the champion of a spurious equality endorsed the view that “marriage is between a man and a woman” a position he’s steadfastly maintained (sort of) for eight years, while teasing us with regular hints that his views here were evolving – based on polling data and fundraising imperatives.

In 2010, a beaming Obama signed repeal of Don’t-Ask-Don’t-Tell (having engineered its passage by a lame duck Congress), allowing homosexuals to serve openly in the military. In so doing, the SCFOAMF proclaimed: “This law I’m about to sign will strengthen our national security and uphold the ideals that our fighting men and women risk their lives to defend.” Little did the men lying in graves in Normandy know that when they died on Omaha Beach it was so that one day their successors could be leered at in showers by members of a “sexual minority.”

Give him the benefit of the doubt, Obama may actually believe that increasing the anxiety of guys serving in combat supports national security. After all, he thinks killing the Keystone Pipeline lessens our dependence on Middle Eastern oil, and trillion-dollar deficits lead to prosperity.

Posted by: sickinmass at May 15, 2012 01:28 AM (bcNec)

434 Dan, no, I just took it as a name, but from the poems it seems like Achilles (from the Iliad) wd fit that better. Odysseus is constantly labeled as "cunning...tactician...schemer" tho he also shows a [quite high] boling point.

Notice the Odyssey quote I use at the blog, it specifically refers to the bow...and notice how cool he is as he prepares to slay the suitors. Angry? Yes. Our of control? No.

But for me the greatest scene is when he's rescued on a beach, and he's invited to a banquet, and the court minstrel is singing about, as it happens, the battles he had fought in, and the men who had died at his side...and he starts weeping, but tries to hide it...Quite a scene...

Posted by: JewishOdysseus at May 15, 2012 01:29 AM (1X/a4)

435 Good evening again.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 01:30 AM (4ixH5)

436 should have gone to Best Buy, more productive that this......thread

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 01:31 AM (tw6Ar)

437 SFGoth

I guess this is my soapbox. Human beings can relate to each other in a myriad of ways, a lot of them are wonderful different types of relationships, many of which carry commitment, in both long and short term and all of that is... none of the government's damn business. The government has a very narrow interest in which it can define a need to regulate human relationships, that narrow interest is marriage. My point is that, if homosexual relationships are defined within that interest, then the need to control and regulate is simply not present; And the government should get the hell out of recognizing, sanctioning and regulating marriage all together, because, obvioiusly, it's none of the damn business.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 15, 2012 01:31 AM (wy+PT)

438 http://tinyurl.com/cj54lre

Reading this bit at the Guardian talking about misandry in culture but let me quote the bit I enjoyed the most.


"There are those, however, who take exception to the notion that men
are a downtrodden minority, unable to speak out for fear of ridicule or
repression. "It's an idea that's made more comebacks than Madonna," says
Julie Bindel, the feminist writer and political activist. "It's total
and utter bullshit. There are areas where men are paying the price that
male supremacy gives them – there's absolutely no doubt about that.
"My
dad, a working-class man from the north-east, had an absolutely
horrendous job in a steel mill and he came home bad-tempered, knackered
and underpaid. What he could do was come home and dominate – not in a
physical way – but he could be the boss over his wife and children, he
could go and sink 10 pints in the pub.""


Translation: Waaaaaahhhhhh, daddy was a big meanie! I hate him!!!! Waaaaahhhhhh!!!!!! All men must pay!!!!


Modern feminism, gynelogical supremicism rooted in daddy issues.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 01:33 AM (4ixH5)

439 I agree we've got to be sensible and establish some
limits to the uses of words. But are we at the point of non-existence
when some gay couple claims to be "married" and you think they're
something else? There are lots of married couples that aren't committed
or faithful. I think they harm society in various ways, but how would
their particular misunderstanding or abuse of marriage degrade the
institution for those who are committed and faithful?


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:08 AM (oS2lG)


And this circles back to the crux of things. A lot of the argument over gay marriage is about societal acceptance, which is being pursued in legislative or judicial contexts. Problem is, judges and congressmen are not social role models. "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy" did more for societal acceptance than any decision SCOTUS could ever hand down, by cooperating with and demonstrating empathy for straight relationships. Any flop or flip of a congressman on gay issues is seen as cynical pandering -- if not an outright sale for cash a la Obama's $15M Hollywood speech.

There's only one thing more hated than a one-issue zealot, and that's a one-issue zealot that says, "I have a court case, so....in your face, suckas!" It's been almost 40 years since Roe v. Wade -- was the subsequent "calm" worth bloating the Constitution with "emanations" and "penumbras"? On a policy level, I believe that abortion-on-demand is the least bad alternative available.....but RvW is probably the worst SCOTUS ruling since Wickard, has freed the Executive and Legislative branches to conduct all sorts of mischief, inflamed the populace to repeated vigilantism (on both sides), and led to horrors like Sibelius' anti-Catholic rulemaking.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 01:33 AM (kaalw)

440 Good evening again.


Posted by: Robert
-----------------

Oh man, you're gonna want to crawl back out.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:34 AM (oS2lG)

441 "And the government should get the hell out of recognizing, sanctioning
and regulating marriage all together, because, obvioiusly, it's none of
the damn business."

And there is my point. The government gets involved for all kinds of reasons, taxation, property laws, family law of all types. There is social engineering of all types, not the least of which is a check box for marital status on your IRS forms, and others for dependents.

You can argue whether these laws (which cover volumes) are just, but ultimately they are there because the authors of them had a desired outcome in mind, usually rooted in do gooderism of one sort or another.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 01:36 AM (vtXM/)

442 Oh man, you're gonna want to crawl back out.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:34 AM (oS2lG)


Aggro night?


Maybe people just need some laffs.


http://tinyurl.com/7xffwhu

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 01:38 AM (4ixH5)

443 Did you know you have a gene that tells you not to
bite off your own fingers and eat them? There is a tiny percentage of
boys born with a defect in that gene that leads to horrific
self-mutilation. (I read a long article about it a few years ago that I
believe was written by John McPhee but I cannot find it now.)


Posted by: epobirs
----------------------

Whoa whoa whoa. Born that way? They don't choose that unnatural behavior? So there's no moral dimension to it? Gee, I wonder what other unusual tendencies and behaviors might be inborn and properly removed from moral judgments.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:40 AM (oS2lG)

444 Google 'I'm on a boat' and look for the Old Spice ad. Hilarious.

Posted by: Gern Blandsden at May 15, 2012 01:41 AM (4qU0l)

445 You can argue whether these laws (which cover
volumes) are just, but ultimately they are there because the authors of
them had a desired outcome in mind, usually rooted in do gooderism of
one sort or another.


Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 01:36 AM (vtXM/)


And, again -- I'll consider gay marriage under the law (which effects the 5% of the population that is gay), when all that bullshit do-gooderism is rooted out (which effects everyone).

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 01:41 AM (kaalw)

446 Robert-

Get Out!


(or post tits)

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 01:41 AM (2TqDD)

447 #430: Yes, lefties do corrupt everything. So, if gay marriage becomes
the law of the land, it's just a matter of time before incest becomes
normalized.



After all, why is incest illegal? Yes, it's icky, but the real reason is inbreeding.



In a sexual relationship between two brothers, it's impossible to produce children.



No breeding, no inbreeding.



No inbreeding, no real harm in it (according to liberals).



So, we'd quickly start seeing "brotherly love" activism. All those "logical" and "rational" and "open-minded" types would gradually come to agree with them.



And once such relationships got legalized and forced on our society by a
handful of elitist judges, then the hetero-incest movement would begin.
After all, with reliable birth control and "free" abortion on demand,
those couples wouldn't necessarily produce children, either! And it's
discriminatory not to let them love who they want to love, see?
They're being discriminated against because they're heterosexual!

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 01:41 AM (3yCFy)

448 There's only one thing more hated than a one-issue zealot, and that's a
one-issue zealot that says, "I have a court case, so....in your face,
suckas!"
-------------------

AY. FREAKING. MEN.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:43 AM (oS2lG)

449 >>>Did you know you have a gene that tells you not to
bite off your own fingers and eat them?

No I wasn't aware, But I was aware that the nerves in my fingers have strong opinions about being bitten.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose Troll Hunter! at May 15, 2012 01:43 AM (wy+PT)

450 (or post tits)

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 01:41 AM (2TqDD)

I can do that.

Here's two great tits for ya.

http://tinyurl.com/7k8aeed

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 01:44 AM (4ixH5)

451 #450: Ooh, very nice!

I was expecting Obama and Biden.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 01:48 AM (3yCFy)

452 I was expecting Obama and Biden.


Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 01:48 AM (3yCFy)


As a wild coincidence, that's exactly what their names are!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 01:51 AM (kaalw)

453 Somewhere in between the wrong and right, we fight,

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 01:52 AM (fHyXI)

454 Yes, lefties do corrupt everything. So, if gay marriage becomes

the law of the land, it's just a matter of time before incest becomes

normalized.
-----------------

I reject the slippery slope argument for all kinds of reasons. Corrupting lefties shouldn't be allowed to ruin things for people with legitimate causes.

My grandma was ridiculously restricted in her young adult life by laws that kept women from owning property, getting credit, etc. And Christ almighty, the way rape victims used to be forced to sit there on a witness stand describing every act of intercourse they'd ever had. The fact that feminazis are insane man-haters doesn't mean those other laws and practices weren't unjust.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:53 AM (oS2lG)

455 Olympia Snowe is a corrupt pig that sold out the entire country with Obamacare. Now she slinks off to the riches she garnered for her husband and children while turning her back on the damage done.

Posted by: pat at May 15, 2012 01:54 AM (UFxap)

456 #443

You bring up an old issue there. Genetics are a double-edged sword. If you can justify something by finding a gene that directly causes it, that gene can be tested for in vitro. Remember all those libs who thought Sarah Palin was horrible for not aborting her most recent child when testing showed it had a severe defect?

What happens when it becomes possible to test for a genetic propensity towards homosexuality? Does the gay community suddenly become militantly pro-life when they realize extinction is at hand? What about post-natal treatments that do what the religious cure organizations can only dream of?

This girl Pandora would like to show you this box. Thanks to genetic intervention therapy you now have an all new interest in a girl and her box.

The auto-cannibalism genetic defect currently has no test because it is very rare and the money just isn't there. But the cost of developing and administering such tests is dropping quite rapidly. The range of things the average person will know about their personal genome in twenty years will lead to unguessable societal shock waves. Our current understanding of ourselves is still pretty crude. But the time and cost to do a complete genetic assay of any person is well on its way to being affordable to anyone with a middle-class earnings level. It's just a matter of time before it becomes a requirement to get medical coverage.

Chances are there will be a mechanism for homosexuality found. It will be very different in males than females. That much has been determined already.

But when it goes from a strongly held belief to demonstrable fact, will those who've long supported the idea be happy about it?

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 01:54 AM (kcfmt)

457 Google 'I'm on a boat' and look for the Old Spice ad. Hilarious.


Posted by: Gern Blandsden
--------------------

This wouldn't be some "tubgirl" trap would it?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:54 AM (oS2lG)

458 There's only one thing more hated than a one-issue zealot, and that's a
one-issue zealot that says, "I have a court case, so....in your face,
suckas!"

----

The clip of the San Francisco mayor nastily gloating "Whether you like it or not!" after the court's ruling for gay marriage in California was so offputting, I suspect that had as much to do with the "unexpected" results on Prop 8 as anything else.

Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 01:55 AM (AyryN)

459 >>Maybe people just need some laffs.


Obama makes me laff. Because is a FUCKING DickHead.

The 2012 election will not be a referendum on gay marriage – any more than on abortion, illegal immigration or the price of gas at the pump. Like most, I expect the election to hinge on the economy. But, beyond dedicated constituencies which do care about such seeming inconsequentials as the value of human life and the family, the president’s embrace of homosexual marriage is another piece of a Twilight Zone mosaic.

Choosing a president often comes down to which candidate falls within voters’ comfort zone – which is why the electorate picked painfully inarticulate George W. Bush over smug smart-ass Al Gore in 2000.

How comfortable will Americans be voting for a man who says there’s nothing special about America, America isn’t a Christian nation, Moslems should be able to build a mosque near the ruins of the World Trade Center, the goal of tax policy is to “spread the wealth,” and if he had a son, he’d look like Trayvon Martin?

Posted by: sickinmass at May 15, 2012 01:55 AM (bcNec)

460 I don't care whether anyone accepts teh gheys or not, and I agree the state no longer has any role in giving marriage an official imprimatur. However, heterosexual marriage as a sacred institution died long ago, and when it's strongest defenders (or at least loudest and most prominent) are serial divorcers, adulterers, and cheaters, then the rationale you're pretty much left with is: I hate faggots. If gay marriage does nothing else than bring two gay people into tax Hell then something good has been accomplished.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 01:56 AM (eL1cu)

461 451 #450: Ooh, very nice!I was expecting Obama and Biden.

Wouldn't those be asses?

Posted by: freindly neighborhood TSA agent at May 15, 2012 01:56 AM (kPe9l)

462 Reject the "slippery slope" all you want, but communists call it incrementalism, and it is a tactic that they use.

And Lenin once stated that he wanted sex to be an act of no more significance than drinking a glass of water.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 01:56 AM (3yCFy)

463 #454

Women owe far more of their modern freedom to technology than they do to leftism. Don't give credit to those who don't deserve it.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 01:58 AM (kcfmt)

464 457, no its actually really funny. Only a 30 sec ad. Funny tho.

Posted by: Gern Blandsden at May 15, 2012 01:59 AM (4qU0l)

465 I'm on a horse... LMAO.

Posted by: Gern Blandsden at May 15, 2012 02:00 AM (4qU0l)

466 I don't hate faggots. Bundles of sticks are very useful.

Posted by: navybrat at May 15, 2012 02:03 AM (vtXM/)

467 Needs more laughs...

Michelle Goldberg, lefty dimwit not related to Jonah, proves once again she needs to learn to keep her trap shut.

http://tinyurl.com/7lsp6bk

Plenty of smart lefties out there. Michelle Goldberg is not one of them.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:03 AM (4ixH5)

468 Actually, there are a surprising number of teh gheys who are anti-abortion precisely because they realize what's coming down the technology highway. We probably can already use proxy tests for various hormone levels, etc., and have a high % of abortions of babies who would probably grow up gay.

That leads me to another question: who here thinks homosexuality is a choice (and I don't mean intercourse, I mean pure sexual attraction to the same gender)?

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 02:04 AM (eL1cu)

469 460 I don't care whether anyone accepts teh gheys or not, and I agree the state no longer has any role in giving marriage an official imprimatur. However, heterosexual marriage as a sacred institution died long ago, and when it's strongest defenders (or at least loudest and most prominent) are serial divorcers, adulterers, and cheaters, then the rationale you're pretty much left with is: I hate faggots. If gay marriage does nothing else than bring two gay people into tax Hell then something good has been accomplished.
Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 01:56 AM (eL1cu)

Not true, people get married and stay that way for life. My parents were married 49 years. My dad died or they would have made it to 50. People do get married and live their lives together, we just hear about the ones that dont.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 02:05 AM (fHyXI)

470 come on Amazon, finally stock the 670 DCUII....please?

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 02:05 AM (tw6Ar)

471 I reject the slippery slope argument for all kinds
of reasons. Corrupting lefties shouldn't be allowed to ruin things for
people with legitimate causes.

My grandma was ridiculously
restricted in her young adult life by laws that kept women from owning
property, getting credit, etc. And Christ almighty, the way rape victims
used to be forced to sit there on a witness stand describing every act
of intercourse they'd ever had. The fact that feminazis are insane
man-haters doesn't mean those other laws and practices weren't unjust.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 01:53 AM (oS2lG)



Just like Bastiat's takedown of broken windows, the slippery slope argues the seen against the unseen. When talking about lefties ruining good causes, the unspoken question is "why should it matter?" Lefties wouldn't be so bad if they weren't also Statists. If they approved or disapproved of granola or armpit hair, you could pass it off as a fashion choice.....but they inevitably want it to become public policy, enforceable by the police power of the all-pervasive State.

There's a lot about the left that I could enjoy -- tie-dye is fun, I try to find creative ways to reuse and recycle, Whole Foods is a blast -- but Lefties in government take Kant's Categorical Imperative entirely way too seriously. Not only would they act as if, by their action, their decision could become universal law.......they expect it. Even when they're completely deluded. So happy, fun lefties wearing tie-dye and dancing aimlessly at Dead concerts become empowered Statist lefties banning shopping bags, light bulbs, and any non-unicorn forms of energy....that's the real "slippery-slope".

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:05 AM (kaalw)

472 Even if marriage was considered no more than a voluntary social contract, one could still forbid incestuous marriage by the expedient of saying that such kinship has an innate and prexisting social structure which cannot be exchanged for a voluntary one of marriage.

But it's hard to have slopes retain their traction when someone's always eager to pour oil on them for their own purposes.


Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 02:06 AM (AyryN)

473 Wow, the anti-socons really come out to play here late at night.

Just remember this: when the family fails, as all other intermediary institutions have been neutralized, the only thing left is the state.

Libertarianism and liberalism both tell the same lie: that we're naked individuals, each against all. The problem is: neither philosophy takes into account the most fundamental human facts, namely, the procreation and raising of children. Without the natural family, the unnatural family of the state will have to take over.

In other words, weakened families = huge increase in statism.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:06 AM (AupmY)

474 Libertarianism and liberalism both tell the same lie: that we're naked individuals, each against all.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:06 AM (AupmY)

Aaaaiiiiyyyeeeeee!!!!!!!

Posted by: Straw Man on fire at May 15, 2012 02:10 AM (4ixH5)

475 #468: I think it is a choice. It's a subconscious choice in most cases, but a choice nonetheless.

Tammy Bruce was bisexual for a long time, but when she found herself in the early stages of becoming a professional pundit, she felt that she wouldn't be taken seriously like that. She had to pick an orientation and stick with it. She decided to be a full-on lesbian, and she is no longer attracted to men.

And the Spartans specifically raised all their men to be gay. When the time came for them to get married (to a woman!), their brides had shaved heads and wore men's clothes at the wedding in order to ease them into heterosexuality.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 02:11 AM (3yCFy)

476 heh Michelle Goldberg is an idiot. My favorite moment involving her was when for some reason she agreed to do a BloggingHeads with Byron York. He owned that moonbat. I almost felt sorry for her commie ass.

The whole forced childbirth comment she always uses...must really fear it.

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 02:11 AM (2TqDD)

477 467
Needs more laughs...

Michelle Goldberg, lefty dimwit not related to Jonah, proves once again she needs to learn to keep her trap shut.

http://tinyurl.com/7lsp6bk

Plenty of smart lefties out there. Michelle Goldberg is not one of them.



Thanks for bring that up. It just shows the fundamental ignorance of pundits like Goldberg. The "crown of motherhood" was a quite common phrase in 19/c discourse, particularly religious discourse.

It just shows how far we've fallen that all Goldberg can hear in that phrase is totalitarianism.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:12 AM (AupmY)

478
Chances are there will be a mechanism for
homosexuality found. It will be very different in males than females.
That much has been determined already.

But when it goes from a strongly held belief to demonstrable fact, will those who've long supported the idea be happy about it?


Posted by: epobirs
--------------------

We've gone down a few of those paths with things like lobotomy and shock treatment. Before we realize what the hell we're doing with these next advances, we'll probably do some real inhumane shit and parents in China and India will have their kids re-wired for math or music and girls in Egypt will be wired for compliant behavior. I bet quite a few gays or would-be gays will be re-wired by their parents. What would you think of that?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:13 AM (oS2lG)

479 Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 02:11 AM (2TqDD)

I never saw that one, but I did see parts of one she did with Ann Althouse. Althouse, no right-winger mind you, slapped her around like Mike Tyson beating a retarded eight year old.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:14 AM (4ixH5)

480 Just remember this: when the family fails, as all other intermediary
institutions have been neutralized, the only thing left is the state.
-----------------

You're not telling me anything I don't know.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:15 AM (oS2lG)

481 There's a lot about the left that I could enjoy --
tie-dye is fun, I try to find creative ways to reuse and recycle, Whole
Foods is a blast -- but Lefties in government....


Posted by: cthulhu

A Republican started (or at least gave a big boost to) the modern American conservation of natural resources ethos while most communist countries were ecological disasters, so yeah. On the small scale, a lot of what goes on on the Left is actually small-c conservatism. On the big scale, it's totalitarianism. (Actually, communism is pure laissez-faire capitalism. How's that, you ask? Easy. They won and took your money.)

"Just remember this: when the family fails, as all other intermediary
institutions have been neutralized, the only thing left is the state."

Just as long as the concept of family excludes teh gheys, right? Why force a group of people who generally tend to have higher-than-average rates of education and income to hate most social norms because they are excluded from them?

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 02:16 AM (eL1cu)

482 I think Mormons are pretty awesome, even though I can't be one due to my choice to drink and smoke.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 02:17 AM (3yCFy)

483 460
I don't care whether anyone accepts teh gheys or not, and I agree the
state no longer has any role in giving marriage an official imprimatur.
However, heterosexual marriage as a sacred institution died long ago,
and when it's strongest defenders (or at least loudest and most
prominent) are serial divorcers, adulterers, and cheaters, then the
rationale you're pretty much left with is: I hate faggots. If gay
marriage does nothing else than bring two gay people into tax Hell then
something good has been accomplished.


Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 01:56 AM (eL1cu)


@408:


And, yet, any time I say we shouldn't complicate marriage by
including gays without fixing it first by changing the laws, I get a
bunch of pushback saying I'm an "anti-gay h8er" while not addressing my
point.......grrrrrrrrrrr.....


Seriously, "I hate faggots"? There are legalistic, traditional, religious, skeptical, traditional, "ain't broke, don't fix", child-centered, and societal reasons to think that hijacking the word "marriage" might be a bad idea....why jump to that?

.....and, just to pull back the curtain a bit -- I'm in a hetero relationship that we're not calling marriage because the laws don't work right....and my "sister-in-law" is "married" to her female partner during one of the on-again-off-again California marriage fiascos -- love 'em both dearly, hope for many happy years together. The State has completely fucked up the whole fucking subject.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:18 AM (kaalw)

484 Night all. Strange ont. Thanks Robert for trying to lighten it up..God Bless Ya'll.

Posted by: lous a girl at May 15, 2012 02:19 AM (fHyXI)

485 Even if we arrive at the perfect just conclusion that everyone could agree on, it wouldn't satisfy the progressives for long. They love the sensation of pushing
boundaries -- no matter where the boundaries are, they always will scream
"Further!" (or as Obama's campaign would say, "Forward"). And they'll MAKE all slopes slippery so they can have the fun of sliding down them crying "Weeeeeeeeeeee!"

Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 02:20 AM (AyryN)

486 480
You're not telling me anything I don't know.



Then why so blasé about the destruction of the natural family by the legal recognition of sodomitic pseudogamy?

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:20 AM (AupmY)

487 Lefties wouldn't be so bad if they weren't also Statists.
-------------------

Yup.

SFGoth, to your question, I don't think homosexual attraction is a "choice" any more than heterosexuality is.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:21 AM (oS2lG)

488 We've gone down a few of those paths with things
like lobotomy and shock treatment. Before we realize what the hell we're
doing with these next advances, we'll probably do some real inhumane
shit and parents in China and India will have their kids re-wired for
math or music and girls in Egypt will be wired for compliant behavior. I
bet quite a few gays or would-be gays will be re-wired by their
parents. What would you think of that?


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:13 AM (oS2lG)



Wait, wait -- isn't that a "slippery-slope" argument?!??!?

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:22 AM (kaalw)

489 Then why so blasé about the destruction of the natural family by the legal recognition of sodomitic pseudogamy?


Posted by: Leo Ladenson
-------------------

Because I don't think the natural family will be destroyed if a statistically insignificant percent of the population formalizes relationships that have been existing for thousands of years.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:26 AM (oS2lG)

490 Epobirs @456, excellent.

Posted by: Jean at May 15, 2012 02:26 AM (duqON)

491 Good night, Lou!

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:27 AM (4ixH5)

492 If marriage is so sacred, adultery should be a capital felony. Divorce? What's that?

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 02:27 AM (eL1cu)

493 481
Just
as long as the concept of family excludes teh gheys, right? Why force a
group of people who generally tend to have higher-than-average rates of
education and income to hate most social norms because they are
excluded from them?




Of course, the "concept"of the natural family excludes homosexuals: same-sex homosexuals simply cannot form a natural family.

And you really think homosexuals hate most social norms because they are "excluded from them"? It's more obviously the case that they hate the social norms and therefore exclude themselves.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:27 AM (AupmY)

494 SFGoth, to your question, I don't think homosexual attraction is a "choice" any more than heterosexuality is.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:21 AM (oS2lG)

Actually, I've never felt more homosexual attraction than a few moments seeing Donatello's David in the Bargello when I was 15 [I'm almost 50 now].....it's a "choice", but there are pretty powerful steering mechanisms involved.



Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:28 AM (kaalw)

495 You got to admit, though, Gay Divorce Court could be a real guilty pleasure of a bitchfest to watch...

Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 02:30 AM (AyryN)

496 Wait, wait -- isn't that a "slippery-slope" argument?!??!?


Posted by: cthulhu
-----------------

I'm just applying my 10% more cynicism and considering how things have always gone and projecting how they'll probably go. I'm not proposing restraints.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:30 AM (oS2lG)

497 489
Because I
don't think the natural family will be destroyed if a statistically
insignificant percent of the population formalizes relationships that
have been existing for thousands of years.



Then you're missing the point entirely. That's the complete redefinition of marriage from the life-long union of the sexually complementary for the procreation and raising of children to a vague social compact between two adult persons for as long as they're feeling it. It changes the legal meaning of my marriage and everyone else's real marriage.

I will agree that no-fault divorce and contraception and a host of other modern evils have tended to debase marriage, but SSM is the nails in the coffin.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:32 AM (AupmY)

498 Of course, the "concept"of the natural family excludes homosexuals: same-sex homosexuals simply cannot form a natural family.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:27 AM (AupmY)


Question, think of a heterosexual couple with a gay offspring. Is gay offspring included in or excluded from said family?

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:33 AM (4ixH5)

499
Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:28 AM (kaalw)

I You justgave me a great idea. A sort of pornolized Night At The Museum with David screwing the Venus Di Milo so hard he tears her arms off.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:35 AM (4ixH5)

500 495
You got to admit, though, Gay Divorce Court could be a real guilty pleasure of a bitchfest to watch...


Posted by: sistrum

You have no idea. Years ago I was walking home from the gym on a Friday evening, smoking a bowl. Two squad cars blaze (errr, NPI) by. Being S.F., I pay no mind. Get to the top of the hill and exhale. The cops are breaking up a lesbian domestic disturbance (and it was not a slapfest; they were punching). Ironically, the Castro is predominantly male gay and teh male gheys largely hate the lesbians. The lesbians don't much care. The professional lesbians are pretty practical people.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 02:35 AM (eL1cu)

501 If marriage is so sacred, adultery should be a capital felony.


Papa loved Mama,
Mama loved men,
Mama's in the graveyard and Papa's in the pen...

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 02:37 AM (uqZVH)

502 #498: He's part of a natural family while growing up, but he can't form a natural family of his own when he's an adult unless there's a woman involved.

And if he's an only child, and never has a child of his own, that's the end of his bloodline. This, I think, is the real reason fathers often have trouble accepting gay offspring. It's natural to want your bloodline to continue.

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 02:38 AM (3yCFy)

503 Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 02:37 AM (uqZVH)


How was the trip to Home Depot? Got out in one piece?

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:38 AM (4ixH5)

504 Actually, I've never felt more homosexual attraction
than a few moments seeing Donatello's David in the Bargello when I was
15 [I'm almost 50 now].....it's a "choice", but there are pretty
powerful steering mechanisms involved.





Posted by: cthulhu
-----------------

HAha! I don't feel attraction for the likes of Angelina Jolie -- I feel jealous.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:39 AM (oS2lG)

505 I'd swear the mannikins on the 9th floor were talking while no one was looking ...

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 02:40 AM (uqZVH)

506 492
If marriage is so sacred, adultery should be a capital felony. Divorce? What's that?



Oh, I agree with that in principle. Adultery was still a crime in many states until very recently. I remember during the Clinton impeachment everyone saying that Bubba hadn't broken any laws. But in fact adultery was still a (minor) criminal offense in the District of Columbia at the time.

And as for divorce, yes, I would limit it as severely as possible. I agree with Chesterton that divorce is a kind of "superstition": you either have traditional marriage or you have free love, but the equivocal, compromised, mushy middle ground of divorce simply makes no sense.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:40 AM (AupmY)

507 I'd swear the mannikins on the 9th floor were talking while no one was looking ...

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 02:40 AM (uqZVH)

But there is no 9th floor!

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:41 AM (4ixH5)

508 Just to toss out another random thought....there's that concept of "normal".

In the 1950's, when you were dealing with a kid who fell down at recess in elementary school, the officials would ask, "who's your mom?" so that they could call her at home. Today, that would be laughable -- and possibly give rise to legal liability if a stay-at-home dad could have assisted with a medical emergency.

What sort of practices would become more complicated, and what costs increased, if a "spouse" could not be assumed to be the opposite sex? Is it worth 95 deaths while looking for a "Mr. Smith" to have a "Ms. Smith" married to Jane Smith?

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:41 AM (kaalw)

509 Ok folks, the princess is curled up on the bed, meaning time for me to brush up and say goodnight.

Posted by: SFGoth at May 15, 2012 02:43 AM (eL1cu)

510 Good night, SF!

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 02:43 AM (3yCFy)

511 Good night, Goth!

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:43 AM (4ixH5)

512 I'd better hit the sack, myself. Good night, all!

Posted by: Genetic Tunder at May 15, 2012 02:44 AM (3yCFy)

513 512
I'd better hit the sack, myself.



Sounds painful.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:45 AM (AupmY)

514 Good night, SF Goth, Genetic Thunder, whispering mannikins on the 9th floor ...

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 02:46 AM (uqZVH)

515 Good night, GT!

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 02:47 AM (4ixH5)

516 the complete redefinition of marriage from the
life-long union of the sexually complementary for the procreation and
raising of children to a vague social compact between two adult persons
for as long as they're feeling it. It changes the legal meaning of my
marriage and everyone else's real marriage.

I will agree that
no-fault divorce and contraception and a host of other modern evils have
tended to debase marriage, but SSM is the nails in the coffin.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson
-------------------

Well, we already had the discussion about older couples past their child-bearing years marrying, but don't forget to include them in the forces of destruction, okay?

I stand by my argument about sheer numbers. What's the divorce rate nowadays? About 50%? There's the death of your institution. SSM isn't the nail in the coffin, it's just a little glitter sprinkled on top.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:48 AM (oS2lG)

517 fuck I wish I went out and bought Diablo

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 02:49 AM (tw6Ar)

518 Polygamy has a long history in all of our cultures (and is still legal in Judaism). If anyone wants to expand and eventually pervert the concept of marriage, then you have no excuse to force the inclusion of polygamy FIRST and then move on communal marriages and then, finally, to the outer bounds of some notion of gay "marriage".

But no one wants to do that, for obvious reasons. They rather sneak it in the other way around. That's underhanded and dishonest. Equal Protection arguments apply far more to polygamy than gay "marriage". And Equal Protection arguments for added benefits apply more to single individuals than gay couples. Single individuals should be given the same exact benefits to disburse among whom they see fit (or keep them for themselves, if they prefer).

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 02:53 AM (X3lox)

519 #478

It scarcely matters what I think about it. But would-be gays? I think you mean something more like 'probable gays' depending on how the mechanism is found to operate. Genes vary in the way they express. Many require external interactions to produce an effect. (Somebody who carries a genetic level allergy may never know if the allergen is never encountered. Societies that wouldn't dream of drinking animal milk don't give much thought to lactose intolerance, unless they're nursing into middle-age.)

The phrase you use suggest more someone having themselves rewired to be gay. Again, an old idea in SF circles. Probably the most famous early example is Joe Haldeman's 'The Forever War.' The story moves into the future by large leaps of relativistic interstellar travel. At one point, the protagonist finds himself in the heterosexual minority. Virtually everyone is wired for homosexuality as a population control measure. The AI that runs things offers to rewire the main character to assimilate into his new culture. After some more traveling the troops find themselves the only remaining humans after the species has merged into a single individual. Consequently, almost everyone gets themselves rewired for heterosexuality to colonize a new world for themselves with dependence on artificial procreation technology.

If it can be done, somebody somewhere is doing it. It may be in secret but the info will eventually come out if it proves useful. Take the 'Bug Jack Barron,' scenario. (Norman Spinrad, 1969) The title character is sort of a cross between John Stewart and Rush Limbaugh. A TV host with huge political influence. He becomes sucked into a billionaires scheme for immortality and takes the treatment before finding out it requires murdering children in a slow, excruciating fashion. Now that he has then the treatment he cannot expose the scheme without exposing his own unknowing guilt.

Who knows what some of the ultra-wealthy are up to in secret? If they suddenly announce one day that for about $100,000 you can have an additional fifty years of vigorous life, are we going to demand to know all of the details of the development process and what form the failures took?

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 02:54 AM (kcfmt)

520 Er ... "no excuse NOT to force polygamy back into legal acceptance FIRST ..."

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 02:54 AM (X3lox)

521 And as for divorce, yes, I would limit it as
severely as possible. I agree with Chesterton that divorce is a kind of
"superstition": you either have traditional marriage or you have free
love, but the equivocal, compromised, mushy middle ground of divorce
simply makes no sense.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson
---------------------


I'd go at it another way, and limit marriage as severely as possible. Nigh-unbreakable contracts should be hard to enter.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:54 AM (oS2lG)

522 516
Well, we
already had the discussion about older couples past their child-bearing
years marrying, but don't forget to include them in the forces of
destruction, okay?




Unfortunately, I wasn't here for the earlier conversation or I could have tutored you then.

The law has always looked upon the sexual complementarity of the couple as the surrogate for procreative purpose. Therefore, it hasn't had to inquire further into the health or seniority or intentions of the couple. But it is telling that at common law failure or inability to consummate the marriage by coition was grounds for annulment, i.e., the legal declaration that there was, ab initio, no marriage.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 02:55 AM (AupmY)

523 though I wonder how hard the servers will crash and how long they will be down

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 02:55 AM (tw6Ar)

524 Women owe far more of their modern freedom to
technology than they do to leftism. Don't give credit to those who don't
deserve it.



Posted by: epobirs
----------------

Completely missed my point. I specifically said lefties did NOT liberate women from early injustices, but exploited a legitimate cause.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:56 AM (oS2lG)

525 HAha! I don't feel attraction for the likes of Angelina Jolie -- I feel jealous.


Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 02:39 AM (oS2lG)


It's a very interesting work. Donatello, himself, was reputed to be gayer than the Folsom Street Fair -- but he included a plethora of hetero "buttons" into the sculpture....there are even flowers in its bonnet! So was he attracted to men and sculpted effeminate, or was he hetero and extrapolated to David? Having seen it in life, it is a beautiful piece that grabs attention and entices with intriguing curves.....and, then, for a certain 15-year-old, leaves one wondering exactly why.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:57 AM (kaalw)

526 zee nerds

http://tinyurl.com/7a6zfeg

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 02:57 AM (tw6Ar)

527 Who knows what some of the ultra-wealthy are up
to in secret? If they suddenly announce one day that for about $100,000
you can have an additional fifty years of vigorous life, are we going to
demand to know all of the details of the development process and what
form the failures took?


Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 02:54 AM (kcfmt)


I'll take it now, and spend part of my next 50 years worrying about it.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:00 AM (kaalw)

528 Well, we already had the discussion about older couples past their
child-bearing years marrying, but don't forget to include them in the
forces of destruction, okay?


Why?

Large numbers of older couples who marry past their childbearing years as a couple have, with previous partners, had children and raised families.

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 03:01 AM (uqZVH)

529 526
zee nerds

http://tinyurl.com/7a6zfeg


Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 02:57 AM (tw6Ar)



Which one is you?

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:03 AM (kaalw)

530 it is telling that at common law
failure or inability to consummate the marriage by coition was grounds
for annulment, i.e., the legal declaration that there was, ab initio, no
marriage.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson
-----------------


That was then and this is now. We're in the fight of our life for the institution of marriage. We know perfectly well that people past their child-bearing years are not going to have a family, leaving their union a vague social compact between two adult persons for as long as they're
feeling it, which changes the legal meaning of your marriage and everyone
else's real marriage.

So let's make sure to include them in the forces of destruction.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 03:03 AM (oS2lG)

531 Which one is you?


Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:03 AM (kaalw)

the one wearing a corset over a shirt

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 03:04 AM (tw6Ar)

532 520
Er ... "no excuse NOT to force polygamy back into legal acceptance FIRST ..."


Agree completely. Polygamy has much stronger historical grounds to demand legal acceptance than SSM. The 19/c persecution of polygamists was severe and encoded into our law and politics. Remember the Republican Party was founded on a platform of opposing those "twin relics of barbarism": slavery and polygamy.

There really are no grounds for supporting SSM but opposing polygamy, except perhaps some magical attachment to or numerological fascination with the number 2.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 03:04 AM (AupmY)

533 Large numbers of older couples who marry past their childbearing years as a couple have, with previous partners, had children and raised families.


Posted by: Adriane
--------------------

1 - Their history has nothing to do with their new marriage. I'm seeing the argument here that marriage is for having families, not a vague social compact between two adult persons for as long as they're feeling it.

2 - Large numbers are not all. What would you do with childless serial husbands like Rush Limbaugh?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 03:05 AM (oS2lG)

534 1 - Their history has nothing to do with their new marriage.

Bullshit. I'm a stepmother.

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 03:07 AM (uqZVH)

535 There really are no grounds for supporting SSM but
opposing polygamy, except perhaps some magical attachment to or
numerological fascination with the number 2.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 03:04 AM (AupmY)


Yep. The idea that 2 is only there because we have two distinct sexes is tossed aside but then they develop some odd fascination with the number 2. The concept that 2 is a distinguished number but the sexes are arbitrary is among the most ridiculous arguments I have ever heard.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:07 AM (X3lox)

536
Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:57 AM (kaalw)

David was by Michaelangelo.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:08 AM (4ixH5)

537 530
That was
then and this is now. We're in the fight of our life for the institution
of marriage. We know perfectly well that people past their
child-bearing years are not going to have a family, leaving their union a
vague social compact between two adult persons for as long as they're
feeling it, which changes the legal meaning of your marriage and everyone
else's real marriage.



You've missed the point: the law really has no practical way to police the procreative purposes of marriage except to limit marriage to opposite-sex couples, which is what it has always done.

And I don't know why you think an appeal to the temporal fallacy ("That was then and this is now") strengthens your argument. In fact, it quite undercuts it, when we know that now fertility science has vastly increased the opportunities for older women to become pregnant.

Posted by: Leo Ladenson at May 15, 2012 03:09 AM (AupmY)

538 some magical attachment to or numerological fascination with the number 2.


Posted by: Leo Ladenson
----------------

Why do you diss pair-bonding?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 03:10 AM (oS2lG)

539
http://pussiesonparade.com/cat-imperial-walker-wallpaper/

I expected more with a nic like that.

Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 03:10 AM (VMcEw)

540 1 - Their history has nothing to do with their new marriage. I'm seeing
the argument here that marriage is for having families, not a vague
social compact between two adult persons for as long as they're feeling
it.


You are intentionally confusing general rules that are constructed to delimit some essential concept as accurately as possible (but which allows for some loopholes) with the idea that a rule MUST include nothing but the exact domain, and only that.

Tell me, though, why should polygamy be illegal? It is in our traditions and very natural (ergo the serial marriages) but for some reason it's still illegal. Why?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:11 AM (X3lox)

541 I feel that marriage is 1 man and 1 woman. Period!

Posted by: Lampshade at May 15, 2012 03:12 AM (lkdo/)

542 536


Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:57 AM (kaalw)

David was by Michaelangelo.


Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:08 AM (4ixH5)

That's the more known David (and more known gay icon) but Donatello's has a certain slim-hipped catamite appeal.

Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 03:13 AM (AyryN)

543 536


Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 02:57 AM (kaalw)

David was by Michaelangelo.


Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:08 AM (4ixH5)


I've seen that one, too. The bronze is in the Bargello -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_%28Donatello%29

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:13 AM (kaalw)

544 I expected more with a nic like that.

No one expects the [strike]Spanish[/strike] Hoth Inquisition !!!

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 03:14 AM (uqZVH)

545 Choice can be a tricky word, especially if genetics are involved. Some things are pretty certain. A man and woman both testing positive for Tay-Sachs puts the risk of any child they produce of dying horribly in just a few years at 25%. This is an entirely self-contained death sentence. No known outside elements raise or lower the risk.

Other genes are more slippery. Some oncogenes raise the cancer risk all by themselves while others react to carcinogens and raise the risk of exposure for those carrying the wrong version of the gene.

My own father died of an auto-immune condition that is activated by the common cold. This leads the immune system to attack the pericardium and destroy the heart. As such, victims are not candidates for transplants. I and my siblings all have a 50% percent chance of carrying the gene but no test is currently available commercially. It typically kills within three years of becoming active, regardless of age. My father made it five years and my parents entertained the fantasy that he'd somehow beaten it. But not long after Star Wars opened in LA in 1977 (trying to get in to that was the last time I ever went anywhere with my father) he went into the hospital and died two weeks later.

So this stuff carries a certain fascination for me.

You can carry genes that pretty much guarantee you'll be diabetic. You can have genes that make you more susceptible with the typical diet. You can have genes that make it very unlikely you'll ever have that particular problem no matter how you eat.

Homosexuality probably has a spectrum of genetic probability. But I've never met anyone out of the closet who didn't believe it wasn't always with them. On the female side it seems to be different. I've met women who said with a straight face they were lesbians for political reasons, and they could go either way in terms of seeking pleasure. But it seems a lot of men who claim to be bisexual eventually stop pretending. I had one friend who maintained the pretense for years despite rejecting or ignoring every woman who took interest in him. Eventually everyone told him he was full of crap and just stop pretending. Claiming to be omnisexual in SF fandom was a way of staying in the closet. Especially in the pre-AIDS era when Rocky Horror was hugely popular in those circles.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 03:15 AM (kcfmt)

546 Bullshit. I'm a stepmother.


Posted by: Adriane
-----------------


You are misrepresenting me. Older couples -- whose kids, if they have them, are grown, shall I emphasize? -- who marry are outside this baby-making institution. They're embarking on nothing but a
vague social compact between two adult persons for as long as they're
feeling it, which changes the legal meaning of your marriage and everyone
else's real marriage.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 03:16 AM (oS2lG)

547 lol, people raging on reddit

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 03:17 AM (tw6Ar)

548 #524

I didn't miss your point. I refined it.

The culture has evolved as our knowledge and abilities have grown. To reject the assault of the lefties you have to be clear as to what really drove positive change.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 03:19 AM (kcfmt)

549 That's the more known David (and more known gay icon) but Donatello's has a certain slim-hipped catamite appeal.


Posted by: sistrum at May 15, 2012 03:13 AM (AyryN)


Heh. Like I said, Donatello chose to include "hot-button" hetero iconography on a male nude. I haven't encountered any male humans that are as attractive as the sculpture.....and almost any female humans are quite a bit more interesting.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:19 AM (kaalw)

550 Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:13 AM (kaalw)

Huh. There's another David by Donatello.

And by the looks of it he has man-boobs.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:21 AM (4ixH5)

551 Can someone try to give me ONE reason why polygamy should NOT be legalized before the concept of gay marriage is introduced? Just one. I'd wager there are more potential polygamists than gays (again, reference serial monogamy where people might well prefer to collect partners rather than be forced to exchange).

Just one reason.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:24 AM (X3lox)

552 550
Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:13 AM (kaalw)



Huh. There's another David by Donatello.



And by the looks of it he has man-boobs.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:21 AM (4ixH5)


There are two Donatello Davids. The marble one is unexceptional, where the bronze one is quite striking in person.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:25 AM (kaalw)

553 One big problem with the demand for gay marriage is the presumption that marriage is an expression of love. It isn't. It only became regarded as such very recently in the scope of human history. Modern popular fiction has clouded the issue. The misperception is also why divorce went through the roof in recent decades. People developed very unrealistic ideas of how their lives were supposed to play out.

If two men want to publicly declare their lover for each other they can buy some ad time on their local TV station. Or make a Facebook page. Marriage is an entirely different sort of declaration.


Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 03:26 AM (kcfmt)

554 #551

None comes to mind. The only thing law should concern itself with is property and the protection of minors.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 03:27 AM (kcfmt)

555
http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=133223

Pics tell the story.

Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 03:28 AM (VMcEw)

556 551
Can someone try to give me ONE reason why polygamy should NOT be
legalized before the concept of gay marriage is introduced? Just one.
I'd wager there are more potential polygamists than gays (again,
reference serial monogamy where people might well prefer to collect
partners rather than be forced to exchange).

Just one reason.


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:24 AM (X3lox)


Going back to @471 -- why should it matter to the government? What rights or restrictions should the government impose that would be informed by a way of living coupled with a rite?

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:28 AM (kaalw)

557 >>Just one reason.

So many heads would explode that it would look like a Holocaust.




Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 03:31 AM (VMcEw)

558 And I don't know why you think an appeal to the temporal fallacy etc. old women having babies
-----------------

Because of this:
>>The law has always looked upon the sexual complementarity of the couple
as the surrogate for procreative purpose. Therefore, it hasn't had to
inquire further into the health or seniority or intentions of the
couple.

In the old days I suppose the law could wink at this surrogacy and let the old folks marry as free-riders, but we are in new and threatening times. New technology that allows women to have kids late in life is beside the
point. We're talking about people who marry with no intention of having kids, whether because they're too old or they're not inclined.

Now, what good is a surrogate for procreative purpose? Either you get the job done or you don't. Moreover, there are some young people, like Rush Limbaugh and any number of lefty Lotharios, who have no intention of having kids at the time they marry. I vote they're all -- including the old ones -- callously taking advantage of the law in order to enter a vague social compact between two adult persons for as long as they're feeling it, which changes the legal meaning of your marriage and everyone else's real marriage.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 03:33 AM (oS2lG)

559 Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 03:27 AM (kcfmt)
Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:28 AM (kaalw)


The concept of marriage does matter to the government (the federal government, even) because we value the concept of family enough to base our immigration laws very heavily on it, in addition to other issues which are not trivial and are given a default status by the government in the case that particular paperwork was never done.

And even if one goes to the lower standard of just having the government certify civil unions, there's no reason that polygamists aren't entitled to civil union protections even moreso than gay couples.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:36 AM (X3lox)

560 what really drove positive change.


Posted by: epobirs
----------------

I'm curious what you think initiated the liberation of women like my grandma from laws that prevented her from owning property and obtaining credit, even when she was better qualified than men of her day. "Technology," all by itself, undriven by any human?

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 03:40 AM (oS2lG)

561
Just one reason.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:24 AM (X3lox)

Human beings by nature pursue monogamous relationships, marriage contracts are contracts of exclusivity and polygamy is in practice a form of sexual slavery.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:41 AM (4ixH5)

562 The concept of marriage does matter to the
government (the federal government, even) because we value the concept
of family enough to base our immigration laws very heavily on it, in
addition to other issues which are not trivial and are given a default
status by the government in the case that particular paperwork was never
done.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:36 AM (X3lox)



Maybe that's the problem.

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:42 AM (kaalw)

563 polygamy is in practice a form of sexual slavery.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:41 AM (4ixH5)


Yeah. That's the usual argument. That was the argument that Texas gave for stomping all over the rights of the polygamists in their compound ... based on what they knew was a false accusation. Everyone knows that is bullshit.

"in practice". What does that even mean? People can't be trusted to enter into consensual polygamous marriages? They shouldn't be given the right to choose because YOU think they will be abused? Is that your final answer?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:46 AM (X3lox)

564 Maybe that's the problem.


Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:42 AM (kaalw)


I would disagree. The biological family is the building block of society.

But, if someone wants to change the definition of marriage, then they had better change the immigration laws and all the other family-based laws, first.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:49 AM (X3lox)

565 Repost from earlier thread:

So it all boils down to this...I get to vote for same sex marriage or marriage to multiple women....Voting for multiple women.

Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 03:51 AM (VMcEw)

566 And they would still have no right nor reason to force others to accept their new definitions - religious orgs, adoption agencies, clubs, workers, etc.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:51 AM (X3lox)

567 One big problem with the demand for gay marriage is the presumption that
marriage is an expression of love. It isn't. It only became regarded as
such very recently in the scope of human history. Modern popular
fiction has clouded the issue.
--------------------

Well, now you're talking -- almost. Ancient literature is packed with the familiar distinction between romance and marriage. Silly-ass notions of undying love and the stars above and pick up a glove etc. are all over classical mythology.

Nowadays we divorce like mad, but societies have always had "escapes." I can't remember where I read the statistic, but the number of prostitutes in Victorian London was astronomical. Married men simply screwed around. That's one example.

I'll grant, however, that we think less of marriage and family now, which is not a healthy thing, and we are not encouraged to adjust as the magic fades.

Posted by: the new, improved arhooley -- now with 10% more cynicism! at May 15, 2012 03:52 AM (oS2lG)

568 But, if someone wants to change the definition of
marriage, then they had better change the immigration laws and all the
other family-based laws, first.


Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:49 AM (X3lox)


@408

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 03:53 AM (kaalw)

569 That was the argument that Texas gave for stomping all over the rights of the polygamists in their compound ...

Actually it wasn't. The argument was that all accusations of child abuse must be investigated ...

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 03:53 AM (uqZVH)

570 Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:46 AM (X3lox)


Are you even arguing anything at this point?


You asked for one argument, I gave you three.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:55 AM (4ixH5)

571 Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 03:51 AM (VMcEw)


I imagine some women might start to like the idea of having a bunch of husbands, too. And there are women who can get a bunch pretty easily if they wanted.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:55 AM (X3lox)

572 Actually it wasn't. The argument was that all accusations of child abuse must be investigated ...


Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 03:53 AM (uqZVH)

Dammit, Adriane, stop bringing facts into this.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:56 AM (4ixH5)

573 Actually it wasn't. The argument was that all accusations of child abuse must be investigated ...


Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 03:53 AM (uqZVH)


They knew the phone call was a fake before they started that whole travesty where they removed every kid, threw the whole bunch into one hearing (which was unique, as I understood it) and basically stomped all over any rights based on the idea that "polygamists are abusers - of women and children". It was bullshit. Everyone knew it. It was a travesty what they did.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:57 AM (X3lox)

574
Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 03:55 AM (X3lox)

I dunno. Most married women do nothing but complain about cookiing and cleaning for one man, I think they'd about die having to do it for two or three.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:58 AM (4ixH5)

575 They knew the phone call was a fake <>

The police / prosecutor knew there wasn't enough evidence to charge George Zimmerman ... Look where that got them ...

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 04:01 AM (uqZVH)

576 Human beings by nature pursue monogamous
relationships,


Bullshit. This is just opinion with no basis in history. Men pursue as many wives as they can get, if left to their own. Not every guy, but if you offer a guy 500 wives, chances are he'll take them.

marriage contracts are contracts of exclusivity

Huh? Polygamy is exclusive within the group. You have no point, here.

and
polygamy is in practice a form of sexual slavery.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 03:41 AM (4ixH5)


I answered this before because it was the usual argument offered and shows how people will go out of their way to try and find reasons why polygamy should be illegal. It doesn't hold water.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 04:02 AM (X3lox)

577 Hey, Kids.

I chopped the carrots. But I did not chew the celery.

Posted by: jc at May 15, 2012 04:03 AM (ufJKx)

578 But when you start out of town,
you're gonna chew,
you're gonna chew,
that celery down !!!

Posted by: Vegetarian Bob Marley at May 15, 2012 04:05 AM (uqZVH)

579 #559

That use for immigration is just an update of the former structure tied to indentured servitude. There had to be somebody on the receiving end to take responsibility if the immigrant was a person of independent means.

Sending a young woman across the Atlantic into an arranged marriage was once quite common. (Still is among Pakistanis in the UK and I suspect in the Detroit area.) A lot of our current immigration system is quite archaic.

A concern has always been that the immigrant not be a new addition to the homeless population, becoming part of some gang roving the countryside. One of the requirements used to be that you couldn't get it without a minimum of cash on hand to cover necessities for a certain period. So some people made a business of lending a wad of bills to newcomers who couldn't muster enough. My maternal grandfather dealt with such a person.

He left the Kiev region when he was fourteen and worked his way across Europe for two years before finally catching a ship in France to join his family in the US. It had been decided he was old enough to shift for himself at the time they left. Bringing him would have been too costly, so he had to wait. None of them were near the major port for immigrants by the time he arrived, so he was treated as an individual on his own and had to make the show of means.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 04:06 AM (kcfmt)

580 >>I imagine some women might start to like the idea of having a bunch of
husbands, too. And there are women who can get a bunch pretty easily if
they wanted.

I might have made this connection if the election were between Ann Romney and the Flotus. Mostly the Flotus, I can see that.

Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 04:09 AM (VMcEw)

581
Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 04:06 AM (kcfmt)


If people want to change it then they should. But they have to realize that the definition of marriage has ramifications in those policies. Better to clean those up before pulling the rug out from under a concept they heavily are based on.

You get your place in line based in large part on a family relationship with a citizen. That should be changed before marriage is put through the ringer. (Not that we have any rule of law, anymore, but just in case it ever comes back ...)

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 04:09 AM (X3lox)

582 I answered this before because it was the usual argument offered and
shows how people will go out of their way to try and find reasons why
polygamy should be illegal. It doesn't hold water.


Polygamy should be illegal because it is a statistically very dangerous environment for children.

Polygamy should be illegal because it encourages the detachment of young men from heterosexual marriage.

Polygamy should be illegal because it prevents the attachment of young women to heterosexual marriage.

Robert - if a good quality copy is available, watch Raising the Red Lantern, if you already haven't ...

Posted by: Vegetarian Bob Marley at May 15, 2012 04:11 AM (uqZVH)

583 Sorry, guys, but I'm fading. Cheers to all!

Posted by: cthulhu at May 15, 2012 04:12 AM (kaalw)

584 arg.

When you're too tired to remember to change socks, it's time to go to bed.

Posted by: Adriane at May 15, 2012 04:13 AM (uqZVH)

585 Bullshit. This is just opinion with no basis in history. Men pursue as many wives as they can get, if left to their own. Not every guy, but if you offer a guy 500 wives, chances are he'll take them.

No basis in history, save for the history of marriage and the fact that people pursue romantic relationships to the exclusion of all others.


Huh? Polygamy is exclusive within the group. You have no point, here.


I restate, Marriage is an exclusive contract between two individuals to the exclusion of all other individuals. I'm still trying to figure out if you're arguing anything at all.




I answered this before


No you didn't.


It doesn't hold water.


Because you said so.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 04:14 AM (4ixH5)

586 Posted by: Vegetarian Bob Marley at May 15, 2012 04:11 AM (uqZVH)


That's all fine (not that I agree with all of it) but it defeats the purpose of the exercise, which is to find reasonable arguments against polygamy that allow for gay marriage, at the same time - since I am asking for anti-polygamy arguments from gay marriage proponents.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 04:15 AM (X3lox)

587 Polygamy should be illegal because it is a statistically very dangerous environment for children.

This is true, the kids get run over by the jack boot thugs coming in to break up the party.

Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 04:16 AM (VMcEw)

588
Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 04:14 AM (4ixH5)


You offered opinions, not concrete arguments. What did you expect?

Why do you not trust consenting adults to enter into a polygamous marriage? You don't think they have the right to decide who they love?

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 04:16 AM (X3lox)

589 Good night, Adriane.

Good night, Cooth.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 04:16 AM (4ixH5)

590 I'm going to call it a night as well. I couldn't stand to end up on the top ten list next week, too

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at May 15, 2012 04:18 AM (X3lox)

591 Divorce is also very bad for children. The most dangerous person in the world is often Moms boyfriend

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 04:18 AM (v4K1v)

592 I am out too. Later.

Posted by: sTevo at May 15, 2012 04:19 AM (VMcEw)

593 Whu ...


Everybody left. I know I used deodorant today.

Posted by: jc at May 15, 2012 04:25 AM (ufJKx)

594 jc at May 15, 2012 04:25 AM (ufJKx)



On an empty ONT, no one can hear you scream ...

Posted by: Carrots Incorporated at May 15, 2012 04:28 AM (uqZVH)

595 You offered opinions, not concrete arguments. What did you expect?

I offered concrete arguments, you blew them off. I expect rationality and honesty in return. Instead you've been flippant and disrespectful.



Oh fuck it, there's no point in arguing with lying assholes.

I'm out.

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 04:29 AM (4ixH5)

Posted by: Carrots Incorporated at May 15, 2012 04:29 AM (uqZVH)

597 checking for italics ...

Posted by: Carrots Incorporated at May 15, 2012 04:30 AM (uqZVH)

Posted by: Robert at May 15, 2012 04:30 AM (4ixH5)

599 some good games coming up on GOM this morning......but I'm watching D3 streams.....what to do, what to do

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 04:30 AM (tw6Ar)

600 nice save

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 04:31 AM (2TqDD)

601 Why don't you download D3 Dude?

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 04:31 AM (2TqDD)

602 Carrots are apparently a new grievance group. I guess I shouldn't be surprised.

Posted by: jc at May 15, 2012 04:31 AM (ufJKx)

603 #560

I'll tell you what my grandmother thought was the most revolutionary invention of her lifetime: the motorized washing machine. Keeping up with a large family's laundry was once an immense chore. For people who couldn't afford servants or sending the work out it was a huge change in women's lives.

Technology has always shaped us culturally. Some looking at ancient human history believe it shaped us as a species. The hypothesis is that what we call ADD today was once the human norm. Being too focused was a good way to get eaten. The species lived that way for tens of thousands of years. Far longer than the time since we started making stuff.

As we learned to do a few simple things, acquired knowledge became far more important to success. The ability to focus and learn a new skill quickly became a major asset. Those who couldn't were at a disadvantage, lacking the cool new tools the weird guys were making. Pretty soon those weird guys were better fed and getting more chicks. The species changed and things have moved ever more rapidly since then.

Technology ended slavery. Abolitionists had been a strong and vocal group from before the founding but it was the industrial revolution that made slavery as practiced int he US obsolete. Where slaves were once a major capital investment the shift going toward investing in machinery operated by skilled labor. You couldn't entrust that to a man you'd treated as little more than an animal. Even without the Civil War the US form of slavery could not continue for long without economic disaster for the South. Technology provided a better way and this meant freedom for an oppressed class of people.

The nature of labor and employment changed for men, with vast numbers leaving the farm for factories. It was only a matter of time before it would have the same effect for women. When it became practical for women to take on new roles in society, plenty of men found they liked it. Free women were far more enjoyable wive than drudges. Changes to laws that had once been scorned were now treated as serious ideas.

Consider one of the big memes from WWII: women entering sectors of the blue collars work force were they'd previously been non-existent. This wouldn't have happened in a previous era dependent far more on sheer muscle to get things done. Power tools and other motorized items changed the nature of what roles women could play. It didn't change the preference for what kind of labor the genders were likely to pursue but it showed what new things could be done when circumstances demanded it.

Technology meant a new array of jobs that didn't depend on physical strength and many became dominated by women. Telephone switchboard operators, for example. Interaction with the operator was once quite common and TPC soon found a female voice was much preferred. This sort of thing gave women far more economic power, educational opportunity, and free time for political agitation.

There was no lack of women in 1880 who felt they should have the vote. What they didn't have was the conditions than made men agreeable to the idea. That wouldn't have happened if the world remained technologically frozen. Things change for reasons. Many ideas are quite old before conditions allow them to become realized.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 04:35 AM (kcfmt)

604 Why don't you download D3 Dude?

Posted by: Zakn at May 15, 2012 04:31 AM (2TqDD)

I gots credit at Best Buy, should have gone to the midnight sale but I was lazy

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 04:37 AM (tw6Ar)

605 hell, I was worse than lazy as one of my roommates could have picked up my copy

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 04:38 AM (tw6Ar)

606 #587

It mainly sucks for teenage males. If they aren't the eldest son they are often cast out when they get old enough to be viewed as competition for females. Certain parts of the Southwestern US have a significant number of homeless teenage boys for this reason where in other regions they'd be almost universally runaways.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 04:39 AM (kcfmt)

607 I should call it a night. I need to get over to Chaos Manor tomorrow and help get rid of old excess gear. Make the place navigable again.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 04:42 AM (kcfmt)

608 Technology ended slavery. Abolitionists had been a strong and vocal
group from before the founding but it was the industrial revolution that
made slavery as practiced int he US obsolete.


Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 04:35 AM (kcfmt)




=====


In the sense of open air slave markets, yes -- and based on the standard definitions presently in vogue.


But slavery never really goes away, it just changes forms. All that is required for some form of slavery to re-emerge is the desire to gain more time in one's life by stealing time from someone else.


The slavery party is alive and well and working very hard to return to its roots.

Posted by: jc at May 15, 2012 04:48 AM (ufJKx)

609 #608

Actually, it's worse than that. When labor meant muscle there were practical reasons for slavery, in all its varying forms. (Imagine how different things might have been if we'd adopted the Roman model.)

Those who most want to create slavery today aren't seeking any functional form of labor management. They just want everyone to be under their command out of a pure sense of entitlement. They know what is best for everyone and you fools should be happy to let your betters tell you how to conduct every aspect of your lives.

More evil than the traditional forms of slavery, this is driven by the resentment of independent thought that does not agree with the self-appointed Master.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 05:00 AM (kcfmt)

610 609 They just want everyone to be under their command out of a pure sense of entitlement.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 05:00 AM (kcfmt)


===


'Entitlement' is exactly the word and it is not an accident. A lot of deeds grant someone "the full right, title, and interest" in a piece of property. By using the word 'Entitlement' the pro-slavery forces in our society have argued (successfully to this point) that people have an ownership interest in the lives of other people. What better definition of slavery could there be?

Posted by: jc at May 15, 2012 05:15 AM (ufJKx)

611 come on DRG

Posted by: The Dude at May 15, 2012 05:16 AM (tw6Ar)

612 607 I should call it a night. I need to get over to Chaos Manor tomorrow and help get rid of old excess gear. Make the place navigable again.
Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 04:42 AM (kcfmt)


AAAAAAAHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

I do not believe in excess gear.

Thoughts of the history of the gear in Chaos Manor - I wonder if any of the machines I read about in the early 90s are cluttering the place up?

I have been thinking about "computing nostalgia" lately, fruitlessly cruising craigslist for interesting old machines I shouldn't waste time with - in fact I should sell my G5 Powermac, but I haven't yet...

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 15, 2012 05:27 AM (bxiXv)

613 Most of the really ancient stuff is long gone. My Amiga 500 may be older than anything still there. But the place has an immense clutter problem. to this day Jerry still gets mounds and mounds of gear and books in the mail.

I'm currently proofreading the recovered text for the April 1982 column. This is the debut of the Osborne-1. He took it to Cal Tech for the Voyager II Saturn flyby and made every other writer there immensely jealous. A suitcase sized machine that was really usable for real work was a big, big deal.

Much of the column is a debate over what to get to supplement the aging Ezekial, a Cromemco S-100 system. (Now in the Smithsonian.) Among the candidates is that new IBM PC but the software availability is still a big question mark.

Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 05:44 AM (kcfmt)

614 This is the debut of the Osborne-1. He took it to Cal Tech for the Voyager II Saturn flyby and made every other writer there immensely jealous. A suitcase sized machine that was really usable for real work was a big, big deal.

I saw one *once*. My Dad got a Kaypro in about 1984 for his law practice. It's sitting under my desk now. Still works!

Much of the column is a debate over what to get to supplement the aging Ezekial, a Cromemco S-100 system. (Now in the Smithsonian.) Among the candidates is that new IBM PC but the software availability is still a big question mark.
Posted by: epobirs at May 15, 2012 05:44 AM (kcfmt)


Heh. I had a Cromemco once. Never used it for anything, it was an antique even then. Someone else dropped it off the back of a pickup when I was moving! (O.O).

I sold the Polymorphic Systems Model 88, though. That fetched a pretty penny when I needed it. So I guess I do believe in "excess hardware," a little.

I hope Mr. P. is doing well. If it occurs to you (and you read this), let him know of another fan who immensely enjoyed his columns and later website version of CM. He was even part of the reason I wanted to be a writer, a not-inconsequential part!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 15, 2012 07:09 AM (bxiXv)

615 OMG 4am. Nite nite!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at May 15, 2012 07:09 AM (bxiXv)






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