In 140 Cities, Protests In Favor of Religious Liberty, Against ObamaCare

Today, at 12 pm local time (time varies by city), the 59% are demanding freedom.

The Coalition to Stop the HHS Mandate, which is being coordinated by the Illinois-based Pro-Life Action League; and includes multiple pro-life, social conservative, and religious groups, including Human Life International, The Becket Fund for Religious Liberty, the Alliance Defense Fund, and Priests for Life; have organized the "Stand Up For Religious Freedom" rallies "in defense of religious freedom and STAND UP against the Obama administration's HHS mandate at federal building in cities across the country."

Newsbusters asks if the media will cover the protests, noting, of course, they couldn't wait to cover Occupy (and before that, the "Coffee Party" that took this nation by storm, much like Air America).

I think we already know the answer.

Posted by: Ace at 12:44 PM



Comments

1 Again, if there is no interstate market in insurance, why is it subject to federal regulation?

Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 12:46 PM (MMC8r)

2 I have heard nothing about this at all.

Posted by: toby928 feels pessimistic at March 23, 2012 12:46 PM (GTbGH)

3 I'm on vacation.

Posted by: Bob Schieffer at March 23, 2012 12:46 PM (NOwGM)

4 Nothing to see here....move along. This is a non-event.

Posted by: Lord Barky's MSM at March 23, 2012 12:47 PM (4GgJq)

5 Again, if there is no interstate market in insurance, why is it subject to federal regulation?

Because shut the fuck up that's why.

Posted by: Barack Obama at March 23, 2012 12:48 PM (NOwGM)

6 If anyone has local reports, could you post them here? I wanted to go, but I'm the guy who has to keep the library open today. God bless them all.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at March 23, 2012 12:48 PM (g9neE)

7 >>>I think we already know the answer.

Who? What?

Look Romney said something stupid!!!! OMGZ!!! Roll it all NIGHT!!!

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 12:48 PM (0q2P7)

8 I only heard that there would be a rally at the Supreme Court on Monday. Now I see there is one downtown at Federal Hall in Manhattan.

Had I known, I might have been able to go. That's the problem with people on our side. We have to do frivolous things like work or, more likely, look for work.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at March 23, 2012 12:48 PM (Af3Wg)

9 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 12:49 PM (8y9MW)

10

Will these protest involve poop?

Posted by: ows crowd at March 23, 2012 12:50 PM (M+UUq)

11 1 Again, if there is no interstate market in insurance, why is it subject to federal regulation?
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 12:46 PM (MMC8r)

Early contender for thread winner, as usual from nickless. But allow me to answer you: If you don't buy insurance, then it's going to cost mroe for someone else, and it's impossible to kno what state that other person is in. So, not buying something has a greater impact on interstate commerce than buying something might have.

I think this argument was actually used by some female federal judge from a dairy state last year to uphold obamacare.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 12:51 PM (I2LwF)

12 I'll be there to pass out some Obama nail polish. If you don't take it with a smile, I will throw buckets of my accumulated feces on you.
Because I represent the 99%.

Posted by: Occupooper at March 23, 2012 12:51 PM (xvtYZ)

13 Are these the people wearing hoodies? No? Oh, I haven't seen any coverage of this then.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 12:51 PM (/Mla1)

14
Ace:

Not to tell you how to do your job, but you can't hide from this looming 'IF I HAD A SON, HE'D LOOK LIKE TRAYVON' disaster.

Irealize thatthe thought of this race stuffmakes you Squishy-Cons all, well,squishy, but Axelrod and Soros are planning a race war for our immediate future, and you can't just stick your head in the sand and thrust your posterior in the air on this one.

Or can you?!?

Posted by: Barney Frank at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (F5Rm1)

15 We have to do frivolous things like work or, more likely, look for work.

And we have terrible communication. If they'd let people know in some concerted way (and it would take effort, and they'd have to deign to post on some "second tier" blogs) that it was going on, some more might have been able to attend.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (8y9MW)

16 There's one in Anchorage at noon. I'll zip on down there and spend a lunch hour. It's a beautiful sunny day.

Posted by: Bosk at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (n2K+4)

17 I suppose that if this is upheld, next will come the mandate that all households put up a velvet painting of the Turd-in-Chief in their living room.

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (mSAq8)

18 Forget it, wingnuts. Nothing right now compares to the Sanford March.

Posted by: The MBM at March 23, 2012 12:53 PM (/ZZCn)

19 I want to be at the DC protest on Saturday. And Sunday. And Monday. But these things cost money. Even though my current job is job-hunting, and therefore has very flexible hours, I still don't have the 2 grand it would cost me to go to DC and camp out for a week.

It cost me about $350 to go to DC for 20 hours during the Obamacare debate. It wouldn't be cheaper this time; I'd have to bring my wife.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 12:53 PM (I2LwF)

20 I think this argument was actually used by some female federal judge from a dairy state last year to uphold obamacare.

Geez. I think I even remember that.

Even reading that makes me feel dirty. And dumber.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 12:53 PM (8y9MW)

21 Link to locations in my name.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 23, 2012 12:53 PM (XdlcF)

22 The Coalition to Stop the HHS Mandate?
Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charles Gibson at March 23, 2012 12:54 PM (xvtYZ)

23 2
I have heard nothing about this at all.

Same here.

Posted by: Obama Made Me A Racist at March 23, 2012 12:54 PM (EL+OC)

24 First time hearing of this, but I already know about May 1st no Chores Day. The right sucks on communicating even within itself.

Posted by: dib at March 23, 2012 12:54 PM (aRwtY)

25 There's one getting ready to start in Fort Worth

Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2012 12:55 PM (mSAq8)

26 FML

I was filling up my bath tub (we have well water) because storms are moving through my area, when my dog started choking (12 year old Samoyed) so I ask my daughter to turn the water off.

Well, she didn't and I now have water all over my bathroom and it leaked gallons and gallons of it down into my garage. All over all of our storage stuff.

I'm just waiting for the tub (huge whirlpool) to crash through the floor before cleaning up the mess in the garage .

Posted by: momma at March 23, 2012 12:56 PM (oKsWl)

27 Irealize thatthe thought of this race stuffmakes you Squishy-Cons all, well,squishy, but Axelrod and Soros are planning a race war for our immediate future, and you can't just stick your head in the sand and thrust your posterior in the air on this one.Or can you?!?

Shut up, we know. What's the point in talking about something that's so obvious? Ace also didn't tell us that air exists. But that doesn't mean he's hiding from the fact.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 12:56 PM (I2LwF)

28 Or can you?!?


Posted by: Barney Frank at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (F5Rm1)

Dude, you've got to be a troll.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 12:56 PM (RD7QR)

29 >>>I think this argument was actually used by some

It is actual opinion of the Supreme Court. The landmark case that expanded power of the commerce clause beyond reason stipulated that goods produced (on a farm) for private consumption on the farm, and so never entered into commerce, were still subject to the interstate commerce clause because having grown such produce eliminated the need to buy said produce and therefore *affected* interstate commerce, and so the original activity of growing your own food such that you did not have to buy it could be regulated under the commerce clause.

That is the current guiding opinion of the Supreme Court. And if they don't walk that back some, Obamacare *is* Constitutional.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 12:56 PM (0q2P7)

30 The right sucks on communicating even within itself.

Yeah, we're all busy suffering through movie reviews on political blogs. Imagine that?

Posted by: Obama Made Me A Racist at March 23, 2012 12:57 PM (EL+OC)

31 This ain't news, one woman lying about spending 3000 a year on birth control and then being called a slut, that's news.

Posted by: Mr Pink at March 23, 2012 12:58 PM (ZvMnN)

32 Or can you?!?

If only there were some kind of internet service where anyone could let the world benefit from reading their opinions, for free. It would have to be large though, on the order of a Google corporation.

Posted by: blogspot.com at March 23, 2012 12:58 PM (GTbGH)

33 Obviously we need giant papier mache puppets heads. It's not a true protest until the puppet heads show up.

Also I saw a link at Insty about Maher flapping his pie hole about Sunday being some kind of amnesty from taking offense day. Tell you what, Raglefant, you go first and then we'll talk.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 12:58 PM (VtjlW)

34 I posted a link to the Stand Up rallies in the sidebar on like Monday I think.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 12:59 PM (I2LwF)

35 "Freedom"

Freedom to get reamed by insurance companies and providers, you mean?

Posted by: Knucklehead id at March 23, 2012 12:59 PM (hFrDa)

36
Newsbusters asks if the media will cover the protests, noting, of
course, they couldn't wait to cover Occupy (and before that, the "Coffee
Party" that took this nation by storm, much like Air America).









But the MFM'll be out with bells on to cover Atheist Woodstock on the Mall tomorrow.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2012 12:59 PM (XCHGh)

37
Or can you?!?
Posted by: Barney Frank at March 23, 2012 12:52 PM (F5Rm1)


Yes, because I'm sure it's a big conspiracy with Ace trying to bury the story, and not that he just hasn't got to it yet.

Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 12:59 PM (/Mxso)

38 17 I suppose that if this is upheld, next will come the mandate that all households put up a velvet painting of the Turd-in-Chief in their living room.

No, silly. You must have my brand on your butt, in order to receive health care.

It can be a tatoo. Or it can be put on your ass with a branding iron. Your choice. .....Now, you can't say that I didn't give you any choices.

Posted by: Lord Barky at March 23, 2012 12:59 PM (4GgJq)

39 That is the current guiding opinion of the Supreme Court. And if they don't walk that back some, Obamacare *is* Constitutional.

Not so. ObamaCare is a step yet further, so they could strike down OCare w/o walking back that old opinion. Remember that- by US Congressional action back in the day- there is no interstate market for Health Insurance. You cannot obtain Health Insurance across state lines.

Therefore, Health Insurance cannot (logically) be regulated as "Interstate Commerce."

Now, I hope that SCOTUS will take the opportunity to walk back so much of that Commerce crap that's happened in the last 70 years or so, but they won't. So I'll settle for them striking down OCare.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 12:59 PM (8y9MW)

40 And starring in the role of The Chicken today, ergie.

Posted by: blogspot.com at March 23, 2012 01:00 PM (GTbGH)

41 Freedom to get reamed by insurance companies and providers, you mean?

In what fucking universe does removing competition make things cheaper? If it were so, then the USSR would have buried us and not the other way around.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:01 PM (I2LwF)

42 Just like the Right toNOT let us know that it is time to go out and burn our cars and our businesses and our schools! Geeezz! Glen and Rush didn't mention this, did they? Rick and Mitt and Newt seem to have forgotten to bring it up, A protest needs publicity!

Posted by: And Irresolute at March 23, 2012 01:01 PM (RC3M9)

43 The lead story at Fox? Hunger Games. No room for protests about religious freedom.

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 01:02 PM (YdQQY)

44 And starring in the role of The Chicken today, ergie.


Posted by: blogspot.com at March 23, 2012 01:00 PM (GTbGH)


ergie does the morning early afternoon shift raykon is late afternoon evening shift.

Posted by: YIKES! at March 23, 2012 01:03 PM (M+UUq)

45 @4
Forget it , Barney.

There's a reason Sharpton and hi evil allies take advantage of tragedies that can be twisted to allege a racial motivation. And a reason Obama leaps feet first onto the train.

Race-related discussion is Squishy Con kryptonite . And they (Unreverent Al inc.) know it.

Posted by: reality check at March 23, 2012 01:03 PM (Zw/H7)

46 Fox is now to the left of CNN.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:03 PM (I2LwF)

47 The lead story at Fox? Hunger Games.

Yay!

Posted by: Jessica Simpson-Struthers at March 23, 2012 01:04 PM (vbh31)

48 You want the media to notice - bring guns.

This is basically where I got kicked out of LGFland - advocating violence. Hell, everyone loves a parade.

What if the NRA had a impeach Holder hour -- pick a random Saturday morning in July, identify on street corner per zipcode, and have 500 riflemen show up and stand quietly for an hour. Do you think the Communists would get the message.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 01:04 PM (WkuV6)

49 SE PA checking in: The local Catholic schools, parishes and Knights in ChesCo have publicized it pretty well; if I didn't have a sick toddler, I'd be there.

The OWS turds are planning a counter-protest. So, protesting religious liberty falls under the purview of OWS, apparently.

Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 01:04 PM (SJC5V)

50 Well, I guess I'll be taking a small trip into downtown San Diego today.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 23, 2012 01:06 PM (kqqGm)

51 Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 12:51 PM (I2LwF)

I am not sure that....what does that mean exactly....but logically....

Huh?

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 01:06 PM (nEUpB)

52 >>>and you can't just stick your head in the sand and thrust your posterior in the air on this one.
Or can you?!?

Hey listen stormfront Ahole. A race war might be incited by the left it may not. I do not think the chance is 100% definite. We can try to avoid it by not fanning an us against them attitude that you seem so willing to buy into. It's almost like your waiting for it, wanting it, dreaming about it, needing to get others on board with you.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 01:06 PM (0q2P7)

53 No shit, CBD

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (I2LwF)

54 49
SE PA checking in: The local Catholic schools, parishes and Knights in
ChesCo have publicized it pretty well; if I didn't have a sick toddler,
I'd be there.

The OWS turds are planning a counter-protest. So, protesting religious liberty falls under the purview of OWS, apparently.


Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 01:04 PM (SJC5V)

Maybe this got more play in Catholic circles than in conservative circles. It still would be good if the two groups would communicate with each other on common interests.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (RD7QR)

55 Just went to check out Amberen as it is advertised on Rush. The Amazon reviews have been comment spammed by the Media Matters Crowd. If anyone wants to counter spam, here is the link http://tinyurl.com/7e8h5da

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (u50z0)

56 You'd have a better chance betting orange on a roulette wheel than betting on the media to devote significant coverage to these protests.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (f8XyF)

57 Ace, it's time to ban/report Jean at March 23, 2012 01:04 PM (WkuV6).

See post 48.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (kqqGm)

58 Oh, clp, where in SEPA? I'm in Lansdale/North Wales.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 01:08 PM (RD7QR)

59 Actually, Mike, I think the evidence is overwhelming that a race war is one of the elements of the chaos they are planning and wishing for on the left. OTOH, that doesn't mean we have to buy into it too.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:08 PM (I2LwF)

60
Do you buy BUTTER from the AMISH with the funny BEARDS?

Posted by: soothsayerwing plover at March 23, 2012 01:08 PM (jUytm)

61 56 You'd have a better chance betting orange on a roulette wheel than betting on the media to devote significant coverage to these protests.
Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (f8XyF)


lol that's awesome

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:09 PM (I2LwF)

62 I was at the Federal Courthouse in downtown Philly today. (Ironically it's cater-corner to Independence Hall). Saw no protests of any kind, but it was a bit ear;y, about 9:30 this morning.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 01:09 PM (YmPwQ)

63 clp and joncelli, heard nothing out here at my wife's church in San Diego.

Then again, I'm not sure how Catholic Bob Brom is.

Posted by: John P. Squibob at March 23, 2012 01:10 PM (kqqGm)

64 What if the NRA had a impeach Holder hour -- pick a random Saturday
morning in July, identify on street corner per zipcode, and have 500
riflemen show up and stand quietly for an hour. Do you think the
Communists would get the message.


Guess the MENSA meeting got out early today. Thanks for sharing.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 23, 2012 01:10 PM (+lsX1)

65 MFM
What rallies??? Where??

Etch-A-Sketch!!!!

Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 01:11 PM (iYbLN)

66 AllenG, I did get an email about this rally; I'd have to double-check from whom. Unfortunately, I couldn't go, because we only have one car. I could have driven my husband into work, but that's an extra 70 miles or so on the car when I do so.

Posted by: Barb the Evil Genius at March 23, 2012 01:12 PM (MyByM)

67 There go them Icky Christians again!

Posted by: Barnak the Hurrible at March 23, 2012 01:12 PM (8ieXv)

68
Now I know why Ace hasn't said a peep about Zimmerman/Martin.

And I don't blame him.

Some people just can't accept reality. Zimmerman is indefensible in this case. Period.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:13 PM (jUytm)

69 48....What if the NRA had a impeach Holder hour -- pick a random Saturday morning in July, identify on street corner per zipcode, and have 500 riflemen show up and stand quietly for an hour. Do you think the Communists would get the message.

I love this idea. Now that's what I'm talkin about. Please do this. Because then, I will have the perfect excuse to crack down on all you bitter clingers and consfiscate your illegal weapons.

Posted by: Lord Barky at March 23, 2012 01:13 PM (4GgJq)

70 OT...Gas 4.22 a gallon here. Up .08 in less than 10 days.

Posted by: Bosk at March 23, 2012 01:13 PM (n2K+4)

71 63
clp and joncelli, heard nothing out here at my wife's church in San Diego.

Then again, I'm not sure how Catholic Bob Brom is.


Posted by: John P. Squibob


San Diego County Admin Building
1600 Pacific Highway

Noon to 1pm

Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 01:13 PM (iYbLN)

72 Destroy the left wing media complex.

Hi Andrew.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at March 23, 2012 01:14 PM (SuBE0)

73 puppehtoff

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2012 01:14 PM (NOwGM)

74 Not so. ObamaCare is a step yet further, so they could strike down OCare
w/o walking back that old opinion. Remember that- by US Congressional
action back in the day- there is no interstate market for Health
Insurance. You cannot obtain Health Insurance across state lines.

Therefore, Health Insurance cannot (logically) be regulated as "Interstate Commerce."


They could try that. It would be one of the poorest non sequitur opinions they have ever written. You miss the absolute huge power of the farm opinion. While your decision to buy or not buy health insurance does not directly affect interstate commerce, it most certainly INDIRECTLY affects it because a number of health products DO have interstate markets.

The fact that your health insurance didn't enter into interstate commerce is irrelevant. Just like the fact that the farmers produce never entered into commerce was irrelevant. It affected some product someplace that WAS in interstate commerce.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 01:14 PM (0q2P7)

75 AllenG, I did get an email about this rally;

I'm not saying no-one knows, I'm saying not enough people know. I didn't know about it- a few others have also said this is the first they've heard.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:15 PM (8y9MW)

76 If the president wasn't interested in stirring up a race war, or a riot, or something over thie FL shooting... he could have said, "I don't know what happened. I trust the local and state authorities. Let's let the process work."
Instead he said, "He looks like he could be my son" or something inflammatory like that. Linked himself personally to the shooting victim.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:15 PM (I2LwF)

77 I guess the police acted stupidly again in the Trevon shooting?

Posted by: Caunotaucarius at March 23, 2012 01:15 PM (4XW7X)

78 Unfortunately, I couldn't go, because we only have one car. I could have driven my husband into work, but that's an extra 70 miles or so on the car when I do so.

Just wear a diaper. That's what I do.

Posted by: Lisa Nowak at March 23, 2012 01:15 PM (NOwGM)

79 I understand Jean's frustration. The libs won't take conservatives seriously until they have reason to fear us.

Look at Muslims. Nobody in the media gave a damn about a bunch of bearded goatfuckers. But murder 3,000 people in one morning and suddenly "Islamophobia" is a national crisis!

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 23, 2012 01:17 PM (v9Kjt)

80 Unlike the usual suspects in the MFM and the administration I am waiting for the facts to come out in the Martin shooting.

All I know is that it will not end well no matter what the outcome.

Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 01:17 PM (iYbLN)

81 I believe that my interviews with the participants of these events were highly enlightening. Enlightening to the knuckle-dragger participants, I mean.

Posted by: Susan Roesgen, Formerly of CNN, Now Holding A Squeegee and Spray Bottle on a Freeway Off Ramp at March 23, 2012 01:17 PM (QKKT0)

82 If the MSM does cover this it will be to expose the violent, racist, homophobic actions of these vicious crowds! God knows that when you get a Methodist or Catholic riled up there is no telling what they'll do!
/s

Posted by: Cheri at March 23, 2012 01:19 PM (G+Wff)

83 Jean, you can't say the word "gun". The libs have made it anathema. I don't even think "crossbows" would be ok. Not even without arrows. I think condoms and sunscreen are the only "ok-ed" protection. Remember that a target on an unaffiliated website sent the whole media into paroxysms of hysteria, imagine what an actual weapon would do? Obama would throw out posse comitatus and invoke martial law.

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 23, 2012 01:19 PM (u50z0)

84
Are you serious?

Of course the police acted stupidly. They let off a man who pretty much stalked and hunted down an unarmed 19 yr old.

You show up at the scene and with just a few simple questions, along with the 911 call, it becomes obvious that Zimmerman had no good reason to shoot and kill Martin.

The police are fucking stupid in that city.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:19 PM (jUytm)

85 SCOTUS is basicly determining whether or not democrats can force people to buy a Prius, and if not you will subject to a fine of the price of a prius.

Posted by: Saddam at March 23, 2012 01:19 PM (UpwlP)

86 The fact that your health insurance didn't enter into interstate
commerce is irrelevant. Just like the fact that the farmers produce
never entered into commerce was irrelevant. It affected some product
someplace that WAS in interstate commerce.


Incorrect.

There already was an interstate market for produce (wheat, corn, or whatever he was growing. Wheat, I think). So he was "affecting" (by their illogic) the specific market for what he was growing. They weren't saying that his growing wheat affected the interstate market for corn (or, more apt for our illustration: cattle)- they were saying that his growing wheat- and therefore not buying wheat- was affecting the interstate market for wheat.

Applied to HC, there is no interstate market in Health Insurance. Therefore, for them to say Congress can regulate it, they have to tie a specifically intrastate market to a product for which there is an interstate market. Which is not something that couldn't be done, but it is something they haven't done, to date.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:20 PM (8y9MW)

87 Oh, snap. The Rhode Island Stand Up rally is being held in the same park which is occupied by the Occupoopers.

I should bring a camera and some popcorn.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:20 PM (I2LwF)

88 oops, too late. It's already done.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:20 PM (I2LwF)

89 If the president wasn't interested in stirring up a race war,


The Left has a rolodex of plans for this campaign year.

At any event, large or small, somewhere in the country, they flip through their filecards and pull out the already-written plan. Rush? Media Matters is ready. Shooting in Florida? There's a plan for that, too.

It's propaganda and preparing the battlefield. They're not going to just run on their record.

Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 01:21 PM (MMC8r)

90 The best outcome we can hope for in the Martin/Zimmerman case is that Zimmerman allows himself to be bullied into a plea bargain. We'll still get a month or so of yet another fucking "national conversation about race" but not much else.

I will point out that a real "long hot summer" of racial riots and violence will note exactly boost Obama's re-election prospects, so he and his media pals may not want to stoke this particular fire too much. However, they are pretty fucking stupid and may go ahead and do it anyway.

Posted by: Trimegistus at March 23, 2012 01:22 PM (v9Kjt)

91 This whole shooting thing is not going to end well. Too many peeps putting their reps on the line, goading...

I wonder though. If the sh#t really hits the fan, will anyone blame Sharpton for instigating this? Or even Obama, who should know better than to get involved?

Probably not. But most of us who see what is happening will...

Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 01:23 PM (KB0hv)

92 I'd shit on a cop car if I thought it would help

Posted by: Not an OWS protester at March 23, 2012 01:23 PM (2cfUo)

93 84 Because he looked like Obama?

Posted by: dagny loved andrew at March 23, 2012 01:23 PM (u50z0)

94 You show up at the scene and with just a few simple questions, along
with the 911 call, it becomes obvious that Zimmerman had no good reason
to shoot and kill Martin.


Well, beyond the fact he may have been getting beaten to a pulp. Other than that, no reason at all.

Could the entire altercation have been avoided? Yes. But once it began, who is responsible? Is it all solely on Zimmerman, or does the "unarmed 19 yr old" bear some responsibility for escalating the situation to physical violence?

My answer to that last question is "I don't know." I suspect you don't, either. Because I doubt either of us know who actually took the confrontation from verbal to physical.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:23 PM (8y9MW)

95 The Florida shooting still has a lower body count than Freddie's Fashion Mart.

Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 01:23 PM (MMC8r)

96 speaking of the coffee party, whatever happened to the "No Labels" movement? they seem to be keeping a low profile.

Posted by: exceller at March 23, 2012 01:24 PM (jx2Td)

97 Haha, Elizabeth Warren calls the president a monkey. Link my my sig.

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:24 PM (I2LwF)

98 dagny - I know. It would send them into spasms. Esp. the standing quietly part, in clean decent clothes, without littering or shitting on the streets, ...

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 01:25 PM (WkuV6)

99 speaking of the coffee party, whatever happened to the "No Labels" movement? they seem to be keeping a low profile.

Since they refused to label anyone, everyone kept getting confused when they'd complain about something.

"Who did X?"
"We said No Labels!"
"Well, yes, but if I don't know who did it, I can't very well hold them accountable, can I?"
"NO! LABELS!"
"Oh. Right. F it, then."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:26 PM (8y9MW)

100 >>>There already was an interstate market for produce

The fact that a similar product was being in interstate commerce. Does not change the fact that the products in question were not in interstate commerce. All affects to interstate commerce were indirect. That is the products in question didn't enter into interstate commerce, but affected products that were in interstate commerce. Similarity of products is not relevant to the discussion.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 01:27 PM (0q2P7)

101 I will point out that a real "long hot summer" of racial riots and
violence will note exactly boost Obama's re-election prospects, so he
and his media pals may not want to stoke this particular fire too much.



Also hispanic-black race relations are not the "correct" fire to be stoking (especially because they generally hate each other), so from now on they will only be mentioning the race of the victim. Unlike the initial reports which all referred to the shooter as "white".

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 01:27 PM (Fz7+s)

102 Those no labels people... imagine what their spice racks must look like

Posted by: Truman North at March 23, 2012 01:27 PM (I2LwF)

103 Because I doubt either of us know who actually took the confrontation from verbal to physical. Zimmerman's error was only firing one shot, he is lucky there is only one story to tell.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 01:27 PM (WkuV6)

104 >>speaking of the coffee party, whatever happened to the "No Labels" movement? they seem to be keeping a low profile.

Bloomberg banned donations to them because of the salt content.

Posted by: Mama AJ at March 23, 2012 01:27 PM (XdlcF)

105 speaking of the coffee party, whatever happened to the "No Labels" movement? they seem to be keeping a low profile.

Their t-shirt sales were a total bust. Nobody would pay to buy a blank t-shirt.

Posted by: Cicero at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (QKKT0)

106 Soothsayer there are at least 2eyewitness accounts of the
Martin kid on top of Zimmerman beating him along with the fact that Zimmerman was bleeding from the back of the head and his face.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (HwrJu)

107 Elizabeth Warren calls the president a monkey.
Posted by: Truman Northat March 23, 2012 01:24 PM (I2LwF)

Where did I put my Yellow Hat?

Posted by: George Soros at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (NOwGM)

108
Speaking of booby traps...

You know how in police training (in the movies) they put the trainee in a room with a gun and he supposed to shoot the threat.

Cardboard props are strategically placed and timed to appear in the room while the trainee scans for the threat.

Some of the cardboard props are not threats, however, and the trainee is forced to make a quick decision to fire his weapon or not.

The Left is always setting us up. We can't just go about and shoot everything that moves.

This is one of those times.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (jUytm)

109 So where was the big hue and cry from all these religious groups when
OCare was under consideration? Now that their ox is gored directly by
it, sure, let's protest.



Now everyone can tell me how wrong I am and how most religious leaders
were out front in protesting the very idea of OCare. I'm sure some were and that others thought OCare would be a boon to the poor somehow.



First they came for the libertarians and I said nothing.

Oh, and here is a Creators.com editorial opinion piece backing my stance up:

http://tinyurl.com/6qxxfm5

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (ccXZP)

110 so at some point does obama say "listen, clearly I have acted stupidly"? cause I do not think his alinskyite tactics are working especially well as a foundation for governing. for such a smart guy he does not seem to be doing especially well at learning on the job or adapting.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (Z9EHQ)

111 Soothsayer, you apparently know something the rest of us don't. What bothers me is having a president who will insert himself into something like this, and we don't have 300 million Americans telling him to butt out and let the people (i.e. the locals) handles this.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2012 01:29 PM (vqJAS)

112 I'd piss on a spark plug if I thought it'd do any good!

Posted by: General Beringer at March 23, 2012 01:30 PM (2cfUo)

113 Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (HwrJu)

If true, did he go to the hospital? And any pics?

Just trying to clear the air.

Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 01:30 PM (KB0hv)

114 108-I like that analogy, I think it's pretty apt.

Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 01:30 PM (/Mxso)

115 soothsayer - if you keep a shiv in a ziploc handy, you can shoot them all.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 01:31 PM (WkuV6)

116 102 Those no labels people... imagine what their spice racks must look like

It might be helpful too....to be able to tell the difference between K-Y gel, and toothpaste.

Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 01:31 PM (4GgJq)

117 Also hispanic-black race relations are not the "correct" fire to be stoking

The interesting thing here is that the outrage was redirected fairly quickly towards law enforcement once it was discovered that the perp didn't fit the convenient profile.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 23, 2012 01:31 PM (vbh31)

118 The moment this Trayvon issue popped up, I thought MSM Transference theory: Zimmerman = Florida = Florida's gun laws = Marco Rubio

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at March 23, 2012 01:32 PM (Ec6wH)

119 Some of the cardboard props are not threats,
however, and the trainee is forced to make a quick decision to fire his
weapon or not.



The Left is always setting us up. We can't just go about and shoot everything that moves.



This is one of those times.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (jUytm)

This, x1000. Part of succeeding is knowing when to invest and when to walk away.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 01:32 PM (RD7QR)

120 58 The day the decision comes down from SCOTUS is the ultimate fork in the road. The one path leads us to regain our liberty and freedom the other road is to tyranny. The fact that this decision is in the hands of 9 black robed lawyers scares the crap out of me.

Actually it's just 5 semi-senile black robed lawyers, not 9. THAT's what scares the crap out of me!

Posted by: i'm the Honey Badger, BITCH! at March 23, 2012 01:32 PM (TJ8HB)

121
First, Zimmerman was not beaten. There was evidence of a scuffle. All indications point to Zimmerman instigating the scuffle.

Second, Treyvon Martin was a bean pole. He couldn't hurt a fly with his bare hands, which happened to be full of Skittles at the time.

But if you want to continue to defend the indefensible with a bunch of what-ifs and maybes, go ahead.

But we're all grown ups here who have been around the block a few times and met a dozen Zimmermans in our lifetimes.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:33 PM (jUytm)

122 What bothers me is having a president who will insert himself into something like this

Shut up, he's rolling.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 01:33 PM (Fz7+s)

123 HH the police observed the Injuries and I would imagine they took pictures. They have said that all of their records are open to the Feds. We'll see what happens.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 01:34 PM (HwrJu)

124 Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:28 PM (jUytm)

Sooth, it's not "keeping your powder dry" (or other cliche) to allow a man to be railroaded for something that may not even have been a crime.

I'm not one for making this a political issue at all, but Zimmerman deserves a fair hearing. From the facts as we understand them, it seems like bad-judgement from both Zimmerman and the kid (whose name I can't remember, shame on me), that took what should have been nothing more than a "Hey, I see someone suspicious" call to 9-1-1 and turned it into a physical altercation ending with one participant getting shot.

That's stupid, but there is not necessarily a crime there. Moreover, the police already investigated once (and let me assure you: they were as aware of the Racial tensions as anyone of us is) and determined that no crime had been committed.

Unsatisfied with a wrongful death civil suit (which I'm virtually certain they would have won) the kid's family decided to make a national issue of it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:34 PM (8y9MW)

125 My answer to that last question is "I don't know."

Allen West knows.

Posted by: Obama Made Me A Racist at March 23, 2012 01:34 PM (EL+OC)

126 EL+OC = troll.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 01:35 PM (RD7QR)

127 Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:33 PM (jUytm)


It would appear that you have access to information that none of the rest of us are privy to.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 23, 2012 01:36 PM (vbh31)

128 126
EL+OC = troll.

You are an idiot.

Posted by: Obama Made Me A Racist at March 23, 2012 01:37 PM (EL+OC)

129 56 You'd have a better chance betting orange on a roulette wheel than
betting on the media to devote significant coverage to these protests.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at March 23, 2012 01:07 PM (f8XyF)

Always bet on black.

Posted by: Wesley Snipes at March 23, 2012 01:37 PM (1grxW)

130 Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:33 PM (jUytm)


It would appear that you have access to information that none of the rest of us are privy to.


Perhaps information that no one has privy to ...

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 01:38 PM (WkuV6)

131
Obama's part in this is a separate issue. Same with Sharpton. And if Treyvon was a piece of shit, that is also irrelevant.

The main points in this case is 1) the police acted so ineptly that they opened the door for Sharpton and Obama to use Treyvon's corpse for their gain, and 2) Zimmerman killed an unarmed teen for walking through a neighborhood.

Zimmerman can come up with lots of good reasons why he did it, but it will never change the fact that a 19 yo is dead while holding a bag of Skittles.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:40 PM (jUytm)

132 Sigh...this is like Diddle all over again.

Posted by: Burton Guster at March 23, 2012 01:40 PM (HethX)

133 I can't imagine anyone taking a position that if Zimmerman commited a crime, he shouldn't be prosecuted. And yet we're being told we must take the position that he commited the crime, when so far the police say he did not? How does that make sense? Soothsayer, does that make sense to you?

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2012 01:40 PM (vqJAS)

134 This all sucks, but the more Al Sharpton is on TV as Obama's spokesman the better.

Posted by: Clubber Lang at March 23, 2012 01:41 PM (ZPrif)

135 Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:33 PM (jUytm)

==everything you said in your first two paragraphs is wrong

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 01:41 PM (Dll6b)

136 Problem is, none of us know what really happened. NONE of us...

But for people like Sharpton and the Prez to get involved is just idiotic, and possibly starting a forest fire when there was just a smoldering cigarette.

Do they not know? Or do they not care?

Jesus H...

Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 01:41 PM (KB0hv)

137 Sidebar: Dolph Lundgren hates socialism.

He will break you!!!

Posted by: EC at March 23, 2012 01:42 PM (GQ8sn)

138 131
Obama's part in this is a separate issue. Same with Sharpton. And if Treyvon was a piece of shit, that is also irrelevant.

The main points in this case is 1) the police acted so ineptly that they opened the door for Sharpton and Obama to use Treyvon's corpse for their gain, and 2) Zimmerman killed an unarmed teen for walking through a neighborhood.

Zimmerman can come up with lots of good reasons why he did it, but it will never change the fact that a 19 yo is dead while holding a bag of Skittles.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:40 PM (jUytm)

where do you get point 1? what is the motivation for the police to cover for zimmerman?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 01:42 PM (Z9EHQ)

139 Welp, the left is getting their two-minutes of hate on over the kid in FL.

Poor Fluke's Love Hovel is yesterday's news.

This one is going to end even worse--as the facts they refuse to repeat are the ones that collaborate his self-defense story. Some black kids are going to do violence upon some white kids over this for "justice" . . . .

Every fucking liberal imagines themselves a modern-day freedom rider swooping down upon the backward racists, saving the poor, oppressed black folk from evil and death. And if they have to invent some racists and ruin some innocents--it's all for the cause (the cause of making liberals feel good about themselves).

Posted by: Jimmuy at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (BLEio)

140 Socialism will break you.

Posted by: Dolph Lundgren at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (/Mla1)

141 I tend to think there is a significant back-story to Zimmerman. I doubt he was patrolling his neighborhood just looking for a black boy to confont. There's way more to this story that doesn't fit the meme. I'd like to know what the black crime statistics are for this immediate neighborhood. I wonder if Zimmerman was, from experience, wary to the point of over-reaction. There's more story here than is making it thru the MFM meme filter.

Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (JfvbF)

142 CNN . com is covering the protests

not


Obama: My son would look like Trayvon

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (8sCoq)

143 Team Barky probably has a whole division of people searching through the news stories for "distractions to exploit" .....especially any stories that have a racial element.

So this shooting in Florida is perfect for them. ....They have a teenage martyr now. ....And a story that they could use to demonize the 'Stand Your Ground' laws and gun laws.....It's perfect.

That's not to say, that the whole thing doesn't stink on several levels. The Zimmerman guy is not someone I would want as our posterboy for why we need to be able to have personal firearms to protect ourselves.

Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (4GgJq)

144 I love how slight Dolph's accent is. I know that's pretty typical of Scandis because the language is similar but it's still a little jarring.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (T0NGe)

145 128
126

EL+OC = troll.

You are an idiot.



Posted by: Obama Made Me A Racist at March 23, 2012 01:37 PM (EL+OC)

No, not really. Perhaps it would be better to say that you have the EFFECT of a troll.

Posted by: joncelli, heartless Con and all around unpleasant guy at March 23, 2012 01:45 PM (RD7QR)

146 58
Oh, clp, where in SEPA? I'm in Lansdale/North Wales.

I'm out near West Chester. I think the rally started at noon; I really wanted to go.

Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 01:45 PM (SJC5V)

147 The main points in this case is 1) the police acted so ineptly that they
opened the door for Sharpton and Obama to use Treyvon's corpse for
their gain, and 2) Zimmerman killed an unarmed teen for walking through a
neighborhood.


1) The only way the police would not have "opened the door for Sharpton and Obama to use Treyvon's corpse for their gain" would have been to proffer charges against Zimmerman- which they apparently felt unjustified. Sorry, if that makes people angry.

2) So people didn't kill each other before weapons were invented? Unarmed does not mean "not dangerous."

You seem awful fast to pin the blame on the police. Yeah, they might have screwed up. My position (as is that of most that I'm seeing) is this: "We don't know. Politicians should keep their noses out of it. Let the cops handle it."

As for Obama's involvement: he was asked a question, and he responded to it. Yes, I think the answer was insipid, but I'm not going to blame him for answering a question, and at least he didn't say, "The police acted stupidly."

"Reverend" Al should just FOADIAF.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:45 PM (8y9MW)

148 .But for people like Sharpton and the Prez to get involved is just
idiotic, and possibly starting a forest fire when there was just a
smoldering cigarette.





THIS FALL ON NBC:

"Sharpton and the Prez"


Appointment television is back!

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 01:46 PM (8sCoq)

149 121 soothsayer

But we're all grown ups here who have been around the block a few times and met a dozen Zimmermans in our lifetimes.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Damn straight. I was just reading about one the other day...

http://tinyurl.com/7vu92sv

Posted by: packsoldier at March 23, 2012 01:46 PM (9tLNI)

150 Nice threadjack, guys.

Posted by: Jeffrey Quick at March 23, 2012 01:46 PM (g9neE)

151 Nice to see Dolph getting some more work with Expendables 2.

Posted by: EC at March 23, 2012 01:46 PM (GQ8sn)

152 Look, everything we are hearing about the Zimmerman thing is pure media speculation, coupled with a strong dose of sensationalism. I'm not defending anybody's actions in this tragedy, mostly because there are no discernible facts. How any reasonable person can draw a definitive conclusion on this based on what the media is telling us is beyond me.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 23, 2012 01:46 PM (vbh31)

153 Guilty until proven non-racist. It's in the Constitution.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 01:46 PM (Fz7+s)

154 While the MBM is showing us the pics of Trayvon Martin that aren't quite recent, that show him as a happy schoolkid

Here's a picture of Zimmerman.

Wonder why the MBM isn't showing pics of him?

http://tinyurl.com/6lqd3ne

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 01:48 PM (Y+DPZ)

155 Why was he buying Skittles anyway? Doesn't he have a unicorn like the rest of us?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 01:48 PM (Fz7+s)

156
Zimmerman's 911 call is quite damning.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:48 PM (jUytm)

157 I cannot understand why Sharpton is free to instigate riots.
crown heights wasn't enough? and wth is he actually a fakey journalist on tv.
have we become batshit insane as a society?

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 01:48 PM (TomZ9)

158
If you don't want to be shot, don't eat Skittles in public at night.

Posted by: Alan Grayson at March 23, 2012 01:49 PM (jUytm)

159 I move for a new catchall All-Trayvon-All-The-Time thread. Seconded?

Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 01:49 PM (4I3Uo)

160
>>>Wonder why the MBM isn't showing pics of him?

Rhetorical question of the year nominee right there.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 01:50 PM (0q2P7)

161
156
Zimmerman's 911 call is quite damning.<<<

That plus your opinion is good enough for me. Begin construction on the gallows immediately.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at March 23, 2012 01:50 PM (FEqS6)

162 Zimmerman is a white guy's name, so he's white

Posted by: MSNBC staffer at March 23, 2012 01:51 PM (8sCoq)

163 Allen, the president's words carry a shedload of weight by virtue of him being president. What he said is potentially very incendiary, and certainly helps the execution of justice not at all. Could Zimmerman get a fair trial now? That's a serious question, one the president makes harder to answer affirmatively.

Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2012 01:51 PM (vqJAS)

164 25 There's one getting ready to start in Fort Worth
Posted by: Vashta Nerada at March 23, 2012 12:55 PM (mSAq


Really?! I am in Fort Worth right now! Downtown. Do you know the location?

Posted by: Riding Through The Desert With A Cat With No Name at March 23, 2012 01:51 PM (3g1YG)

165 as for Trayvon It seems like He was not up to anything illegal Or nefarious.

It's a tragedy.

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 01:51 PM (TomZ9)

166 My suggestion is to watch and record every word Al Sharpton says during this, and wait until he says something to turn against him and get him fired from his MSNBC job.

Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (MMC8r)

167 That plus your opinion is good enough for me. Begin construction on the gallows immediately.


I once at a gallow of Edy's in one sitting. Okay, it was more than once, but who's counting!!!

Posted by: Meggy Mac at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (Fz7+s)

168 Why was he buying Skittles anyway? Doesn't he have a unicorn like the rest of us?

Obama lied. Trayvon died.

Posted by: LIGuy at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (+usC4)

169 anyway i'd thought i read Trayvon was 17.

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (TomZ9)

170
When I first heard the story and how some "kid" was just walking on the street "eating Skittles" and "
talking to his girlfriend" on the phone, I immediately thought it was typical lefty spin.

But then I listened closely to Zimmerman's 911 call.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (jUytm)

171 Rinse - repeat - rinse

When this case first broke I said then it had the smell of Duke all over
it. I said we needed to give it at least a week for the actual facts to
come out. It appears that some facts are leaking out now despite the
MFM trying to hush it up.

Any time the MFM and Al Shitptom get on their high horse you can almost guarantee a POS set of lies.

What we know:

The
MFM shows pictures of the "kid" when he was about 10 y.o. Why is it
they always portray the "victim" as an innocent choir boy? We now know
he was a 17 y.o gang banger who had been kicked out of school because he
was violent. He also had a rap sheet for violent crimes and burglary. And yes that is relevant.

The accused racist Hispanic was a neighborhood
watch. It was his job to follow him. It doesn't matter if he was a
wanna-be cop. It was his job to follow this kid and keep and eye on him.
For all appearances sake the "kid" was casing the homes for burglary.

The
kid was beating him when the evil racist shot him. Yes, that meets the
definition of self-defense without even invoking the FL stand your
ground law.

Lets not get all Duke on this.

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (YdQQY)

172 MSNBC: Rush Limbaugh caused Trayvon to be shot. (Link to Weasel Zippers in my name).

Posted by: Ian S. at March 23, 2012 01:53 PM (tqwMN)

173 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at March 23, 2012 01:53 PM (vd4t0)

174 >>>Begin construction on the gallows immediately.

F*ing RINO. This clearly calls for drawing and quartering.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 01:54 PM (0q2P7)

175 Zimmerman's 911 call is quite damning.

Yep. Just because the cops tell you not to follow some one, you can't legally follow that person anymore.

Was he stupid? Yes. Unfortunately stupidity itself is not a crime. He claims self-defense, and the physical evidence (as we know it) supports that claim.

Whoever escalated the altercation from it's hands-off/verbal status to a physical fight is to blame for Trayvon's death. If that's Zimmerman, he should absolutely be charged and convicted (that's going to be hard, since Trayvon isn't around to share his side of the story). If it was Trayvon, then the only burden Zimmerman bears is knowing that his stupidity allowed a situation to begin- which then escalated into someone's death.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:54 PM (8y9MW)

176 if anyone is instigating anything and causing dis-unity and fear it would be obama -holder -pelosi and crew.

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 01:54 PM (TomZ9)

177 Here's a picture of Zimmerman.

Wonder why the MBM isn't showing pics of him?

http://tinyurl.com/6lqd3ne


Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 01:48 PM

If Zimmerman is "white", then so are Bill Richardson, Geraldo Rivera, and Selma Hayek

The timing isn't great for this because as the case gets more attention, sooner or later everyone is going to know what Zimmerman looks like.

Hispanics, especially Mexicans, tend to rally to one of their own right or wrong. The JEF wants this to be settled and gone before the election

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 01:55 PM (Y+DPZ)

178 Yep. Just because the cops tell you not to follow some one, you can't legally follow that person anymore.
-----------------


The 911 dispatcher is not a cop and it was his job to follow him. .

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 01:55 PM (YdQQY)

179 (171) The
kid was beating him when the evil racist shot him.


Got a link for that? A kid with a bag of skittles beating up a man with a gun doesn't make sense, somehow.

I do agree that there's more backstory to this than we'll know about, though.

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 23, 2012 01:55 PM (Qxe/p)

180 Zimmerman's 911 call is quite damning.


Again, it's not contextual. If the real truth ever comes out, it may very well be that the shooter deserves every ounce of just and appropriate punishment under the law. It's just unfortunate that anecdotal bits an pieces like a bag of Skittles have driven the rush to judgement.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 23, 2012 01:56 PM (vbh31)

181 156
Zimmerman's 911 call is quite damning.

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 01:48 PM (jUytm)

in what way?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 01:56 PM (Z9EHQ)

182 >>>Lets not get all Duke on this.

Unless he was uniformed, observation was his job, not pursuit.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 01:56 PM (0q2P7)

183 Whoever escalated the altercation from it's hands-off/verbal status to a physical fight is to blame for Trayvon's death. If that's Zimmerman, he should absolutely be charged and convicted (that's going to be hard, since Trayvon isn't around to share his side of the story). If it was Trayvon, then the only burden Zimmerman bears is knowing that his stupidity allowed a situation to begin- which then escalated into someone's death.

Now, now, now, that's reasonable and is concerned with actual facts and circumstances. We can't be allowing such nuttiness into our hysteria.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:56 PM (VtjlW)

184 Zimmerman was just resisting Martin much.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 01:56 PM (Fz7+s)

185 >>>F*ing RINO. This clearly calls for drawing and quartering.



DIABLO. He should have his genitals cut off and burned in front of him.

Posted by: LIGuy at March 23, 2012 01:57 PM (+usC4)

186 if you had some man following you wouldn't you get scared I would run like hell but others might fight , was Zimmerman in a recognizable uniform?

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 01:57 PM (TomZ9)

187 So here is the question. If the person killed was just some white punk kid, none of this would be a headline. None of it.

But since he was black, somehow our post-racial politicians bring this to the fore.

Our Democrats.

In Action...

Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 01:57 PM (KB0hv)

188 has 0bama announced a verdict yet?

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 01:57 PM (8sCoq)

189 Posted by: BurtTC at March 23, 2012 01:51 PM (vqJAS)

Absolutely. I think his actual answer was way off base, and it would have been better to say, "I know no more of the facts than you do. Let's let the justice system handle this."

So I'm opposed to his actual answer. I'm not opposed to the fact he gave an answer. If you get the difference.

as for Trayvon It seems like He was not up to anything illegal Or nefarious.

Unless he was beating Zimmerman. That would be both illegal and nefarious.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 01:57 PM (8y9MW)

190 kid was beating him when the evil racist shot him. Yes, that meets the

definition of self-defense without even invoking the FL stand your

ground law.

Lets not get all Duke on this.


Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 01:52 PM (YdQQY)

===thanks, Vic. There is also a witness statement that TrayVoNN was beating the crap out of Z, with Z on his back on the ground, when Z shot himThe Left politicized this, hyper-bloated it, etc to jack up Black voting in Nov and start another run at gun rights and 'Stand your ground' laws, etc

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 01:57 PM (Dll6b)

191 Black - Hispanic relations being all so strong, it seems like a stupid place for Obama to stick his nose.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 01:57 PM (WkuV6)

192 . anyway a tragedy .

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 01:58 PM (TomZ9)

193 Incite we much.

Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 01:58 PM (MMC8r)

194 has 0bama announced a verdict yet?

The Racist acted stupidly.

Posted by: Barackus Obamus at March 23, 2012 01:59 PM (NOwGM)

195
144 I love how slight Dolph's accent is. I know that's pretty typical of Scandis because the language is similar but it's still a little jarring.

Posted by: AmishDude at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (T0NGe)


I don't necessarily know if the langauge being "similar" is a reason. As far as I know the language is in no way similar. My wife is a Scandi (Denmark), and I've been slowly picking up Danish. I think one of the reasons is that English is taught in schools from their equivalent of 2nd grade and up. Also, some people just are better at learning a language and getting rid of their accent, other people never really learn. Some of it depends on how much they speak their own langauge.

Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 01:59 PM (/Mxso)

196
"Whoever escalated the altercation from it's hands-off/verbal status to a physical fight is to blame for Trayvon's death."

^Without question the most meaningful statement made on this case yet, but only with regard to a criminal case. Zim is in deep kimchee on the civil side of things.

Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 01:59 PM (4I3Uo)

197 alex, you're right, i'm not going to say anything more. i guess in time we'll have more information. hopefully.

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 01:59 PM (TomZ9)

198 A good legal analysis of the Zimmerman case that hits the skepticism I'm having over the entire incident.

http://tinyurl.com/6qw6d7g

I am of the opinion that in the end, the fact the Zimmerman suffered physical harm is going to end up making this an unprosecuted incident. The fact that Zimmerman chased the kid became irrelevant once the kid engaged in a physical fight.

The rest of this is going to end up being an opportunity for the Left, race mongers, and anti-gun crowd to call for chipping away at the 2nd amendment.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 02:00 PM (8TANr)

199 Why did Zimmerman actually call 911 to begin with? Did he actually see Martin doing something, or just didn't recognize him so he figured he'd call police?

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:00 PM (/Mla1)

200 >it seems like a stupid place for Obama to stick his nose.

where doesn't he stick it

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 02:00 PM (8sCoq)

201 Posted by: Heralder at March 23, 2012 01:59 PM (/Mxso)

Plus he had Sylvester Stallone as a speech coach.

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2012 02:00 PM (NOwGM)

202 A guy on FoxNews was just telling Megyn Kelly about how there were witnesses who saw Treyvon [the kid] beating on Zimmerman. .....And that Zimmerman had a bloody nose and grass stains on his back.

So this was apparently why the police didn't arrest Zimmerman....after seeing the shape that he was in when they got there, and talking to the witnesses who saw what happened.

Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 02:01 PM (4GgJq)

203 Say it like it is:

140 Tea-Bagging Woman-Hating Riots with Racist Undertones

Posted by: WeekendAtBernankes at March 23, 2012 02:01 PM (L5TO4)

204 The MFM won't be there to cover it, since they are waiting for their nails to dry.

Posted by: Roy at March 23, 2012 02:01 PM (VndSC)

205 =>Moreover, the police already investigated once (and let me assure you:
they were as aware of the Racial tensions as anyone of us is) and
determined that no crime had been committed.


Doesn't much of the decision about whether or not to charge with a crime, up to the prosecutor, who is usually elected?

Posted by: slatz at March 23, 2012 02:02 PM (qsUe1)

206 Black - Hispanic relations being all so strong, it seems like a stupid place for Obama to stick his nose.

See? We can always count on his lack of humility to translate to abject stupidity at the end of the day. Go look at the charts... Nearo's "acted stupidly" comment was a catalyst for his first real decline in popularity...

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 02:02 PM (Fz7+s)

207 Got a link for that? A kid with a bag of skittles beating up a man with a gun doesn't make sense, somehow.
-----------------------


Saw it in one of the local papers.

http://is.gd/pd7wJ8

Part of the eye witness account is in this story.

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 02:02 PM (YdQQY)

208 Zim is in deep kimchee on the civil side of things. Why. He has little or nothing to lose, his college expelled him for this today. What is a civil judgement going to do, garnish future earnings?

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 02:02 PM (WkuV6)

209 alex, you're right,

Ahhh, music to my ears.

Actually, willow, you have it exactly right. This is a tragedy. No matter whether or not it is also a crime, it is still a tragedy.

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 02:03 PM (VtjlW)

210 Got a link for that? A kid with a bag of skittles beating up a man with a gun doesn't make sense, somehow.

I've already lost it, maybe JWF? But there are at least 2 eyewitnesses who agree that Trayvon was on top of, and beating, Mr. Zimmerman. Mr. Zimmerman's clothes were wet and had a grass stain on the back, he was bleeding from the back of the head and his nose was either bleeding or broken (the story I read specifies which, but I don't remember without looking).

if you had some man following you wouldn't you get scared I would run
like hell but others might fight , was Zimmerman in a recognizable
uniform?

Absolutely true. And? If you turned and fought, wouldn't the other person be allowed to fight back? Especially if all they'd been planing to do was keep you under observation until the cops showed up?

We're trying to guess people's motives here- and that's always a bad idea.

It's entirely possible that you're right: Trayvon may, indeed, have felt threatened and decided to defend himself. In which case, had he survived, he would not have been guilty of any crime, either.

Yes, ladies and gentlemen, it is actually possible for one person to kill another and- because of each person's limited knowledge- no crime actually to have been committed.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 02:03 PM (8y9MW)

211 "Zim is in deep kimchee on the civil side of things."

As I understand it, he isn't. The federal civil rights laws do not apply. There might be a wrongful death case possible, but if Zimmerman was physically struck prior to the shooting, then it's going to be dicey winning it.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 02:03 PM (8TANr)

212 This Zimmerman case will not end well.

Posted by: jewells45 at March 23, 2012 02:04 PM (l/N7H)

213 And the Kansas City Burning case disappeared from the news after a day.

Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 02:04 PM (MMC8r)

214 I see "Remember Trayvon!" will be the rallying cry for Obama's second term.

Posted by: Lord Monochromicorn at March 23, 2012 02:05 PM (nBxFQ)

215
link to police department's info

conduct your own investigation!

http://tinyurl.com/6o5lnrw

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:05 PM (jUytm)

216 is any of us are lawyers?

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 02:05 PM (8sCoq)

217 Let's all remember, Casey Anthony was acquitted in the same jurisdiction.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 02:05 PM (8TANr)

218 Zim is in deep kimchee on the civil side of things.

I already mentioned that Trayvon's family could have settled for wrongful death- that they almost certainly would have won.

Of course, that might be like squeezing blood from a turnip.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 02:06 PM (8y9MW)

219 >>>in what way?

He admits to tailing the kid on foot and being spotted, he tells the dispatcher that the kid ran. If he pursued Trayvon after he ran (a clear indication he was scared) then the entire confrontation becomes the fault of Zimmerman.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 02:06 PM (0q2P7)

220 >I see "Remember Trayvon!" will be the rallying cry for Obama's second term.



Healthcare for you and Trayvon too!

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 02:06 PM (8sCoq)

221 The self-defense argument is a good argument, but it will only get you so far. You still have to use a reasonable amount of force. If someone is in your face and then they shove you, you can't just blow them away. Maybe if Zimmerman thought he was going to get knocked unconcious or worse. If that wasn't the case, I'm sure his lawyer is telling him that was the case...

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:06 PM (/Mla1)

222 If Zimmerman just wanted to cap a black kid, then why call 911 in the first place?

Did Zimmerman have a gun when he first confronted Martin before making the 911 call?

Did Zimmerman know the cops would be there "when they got the chance" and Martin would be long gone after helping himself to whatever he could take?

Whatever the truth is to this, we won't get it from the MBM.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 02:07 PM (Y+DPZ)

223 You don't need to be a lawyer to know which way the political wind is blowing

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:07 PM (Dll6b)

224 Zimmerman needs a hot , female hispanic lawyer - right now. She needs to defend him in the media - an insure he keeps his pie-hole (tamale hole?) shut, making sure every sound bite is in spanish and english. The left wants run this guy up the racist railroad, make them pay full price.

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 02:08 PM (WkuV6)

225 He admits to tailing the kid on foot and being spotted, he tells the dispatcher that the kid ran. If he pursued Trayvon after he ran (a clear indication he was scared) then the entire confrontation becomes the fault of Zimmerman.

Scared...or guilty.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:08 PM (/Mla1)

226 The federal civil rights laws do not apply.
----------------------


Since 2009 when the commies amended the hate crimes act that is now up to the opinion of the AG. That would be Eric "Fast and Furious" Holder.

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 02:08 PM (YdQQY)

227 ... full fare. crap

Posted by: Jean at March 23, 2012 02:08 PM (WkuV6)

228
"The federal civil rights laws do not apply"

Someone should tell the Eric Holder. I don't think he got that memo.

Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 02:09 PM (4I3Uo)

229 213 And the Kansas City Burning case disappeared from the news after a day.
Posted by: nickless at March 23, 2012 02:04 PM (MMC8r)

THIS, THIS, and more THIS!

This makes me so damn mad. Blacks set on fire, get that SET ON F'N FIRE, a white kid while hurling racial slurs at him, and nothing...f'n crickets. No "national outcry", no marches, no speeches, no comment from the president, no comment from congressmen or senators, nothing...

Until we stop droolingto the left's pavlov bell, we are doomed to more of this.

Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 02:09 PM (JfvbF)

230 This plays right into Obama's hand. Instead of focusing on how Obamacare is unconstitutional, horribly expensive, will lead to worse care, etc. the media will be able to focus on "Republicans are against contraception". Not good.

Posted by: Norcross at March 23, 2012 02:09 PM (RM0br)

231 Any word yet on whetherTreyvon going to be buried in an Obama 2012 T-Shirt?

Posted by: garrett at March 23, 2012 02:10 PM (NOwGM)

232 The lead story on the hour radio news ( in N.E. Florida ) is not the protests on Obamacare, but the Zimmerman Affair. --- No mention of the O'Protests

color me surprised; buy me some Skittles

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:10 PM (Dll6b)

233 You know who doesn't look like Obama's son? Brian Terry.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 02:10 PM (Fz7+s)

234 Black - Hispanic relations being all so strong, it seems like a stupid place for Obama to stick his nose.

See? We can always count on his lack of humility to translate to abject stupidity at the end of the day. Go look at the charts... Nearo's "acted stupidly" comment was a catalyst for his first real decline in popularity...
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 02:02 PM (Fz7+s)

yeah it would seem the racists in the white mosque never considered that a whiteish looking guy named zimmerman could backfire in this scenario. guess the campaign is going to have to start hiring some non-affirmative action staff to get things organized for the election.

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 02:10 PM (Z9EHQ)

235 Barky already has the black vote locked in. If he were smart, he'd be supporting Zimmerman the Cuban-American.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (/Mla1)

236 my unicorn is in the shop

Posted by: Jones in CO at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (8sCoq)

237 The lead story on the hour radio news ( in N.E. Florida ) is not the
protests on Obamacare, but the Zimmerman Affair. --- No mention of the
O'Protests
----------------------


The lead story on Fox is Hunger Games.

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (YdQQY)

238 Scared...or guilty.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:08 PM (/Mla1)

==no offense, man, but this makes no sense.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (Dll6b)

239 Vic (207), AllenG (210)

Thanks!
I read the link, and what actually happened is still clear as mud.

I'm far less inclined to hang Zimmerman immediately, though.
It's starting to sound like a comedy of errors without the comedy:
2 people acting stupidly, with predictable results.

Posted by: jwb7605 at March 23, 2012 02:12 PM (Qxe/p)

240 217 Let's all remember, Casey Anthony was acquitted in the same jurisdiction.

Wow, really? ....I had actually been wondering if it was. ....Her attorney was Hispanic, wasn't he? ....But the optics of having Casey Anthony's attorney might not bode well for Zimmerman. Heh.

Posted by: wheatie at March 23, 2012 02:12 PM (4GgJq)

241 havedash, yes that was evil. just a kid. shameful, hateful, pure evil.

poor little guy. damn life is really depressing.

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 02:12 PM (TomZ9)

242

I love how slight Dolph's accent is. I know that's pretty typical of
Scandis because the language is similar but it's still a little jarring.


Posted by: AmishDude at March 23, 2012 01:43 PM (T0NGe)




Funny, because if memory serves, he pretty much always does heavy accents in film, including that "tough guy" accent in Expendables.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2012 02:12 PM (XCHGh)

243 THIS FALL ON NBC:"Sharpton and the Prez"Appointment television is back! Black
-----
FIFY

Posted by: Buzzsaw90 at March 23, 2012 02:12 PM (SO2Q8)

244 ==no offense, man, but this makes no sense.
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (Dll6b)

When Zimmerman saw him run, he could have assumed that Martin was scared or guilty...
I was responding to the post that said it should have been obvious Martin was scared because he was running. Guilty people run too.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:13 PM (/Mla1)

245 ==no offense, man, but this makes no sense.

Re-reading the original comment: I think he's saying that Trayvon ran from Zimmerman either because he (Trayvon) was scared or he was guilty of something.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 02:13 PM (8y9MW)

246 Casey Anthony was acquitted because the stupid prosecutor overplayed his hand.

Posted by: Vic at March 23, 2012 02:13 PM (YdQQY)

247 2 people acting stupidly, with predictable results.

Yeah. This is where I am.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 02:14 PM (8y9MW)

248 do any of zimmermans calls to the police before the physical altercation say Trayvon was committing a crime other than walking around looking like a stranger in that development?

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 02:15 PM (TomZ9)

249 I think that what this will boil down to is Florida law regarding the use of deadly force. Generally speaking (and in most states) killing in self-defense is justifiable only as a last resort, after all other reasonable, available measures have been taken to avoid that deadly use of force. If this incident is ultimately distilled down to the actual interpretation of the law (which we can already see is highly unlikely) it may hinge on that.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 23, 2012 02:15 PM (vbh31)

250 >>>The self-defense argument is a good argument, but it will only get you so far.

You can't use self defense if a reasonable person would have felt threatened by your actions. That is where Zimmerman is really up sh*t creek. Some dude starts tailing me in the middle of the night, I run, he follows, I FEEL THREATENED, and that is reasonable. You have threatened me by chasing me at night. You are now responsible for the fact that I might choose to defend myself by approaching me in a threatening manner. So if a confrontation ends in my death, you are criminally and civilly responsible for that outcome.

1. You threaten me.
2. I defend myself.
3. You kill me.

That is Man 1 at the least, and if you had any provable malice, it's murder 2.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 02:15 PM (0q2P7)

251 >>>Trayvon was committing a crime other than walking around looking like a stranger in that development?

I read the transcript, the answer is no.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (0q2P7)

252
Martin's girlfriend who says she was on the phone with him the whole time this was happening (and probably was because this is easily verified) claims she told Treyvon to run away from Zimmerman. Then she "heard pushing," then a gun shot.

According to her, we can gather Martin knew he was being followed by Zimmerman and was confused as to the reason why.

Now, pretend your Martin for a moment. You have some guy following you. What's going through your mind?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (jUytm)

253 do any of zimmermans calls to the police before the physical altercation say Trayvon was committing a crime other than walking around looking like a stranger in that development?
Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 02:15 PM (TomZ9)
According to a neighbor, Zimmerman saw a black kid who was creeping around and really was breaking into houses earlier (I think a couple weeks prior maybe?) So I think maybe Martin matched the description. For all we know it could have really been him, we'll never know because if it was the MSM won't report it.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (/Mla1)

254 I hope this doesn't end up with me bringing this pendejo in for a cerveza summit on Cinco de Quatro.

Posted by: King Barry I at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (JxMoP)

255
Barky already has the black vote locked in. If he were smart, he'd be supporting Zimmerman the Cuban-American.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (/Mla1)




SCOAMF is playing GOTV via racial politics with this issue. The election politics are all about turnout. With a side helping of gun control and racial reparations after reelection.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (XCHGh)

256 Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:11 PM (/Mla1)

If the JEF were smart he back away from this case and not say a single thing about it. But he isn't smart, or rather he is so arrogant and narcissistic that he can't bear not sticking his dick into this.

This case is a mine field, and SCOAMF is walking right into it.

He has a choice: piss of the Hispanic race baiters or piss off the Black race baiters.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 02:18 PM (nEUpB)

257 Some dude starts tailing me in the middle of the night, I run, he
follows, I FEEL THREATENED, and that is reasonable. You have threatened
me by chasing me at night. You are now responsible for the fact that I
might choose to defend myself by approaching me in a threatening manner.

Mike yes, that's how i think it went down. I didn't hear anything to say the kid was committing a crime prior to being chased.

being in a private development doesn't count to me.
many children do this , a short cut.

anyway we'll see i guess.

and i still haven't shut up

damn it, sorry alex.
now i will.

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 02:18 PM (TomZ9)

258
Allen, can you tell me what stupid thing you believe Martin to have done?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:18 PM (jUytm)

259 this hyper-bloated "issue / controversy / diversion from real issues" should be dismissed.......................sine die

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:19 PM (Dll6b)

260 >>>Scared...or guilty.

Which is a good analysis for a cop trying to determine suspicion in order to stop someone. NOT something a private citizen can use to push a confrontation.

Posted by: MikeTheMoose finally remembers why he's here at March 23, 2012 02:19 PM (0q2P7)

261 do any of zimmermans calls to the police before the physical altercation
say Trayvon was committing a crime other than walking around looking
like a stranger in that development?


I don't know (having not listened to them) but I sincerely doubt it.

I don't think Zimmerman should have followed the kid- that was pretty stupid. But it wasn't illegal for him to do so. There are also character witness type statements starting to surface (poorly sourced from what I've seen, so take them with a shaker full of salt) that indicate there would not have been any racial reason Zimmerman would have thought the kid was up to something. If that's true, then he likely keyed onto some behavior and decided it was suspicious.

Again, we're unlikely ever to know the truth of that.

What does it matter, though? Z was suspicious, he followed Trayvon. This was completely legal, and no one disputes that. At some point, a physical altercation started, and Trayvon ended up dead. No, either Zimmerman escalated the situation to violence- in which case he's guilty of murder, or Trayvon did- in which case Zimmerman acted in self-defense. So far, the physical evidence supports Zimmerman's claims.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 02:20 PM (8y9MW)

262 "This case is a mine field, and SCOAMF is walking right into it."

Indeed...

Posted by: HH at March 23, 2012 02:20 PM (KB0hv)

263 for anyone making the "we know" arguments, no you no not. the reason we have the innocent until proven concept and place the burden of proving guilt on the prosecution is because way to man people are comfortable with the "we know" position. anything we have has come from the mfm, they have proven to be biased and untrustworthy for years as well as a propaganda arm of this administration. there is no "reason" to think they are behaving differently. whether or not it is sad and or unfortunate that whatshisname got shot is nowhere near the point - not even n the same room. as unjust as it would be if zimmerman set out to murder whatshisname and did, it would be equally unjust for zimmerman to spend a say in jail over a confrontation started by whatshisname.

in all seriousness, what ever happened to "truth, justice, and the American way?"

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 02:20 PM (Z9EHQ)

264 According to a neighbor, Zimmerman saw a black kid
who was creeping around and really was breaking into houses earlier (I
think a couple weeks prior maybe?) So I think maybe Martin matched the
description. For all we know it could have really been him, we'll never
know because if it was the MSM won't report it.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (/Mla1
i see, but it was not ID'd as Trayvon.
but yes it might be meaningful, might not.

i better go outside , so i won't type.
ha

Posted by: willow at March 23, 2012 02:20 PM (TomZ9)

265 "What's going through your mind?"

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (jUytm)

Apparently a 125 grain JHP.

[Too soon?]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 02:21 PM (nEUpB)

266
After thinking about it, I might even get rid of this part of Obamacare Romneycare.

Nah, never mind. I didn't do it in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Mitt RomneyCare at March 23, 2012 02:21 PM (7+pP9)

267
[Too soon?]

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative) at March 23, 2012 02:21 PM (nEUpB)
== noyours with eternal devotion, Pigpen's testicles

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:22 PM (Dll6b)

268 Hey Dems... go for gun control. Make it a huge issue for 2012. You can't lose!!

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 23, 2012 02:22 PM (Fz7+s)

269 Now, pretend your Martin for a moment. You have some guy following you. What's going through your mind?
Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM (jUytm)

S

what is the value of engaging in all of the speculation? do you have a reason to believe the police wanted to cover for zimmerman?

Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 02:23 PM (Z9EHQ)

270 One thing's for sure - Zimmerman's defense team won't want soothsayer anywhere near the jury pool. Heh.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 23, 2012 02:23 PM (vbh31)

271 God, the formatting here sucks-----------sucks donkey dick

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 23, 2012 02:23 PM (Dll6b)

272 Is this Obamacare thread going to be derailed into a Zimmerman theme like the last Obamacare thread?

Posted by: Lady in Black.....{sigh} at March 23, 2012 02:23 PM (F+Xfj)

273 I think ace should put up a thread on the Martin-Zimmerman case so those who want to discuss it can.

Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2012 02:23 PM (5H6zj)

274 According to her, we can gather Martin knew he was being followed by Zimmerman and was confused as to the reason why.



Now, pretend your Martin for a moment. You have some guy following you. What's going through your mind?

Posted by: soothsayer at March 23, 2012 02:17 PM

Yes, this will hang Zimmerman because we know that a dead gangbanger's girlfriend would NEVER lie

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 02:23 PM (Y+DPZ)

275
"Of course, that might be like squeezing blood from a turnip."

Never said they would get much out of Zimmerman - especially now that the guy's life is effectively over. The fact that he may not be criminally responsible by virtue of the fact that it can't be proven he started the fistfight will, I think, be meaningless when it comes to a civil trial or WD lawsuit. OJ proved that and that MFer actually had to stand for a criminal trial first.


Posted by: Jaws at March 23, 2012 02:23 PM (4I3Uo)

276 Which is a good analysis for a cop trying to determine suspicion in order to stop someone. NOT something a private citizen can use to push a confrontation.
Posted by:at March 23, 2012 02:19 PM (0q2P7)
True. But you're buying into the idea that he was pushing a confrontation. He may have just been trying to keep an eye on Martin,and didn't really intend to catch him. And if Martin ran, even if he wanted to keep his distance he'd have to run after him. I don't know why he wanted to keep an eye on Martin so desperately if he didn't actually see him do anything, but there could be other facts out there.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:24 PM (/Mla1)

277 Golly, sorry to go on topic, but I'm headed down to the court house for the protest.
I hope the the OWSers aren't there. I'll report back later.

Posted by: Derak at March 23, 2012 02:24 PM (VEhDR)

278 New thread up - about this case.

Posted by: Y-not at March 23, 2012 02:24 PM (5H6zj)

279 Zimmerman said that he got out of his car to see the street sign and was attacked from behind. Two eyewitnesses place Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating the shit out of him when he got shot. Police believed the witnesses plus the physical injuries. Why is this so hard to get.

Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 02:24 PM (HwrJu)

280 Allen, can you tell me what stupid thing you believe Martin to have done?

Besides fighting someone with a gun? Or is that enough?

Getting into fights is stupid. Sometimes it's your only (or best, even if there's another one) option, but that does not appear to be the case here. Also, when some dude chased him at night, he could have dropped the call to his GF, and then called 9-1-1.

One more time: I don't know what happened. Unless you're actually Mr. Zimmerman, or Zombie Trayvon Martin, you don't either. So stop trying to hang Zimmerman.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at March 23, 2012 02:25 PM (8y9MW)

281 217
Let's all remember, Casey Anthony was acquitted in the same jurisdiction.


Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 02:05 PM

The jury was from Hillsborough County (Clearwater, St Pete) because the judge ruled that an Orange County jury was so riled up that she couldn't get a fair trial

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 02:25 PM (Y+DPZ)

282 Zimmerman said that he got out of his car to see the street sign and was attacked from behind. Two eyewitnesses place Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating the shit out of him when he got shot. Police believed the witnesses plus the physical injuries. Why is this so hard to get.
Posted by: Hedgehog at March 23, 2012 02:24 PM (HwrJu)

Because that account isn't reported on any of the MSM news channels, which is no surprise.

Posted by: yinzer at March 23, 2012 02:26 PM (/Mla1)

283 Protests in favor of religious liberty, women's rights ...

al arabiya reports nearly 1000 Pakistani women (all but a few being Muslim) murdered by family members, none of whom are prosecuted for honor killings, despite Pakistani Parliamentary legislation granting lip service to equal rights.

On "universal health care," of the nearly 1000 murdered wives-daughters-sisters, less than two dozen were offered any medical care after being attacked and left to die.

Should Rush Limbaugh make Sharia Law his butt for jokes as Mark Steyn has done, and champion women's rights, the right to choose one's own marital spouse at least, American skanks would clobber themselves "advancing" their Rush fatwa.

/Mr. Limbaugh, I don't tweet. But if you award someone your ipad prize based on this idea, I would gladly accept the "free" item that you funded as a gift.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 02:26 PM (lpWVn)

284 in all seriousness, what ever happened to "truth, justice, and the American way?"
Posted by: yankeefifth at March 23, 2012 02:20 PM (Z9EHQ)

Black Kryptonite has a strange effect on America now days. It's going to get worse before the race monger in-chief is out of office.

Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 02:27 PM (JfvbF)

285 But we're all grown ups here who have been around the block a few times and met a dozen Zimmermans in our lifetimes.
Yep. And some of us have grown up and lived in cities like Philadelphia where the "innocent" Treyvons go around town and commit race-based assaults on a daily basis and are not held accountable due to media embargoes and government fears of lawsuits. Zimmerman would have been hung, drawn and quartered already in this town.
We have a DOJ led by an attorney general who is on the record saying that crimes committed against whites by minorities are not a priority because we haven't "suffered enough".
So please pardon me if I don't automatically cede ground to the race pimps and hustlers. I'll wait on the evidence.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 02:27 PM (YmPwQ)

286 The link above reported that Paul Blart called 911 something like 46 times since the beginning of the year. Sounds like he decided to handle bidness in a more hands-on fashion this time.

Posted by: Gristle Encased Head at March 23, 2012 02:28 PM (+lsX1)

287 Zimmerman called 911 before the shooting

Yeh, sounds like he just didn't like him and felt like killing a black kid who was only collecting money for UNICEF.

What was Zimmerman hiding!!!!

/sarc off

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 02:31 PM (Y+DPZ)

288 Should Rush Limbaugh make Sharia Law his butt for jokes as Mark Steyn has done, and champion women's rights, the right to choose one's own marital spouse at least, American skanks would clobber themselves "advancing" their Rush fatwa.

Posted by: maverick muse at March 23, 2012 02:26 PM (lpWVn)


You silly war on women promoter! Women want CONDOMS, not clits! Don't try to relate clit chopping to a woman's right to free birth control. Hasn't Pelosi taught you any-Flukin-thing? :-)

Posted by: Havedash at March 23, 2012 02:31 PM (JfvbF)

289 Maybe in NY they can stay at Ace's hotel: "When you take a step inside the Ace Hotel, you're taking a step into a lot of culture and a little bit of retro rock-and-roll. "
http://tinyurl.com/8ypbxvu

Posted by: my heart still belongs to herman cain at March 23, 2012 02:31 PM (oZfic)

290 We have a DOJ led by an attorney general who is on
the record saying that crimes committed against whites by minorities are
not a priority because we haven't "suffered enough".

So please pardon me if I don't automatically cede ground to the race pimps and hustlers. I'll wait on the evidence.

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 02:27 PM

This +1000

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 02:32 PM (Y+DPZ)

291 The whole "If Zman chased after him, he's the aggressor" falls apart on one point: The attack. Travon, somehow or another, was involved in a fight. We know he was being followed, we know he stopped (or was stopped) and we know there was a fight. There's both physical evidence and eyewitness on those points.

Did he ambush the follower? Maybe. If so, he's at fault. That's consistent with the evidence of a physical attack and Z's innocence.

Did he stop running and ask why he was being followed? If so, Z is at fault. But--at this point--that scenario is not consistent with the evidence. Why then the fight? Because the event ends there as T and Z explain themselves, you would think.

There's one more possibility then, he stops, asks, and Z gets aggressive, maybe tries to physically restrain, and then the fight. That's consistent with the evidence and T's innocence but inconsistent with Z having a gun. Why physically attempt restraint when drawing the weapon is simpler and safer? But: People do dumb things and maybe that's what he did.

The thing we don't know--and it is the whole crux of who is innocent--is what/who caused/initiated the altercation.

Posted by: Jimmuy at March 23, 2012 02:33 PM (BLEio)

292 I'm going to cut straight to the chase.

This case will get solved.

Start here-these are the 911 tapes-

http://www.wftv.com/videos/news/teen-shooting-911-calls-4-to-6/vGZrB/

At about the 5 minute 30 second mark there is an actual witness. Kind of in shock but...

Also in tapes 1-3 you can actually here someone in the background repeatedly yelling for help.

Another witness says he "heard wrestling'.

There is going to be evidence.

Either Zimmerman is going to have beat marks or the kid is.

Posted by: tasker at March 23, 2012 02:36 PM (r2PLg)

293 Ace has a thread up on this now

Posted by: kbdabear at March 23, 2012 02:41 PM (Y+DPZ)

294 Somebody on Facebook actually made a cogent point. The MSM has been showing photos of both Zimmerman and Martin. The Martin photo was taken when he was 12 years old....when he was shorter and skinnier. On the night he was shot he was 6 foot 3. Wonder why that is?
Also saw a, er, pun......if Hispannics are now white does that mean it's no longer racist to oppose illegal immigration?

Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 02:44 PM (YmPwQ)

295 "One is that, alas, black on white crime is so common as to be not newsworthy, whereas the reverse is rare and hence, oddly, makes national news."

Yes, and I've mentioned some of the genetic, biology-based reasons why this is so. Far-east Asian on whomever crime is even rarer, again for biological reasons.

Posted by: Random at March 23, 2012 03:15 PM (NvI3l)

296 Wrong thread.

Posted by: Random at March 23, 2012 03:15 PM (NvI3l)

297 "Generally speaking (and in most states) killing in self-defense is
justifiable only as a last resort, after all other reasonable, available
measures have been taken to avoid that deadly use of force."

No, that isn't true. It is especially not true in Florida, and was established by our Supreme Court in 1982 before the stand your ground law was implemented.

In this case, regardless of the actions that occurred leading up, if Zimmerman was on the ground getting the shit beat out of him by Travis, then he was justified in using deadly force. The law recognizes the perception of being put under threat, and also that deadly force doesn't mean having a gun.

During my wife's CCW class, the instructor gave a very graphic example of how dangerous someone with a knife is, and instilled on the class that you WILL shoot someone coming at you in a threatening manner, regardless of whether or not they have a gun. Once they are in contact with you, your chances of defending yourself go way down.

If Zimmerman is injured (and reports indicated he was) and Travis was shot in the chest (again reports indicate he was), then this is very likely to be determined to be self defense. There will probably by trial now, because of the political pressure, but in the end Zimmerman will be found not guilty.

Posted by: Dave in Fla at March 23, 2012 03:36 PM (8TANr)

298 Just got back from downtown Salt Lake. Had about 150 there. Might have been more but the location did allow for a much bigger crowd.

Posted by: Mark formerly in Spokane,now in Sandy Ut at March 23, 2012 03:57 PM (8ac7j)

299 Zimmerman should throw a stick in the spokes by doing his first interview....in Spanish....on Telemundo.

Posted by: Annoyer of Liberal Acquaintances at March 23, 2012 04:02 PM (nTjSs)

300
Posted by: my heart still belongs to herman cain at March 23, 2012 02:31 PM (oZfic)



Gagggggggggg! I am so sick of this piece of shit troll.

Posted by: jem at March 23, 2012 04:15 PM (0oYHO)

301 Photo and link to San Diego Tribune coverage of the rally at the County Administration Center this afternoon.


Click on my name.

Posted by: mpfs at March 23, 2012 05:16 PM (iYbLN)

302 "Zimmerman should throw a stick in the spokes by doing his first interview....in Spanish....on Telemundo."

Nope..Univision. Much larger audience.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at March 23, 2012 05:20 PM (MbeR6)

303 About 500 at the Chicago rally. If there hadn't been a continuous cold rain we might have had more. (I'm drying off now.) Crowd enthusiastic and loud, especially when the kids from St John's came, chanted "Free-dom! Free-dom!". Crowd really stoked. Good response in horns honking as cars drove by during the lunch hour. Most passer-by were neutral. No ugliness. A couple of thumbs down and smirks. Only one lady who I saw really complaining. Crowd very well behaved. Police were cool and relaxed and we thanked them as we left. Crowd dispersed at 1:05 PM. No media except, to their credit, one reporter doing interviews of the crowd for NPR.

Posted by: ahem at March 23, 2012 05:38 PM (3C5fW)

304 Today I attendedthe first political rally of my 67 years. It was in Sarasota, Fl and was very well attended. As with ahem above, many, many driving by honked or yelled their support. One gentleman originally from Russia told everyone how it was in his former country. I think people are "stoked" and will not put up with this garbage from O and the politicans.

Posted by: path at March 23, 2012 05:54 PM (CA5Ve)

305 ABC news in Chicago covered in for about 20 seconds on its 5 o'clock news: a bunch of religious cranks who disagree with all the marvelous things Obamacare is going to do for us. No crowd shots. Meanwhile, 3 minutes on a Trayvon Wilson march across town. No mention of the first amendment. Kind of like this thread.

Posted by: ahem at March 23, 2012 06:17 PM (3C5fW)

306
....... No mention of the first amendment. Kind of like this thread.....
Yeah, tell me about it.

Posted by: Our Forgotten Constitution at March 23, 2012 06:19 PM (sJKFk)

307 Behind every religious freedom zealot is a male who wants wumen to return to the caves and wash the damn dishes, whip up some grub, and perform sexual actions upon command from her barbaric male.

Ah, the good ole days...

Posted by: Buttclapper at March 23, 2012 06:30 PM (Q63S1)

308 I attended my local rally and I can report that there was no public shitting or human microphones.

Posted by: Hidajunshin at March 23, 2012 06:56 PM (VWlmO)

309 The local news -- KYW1060, CBS3, 6ABC and NBC10 -- are spending more time covering the asinine "million hoodie march" than anything else.

Nary a mention of the rally for religious liberty today.

Rat-fuckers.

Posted by: clp at March 23, 2012 09:44 PM (SJC5V)

310 "The Martin photo was taken when he was 12 years old....when he was shorter and skinnier. On the night he was shot he was 6 foot 3.
Posted by: Damn Sockpuppet at March 23, 2012 02:44 PM (YmPwQ"

He was 6 foot 3 at 140 lbs young man against an armed man 250lbs who is pursuing him. How does that work for you now?

Neither hispanic or latino are races, common mistake though.

People like Alec keep pointing to testimoy and rumor the police submitted, but if you look on the net, the witnesses and actual 911 tapes are telling a different story.

Posted by: Justus Brothas at March 23, 2012 10:43 PM (5xuOJ)






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