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Has the EU, ECB, IMF, and Greece finally -- at long last -- come to terms on the latest bailout package? It won't work, of course; Greece is simply not capable of achieving the present cuts nor the future productivity it would take to get themselves out of this hole. I also suspect that the Greeks themselves won't stand for it; they'll elect a new government that will repudiate the deal and that will be that. (I'm still not sure how this isn't a default, and why it wouldn't trigger CDS contracts. I guess it's just a matter of everyone playing "let's pretend" for a while longer.) UPDATE: More on this from Fox News.

Having run out of other people's money, Spanish socialists pour into the streets to protest. This is very much according to historical precedent. Socialists are neither very smart nor sensitive to irony, but give them this: they are consistent.

The upside of government default.

Today, there is a good chance that the U.S. government, like the state governments of the 1840s, will be forced to default on its explicit and implicit promises within the next few decades. Exactly how and when is less certain. But the fundamental and massive budgetary changes required to prevent a fiscal crisis are politically unimaginable. Perhaps only default can impose the necessary fiscal discipline. Fortunately, the state government experience of the 1840s suggests that this may provide the best and most durable long-run solution.

A shortage of tires - another sign of a possible dip back into recession territory?

Even an Ivy League degree is no guarantee of a fat paycheck any more -- the "signaling" effect of a higher-education degree no longer carries the same power it used to. STEM majors can still depend on good job prospects post-graduation, but Fine Arts, Women's Studies, and French Medieval Poetry majors may find it tougher sledding.

I've long thought that entitlement program reform will not be undertaken seriously until events force it upon us...and signs are that this time is now at hand, especially for Medicare. Reality will impose fiscal discipline in one way or another, as it always does.

How can gas prices be spiking if demand is actually shrinking? Some of this is a combination of external factors: the situation with Iran, a lack of refining capacity, a switchover between winter and spring gasoline blends, taxes, and so on. But none of this is actually an indicator of increased economic activity -- in fact, it points to exactly the reverse.

Victor Davis Hanson: Ten new Commandments for His Majesty's brave new Socialist Republic.

Is a move to a defined-contribution plan like the 401(k) in the works for the American military? The government's parlous financial situation might force their hand, but it would probably be a good idea regardless -- soldiers could accrue their own savings and take the money with them if and when they leave the service, rather than getting a heaping helping of nothing if they separate before they have twenty years in.

Walter Russell Mead: The Great American Impasse.

My concern is that the costs of living the way we want to live are rising faster than our ability to pay for them. That was true even before the current bout of bad economic times and it will be true even when it is over. It’s an unsustainable edifice; the termites are eating the foundations of our house and the answer isn’t to add another story to this rickety building.

"As far as I am concerned, [John] Rawls is the Regis Philbin of political philosophy." Thank God I'm not the only one who thinks so.

South Carolina's estimated public-sector pension shortfall? A mere $13 billion. (Rep. James L. Petigru said of South Carolina back in the Civil War era: "South Carolina is too small for a republic and too large for an insane asylum.")

S**t just got real in Riverdale.

The Great Repression.

Historically, periods of high indebtedness have been associated with a rising incidence of default or restructuring of public and private debts. A subtle type of debt restructuring takes the form of “financial repression”. Financial repression includes directed lending to government by captive domestic audiences (such as pension funds), explicit or implicit caps on interest rates, regulation of cross-border capital movements, and (generally) a tighter connection between governments and banks … Low nominal interest rates help reduce debt servicing costs while a high incidence of negative real interest rates liquidates or erodes the real value of government debt. Thus, financial repression is most successful in liquidating debts when accompanied by a steady dose of inflation.

Bob "The Bear" Janjuah brings the DOOM.


Posted by: Monty at 08:40 AM



Comments

1 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:40 AM (8y9MW)

2 Gas baby Gas. All Doom All the time

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 21, 2012 08:43 AM (i6RpT)

3 Because it must be said: If an individual were running a company the way Obama and his cronies are running the US Government, they'd be in jail for a long time.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:44 AM (8y9MW)

4 Gas prices are killing me. I love my job, but I drive 400+ miles every week. Even with my Sentra, I'm having to fill up (at just under $40.00 each time) twice a week. And that's not counting gas in the van my wife drives (though she doesn't use all that much, really, now that she's a stay-at-home mom).

Thanks, Liberals: because of you we have no new refining capacity (not that we'd be using it right at this moment), and all of those oil wells you said wouldn't come on-line for 10 years (you were lying, and we all know it) would be coming on-line right about now, if you'd been telling the truth in the first place.

But, no, we can't pursue energy independence (dare I say: dominance). That would upset the frail temperaments of a bunch of 3rd world barbarians.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:48 AM (8y9MW)

5 Monty, I was promised Doom and you still haven't delivered. Are you sending it via USPS or what?

Posted by: Ben at February 21, 2012 08:51 AM (wuv1c)

6 The upside of government default.

TL;DR Version: Letting nature take its course, economically speaking, is usually far better than attempting to "improve" upon it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:53 AM (8y9MW)

7
So Europe is going to give Greece 173 billion so they don't default in March? Are they going to keep doing this in perpetuity?

Posted by: Ben at February 21, 2012 08:54 AM (wuv1c)

8 Gas prices are killing me. I love my job, but I drive 400+ miles every
week. Even with my Sentra, I'm having to fill up (at just under $40.00
each time) twice a week.



Have you thought of buying a new $45K electric car with a 25-mile range? You get a tax credit you know. Just make sure you don't hit anything. Or if you do, have a halon cannister at the ready.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 21, 2012 08:55 AM (7utQ2)

9 So Europe is going to give Greece 173 billion so they don't default in March? Are they going to keep doing this in perpetuity?


If by perpetuity you mean, "Portugal" then yes.

Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 21, 2012 08:56 AM (7utQ2)

10 So Europe is going to give Greece 173 billion so they don't default in March? Are they going to keep doing this in perpetuity?

I've been wondering about this, as well. Wouldn't it have been more fiscally prudent just to forgive Greece's then-out-standing debt about $.5T ago? Because all the current plans are just adding more debt on top of their current debt. And since they can't issue their own fiat currency to inflate their way out of said debt (a major reason the US is unlikely to default, even if it means losing our position as the default reserve currency), they will never, ever be able to get out from under that debt.

They're having to finance the interest on their current debt. Wouldn't it be kinder just to let the default? And better for everyone in the long run?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:57 AM (8y9MW)

11 Or if you do, have a halon cannister at the ready.
Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 21, 2012 08:55 AM (7utQ2)

Or a good life insurance policy

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 21, 2012 08:58 AM (i6RpT)

12 Thanks for all your hard work, Monty.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 08:58 AM (ImSXR)

13 Have you thought of buying a new $45K electric car with a 25-mile range?
You get a tax credit you know. Just make sure you don't hit anything.
Or if you do, have a halon cannister at the ready.


I did think about getting a Prius a few years ago, the premium on them was (and still is, really) just too high to justify. The gas prices wouldn't hurt so much, though.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:59 AM (8y9MW)

14 Morning jackwagons. My body decided to Doom me last night (dear body I hate you too) with a bout of a stomach bug. Stupid not being a being of pure energy.


I maintain my position that at some point VDH is going to kill a guy with a trident.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 21, 2012 08:59 AM (Gk3SS)

15 I maintain my position that at some point VDH is going to kill a guy with a trident.

I'd pay a dollar to see that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 09:00 AM (8y9MW)

16 But, no, we can't pursue energy independence (dare I say: dominance). That would upset the frail temperaments of a bunch of 3rd world barbarians.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:48 AM (8y9MW)
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As long as you can wrap your head around the fact that the Liberals/Progressives/Collectivists hate the United States of America and ernestly wish for and are working towards its destruction, everything those bastards do makes sense.

Posted by: Retired Buckeye Cop at February 21, 2012 09:01 AM (M0NzJ)

17 From down-thread:

When we hear politicians say stuff, let's try to put it into perspective.

Can the President outlaw contraceptives? No.

Can the President ban all abortions? No.

Etc., etc.

Yes, a total ban on contraceptives could occur in theory, but it would have to be passed by Congress first. Never gonna happen.

Point is, if Santorum wants to criticize contraception, let him. The criticism I see is that these are stupid things to say, but some of it is a fear the he might actually do some of this stuff if he's elected. Come on. It will never happen.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:03 AM (ImSXR)

18 Morning jackwagons. My body decided to Doom me last night (dear body I hate you too) with a bout of a stomach bug. Stupid not being a being of pure energy.

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Damn, AtC, we must be psychically connected or something. I had a bout with some kind of crud over the weekend too. (Can't be on a workday, oh no. Mustn't throw sand in the gears of commerce. My body only craps out on weekends.)

As soon as the androids are perfected and the mind-uploading algorithms are debugged, I'm kicking this piece-of-shit OEM gear to the curb and getting myself installed in the "Bender" model.

Posted by: Monty at February 21, 2012 09:04 AM (/0a60)

19 Re: gas prices. Let them go up. We all deserve to suffer when a Socialist is in the White House. After all, we fucking put him there. You. Me. Everybody.

Conservatives and Republicans share the blame, not as much as liberals obviously, but we do bear some responsibility.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:05 AM (ImSXR)

20 Yes, a total ban on contraceptives could occur in theory, but it would have to be passed by Congress first. Never gonna happen.



My counterpoint to this is--if Obama is re-elected we will discover just how far executive orders and regulatory power grabs can go.


Posted by: Circa (Insert Year Here) at February 21, 2012 09:05 AM (7utQ2)

21 Wow. Ze Krauts hav decided to toss another shipload of cash into the Greek black hole. Smart.

Posted by: maddogg at February 21, 2012 09:07 AM (OlN4e)

22 @20: Yes, however with respect to abortion and contraceptives, a President still cannot outlaw them.

What kind of executive order can a President Santorum issue that would justify people's fears?

My God, it sounds like I'm defending Rick Santorum. I fucking hate this.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:08 AM (ImSXR)

23 lol joffen

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 21, 2012 09:09 AM (Ho2rs)

24 <<I did think about getting a Prius a few years ago, the premium on them
was (and still is, really) just too high to justify. The gas prices
wouldn't hurt so much, though.>>

A Prius has always been a status buy not an economic one since there are plenty of other non hybrids that get equivalent mileage for less money. I made up an excel sheet to calculate the cost for gasoline over the life of a car assuming 200k miles. I was surprised at how little you save going from 30 mpg to 35mpg. Well at least if the upper limit was $5 a gal.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 21, 2012 09:10 AM (tf9Ne)

25 sticky note on the gas pump time........"The policies of the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure are directly responsible for the rise in gas prices....if you voted for obama in 2008...YOU are part of the problem.....REDEEM YOURSELF IN 2012!"

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 21, 2012 09:11 AM (Ho2rs)

26 I had a bout with some kind of crud over the weekend too. (Can't be on a workday, oh no. Mustn't throw sand in the gears of commerce. My body only craps out on weekends.)


This is the first time I've called off sick since I started in November. November, 2010 that it. I draw the line at throwing up at work unless utterly necessary. Pretty much everything else I'll slog through.

I am uploading my consciousness as soon as I can. These meat sacks sucks.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 21, 2012 09:11 AM (Gk3SS)

27 >>That would upset the frail temperaments of a bunch of 3rd world barbarians

But enough about Al Gore and his merry band of anti-science primitive theocrats.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 21, 2012 09:11 AM (ZKzrr)

28 Gas prices have gone up near me.

I can find regular unleaded for $3.38 now at some
stations it's averaging $3.44 though.

I have a car that gets exceptional gas mileage so I can cope. Anything higher than $4.00 and a lot of people will probably take up car pooling.

Posted by: McLovin at February 21, 2012 09:11 AM (j0IcY)

29 Am I to understand that we can no longer link to stories in the comments anymore?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:12 AM (ImSXR)

30 >>What kind of executive order can a President Santorum issue that would justify people's fears?

The same kind of executive orders Obama's issuing?

Hell, his wife is giving directives to food processors.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 21, 2012 09:13 AM (ZKzrr)

31
29Am I to understand that we can no longer link to stories in the comments anymore?

Shit, Dude. Your lucky if the fucking thing refreshes. This fucking blog is on life support.

Posted by: maddogg at February 21, 2012 09:14 AM (OlN4e)

32 It's about time that shit got real in Riverdale. We've elected Jughead Jones as president, and his lunatic FLOTUS, Ethel Dinklehof, is attempting to rewrite the menu down at Pop Tate's Chocklit Shoppe.

Posted by: Fritz at February 21, 2012 09:18 AM (/ZZCn)

33 Morning jackwagons,

Switching from pensions to 401(k)s would be a disaster for the military. I'm pretty sure that the people who propose this shit have no clue just how crucial pensions are as a retention tool. If you kill the pensions, you'll lose the biggest tool to retain
midlevel officers and NCOs, the guys who are at ten years and trying to
decide whether to stay or go. Remember that these guys don't have the ability to set down roots in a community, or rely on a spouses career to provide while they learn a knew skill set. Worse is telling a 40 year old E6 with a fucked up back and knees that he can't draw that money until he's 59.5. Most of them are broken by the twenty year mark, so they can't just go work freight down at the supermarket or lumber yard.

Another reason I'm glad I'm getting out now.

Posted by: Alex at February 21, 2012 09:18 AM (L/4gD)

34 LOL!

http://tinyurl.com/6srsxw3

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:19 AM (zyaZ1)

35 @30: Obama is issuing executive orders that are based on (shitty, awful) law. Correct? And Moochelle is strongly "suggesting" companies stop making large candy bars, etc.

My point is, the only way a President can issue an EO is if it has some basis in law. It can be very tenuous, yes. I just don't see what a President Santorum can use to ban contraceptives or abortion or whatever silly fears people have.

Now, if I'm wrong on how EO's work, if the President can, in fact, dictate law without justification that I admit my error.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:19 AM (ImSXR)

36 "I maintain my position that at some point VDH is going to kill a guy with a trident."

I would fly anywhere in the CONUS, pay a scalper's ticket price, and splurgeat theconcession standto see that live.

Posted by: Jaws at February 21, 2012 09:19 AM (4I3Uo)

37 effing blog hates my space bar

Posted by: Jaws at February 21, 2012 09:20 AM (4I3Uo)

38 <<This fucking blog is on life support.>>

It's on NHS style life support. Ignore it till it dies.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 21, 2012 09:20 AM (tf9Ne)

39 Switching from pensions to 401(k)s would be a disaster for the military.

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I'm not so sure. If you get out before your 20, you get a pat on the head and a kick in the ass out the door. With a 401(k) (or something similar), you can take your savings with you.

Posted by: Monty at February 21, 2012 09:21 AM (/0a60)

40 I maintain my position that at some point VDH is going to kill a guy with a trident.

I expect him to have a breakdown and end up attacking some copper thief while dressed in full Athenian hoplite regalia.

Posted by: Alex at February 21, 2012 09:21 AM (L/4gD)

41 30
>>What kind of executive order can a President Santorum issue that would justify people's fears?

The same kind of executive orders Obama's issuing?




Dumbasses take no for an answer. Socialists, not so much.

Posted by: s☺mej☼e at February 21, 2012 09:22 AM (udEUT)

42 Monty,

Hope you got the chart.

The gist is, thanks to Obama's policies, the economy is about $1.5 trillion smaller than it should be.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at February 21, 2012 09:23 AM (4FMX7)

43 I had to read rawls in 2 different classes...all I remember is the Original Position, which sounded kinda dirty.

Posted by: jeanne! at February 21, 2012 09:23 AM (gNILI)

44 I maintain my position that at some point VDH is going to kill a guy with a trident.

He did drop an f-bomb on the Ricochet podcast last week.

Posted by: BishopWash at February 21, 2012 09:26 AM (liT8W)

45 >>My point is, the only way a President can issue an EO is if it has some basis in law.

My point is, the SCOAMF doesn't give a shit about "basis in law." The Precedent has set a precedent, babee! They're scared a President Santorum is going to use their tactics against them.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 21, 2012 09:26 AM (ZKzrr)

46 I'm not so sure. If you get out before your 20, you get a pat on the
head and a kick in the ass out the door. With a 401(k) (or something
similar), you can take your savings with you.


The thing is, most guys get out before they hit ten years, so the payoff isn't that big. Your contributions as a private aren't going to be that much, and most guys will hit E6-E7 right about the 8-10 year mark, which is when it becomes important to deciding whether to stay in or not. You don't see a whole lot of guys getting out at 15, 16, 17 years unless they have something that pays well lined up. In fact, military regulations are supposed to prevent them from kicking you out if you're within 3-5 years of retirement precisely to prevent guys from getting screwed.

Posted by: Alex at February 21, 2012 09:26 AM (L/4gD)

47 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 08:59 AM (8y9MW)

Too bad your betters in Washington have decided that you can't buy a car with a high-efficiency turbo-diesel. They get great mileage, have fantastic acceleration, and are quite clean. Oh, they run forever too.

Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJconservative) at February 21, 2012 09:26 AM (nEUpB)

48 I maintain my position that at some point VDH is going to kill a guy with a trident.

He did drop an f-bomb on the Ricochet podcast last week.



Seriously? We are so so utterly Dooooooomed.


On the gas prices thing, it's $3.65 down here. I never thought I'd see gas equaling the price of a pack of cigarettes.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 21, 2012 09:29 AM (Gk3SS)

49 If you kill the pensions, you'll lose the biggest tool to retain

midlevel officers and NCOs, the guys who are at ten years and trying to

decide whether to stay or go


I was thinking about just that. And it probably would have some negative effect on retention: if you're going to get your "pension" (well 401(k)) anyway, why stay in 10 more years? I don't think it would really be as bad as you're initially assuming.

But another option might be to have the pension still exist, but in some reduced form that can then be supplemented by the 401(k). So if you stay in your 20+ years, you're actually getting something out of it that the guy who just did 1 or 2 terms can't get.

On the other hand, however much we appreciate those officers and NCOs, what can't be paid, won't. If it's a question of "convert to 401(k)" or "default on the pensions," can you tell me any military personnel who would take "nothing" over "something?"

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 09:30 AM (8y9MW)

50 @45: A President cannot issue an EO without some basis in law. All of Obama's EO's were justified, to him and his Administration, based on some part of the law.

As far as I can tell, no President can ever enact a total ban on contraceptives or abortion because there would be no law backing it up.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:30 AM (ImSXR)

51 Doom today? But it's a holiday!

Holiday cats linked in my name.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 21, 2012 09:30 AM (XdlcF)

52 Too bad your betters in Washington have decided that you can't buy a car with a high-efficiency turbo-diesel.

I thought VW sold Turbo-diesels. Or is that some other engine type that goes by a similar name?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 09:32 AM (8y9MW)

53 My point is, the SCOAMF doesn't give a shit about
"basis in law." The Precedent has set a precedent, babee! They're scared
a President Santorum is going to use their tactics against them.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 21, 2012 09:26 AM (ZKzrr)

Not that I am saying that it ought not be done, but it should be pointed out that if we come to a point where each successive President is issuing wild EOs countermanding the preceding President and Congress every four years, everything, and I do mean everything, will go straight to hell in short order.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 21, 2012 09:32 AM (RQf8L)

54 Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot wrote, 29 Am I to understand that we can no longer link to stories in the comments anymore?

You have to post the naked link. For long URLs you can use http://tinyurl.com to create a shorter version.

You can even customize the link name if you want.
http://tinyurl.com/humpermonkey
http://tinyurl.com/dogsinelk

Posted by: Looking Glass at February 21, 2012 09:32 AM (nbj44)

55 @54: Thanks. So no HTML tags?

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:34 AM (ImSXR)

56 As an aside, they're rioting in Afghanistan over a Quran burning again.


They burn more of their own books killing one another than we ever have. You have to be blind or just stupid to not know that, and yet the media will doubtless be all over this today.

Posted by: Kinley Ardal at February 21, 2012 09:35 AM (RQf8L)

57 I maintain my position that at some point VDH is going to kill a guy with a trident.

The way things are going in his neck of the woods, it would probably be a textbook self-defense case. But it would also most likely be against someone of protected melanin status, so VDH will then be writing from the graybar hotel.

Posted by: Jaws at February 21, 2012 09:35 AM (4I3Uo)

58 – Unemployment in the U.S. rose to nine percent in mid-February, up from 8.3 percent a month earlier, according to a new Gallup survey. The polling company said this suggests that it is “premature” to assume the economy will not feature prominently in the 2012 election season.
Gallup figures typically provide an indication of what the government will report at the end of the month.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 21, 2012 09:35 AM (i6RpT)

59 @58: DOOOM.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:36 AM (ImSXR)

60 Spanish socialists. That's who owns my former employer.

Current one is owned by Chinese socialists.

Oh well, at least I'm only commuting 8 miles a day total (sorry, Allen).

Posted by: Scott J at February 21, 2012 09:36 AM (WAhu6)

61 Mardi Gras talk makes me think of King Cake. Fucking love that stuff.

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:36 AM (zyaZ1)

62 Oh well, at least I'm only commuting 8 miles a day total

Braggart.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 09:37 AM (8y9MW)

63 It is Ricochet's weekly free podcast, http://ricochet.com/main-feed/Ricochet-Podcast-106-The-Professors, worth a listen.

Posted by: BishopWash at February 21, 2012 09:37 AM (liT8W)

64 Maybe, just maybe our Top Commie picked his own poison-gas prices.

The petrol market is so skittish, just showing the intention to not build Keystone affected futures.

China buys what Canada had intended to sell to us.

Way to go, Soetoro!

Posted by: BP in NJ at February 21, 2012 09:38 AM (j84s0)

65 I agree, the Ricochet podcast is pretty pwn. Usually comes out on Wednesday

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:39 AM (zyaZ1)

66 I thought VW sold Turbo-diesels. Or is that some other engine type that goes by a similar name?


There is some Honda (I think) that gets in the neighborhood of 62 MPG, but is not allowed in America because of some quirk in EPA regulations.


A decent commenter would dig up a link for you.

Posted by: fluffy at February 21, 2012 09:40 AM (vRSeu)

67 If you're in the service and want to tax shelter some money, put it in a Roth. There's no reason to have a nanny there to administer your personal retirement funds.

The "company match" that you'd get from a 401k is the pension contribution. And lets face it, a very generous pension. Having both as an option isn't doable.

Posted by: Clownf*cker at February 21, 2012 09:42 AM (F26eZ)

68 There are a few VW TDIs that get around 40 MPG but due to our emission requirements they aren't as efficient or powerful as the European versions.

Posted by: Scott J at February 21, 2012 09:43 AM (WAhu6)

69 HellFighters starts in 3 minuets on AMC. Some good Nomex, Bunch of anti-commie stuff. Quality

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:43 AM (zyaZ1)

70 If its not too early to go OT does anyone know anything about dream number beds. I was going to get a sleep number but I am not going to jump through flaming hoops to give a company my business.

Posted by: Palerider at February 21, 2012 09:44 AM (FBj6Z)

71 HellFighters starts in 3 minuets


Bach or Mozart?


Typos can be fun.

Posted by: fluffy at February 21, 2012 09:45 AM (vRSeu)

72 If its not too early to go OT does anyone know anything about dream
number beds. I was going to get a sleep number but I am not going to
jump through flaming hoops to give a company my business.


I've never heard of "Dream Number" beds. I just got a sleep number bed, and I love it. I'm not sure what "flaming hoops" you're talking about, though. My purchase was a down-right pleasant experience.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 09:47 AM (8y9MW)

73 If you are in the Service, Use the Thrift Savings Plan. They've been wanting to migrate to that for 20 years. I do agree that If you are an e6 e7 grunt your body is broke as fuck at age 40 in some cases. That should be an option. But there's also alot of double and triple dippers out there that don't need be on the dole at age 45


Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:47 AM (zyaZ1)

74 55 Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot wrote, @54 Looking Glass: Thanks. So no HTML tags?

You can still use the bold and italic HTML tags. Just put square brackets around the "b" or "i" instead of angle brackets. Square brackets might even work with "a href" tags, I haven't checked.

Other tags might also be worth testing. For now I'm content with bold and italic, and tinyurl.

Hang in there.

Posted by: Looking Glass at February 21, 2012 09:47 AM (nbj44)

75 Posted by: fluffy at February 21, 2012 09:45 AM (vRSeu)

Get Off My Lawn

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:47 AM (zyaZ1)

76 Comrades, rising gas prices are a sign of an improving economy. So is the increase in your chocolate ration.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 21, 2012 09:48 AM (1Jaio)

77 A good overview of whats available in Diesel cars for the USA 2012.

http://tinyurl.com/2012-Diesel

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 21, 2012 09:48 AM (tf9Ne)

78 70, hoops? What hoops?

I love our sleep number. Best $2,500 my wife and I ever spent. Moved it from AL to SC over the past weekend. So nice compared to that $249 budget mattress I was using.

Posted by: Scott J at February 21, 2012 09:49 AM (WAhu6)

79 testing a theory

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:50 AM (ImSXR)

80 Get Off My Lawn


Staying up all night makes you grumpy.


Damn kids.

Posted by: fluffy at February 21, 2012 09:50 AM (vRSeu)

81 hey it worked!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 09:50 AM (ImSXR)

82 >>Mardi Gras talk makes me think of King Cake. Fucking love that stuff.

Got some in the fridge. Pretty sure it's a state law that you have to have some.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 21, 2012 09:51 AM (XdlcF)

83 45: By putting the president in charge of contraception they create another bogey man reason for the 52% to fear a conservative president.

Posted by: Palerider at February 21, 2012 09:52 AM (FBj6Z)

84 Damn kids.


Posted by: fluffy at February 21, 2012 09:50 AM (vRSeu)
It's a damn strange thing, that going against nature deal.

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:52 AM (zyaZ1)

85 By putting the president in charge of contraception
they create another bogey man reason for the 52% to fear a conservative
president.


Posted by: Palerider at February 21, 2012 09:52 AM (FBj6Z)


Too bad the SOB's mother didn't use contraception

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 21, 2012 09:53 AM (1Jaio)

86 It does crack me up though thinking back to pre Gulf War 1 propaganda. Once they let them Texas boys get to work on them oil fires they had 'em snuffed out mighty quick.

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 09:54 AM (zyaZ1)

87 Scott J. They used to make you go to a store to order, even though you don't take the mattress home with you. Now it looks like one can order online but browsing the sleep number web site is like wrestling a tar baby. If they can't make it easy for me to give them their money .........

Posted by: Palerider at February 21, 2012 09:55 AM (FBj6Z)

88 Honda lists some Hybrids like the Honda fit Shuttle as getting 30Kilometers per liter or about 70mpg.

They are slightly underpowered but if gas prices continue to be relatively high we will see the introduction of these vehicles which are only available in foreign markets.

Posted by: McLovin at February 21, 2012 09:58 AM (j0IcY)

89 87, oh we went to the store. I was unsure it was worth it until I tried one out.

Posted by: Scott J at February 21, 2012 09:59 AM (WAhu6)

90 Also off topic but one of the cool things about the new gig is I can walk by these items being assembled and then go find them out in the retail market. Kinda cool to be a part of that:
http://tinyurl.com/7mm388m


Posted by: Scott J at February 21, 2012 10:01 AM (WAhu6)

91 wrestling a tar baby

RACIST!

Posted by: Br'er Juhneen Gar-awful-o at February 21, 2012 10:02 AM (nar3i)

92 Btw I still Love ya fluffster

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 10:03 AM (zyaZ1)

93 Well I have been sleeping on a poor mans version with eggshell foam over a cheapo air mattress in my waterbed frame. Quite comfortable until the mattress quits holding air pressure overnight. I hate to be tossing one in the trash every year but I can order with just a few clicks on Amazon.

Posted by: Palerider at February 21, 2012 10:07 AM (FBj6Z)

94 Never doubted ya, Zakn.


Wanna spoon? Have a beer.

Posted by: fluffy at February 21, 2012 10:07 AM (vRSeu)

95 I hate to be tossing one in the trash every year but I can order with just a few clicks on Amazon.

The Sleep Number bed is worth virtually any hassle. But, if you can get into a store, you should. For one thing, they can explain all your options (and you can ask real questions), for another, they'll help you find your sleep number (mine was much lower than I thought it would be, for instance) and give you some good maintenance tips.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 10:09 AM (8y9MW)

96 Always down for brews with a fellow Moron. If we are retarded enough to start drinking tequila, then I suppose spooning might become an option.

Posted by: Zakn at February 21, 2012 10:10 AM (zyaZ1)

97 On the gas prices thing, it's $3.65 down here. I never thought I'd see gas equaling the price of a pack of cigarettes.
Posted by: alexthechick at February 21, 2012 09:29 AM (Gk3SS)

Where'dyou get smokes that cheap? Did they fall off the back of a truck?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2012 10:12 AM (v+QvA)

98 Watched Rev. Franklin Graham on Barry's very own MSDNC this morning. The tension and anger toward him was so thick you could cut it with a knife.

He was criticizing Teh Won for not saying a damned thing about the slaughter of Christians in Egypt since Arab Spring. And he had the nerve to say he wasn't "sure" of Barry's Christian beliefs.

It was.....something.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 21, 2012 10:13 AM (UOM48)

99 Jane, You were watching MSDNC? You were out of Ipecac syrup? Did it work?

Posted by: dagny at February 21, 2012 10:15 AM (u50z0)

100 >>If we are retarded enough to start drinking tequila, then I suppose spooning might become an option.

Tequila, King Cake and Spooning, oh my...

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 21, 2012 10:15 AM (XdlcF)

101 It's a shame Bush fought that war for oil.....

Posted by: dagny at February 21, 2012 10:16 AM (u50z0)

102 And he had the nerve to say he wasn't "sure" of Barry's Christian beliefs.

This is why I'm not quite as sure as some others are that Santorum's remarks will hurt him so badly in the General. It was, indeed, once verboten to express any skepticism that Barry is a Christian (as most other Christians understand the term). But I'm not seeing that nearly so much, anymore.

It's starting to seep out into the public consciousness that Barry isn't a Christian, or, rather, that his "Christianity" is Black Liberation Theology "Christianity," and has little to do with mainstream America.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 10:16 AM (8y9MW)

103 99
Jane, You were watching MSDNC? You were out of Ipecac syrup? Did it work?


Posted by: dagny at February 21, 2012 10:15 AM (u50z0)


Lol. It's a quick way to get the WH daily talking points.
What a bunch of tools they are. And Mika and Joe weren't even there today.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 21, 2012 10:18 AM (UOM48)

104 Mardi Gras talk makes me think of King Cake. Fucking love that stuff.


Mardi Gras makes me think of something else :

Posted by: Jean at February 21, 2012 10:19 AM (WkuV6)

105 Remember when he did an interview and mentioned criticism "of my Muslim faith"? Ahhh good times.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 21, 2012 10:19 AM (ImSXR)

106 Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 10:16 AM (8y9MW)


Obama's Christianity is a facade.

The weaker Ebola gets the bolder his enemies become.

Posted by: eman at February 21, 2012 10:20 AM (DTX4S)

107 It's starting to seep out into the public consciousness that Barry isn't a Christian, or, rather, that his "Christianity" is Black Liberation Theology "Christianity," and has little to do with mainstream America.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 10:16 AM (8y9MW)


Considering that Barry has 1) never (to my knowledge) made a public, credible profession of Christian faith, and2) publicly said the shahada - which is a profession of the Muslim faith - and calling it "one of the prettiest sounds on earth", it's not much of a stretch to conclude that any of his claims on Christianity are cynical at best.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2012 10:20 AM (v+QvA)

108 Where'dyou get smokes that cheap?


I'm down in NC now. The cost of a pack is cheaper than tax in NYC.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 21, 2012 10:21 AM (Gk3SS)

109
Does anyone know the best way to secure some circular saw blades to a set of football shoulder pads?

And does anybody have a crimping iron I could borrow? Don't hold out on me, alexthechick.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at February 21, 2012 10:21 AM (fnB4E)

110 It's starting to seep out into the public consciousness that Barry isn't a Christian, or, rather, that his "Christianity" is Black Liberation Theology "Christianity," and has little to do with mainstream America.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 10:16 AM (8y9MW)


Black Liberation Theology haslittle to do with Christianity, let alone mainstream America.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2012 10:21 AM (v+QvA)

111 And does anybody have a crimping iron I could borrow? Don't hold out on me, alexthechick.


Fine, fine, but I want it back.

Posted by: alexthechick at February 21, 2012 10:35 AM (Gk3SS)

112 Does anyone know the best way to secure some circular saw blades to a set of football shoulder pads?

You have to ask? JB Weld and duct-tape. Duh.

Black Liberation Theology haslittle to do with Christianity, let alone mainstream America.

Exactly. And now people are starting to talk about it- just a little, but it's there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 10:35 AM (8y9MW)

113 Black Liberation Theology has a LOT to do with Islam.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 21, 2012 10:36 AM (O3R/2)

114 Is it just me, or did the comments section take a complete dump for a few minutes?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2012 10:36 AM (v+QvA)

115 Listen up. This is a raid. If you are a racist, please identify yourself.

Posted by: ESPN at February 21, 2012 10:36 AM (OhYCU)

116 The minx.cc server has been having fits and starts.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 21, 2012 10:37 AM (O3R/2)

117 115 Listen up. This is a raid. If you are a racist, please identify yourself.
Posted by: ESPN at February 21, 2012 10:36 AM (OhYCU)


Just racist, or racist-racist?

Posted by: Whoopi Goldberg at February 21, 2012 10:38 AM (v+QvA)

118 Any clue from Pixy on how the coding is going? Should we pitch in and ship him a case of energy drink?

Posted by: joncelli at February 21, 2012 10:39 AM (RD7QR)

119 Is it just me, or did the comments section take a complete dump for a few minutes?

Not just you.

Listen up. This is a raid. If you are a racist, please identify yourself.

No one here is a racist. We're far too lazy.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 21, 2012 10:39 AM (8y9MW)

120 "Does anyone know the best way to secure some circular saw blades to a set of football shoulder pads?"

Use spikes, they look cooler

Posted by: The Lord Humongus at February 21, 2012 10:40 AM (kaOJx)

121 But we were told that conservatives are here. This place must be crawling with racists, homophobes, and bible thumpers.

Posted by: ESPN at February 21, 2012 10:44 AM (OhYCU)

122 "Does anyone know the best way to secure some circular saw blades to a set of football shoulder pads?"

Singer button magic. A saw blade is just a big button'ish thing, right?

http://tinyurl.com/lvmhy9

Posted by: Purple Avenger at February 21, 2012 10:47 AM (fyHyt)

123 What kind of executive order can a President Santorum issue that would justify people's fears?




Sweater vests for everybody!

Posted by: NC Ref at February 21, 2012 10:48 AM (/izg2)

124 Posted by: ESPN at February 21, 2012 10:44 AM (OhYCU)


Don't forget the bitter gun-clingers.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2012 10:49 AM (v+QvA)

125 >>If you are a racist, please identify yourself.

Not me. I hate everyone equally.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 21, 2012 10:49 AM (ZKzrr)

126 Not me. I hate everyone equally.
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 21, 2012 10:49 AM (ZKzrr)


Misanthropy? Here? The deuce you say!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 21, 2012 11:02 AM (v+QvA)

127 I'm Dorkie Dork's goat. (Dork is a sweet little Persian cat that I adopted last year. When she moved in, she decided that lying on me, whatever position I'm in, is the best thing in the world.)

Posted by: SFGoth at February 21, 2012 11:32 AM (dZ756)

128 "As long as you can wrap your head around the fact that the Liberals/Progressives/Collectivists hate the United States of America and ernestly wish for and are working towards its destruction, everything those bastards do makes sense."

Thread winner.

Everyonecango home after they get that far.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 21, 2012 11:56 AM (Bjf6P)

129 If you major French Medieval Poetry you'll find that it is easy to make your living playing the lute.
Big demand for French poetry-reading lute performers!

Posted by: whitehall at February 21, 2012 01:08 PM (FmPSC)






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