DOOM!: Unexpectedly

DOOOOM

If you're a Christian, today is Good Friday.

If you were looking for good news in the unemployment report that was released this morning, it's a really, really bad one.

Prayers to kick the economically illiterate dunce we have in the White House to the curb this November are in order. But first, the numbers:

- Non-farm payroll adds: 120,000 (against an expectation of ~200,000)
- U-3 unemployment rate: 8.2%
- Labor force participation rate: 63.8%

American Enterprise Institute econ. blogger @JimPethokoukis calculated that if the labor force participation rate, which measures the size of the workforce (including those looking for work) against the work-aged population, had remained constant with where it was on the day Obama was inaugurated, the U-3 rate would be 10.9%.

In other words, the only reason the rate is as low as 8.2% is that an extraordinary number of people have given up looking for work altogether.

Of course, the Obama administration knows exactly who to blame for this outrage: The Republican-controlled House!

WH Economic Advisor Gene Sperling says House Republican partisanship "has blocked us from having a stronger job market." (@MarkKnoller)

It couldn't possibly have anything to do with an administration that focused like a laser on passing an unconstitutional healthcare law in the midst of the worst economic downturn since the great depression, could it?

Or an administration that shoveled boatloads of borrowed dollars out the door in pursuit of "green jobs" that are proving as mythical as unicorns.

Former White House economic adviser Jared Bernstein gave some advice on running "clean energy" firms in Las Vegas today and admitted that these sorts of ventures don't actually create many jobs.

"When I worked for the administration I was very active in the implementation of the Recovery Act," Bernstein told the Vegas crowd. "And one thing we found about clean energy was that if you build a solar plant you are going to hire a lot of people. If you run a solar plant, it doesn't take a ton of people to run some of these plants. The labor-saving technology around the actual production of clean energy is quite intense. So some of these firms don't employ as many people as you might hope."

Now they tell us.

We have a structural unemployment problem caused by a confluence of factors: consumer and government debt overhang, regulatory uncertainty (or, more precisely, certainty of bad regulations), skills mismatch and others.

Getting rid of Obama in November won't magically solve these problems, but it is an absolutely necessary first step.

By popular demand:

Posted by: Andy at 10:23 AM



Comments

1 Andy brings the DOOM!

Posted by: Tami at April 06, 2012 10:24 AM (X6akg)

2 Doom without a kitty is very doomy indeed.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 06, 2012 10:25 AM (XdlcF)

3 Sweet sweet merciful DOOM!

Posted by: NC Ref at April 06, 2012 10:25 AM (/izg2)

4 It moved

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 10:25 AM (GTbGH)

5 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:27 AM (8y9MW)

6 No offense meant, Andy, but when someone said there was a Doom thread up, I'd hoped Monty had come back to us...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:28 AM (8y9MW)

7 Doom without a kitty is very doomy indeed.

Posted by: Mama AJ at April 06, 2012 10:25 AM (XdlcF)



So true. I need a new kitty image to wipe away Monty's sad black kitty walking away down the railroad track.

Posted by: Tami at April 06, 2012 10:28 AM (X6akg)

8 President Obama suggested this evening that the Republican governing agenda will lead to "poisoning our kids" with pollution.

"I believe that it is part of our solemn responsibility to future generations that we look after this planet; that we make sure our air is clean and our water is clean; that we’re not poisoning our kids," Obama said at a campaign fundraiser tonight. That credo came as he explained that "the contrast between visions in this election could not be more stark, because I believe that America is stronger when we’re looking for one another."

Obama's line evokes his Associated Press speech this week, when he said Republicans believe that if the government "let businesses pollute more and treat workers and consumers with impunity, that somehow we’d all be better off."

Mitt Romney, at his Associated Press luncheon speech, dismissed Obama's "rhetorical excess."

Bringing us together again hay obama. Nasty prick. nasty nasty Nasty

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 06, 2012 10:28 AM (i6RpT)

9 I've missed that crazy DOOM logo. Thanks.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 10:29 AM (P6QsQ)

10 Labor force participation rate: 63.8%

Ladies and gentlemen, I present to you a 36.2% Unemployment Rate.

Think about it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:29 AM (8y9MW)

11 You think you're facing Doom?

Posted by: Jesus on Good Friday at April 06, 2012 10:29 AM (OhYCU)

12 Communist News Money reports that the labor pool shrank due to "white women leaving the workforce."

I work in HR for manufacturing--we are dying to get people to work for us, but the caveat is that they have to come in as temps. I've been telling my production guys that our company's restrictions on hiring permanent employees will be lifted once the Supremes vote down health care. There will be a floodgate opening in June, and a tsunami of job growth on November 7.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 06, 2012 10:30 AM (Ec6wH)

13
Its an Easter miracle!

Posted by: RayJ at April 06, 2012 10:30 AM (pI/IV)

14 Bringing us together again hay obama. Nasty prick. nasty nasty Nasty

Indeed. He is the first president upon whom I actively wish ass cancer. Not even Carter got that distinction while in office.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 10:30 AM (GTbGH)

15 A former CIA officer was indicted Thursday on charges
of leaking secrets to journalists, including the name of a covert agent
and the role of another CIA employee in classified operations.

John Kiriakou, who had previously revealed the CIA's use of
waterboarding of Al-Qaeda suspects, was charged in January with leaking
secrets. The indictment allows the case to proceed to trial without an
evidentiary hearing.

The indictment returned by a grand jury in Virginia charged Kiriakou
with one count of violating the Intelligence Identities Protection Act
and three counts of violating the Espionage Act.

Posted by: Ms. Flame at April 06, 2012 10:31 AM (e8kgV)

16 Has there been an exodus of American citizens that is Wong documented? I keep seeing that less illegals are coming, but what about Americans leaving cause of the cocksucker? I see shows tha glamorize retiring abroad, or on TLC about buying a house in costa rica and it makes me wonder.

Posted by: Mr Pink at April 06, 2012 10:31 AM (vUydC)

17 @6

He will get better.

Monty was good but nature abhors a vacuum, Sic stat Andy!

Posted by: McLovin at April 06, 2012 10:31 AM (j0IcY)

18 "Skills mismatch." Yeah right.



Prospective employer: I need people who can read, write, add, subtract, multiply and divide. Oh and show up on time.



Public schools: Don't be so racist!

Posted by: NC Ref at April 06, 2012 10:31 AM (/izg2)

19 Iowa Republicans are taking aim at the state's top law school for denying a faculty position to a conservative law professor, who an assistant dean once said embraces politics the rest of the faculty "despises."
Teresa Wagner, who works as an associate director of writing at the University of Iowa College of Law, is suing former dean Carolyn Jones for employment discrimination, claiming she was not hired for a professor position because Jones and other law faculty disapproved of her conservative views and activism.
Law faculty positions at the publicly-funded university are viewed as "sacred cow," Wagner said in an interview, "for which Republicans need not apply."


We are at War with these liberal wennies

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 06, 2012 10:31 AM (i6RpT)

20 WH Economic Advisor Gene Sperling says House Republican partisanship "has blocked us from having a stronger job market."



Oh yeah, that must be it. Cue the MFM to start bleating this line

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2012 10:32 AM (1Jaio)

21 You think you're facing Doom?


Posted by: Jesus on Good Friday at April 06, 2012 10:29 AM (OhYCU)
Even so, sir, your future is looking brighter than ours if Barry gets re-elected.

Posted by: huerfano at April 06, 2012 10:32 AM (bAGA/)

22 "And one thing we found about clean energy was that if you build a solar
plant you are going to hire a lot of people. If you run a solar plant,
it doesn't take a ton of people to run some of these plants. The
labor-saving technology around the actual production of clean energy is
quite intense. So some of these firms don't employ as many people as you
might hope."


That says it all and should make you contemptuously dismiss anyone who says there is no difference between Obama and Romney. These assclowns spend billions of your dollars, and don't even have basic knowledge about the industries on which they spend them. Even if you hate Romney, do you imagine for a second that he ever spent a dime investing in a business that he hadn't thoroughly researched first? You know he didn't.

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 10:32 AM (6TB1Z)

23 If we use their reasoning, and assume that the purpose of private industry is to create jobs, not to earn profits, then why would we give tax credits to companies that are causing a loss of jobs.

Shouldn't we be throwing all sorts of tax incentives at coal mines and oil production companies instead of these sun worshipers?

You can't have it both ways, Democrats.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2012 10:33 AM (TOk1P)

24 The only number that the MSM will report is 8.1%, and they will attribute that to Bambi. There will be no further analysis. It's going to be that way right up until Election Day.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 10:33 AM (RD7QR)

25 Only Marxists can express glee at bringing down unemployment to 8% by losing 5 million jobs

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 10:33 AM (OhYCU)

26 obama on Fox now pandering to "women"

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 06, 2012 10:33 AM (i6RpT)

27 Mish Shedlock posted articles about how state income tax receipts are down and not corresponding to BLS employment statistics.

Posted by: kallisto at April 06, 2012 10:34 AM (jm/9g)

28
Oh yeah, that must be it. Cue the MFM to start bleating this line

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2012 10:32 AM (1Jaio)


The Real irony is that the split government has at least stopped nasty laws from getting passed. What it hasn't stopped is those job killing regulation the SCOAMT can just pen at will. (Yes I know it's his Cabinent and Departments Penning them, same effect.)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 10:34 AM (SYrwI)

29 That says it all

It says a lot, yes, but it leaves out the fact that Solar Power is inherently unsuitable for supplying our energy needs, even if it employed 5x as many people to run the plant as it did to build.

We don't do things to make jobs. We do things to make product. The jobs follow from that.

And until they understand that dynamic, they'll never get it right.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:35 AM (8y9MW)

30 @20

See this is where a smart opposition party would demand to know what the GOP has specifically blocked or hampered.


Posted by: McLovin at April 06, 2012 10:35 AM (j0IcY)

31 Obama sees all women as having their legs in the air all the time. All the stuff he thinks they care about is related to sex in some way. It's sick.

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 10:35 AM (CMM9V)

32 Remember it takes 300K total jobs with 250K civilian jobs to maintain the status quo. Anything less than that and the actual unemployment has increased.


And actual unemployment is > 20% per some economists.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 10:36 AM (YdQQY)

33 Happy Good Friday to all. And Happy Easter on Sunday.

Thanks Andy, the DOOM sign actually seem like talking to an old friend. A doom dog would be a nice touch.

So if the BLS keeps dropping the U-3 by .1% each month the rate will be 7.5% at the election. How convenient.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 06, 2012 10:36 AM (JIDLg)

34 Indeed. He is the first president upon whom I actively wish ass cancer. Not even Carter got that distinction while in office.
Given that his mama died of cancer in her early 50s and his role model daddy drank himself to death...if he actually paid for anything himself, his life insurance premiums would be a bit high.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 06, 2012 10:37 AM (Ec6wH)

35 It says a lot, yes, but it leaves out the fact that Solar Power is
inherently unsuitable for supplying our energy needs, even if it
employed 5x as many people to run the plant as it did to build.


Generally agree, although there are circumstances in which they make sense. They will not replace the petrochemical industry any time soon.

I'm still a long term believer in space-based solar.

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 10:38 AM (6TB1Z)

36 andy

"Getting rid of Obama in November won't magically solve these problems, but it is an absolutely necessary first step."

this can't be said enough....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 06, 2012 10:38 AM (Ho2rs)

37
"Rhetorical excess"? Marvelous, just marvelous.

Posted by: Marcus from Queensbury at April 06, 2012 10:38 AM (Ks4nX)

38 And actual unemployment is > 20% per some economists.

I liked my 36% number, personally.

Over 1/3 of working age Americans are not even in the labor market.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:38 AM (8y9MW)

39 Does Weak March Jobs Report Doom Obama Re-Election Bid?
The March jobs report delivered a downside surprise with the economy adding only 120,000 new payrolls, while the unemployment rate ticked down to 8.2%.





More of Yahoo playing cheerleader for Barry. Hey Yahoo, does laying off 2,000 idiots who worked for you hurt Barry's re-election bid?


Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2012 10:38 AM (1Jaio)

40 If you run a solar plant, it doesn't take a ton of people to run some of these plants.

Give them spoons.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 10:38 AM (GTbGH)

41 We don't do things to make jobs. We do things to make product. The jobs follow from that.

And until they understand that dynamic, they'll never get it right.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:35 AM


Silly capitalist, jobs are what you get elected to so you don't have to produce anything.

Posted by: Joe Biden at April 06, 2012 10:38 AM (bAGA/)

42 As for structural unemployment Cavuto had a guy on yesterday who said that they used to consider 4% the bottom line structural unemployment (the amount you could not get below).


He said now they would consider it 7% because there were a LOT of jobs that were lost during this depression that simply were not coming back.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 10:39 AM (YdQQY)

43 >> So true. I need a new kitty image to wipe away Monty's sad black kitty walking away down the railroad track.

Done

Posted by: Andy at April 06, 2012 10:39 AM (5Rurq)

44 Where is the DOOM cat? No DOOM cat makes me a sad dog!

Bring back the DOOM cat!!!!!!

Posted by: Killerdog at April 06, 2012 10:39 AM (Fs1gm)

45 I'm still a long term believer in space-based solar.

How do you get the energy back down here?

I understand the solar panels on the ISS are very efficient (though they need to be replaced fairly often), but what good is energy outside the atmosphere, when we then have to get it back down here?

We have a term for "wireless energy," it's "Lightning."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:40 AM (8y9MW)

46 The rabbit does not look pleased.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 10:40 AM (GTbGH)

47 Obama: No reason for U.S. and Iran to be divided
U.S. President Barack Obama directly appeals to the Iranian people in video message marking the Persian new year; rebukes Iranian government for creating 'electronic curtain' around its people.

Sure with you in the White House, both you and Iran are hoping for the destruction of Israel. Yeah Jews, go and vote for this guy?

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 06, 2012 10:41 AM (i6RpT)

48 Done

Posted by: Andy at April 06, 2012 10:39 AM (5Rurq)



Awww.....too cute and seasonal even! You're da best!

Posted by: Tami at April 06, 2012 10:41 AM (X6akg)

49 Ah!
DOOM! Smells almost as good as bacon in the morning.

Almost

Posted by: Clutch Cargo at April 06, 2012 10:41 AM (Qxdfp)

50 I'm not so sure those jobs will never be coming back. This has been repeated throughout our economic history...

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 06, 2012 10:42 AM (Ec6wH)

51 Obama brought down unemployment by putting 5 million people out of work.

And we cant beat this guy????????????????????????


Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 10:42 AM (OhYCU)

52 How do you get the energy back down here?

I
understand the solar panels on the ISS are very efficient (though they
need to be replaced fairly often), but what good is energy outside the
atmosphere, when we then have to get it back down here?

We have a term for "wireless energy," it's "Lightning."


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:40 AM (8y9MW)

A maser will do the trick, or maybe microwave. You beam it to earth from an orbiting solar collector. Of course anything in the beam gets fried, so you beam it to a collector in the desert and hope everybody but the birds knows to steer around the beam.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 10:43 AM (RD7QR)

53 How do you get the energy back down here?

Beam it as microwaves or laser energy. The biggest problem now is political, i.e., folks get wary of giant death rays in space directing energy at the earth. Fried seagulls and death star scenarios figure prominently.

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 10:43 AM (6TB1Z)

54 My DOOM is back! Thank you, Andy! You have made my weekend.

Happy Passover and Happy Easter to my happy moron horde.

Posted by: RoxyDoxy at April 06, 2012 10:43 AM (ZzhA3)

55
NKorea leader visits unit known for anti-US feats
Published: 04.06.12, 17:24 / Israel News



North Korean leader Kim Jong Un has visited a naval unit credited with anti-US feats.

The visit comes as North Korea prepares to launch a long-range rocket later this month despite US warnings. Pyongyang says it is seeking to put a scientific satellite in orbit. Washington says the launch is a test of ballistic missile technology. The North's official media said Friday that the unit visited by leader Kim Jong Un sank the USS Baltimore during the 1950s Korean War. Outside military historians dispute that claim. (AP)

????

A museum in Pyongyang, North Korea, preserved a propaganda poster claiming that the Baltimore was sunk by the Korean People's Navy on 2 July 1950. A torpedo boat which 'sank it' is also displayed there. In fact, the Baltimore was never deployed to the Korean War, nor did it see action again after World War II. The actual battle that occurred on 2 July involved the USS Juneau as well as HM Ships Black Swan and Jamaica, who together destroyed several North Korean torpedo boats escorting supply vessels without any significant return fire from the North Koreans.

Posted by: nevergiveup at April 06, 2012 10:43 AM (i6RpT)

56 Okay, reading the DOOM was giving me heartburn, but then I looked at the kitteh and bunneh pic, and now I feel all warm and happy.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at April 06, 2012 10:44 AM (4df7R)

57 I'm not so sure those jobs will never be coming back. This has been repeated throughout our economic history...

This. Some new sector will open up, or some new innovation will create new jobs/industry. It's happened several times. I'm not too worried about it, just yet.

Let's worry about getting those back to work who we can get back to work, and then take on any "structural unemployment."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:44 AM (8y9MW)

58 Kitteh looks like a baby version of my adult male. Of course, if that was him, that rabbit would be a heaping pile of blood and fur.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2012 10:44 AM (TOk1P)

59 Ifyou like your doom...

Posted by: Barnak the Hurrible at April 06, 2012 10:44 AM (8ieXv)

60
Re: The Beam,
Couldn't you stick it somewhere out in the ocean and solve pretty much all the problems (even the Seagull one?)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 10:45 AM (SYrwI)

61 labor-saving technology around the actual production of clean energy is quite intense. So some of these firms don't employ as many people as you might hope."

In other words, green technology is like an ATM.

Right, Barack?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO Supporter at April 06, 2012 10:45 AM (4df7R)

62 So true. I need a new kitty image to wipe away Monty's sad black kitty walking away down the railroad track.

Done


Posted by: Andy at April 06, 2012 10:39 AM





Awwwww .....

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 10:46 AM (P6QsQ)

63 You beam it to earth from an orbiting solar collector.

So you pass concentrated, high-energy waves through the atmosphere? What could go wrong?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:46 AM (8y9MW)

64 Coon is the new Doom.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 06, 2012 10:46 AM (8ieXv)

65 ObamaNomics shorthand...

If you are out of work, you dont need a car
If you dont have a car, you dont need as much energy
Profit!!!

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 10:46 AM (OhYCU)

66 To bad Tesla is not alive today. He'd solve the space based solar power transfer over lunch.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2012 10:47 AM (eH3n4)

67 I think I'm developing Lagomorphobia...giant rabbits are kind of creepy.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at April 06, 2012 10:47 AM (Ec6wH)

68 All your prayers are come to me.
Response: "Nyah, nyah, nyah, gimme your money."

Posted by: #OccupyResoluteDesk at April 06, 2012 10:48 AM (Orvm4)

69 So you pass concentrated, high-energy waves through the atmosphere? What could go wrong?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:46 AM (8y9MW)

Heh. Well, if you're an ill-informed pilot or a bird, it will ruin your day. I don't know if it would affect the weather; that's one of the questions that's probably keeping it from being tested.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 10:48 AM (RD7QR)

70 The reappearance of a DOOM post on Good Friday, how appropriate.

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2012 10:48 AM (joSBv)

71 I got this feeling that things are a little worse than being reported...

Posted by: Max Power at April 06, 2012 10:49 AM (+wxCD)

72 Seriously folks, these people have said with their own words, we have businesses to provide jobs. Then they said we had to fund these clean energy operations. Then we couldn't be drilling for oil in Alaska, or building pipelines that might pollute the Earf, even though they would create gazillions of jobs as well as solving many of our energy woes.

Now they admit the clean energy companies don't end up employing all that many people.

Is it really all that hard for Republicans to connect these particular dots?

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2012 10:49 AM (TOk1P)

73 That rabbit has clown eyes. Someone stop it before it gets out of hand.

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 10:50 AM (OhYCU)

74 @AllenG: Lasers should be pretty OK to use. Physics has come a long way since the dawn on the space age. As my wife used to say "Einstien fathered the space program. We can get something in orbit with Newton, but good luck gettting it back." And we've come a long way since then.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 10:50 AM (SYrwI)

75 I don't know if it would affect the weather; that's one of the questions that's probably keeping it from being tested.

Well, since any time we pass high energy through an atmospheric chamber, that's how they create laboratory-based storms... I'm thinking it would affect the weather.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:50 AM (8y9MW)

76 Is it really all that hard for Republicans to connect these particular dots?
Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2012 10:49 AM (TOk1P)

---
Yes.

Posted by: RioBravo at April 06, 2012 10:51 AM (eEfYn)

77 Cats and rabbits living together.

Posted by: fluffy, cat herder at April 06, 2012 10:52 AM (z9HTb)

78 Lasers should be pretty OK to use.

Yeah... but what happens when those lasers strike particles (like, oh, I dunno- water vapor) in the sky on the way down?

Not saying it can't be done, but I'd really like to know what happens when you shoot a high-powered laser through clouds before we try it on a large scale.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:52 AM (8y9MW)

79 It's the Republicans fault. Or something.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at April 06, 2012 10:52 AM (z2Jqf)

80 76 -

Grrrr, stupid Republicans. They are the worst party this country has ever spawned... except all the others.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2012 10:53 AM (TOk1P)

81 Doom! *gasp*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 10:53 AM (UOM48)

82 So you pass concentrated, high-energy waves through the atmosphere? What could go wrong?

Note my use of "long-term". Besides, nobody is talking about death star type energy densities. The current self-imposed limit is average solar density, but it could be higher.

In any case, even if you assume there are problems beaming the energy through the atmosphere, there are problems with every form of energy harvesting and delivery. That doesn't mean you just give up. It means you try to engineer around the problems.


Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 10:54 AM (6TB1Z)

83 Beaming electricity from space will never work. Electricity is electron flow. How do you beam "electron flow"? If you beamed microwave radiation you then run into the problem with the inverse square law where it spreads out as it leaves the transmitter.



And none of that takes into account the attenuation factor going through the atmosphere. I will not even attempt to write the equation for that in our non-formatting comments box.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 10:54 AM (YdQQY)

84
@AllenG:

Dunno, I'd have to ask my wife, she's the psychisist, I'm the biochemist. Although that being said, we shoot high powered lasers at the moon on a fairly regular basis (for various reasons) without ill effects, I dunno how reversing the process would change it.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 10:54 AM (SYrwI)

85 Cook that unemployment number all you want. It's well past being edible at this point.

Posted by: JQ Public at April 06, 2012 10:54 AM (NBj0d)

86 Nuclear

Posted by: Max Power at April 06, 2012 10:54 AM (+wxCD)

87 Evil Repubs want to poison our kids, good thing the good Dems are benign and just want to abort them (even after live birth).

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 06, 2012 10:55 AM (i3+c5)

88 Cats and rabbits living together.


Posted by: fluffy, cat herder at April 06, 2012 10:52 AM (z9HTb)

Kittehs and bunnehs living together. (edited per AOS Style Mannual.)
Oh my.

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2012 10:55 AM (joSBv)

89
Once again the Democrats beat the Repubkicans to the punch.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 06, 2012 10:55 AM (oB2II)

90 To any of you who, like me, can't raise much enthusiasm for voting for Romney, here's a solution; do it to piss off the Lames Stream Media AND Libeals in general.

I have been trying to justify voting for this POS golden boy. Who doesn't deserve and hasn't earned any regard as a conservative. Who will most likely allow some very bad laws to be passed and nominations to SCOTUS that won't be the best (think GHW Bush and
son GW) BUT the screams of horror and the tears of grief that will be heard through out Media Land if Romney gets elected will be sweet enough to last till 2016.

Meanwhile look to the LSM to really, really fudge the unemployment numbers (as if we're too stupid to figure out we're not working as much) in their effort to cover for this miserable excuse of a Law Professor.

They try and they try but the truth always will out. From his own mouth we have been given proof of one of two things about him and neither is good.

1. He's no constitutional scholar. Ergo, being Law Review Editor was a gift from someone. In fact probably his entire scholastic record can be questioned from his statements of folly.

OR

2. He's intentionally arousing conflict and hate toward the SCOTUS knowing they can't respond and setting up the narrative of how he has to be elected to overcome the rightwing activist court or Roe V Wade will be next. (the left's holy grail)

Me; I opt for both.

He's a South State Street 3 card monte hustler and any thing goes to get the marks to put down their money. There's no lie too preposterous to make, no claim too silly to voice, no accusation too shameful to bring.

HE. HAS. NO. LIMITS.

Vote Romney in 2012 just so you can see Andra Mitchell cry on TV.

Posted by: If It's Mitt, Obama's a Hit at April 06, 2012 10:55 AM (CP+yl)

91 Non-farm payroll adds: 120,000 (against an expectation of ~200,000)

Why do people still call these "expectations"? We have more than enough historical data to show that these are never anything more than wild speculation. A random 12 year old has as good a chance at getting the employment numbers as any economist.

Posted by: ThePrimordialOrderedPair at April 06, 2012 10:55 AM (X3lox)

92
Not saying it can't be done, but I'd really like to know what happens when you shoot a high-powered laser through clouds before we try it on a large scale.


My guess is that it would eventually involve a tethered collector suspended by balloons, or perhaps really high towers, both of which get you past much of the atmosphere and the weather. And yes, I too like to do a little testing before I invest trillions in a technology.

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 10:57 AM (6TB1Z)

93 we shoot high powered lasers at the moon on a fairly regular basis (for various reasons) without ill effects

Yeah, but there's not some constant beam of energy slicing up from the earth to the moon constantly. We shoot short term (IIRC, sometimes less than a second) lasers. For energy collection, wouldn't you need something pretty constant? Otherwise you're back to just basic solar collection- just more expensive and more likely to break.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 10:57 AM (8y9MW)

94 You think Alito and Roberts were bad picks for SCOTUS?

I beg to differ.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 06, 2012 10:57 AM (O3R/2)

95
@Vic,
Electricity is electron flow, energy can be a few different things. They've made signficant progress with what could be called a "LASER powered solar cell." that bascially replaces the "Sun" with "LASER" By concentrating the light you can get more energy in a smaller space.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 10:57 AM (SYrwI)

96 If you beamed microwave radiation you then run into the problem with the
inverse square law where it spreads out as it leaves the transmitter.


IIRC, there are transmitter designs that focus the energy and get you past that problem. Attenuation would be minimized as discussed above, but given that sunlight penetrates to the earth, it should be workable.

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 10:59 AM (6TB1Z)

97 Somebody who rhymes with treg is absent. Don't summon him. If you don't mention him 3 times, he can stay in the bed of his 890lb bedridden mother, whose folds of blubber have been a girlfriend to him for years.

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2012 10:59 AM (7TwHV)

98
I'd hit that bunny so hard they'd have to add a new number to the Mohs hardness scale.

Posted by: Toby the Beagle at April 06, 2012 11:00 AM (Ks4nX)

99
@AllenG:
I'm not saying we're there yet, just that it seems possible to accomplish and thus is a valid area of research. (Not commenting on who should be doing the research and who should be paying for it. Those are seperate issues.)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 11:00 AM (SYrwI)

100
The Democrats are so much better at politics that they're out their right now taking credit for lowering unemployment and blaming the Republicans for the shitty [economy.

The Democrats have all the bases covered and the Republicans continue to be stymied.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 06, 2012 11:01 AM (yhYn1)

101 97
Somebody who rhymes with treg is absent. Don't summon him. If you don't
mention him 3 times, he can stay in the bed of his 890lb bedridden
mother, whose folds of blubber have been a girlfriend to him for years.

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2012 10:59 AM (7TwHV)

You just had to ruin my appetite, didn't you? [blargh, grrg, snarg]

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 11:01 AM (RD7QR)

102 Are our abstractions goofy, I ask myself sometimes when I see these problem numbers and coincidentally have the urge to give a damn. Can we actually fix these problems inside of the structures that are in place. Do we have to burn down, or remodel significantly,the government and social structures within which we are trying to solve problems. We see clear approaches to solutions modeled in our minds,but with goofyabstractionsof the domain where the solution must actually be applied.I don't havemuch confidence thatour time tested, and much loved,systems will accommodate our needed solutions, in this actual day and age, or into the future. I feel that hope may disappoint at long last, Ifeel the Doom.

Posted by: And Irresolute at April 06, 2012 11:01 AM (RC3M9)

103 Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 10:54 AM (SYrwI)

Laser beams can bounce off the moon, but these are used in a very very low power detection problem (measurement of the reflected return pulse). This is a far cry from delivering substantial amounts of continuous power over large distances.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 06, 2012 11:02 AM (i3+c5)

104 After the election, in order to reduce the unemployment rate, I will have more flexibility to implement the One-Child rule (for Red states anyway)

Posted by: ObamaNomics at April 06, 2012 11:02 AM (OhYCU)

105 Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 11:00 AM (SYrwI)

See, I guess that's fair, but I keep going back to the Daily WTF's (dailywtf.com) "Engineer's Gloves."

Before we start doing a lot of research with space-based solar collection, why don't we spend some time beating liberals over the head until they agree to let us start up hydro-electric and nuclear plants, again?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:02 AM (8y9MW)

106 Charlie Cook just moved WI from lean D to tossup in the Prez race.

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2012 11:03 AM (C3KwS)

107 The Democrats have all the bases covered and the Republicans continue to be stymied.

Truthfully soothie, how would we know? Perhaps the Republicans are out there right now laying the smack down but, if the MFM doesn't cover it, can it be said to have happened at all?

I don't understand why our capitalistic monopoly men are not out there buying media outlets, if only out of self-preservation.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:03 AM (GTbGH)

108 Before we start doing a lot of research with space-based solar
collection, why don't we spend some time beating liberals over the head
until they agree to let us start up hydro-electric and nuclear plants,
again?


Can't we do both?

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 11:04 AM (6TB1Z)

109 Where's the bit about cleaning up our national moral consciousness and that kind of stuff?

Posted by: SFGoth at April 06, 2012 11:04 AM (dZ756)

110 "US Needs To Generate 262K Jobs Each Month To Get Back To Breakeven" http://tinyurl.com/6pwkttd
"The problem, however is that the denominator in the equation is not fixed, and as everyone knows the US labor force, despite the ridiculous BLS data fudging,
is growing in line with population, albeit at a slower pace. According
to all non-partisan budget forecasters, each month the labor force should be adding 90,000 people. Which in turn means that since December 2007, the labor force has really grown by 4.6 million. Adding these two together leads to a 10 million job deficit."

Posted by: which at April 06, 2012 11:04 AM (oZfic)

111 106
Charlie Cook just moved WI from lean D to tossup in the Prez race.

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2012 11:03 AM (C3KwS)

CAC, I've been meaning to ask you about VA. Is it really that blue? Bad news if we can't get it back...

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 11:05 AM (RD7QR)

112 Tesla had already engineered the process to have wireless electrical power transfer.

Posted by: polynikes at April 06, 2012 11:05 AM (eH3n4)

113 Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:03 AM (GTbGH)


Look at how Fox has morphed into liberal light in spite of its original conservative base of support.

Posted by: Hrothgar at April 06, 2012 11:05 AM (i3+c5)

114 Yipee the DOOM is back! Shining a spotlight on the truth, no matter how bad it really is, makes me feel better. Hmmmmmmm.......

Posted by: Boots at April 06, 2012 11:06 AM (neKzn)

115 I was thinking more of GHWB re; SCOTUS than GWB and I wasn't just pointing out failures in nominations.

Posted by: If It's Mitt, Obama's a Hit at April 06, 2012 11:06 AM (CP+yl)

116 The DOOM! is back in town!


Posted by: MikeTheMoose now with dark clouds! at April 06, 2012 11:07 AM (0q2P7)

117 oh and we dont have a generation of losers coming up?

Actually we have a generation of losers raising another generation of imbeciles.

Webster, MA town leaders just decided to allow kids as young as 14 yrs old to get tattoos...with parental permission.

Why? For public health. And shut up, that's why.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 06, 2012 11:08 AM (yhYn1)

118 VA and PA are moving in opp directions. States change, but nobody seems to accept that. VT and ME were two of the most R states in the nation once. SC one of the most D.

Posted by: CAC at April 06, 2012 11:08 AM (5UcDQ)

119 Son sent an e-mail from A-stan this morning:

I've started ordering parts for an AR15 generic M4 style rifle. Do not send them
to me. Lol. Love and miss y'all.




He must be planning for the up-coming zombie apocalypse when he returns.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (UOM48)

120 OT: The dreaded RINO Krauthammer gives O a nice spanking today at the NRO website.

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (6TB1Z)

121 117 sooth

dear Lord.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (Ho2rs)

122 Everything I've been hearing and reading says it's 6-3 in favor of obamacare. Had a lib tell me the business with calling out the supremes and holder's letter were just to make you think he didn't win.

Posted by: which at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (oZfic)

123
@Hrothgar
Agreed, like I said, it's something that would have to be researched, but we are beaming tons of various electromagnetic waves at the earth all the time (Radio, microwave, etc.) I have no idea what thesum total of these is or how it's diffuseness affects it. All I'm saying is there's no reason to believe a priori that it would cause tons of problems. (Next Liberal idea, Satellite TV causes Global warming.)

@AllenG: Eh, I'm all for doing both at the same time. Similarly it's important to be researching "other-than-Fossil" fuel types* (because there's a chance that they may be better/cheaper/etc.) but that doesn't mean we should stop drilling (or researching better ways to drill/extract/etc.

*Again, no comment on who should be paying for these, that's side discussion. I'm merely speaking about "Valid science"

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 11:10 AM (SYrwI)

124 Once Google X has developed the space elevator, we shall be able to forego the untidy aspects of microwave beaming and use the same super-cable technology to transport electricity to distribution facilities.

Posted by: And Irresolute at April 06, 2012 11:10 AM (RC3M9)

125 OMG

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 06, 2012 11:10 AM (Ho2rs)

126 Doom Bunny! That's pretty good right there.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 06, 2012 11:10 AM (JIDLg)

127 Eww

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:10 AM (GTbGH)

128 *Again, no comment on who should be paying for these, that's side discussion. I'm merely speaking about "Valid science"

Oooh, me, pick me. (thrusts hand skyward)

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 11:11 AM (6TB1Z)

129
toby, I understand what you're suggesting might indeed be the case. But allevidence points to the fact that compared to the Democrats the Republicans are asleep at the switch when it comes to communicating with the People.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 06, 2012 11:12 AM (oB2II)

130 It rears its head again.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 11:12 AM (UOM48)

131 Realistic. Which is a word you don’t often hear when it comes to describing a budget. At least, not in my party.

Posted by: Bumbles O'Clusterfuck at April 06, 2012 11:13 AM (a5ljo)

132 Why does it think anyone believes in it's made up stuff or libtard lies?

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 11:13 AM (CMM9V)

133 Honest. Another one of those faggy Mormon words you don't often hear.

Posted by: Bumbles O'Clusterfuck at April 06, 2012 11:13 AM (a5ljo)

134 Hard work. See what an out-of-touch homo my opponent is?

Posted by: Bumbles O'Clusterfuck at April 06, 2012 11:15 AM (a5ljo)

135
Unemployment will be at 5.2% a few months before the election. Not really. But that will be the report.

Posted by: rectal exam at April 06, 2012 11:15 AM (O7ksG)

136 Can't we do both?

Well, my understanding is we need a bunch of those people who'd be doing the research on the new stuff instead to focus on rebuilding our knowledge- especially of nuclear power plants.

Apparently we don't have very many people, anymore, who actually know how to make them.

But, no, I have no problem doing both at once, so long as resources exist to do both at once.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:15 AM (8y9MW)

137 Earned. What kind of prissy whiteboy shit is that?

Posted by: Bumbles O'Clusterfuck at April 06, 2012 11:16 AM (a5ljo)

138 133 bumbles

you forgot "healthcare cult"....it should read

honest. another one of those faggy mormon HEALTHCARE CULT words you don't often hear..........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 06, 2012 11:16 AM (Ho2rs)

139
Nuclear

Posted by: Max Power at April 06, 2012 10:54 AM (+wxCD)




Nucular-Powered Doom Kittehs

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 06, 2012 11:16 AM (tQoT4)

140 >> Webster, MA town leaders just decided to allow kids as young as 14 yrs old to get tattoos...with parental permission.

And that didn't even make the MA Outrage of the Day!(tm). Springfield topped them by deciding it would be a good idea to hand out condoms to 12-year olds.

Posted by: Andy at April 06, 2012 11:16 AM (5Rurq)

141
@Pep:

I'm actually stuck on the question of how much Gov't should be involved in the spending on science. At the basic science level (i.e.pure benchscience)it seems that some Gov't funding may not be bad since this is an important (but ultimately unprofitable) aspect of science. As you move closer to the development aspect though Gov't funding should taper off pretty swiftly. After all there's no reason to subsidize RD for corperations (beyond the standard stuff in the tax code) as you get into the issue of picking winners and losers at that point.
But like I said, I'm stuck, and I waffle back and forth on this one. (Mostly from the position of "Almost nil funding" to the "Quickly tapering" position, not much past that.)

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 11:18 AM (SYrwI)

142
"To bad Tesla is not alive today. He'd solve the space based solar power transfer over lunch."

Tesla had plans to construct a power plant that somehow got electricity from the earth and was so ridiculously cheap as to be almost free. He approached some giant industrialist (whose name escapes me) who said he couldn't sell something for nothing.

The idea of there being a great deal of energy in the "ether" is starting to be rediscovered. A group of NASA scientists stumbled upon it while researching something else a few years back (go figure). The scientists think it exists, but they have to way to even measure it at present.

IIRC, the theory runs counter to the widely held belief that what separates atomic electrons is a vacuum.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 06, 2012 11:18 AM (d0Tfm)

143
I hear the democrat's stimulus money is being fraudulently frittered away. oh yeah-our tax dollars, hard at work paying democrat gov workersto do nothing.

Posted by: rectal exam at April 06, 2012 11:18 AM (O7ksG)

144 If we don't start shutting these oil rigs down now, there'll be a huge backlog in January when the biofuels replace gasoline. Can we afford to wait?

Posted by: Bumbles O'Clusterfuck at April 06, 2012 11:20 AM (a5ljo)

145 why don't we spend some time beating liberals over
the head until they agree to let us start up hydro-electric and nuclear
plants, again?


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:02 AM (8y9MW)
-----------------------

Did you see the link on the news thread? Hell start up hydro??? Obama is shutting them down using intentionally falsified "studies" and firing the people that ratted him out.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 11:20 AM (YdQQY)

146 Apparently we don't have very many people, anymore, who actually know how to make them. But, no, I have no problem doing both at once, so long as resources exist to do both at once.

We do have a looming problem, which is that there aren't enough of our best and brightest people willing to go the STEM route because the payoff isn't there in terms of salary. Dedicating ourselves to solving this problem, which I consider the biggest technological problem we face, would go a long way to convincing folks that it's a worthwhile thing to which to dedicate your life. Think of what happened after Sputnik and the moon shots.


Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 11:20 AM (6TB1Z)

147 Everything I've been hearing and reading says it's
6-3 in favor of obamacare. Had a lib tell me the business with calling
out the supremes and holder's letter were just to make you think he
didn't win.


Posted by: which at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (oZfic)



Did you hear that from your friend's barber?

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 11:21 AM (P6QsQ)

148
I know a little bit about Virginia, so I'll put my two cents worth in.
Northern Virginia is growing like a weed and is extremely affluent. Obama polls very well with wealthy, 'educated' whites. Also, the Fluke Strategy helped him with NoVa women. The rest of the state is becoming more diluted with retirees from the Northeast and former government workers, also polling well with Obama. The military is not as conservative as it once was, I'm sad to say, and I'm sure I might get an argument about this, but I think you'll hear more about it over the course of time. And, lastly, there is a sizeable black population which will vote for BarryO no matter what.

Posted by: jinxthecat at April 06, 2012 11:21 AM (2sGqQ)

149 Allen West is telling it like it is on CNN right now.

Posted by: slatz at April 06, 2012 11:22 AM (tLzqG)

150 Andy I might have that one beat!

Haverhill, MA just hired trash bin inspectors to catch people not recycling. $50 fine for putting cans and shit in your trash.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 06, 2012 11:23 AM (LVtr+)

151 mama winger, thanks. Nearly spewed coffee all over my keyboard.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 11:23 AM (UOM48)

152
to way to measure = no way to measure

Damned analogue spll chqre..

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at April 06, 2012 11:24 AM (d0Tfm)

153 Did you hear that from your friend's barber?

Her Jewish Catholic priest.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:24 AM (GTbGH)

154 He must be planning for the up-coming zombie apocalypse when he returns.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (UOM4

Or preparing for the pre-election festivities should Obama look like he'll lose.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 11:24 AM (RD7QR)

155 Did you hear that from your friend's barber?

More likely from that bunneh that's been spotted around these parts this week laying eggs.

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2012 11:24 AM (joSBv)

156 148 Except Bob McDonnell has done a tremendous job in comparison to the eyebrow. There is a surplus now when there was debt before. McDonnell has held the line on taxes and has brought tremendous new business to the state. He is going to have a tremendous amount of gravitas in this election. Also, much of the growth in NoVa has been in the exurbs which are Republican. The closer in suburbs have always been lib--I don't think that they have grown that much or have room to grow.

I'm hopeful that Obama won't take Virginia again.

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 11:26 AM (CMM9V)

157
Everything I've been hearing and reading says it's

6-3 in favor of obamacare. Had a lib tell me the business with calling

out the supremes and holder's letter were just to make you think he

didn't win.




Posted by: which at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (oZfic)

F'n genius that SCOAMF, playing 11th dimensional chess and he decides to add another dimension for fun.

Posted by: Red Shirt at April 06, 2012 11:26 AM (FIDMq)

158 Posted by: which at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (oZfic)

THAR' SHE BLOWS!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2012 11:27 AM (JEpGb)

159 curious knows all. Her lib friends are geniuses and all insidery.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 11:27 AM (UOM48)

160
We do have a looming problem, which is that there aren't enough of our
best and brightest people willing to go the STEM route because the
payoff isn't there in terms of salary.







Actually, I suspect that the future payout is there for STEM degrees. I think the problem is that the college-age generation realizes that STEM degrees require, you know, WORK, while social sciences/humanities degrees allow you to sleep in class and binge drink for 4 years, but they don't offer squat for future opportunities. The constant barrage of "I have a PhD in Women's Studies and can't pay my student loans" media stories just reflect that fact.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at April 06, 2012 11:27 AM (tQoT4)

161 Posted by: which at April 06, 2012 11:09 AM (oZfic)*
Layers upon layers
*
Wheels within wheels
*
Chemtrails...

Posted by: dananjcon at April 06, 2012 11:28 AM (8ieXv)

162 But I take the point. We do NOT have an energy problem in the United State that requires expensive and exotic new technology. What we have is a damned political problem with assholes that will not let us use the energy we have.


My guess is that even if you came up with the perfect energy supply non-polluting method (think Heinlein's mythical shipstone here), the damn neobarb Luddites and commies would join together to get it banned.


What we need is an amendment that requires people to pay a significant amount of taxes before they can vote. That will eliminate the communists in office after a few short years.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 11:28 AM (YdQQY)

163
Back her down coxswain, she's sucking mud!

Posted by: Admiral Jimmah Cartah at April 06, 2012 11:28 AM (TkGkA)

164 Hey, curious. You haven't updated us on when the Pope is resigning. Does your priest's barber have any more insider info?

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 11:29 AM (UOM48)

165 Actually, we are better off if we use someone else's oil and make sure they spend the money on whores and booze.

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:30 AM (OhYCU)

166
Heh. She ripped his scrotum. He was transported to Ball Memorial Hospital. Link below.

Posted by: maddogg at April 06, 2012 11:32 AM (OlN4e)

167 please find one of your soooooper smart mit friends and have them change your hash for you......that way you can start fresh and maybe slide by for a day before you are discovered........of course.....you'll end up mentioning my closet or insult military moms or complain about student loans and that will sink your ship...but give it a try......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 06, 2012 11:32 AM (Ho2rs)

168 "If you're a Christian, today is Good Friday."

Not necessarily; I'm Serbian Orthodox - my Easter is next Sunday. I'll be scoopin' up the discounts on Monday!

Posted by: the Butcher at April 06, 2012 11:33 AM (8g9qq)

169 We do NOT have an energy problem in the United State that requires
expensive and exotic new technology. What we have is a damned political
problem with assholes that will not let us use the energy we have.


This.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:33 AM (GTbGH)

170
The NoVa congressional delegation has gone from 2R 1D to 1R 2D since 2000 and the remaining congressman, Wolf, would be termed a RINO in this group. Fairfax County has a population of over 1 million and used to be reliably R--not so anymore. Loudoun, the richest county of all, has developed its Eastern half into a high density uban model that bodes well for D votes.
By the way Dagny, I really hope you are right. I'm just feeling a bit Doomy.

Posted by: jinxthecat at April 06, 2012 11:34 AM (2sGqQ)

171 Gov. Malloy (CT) just said he's against the death penalty because people have been wrongly put to death. Has there ever been anyone executed who was later found to be innocent?

Posted by: slatz at April 06, 2012 11:34 AM (tLzqG)

172 Romney just said he would add women to Augusta.

God help us.

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:34 AM (OhYCU)

173 I'm Serbian Orthodox - my Easter is next Sunday. I'll be scoopin' up the discounts on Monday!

Posted by: the Butcher at April 06, 2012 11:33 AM




Ya, you Orthodox are tricky like that.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 11:35 AM (P6QsQ)

174 I'm going to have to take a chill pill this morning. The heat of a thousand suns thing has the vein at my temple throbbing.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:35 AM (GTbGH)

175 "Had a lib tell me the business with calling out the supremes and holder's letter were just to make you think he didn't win. "

Cats are libs? It explains a lot with their laying around all the time.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at April 06, 2012 11:35 AM (kaOJx)

176 my cats are not libs......they might be establishment republicans though..........my orange dog, may she rip, was 100% conservative.......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 06, 2012 11:37 AM (Ho2rs)

177 172
Romney just said he would add women to Augusta.God help us.




It's a f*cking private club!!!! Jeebus.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at April 06, 2012 11:37 AM (UOM48)

178 It's not like the Senate blocked a whole lotta bills from the House or anything.

Posted by: nickless at April 06, 2012 11:37 AM (MMC8r)

179 Has there ever been anyone executed who was later found to be innocent?

Not that I know of.

The Innocence Project tries to claim that, from time to time, but they're almost always debunked fairly quickly.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:38 AM (8y9MW)

180 My Dad always used to say "why is it called Good Friday? It wasn't a very good day."

Theological arguments aside, I could see his point.

But I suppose that "Bad Friday" looks strange on a liturgical calendar.

Posted by: shibumi at April 06, 2012 11:38 AM (z63Tr)

181 Dear Mr. Romney,

Please don't help.

Thanks,

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:38 AM (8y9MW)

182 Lord Forked-Tongue O'Vomitus can add women to Augusta National as soon as they allow me unlimited play there for a year.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 11:39 AM (YdQQY)

183 166
I guess it's a good thing they have a Ball hospital in Muncie.

Posted by: ciceroskip at April 06, 2012 11:41 AM (PkK1v)

184 Wow, I thought that was Obama who said that and misread the post.

Mutt said women should be added to Augusta?



And the Mutt Mushers here think he will govern as a conservative????

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 11:41 AM (YdQQY)

185

Dogs are conservative. They'll work for a treat. Cats are libs. They want everything immediately upon demand, with no expectation of any change in behavior.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 11:41 AM (P6QsQ)

186 " Has there ever been anyone executed who was later found to be innocent? "

That Jesus dude the Romans crucified.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at April 06, 2012 11:41 AM (kaOJx)

187 132 Why does it think anyone believes in it's made up stuff or libtard lies?

I don't think it cares, Jane. ....It is here to disrupt, inflame and then act pitiful if it gets attacked.

Ignoring it's bullshit posts, however, implies that we agree with the bullshit....since silence implies 'agreement'.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2012 11:42 AM (+5U+B)

188
Augusta should admit women when we unwashed members of the proletariat are admitted to the Senate private dining facility to blow gas, tell fuck jokes, and make fun of John Kerry.

Posted by: Doctor Fish at April 06, 2012 11:42 AM (TkGkA)

189 And the Mutt Mushers here think he will govern as a conservative????

He will have more flexibility then.

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:42 AM (OhYCU)

190 >>>Had a lib tell me the business with calling out the supremes and holder's letter were just to make you think he didn't win.

That is some industrial strength stupid right there.

1. People in the US want to think of the Supreme Court as not being able to be bullied by the President.

2. Doing so (bullying the Supreme Court) in an election year for an unpopular piece of legislation the Plurality would like to see die is a bad political move.

3. Now if he wins the case, folks will think he bent the outcome which will focus the upcoming debate on appointments to the court, and if he loses, folks will think he tried to bully the court and couldn't, which makes him look like a feckless wannabe tyrant. Either one is a political loser. The only reason to pop that political poison pill is you actually think you are losing and you love the legislation so much your willing to take the political hit on the off chance you might save it.

Liberals manufacture reality when reality doesn't suit them. If you believe them because they have good group think and can chant in unison you are an idiot.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose now with dark clouds! at April 06, 2012 11:42 AM (0q2P7)

191 If they get in line now, the first woman member will be in 2041. I expect the real demand is for some AA line jumping.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:42 AM (GTbGH)

192 187....ooops, sorry, that was dagny at comment no. 132. ...duh

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2012 11:43 AM (+5U+B)

193 No reason for Mitt to get caught up in this stupid "war on women" narrative that OBama keeps jacking up. He probably is just saying this to not get trapped into the nontroversy.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 11:44 AM (P6QsQ)

194 Good Friday is good because Jesus completed the task. God and Man are now reconciled. I read something recently that suggested that when Jesus expired, the Holy Spirit was given over to those present (John, Mary Magdalen and others) . Peter, the guy that ran away, had to wait for Pentacost to receive the Holy Spirit.

Posted by: Jimbo at April 06, 2012 11:44 AM (O3R/2)

195 Cats are libs. They want everything immediately upon demand, with no expectation of any change in behavior.

Mine's a monarchist. He knows he's king.

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2012 11:44 AM (joSBv)

196
>>>But I suppose that "Bad Friday" looks strange on a liturgical calendar.

The Terrible Rotten No-Good Friday?

PS
Please don't smite me.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose now with dark clouds! at April 06, 2012 11:44 AM (0q2P7)

197 So who is going to deliver the asskicking to the little numbers gnomes? On a 200K line, they miss by 100K!!! Every month has significant revisions, have any revisions been in the positive direction? Either someone bent his slide rule or someone has their finger on the scale. Should this be on Issa?

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 11:45 AM (WkuV6)

198 The Innocence Project tries to claim that, from time to time, but they're almost always debunked fairly quickly.

Any doubt at all that every school child in America would know the name of any such case?

Hell, everyone knows WTF a "Mumia" is, and there is no room for doubt about what that piece of shit did.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at April 06, 2012 11:45 AM (p7SSh)

199 [ptui]I believe that it is part of our solemn responsibility to future generations that we look after this planet;[/ptui]

I KNOW it is part of our responsibility to future generations to use whatever we have to of this planet to get to the stars!

Posted by: DaveA at April 06, 2012 11:45 AM (onSRg)

200 And ya, I don't care if he lies to me about Augusta. Just win.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 11:45 AM (P6QsQ)

201 We should no longer even talk about the 'Unemployment' number...

We should be talking about the EMPLOYMENT number.. the raw amount of people working in America (and not those LOOKING for work, but the total amount of working age Americans, working)

Don't let those 'normalizing' data affect the perception...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 06, 2012 11:45 AM (lZBBB)

202 No reason for Mitt to get caught up in this stupid "war on women"
narrative that OBama keeps jacking up. He probably is just saying this
to not get trapped into the nontroversy.


Mitt: "Load the Augusta folks on Train 12."

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:46 AM (OhYCU)

203 Just checking in…

Is this still the “Hail on Planes” thread?

Posted by: jwest at April 06, 2012 11:46 AM (ZDsRL)

204 172 Romney just said he would add women to Augusta.God help us.
Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:34 AM (OhYCU)
**
UGH!! This fuck is not making things easy is he.You gotta hope its all lip service. Why can't he just say, Its a private club they can do what they want. This explanationworks for him when he's a dedicated tenther vis a vis Romney care.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 06, 2012 11:46 AM (8ieXv)

205 He probably is just saying this to not get trapped into the nontroversy.

Then he's doing it wrong.

ONLY Correct Answer for Conservatives: "Augusta is a private club, with private rules including admission of members. As a private organization, they may have whatever admission rules they wish to have, and may admit- or not- anyone they choose. It is certainly not the place of the Government to intervene or attempt to influence their decisions."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:46 AM (8y9MW)

206 >> Haverhill, MA just hired trash bin inspectors to catch people not recycling. $50 fine for putting cans and shit in your trash.

They do that because DEP fines the hell out of the city for not meeting recycling targets.

I swear, the highest concentration of stupid people on the planet has to be found in a circle centered at Beacon Hill with a radius extending out to Cambridge. And it ticks up noticeably when our governor decides to show up and, you know, work.

Posted by: Andy at April 06, 2012 11:46 AM (5Rurq)

207 The Terrible Rotten No-Good Friday?
PSPlease don't smite me.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose now with dark clouds! at April 06, 2012 11:44 AM (0q2P7)

Bad Fridays happen, by definition, when you have to work all weekend...

Posted by: Romeo13 at April 06, 2012 11:47 AM (lZBBB)

208 184....And the Mutt Mushers here think he will govern as a conservative????

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 11:41 AM (YdQQY)


Well, I certainly don't think so.....but what choice are we going to have, but to vote for the R-nominee in November? ....It's maddening to be forced to vote for someone that you don't support, but the alternative is even worse.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2012 11:47 AM (+5U+B)

209 Cherry do you have a link for that quote on Mutt? I have done a news search and can not find it.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 11:48 AM (YdQQY)

210 Mitt just said if he were running Augusta, he'd allow women, not that
he'd issue an executive order as POTUS forcing them to do so. Get your fucking panties unbunched.

Posted by: Waterhouse at April 06, 2012 11:48 AM (UK787)

211 This explanationworks for him when he's a dedicated tenther...

Hey! Don't smear me that way!

Yuck.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:48 AM (8y9MW)

212 Expected: 203,000 new jobs, unemployment stays at 8.3%
This suggests that (roughly) 203,000 new people enter the workforce every month and that is what we need to sustain growth.
Actual: 120,000 new jobs, unemployment drops to 8.2%
How do we explain this? Simple - while (since February) the population went up by 169,000, the workforce went down 164,000, increasing the number "not in labor force" by 333,000.
Discouraged workers actually went down in March, as did part-time and marginally attached workers. What happened?

Posted by: egd at April 06, 2012 11:50 AM (XVGEg)

213 vic, usnews.com

"Of course I am not a member of Augusta," Romney told reporters. "I don't know if I would qualify. My golf game is not that good. If I could run Augusta, which isn't likely to happen, of course I'd have women"

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:51 AM (OhYCU)

214 Then he's doing it wrong.





Ya, I know. You and I could give the conservative answer without missing a beat. He can't. It's not in him.

I hope and pray he brings a real conservative VP to the ticket. That said, I am done with Mitt bashing till after the election. Then I will bash away and pull President Romney to the right. God willing.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 11:51 AM (P6QsQ)

215 Mitt just said if he were running Augusta, he'd allow women, not that

he'd issue an executive order as POTUS forcing them to do so


And that was still the wrong answer- It's a trap question, and he got trapped by it. If he had to answer it, the correct one is "They're a private club, it's their business." A better answer, if he could pull it off is, "Next Question."

But even by saying that he'd allow women if he were running Augusta- he's buying into the meme that Augusta is some neanderthal club, and must be brought into the mainstream. This is freaking simple-

1) Highlight perceived "wrong" (Augusta doesn't allow women)
2) Gin up public outrage
a) Get prominent public personages on the record as agreeing that the current situation is somehow wrong.
b) Highlight the "numerous" "victims."
3) Affect social change.

It's their playbook every time, and we buy into it every time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:52 AM (8y9MW)

216 They could win fairfax back with a decent candidate. Fimian put people to sleep. He was an awful candidate.

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 11:52 AM (CMM9V)

217 @210 Mitt just said if he were running Augusta, he'd allow women
----------
I agree. There's nothing wrong with that statement. Moreover, I'd probably do the same.


Do we all have to agree on every social issue, irrespective of the government's involvement in it? I think that's foolish.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 11:52 AM (5H6zj)

218 jinxthecat - Connelly's seat is not a secure D. But, NOVA isn't what matters for Obama (and Kaine) it is going to be turnout in the Tidewater. Without Obama 08 enthusiasm, and with 20% unemployment that's unlikely, state wide VA will be Red. Connelly could survive, have to see how the precinct level redistricting shakes out.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 11:53 AM (WkuV6)

219 I think the correct answer is What's that to me?

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:53 AM (GTbGH)

220 "Cats are libs. They want everything immediately upon demand, with no expectation of any change in behavior."

My cat runs off the varmints (and neighbors' cats), and pre-warms the dent in the mattress where my butt goes for me. In exchange, her food is cheap, her healthcare expenses consisted of snipping her ladyparts and the occassional shot, and I compel anyone to find a more entertaining use for my weak old laser pointer from 1997 than the "OMGWTF!" game she plays with it.

My neighbors' dogs on the other hand, are loud, obnoxious, shit wherever the fuck they want, and their owners are incompetent buffons who do nothing to alter the behavior. My only weapon against them is counter-obnoxiousness in the form of one of those ultrasonic no-bark devices. Basically, my life used to be peaceful and awesome before they showed up, and now that they are there, I have to spend money in order to try and return my life to only a rough approximation of how it used to be.

Cats are conservative.
Dogs are union teamsters.

Posted by: reason at April 06, 2012 11:53 AM (XiVKO)

221
@Vic,
To be fair I never said we had an energy problem or that we needed to impliment "expensive" technology now. I'm merely saying that research should continue for various reasons. Perhaps it'd discover something less expensive that drilling or the like. Science should keep moving in absence of any "problems." X may work just fine, but you'll never discover Y unless you bother to look for it.
That being said: This is not an argument for Gov't to be shoveling money to the likes of "Green Energy Companies." Just an argument to keep looking for the unexpected.
IllTemperedCur at April 06, 2012 11:27 AM (tQoT4)
I can actually shed some light on this as a former STEM fielder (biochemistry) who left the STEMs for an advanceddegree in something else (we'll call it applied Philosophy). I'd like to think I have no problem with the hard work aspect of it (and frankly it's more hard work to change your field.) But STEM is stort of an odd thing. First off, in the biological fields, there's this "All in or not" problem. With my B.S. I barely qualified for a Lab tech job (33k/year) an M.S. actually didn't help much, and a PhD creates this really really strange situation where your job opportunites are either great or crappy depending on your paper production level in Grad school, area of expertise, etc. But the requirement to drill down to a very specific topic to get a PhD is somewhat paralyzing. Even so, if you can score an industry job the pay off is there, but if you go into academics you'll have to slog your way up the academic food chain for quite some time.
Contrast this with a business degree for example, and you'll see why people get leary of STEM fields. There's a 7 year or so committment to a PhD for uncertainty on the other end. Or there's the shorter 4 year committment for a business degree with at least some better certainty.
Granted, fields like Compsci and engineering may be better but my wife's degree is in Physics (MS) and she had trouble securing a job. It was only happenstance that she got the job she did, if we had missed it, she'd still be out of work most likely.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 11:53 AM (SYrwI)

222 Augusta? I couldn't possibly care less.

What Mitt says, he says it to garner votes. I stopped trying to view it any other way. If he's saying this to increase the female vote, then no doubt they have polling data that says it will work.

Posted by: BurtTC at April 06, 2012 11:54 AM (TOk1P)

223 AllenG - the correct answer is "the President shouldn't have time for golf"

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 11:54 AM (WkuV6)

224 Remember last year when they blamed the bad econ/jobs data on inclement weather and earthquakes in Japan?

Today they're blaming this shittier than expectwd jobs report on the mild winter.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 06, 2012 11:54 AM (KreG+)

225 Ever since I learned that the Easter Bunny and chocolate eggs are based on Pagan fertility celebrations of Spring.....I have been conflicted at this time of year.

Butselling chocolate bunnies, eggs for egghunts and Easter baskets, gives retailersa shot in the arm this time of year.....so, I guess there's that.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2012 11:54 AM (+5U+B)

226 The correct answer is.. "Obama needs to worry about the 8 millions jobs lost since he took office"

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:55 AM (OhYCU)

227 Do we all have to agree on every social issue, irrespective of the government's involvement in it? I think that's foolish.

No, but when you're running for President, you're not speaking "for yourself" however much you'd like to think you are. You're laying out public platform- whether you believe it or not.

So now Mitt Romney is on the record that he would force those evil neanderthals at Augusta to give up their tradition of admitting only men.

You know that's not what he said, I know that's not what he said, but "the people" don't. And it will be used to bring political pressure on Augusta to change that policy. And that's what annoys me.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:55 AM (8y9MW)

228 >>What Mitt says, he says it to garner votes.

This.

I thought the correct Team Position was win at all costs.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 11:55 AM (5H6zj)

229 It's their playbook every time, and we buy into it every time.

It's how they move the front line. These gratuitously accepted stipulations pile high enough to reach the moon.

Posted by: FRONT TOWARD LEFT at April 06, 2012 11:56 AM (p7SSh)

230 180
My Dad always used to say "why is it called Good Friday? It wasn't a very good day."

Theological arguments aside, I could see his point.

But I suppose that "Bad Friday" looks strange on a liturgical calendar.


Posted by: shibumi at April 06, 2012 11:38 AM (z63Tr)

My second grader told me that it was because he death opened the gates of heaven for everyone else. He's right but I was surprised by his depth of knowledge on the subject of original sin, salvation, redemption, et al.

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 11:56 AM (CMM9V)

231 I don't understand what your all talking about with we don't allow women. Who do you think brings us our samiches and drinks?

Posted by: Augusta National at April 06, 2012 11:56 AM (tf9Ne)

232 AllenG - the correct answer is "the President shouldn't have time for golf"

I like that answer.

The correct answer is.. "Obama needs to worry about the 8 millions jobs lost since he took office"

I like that one better.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:57 AM (8y9MW)

233 Let me revise that...

The correct answer is.. "I know Obama has golfed 78 times since he's been in office, and he's fixated on golf, but he needs to worry about the 8 millions jobs lost since he took office"

Posted by: cherry at April 06, 2012 11:57 AM (OhYCU)

234 the correct answer is "the President shouldn't have time for golf"


Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 11:54 AM



Perfect.

Posted by: mama winger at April 06, 2012 11:57 AM (P6QsQ)

235 On a DOOMy note, I have to drive to DC for the weekend. The belly of the damn beast. I'll be sure to flip Obama off as I drive by. Y'all be good and don't trash the place too much. Again.

Posted by: NC Ref at April 06, 2012 11:57 AM (/izg2)

236 Link to article Cherry is talking about:

http://is.gd/NK2cig


opening paragraph

Mitt Romney and Barack Obama have one thing to agree upon: Women should
be admitted as members to the all-male Augusta National Golf Club.

what he actually said

Of course I am not a member of Augusta," Romney told reporters. "I don't
know if I would qualify. My golf game is not that good. If I could run
Augusta, which isn't likely to happen, of course I'd have women"



So his actual words are less shitty but they are still shitty because everyone will still hear exactly what they said in the opening paragraph. Romney and Obama agree that Augusta National should be forced to admit women.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 11:57 AM (YdQQY)

237 So now Mitt Romney is on the record that he would force those evil neanderthals at Augusta to give up their tradition of admitting only men.
------
Really? Where do you see that?

He said that in the highly unlikely event that he were running the private club, he'd allow women.

I see nothing wrong with him saying it or with him believing it (if he does).

Look, he is going to be somewhat vulnerable on women's issues because of some of the teachings and traditions of his church. If he can throw a cheap bone at these (alleged) swing voters we've been told about, why not?

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 11:57 AM (5H6zj)

238 You see, the winter was so mild that it caused an unusual amount of construction projects to continue or begin. So theose jobs expected to add to March were already added in January and February.

Posted by: soothsayer at April 06, 2012 11:58 AM (oB2II)

239 Chocolate should be used liberally for all "fertility" rituals. In fact, those of you having trouble getting female participants should resort to chocolate.

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 11:58 AM (CMM9V)

240 Seriously, what happens in an America where the executive branch violates the law, does whatever it wants, has an AG that is in cahoots, a media complex that is sympathetic and a legislative branch that has no power to impeach?

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at April 06, 2012 11:58 AM (JIDLg)

241

or The next President won't have time for golf.

Seriously, you guys would make better campaign strategists that any the Republicans have.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 11:58 AM (GTbGH)

242 211 This explanationworks for him when he's a dedicated tenther...Hey! Don't smear me that way!Yuck.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 11:48 AM (8y9MW)
**
Didn't mean to slight you, you are trully a dedicated tenther...Mittens on the other hand...he's a cafeteria tenther.

Posted by: dananjcon at April 06, 2012 11:58 AM (8ieXv)

243
@AllenG:
Better answer: "This is between Augusta and the CEO of IBM, I suggest you go talk to her instead."
Because they tried, she said she didn't care, so they ignored her. (apparently she prefers Scuba and not hanging in stuffy rooms.)
That being said, it's a lose/lose question. If you don't answer it they'll say you're hiding your woman hatred, if you do it's wrong to someone.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 11:58 AM (SYrwI)

244 Earth orbit distance solar power satellites don't make a lot of sense either. Too much launched for the payout.

We have several generations of HCs, thousands of years of fissionables. The possibilities of small scale Bussard polywell fusion, big scale fusion.

Even if it turns out stars are the only workable fusion source we've got enough power here meanwhile to put the collectors into low solar orbit and ship the power as anti-matter without trying to fill the sky with really bad sunburn beam machines.

Unless you just want to make some areas (Afghanistan, Saudi, koff) un-traversable without smelter suit.

Posted by: DaveA at April 06, 2012 11:58 AM (onSRg)

245 Well, lessee... Sperling worked for Cuomo in the 1990's, contributing to the 1994 Republican landslide... may it be.

Posted by: LC LaWedgie at April 06, 2012 11:59 AM (0It32)

246 Well my wife is not a psychisist, but I can tell you this much about "Einstien" and re-rentry:

The Mercury capsule heat shields were made by Studebaker.

I'd advise all you post-relativist, feelings based phsychisists not to get tukaki.

Posted by: comatus at April 06, 2012 12:00 PM (ZOlM3)

247 "And it will be used to bring political pressure on Augusta to change that policy."

Which won't work at Augusta National. Those people can give two shits what anyone thinks of them.

Non issue. Romney could have used the question to hammer Barry, but didn't. That is the only thing wrong with his answer.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at April 06, 2012 12:00 PM (kaOJx)

248 Romney and Obama agree that Augusta National should be forced to admit women. No Mitt says "if he ran it", not having the Government force it. Mitt's answer is fine, a bunt, he could have hammered into seats - but he's Mitt, he'll take the bunt.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 12:00 PM (WkuV6)

249 >>>1) Highlight perceived "wrong" (Augusta doesn't allow women)
2) Gin up public outrage
a) Get prominent public personages on the record as agreeing that the current situation is somehow wrong.
b) Highlight the "numerous" "victims."
3) Affect social change.
It's their playbook every time, and we buy into it every time.

Augusta has what? 300 or so members? I've got a lot better chance of winning Mega-Millions in my life than ever becoming a member myself? It's a golf fraternity, that has built their prominence in the game of golf over the years thanks to a lot of tireless effort.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose now with dark clouds! at April 06, 2012 12:00 PM (0q2P7)

250 Breaking: Santorum's daughter Bella is back in the hospital.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 12:01 PM (5H6zj)

251 224 Remember last year when they blamed the bad econ/jobs data on inclement weather and earthquakes in Japan?

Yup. .....And evil millionaires whowere hoarding their money and not creating jobs.
Today they're blaming this shittier than expected jobs report on the mild winter.

Any excuse will do.....when it comes to liberals. ....Doesn't matter if it makes sense.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2012 12:02 PM (+5U+B)

252 He said that in the highly unlikely event that he were running the private club, he'd allow women.

Read Vic's comment @236. He's exactly right- the fact is that by addressing it, he buys into the narrative. Most people aren't going to read the full article, all they're going to know about it is the opening- that he agrees with BHO that Augusta should allow women.

Here's the thing: wading into it at all was hurting Obama. If it hadn't been, the MFM wouldn't have asked Romney- because then they could say, "Mr. Romney still hasn't commented on whether women should be allowed to join Augusta National Golf Club." Which, if you'll remember, is exactly what they did to the Republican candidates with the Trayvon Martin case.

If he'd refused to answer, or given the actual conservative answer, it wouldn't have hurt him. Instead, he assumes the PC answer is the correct one, and gives Obama cover- not to mention the Perpetually Agrieved Lefty Sh!ts (PALS), so that they can try (with renewed vigor) to influence Augusta to change their rules.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at April 06, 2012 12:02 PM (8y9MW)

253 Mitt just said if he were running Augusta, he'd allow women

Thereby robbing the Wymins Rights! crowd of their annual bitchfest. They'd have to scratch around to find something else to complain about, and most of the whiners couldn't afford the dues anyway so Augusta wouldn't have to listen to them.

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2012 12:03 PM (joSBv)

254 " Seriously, what happens in an America where the executive branch violates the law, does whatever it wants, has an AG that is in cahoots, a media complex that is sympathetic and a legislative branch that has no power to impeach?"

Sooner or later gunfire and Red Dawn 2.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at April 06, 2012 12:03 PM (kaOJx)

255 As other people have mentioned, Romney could have responded, as president I have more important things to be concerned about then membership at Augusta. I don't think this is a critical issue to the country at large and Obama's statements are nothing more than him trying to create yet another wedge issue to get votes

Posted by: TheQuietMan at April 06, 2012 12:04 PM (1Jaio)

256
Posted by: comatus at April 06, 2012 12:00 PM (ZOlM3)

I'll assume this is satire and point out that my inability to spell and type has already been mocked all over this site and the interwebs. It's a problem I have, I know, I've tried to get better, I can't. There's some stop on my ability to learn spelling. Life goes on, spellcheck is my savior. I apologize that I have this problem.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 12:04 PM (SYrwI)

257 that he agrees with BHO that Augusta should allow women

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Yeah, so what?

So do I.

I don't agree that anyone should force them to do it, but neither does Mitt. Frankly, even Obama's statement doesn't go that far.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 12:04 PM (5H6zj)

258 "Seriously, you guys would make better campaign strategists that any the Republicans have."

This is why Breitbart read the comments. He knew where the gold was hidden.
PS - Dagny - I won't forget. And neither will you.

Posted by: reason at April 06, 2012 12:04 PM (XiVKO)

259
Wolverines! Or maybe in Red Dawn 2 it will be:

Honey Badgers!

Posted by: MJ at April 06, 2012 12:05 PM (/x4oj)

260 Right, and then the headline would be "Romney refused to defend women's rights."

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 12:05 PM (CMM9V)

261 No Mitt says "if he ran it", not having the Government force it. Mitt's answer is fine, a bunt, he could have hammered into seats - but he's Mitt, he'll take the bunt.

That's bunDt. BUNDT.

Posted by: Ann Romney at April 06, 2012 12:05 PM (XiVKO)

262 Obama's statements are nothing more than him trying to create yet another wedge issue to get votes
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Yes. And Romney's answer, intentionally or not, disables that attempt.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 12:05 PM (5H6zj)

263 the Chair is against the wall

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 12:06 PM (WkuV6)

264 What he just did is cause several thousand more people to sit out the election, particularly in GA and SC. (assuming the MFM runs with this)



That will not hurt him in SC due to the wide margin a Republican will have there. But it could have some impact in GA due to the huge influx of Detroit assholes into Atlanta. GA is becoming a near purple Sate now.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 12:06 PM (YdQQY)

265 263
the Chair is against the wall


Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 12:06 PM (WkuV6)

Afghanistan banana stand. Repeat: Afghanistan banana stand.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 12:07 PM (RD7QR)

266 I think the better answer to the Augusta question would have been "Really, does Obama think about anything but golf?" How many times has he been out? Then make it a Prez Golfsalot thing and the left will quit asking the question because it hurts the fucknugget.

Posted by: dagny doesn't want to forget Andrew at April 06, 2012 12:07 PM (CMM9V)

267 This Agusta nontroversy makes me wish that Chris Christie was running. He would have something swarthily delicious to come back with on the matter. And then after all the femynyst outrage, he'd double-down.

Quit hogging all the Christie, NJ.

Posted by: reason at April 06, 2012 12:07 PM (XiVKO)

268 If he'd refused to answer, or given the actual conservative answer, it wouldn't have hurt him.
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The actual conservative answer? WTF?

There's an official conservative position on this? Gee, I can't wait to see the GOP Platform.


Very few here dislike Mitt as much as I do, but gosh almighty there is nothing wrong with his answer. It is one of several legitimate ways to play this issue.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 12:08 PM (5H6zj)

269 These employment numbers and inflation numbers that the Oblahblah Administration is pumping out....are bogus. ....We know this.

As the year progresses towards the election, we are really going to need a way to illustrate how bogus these numbers are. .....Otherwise, the Lies will be accepted as 'fact'.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2012 12:09 PM (+5U+B)

270 joncelli - I really want Rush to add OSS type call outs at the top of the hour lead in on election days

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 12:09 PM (WkuV6)

271 Very few here dislike Mitt as much as I do, but gosh
almighty there is nothing wrong with his answer. It is one of several
legitimate ways to play this issue.

Posted by: Y-not at April 06, 2012 12:08 PM (5H6zj)
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You saw what US News did with it right? If this had been COD, Sharan Angle, or even Perry the "moderates" here would be calling it a gaffe.

It wasn't a gaffe, but the response wasn't very good either and just opened up another hole to exploit.

Posted by: Vic at April 06, 2012 12:11 PM (YdQQY)

272 In case someone hasn't pointed it out to Andy, it's Good Friday no matter what one's religion.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at April 06, 2012 12:12 PM (nEUpB)

273 "It wasn't a gaffe, but the response wasn't very good either and just opened up another hole to exploit. "

FORE!

Posted by: King Putt at April 06, 2012 12:13 PM (sPO/s)

274 It wasn't a gaffe, but the response wasn't very good either and just opened up another hole to exploit.Posted by: Vic

Bullshit. We won't hear another thing about it after next week.

Posted by: weft cut-loop at April 06, 2012 12:14 PM (JEpGb)

275 Vic Nailed that. It's sad though when "not gaffes" effectively become gaffes thanks to the media.

Posted by: tsrblke at April 06, 2012 12:14 PM (SYrwI)

276 Dagny, chocolate, fertility best discussed on ONT. Bring it up later, we'll roll around in it.

I just do not see the sense in the market binge engendered at Halloween, Thanksgiving, Christmas, The Presidents' Days White Sale!, Valentines and Easter. There may have been an advantage once, when production and logistics were more limited. Now, it appears only to set up brief periods of artificial shortage. That's occasionally good for pricing, but it's an absolute drag on makers and shippers to bring in temp help for a rush season, and then get stuck with varied amounts of what did not move.

Some small part of these may have been natural once. Easter bonnets were an actual tradition. Some extra eggs are of course called for. But why exacerbate matters with all the rush advertising? You're going to sell the same amount of new suits over the season anyway.

It's the Significant Female who has the marketing degree (and, therefore, works as an IT manager). I'm only certified for English and that applied-philosophy thing. Maybe someone can explain it all.

Posted by: comatus at April 06, 2012 12:15 PM (ZOlM3)

277 224 Today they're blaming this shittier than expectwd jobs report on the mild winter.

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I blame global warming. Not only does it make the extremes more extreme, it also makes the milds more mild.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 06, 2012 12:15 PM (NmR1a)

278 Today would be Good Friday whether I were a Christian or not. Political correctness has invaded the moron horde

Posted by: Bill R. at April 06, 2012 12:16 PM (ZjexS)

279 The MFM would bitch about Romney's answer no matter what he said. It's what they do. Have they twisted his 'if I ran Augusta' answer into the 'He sees himself as part of the rich white guy club' headline yet?

Posted by: Retread at April 06, 2012 12:17 PM (joSBv)

280 253 Thereby robbing the Wymins Rights! crowd of their annual bitchfest.

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Nonsense. They'd still have national violence against women day the superbowl.

Posted by: Anachronda at April 06, 2012 12:17 PM (NmR1a)

281 i think all womyn should be forced to join augusta.....forced!!!! do you hear me!!!!!!! ////

Posted by: phoenixgirl at April 06, 2012 12:19 PM (Ho2rs)

282 DOOM! I missed you Friend.

Posted by: Apu at April 06, 2012 12:19 PM (ndlFj)

283 270
joncelli - I really want Rush to add OSS type call outs at the top of the hour lead in on election days


Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 12:09 PM (WkuV6)

You mean just to play with the lefties' heads? I like that...

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at April 06, 2012 12:20 PM (RD7QR)

284 281
yep...govt provided birth control if you think about it a bit

Posted by: eurw at April 06, 2012 12:20 PM (Dw0cK)

285 i think all womyn should be forced to join augusta.....forced!!!! do you hear me!!!!!!!

Under the circumstances....I don't want to belong, but I do want to complain about it.

Posted by: Groucho Marx's sister at April 06, 2012 12:22 PM (joSBv)

286 @256 yasurefine, but, what's not plain-Newtonian about orbital decay and re-entry? The Mercury shields really were made by Studebaker. Scott Carpenter came back 1/22,000th of a second less old, but for that to be a factor you'd have to be running out to the edge of the System.

I stoutly believe that post-Newtonian physics is a justification for certain Viennese perversions. Now all of science has fallen down that black hole.

Posted by: comatus at April 06, 2012 12:22 PM (ZOlM3)

287 276.....You're going to sell the same amount of new suits over the season anyway.

I'm not so sure about this, comatus. .....Without the 'forced buying' associated with observing a Holiday, a lot of those sales wouldn't happen....at all.

At Easter, for example, there is the ...."Omg, I have to buy a new dress for Sunday service...and the kids need a new outfit too!" ....Not to mention all the stuff to buy for the Easter Egg Hunt in the afternoon.

It's nothing new, though. .....Festivals have always been a big boon to retailers, dating back to ancient times.

Posted by: wheatie at April 06, 2012 12:22 PM (+5U+B)

288 #278 - you Johnny-come-lately Christians sure are pushy.....

Posted by: the Butcher at April 06, 2012 12:24 PM (8g9qq)

289 Posted by: the Butcher at April 06, 2012 12:24 PM (8g9qq)
Why, thank you!

Posted by: Bill R. at April 06, 2012 12:28 PM (ZjexS)

290 I am telling you morons. If you want to make a woman happy, take her shopping and buy her a nice pair of shoes. You know, to pretty-up those fugly feet.


Posted by: Jimbo at April 06, 2012 12:36 PM (O3R/2)

291 I wouldn't want to join a club whose standards are low enough to accept me.


Posted by: Jimbo at April 06, 2012 12:37 PM (O3R/2)

292 Today marks the day the Son of God who is also his Father and is God, in an infinite existence spanning at least the universe's 13.7 billion years, had a really bad long weekend before returning to heaven and eternal rulership over everything, in order to be able to forgive a certain tiny percentage of humanity who happen to believe a 14 or 15 year old girl's tale about being impregnated by God and not via the usual method ... so that he, who created you, does not have to punish you for an infinity of horrible torture for not measuring up to the impossible to meet arbitrary standard that he met. However, if you do prostrate yourself before Jesus, whom one presumes was resurrected, then you get to praise Him and God and the Holy Spirit throughout eternity. While many of your former family members and beloved friends roast.

It's a great holiday. It brings tears to my eyes.

Posted by: Random at April 06, 2012 12:41 PM (K2Fsb)

293 It brings tears to my eyes.

Soon enough, meat man.

Posted by: toby928© at April 06, 2012 12:45 PM (GTbGH)

294 comatus - the way science is handled today, Einstein's work would have been buried under a load of ad hominem attacks on his "personal" life.

Posted by: Jean at April 06, 2012 12:46 PM (WkuV6)

295 "Soon enough, meat man."

This month, in fact.

Posted by: Random at April 06, 2012 12:46 PM (K2Fsb)

296 146We do have a looming problem, which is that there aren't enough of our best and brightest people willing to go the STEM route because the payoff isn't there in terms of salary.

Posted by: pep at April 06, 2012 11:20 AM (6TB1Z)
There's another problem: the career path. Scientists and engineers are the first people a company fires when it gets in trouble, because it'll be years before anyone realizes that the pipeline is empty. Sales, marketing, accounting, and legal are sacrosanct, to maintain the Potemkin village.Scientists over 40 are also at risk of being replaced by brand new (and therefore cheaper) Ph.D.s, because business guys figure that one Ph.D. is equivalent to another, so go with the cheaper. Would they want their surgery performed by a brand new MD, or the head of surgery at Johns Hopkins?

Posted by: Jay Guevara at April 06, 2012 12:58 PM (QXr3F)

297 Obama lied. Employment died.

Posted by: Anony at April 06, 2012 01:02 PM (qiXMt)

298 Hey Random? Bad news for you ...

There's some debate about whether atheists or non-Christians generally go to the Bad Place. But people who get their jollies by going someplace uninvited and causing chaos - on Good Friday no less - definitely are in line for the barbed cock of Satan. So limber up those lips

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 06, 2012 01:50 PM (QTHTd)

299 DOOM! I missed you Friend.

It's good to see it here again . . .

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 06, 2012 01:52 PM (QTHTd)

300 Small tid-bit, and utterly off-topic. Next Friday is Good Friday, today is only such in the West.

the sinner,

Patrick

Posted by: Patrick at April 06, 2012 01:56 PM (7NF25)

301 New Doom thread up, employment-themed

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at April 06, 2012 01:58 PM (QTHTd)

302 This month, in fact.

So did you try ANYTHING positive?
Did you go tell everyone you QUIT?

The Good News is God Loves You, the bad is he won't stop you from murdering yourself and that might not fix your problem.

Posted by: DaveA at April 06, 2012 02:00 PM (onSRg)

303 Unfortunately, there's no 3rd-day resurrection this time around.

Posted by: steveegg at April 06, 2012 02:08 PM (o44nj)

304
Not necessarily; I'm Serbian Orthodox - my Easter is next Sunday. I'll be scoopin' up the discounts on Monday!

Posted by: the Butcher
Amen, brother! Discounted candy and grilled lamb next Sunday! :-)

Posted by: RedMindBlueState at April 06, 2012 02:27 PM (cdTYq)

305 Doom to those who spout that "PC is dead" poop! Amen! ArsTechnica scoops the new PS3 and XBox replacements (codenames Orbis and Durango)andputs these consoles right back where they belong, squarely under the hobnail boots of the mighty and mercilessPC! Repent!http://tinyurl.com/6qequd7

Posted by: And Irresolute at April 06, 2012 02:55 PM (RC3M9)

306 They both taste like chicken.

Posted by: grease monkey at April 06, 2012 02:57 PM (VSWPU)

307 The Daily DOOM was always my favorite thing--thanks for bringing it back, Andy!!

Posted by: Lexi Khan at April 06, 2012 04:16 PM (0PduM)

308 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at April 06, 2012 05:04 PM (7W3wI)






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