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Today's DOOM is going to be short and sweet, my malenky droogs. I had some pain in the gulliver so had to sleep. I was not awakened when I gave orders for wakening.

This certainly feels DOOM-y to me: marriage has become a luxury good. Charles Murray's book Coming Apart tries to underscore that trend with data and extensive cultural observation. This trend portends a lot of things, few of them good. Single mothers are far more likely than married mothers to be poor and thus dependent on the welfare state, for one. For another, the whole concept of "fatherhood" is disappearing from a huge swathe of American life. Men are becoming marginalized and devalued, yet at the same time are faulted for being reluctant to enter into an institution -- marriage -- that is so grotesquely weighted against them in terms of risk versus reward. There is cold comfort to be had here, though: no civilization in the history of the world has survived without the nuclear family as the basic building-block. We will revert back to the mean, sooner or later.

The case for dying broke.

In what is sure to come as a shock to absolutely no one, the Greek debt situation is worse than expected. And since everyone expected it to be catastrophically horrible, that tells you all you need to know.

Something's gotta give.

His Majesty's wicked predecessor is to blame for all the ills befalling the kingdom. His Majesty only wishes his long-suffering people to remember that -- the present King wishes only good things for his long-suffering people.

Risk-aversion, monoculture, and the decay of higher education.

A warning from Britain: the illusion of permanency.

Mr. Weston spoke of how Tony Blair and his British Labor Party set out to destroy traditional Britain by encouraging mass immigration to ensure a majority that would vote for the Welfare State in perpetuity. Millions of people from around the world were invited to move to Britain. Pamphlets were distributed in Pakistan, for example, urging locals to move to England and go on welfare. And both of these actions were facilitated and were, fed, in part, by post-colonial British guilt. Today, although a native British citizen cannot marry more than one spouse, the United Kingdom pays welfare costs for immigrants with up to four wives and their children.

$6 trillion worth of fake US bonds seized in Italy. The real ones won't be worth much more than the fakes before long.

If the goal is simply to increase the number of graduate students, this is probably a good idea. Otherwise...not so much.

The shrinking labor-force participation numbers are starting to get wider attention. The government will continue to fudge the numbers to make the unemployment rate look better than it is, but at some point the cheating gets too obvious to miss.

Posted by: Monty at 08:34 AM



Comments

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Posted by: Is at February 20, 2012 08:37 AM (lpWVn)

2 Good stuff Monty.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 20, 2012 08:38 AM (zLeKL)

3 Monty,

I have a nice chart showing the impact of Obamanomics on our economy. Basically per capita GDP. Could I send it to you?

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at February 20, 2012 08:38 AM (DgnRc)

4 Proof Of Death

There is finally conclusive evidence that Osama bin Laden and Muammar Gaddafi are dead.

Yesterday,they both registered to vote in Chicago.

Posted by: Chain Mail at February 20, 2012 08:39 AM (jJ/Wd)

5 Plunging labor force...

"Returning military members allege job discrimination — by federal government," by Steve Vogel, Washington Post, February 19, 2012

Every year, more than a thousand National Guard, reserve and active-duty troops coming back from Iraq, Afghanistan or other military duties complain of being denied jobs or otherwise being penalized by employers because of their military obligations. The biggest offender: the federal government. In fiscal 2011, more than 18 percent of the 1,548 complaints of violations of that law involved federal agencies, according to figures obtained under the Freedom of Information Act. “On the one hand, the government asked me to serve in Iraq,” said retired Army Brig. Gen. Michael Silva, a reservist who commanded a brigade in Iraq and was fired from his job as a U.S. Customs and Border Patrol contractor on his return. “On the other hand, another branch of government was not willing to protect my rights after serving.” The problems persist even though the Obama administration has made a priority of cutting the rate of veterans’ unemployment, which is significantly higher among post-9/11 veterans than in the population as a whole.

“There seems to be a feeling that the federal government can get away with what they’re doing,” said Matthew Estes, a USERRA lawyer with the law firm Tully Rinckey. Public-sector jobs, including federal, state and local, accounted for 27 percent of the 2,884 USERRA cases handled in fiscal 2011 by Employer Support of the Guard and Reserve, a Defense Department office that tries to resolve problems through informal mediation and education. Federal officials acknowledge the violations and say that the chief challenge has been educating supervisors in the field. Some federal employers have forced reservists to leave military service as a condition of their hiring, which is also against the law, according to Samuel Wright, director of the Service Members Law Center at the Reserve Officers Association. “Federal agencies are routinely doing that,” Wright said. The Defense Department, including the Army, Navy, Air Force and various defense agencies, had 75 USERRA cases filed with the Labor Department last year, while Veterans Affairs had the second most, with 46 complaints. Other major offenders include the Department of Homeland Security and the U.S. Postal Service.

Posted by: Israel Thornstein at February 20, 2012 08:39 AM (lpWVn)

6 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 08:40 AM (8y9MW)

7 Could I send it to you?

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Send it to aoshqdoom AT gmail DOT com and I'll keep an eye out for it -- make sure that you put my name in the subject line because it's a group account.

Posted by: Monty at February 20, 2012 08:41 AM (/0a60)

8 Tire Doom. Link in my name.

No, really.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 20, 2012 08:43 AM (XdlcF)

9 I'm sure Blair would say his real motivation was that Britons simply didn't have enuff of their own kids, and new people have to come from somewhere.

Sort of the way we prop up our society with illegals.

But why look for them in the 7th century (Pakistan) instead of, say, eastern Europe? Why set out to dilute Europe's own culture, and indigenous demographics?

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 08:44 AM (niZvt)

10 >>>"Federal officials acknowledge the violations and say that the chief challenge has been educating supervisors in the field."



BS. When your "supervisors in the field" are in DHS, the USPS and US Border Patrol, don't even try to pull that crap about them not knowing they couldn't fire you for deploying as National Guard.


Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2012 08:45 AM (P6QsQ)

11 Single mothers are far more likely than married mothers to be poor and
thus dependent on the welfare state, for one. For another, the whole
concept of "fatherhood" is disappearing from a huge swathe of American
life. Men are becoming marginalized and devalued, yet at the same time
are faulted for being reluctant to enter into an institution -- marriage
-- that is so grotesquely weighted against them in terms of risk versus
reward.


We social conservatives will be sitting over here. Pointedly not saying "We told you so."

It's not just some random coincidence that made Europe, and then America, the wealthiest areas of the world. The social mores of 'Western Civilization,' especially post-Constantine, helped build the societies that have lead the world (more-or-less) since at least the 1400's. We abandon them at our peril.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 08:45 AM (8y9MW)

12 Just posted this to the ONT, but more fitting here. A chart showing percentage of 25-34 year old men living at
home vs. credit default swap prices in Eurozone nations. Entirely
unsurprising. (Caution, link to pbs)
http://tinyurl.com/7leug5v

Posted by: mugiwara at February 20, 2012 08:46 AM (KI/Ch)

13 Vic had posted this late am on the ONT so I'll pass it along:

536 Good Morning Morons. I'll only be in for a few. Wifey has been
transported to Hospital in the city and as soon as I can showered up,
shaved, and shit I will be heading out.

Sorry no news today and
probably not for the rest of the week. Wifey had a blocked airway Sat
night. The ER said she had pneumonia among other things. Then later said
she had ad a heart attack brought on by blocked airway, which is why
sent her to the city. City cardiologist said they were full of shit.

ENT
man from city said it looks like she has had a return of thyroid cancer
which is blocking her throat. So all that is available now is surgery
and pray.


Posted by: Vic at February 20, 2012 05:23 AM (YdQQY)

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 20, 2012 08:46 AM (BhuDE)

14 Prayers going up for Vic and Mrs. Vic.

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2012 08:47 AM (P6QsQ)

15 Regarding the millions of wonderful new muslim citzens of the U.K.

It is always nice when you can point to another country and think, wow, they suck more than us! (I take my moments of joy wherever I can get them.)

Posted by: jjmurphy at February 20, 2012 08:48 AM (xjEAl)

16 One group still largely resists the trend: college graduates, who
overwhelmingly marry before having children. That is turning family
structure into a new class divide, with the economic and social rewards
of marriage increasingly reserved for people with the most education.


From that article: I think they've got it exactly backwards. The college educated aren't getting married because they can afford it while the uneducated can't (as has been pointed out, two people can live more cheaply than one, and that advantage only gets bigger once you actually commit to marriage). It's that the college educated tend to see what worked for their parents and grand-parents, and are emulating the same. The uneducated tend (now, at least) to come from broken families in the first place.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 08:49 AM (8y9MW)

17
So when does the Greek crisis come to a head? Slowest collapse EVER!

I was thinking it would happen in March when Greece has to make payments.

Posted by: Ben at February 20, 2012 08:50 AM (wuv1c)

18 >>We social conservatives will be sitting over here. Pointedly not saying "We told you so."

Yeah. The zeitgeist is that getting knocked up in high school gets you more respect from society than staying childless because you're not married yet (and then permanently childless because you were never married gets you shit on daily. By "social conservatives" as well as feminists and pinkos. Ho-hum.).

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 08:50 AM (ZKzrr)

19 Prayers sent Vic.

Posted by: flodigarry at February 20, 2012 08:52 AM (ztF6R)

20
>>>>>But why look for them in the 7th century (Pakistan) instead of, say, eastern Europe? Why set out to dilute Europe's own culture, and indigenous demographics?

They were looking for people from former colonies. Pakistan is a former colony.
NuLabor took Bertold Brecht's famous line to heart.
Stating that the people
Had forfeited the confidence of the government
And could win it back only
By redoubled efforts. Would it not be easier
In that case for the government
To dissolve the people
And elect another

Posted by: Ben at February 20, 2012 08:53 AM (wuv1c)

21 Didn't the Millennials vote overwhelmingly in favor of the SCoaMF? You younguns pooped your bed, now sleep in it.

Nicholas Rastenis has been through the wringer. After getting a master’s degree in fine arts from Yale University in 2008, he expected to land a job at a top design firm. But nearly four years later, after many months of joblessness, austerity and anxiety, his ambitions in life have come down quite a bit.

Today, the Chicago resident toils at a photo lab at a major drugstore chain for $9 an hour and no benefits, using few of his creative design skills and earning only a fraction of what he once thought he could command. Still, he has had some designing gigs on the side, and he is glad to at least have a full-time job - any job - after years of doing without.



http://tinyurl.com/6mr7q4x

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 20, 2012 08:53 AM (BhuDE)

22 What's up with Vic?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 08:53 AM (i6RpT)

23 Thanks Gnu. I will pray for Vic and his wife. He is living thru a terrible time with grace and courage. My heart goes out to him.

Posted by: Pecos at February 20, 2012 08:54 AM (2Gb0y)

24 Mama AJ: good link. I just tweeted it. I'm not sure the shortage is in tires. Rather, I think we're seeing longer delays in the production/delivery pipelines...which may explain the crappy BDI numbers for the past year.

Posted by: Monty at February 20, 2012 08:54 AM (/0a60)

25 ['i]17
So when does the Greek crisis come to a head? Slowest collapse EVER!

I was thinking it would happen in March when Greece has to make payments.
Posted by: Ben at February 20, 2012 08:50 AM (wuv1c)


I posted this on the ONT last night (from Polipundit):

By many indicators, Greece is devolving into something unprecedented in modern Western experience. A quarter of all Greek companies have gone out of business since 2009, and half of all small businesses in the country say they are unable to meet payroll. The suicide rate increased by 40 percent in the first half of 2011. A barter economy has sprung up, as people try to work around a broken financial system. Nearly half the population under 25 is unemployed. Last September, organizers of a government-sponsored seminar on emigrating to Australia, an event that drew 42 people a year earlier, were overwhelmed when 12,000 people signed up. Greek bankers told me that people had taken about one-third of their money out of their accounts; many, it seems, were keeping what savings they had under their beds or buried in their backyards. One banker, part of whose job these days is persuading people to keep their money in the bank, said to me, “Who would trust a Greek bank?”

The situation at the macro level is, if anything, even more transformational. The Chinese have largely taken over Piraeus, Greece’s main port, with an eye to make it a conduit for shipping goods into Europe. Qatar is looking to invest $5 billion in various projects in Greece, including tourism infrastructure. Other, relatively flush Europeans are trying to make “Greece the Florida of Europe,” Theodore Pelagidis, a Greek economist at the University of Piraeus, told me, referring in particular to plans to turn islands into expensive retirement homes for wealthy people from other parts of the continent. Whether or not the country pays its debts, he went on, other nations and foreign companies “now understand the Greek government is powerless, so in the future they will take over viable assets and run parts of the country by themselves.”


Face it: Greek EOOM has ARRIVED. It's not a real country anymore; it's Europe's Somalia.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 08:55 AM (niZvt)

26 OK sorry saw the post. Pray's for Vic and his wife

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 08:56 AM (i6RpT)

27 Oil prices are heating up overnight due to Iran stopping sales to the EU, then the Saudis report their production and exports fell in December. Now Israel may be ready to add some spice to the mix:

Calls are mounting within the IDF’s Southern Command to launch a large-scale offensive against Hamas and Islamic Jihad in the Gaza Strip in the face of continued rocket attacks over the weekend. JPost link:

http://tinyurl.com/7v2kohn

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 20, 2012 08:56 AM (BhuDE)

28 EOOM is ancient Greek for DOOM, btw

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 08:56 AM (niZvt)

29 I got 3 words:

Factory Grown Meat

Posted by: basket case nation at February 20, 2012 08:57 AM (kqbIK)

30 CC, I don't know about the Eastern Europe immigrant thing. Central Europeans should make a better fit. Huntington's "The Clash of Civilizations" points out significant cultural differences between Western Christendom (RC/Protestant) and Eastern Orthodoxy.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 08:57 AM (O3R/2)

31 I got 3 more words:

Science Is Evil

Posted by: basket case nation at February 20, 2012 08:57 AM (kqbIK)

32 The growth of single motherhood (by choice or by divorce) is probably the best argument for a return to arranged marriages.
Who's a better judge of a potential husband's character: a 20ish female or her 40ish father?

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 20, 2012 08:57 AM (2Oas0)

33 And finally 3 more words:


Vote For Santorum

Posted by: basket case nation at February 20, 2012 08:58 AM (kqbIK)

34 @11

This is the preferred society of the progressive/statist.

It's cognitive dissidence at it's finest.

Free of Societal constraints and absolutely dependent on big government.

Anything less and your talking Theocracy.


Posted by: McLovin at February 20, 2012 08:58 AM (l14aH)

35 Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 08:55 AM (niZvt)

CC, I saw also last night that the Spaniards had a couple hundred thousand people in the streets protesting. Spain tightened the belt with $15 billion in tax increases and cuts, and needs another $40 billion to meet IMF and EU goals.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 20, 2012 09:00 AM (BhuDE)

36 #7,

OK, sent it to you.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at February 20, 2012 09:00 AM (DgnRc)

37 Who's a better judge of a potential husband's character: a 20ish female or her 40ish father?

I don't think we have to go all the way back to arranged marriages. I do think we need to start fixing the stupid romantic ideas we've been putting in our (and, therefore, our children's) heads for the last 40 years or so.

The idea that passion = love is very, very new, relatively speaking. Love is a choice and an action. If you can get passion thrown in with the deal, so much the better. As it is, though, people get married because they're "in love," and then get divorced as soon as they lose the spark or notice their eyes straying.

Simply getting rid of no-fault divorce would go a long way toward fixing it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:01 AM (8y9MW)

38 My extended family is a microcosm of the stratification of the while culture. My kids are all married, self-supporting, middle class. My wife's family (brothers, nieces, etc) are all screwed up. White trash values. Babies out of wedlock. lower-class educations and jobs.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 09:02 AM (O3R/2)

39 Good luck and prayers to Vic and family.

I just heard a great spoof of The Dream Police on local radio. It was "The Food Police" and the subject was that Fed who has been inspecting lunch boxes here in NC. Apparently he/she struck again at another school and still nobody knows who the fuck sent "it" or what it's name is.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 20, 2012 09:03 AM (hiMsy)

40 Just a little tale of Greek doom - a family of 5we know, born here in OZ of Greek parents so somehow all still with Greek passports, went back to Greece a couple of years ago because things were so much better there as in they didn't have to work so hard thanks to generous benefits (compliments of the Greek Government) - things like free childcare, hardly any taxation for their line of work etc
I'm waiting for their return to Australia which will surely be very soon!

Posted by: aussie at February 20, 2012 09:03 AM (ormtC)

41 Yeh, I thought you might like that one, Monty. Hat tip to my husband, btw.

And now linked in my name is Bayou Renaissance Man's follow up post on the subject.

Posted by: Mama AJ at February 20, 2012 09:04 AM (XdlcF)

42 Posted by: McLovin at February 20, 2012 08:58 AM (l14aH)

I'm not even sure what you're trying to say there. But are you denying that, for instance, Unemployment was lower among blacks before the "Great Society" came in and convinced young black men they didn't have to be fathers, and the "feminist" movement came in and convinced women in general that they didn't need men- except as sperm donors?

I'm not actually talking about enforced societal norms (well, not enforced by government), but rather the general coarsening of the culture, and our all-too-ready idea that "that's not my business."

Indeed, if we had no welfare state, it wouldn't be my business. Interestingly enough, I think it would be much less of a problem- as people would have stuck to the more conservative social model. But we do have an invasive welfare state, and I'm one of the ones having to pay for other people's choices. In that case, I think I should get to have a say in how they behave.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:06 AM (8y9MW)

43 His Majesty's wicked predecessor is to blame for all the ills befalling the kingdom.



As predictable as the sun rising in the east

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2012 09:07 AM (1Jaio)

44 @30: Yeah, you're probably right Jimbo: there's been an East-West divide in Europe since Constantine effectively divided Western civilization in two by founding Constantinople.

Back then, it was Rome vs. Constantinople. In our lifetime, it was Washington vs. Moscow.

Well, walk around Washington's monumental core, and what you find is ancient Rome architecturally recreated on a massive scale. (As a history geek, if I could visit a single ancient city somehow, it would be Rome c. 312 - well, I've come to realize Washington is in fact an amazing recreation)

Moscow's Kremlin is Constantinople brought to life.

These cultural divisions don't go away.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 09:07 AM (niZvt)

45 My extended family is a microcosm of the stratification of the while
culture. My kids are all married, self-supporting, middle class. My
wife's family (brothers, nieces, etc) are all screwed up. White trash
values. Babies out of wedlock. lower-class educations and jobs.


That sounds a lot like my marriage. Well, not the "white trash" part, exactly, but most of the rest.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:07 AM (8y9MW)

46 On this Presidents' Day 2012, I'm hoping that next year we will have a President in office that we can be proud of instead of this stuttering clusterfu*k of a miserable failure.

Posted by: Clutch at February 20, 2012 09:07 AM (4P4ww)

47 This just in: Whitney Houston now registered to vote in 36 states.

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2012 09:08 AM (/ZZCn)

48 prayers for vic and mrs. vic.......thanks for the re post gnu.....

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 20, 2012 09:09 AM (Ho2rs)

49 OT:

Link for Charlie Brown's Dildo meet-up not working.

As Professor Backwards would say, "Pleh, Pleh!"

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2012 09:09 AM (UlUS4)

50 My marriage is my luxury. My husband and I are living the life!
We downsized so I could stay home with the kids, and I'll never regret it. We enjoy all the small, daily luxuries of our traditional household.
But-
I'm counting down until my 31 yr old single mom stepdaughter comes to stay at the end of the month! I love them both, but she is really liberal and loud about it. Her mother is gay and she is a sex therapist.
Please cross your fingers she finds a job and can afford to find her own place!

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2012 09:11 AM (Sptt8)

51 40 aussie

for your country's sake...i hope they don't return...sound like lazy people.........

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 20, 2012 09:11 AM (Ho2rs)

52 We are faced with monumental DOOM and bankruptcy, yet all the MFM wants to talk about is:

Gay Marriage,
"Women's Reproductive Rights" i.e. contraceptives and abortifacients
Whitney Houston,
Bobby Brown,
Racism,
Intermarriage between races (Ed. Who fucking cares?)
Teachers searching kids lunch bags, etc.

I read something yesterday that was interesting (From John Mauldin). Maybe it would be good for Obozo to be re-elected. Then the Dems really would have face up to the nanny-state collapse and deal with it. As long as we are divided, they can demagogue he issue.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 09:12 AM (O3R/2)

53 Link for Charlie Brown's Dildo meet-up not working.




Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2012 09:09 AM (UlUS4)

It's an e-mail address hidden in a broken web link.


Posted by: mugiwara at February 20, 2012 09:12 AM (KI/Ch)

54 Vic:

Best to you, wife and family for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2012 09:12 AM (UlUS4)

55 @40: do Greeks in Australia run lot of Greek diners, aussie?

If yes, you'll understand why I ask

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 09:12 AM (niZvt)

56 After getting a master’s degree in fine arts from Yale University in 2008
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I'm going to go ahead and vote that problem #1.
What kind of real world interactions do you have where you believe such a degree gets you a good job?

Posted by: Jay at February 20, 2012 09:12 AM (3LaGb)

57 I love them both, but she is really liberal and loud about it.

Here's hoping you don't get too stressed out.

Where should we send the duct tape and bailing wire?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:13 AM (8y9MW)

58 Where should we send the duct tape and bailing wire?

And sedatives?

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 09:15 AM (O3R/2)

59 What kind of real world interactions do you have where you believe such a degree gets you a good job?

Well, if it's the right kind of Liberal Arts degree, and you're willing to work (of course, you probably aren't, or you wouldn't have gotten a Liberal Arts degree), there is money to be made out there. I'm not sure what kind of master's degree we're talking about, but there's a lot of money out there for people who get their Master of Library Science: being a private archivist is probably the best gig, and can bring in near 6 figures.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:15 AM (8y9MW)

60 Link for Charlie Brown's Dildo meet-up not working.

As Professor Backwards would say, "Pleh, Pleh!"
Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2012 09:09 AM (UlUS4)

it's nynjmeet@optimum.net

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 09:17 AM (i6RpT)

61 allen

how many private archivist jobs are out there? no that many......

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 20, 2012 09:17 AM (Ho2rs)

62 not

Posted by: phoenixgirl at February 20, 2012 09:17 AM (Ho2rs)

63 51 Actually they are nice people - but wave freebies in front of people and sadly not many say no
They thought Greece offered a better future for them and their kiddies!

Posted by: aussie at February 20, 2012 09:18 AM (ormtC)

64 Funny, I always though Australia was a bit Socialist. Very high minimum wage and all.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 09:20 AM (O3R/2)

65 I pray it is God's will that Vic's wife be healed in this life to stay as his help meet a bit longer. Amen.

In my case the risk/reward for marriage has been worth it. 16 years and two children later and my wife and are are probably more in love than ever.

My heart hurts for you, Vic.

Posted by: Scott J at February 20, 2012 09:20 AM (WAhu6)

66 What kind of real world interactions do you have where you believe such a degree gets you a good job?

Jay, that person has to have paid close to $200k for that degree (whether any of that is debt the article doesn't say). But it will take a lifetime to earn $200k with that education, and you start off spotting the world 6 years spent getting that piece of paper.

For all the thanks for reposting Vic's message, I say no problemo. Glad to do it and of course my best wishes go out to his wife and family. They've had a rough year.

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 20, 2012 09:21 AM (BhuDE)

67 55 Funny thing is as the older Greeks who came here in the 1940s and 1950s and who had diners and milkbars called the Acropolis and the Aegeanhave retired, a lot of those places are now run by Chinese and Vietnamese!
These were our next big wave of hardworking migrants...

Posted by: aussie at February 20, 2012 09:22 AM (ormtC)

68 There's a link between the British story and the illegitimacy story: Both are things promoted by the Left to make power for them.

The Left deliberately makes a dependency class to keep them in power. Ending that dependency class, or limiting it, or causing it to dwindle, is necessary to get them out of power and stop them degrading society

Posted by: nickless at February 20, 2012 09:23 AM (MMC8r)

69 how many private archivist jobs are out there? no that many......

True, but more than you'd think. Just here in the DFW Metroplex, there's pretty well 5 continual openings (and really more than that, because those tend to be for multiple positions). Not to mention the fact that big law-firms will (sometimes, at least) hire armies of archivists (though not at the upper end of the scale, obviously).

I'm not saying I would recommend a Liberal Arts Degree to my kids, but you can make money with them- if you're willing to do the right kinds of work. The problem is that most people who get those kinds of degrees aren't willing to do the right kinds of work. They all dream of being best-selling authors, or famous actors, or what-have-you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:24 AM (8y9MW)

70 I'm hoping that next year we will have a President in office that we can be proud of instead of this stuttering clusterfu*k of a miserable failure.

Don't see a scenario where that's possible, but some could beless SCOAMFy than others

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 20, 2012 09:24 AM (VeTg+)

71 Justamom, here's an idea I've been meaning to try myself. I've got a buddy who is a Lib (he kind of denies it to me, but he's a product of Flint, MI and academic parents, so it's in his blood) and I keep meaning to get him a book I've heard a lot about but never read by David Mamet. Supposedly a good tale of transformation from Lib nutjob to common-sense American. I heard Mamet interviewed about it and he sounded like he'd be very persuasive to Lefties. First step, I'll read the book myself.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 20, 2012 09:24 AM (hiMsy)

72 Thanks for the info all. But I went to the site and I got a phishing scam warning.

How about just posting the info or are we afraid of Moochelle Worf's Klingon chicken nugget squad?

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2012 09:25 AM (UlUS4)

73 Then the Dems really would have face up to the
nanny-state collapse and deal with it. As long as we are divided, they
can demagogue he issue.



Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 09:12 AM (O3R/2)

You will be surprised to see how long the evil effects of Bush last if Obamao is re-elected. The libs will never ever have to face any responsibility for societal collapse because their intentions are so very very good, they just haven't done enough for long enough (four more decades).

Posted by: Hrothgar at February 20, 2012 09:26 AM (i3+c5)

74 Justamom, way to go on downsizing to be a stay-at-home.

My wife and I thought we could pull it off without downsizing. In hindsight we were wrong and might wind up paying for that choice now over the next 2-5 years.

Posted by: Scott J at February 20, 2012 09:28 AM (WAhu6)

75 64 Yes - you could say our right wing is way more to the centre than your right wing politics
However it's so hard to compare countries with such different histories as ours

Posted by: aussie at February 20, 2012 09:28 AM (ormtC)

76 Watched 60 Minutes last night, (which I rarely do for obvious reasons) because of the teased story on unemployment, long term in particular.

After several interviews with both discouraged workers and semi manic counselors on all of the negative aspects to this current epidemic economic pathology, I waited for mention of SCOAMF in either proactive re-elect reference, or less likely - connection to his presidency.

Not one word.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 20, 2012 09:29 AM (ZJCDy)

77 71 Posted by: Lincolntf at February 20, 2012 09:24 AM (hiMsy)

Oh yeah, Mamet is a convert. You have to read his column "Why I Am No Longer a Brain-dead Liberal" from 2008.

www.villagevoice.com/2008-03-11/news/why-i-am-no-longer-a-brain-dead-liberal/

Posted by: J.J. Sefton at February 20, 2012 09:29 AM (UlUS4)

78 Britain is on the high-speed train to boned-ville, and keeps nudging up the throttle.


For another, the whole concept of "fatherhood" is disappearing from a huge swathe of American life. Men are becoming marginalized and devalued, yet at the same time are faulted for being reluctant to enter into an institution -- marriage -- that is so grotesquely weighted against them in terms of risk versus reward.


^This,as I'm sure many divorced morons here can attest. With theno-fault divorce laws the way they are, wifey gets bored, or unhappy, or whatever, and hubbyloses his kids, his house, half his property, and more than half his income. It'slike playing Russian roulette with a bullet in every chamber.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 09:29 AM (DrWcr)

79 The marriage construct as it exists in today's society is not worth it for men.

OTOH, fathering lots of children out of wedlock isn't worth it either (unless you are successful in dumping the financial responsibility to others).

That basically leaves a chaste, celibate life. Or if you can't be chaste perhaps a vasectomy.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at February 20, 2012 09:30 AM (DgnRc)

80 I'm guessing the Aussies have no desire for a mass influx of American Righties....?

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 20, 2012 09:30 AM (VeTg+)

81 I read something yesterday that was interesting
(From John Mauldin). Maybe it would be good for Obozo to be re-elected.
Then the Dems really would have face up to the nanny-state collapse and
deal with it. As long as we are divided, they can demagogue he issue.



Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 09:12 AM


This is utter bullshit, right along with other so-called "conservatives" yattering about "hey, you voted for the stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable traitor, so you eat it."

Yeah, it's really good in theory...like shoving a doggeh's nose in his pile o' poop so he won't take a dump in that spot again, but it doesn't take ugly reality into account: You and I and the rest of the Americans who care about their country, support the Constitution and work for a living get crapped on badly in this scenario.

It's the "Poppin' Fresh" thing, where politics is a game played by a bunch of pasty-faced couch potatoes staring into their computer screens and pontificating. It is totally divorced from reality.

Vote Obama '12 -- the country you destroy will be your own.

Posted by: MrScribbler at February 20, 2012 09:31 AM (bxE2U)

82 More DOOMy gubmint schenanigans --

Those darn pesky Inspectors General sure have been thorns in the SCoaMF's side. So the JEF fires them or cuts their legs off. Most transparent turd I've ever seen.

WASHINGTON – The beleaguered watchdog of the AmeriCorps national service program will take another hit next month, as budget cuts by Congress will force it to lay off nearly three quarters of its staff.

AmeriCorps' acting Inspector General Kenneth Bach says the $3.7 million cut to his office came as a surprise.

Inspector General Kenneth Bach has told Congress he has curtailed open investigations, and may not be able to look into allegations of wrongdoing in the $1 billion Corporation for National and Community Service (CNCS).


The rules have changed. Pray I don't alter them any further. (USA Today link)

http://tinyurl.com/7pj266r

Posted by: GnuBreed at February 20, 2012 09:31 AM (BhuDE)

83 32 The growth of single motherhood (by choice or by divorce) is probably the best argument for a return to arranged marriages. Who's a better judge of a potential husband's character: a 20ish female or her 40ish father?
Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 20, 2012 08:57 AM (2Oas0)


You, you, patriarchal oppressive woman-hater you! /sarc

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 09:34 AM (DrWcr)

84 Thanks, Lincoln. I'll check it out.
I'll have to read it myself tho, because it would never be an agenda item for her. I hope the library has it.
I'm waiting for my kids to come home from school and repeat the words "homo" or "gay", which they currently do all the time, and for her to go nuts.
Politically, I think she's beyond but at least she doesn't vote.
It's the social dysfunction of her profession and lifestyle that is going to clash horribly. Even a weekend has been too long with her. I have already broken out with excema.

Anybody ever put Xanax in the coffee pot?
How much for 8 cups?
Does the heat destroy it?

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2012 09:35 AM (Sptt8)

85 U.S. Senate - POLITICS
McCain: U.S. relationship with Egypt is changing, but must remain friendly
Published February 20, 2012
U.S. Sen. John McCain says the nature of America's partnership with Egypt is changing a year after the ouster of Hosni Mubarak but stressed that the two countries "must remain friends."


And he and Miss Lindsey also want to arm the Syrian Rebels without, AGAIN, having any idea who they are and what they represent? Why can't this old fart just go away gracefully.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 09:36 AM (i6RpT)

86 Man I missed out on that early sexual revolution--having graduated from college in 1965. The girls were just starting to get the pill---so they could stop using the aspirin between their knees technique for not getting pregnant. So I wound up getting married right after college and 46 years and a family later, things are still good.
But you know if you're a guy and the sexual cafeteria line is always wide open and available--as it is these days--why bother getting married if all you're looking for is a little sex?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at February 20, 2012 09:36 AM (3ESDJ)

87 80 If you're white, have qualifications, and $$$$ you will have to jump through a myriad of hoops to get here
However, if you're an economic refugee from Pakistan, Afghanistan on any other Stan, you can fly to Indonesia , pay some bloke $10,000 , throw all your identity papers overboard as you hop on a leaky boat to get to OZ and you will be welcomed here with open arms - and a bucketload of benefits
It's a sickening festering sore on the political landscape here - but hopefully this current toxic Government will be booted out next election in 2013

Posted by: aussie at February 20, 2012 09:37 AM (ormtC)

88 Completely OT, but it's been more than an hour, so I don't feel too bad.

Go hit up my blog. Please.

{see, I know how to ask nicely}

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:38 AM (8y9MW)

89 why bother getting married if all you're looking for is a little sex?
This!I wanted more so I got married. My religious beliefs compelled me to stop the above path but it's there and an easy one to take.

Posted by: Scott J at February 20, 2012 09:39 AM (WAhu6)

90 Getting a Fine Arts degree and working at a design firm isn't a bad plan, especially if you did internships (Yale degree doesn't hurt either). SCOAMF has put such a hurt on the economy that the jobs just aren't there.

Also one has to be willing to work anywhere. That dream of living in NYC or Chicago may not be realistic.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at February 20, 2012 09:39 AM (DgnRc)

91 Why can't this old fart just go away gracefully.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 09:36 AM (i6RpT)


McRINO isn't about graceful; by the time he breaths his last and goes to Hell we'll have his fatassed imbecile daughter with her own show on MSLSD.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 20, 2012 09:39 AM (zB5de)

92 Michelle and I were thumbing through the Presidents Day flyers in the WaPo this morning. Can somebody tell me why my visage, my marvelous Kenyan countenance, is not there with the other presidents? Is it racism? Why?

Posted by: Barky Obumbles at February 20, 2012 09:41 AM (vbh31)

93 Scott-
Thanks, but I'm not as smart as I could be.
And the market has been so disastrous that your planning wasnt all wrong.
We just had a house in our neighborhood ( the twice-as-big old one they advertise as the original manor house!) go on the market for so little, we could have bought our house and it too, if I hadn't over improved our own house.
Owell.

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2012 09:41 AM (Sptt8)

94 I'm having that old familiar sense of foreboding about this year's recovery summer. Maybe some new branding or marketing strategy will sell it. A catchy slogan perhaps?

Posted by: Fritz at February 20, 2012 09:43 AM (/ZZCn)

95 First lady Michelle Obama’s weekend jaunt to Aspen, Colorado for a President’s Day ski holiday with her daughters Sasha and Malia makes the 16th time members of the first family have gone on extended vacations during their three years in office.


Nice work if you can get it

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 09:44 AM (i6RpT)

96 Justamom, we finally go listed last week (relocating for a better job opportunity over in SC if you haven't been following my postings here).

That price is enough to pay off all we owe but not the agent so we're going to wind up short: http://tinyurl.com/7lpn7y8

Posted by: Scott J at February 20, 2012 09:45 AM (WAhu6)

97 Also one has to be willing to work anywhere. That dream of living in NYC or Chicago may not be realistic.

Posted by: President Chet Roosevelt at February 20, 2012 09:39 AM (DgnRc)
People, real living people, dream of living in Chicago? Really?

Posted by: Pecos at February 20, 2012 09:46 AM (2Gb0y)

98 People, real living people, dream of living in Chicago? Really?

Only if you count Liberals or Michiganders as "real living people."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:48 AM (8y9MW)

99 But you know if you're a guy and the sexual cafeteria line is always wide open and available--as it is these days--why bother getting married if all you're looking for is a little sex?

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I don't think that's really the case, though. Females are still overwhelmingly hypergamous.

Handsome dudes continue to thrive as they always have; and ugly dudes do without, as they always have. What has changed is that women are finding it harder to "mate up" because they are having a hard time finding men of higher status than they. This is probably the main reason for the huge disparity in marriage between the lower and upper classes -- men in the upper class still tend to be higher achievers than their female counterparts, whereas those in the lower class often fall far behind women in both education and lifetime earning potential.

The utter collapse in marriage in the black community shows this. Black women, as a group, do not care to marry outside their race. This leaves them with a cohort of "marriagable" black males that is small and growing smaller all the time. Black women outperform their male counterparts in nearly every metric: education, professional attainment, etc. But due to the hypergamous female nature, black women find it difficult to "marry down"...and when they do, the marriages rarely last.

This problem is manifesting across the culture as a whole now. Nature has geared women to want a very specific type of male as a partner, but the vagaries of history and culture have removed many men from the "available" pool. But rather than "settle" many females simply involve themselves in serial relationships that have no larger social purpose or goal other than sex and companionship over short periods of time.

And men have little reason to reform their behavior, because this situation presents them with far greater opportunities for no-strings-sex than they've ever had before.

It's a screwed up way to run a society, but like I said: it won't last. It can't last because it's not a stable way to live.

Posted by: Monty at February 20, 2012 09:48 AM (/0a60)

100 That basically leaves a chaste, celibate life. Or if you can't be chaste perhaps a vasectomy.

Or maybe just a damn condom now and then.

Posted by: Laura Castellano at February 20, 2012 09:48 AM (fuw6p)

101
With regard to England and immigration, this sort of mass immigration has happened before, as noted by the Venerable Bede in chapter XV of his "Ecclesiastical History":
<BR><BR>
"When the news of their success and of the fertility of the country, and
the cowardice of the Britons, reached their own home, a more
considerable fleet was quickly sent over, bringing a greater number of
men, and these, being added to the former army, made up an invincible
force. The newcomers received of the Britons a place to inhabit among
them, upon condition that they
should wage war against their enemies for the peace and security of the
country, whilst the Britons agreed to furnish them with pay."
<BR><BR>
This occurred in 449 AD. Except for the "wage war against their enemies" part, it looks like history is repeating itself.

Posted by: Brown Line at February 20, 2012 09:49 AM (VrNoa)

102
But you know if you're a guy and the sexual cafeteria line is always wide open and available--as it is these days--why bother getting married if all you're looking for is a little sex?
Posted by: Comanche Voter at February 20, 2012 09:36 AM (3ESDJ)



A valid point, but overstated. What has accompanied this change is amove to a sort of commitment-free polygamy. Women still want alpha males, as is their nature. Thus, the alphas in any given population cycle through the women with ease. The beta malesonly get the scraps. If you're a guy with looks and money, there's a cornucopia awaiting you right now. If not, well, you have to content yourself with the bargain basement leftovers, or you have to be willing to offer the longer term commitment. So, if you're a beta with standards, it's still a desert.

Posted by: Reactionary at February 20, 2012 09:50 AM (xUM1Q)

103 Allen-
I enjoy your blog.
My daughter is a Tea Partier and my stepdaughter is a sparkly vampire, per reality and per your social contribution analogy.

My daughter was just 9 three years ago, and was home sick on the day of the first Tea Party. It was so grassroots I didn't know about it until that day, and my little girl got on the news emptying her tea bags in the Mississippi, under the Arch, on a schoolday.

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2012 09:52 AM (93q0i)

104 I really hope Vic's wife is ok. He mentioned something about thyroid cancer? Jesus Fuck.

I can't believe he took the time to comment here before he left for the hospital again. He must really like us morons for some reason.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 20, 2012 09:53 AM (Ds7A4)

105 Only if you count Liberals or Michiganders as "real living people."Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 09:48 AM (8y9MW) I'm a Michigander and I assure you, I do not dream of living in Chicago. Nice place to visit, but...Indeed,manyof us in Southern Michigan have, over the last fewyears especially, been developing a dislike for arrogant Chicagoans.

Posted by: Reactionary at February 20, 2012 09:54 AM (xUM1Q)

106 You, you, patriarchal oppressive woman-hater you! /sarc
Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 09:34 AM (DrWcr)
Yeah. Ain't it cool?
Objectively, though, how could you treat your daughter worse than to say, "Here, go out into a culture full of poorly formed men, whose fathers ignored them throughout their childhood, who learned about women from music videos (and now, from the porn pipe built into every home and smart phone), who know zilch about their relationship with God and everyone else, and pick one you can count on to support you while you're bearing their children?"

Posted by: Michael Rittenhouse at February 20, 2012 09:55 AM (2Oas0)

107 Oh Scott-
I'm sorry about your house. It is such a personal thing.

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2012 09:55 AM (93q0i)

108 Thoughts and prayers to Vic and family.

Posted by: Darth Randall at February 20, 2012 09:55 AM (O/onO)

109 Don't get me wrong. I don't want Obama to be re-elected either. But the Almighty Bond Market is going to whack us no later than 2016.

I don't see Speaker Boner passing appropriations Bills significantly cutting the deficit. The Dems might as well get blamed for the collapse of everything.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 09:56 AM (O3R/2)

110 It's Vic's wife that might have thyroid cancer, Joffen.

Posted by: Scott J at February 20, 2012 09:57 AM (WAhu6)

111 We social conservatives will be sitting over here. Pointedly not saying "We told you so."It's not just some random coincidence that made Europe, and then America, the wealthiest areas of the world. The social mores of 'Western Civilization,' especially post-Constantine, helped build the societies that have lead the world (more-or-less) since at least the 1400's. We abandon them at our peril.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 08:45 AM (8y9MW)


I must be in a foul mood this morning because I read this and think "How true, and this is why we've already lost."


We're always on the strategic and tactical defensive. We fight to maintain instead of gain. The opposition is always on the attack. Since they never have to worry about a counterattack, they can mount the stupidest, most ineffective offensives possible. They'll gain the ground we'reholding sooner or later.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2012 09:57 AM (rX1N2)

112
That basically leaves a chaste, celibate life. Or if you can't be chaste perhaps a vasectomy. Or maybe just a damn condom now and then. Posted by: Laura Castellano at February 20, 2012 09:48 AM (fuw6p)



Indeed. And I'd never suggest to anyone that they rely on condoms. It's a riskier proposition thanthe manufacturers therof, or the libtards, wouldhave one believe. Besides -condom sex ishardly worth it. Get the snip snip.

Posted by: Reactionary at February 20, 2012 09:58 AM (xUM1Q)

113 It is, Justamom. At the risk of my mancard I have shed real tears over leaving that house behind. I loved it so and was content to raise my kids to adulthood and grow old there.

But I had a job making me so miserable I actually preferred having the flu to going. Looked for 18 months to get out and finally got an offer over here.

Posted by: Scott J at February 20, 2012 10:00 AM (WAhu6)

114 @110: I know. I thought I made that clear.

This blog must be real important to him to go out of his way and explain why he won't be doing "Top Headlines" for a while.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 20, 2012 10:00 AM (xoh0r)

115
Maybe I need to write a speech. Bring me a crayon, Valerie.

Let's see..."I had a dream..."...No, wait. *scratch, scratch*

Okay..."Four-score and seven years..."...No, give me a minute. *scratch, scratch*

Hmmm..."God DAMN America..."...Shit. *scratch, scratch*

Well, this isn't working out. Presidentin' realli is hard. Sigh.


Posted by: Barky Obumbles at February 20, 2012 10:00 AM (vbh31)

116
I must be in a foul mood this morning because I read this and think "How true, and this is why we've already lost."
Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 20, 2012 09:57 AM (rX1N2)



Sadly this is right. Everything we do is a rear-guard action meant to slow the inexorable advance of evil. I know that people have thought this for a LONG time, but I ask myself - how much longer can the eschaton be delayed? The Enemy seems to be gaining on all fronts.

Posted by: Reactionary at February 20, 2012 10:02 AM (xUM1Q)

117 Santorum Questions Obama's Faith!
--------------------------------------------

Robert Gibbs: "Over The Line!"

Deb Wasserman Shultz: "Outrageous And Beyond The Pale!"

Nancy Pelosi: "This Kind Of Rhetoric Leads To Murder! I've Seen It Before!"

David Axelrod: "Certainly Offensive To Middle-Class, Church-Going Americans!"

Maxine Waters: "This Does Nothing To Unite The Country Behind Barack Obama. We Need To Come Together.........With Barack Obama!"

Emmanuel Cleaver: "Santorum's Spittle Hit Me On The Cheek When He Yelled This!"

Sheila Jackson-Lee: "This Kind Of Divisive And Irresponsible Rhetoric Has No Place In 2012 America!"


TEAM OBAMA: SHRIEKING OUT IN PAIN AS THEY KICK YOU IN THE BALLS.



Posted by: basket case nation at February 20, 2012 10:02 AM (kqbIK)

118 Socialists: "We won"

Posted by: cherry at February 20, 2012 10:03 AM (OhYCU)

119 I'd like to be all DOOMy this morning, but I'm not. Mr. Rockmom and I are youth group leaders at our church and we had one of our best meetings yet last night. Started a chat about Lent which we thought would last about 15 minutes, and it ended up going 45. We asked the kids what would be the hardest thing for them to give up. A surprising number of them said "cursing." So we challenged all of them to give up cursing, and keep a jar and put a nickel in it every time they slip. We will collect all the jars at Easter and donate the money to a local women's shelter. They also decided to read at least one of the Gospels in its entirety during Lent. They seemed excited about it. Tomorrow is our church pancake supper which the youth prepare and serve, and they are excited about that too.
Gives me hope for the future, and a feeling that I am doing something worthwhilewith my life now that my career is essentially over. We may lose a lot that we love aboutAmerica in the next few years, but if we have God and we have kids who believe, we still have plenty.

Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2012 10:04 AM (NYnoe)

120 Best wishes to Mr. and Mrs. Vic.

Posted by: Justamom at February 20, 2012 10:05 AM (Sptt8)

121 It's far too easy to get a divorce nowadays. Trust me, I know.

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 20, 2012 10:06 AM (xoh0r)

122
Santorum's 15 point lead over Romney in Michigan narrows to 4 per PPP.

It's DOOM depending on which side of the fence you are on.

Posted by: Clarence at February 20, 2012 10:06 AM (p3rSR)

123 I'm a Michigander and I assure you, I do not dream of living in Chicago.

I know. I was kidding.

My wife's family lives in and around Traverse City. My father-in-law might as well be Red Greene. But, face it, if you live in Detroit or Flint, Chicago is an upgrade.

I enjoy your blog.

Thank you.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:06 AM (8y9MW)

124
justamom, my wife (the lovely and gracious Sonetka's Mom) and I were married in 1978. The economy was in the crapper, I was a liberal-arts grad with little in the way of prospects, and she became pregnant almost immediately. She was working as a legal secretary, but when we ran the numbers, it was clear that it made little sense for her to continue working: when you subtracted the costs of day care and so on, the net from her salary was next to nothing. And it's not as if being a secretary to a gaggle of lawyers is the road to professional or spiritual fulfillment!

So, she stayed home. For a long time after that, we were a two-income family, but that was me moonlighting. We had some very lean years, but we managed to raise our five kids, each of whom is, I think, a terrific person, and buy a modest home (in Chicago). And while I won't presume to speak for her, I think that the decision for my wife to stay home was one of the smartest and best decisions we made.

So, best of luck to you and your husband. It's a shame that your stepdaughter is such a fool (and anyone who thinks she has all the answers is, by definition, a fool); but here's hoping she at least learns some common courtesy while residing in your home.

Posted by: Brown Line at February 20, 2012 10:09 AM (VrNoa)

125 #115 In regards to the originality of Obama speeches, do you remember this one?

This is the hour. Now is the time.

Walking through family room last night and "Joan of Arc" was on with Ingrid Bergman. And she sits in armor on a horse, looks up to heaven and says:

This is the hour. Now is the time.

Creeped me out completely.

Posted by: Miss Marple at February 20, 2012 10:10 AM (GoIUi)

126 The ECB can retroactively change the terms that you bought thinking they were protected by the rule of law. Just like what the SCOAMF did with GM and Chrysler bondholders.

Because fuck you, that's why

http://tinyurl.com/89gdmj5



Posted by: kbdabear at February 20, 2012 10:10 AM (Y+DPZ)

127 I know he won't see it, but Vic, you and yours are in my prayers.

From the dying poor article:
Kotlikoff, as it happens, is a hawk on the subject of deficit spending. To the visible debt of the federal government he adds the unfunded promises of future social spending. He says this country is $211 trillion in the hole.

If that's not horrifying, I don't know what is. Does anyone have to hand a link to the estimated net amount that sitting out there in 401(k)s, IRAs and other retirement accounts? Because the one conspiracy theory that I am starting to believe is that the Feds are going to start eyeing that pile of cash, say "hey, annuities are soooo much better for you, it's science!" and then nationalize everything into Fed based annuities.

I also anticipate that the response to that will be, um, how to put this, a touch of watering the tree of liberty if done.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 10:10 AM (VtjlW)

128 Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2012 10:04 AM (NYnoe)

That's awesome.

On a similar note- I have to brag on my Sunday School Class. We found out about a woman living in her car (she'd been evicted some time before, and had just gotten a job a Walmart making the lofty sum of 7.95/hour). So, on Saturday, when one of our elders met her and found out about her situation, he offered to let her stay in our parking-lot (we don't have facilities that would have made her appreciably more comfortable in the building- plus liability issues, as much as I hate to say that). That was Saturday. Sunday, when he told us about it, we apparently gathered enough to put her up for two weeks in a hotel- which she may not need because a couple of families are talking about putting her up in their own homes so she can save up some money for a deposit on an apartment.

For those who say that churches can't and/or won't step up if the government just gets out of the way, I present (admittedly anecdotal) evidence exhibit A to disprove your theory.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:12 AM (8y9MW)

129 Iran launches aerial defense drill
Preparing for strike on nuke sites? Tehran embarks on four-day drill that will include anti-aircraft fire; Iranian official threatens to push oil prices to $150 a barrel

$150 a barrel, that oughta do wonders for obama's miracle economic recovery?

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 10:12 AM (i6RpT)

130 Re: divorce, I still cannot believe it when people my age (50s) get divorced! A family we know well through our church is going through it now, they have three daughters aged 24, 19, and 16. Hard to believe. We are close to the daughters and they are taking it hard. My brother is on wife #3 now, his middle daughter was so messed up by the divorce that she has been on and off drugs for years, never went to college, got knocked up and married at 19, had 3 kids and now she is divorced too. I do know a few happy endings from divorce - the adults, anyway - but the kids are universally a mess. Most of the messed-up adults I know are children of divorced or never-married parents.

Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2012 10:13 AM (NYnoe)

131 fuck sock off.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at February 20, 2012 10:13 AM (p3rSR)

132 "I'm counting down until my 31 yr old single mom stepdaughter comes to stay at the end of the month! I love them both, but she is really liberal and loud about it. Her mother is gay and she is a sex therapist. Please cross your fingers she finds a job and can afford to find her own place!"

Yikes.

Your life is about to pull a 180 - from pure heaven to unmitigated hell.

Let your husband know that there will be a ZERO TOLERANCE policy for any bullshit whatsoeverout ofyour stepdaughter, and then stick to your guns.

PS: Got anynekkid pics of your husband's ex and her dyke friends?

Thanks in advance.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 10:18 AM (Bjf6P)

133 AllenG, great story! Reminds me of the story of the starfish - we often feel like we can't save everyone, so why bother? - but we can save one. My former church hired a homeless guy to do odd jobs, eventually he worked his way into a full time sexton job with health benefits, we found him an apartment and the congregation donated enough furniture to furnish his entire place.

Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2012 10:19 AM (qE3AR)

134 9
The marriage construct as it exists in today's society is not worth it for men.

Oh bullcrap. My husband is a supremely happy man. (I am a happy woman although that's not really the point of this reply).

The procreation of children, the healthy direction of sexual appetites, the support and companionship thorugh all lifes pleasures and trials all make marriage worthwhile, as worth it as it ever was.

Men get the added bonus now of accomplished women who either make great moms or co-providers.

Posted by: SarahW at February 20, 2012 10:24 AM (LYwCh)

135 I don't think that's really the case, though. Females are still overwhelmingly hypergamous.

Yup. I like to pose as if I'm the exception to the rule since I don't give a crap about whether a partner can take care of me, I just want someone who takes care of themself. I can (sort of) take care of myself, thank you very much. I don't care about money or status or education or credentials. But that person had damn well be smarter than me. If not? Buh bye.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 10:25 AM (VtjlW)

136 SarahW - exactly! Younger men may not think it is worth it, but they never stop to think about being old and alone.

Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2012 10:28 AM (NYnoe)

137 The marriage construct as it exists in today's society is not worth it for men.Oh bullcrap. My husband is a supremely happy man. (I am a happy woman although that's not really the point of this reply).

I think that's rather the point. If mama ain't happy, ain't nobody happy.

Domestic law is outrageously weighted against men. From a cold blooded fiscal calculation, there is absolutely no advantage for a man to marry. Of course, of course there are many other factors than economic to take into account when discussing marriage, but I find it very difficult to say that a man who views the current legal landscape and says "screw that why would I marry you" is making an irrational decision.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 10:30 AM (VtjlW)

138 The procreation of children, the healthy direction of sexual appetites,
the support and companionship thorugh all lifes pleasures and trials all
make marriage worthwhile, as worth it as it ever was.


Only if you accept those things as the benefits of marriage. However, we've spent at least the last 40 years ridiculing and demeaning those things, so it's not hard to see why young men might not factor those into their internal cost/benefit analysis the same way their parents or grandparents might have.

From a purely "practical" standpoint, marriage is a losing proposition for men. At least, when you look at the odds. I don't know that it is, as some one said above, like playing Russian Roulette with all the chambers filled, but it's certainly like playing Russian Roulette with 4 of the 6 full.

There are ways to mitigate that danger, but not to remove it completely, unfortunately. And, in modern society, the guy is almost always the "loser" in a divorce.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:30 AM (8y9MW)

139 >>People, real living people, dream of living in Chicago? Really?

I did when I was 16 and that was the only place I'd been outside rural Iowa/rural Ohio (which are actually very different places, not that you can convince anyone who has never been to both places of that). Then I grew up.

But I'm not a real person.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 10:31 AM (ZKzrr)

140 Hate to tell you SarahW, but you and your husband are rare data points, assuming what you say is true. With a divorce rate of about 50%, and over 70% of divorces being filed by women (and in some demographics, 90%!), with typically crushing emotional and financial results upon the men, marriage is a high-risk, high-stakesgamble for men.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 10:32 AM (DrWcr)

141 I don't know that it is, as some one said above, like playing Russian Roulette with all the chambers filled, but it's certainly like playing Russian Roulette with 4 of the 6 full.

That was me, Allen. I like to think of myself as an optimist.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 10:34 AM (v+QvA)

142 I find it very difficult to say that a man who views the current legal
landscape and says "screw that why would I marry you" is making an
irrational decision.


This is especially true in light of how frequently the woman in the relationship is willing to shack up. Guys can, and do, get every benefit of marriage without actually marrying every day. Better, for them, dissolving a common-law marriage is not nearly as much of a burden on the man than dissolving a fully-certified marriage.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:34 AM (8y9MW)

143 Prayers being sent for Vic and his wife. Damn.. hated seeing that this morning.

Posted by: jewells45 at February 20, 2012 10:35 AM (l/N7H)

144 >>Men get the added bonus now of accomplished women who either make great moms or co-providers.

The fraction of men who want to marry a woman who has accomplished more than they have, or provide more than they do, is very small indeed.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 10:35 AM (ZKzrr)

145 Oh, and this is a great rant.
http://classicalvalues.com/2012/02/dispatches-from-different-wars/

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 10:36 AM (ZKzrr)

146 136 rockmom wrote, SarahW - exactly! Younger men may not think it is worth it, but they never stop to think about being old and alone.

rockmom, you'd be surprised at the number of younger men who have that in mind when they decided marriage isn't worth it. That's down to the divorces they've see occur, frequently in their own families. An uncle, an older brother, or even their own father blindsided by divorce, working two jobs to pay alimony + child support, and living in a car because he can't afford an apartment.

Young men today realize that marriage just means they'll die alone and broke, instead of just alone. It's surprising to me, but generally it's the younger men are the most hard-headed about the risk/reward of marriage, because of what they've experienced in their own circle.

Posted by: Looking Glass at February 20, 2012 10:37 AM (nbj44)

147 I just watched "Reagan" on the history channel. Three thoughts 1. Boy, does their research or memories or propaganda SUCK, 2. Bob Sheiffer is a douchebag, he was a douche then and is a douche now (if he's still alive), and 3. I still weep uncontrollably at Reagan's funeral film--will that ever go away?

Posted by: dagny at February 20, 2012 10:40 AM (7w+6S)

148 This is especially true in light of how frequently the woman in the relationship is willing to shack up. Guys can, and do, get every benefit of marriage without actually marrying every day. Better, for them, dissolving a common-law marriage is not nearly as much of a burden on the man than dissolving a fully-certified marriage

Don't forget that common law marriage is becoming a thing of the past. I can go on and on and on for hours about the bullshit where if a man does not contest paternity fairly soon after the child's birth, that man will end up on the hook for child support for that child even after it is conclusively provent that the child isn't his. What. The. Hell. I am utterly unmoved by the arguments that the child's interest should win out and that it's better that than having the child rely on public assistance and whatever. It's bullshit. Not only do you have the pain for knowing you were cheated on, now you get to pay for someone else's kid. Yeah. No.

Of course, I'm in favor of making divorces far more difficult to obtain and for mandatory DNA testing of all children for paternity at birth so take that as you may. I remain horrified nearly 20 years later as to just how easy it was to get my divorce. Admittedly, we had no child and no assets but still.


Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 10:41 AM (VtjlW)

149 "Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:12 AM (8y9MW)"

Stuff like that happens in our church all the time; there's a widowed mother in our church who has been living in the homes of members with her two kids for the past two years while she gets back on her feet (literally) after major surgery.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 20, 2012 10:41 AM (azHfB)

150 "I did when I was 16 and that was the only place I'd been outside rural Iowa/rural Ohio (which are actually very different places, not that you can convince anyone who has never been to both places of that). Then I grew up."

I [and my various other pseudonyms] have long been curious as to just when that would have been for HeatherRadish.

I'm guessing maybe somewhere in the range of:

1972 + 16 = 1988
1977+ 16 = 1993


Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 10:41 AM (Bjf6P)

151 Heather, that IS a great rant

Posted by: dagny at February 20, 2012 10:43 AM (7w+6S)

152 there's a widowed mother in our church who has been living in the homes
of members with her two kids for the past two years while she gets back
on her feet (literally) after major surgery.


And, yet, we're told that churches and private organizations are incapable of helping those who need it.

The mind, it boggles.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:44 AM (8y9MW)

153 Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Considering that nearly half the cows will take 50%+ of what the bull owns, really, what's in it for him?

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 10:44 AM (7IadG)

154 Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Considering that
nearly half the cows will take 50%+ of what the bull owns, really,
what's in it for him?


Moral Hazard isn't just a reality in economics.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:47 AM (8y9MW)

155 @153: Thanks, feminism!

Posted by: Joffen, fucking sunshine patriot at February 20, 2012 10:47 AM (xoh0r)

156 I notice that the girls who date my sons want them to buy them shit, constantly. They break up with them regularly over this. I encourage them to break it off with the first demand. Hopefully this will train them in what kind of woman to stay in a relationship with; most of these girls have no trouble trading poon for dinner, tickets, jewelry, booze, bar tabs, etc. I'd like them to not think that's a good plan or they will end up with a woman who doesn't care about herself and wants to literally screw them out of every dime.

For god's sake, I'm their MOTHER and I tell them that they're all pink on the inside.

Posted by: dagny at February 20, 2012 10:48 AM (7w+6S)

157 145
Oh, and this is a great rant.

^^^

Indeed!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 10:48 AM (7IadG)

158 Re: Marriage. It's long been my contention that if heterosexuals hadn't so debased the institution of marriage, teh gheys would have no interest in it. Right now, teh gheys see it as just a grab-bag of benefits without responsibilities, and an in-yer-face to the Christian Right.

Posted by: Gregory of Yardale at February 20, 2012 10:49 AM (azHfB)

159 <<The fraction of men who want to marry a woman who has accomplished more
than they have, or provide more than they do, is very small indeed.>>



That fraction is made even smaller by the number of accomplished women that will date below their paygrade.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 20, 2012 10:49 AM (tf9Ne)

160 "they're all pink on the inside"

Translation?

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 10:50 AM (Bjf6P)

161 Thanks, feminism!

^^^

Heh! Click my link Joffen.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 10:50 AM (7IadG)

162 Anyone old enough to remember Eddie Murphy's "Raw"? "Half the money!"

Marriage is a contract. Breach of contract laws should apply, but then ask those GM bondholders what happened to their primacy clauses?

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 10:50 AM (O3R/2)

163 153 Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? Considering that nearly half the cows will take 50%+ of what the bull owns, really, what's in it for him?
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 10:44 AM (7IadG)


Well... I mean, that's probably true of a 17 year old, epecially if he lives in a world of crotch-shaving teen ex-virgin girls with "Juicy" written on their asses.

But really, don't Love, Caring, Companionship, Unconditional Acceptance, Family, Warmth, Trust, etc., enter into the calculus even for most men, at some point?

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 10:50 AM (niZvt)

164 As a man who has been in a solid, loving, and mutually fulfilling marriage for the past 15 years and knowing now what I didn't know then:

There is no effing way I'd roll the dice ona rigged tablelike this again. I've seen too many divorced friends destroyed emotionally and financially by the women they loved and chose to marry. I got lucky and I know it.

Posted by: Jaws at February 20, 2012 10:51 AM (4I3Uo)

165
162Anyone old enough to remember Eddie Murphy's "Raw"? "Half the money!"

Marriage is a contract. Breach of contract laws should apply, but then ask those GM bondholders what happened to their primacy clauses?
---
Edday!!!! I want half!!

Posted by: Jimmah at February 20, 2012 10:52 AM (845uI)

166 But really, don't Love, Caring, Companionship, Unconditional Acceptance,
Family, Warmth, Trust, etc., enter into the calculus even for most men,
at some point?


Sure they do. But, quite often, you can get all of those without shelling out 4 - 5 figures for a ring, and being on the hook for 50%+ of your assets when (statistically speaking, it's now 'when' not 'if') things fall apart.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:53 AM (8y9MW)

167 #164 Ditto. I got lucky. But I know guys that got screwed. One friend said that if he paid for $1,000 a night hookers, he would have come out ahead.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 10:54 AM (O3R/2)

168 160 "they're all pink on the inside"

Translation?
Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 10:50 AM (Bjf6P)


That reminds me of my fellow ROTC cadet, already engaged before he even graduated.

"A hole is hole," was this great moralist's take as he showed me her rather unimpressive pic.

Heh. Wonder how THAT relationship worked out?

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 10:55 AM (niZvt)

169 CoolCzech wrote, But really, don't Love, Caring, Companionship, Unconditional Acceptance, Family, Warmth, Trust, etc., enter into the calculus even for most men, at some point?

Not after they've even a little experience with modern women. For example, the tweets of girls volunteering to be in a relationship with Chris Brown, even, or especially, if he beats them like he did Rihanna.

Even mothers like dagny in #156 are warning their sons off of modern girls.

Posted by: Looking Glass at February 20, 2012 10:55 AM (nbj44)

170 But really, don't Love, Caring, Companionship, Unconditional Acceptance,
Family, Warmth, Trust, etc., enter into the calculus even for most men,
at some point?

^^^

Sure. But for the fact marital statistics and legal decisions prove it's not in their best interest.

The system is rigged -- advantage---> women.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 10:55 AM (7IadG)

171 I got lucky and I know it.

Honestly, I suspect 'luck' has very little to do with relationships that don't end in divorce.

My wife and I got into this together knowing one thing above all- you have to choose, every single day, to love your spouse. Now, for many of us (and, I would stipulate, for most successful marriages), that "choice" is not something you're doing consciously very often; it's just kind of "built in." But even for us (7.5 years later, and we're still being told to get a room), there are days where we have to consciously set ourselves aside and make a conscious decision to love the other one.

Too many people never learn that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:56 AM (8y9MW)

172 "But you know Homer, 1 out of 100 arranged marriages ends in divorce."

-Quik E Mart owner

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 10:58 AM (O3R/2)

173 there are days where we have to consciously set ourselves aside and make a conscious decision to love the other one.
Too many people never learn that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 10:56 AM

Yes, love is an action, a verb, not a feeling.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:00 AM (4q5tP)

174 I've been married 25+ years since the age of 23. Never had a day of trouble and my heart quickens when I hear his car. It's really the easiest thing I've even done. In fact I have no philosophy but I think it's because I'd rather he be happy than me and he'd rather I be happy than him. We also get our jollies out of intellectual pursuits not material ones.

Posted by: dagny at February 20, 2012 11:00 AM (7w+6S)

175
In the end, marriageis like entering into a partnership of a stressful, sometimes boring, andextremely hard not for profit business.
I love my wife but, just sayin...

Posted by: Sgt. Fury at February 20, 2012 11:02 AM (bPdXm)

176 175
In the end, marriageis like entering into a partnership of a stressful, sometimes boring, andextremely hard not for profit business.
I love my wife but, just sayin...
Posted by: Sgt. Fury at February 20, 2012 11:02 AM (bPdXm)

I love my wife also, it's just that I am not talking to her today

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 11:04 AM (i6RpT)

177 I love watching the History Channel on a day like this to hear how FDR was one of our 'greatest Presidents'.

Jesus......

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 11:04 AM (7IadG)

178 Jimbo

Take your Northwest European Supremacy over to Hot Air. Europeans, Eastern and Western, Latin Americans, Americans, Canadians, Filipinos and Australians are all part of the West. Ignoramuses like you are concerned about biological makeup, not cultural. That dream died in 1945 and its sick many Americans are embracing Nazi like ideas.

Posted by: The Eagle at February 20, 2012 11:05 AM (l52K6)

179 I love watching the History Channel on a day like this to hear how FDR was one of our 'greatest Presidents'.

Jesus......
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 11:04 AM (7IadG)

If they are comparing him to obama, maybe. And say what you want about FDR, he did lead us thru WW2

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 11:06 AM (i6RpT)

180 The sexual revolution actually disempowered women instead of the the myth of empowerment.

Women no longer have the ability to corral the males natural state of searching for sexual variety. Outlets for men that used to be difficult to obtain are now available with a flick of a mouse.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at February 20, 2012 11:06 AM (c9cG5)

181 Santorum continues pushing his theocratic crap. Does the GOP support Theocracy now? Is this the SoCons real agenda?

Posted by: The Eagle at February 20, 2012 11:07 AM (l52K6)

182 If they are comparing him to obama, maybe. And say what you want about FDR, he did lead us thru WW2

Yeah... he also kind of got us into WW2.
Also, I'm not at all certain that any other President (well, except maybe our 39th, 42nd or 44th) wouldn't have done as well, really.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:08 AM (8y9MW)

183 " Is this the SoCons real agenda?"

Of course. Santorum will be Pope.

Posted by: cherry at February 20, 2012 11:10 AM (OhYCU)

184 When your wife says to you that you probably should get a girlfriend on the side 'cause she's closing up the shop, your marriage is on the rocks.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:12 AM (4q5tP)

185 "But really, don't Love, Caring, Companionship, Unconditional Acceptance, Family, Warmth, Trust, etc., enter into the calculus even for most men, at some point?"

Even Heartiste acknowledges that the chick's Dad has a lot to do with it - he's starting to admit [at least implicitly] that his techniques are designed for the Blue State dating scene.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 11:12 AM (Bjf6P)

186 Of course. Santorum will be Pope.

Does that mean if I support Santorum I will get to wear a pope hat while canvassing? Because that may get me to reconsider my SMOD position.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 11:12 AM (VtjlW)

187 What Progressives should stay up nights thinking about is once they make
the test for certain medical procedures and drugs up to the federal
government, all it will take is an anti-abortion President to shut it
all down. Roe v Wade will mean nothing once the government is already involved in the choice.

Posted by: Islamic Rage Boy at February 20, 2012 11:13 AM (e8kgV)

188 If you need/want uncondionatal love and acceptance, get a dog.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:14 AM (4q5tP)

189 also, unconditional.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:15 AM (4q5tP)

190 I love watching the History Channel on a day like this to hear how FDR was one of our 'greatest Presidents'.

Jesus......
Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 11:04 AM (7IadG)



Having seen that series before, just wait until they get to Reagan. You'll love it.

The easiest way to know whether there is a bias (and what kind of bias) in a history textbook is just to skip to the section on Reagan and see what it says about him. The same principle applies here.

When the conservative commentator they use to balance out the others is David Gergen, you know it's not worth your time.

Posted by: AD at February 20, 2012 11:16 AM (q0hEs)

191 Yes, love is an action, a verb, not a feeling.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:00 AM (4q5tP)

Great Clint Black song about this, called "Something That We Do." Find it on YouTube. One of our favorites!

Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2012 11:16 AM (aBlZ1)

192 181..

Have you actually listened to what Santorum said or have you just assumed the stupid MSM soundbites are accurate? If you listened, he was not talking about religion. He was talking about Obama's motivation for his anti-american destructive behavior.. And if the American people don't get this, we are Doomed..

He is NOT A BUMBLING FOOL.. HE HAS A PLAN..

To think otherwise is a mistake!


Posted by: catman at February 20, 2012 11:16 AM (YKUmW)

193 cherry,
Santorum would be the best Pope. He should go to the Curia when the Pope does and submit his candidacy of the Pope. As for US President, Obama will crush Santorum in the general.

Posted by: The Eagle at February 20, 2012 11:18 AM (l52K6)

194 I'd just like to know what they think can be "worked out" for Greece. There is nothing to be worked out. They catagorically refuse to face facts. They are going back to being the poorest country in Europe one way or another. Done deal. No way around it.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 11:18 AM (OlN4e)

195
He is NOT A BUMBLING FOOL.. HE HAS A PLAN..

^^^

Oh he does? I'd love to hear it.

I listened to a clip yesterday where he said that wanting lower taxes/reduced regulations was more libertarian in nature - not conservative.


Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 11:19 AM (7IadG)

196 I'd just like to know what they think can be "worked out" for Greece.

I think it was last night that someone was saying that other countries are going to come in, buy up parts of Greece and run them as de facto fiefdoms. I think that's the most likely scenario.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 11:20 AM (VtjlW)

197 There is nothing to be worked out. They catagorically refuse to face
facts. They are going back to being the poorest country in Europe one
way or another. Done deal.


Yep. We're screwed.

What's that you say? Why "we?" Because we bailed them out, too, and probably will again in the next few weeks (yay us!). The European Union was stupid to begin with, and now they don't even have the guts to admit their "grand experiment" failed. If they'd just let it fall apart, it would hurt less. In the long run, anyway.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:20 AM (8y9MW)

198 163? Posted by: CoolCzech

"...But really, don't Love, Caring, Companionship, Unconditional Acceptance, Family, Warmth, Trust, etc., enter into the calculus even for most men, at some point?"

Both of my wives dropped dead on me- literally. Almost 30 years apart. Both were my best friends. I am quite content alone with my Golden Retriever- but I did like being married. The give, the take, the Laughing Laughter and the Hateful Hates. The backup mutual support. It was nice. If I run into the right woman I wouldn't rule it out, one Mo' time. Money isn't an issue with me- I've been rich poor several times- now I'm poor again. So what? These thing change. But if I found a Good One, I'd consider it.

Posted by: backhoe at February 20, 2012 11:21 AM (QROim)

199 Does that mean if I support Santorum I will get to wear a pope hat while
canvassing? Because that may get me to reconsider my SMOD position.


No that's for the candidate only. I think canvassers just get a crozier and maybe a holy hand grenade of Antioch for the select few.

Posted by: Olbie at February 20, 2012 11:21 AM (Nq/UF)

200 I think it was last night that someone was saying that other countries
are going to come in, buy up parts of Greece and run them as de facto
fiefdoms.


I don't think so. I mean, what benefit would be in it for these other countries? They get all the costs of running part of Greece, and there's no benefit to be had, really. What? The great work ethic of the Greeks? There's only one Athens, so whoever buys that gets all (or almost all) of any tourism dollars that would come in- everybody else loses.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:22 AM (8y9MW)

201 184
When your wife says to you that you probably should get a girlfriend on
the side 'cause she's closing up the shop, your marriage is on the
rocks.

---------------

Then you find out, she didn't really mean it.

Posted by: real joe at February 20, 2012 11:23 AM (w7Lv+)

202 So Greece will become a debtor-in-possession case? Seems about right.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:23 AM (4q5tP)

203 Then you find out, she didn't really mean it.

That, or she wasn't satisfied for no-fault or mutual-consent divorce.

And, yes, I've heard of such cases.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:24 AM (8y9MW)

204 Prayers for Vic and Mrs. Vic.

Posted by: SurferDoc at February 20, 2012 11:24 AM (6H6FZ)

205 195- The plan there is to get the Repubs defending their Lower taxes and regulations to focus the attack.. Freeze Etc.. Once there is a debate on whether lower taxes are good and less regulation is good..Where is your compromise position? Once that happens the red base is pissed.. and the election is Won because Luap Nor splits the vote..

He is focusing the debate.. never mind it makes any sense..

Posted by: catman at February 20, 2012 11:25 AM (NYdB8)

206 I think it was last night that someone was saying that other countries are going to come in, buy up parts of Greece and run them as de facto fiefdoms. I think that's the most likely scenario. Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 11:20 AM (VtjlW) So are people lining up to buy their own little piece of ghetto? Who would be stupid enough to invest in Greece? What have they got that is worth money, other than an glorious past? There must be a payoff of some sort for anyone to invest in Greece, and I see nothing there but loss.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 11:26 AM (OlN4e)

207 Have you actually listened to what Santorum said or have you just assumed the stupid MSM soundbites are accurate? If you listened, he was not talking about religion. He was talking about Obama's motivation for his anti-american destructive behavior.. And if the American people don't get this, we are Doomed..

He is NOT A BUMBLING FOOL.. HE HAS A PLAN..

To think otherwise is a mistake!



I agree that's what Santorum intended, but every political speech and interview get broken into soundbites and every politician knows that. They speak accordingly. They know what they intended can be taken out of context and damage them very badly.

Yes, the media is biased. That shouldn't be news to Santorum. Either he doesn't care and intends this message to get out or he's being sloppy. Either one does not bode well for his chances in November. I'm actually less against now just because Romney's been doing so bad, but that still doesn't change the fact that this doesn't bode well and he's not a babe in the wood--He's been in politics for a couple decades and should know how to handle himself by this point.

Posted by: AD at February 20, 2012 11:26 AM (q0hEs)

208 You may not believe this...but Illinois used to be a pretty nice place to live. We offered abundant jobs, decent taxes, and with Chicago all of the cultural offerings of a world class city. Smashing Pumpkins were huge and the gheys had reclaimed the worst neighborhoods. The winters were freezing cold and the summers were blistering...ideal weather for me. I was young and beautiful and hada perfect mullet.
Jim Edgar was a popular Republican governor. The state's finances were sound. For a time, even the legislaturehad GOP control (?!).
It was sad to leave when I went into the AF in the mid 90s...then I came back to live there for a time in 2011 and found the place had turned into Czechoslovakia circa 1978.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 20, 2012 11:26 AM (Ec6wH)

209 AndIhopealliswellwithyou,Vic.
(my comments appear to have beenZipped)

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 20, 2012 11:28 AM (Ec6wH)

210 When she stops buying any food for you to eat and most meals she "prepares" are drivethru for her and the kids with none for you, your marriage is on the rocks.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:29 AM (4q5tP)

211 193 cherry,
Santorum would be the best Pope. He should go to the Curia when the Pope does and submit his candidacy of the Pope. As for US President, Obama will crush Santorum in the general.
Posted by: The Eagle at February 20, 2012 11:18 AM (l52K6)


If Santorum can't shake off his habit of focusing on the social issues at a time when our whole economy is one giant abortion... You're right.

Posted by: CoolCzech at February 20, 2012 11:29 AM (niZvt)

212 hi all
this just in:
I hate all banks

Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 11:30 AM (7FadD)

213 I hate all banks

As a former bank teller whose father is a (recently promoted) Sr. VP of a Bank Holding Company... I'm sorry to hear that.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:31 AM (8y9MW)

214 He is NOT A BUMBLING FOOL.. HE HAS A PLAN

Those are not mutually exclusive arguments.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2012 11:31 AM (SY2Kh)

215 They're closed today, chemjeff. Or have you been attracted to an OWS anti-bankster hippie chick?

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 11:32 AM (4q5tP)

216 What have they got that is worth money, other than an glorious past?

Gorgeous land. When I say fiefdoms, I mean it. There's been some discussion of developers buying large tracts of land and some islands and turning those into walled and gated retirement areas and then more or less running those as independent states. Think the resort areas of Mexico. As long as you've got the money for the guards, you can live like a king. Well, if you're a well heeled land/gent from Finland, would you rather live out the end of your life in Finland or in Greece?

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 11:33 AM (VtjlW)

217 He is NOT A BUMBLING FOOL.. HE HAS A PLAN..

I am not! And yes I do!

Wait, what?

Posted by: Barky Obumbles at February 20, 2012 11:34 AM (vbh31)

218 well, the bank I called today was open
so they have that going for them
except, they are populated by idiots

Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 11:34 AM (7FadD)

219 You've got it, Alex . . . I have a feeling that in the nearish future the sunnier lands will have quite the premium . . .

Posted by: BlackOrchid at February 20, 2012 11:35 AM (SB0V2)

220 Santorum's problem is that he is spending most of his time trying to explain what he REALLY meant when he makes some stupid statement which is often.

People on the other hand hear what he said and read the headlines. They don't keep waiting for him to come out and say he REALLY was trying to say something else.

Posted by: robtr at February 20, 2012 11:35 AM (MtwBb)

221
Well, if you're a well heeled land/gent from Finland, would you rather live out the end of your life in Finland or in Greece?

Thats quite a choice, Alex.
Alex, do you have cancer?

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 11:36 AM (OlN4e)

222 Well, if you're a well heeled land/gent from Finland, would you rather live out the end of your life in Finland or in Greece?

Huh...the weather may suck, but I have run across some damn hot Finnish chicks in my time...

Can I think about that one?

Posted by: AD at February 20, 2012 11:36 AM (q0hEs)

223 AD at February 20, 2012 11:26 AM (q0hEs) "we are doomed"

We are double dog doomed with Santorum as nominee. That's an Obama landslide coming at a most inopportune time.

Posted by: SarahW at February 20, 2012 11:37 AM (LYwCh)

224 A Greek co-worker fully expects Greece to be kicked out of the EU in the June-July time-frame.

Posted by: Works for Greek Company at February 20, 2012 11:38 AM (tnmJP)

225 Works for Greek Company

Is that like "Will work for food?"

"Will work for Greek 'Company'."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:39 AM (8y9MW)

226
A proposed law in Virgina requires women to have ultrasounds before
terminating pregnancies. Since most abortions occur in the first
trimester, and since ultrasounds done before 12 are usually
transvaginal, that means that the state of Virginia is effectively
requiring women to be vaginally penetrated against their will. And
that’s rape.


I used to work in ultrasound, I just wanted to say that it was
usually called a endo-vaginal (EV) probe (not a transvaginal probe).

Some of the EV probes have virtually no moving parts but some annular
probes have an alternating internal probe head that moves
back-and-forth creating a bit of vibration. The story always was that
there was never a problem getting “models” (i.e. volunteers) for probe
testing with these vibrating EV probes.

There was one company (who will remain nameless) who had an EV probe
mounted to a chair (referred to in the trade as the ‘comfy chair’). My
favorite was that I always wondered if women would be comfortable with
an EV probe made by Seimens.

Posted by: Neo at February 20, 2012 11:40 AM (e8kgV)

227 Even Heartiste acknowledges that the chick's Dad has a lot to do with it
- he's starting to admit [at least implicitly] that his techniques are
designed for the Blue State dating scene.


I don't think he ever denied it. Most Game proponents admit that their techniques are only really useful once the institutions and traditions that have held together society start to break down. Many of those institutions and traditions were designed to protect paternity and discourage women from abandoning commitments when they found something "better" or more interesting.

Posted by: Alex at February 20, 2012 11:41 AM (L/4gD)

228 I'm sorry, did you say $6 trillion? How is that not a big deal? Was it a real threat, as in did they ALMOST get away with it?

It sounds to me like the plot to a Bond movie, or at least an Archer episode. Italian anarchists try to flood the market with $6 frickin' trillion in fake U.S. bonds, and if not for the combined efforts of James Bond, Sterling Archer, and Austin Powers, they would have ruled the world!!

Unless it was just some dope smokers with a copy machine or something. Otherwise.....sheesh!

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2012 11:42 AM (Gc/Qi)

229 and if not for the combined efforts of James Bond, Sterling Archer, and Austin Powers, they would have ruled the world!!

And they would have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for those nosy kids and their dog!

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:44 AM (8y9MW)

230 "except, they are populated by idiots"

Not PC, but when was the last time that you saw any of, er, ah, um,well,"Charles Murray's folks" - either Belmont, or Fishtown - workingphone support, or as tellers, or even as branch managers?

Those jobs allseem to be reserved to:

1) Satisfy the likes of the EEOC, and to
2)Provide the firewall that Clark Howard calls "Customer NO Service".



Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 11:44 AM (Bjf6P)

231 so they have that going for them
except, they are populated by idiots


Find a local (preferably State) bank, or a local Credit Union.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:46 AM (8y9MW)

232 It's really sad when you're so hungry that a generic 'Fiber One' bar tastes like a little piece of Heaven.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:47 AM (8y9MW)

233 Shorter left ---

ULTRASOUNDS ARE RAPE!!!!

When asked about OWS rapes --- YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT!!!

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 11:47 AM (7IadG)

234 Sperm banks are OK.

Posted by: USS Diversity at February 20, 2012 11:48 AM (VeTg+)

235 The left screaming rape is even funnier when you find out that PP uses the same probe to get the gestational age of the baby before they go in to kill it.

Posted by: dagny at February 20, 2012 11:48 AM (7w+6S)

236 Thats quite a choice, Alex.
That's the point. It's a fantastic investment if you presume the complete collapse of the Greek government, which seems like a sure thing at the moment.
Alex, do you have cancer?

Not that I know about (please God no). I lost my BFF to cancer about a year and a half ago, there are multiple Morons fighting cancer, Vinty's mom has cancer and now Vic found out this morning that his wife may have a recurrence of thyroid cancer. Oh my sil's daughter's boyfriend has thyroid cancer as well and one of her best friends has breast cancer.
Fuck. Cancer.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 11:48 AM (VtjlW)

237 Take your Northwest European Supremacy over to Hot
Air. Europeans, Eastern and Western, Latin Americans, Americans,
Canadians, Filipinos and Australians are all part of the West.
Ignoramuses like you are concerned about biological makeup, not
cultural. That dream died in 1945 and its sick many Americans are
embracing Nazi like ideas.


Posted by: The Eagle at February 20, 2012 11:05 AM (l52K6)

You are projecting. I am not racist. I am culturalist. Some cultures are superior to others.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 11:49 AM (O3R/2)

238 Fuck. Cancer.

Ditto.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:49 AM (8y9MW)

239 I'm sorry, did you say $6 trillion? How is that not a big deal? Was it a real threat, as in did they ALMOST get away with it?


I'm curious how the expected to unload it.

To paraphrase Hans Gruber, "when you forge $600, you can just disappear. When you forge $6 trillion, they will find you." (For the Secret Service guys reading this, yes, I'm kidding.)

That's aside from the fact that any entity actually dealing in treasury bonds probably makes a point of double-checking whether they're fake or not.

Posted by: AD at February 20, 2012 11:49 AM (q0hEs)

240 And actually it's even worse than that. Marcos the little bug-eyed freak said something like - rape? So? It's about the message not the messengers.

Yeah......okey dokey leftists.

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 11:50 AM (7IadG)

241
Federal law (5 U.S.C. 6103) establishes the following public
holidays for Federal employees. Please note that most Federal employees
work on a Monday through Friday schedule. For these employees, when a
holiday falls on a nonworkday — Saturday or Sunday — the holiday usually
is observed on Monday (if the holiday falls on Sunday) or Friday (if
the holiday falls on Saturday).

** This holiday is designated as “Washington’s Birthday” in
section 6103(a) of title 5 of the United States Code, which is the law
that specifies holidays for Federal employees. Though other institutions
such as state and local governments and private businesses may use
other names, it is our policy to always refer to holidays by the names
designated in the law.

Posted by: George Washington at February 20, 2012 11:52 AM (e8kgV)

242 "I don't think he ever denied it."

Except that he used to write as though his outlook was universal [and, let's face it - much of what Game propounds IS universal - even Red State chicks don't want whiny, squishy, self-doubting, self-loathing panty waistsfor theirmates], but lately, Heartiste is getting very "Big Picture" and is talking quite bluntly about the Red* State/Blue** State divide.



*Daddy

**Nanny

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 11:53 AM (Bjf6P)

243 That's aside from the fact that any entity actually dealing in treasury
bonds probably makes a point of double-checking whether they're fake or
not.


Depends on the specific series of bond and institution. Series EE and I bonds get redeemed at banks all the time, and I guarantee those tellers aren't double-checking the serial numbers unless they've been told to specifically. They're just checking the date against the bond book (to see what they should actually pay on the bond) and then paying.

The bank may do some more checking later, but by then it's normally too late.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:54 AM (8y9MW)

244 229 -

Seriously man, does Hans Gruber have any living relatives? Where was Ocean and his gang? What in the world would you do with $6 trillion dollars in fake bonds?

Heck, maybe it was Newt, and he was trying to finance his moon colonies.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2012 11:55 AM (Gc/Qi)

245 Find a local (preferably State) bank, or a local Credit Union.

oh I have one of those, for my everyday checking

but my HSA and my mortgage? another story...
idiots all of them

Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 11:55 AM (7FadD)

246 but my HSA and my mortgage? another story...
idiots all of them


Fair enough. I can't help you there.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 11:56 AM (8y9MW)

247 But you know if you're a guy and the sexual cafeteria line is always wide open and available--as it is these days--why bother getting married if all you're looking for is a little sex?

Posted by: Comanche Voter at February 20, 2012 09:36 AM (3ESDJ)
-----------------------------------------------------------
Why buy the cow when you get the milk for free?

Posted by: Truck Monkey at February 20, 2012 11:57 AM (jucos)

248 239 -

Heh, this does seem to be the kind of thing the Gruber family would try to pull.

Posted by: BurtTC at February 20, 2012 11:57 AM (Gc/Qi)

249 I think we need a Deep Thoughts thread for old times sake. I'll go ahead and kill this thread by posting one.


If butterflies carried guns, birds wouldn't fuck with them.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at February 20, 2012 11:57 AM (c9cG5)

250 If butterflies carried guns, birds wouldn't fuck with them.
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at February 20, 2012 11:57 AM (c9cG5)


I hate to break this to you, but birds normally mate with their own kind, and just eat butterflies.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2012 11:59 AM (UUV+X)

251 With a divorce rate of about 50%, and over 70% of
divorces being filed by women (and in some demographics, 90%!), with
typically crushing emotional and financial results upon the men,
marriage is a high-risk, high-stakesgamble for men.

Posted by: Insomniac


The divorce rate is not 50%. That's pernicious bullshit.

Why the fuck do people keep repeating that? Doesn't anyone have the slightest bit of skepticism any more?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2012 11:59 AM (9Hw3U)

252 Some cow milk gives you crabs.

Posted by: cherry at February 20, 2012 11:59 AM (OhYCU)

253 <<If butterflies carried guns, birds wouldn't fuck with them.>>

Yes we would since butterflies can't pull triggers.

Posted by: Alfred Hitchcock's Birds at February 20, 2012 12:01 PM (tf9Ne)

254 Apparently 80% of the young cows in NYC have chlamydia.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 12:01 PM (O3R/2)

255
I hate to break this to you, but birds normally mate with their own kind, and just eat butterflies.


SPECIESIST!!! H8R!!!

Posted by: North American Bird-Butterfly Love Association at February 20, 2012 12:02 PM (7FadD)

256 The White House announces that obama will meet Bibi at the White House on March 5th? If I were Israel, I'd attack before then.

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 12:03 PM (i6RpT)

257 I married a butterfly when I was young and dumb. She was so fragile.

Posted by: cherry at February 20, 2012 12:03 PM (OhYCU)

258
The 50% figure is nonsense but typical of what you get from the math challenged media. Let's see, there are 1000 marriages this year and 500 divorces, ergo 50% end up in divorce. Obviously, this ignores the fact that the 500 come from the entire body of married couples, not justthose married this year.

Posted by: ejo at February 20, 2012 12:03 PM (+jweo)

259
Her Royal Highness Queen Mooch is on another ski trip with the kiddies this weekend.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:04 PM (UOM48)

260 "obama will meet Bibi"


Will he be allowed to enter via the front door?

Posted by: cherry at February 20, 2012 12:04 PM (OhYCU)

261 Her Royal Highness Queen Mooch is on another ski trip with the kiddies this weekend.

Must. Resist. Avalanche. Jokes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:05 PM (8y9MW)

262 Come on Grey Fox I didnt say fuck them. I said fuck WITH them.

Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at February 20, 2012 12:05 PM (c9cG5)

263 Will he be allowed to enter via the front door?

I'm sure that Bibi would be gracious enough to allow the President to enter through the front door.

Wait. That's not what you meant, was it?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:06 PM (8y9MW)

264 <<Will he be allowed to enter via the front door?>>

We'll let him in the front but he'll be getting it in the back.

Posted by: Barry Obumbles at February 20, 2012 12:06 PM (tf9Ne)

265 Good morning, Moron Nation. (Yes, it's still morning here in Utah.)

Am I clever or am I clever? Give the man a little lovin' last night and manage to cajole him into cleaning the wood floors this morning. Clever ducky am I!


From Iowahawk's Twitter feed:

Bicycling Texans with small dogs are Gee-howdy terrierist pedalphiles

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:06 PM (5H6zj)

266 Happy Presidents Day, btw.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:07 PM (5H6zj)

267 Bicycling Texans with small dogs are Gee-howdy terrierist pedalphiles

oh man that's so wrong

Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 12:08 PM (7FadD)

268 I am a widower. Lost my wife some months ago. Married 35 years. I might like to get married again, but most of the women available are already divorced at least once. That fact makes me hesitant. That and the fact that I don't see how I could have a similar relationship to a wife at my age that I did when I married that lovely, lovely girl of 20.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 12:10 PM (OlN4e)

269 14 Prayers going up for Vic and Mrs. Vic.

---

God bless them both.

'Sure gives me perspective on my own trivial problems.

Posted by: Y-not catching up on the comments at February 20, 2012 12:11 PM (5H6zj)

270 So if the 50% divorce rate is incorrect, what is the actual divorce rate? The comparative rates of divorce and marriage are roughly 50% a year, according to CDC numbers (6.8 per thousand for marriage, 3.4 per thousand for divorce). It does not necessarily mean that half the marriages in that year end in divorce. Perhaps it would be more accurate to say that the divorce rate is roughly 50% of the marriage rate?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 12:11 PM (v+QvA)

271 Unfortunately I'm from near Aspen, and I can say that the douchebags who live up there will cheer Michelle no matter how hypocritical she is.

Posted by: Alex at February 20, 2012 12:11 PM (L/4gD)

272 hey maddogg so sorry to hear about your wife

Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 12:11 PM (7FadD)

273 The problem with the glory days of Illinois was that Edgar and Thompson, both R's, were big spending non-socon governors whose habits started the State down the path of today. George Ryan, another moderate non-socon, put a stake in the heart of R's in Illinois with both his spending and his stupendous corruption. The R's ran him off. Of course, the fiscal insanity has continued and accelerated with the D's in complete control. Blago was corrupt and a bad guy (but I would rather have him in all his glory than the current governor-I think I would issue him a pardon if I could).

Posted by: ejo at February 20, 2012 12:11 PM (+jweo)

274 @268
maddogg,
First, condolences on your loss. I'm so very sorry for you.
Second, and please don't take this as too gruesome, but when my mom was dying (in a hospice) my dad got involved in the spouse hospice support group and I believe after that he volunteered with a hospice support group via his church (he's Catholic). There would be complications, of course, but you might meet a nice widow that way.
I apologize if that sounds creepy.

Posted by: Y-not catching up on the comments at February 20, 2012 12:14 PM (5H6zj)

275
Got a question for you morons, ettes: Is gas really 25% cheaper in Denver than in LA?

I'm outside Denver, but it's my closest metro area. The gas buddy site shows lots of stations charging 2.92. The highest price, at the airport, is 3.35.

I read reports of 4.00+ in LA. Is that right? And what about other cities?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:14 PM (Usk3+)

276 The 50% figure is nonsense but typical of what you get from the math challenged media. Let's see, there are 1000 marriages this year and 500 divorces, ergo 50% end up in divorce. Obviously, this ignores the fact that the 500 come from the entire body of married couples, not justthose married this year.

Posted by: ejo at February 20, 2012 12:03 PM (+jweo)

Marriage stats are almost always used to push some agenda or another.

Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 12:14 PM (JEVge)

277 Comrades, comrades. I am enjoying our new Socialism. The commute is much shorter - zero. I pay much less for gas - zero, since we are all out of work. Plus. I no longer have to worry about investment decisions, and trying to sell my house for a profit. Glorious days, comrades!

Posted by: Fellow Socialist at February 20, 2012 12:16 PM (OhYCU)

278 Marriage stats are almost always used to push some agenda or another.
Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 12:14 PM (JEVge)


So, what is the actual divorce rate then? Seriously, if the 50% figure is inaccurate, what is the rate?

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 12:16 PM (v+QvA)

279 I read reports of 4.00+ in LA. Is that right? And what about other cities?
-----
Our local place is just above $3 right now, but it can be as low as $2.75 with the grocery purchase discount. I'm in Orem, Utah.

Posted by: Y-not catching up on the comments at February 20, 2012 12:17 PM (5H6zj)

280 O/T check out the dork Christina Hendricks is married to. Also noticethat every feature story at the UK DailyMail has comments in the comment sections EXCEPT for the story on the Mooch. The ProgPress...a world wide endeavor.
**
http://tinyurl.com/6rtmyng


Posted by: dananjcon at February 20, 2012 12:17 PM (8ieXv)

281 Except that he used to write as though his outlook was universal [and,
let's face it - much of what Game propounds IS universal - even Red
State chicks don't want whiny, squishy, self-doubting, self-loathing
panty waistsfor theirmates], but lately, Heartiste is getting very "Big
Picture" and is talking quite bluntly about the Red* State/Blue** State
divide.


It is universal, but that's why we developed marriage and other institutions the way that they were: to counteract the worst behaviors of both. Since women had the most to gain by cheating, we upped the penalties, both socially and legally, for being caught. For men, there were arguably more opportunities to attract a mate because having a steady job and a good work ethic were enough to demonstrate your ability to be a provider for any children and social pressures encouraged men and women to settle down early instead of trying to play the field.

Posted by: Alex at February 20, 2012 12:19 PM (L/4gD)

282 Last time I noticed gas prices (last week) there were $3.99 here in Connecticut....well, SW CT. They get a little cheaper the farther east you go here.

Posted by: Tami at February 20, 2012 12:19 PM (X6akg)

283 Prayers out to Vic and Mrs Vic. Thats rough.

Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 12:20 PM (JEVge)

284 <<So, what is the actual divorce rate then? Seriously, if the 50% figure is inaccurate, what is the rate?>>

Since I was married and divorced twice (and that's not that uncommon) you would have to sort out the error that induces. Assuming you are trying to figure out the rate of successful first marriages.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 20, 2012 12:20 PM (tf9Ne)

285 O/T check out the dork Christina Hendricks is married to

I didn't think it was possible, but he actually makes here less hot.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:20 PM (8y9MW)

286 Posted by: dagny at February 20, 2012 11:48 AM (7w+6S)



The risk from transvaginal ultrasound should be avoided when it can be.

There is little about ob/gyn examinations and tests that is not humiliating. Having a medically necessary probe rammed up your hoo hoo is bad enough.

When it's not necessary it should not be done. Its a vector for infection, from common pathogens to viral and resistant bacterial STDs. The transponders can't be autoclaved. Probe covers leak and break (notoriously). The latex condoms that are sometimes substituted also break and can provoke reactions. A ten-minute soak in bacteriocidal solution between patients is not alway properly carried out in regular doctor's offices; even then all the gel doesn't get scraped out of crevices until the end of the day.

The gel used can become cross contaminated. (If you ever need a TV ultrasound and you see the office doesn't use single use packets, run, run fast and far away.) Then there is the issue of handwashing, contaminated gloves and improper handling of the probe/covers condoms. I have personally witnessed a (in a regular ob./gyn office) an operator drop a (wrapped) condom onto a keyboard for a table instead of a sterile drape, and run around the office touching cabinets with gloved hands at not changing them before touching the patient.

TV ultrasound should be done when there is medical benefit to outweigh the risk but never for spurious reasons.

It's extremely frustrating to here people argue that information from prenatal testing is an "economic bad" that noone should subsize a women receiving, and which women really ought not to have, and here the arguments made in defense of this law resting on "information".

The ultrasound law is bad law interposing the government between a patient and doctor and determinations of what is and isn't necessary and throws over every traditional legal concept of informed consent.


But

Posted by: SarahW at February 20, 2012 12:21 PM (LYwCh)

287 here = her.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:22 PM (8y9MW)

288 So, what is the actual divorce rate then? Seriously, if the 50% figure is inaccurate, what is the rate?
Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 12:16 PM (v+QvA)
The stats vary wildly. Frankly I blame the 50% stat on a very lazy attempt to try to summarize whatever data they have at the time.

It also varies wildly with age, region, and if the marriage is intermarriage or not.

Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 12:22 PM (JEVge)

289 "transvaginal"?

Multiple vaginas?

Posted by: Fellow Socialist at February 20, 2012 12:23 PM (OhYCU)

290 I am a widower. Lost my wife some months ago. Married 35 years. I might like to get married again, but most of the women available are already divorced at least once. That fact makes me hesitant. That and the fact that I don't see how I could have a similar relationship to a wife at my age that I did when I married that lovely, lovely girl of 20.


Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 12:10 PM (OlN4e)


Sorry for your loss. Be careful out there.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 12:24 PM (4q5tP)

291 The best tweet I've seen to date on this contraception mandate bullshit via Kurt Schlicter--

"Hands off my uterus, so you can reach in your pocket for your wallet to pay for me to utilize it

Posted by: laceyunderalls at February 20, 2012 12:25 PM (7IadG)

292 Completely OT: Why is it so freaking cold in my office building? I actually sort of get it in Summer- the AC is full blast then: but I think it's actually colder inside my building than outside, and the outside is still Failing (that is: less than 70).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:27 PM (8y9MW)

293 283 Prayers out to Vic and Mrs Vic. Thats rough.
Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 12:20 PM (JEVge)
*
Oh Man...He has alot on his plate. Hope he doesn't forget to take careof himself as well.
*
Thoughts and prayersare with him.

Posted by: dananjcon at February 20, 2012 12:28 PM (8ieXv)

294 [iSo if the 50% divorce rate is incorrect, what is the
actual divorce rate? The comparative rates of divorce and marriage are
roughly 50% a year, according to CDC numbers (6.8 per thousand for
marriage, 3.4 per thousand for divorce). It does not necessarily mean
that half the marriages in that year end in divorce. Perhaps it would be
more accurate to say that the divorce rate is roughly 50% of the
marriage rate?

Posted by: Insomniac

No, it wouldn't (aren't you the least bit skeptical of a number like 50%?)

"Michael Medved explains the statistics in his book "Hollywood vs. America" (1993 paperback edition, pp. 132-135 - "The Myth of the Fifty-Percent Divorce Rate"). Herein, Michael cites several studies that dispell this myth, including the 1987 Louis Harris book "Inside America" in which Mr. Harris cited figures that "only 10% of ever-married men and 13% of ever-married women had ever been divorced." Mr. Harris concluded that "This in turn means that almost 90 percent of all marriages survive.""
http://tinyurl.com/6q6n5ec

That number has only grown since 1981, the height of the number of divorces.

Stop repeating bullshit!

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2012 12:28 PM (9Hw3U)

295 The best tweet I've seen to date on this contraception mandate bullshit via Kurt Schlicter--

Actually, I think that's RE: the VA ultrasound law. Not the contraception thing.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:28 PM (8y9MW)

296
Thanks, Y-Not and Tami. With the grocery discount in Denver, I've gotten gas as cheap as $2.20 recently. 3.99 in Conneticutt, yikes.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:30 PM (Usk3+)

297 262 Come on Grey Fox I didnt say fuck them. I said fuck WITH them.
Posted by: polynikes - Texan for Romney at February 20, 2012 12:05 PM (c9cG5)


From a grammatical point of view, the only difference I see is that the addition of "with" implies the active particicpation of the butterflies, whereas without it the sentencecould mean either consensual or nonconsensual activity.

Sometime I just have to point out just how illogical the colloquial usage of that verb is.

Posted by: Grey Fox at February 20, 2012 12:31 PM (UUV+X)

298 Concerning divorce rates....when we organized our 20th high school reunion in 1986, we found that nearly 75% of our class (525 members) were divorced at least once. Some were on their third marriage! By the time our 40th rolled around, many of THOSE marriages had failed. Too easy to end marriage today.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at February 20, 2012 12:31 PM (MbeR6)

299 Catching up with the horde after my f-i-l's memorial this weekend.

Poor Vic. I'll be praying for him and Mrs. Vic.



Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:31 PM (UOM48)

300 My dear wife, Miss August, is part Choctaw, has her own guns, and can do minor surgery in a pinch. If the Zombie Apocalypse comes, I'm all set. While we are waiting, we try to keep each other happy.

And my Mother-In-Law knits little booties for my guns.

I have forgotten how to complain. :8

Posted by: SurferDoc at February 20, 2012 12:31 PM (6H6FZ)

301
It was 3.099 last Saturday in suburban Klumbus (Ohio) at about 10:30 am, and I gassed up at the Shell by the freeway, because I saw the prices starting to change. By about noon, it had swung up to 3.479 to 3.499 per gallon at most stations.

Late yesterday afternoon, I saw a couple stations that had dropped back to 3.379/gallon.

Fear. And jittery nerves. Anybody that thinks we are on the cusp of prosperity is smokin' dope.

Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at February 20, 2012 12:33 PM (RFeQD)

302 <<Concerning divorce rates....when we organized our 20th high school
reunion in 1986, we found that nearly 75% of our class (525 members)
were divorced at least once.>>

That's because only the divorced ones showed up to the reunion looking for dates.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 20, 2012 12:33 PM (tf9Ne)

303
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:27 PM (8y9MW)

Do you have a zone heat system? That means a thermostat in every office. Large buildings can't adjust temps quickly, especially if they have zone heat systems. When temps vary quickly outside, the building can't catch up for many hours sometimes.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:33 PM (Usk3+)

304 Actual headline via happyplace:

Santorum blasts Obama during Cumming rally

Posted by: Jimmah at February 20, 2012 12:33 PM (845uI)

305 That's because only the divorced ones showed up to the reunion looking for dates.
Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 20, 2012 12:33 PM (tf9Ne)

Hah! The seamy side of selection bias!

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 12:34 PM (v+QvA)

306 Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 12:10 PM (OlN4e) Sorry for your loss. Be careful out there.
Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 12:24 PM (4q5tP)
*
I just married my woman after ten years of sinful living (the best kind). Can't imagine life w/o her. She struggles with Diabetesand I know the odds are that I will outlive her. The thought saddens me everyday.

Posted by: dananjcon at February 20, 2012 12:34 PM (8ieXv)

307 More on the divorce rate:
"This piece accurately reported the following: “America’s divorce rate began climbing in the late 1960’s and skyrocketed during the 70’s and early ‘80’s, as virtually every state adopted no-fault divorce laws. The rate peaked at 5.3 divorces per 1,000 people in 1981. But since then it’s dropped by one-third, to 3.6. That’s the lowest rate since 1970.”

Of course these numbers reflect only those people who get divorced in a given year, and say nothing about the number of marriages that ultimately end up shattered. Nor can you extrapolate from these figures reliably into the future. The fact that 3.6 out of a thousand people get divorced in a single year doesn’t mean that 36 people out of a thousand will have gotten divorced after ten years.

The only way to measure the over-all divorce rate – the percentage of all first marriages that end in divorce --is to consider the readily available numbers from the U.S. Census Bureau. According to the most recent figures (from 2001, after the last completed national census), some 166,932,000 Americans have ever been married – or 76% of all those 15 and older."

http://tinyurl.com/7sqhh7m

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2012 12:35 PM (9Hw3U)

308
Maddogg, so sorry for your loss.

My dad died too young at 76 eighteen years ago, and my mother nearly died from grief (well, grief plus major heart surgery a few months later).

She moved back to the small town where she grew up to be near her sister. An elderly widower was attending her church, and asked her to dinner. She refused for a couple of years, and finally agreed to go out.

They didn't marry, but lived near each other and spent the last years of Mother's life spending time together. He's alone and in his 90s now, and I'll forever love him for giving my mother a reason to live until she went to be with her sweetheart. I feel so sorry that he's alone once again.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:35 PM (UOM48)

309 OK, so I've basically caught up with the comments.

I don't know the secret to marriages in general, but in our case I think it was partly that we were really selective about even whom we dated. We didn't see our youths as a time to just run around partying and fooling around. And we were friends first, so I think we kind of knew already we matched in intellect, interests, and core values. That was good because we had a very short courtship - dated one month and got engaged, then married 10 months later.

We've also tried to be considerate of each other every day, even on little things. We are gentle with each other. So many people I know (especially in my family) treat each other with so little regard. I think that wears away at a relationship.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:35 PM (5H6zj)

310 I think Mr. O’Spades is being insensitive to my need to be constantly entertained.

Would someone please wake the prick up?

Posted by: jwest at February 20, 2012 12:35 PM (FdndL)

311 Do you have a zone heat system?

Possible, but I don't know. I'm in a cube-farm. I don't see thermostats all over the place, so I kind of doubt it.

I'm mostly just complaining. If I had my way, the temperature would range from 80 - 100+ every day. Falling no farther than the mid-to-high 60's at night.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:36 PM (8y9MW)

312 301
It was 3.099 last Saturday in suburban Klumbus (Ohio) at about 10:30 am, and I gassed up at the Shell by the freeway, because I saw the prices starting to change. By about noon, it had swung up to 3.479 to 3.499 per gallon at most stations.

Late yesterday afternoon, I saw a couple stations that had dropped back to 3.379/gallon.

Fear. And jittery nerves. Anybody that thinks we are on the cusp of prosperity is smokin' dope.Posted by: Reader C.J. Burch writes...... at February 20, 2012 12:33 PM (RFeQD).Thanks. Denver,Colorado still cheapest at 2.92 with no special discounts. anybody got that beat?

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:36 PM (Usk3+)

313 That's because only the divorced ones showed up to the reunion looking for dates.
Uhh, no....the questionnaires sent out by us (the reunion committee) actually asked that question. The profiles, published in the reunion booklet, reflected that. Could be our part of the country, but I know very few couples who have been married to the same person all their life. No fault divorce makes it very easy.

Posted by: thatcrazyjerseyguy at February 20, 2012 12:38 PM (MbeR6)

314 Infatuation is about how they make you feel. Love is about how you make them feel.

Posted by: toby928© trys to drop a bon mot at February 20, 2012 12:38 PM (GTbGH)

315 So, no Ace today? I thought he was cutting back on the hard booze.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:39 PM (8y9MW)

316
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:36 PM (8y9MW)

Ah yes, Dilbertville. I've seen them. Large open rooms, another problem for heat systems. Maybe Jimmy Carter has an extra sweater he can send over. I think Santorum is using all of his.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:39 PM (Usk3+)

317 314 Infatuation is about how they make you feel. Love is about how you make them feel.
Posted by: toby928© trys to drop a bon mot at February 20, 2012 12:38 PM (GTbGH)
I thought that was codependency? :p

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 12:40 PM (v+QvA)

318 gas is $3.35 here in NW MO
it was just $3.09 in the middle of Jan
it is teh suq

Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 12:40 PM (7FadD)

319 309 Kindness and Consideration have magic in them and they are free.

Posted by: SurferDoc at February 20, 2012 12:40 PM (6H6FZ)

320 315 So, no Ace today? I thought he was cutting back on the hard booze.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:39 PM (8y9MW)

I'm sure he was on some Endorian debauch or other.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 12:40 PM (v+QvA)

321 I think I've seen 33% as the chance that a given person (U.S.) who has been married has been divorced at some point in their life. I'll see if I can find the study.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:41 PM (5H6zj)

322 Maybe Jimmy Carter has an extra sweater he can send over. I think Santorum is using all of his.

Ugg. No cardigans or sweater-vests. The main problem is my hands. I'm actually in a long sleeve shirt, but it's hard to type wearing gloves. Even those cool clerks gloves that have the fingers cut out.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:41 PM (8y9MW)

323 Secret to Marriage?
Avoid it.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2012 12:42 PM (1ZmOy)

324
Saw a hobo on I-75 south of ATL yesterday. He had a poor, starving-looking dog on a leash.

And if I don't see the inside of I-285 for a long, long time I'll be extremely happy.

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:43 PM (UOM48)

325 2008 study from Barna Group:

Most Americans get married at some point in their life: just one out of five adults (22%) has never been married. Among those who have said their wedding vows, one out of three have been divorced at least once, according to a new study from The Barna Group.

http://tinyurl.com/ozd7nf

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:43 PM (5H6zj)

326 Secret to Marriage?

Avoid it.


Bah. Just shows you're still too self-centered for marriage. If you're more concerned about you than you are about her, your marriage probably won't last.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:43 PM (8y9MW)

327 Thanks all for your kind words. There is a line from The Shawshank Redemption" that rings with me: Time to get busy livin' or get busy dyin'." Since my kids object to the latter, I hope to embrace the former.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 12:43 PM (OlN4e)

328 Alex - I think that you and I are probably in agreement - but let me just enphasize my point which is that "Red State" chicks tend to comefrom very paternalistic households, with strong [the feminazis would say "authoritarian"] Daddies, who:

A) Teach their daughters the difference between right and wrong [and, in particular, make it very clear to theirdaughtersthat they will NOT GROW UP TO BE BAR WHORES], and

B) Spend a great deal of time training their daughters torecognize [and avoid] the pump-n-dump wolves and the psychological "games" that those wolves like toplay with their prey.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 12:44 PM (Bjf6P)

329 I'm sure he was on some Endorian debauch or other.

That's a big garbage pile!

Posted by: EC at February 20, 2012 12:44 PM (GQ8sn)

330 Registering to vote and actually voting are two distinctly different things. Not that I expect bagger types to acknowledge the difference. Obama is ebul!
In order for OBL to vote, he would need to be on the voter roles, which he isnt.
Go ahead and setup this strawman. Youll need it come November when we get 4 more years.
And for the economiists here, gas prices are increasing because the US and to an extent the global economies are improving. Remember when the gas prices bottomed out? yep, that was at the hieght of the recession. Unfortunately, deregulated markets give us oil speculators who run up the price of the commodity for no reason other than a quick buck. But free markets rule!
Prepared to hear the liberal media, riiiight, fear monger about rising gas prices and other imaginary thing that will stall the economic recoverey. Its expected. Media is corporate. Corporate interests do not mirror individual interests.

Posted by: Obama2012 at February 20, 2012 12:44 PM (y78gQ)

331 Ugg. No cardigans or sweater-vests. The main problem is my hands.
----
Can you have a little space heater? Not the big tall scary-looking ones but the little non-descript ones with a fan.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:45 PM (5H6zj)

332
An Obamabot commenter at the Daily Mail re Moochelle's latest ski vacation:


BACK OFF YOU LAMEBRAINS. THE OBAMAS PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS FOR 99%
OF THE EXPENSES AND DESERVE A FAMILY LIFE. ITS WINTER SCHOOL VACATION
HERE. HE IS A GREAT BEST SELLING AUTHOR WHO MADE PLENTY OF MONEY TO
AFFORD THEIR LIFESTYLE. YOU ARE BRAINWASHED BY THE REPUBS. MICHELLE JUST
FINISHED A LONG HARD TOUR FOR HEALTHY LIFESTYLES FOR OUR OBESE KIDS AND
DESERVES A BREAK WITH HER...HEALTHY ATHLETIC DAUGHTERS.

*sigh*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:46 PM (UOM48)

333 one out of three have been divorced at least once

Yeah, and I think that's where the statistics get so messy: "divorced at least once."

However you slice it, though, the divorce rate shot up after no-fault divorce was adopted (virtually universally), and with the various changes in civil jurisprudence, the man in the relationship will be the loser, more times than not, in a divorce.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:46 PM (8y9MW)

334 Bah. Just shows you're still too self-centered for marriage.

Bullshit. There's nothing more universal than man's reaction to the statement, 'We're getting married.'
To a man, the response will be - 'Don't do it.'.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2012 12:46 PM (1ZmOy)

335 Posted by: SarahW at February 20, 2012 12:21 PM (LYwCh)

So what is the infection rate from the TV ultrasonargram (ping!) procedure?

Its a vector for infection, from common pathogens to viral and resistant bacterial STDs.

How much of that potential cross infection has actually happened? I would think the local nail salon would have a higher risk profile.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 12:47 PM (4q5tP)

336 I don't know the secret to marriages in general, but in our case I think it was partly that we were really selective about even whom we dated. We didn't see our youths as a time to just run around partying and fooling around.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:35 PM (5H6zj)

On the other end of the scale, I fucked everything that moved throughout my youth. Met a girl on a blind date, married a year later and we celebrated our 32nd anniversary on Valentine’s Day.

I ask my wife if she weeps for other women or if she feels guilty about having all the luck.

So the key to a long marriage is… modesty.

Posted by: jwest at February 20, 2012 12:47 PM (FdndL)

337 Also - Maddogg:

20 + 35 puts you maybe in your late fifties?

If you've kept yourself in shape in shape [weightlifting really helps here], and if you've got a positive, upbeat attitude, then there's no reason you couldn't snag a chick in her late 30s and start a second family with her.

Seriously.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 12:48 PM (Bjf6P)

338 garrett just hasn't found the right BEAR to marry yet, that's all.


I keed, I keed!

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:48 PM (5H6zj)

339 "... doling out generous subsidies—totaling more than $130 billion, according to research from Germany’s Ruhr University—to citizens to invest in solar energy ... solar power accounts for only about 0.3 percent of Germany’s total energy"

And yet, Germany still is talking about taking down their nuclear power using wind instead.

Posted by: Thomas Edison at February 20, 2012 12:49 PM (e8kgV)

340 And for the economiists here, gas prices are increasing because the US and to an extent the global economies are improving.

Not true. Demand for gas is falling, not rising.

http://tinyurl.com/7yz5p4x

Try a different talking point next time.

Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 12:50 PM (7FadD)

341 I keed, I keed!
Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:48 PM (5H6zj)

No more recipes for you!
Made the marriage mistake once. I'll never make it again.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2012 12:50 PM (1ZmOy)

342 <<upbeat attitude, then there's no reason you couldn't snag a chick in her late 30s and start a second family with her.>>

Being a single guy at 49 yrs old. The thought of having children that are younger than my grand children creeps me out a little.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 20, 2012 12:51 PM (tf9Ne)

343 Too many women in their 50s are just looking for a meal ticket. OK, too many women of all ages are just looking for a meal ticket. If you get serious, talk about money and a pre-nuptual agreement.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 12:52 PM (O3R/2)

344 >>So the key to a long marriage is… modesty.

:-)

I guess I've seen folks who seem to have decided it's "time to settle down" as opposed to finding the right person with whom it is right to settle down. Those marriages don't seem to do well.

What's weird in our case was that we had not discussed marriage or anything and neither of us was thinking about that sort of thing. (I was planning on going on to grad school, for one thing.) But one day while I was studying P-chem and he was watching (iirc Wild Kingdom) I just turned to him and said "How'd you like to get married?" And he said "Sure!"

The way he tells the story I asked him just as the cheetah was bringing down a gazelle by the throat! heh

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:52 PM (5H6zj)

345 337Also - Maddogg:

20 + 35 puts you maybe in your late fifties?

If you've kept yourself in shape in shape [weightlifting really helps here], and if you've got a positive, upbeat attitude, then there's no reason you couldn't snag a chick in her late 30s and start a second family with her.

Seriously.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 12:48 PM (Bjf6P) Heh. 58 years of age, weightlifter,lean, have all my hair, almost none is grey, got my teeth. My barber who is a women in her 30's told me I was hot. No family, late wife had me fixed. Not really interested in women under 45.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 12:53 PM (OlN4e)

346 However you slice it, though, the divorce rate shot up after no-fault divorce was adopted (virtually universally), and with the various changes in civil jurisprudence, the man in the relationship will be the loser, more times than not, in a divorce.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:46 PM (8y9MW)

I believe, based on no facts whatsoever but my feelings which makes my belief the irrefutable de facto truth, that in cases of divorce with children, if men automatically got 50% custody, and got 100% custody in equal proportions to women, that the divorce rate would plummet.

If women were not assured of control of the children post divorce, they would not so casually seek divorce.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 12:53 PM (4q5tP)

347 Being a single guy at 49 yrs old. The thought of having children that are younger than my grand children creeps me out a little.

Let me assure you: it creeps your children out, too.

But that's just one reason not to do so, and shouldn't dissuade you if it's the only one.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:54 PM (8y9MW)

348 Made the marriage mistake once. I'll never make it again.

Sometimes someone says that and I have to roll my eyes. My ex-husband (good to be a statistic too) "never getting married again" has now knocked up his girlfriend and they are getting married. Was a whoops baby... uhhh.. I think. I pray for them that the marriage lasts, especially with a baby on the way. Just never know what surprises life is going to throw at you.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at February 20, 2012 12:54 PM (bj+Nc)

349 Aspirational goal: Be as tough as Vic. Prayers, thoughts, etc.to you.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 20, 2012 12:55 PM (qwK3S)

350 >>No more recipes for you!

Now I've done it. :-( Damn!

BTW, checked with man and the grouse we have is wild Scottish grouse. I'll soak it as you recommend.

"Our Wild Scottish Young Grouse sport a characteristically lean, full-flavored meat thanks to the fact that they grow truly wild in the Highlands of Northern Scotland where they feed on a diet of heather, tundra and grasses."

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:55 PM (5H6zj)

351 If women were not assured of control of the children post divorce, they would not so casually seek divorce.

I think it's some combination of that and the money. As Mark Chestnut so ably said, "I got the Jeep; she got the palace."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:55 PM (8y9MW)

352 What do you like to do, maddogg?
----

If it were me, I would start taking classes or guided tours or things of that nature, so I would have a higher chance of finding a person who shared my interests.

My plan if something happens to Mr. Y-not is to hang around Cabela's and book stores.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:57 PM (5H6zj)

353 318gas is $3.35 here in NW MO
it was just $3.09 in the middle of Jan
it is teh suq
Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 12:40 PM (7FadD) .Thanks, chemjeff! Interesting how much gas prices flucuate around the country. Still haven't heard from CA, and Iknow they got a lot of boutique blends out there.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:57 PM (Usk3+)

354 The only way I would marry a woman these days is when she says that unless I marry her, her father wouldn't respect her anymore.

Many levels on that one.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 12:58 PM (O3R/2)

355
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 12:41 PM (8y9MW)

Yes, I'd go with the tiny space heater sitting on the desk andblowing on the hands.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:58 PM (Usk3+)

356 >>343 Too many women in their 50s are just looking for a meal ticket.

Yeah, I saw that with my dad who was a young 60 when my mom died.

I'm not keen on the woman he married.

Oh well!

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:59 PM (5H6zj)

357 Secret to Marriage? Avoid it.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2012 12:42 PM (1ZmOy)

-------------------------------

Agree. It's not worth the hassle or the heartache. Companionable females (even long distance relationships)are a plus, even when there's no sex involved. They're nice to travel with.

Posted by: Soona at February 20, 2012 12:59 PM (Mcvub)

358 I just turned to him and said "How'd you like to get married?" And he said "Sure!" The way he tells the story I asked him just as the cheetah was bringing down a gazelle by the throat! heh

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:52 PM (5H6zj)

That’s odd. My wife said just about the same thing to me while we were out having dinner with a couple who were just engaged.

Maybe that’s the secret. Wait for the girl to propose.

Posted by: jwest at February 20, 2012 12:59 PM (FdndL)

359 what I've gotten from this conversation, Women are evil money grubbers that pop out kids so she can screw you.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 12:59 PM (TomZ9)

360 My wife claims she knew we would be married after the first shift we worked together. When she started I was already dating a different employee, and I've never asked her to justify that contravention of the "gal code". Is there even a "gal code"?

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 20, 2012 01:00 PM (hiMsy)

361 Try a different talking point next time.
Posted by: chemjeff at February 20, 2012 12:50 PM (7FadD) Saudis just cut production too.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 01:00 PM (Usk3+)

362 343 Jimbo wrote, Too many women in their 50s are just looking for a meal ticket. OK, too many women of all ages are just looking for a meal ticket. If you get serious, talk about money and a pre-nuptual agreement.

Pre-nuptial agreements are worthless. They only exist as a revenue stream for lawyers. Ask Steven Spielberg and John Cleese.

Posted by: Looking Glass at February 20, 2012 01:00 PM (nbj44)

363 what I've gotten from this conversation, Women are evil money grubbers that pop out kids so she can screw you.

I think you may have missed a few comments. But that does seem to be part of the theme, yes.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:01 PM (8y9MW)

364 "late wife had me fixed"

Then get un-fixed.

There are all sorts of urologists and fertility specialists who specialize in that sort of thing nowadaysand who have some [frankly almost miraculously] awesome technology toemploy.

Seriously dude - get out there and spread that Maddogg seed far and wide - see how many baby Maddoggs you can sprout before you get called home once and for all.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 01:01 PM (Bjf6P)

365 >>then there's no reason you couldn't snag a chick in her late 30s and start a second family with her.

Other than "late 30s" is about ten years too late for women to start thinking about starting their family.



A propos of absolutely nothing:
http://is.gd/sqYHHM

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:01 PM (ZKzrr)

366 willow, yes I think you have learned the lesson.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:01 PM (O3R/2)

367 OK, it's 1pm EST. Someone put up the Ewoksignal.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2012 01:02 PM (SY2Kh)

368 Interesting how much gas prices flucuate around the country. Still haven't heard from CA, and Iknow they got a lot of boutique blends out there.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 12:57 PM (Usk3+)

3.85 for Regular in the Central Valley... 4.09 for Premium...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 20, 2012 01:02 PM (lZBBB)

369 sigh. alrighty then.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:03 PM (TomZ9)

370 Spielberg divorces Kate Capshaw?

Ok, hide the money before getting married.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:03 PM (O3R/2)

371 Maybe that’s the secret. Wait for the girl to propose.
-----
Perhaps! It would be interesting to see stats on that.


Biggest advice on second marriages: meet the family (particularly if there are children) before you get too serious. People will not change with respect to their family dynamics later in life in my experience.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 01:03 PM (5H6zj)

372 what I've gotten from this conversation, Women are evil money grubbers that pop out kids so she can stopscrewing you.

Posted by: fixed at February 20, 2012 01:03 PM (1ZmOy)

373 bah.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:04 PM (TomZ9)

374
I have arrived for my 1st comment of the day which always means a new thread is imminent. do not despair.

Also I need a job that gives me 16 super expensive vacations in 3 years, all paid for by taxpayers.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 20, 2012 01:04 PM (r+9M6)

375 Not really interested in women under 45.
Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 12:53 PM (OlN4e)
*
Yeah...me neither

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 20, 2012 01:04 PM (8ieXv)

376 willow,

fwiw, I don't think it's all on the women. I think people in general (both sexes) seem to really use each other. The guys here have one perspective and I'm sure it's a bit skewed. There are two sides to any story.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 01:04 PM (5H6zj)

377 343 Too many women in their 50s are just looking for a meal ticket. OK, too many women of all ages are just looking for a meal ticket. If you get serious, talk about money and a pre-nuptual agreement.
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Nah. I think women in their 50's are looking for the same thing women in their 20's, 30's, 40's and 60's are looking for.

They are looking for love and companionship.

Are there a minority of women looking for a sugar daddy? Sure. But I think they represent a tiny percentage.

Posted by: basket case nation at February 20, 2012 01:05 PM (saueq)

378 willow, it's better to meet a woman at church than in a bar. Don't lose hope. Just make sure you are fishing at the right spot.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:05 PM (O3R/2)

379 >>what I've gotten from this conversation, Women are evil money grubbers that pop out kids so she can screw you.

And women who don't need your money because they make their own...no man wants to go there, unless he's looking for a mommy to pay his bills (I would have liked to have a child; I didn't want to marry one. This makes me "selfish" or "picky" or "bitchy." Ho-hum.).

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:05 PM (ZKzrr)

380 375 Not really interested in women under 45. Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 12:53 PM (OlN4e) * Yeah...me neither. Fifteen is a nice round number.

Posted by: Roman Polanski at February 20, 2012 01:05 PM (8ieXv)

381 Been married 28 years. Second marriage. It's a matter of proper picking and lots of luck. There are incredible numbers of 50-60 year-old divorcees andwidows out there hunting for a decent man. They gripe to me that decent men are very hard to find. I have to beat them off with a virtual baseball bat, they're desperate.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 01:06 PM (Usk3+)

382 "Other than "late 30s" is about ten years too late for women to start thinking about starting their family."

Hey, you must have missed my question upthread:

1972 + 16 = 1988 1977+ 16 = 1993

???

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 01:06 PM (Bjf6P)

383 The Daily Mail comment section?

Dear Lord...did the pro-ski vacation "comments" come straight from a WH keyboard?

Anyone for a carpool to the liquor store? I suddenly need 3 beers.

Posted by: BP in NJ at February 20, 2012 01:06 PM (j84s0)

384 For women looking for a good man: move to Texas. That's what my wife and sister-in-law (both Michiganders, actually) did.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:07 PM (8y9MW)

385 280 O/T check out the dork Christina Hendricks is married to.

What is this doing in the Doom thread? This isn't Doom at all, but a beacon of light and hope. Because it means there's a chance for me.

Sure, you can point out that I have been married long enough to havemade it through some of the "metallurgical anniversaries." But, today, in our cultural wisdom, the definition of marriage is malleable. There isa good chance that in response to the Pakastani presence, Great Britain will give the green light to polygamy. Mrs. B, Chritina Hendricks and maybe a couple of other divorced chicks; this could be a great thing. Surf City baby!

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 20, 2012 01:07 PM (qwK3S)

386 I'm interested to see what Masturbatin' Pete's perspective is on marriage.
Must be cautious as I think Mrs Meanie peruses the site from time to time.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 20, 2012 01:07 PM (Ec6wH)

387
Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 12:57 PM (5H6zj)
I like to do many things. I have a small farm up in the Ozarks I like to plow up into wildlife plots every year. I hunt, fish, boat, I am an amateur machinist and have built firearms from scratch. Not toys, high power rifles I take deer with. I like Cabelas too. I like to camp, go to movies. I went to see the Blue man Group last week. I have been to Alaska to fish. Would love to safari. I like road trips.
Easier to list what I don't like. I don't like to shop, hate laying on the beach, can't stand Lifetime television. Don't much like to fly, but that is mostly what the TSA has done more than anything else. They always, always single me out for special searching. I suppose I'm the politically correct white male. The Israelis didn't seem to think I was threatening, they send trainees to interview me.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 01:08 PM (OlN4e)

388 1972 + 16 = 1988
1977+ 16 = 1993
???

F-ing carriage return / line break insanity.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 01:08 PM (Bjf6P)

389 That "dork" Christina Hendricks married is one lucky guy. Maybe she laughs at his stupid jokes?

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:08 PM (O3R/2)

390 I'm real easy to please. I only want one thing in a wife.

My dick!

Posted by: Dice Clay at February 20, 2012 01:08 PM (j84s0)

391 366 willow, yes I think you have learned the lesson.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:01 PM (O3R/2)

Not evil, but defiantly different from Men... but society has decided that we are all supposed to be the same... and have thus feminized Men to the point where they are no longer supposed to Feel, the way Nature and God made him to feel.

Look at the MGTOW (Men Going Their Own Way) sites starting to spring up...

Add in that, at 52 I've already raised my kids... and can get companionship WITHOUT the Legal Entanglments of Marriage?

Marriage proponents (anti Gay Marriage folks) are always talking about how Marriage is there to help raise the kids... to give Legal structure to the family unit... soooo.... what happens when Kids are no longer in the equation?

Then it becomes about companionship... which is what the Gays argue is the reason for marriage...

Posted by: Romeo13 at February 20, 2012 01:08 PM (lZBBB)

392 Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 20, 2012 01:07 PM (qwK3S)

You do know that the Chinese symbol for 'discord' is (when broken down) two women in one house, yes?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:09 PM (8y9MW)

393 Biggest advice on second marriages: meet the family (particularly if there are children) before you get too serious. People will not change with respect to their family dynamics later in life in my experience.
Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 01:03 PM (5H6zj)

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For men dating pretty young women, my advice is this. Insist on meeting her mother and see what she looks like. It's a good gauge on what your young lovely will look like on down the road.

Incidental to this advice, I once dated a very pretty girl and when I met her mother I wanted to dump her and start dating her mother. That woman was haawwt.

Posted by: Soona at February 20, 2012 01:10 PM (Mcvub)

394 Y-Not yes it was pretty one sided, and yes both partners have a story to tell, however I was a little bummed by the gebneral attitude. that's on me.

Heather i hear you. There is peace of mind that no matter what You have control over your life.



Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:10 PM (TomZ9)

395 >>1972 + 16 = 1988

>>1977+ 16 = 1993

>>???


Yes.

Given that I was born after 1972, I assume the man God intended to love me was "choiced" out of my life by his mother.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:10 PM (ZKzrr)

396 -b

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:10 PM (TomZ9)

397 3.85 for Regular in the Central Valley... 4.09 for Premium...Posted by: Romeo13 at February 20, 2012 01:02 PM (lZBBB) .Thanks, Romeo! And sorry it's that high. I'd think the CV has lower prices than Sodom and Gomorahh, etc. along the coast.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 01:10 PM (Usk3+)

398 >>>>We abandon them at our peril.


-AllenG


I'm way, way late to this thread but one thing: People will only abandon traditional social mores if they have an alternative. In a Statist society government dependency is the alternative.

Absent an oppressive/repressive State there is competition between moral codes but since the consequences for say, having a child at 17 without a father around would be the same, moral codes that say this is wrong have more gravity.

If SoCons want to return to an environment where the consequences of "immoral" behavior resemble the precepts they too have to focus on dismantling the State.

If you think back to whatever time you believe was more moral and just in the US, it wasn't so because the government forced people to be moral and just. It was because the State was not so powerful that it crowded out institutions concerned with morality.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 20, 2012 01:11 PM (N/1Dm)

399 DESERVES A BREAK WITH HER...HEALTHY ATHLETIC DAUGHTERS.

*sigh*



Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:46 PM (UOM4


Didn't Aunt Ester make some comment that her daughters are overweight?

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2012 01:11 PM (1Jaio)

400 For all that I slam on marriage, I actually liked being married. There's a reason that I prefer partner to boyfriend/girlfriend/lover whatever. That's because that's what it's supposed to be, a partnership. I liked knowing that there was someone who would be supportive of me and who would be on my side and for whom I was expected to do the same. Of course, I ultimately ended up not liking that the Bastard Ex decided he preferred booze to me. /martyr

I don't think there's a problem with "settling". I view it more as deciding what is actually important to you and getting rid of the rest. I would rather have someone intelligent and who is good to me but who may not be the hottest person around to someone who is blazingly hot but a jackass. At least on a permanent basis.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 01:12 PM (VtjlW)

401 If you think back to whatever time you believe was more moral and just
in the US, it wasn't so because the government forced people to be moral
and just. It was because the State was not so powerful that it crowded
out institutions concerned with morality.


I actually agree with you. However, any attempt to return to that paradigm will be labelled "theocracy" or (at best) interference.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:13 PM (8y9MW)

402 I've got an aunt who has been divorced five times and is working on number six. That'll screw up the stats just a little.

Posted by: NC Ref at February 20, 2012 01:13 PM (/izg2)

403 BACK OFF YOU LAMEBRAINS. THE OBAMAS PAY OUT OF THEIR OWN POCKETS FOR 99%

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Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:46 PM (UOM4 It helps to useCAPITALS when you aremaking shit up.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 01:13 PM (Usk3+)

404 I would rather have someone intelligent and who is
good to me but who may not be the hottest person around to someone who
is blazingly hot but a jackass. At least on a permanent basis.



Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 01:12 PM (VtjlW)

amen
and yes Fk Cancer.
and Vic prayers for Your loved One.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:14 PM (TomZ9)

405 If a young woman tells you that she doesn't get along with her parents, RUN!!!!

Either the parents are OK and she is a rebel, or the parents are screwed up and she is already damaged beyond your ability to repair.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:14 PM (O3R/2)

406 It helps to useCAPITALS when you aremaking shit up.

I bet whoever wrote that likes sparkly vampires.

Just sayin'.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:14 PM (8y9MW)

407 Is it OK for me to relieve myself over in the corner?

Posted by: fluffy at February 20, 2012 01:15 PM (vRSeu)

408 Either the parents are OK and she is a rebel, or the parents are screwed
up and she is already damaged beyond your ability to repair.


And either way- once you're involved with (let alone married to) her, you're involved with them.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:15 PM (8y9MW)

409 Is it OK for me to relieve myself over in the corner?

No. There's no smell of cat piss to cover it up. Go into the ONT.
That said, the thread is getting a little stale.

Maybe if we start singing The Song That Never Ends, one of the cob-loggers will post something.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:16 PM (8y9MW)

410 <<she is already damaged beyond your ability to repair.>>

Anyone that marries a fixerupper is doomed to failure.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at February 20, 2012 01:16 PM (tf9Ne)

411 For men dating pretty young women, my advice is
this. Insist on meeting her mother and see what she looks like. It's a
good gauge on what your young lovely will look like on down the road.



Incidental to this advice, I once dated a very pretty girl and when I
met her mother I wanted to dump her and start dating her mother. That
woman was haawwt.

Posted by: Soona at February 20, 2012 01:10 PM (Mcvub)


Or marry a girl much younger than you.

Posted by: TheQuietMan at February 20, 2012 01:17 PM (1Jaio)

412 Maybe if we start singing The Song That Never Ends


You know, some people started singing it, not knowing what it was...

Posted by: fluffy at February 20, 2012 01:19 PM (vRSeu)

413 Never make a pretty woman your wife.

Posted by: Kid Creole at February 20, 2012 01:19 PM (1ZmOy)

414 HR - Unless there is something really tragic going on [involving e.g. cysts or fibroids or endometriosis or ovarian cancer], then there's absolutely no reason you shouldn't be able tohave children.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 01:19 PM (Bjf6P)

415 For men dating pretty young women, my advice is this. Insist on meeting her mother and see what she looks like.

I believe this was once summed up in a song. The line, as I recall, is "If you get married, make sure you're the ugly one."

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:19 PM (8y9MW)

416 All this talk about marriages, failed marriages, divorces, etc. Meh.

I'm actually looking forward to getting married in September. Then again, I've been living with the lady for seven years. We might as well be married anyway.

Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 01:19 PM (JEVge)

417 392 Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 20, 2012 01:07 PM (qwK3S)You do know that the Chinese symbol for 'discord' is (when broken down) two women in one house, yes?
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:09 PM (8y9MW)

I can afford to have each in separate living quarters.

Posted by: The Poster Formerly Known as Mr. Barky at February 20, 2012 01:20 PM (qwK3S)

418 You know, some people started singing it, not knowing what it was...

And they'll be singing it forever, and ever just because...

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:20 PM (8y9MW)

419 Was gasoline at $4.99 being shown on FOX today mentionedin the DOOM?

Posted by: 2012 - Change reloaded on your ass at February 20, 2012 01:20 PM (845uI)

420 If you think back to whatever time you believe was more moral and just in the US, it wasn't so because the government forced people to be moral and just. It was because the State was not so powerful that it crowded out institutions concerned with morality.
Posted by: runninrebel at February 20, 2012 01:11 PM (N/1Dm)

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This. Socialism in the US has damaged the American psyche more than many people want to think about. Also, a large, fast growing segment of out society don't have any idea what morality actually is.

Posted by: Soona at February 20, 2012 01:20 PM (Mcvub)

421 This song that doesn't end, just goes on and on my friend.

Posted by: Insomniac at February 20, 2012 01:20 PM (DrWcr)

422 <<she is already damaged beyond your ability to repair.>>

Anyone that marries a fixerupper is doomed to failure.

Ain't ya'll just a ray of sunshine. I thought you were supposed to love someone "damages" and all. Get to my age and it's damn hard to find someone without "damages". So I guess it's either that or just give the f-up. Fabulous.

Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at February 20, 2012 01:21 PM (bj+Nc)

423 Emmanuel Goldstein--Yeah, if you want to have your first baby when you're 38, there's about 5% chance you'll get pregnant and deliver full-term. Six figures of medical treatment raises the odds up to about 33%.

I should have been a careless slut when I was 16 instead of a nerd. Then society would call me "strong" and "brave" instead of "selfish" and "worthless."

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:22 PM (ZKzrr)

424 All this talk about marriages, failed marriages, divorces, etc. Meh.

In Mere Christianity, CS Lewis mentions that the doctrinal differences between Christian Denominations can often become so much the focus of discussion between groups, that outsiders don't realize all the sub-text of agreement between the groups.

This is kind of the same thing. There's a lot that's not being said, because those of us who are (or have been) happily married just sort of "know" it, and it doesn't occur to us to bring up specifics.

My only advice (for what my 7.5 years of marriage makes my advice worth): If she's the most important person in the world to you- not just worth your life, but worth complete self-sacrifice- then it'll work. What's better: if she's really worth complete self-sacrifice, she won't demand it.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:24 PM (8y9MW)

425 This song that doesn't end, just goes on and on my friend.


I'm so proud!

Posted by: zombie Sharrie Lewis at February 20, 2012 01:24 PM (vRSeu)

426
Is it OK for me to relieve myself over in the corner?

.
Walk your lazy butt out to the bus stop with the rest of the guys.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 01:24 PM (Usk3+)

427 Socialism screws with everyone's values. That's why South Korea doesn't really want unification. The NorKs are fucking nuts.

The East Germans are taking way too long to be assimilated into Europe.


Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:24 PM (O3R/2)

428 Hell, Angela Merkel still doesn't understand capitalism.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:25 PM (O3R/2)

429 Doom: ABC Radio News at noon reports Santorum at 45% in a recent Texas poll with everyone else many points behind.

More doom: The nearest Jack in the Box still has their soft serve machine disassembled, no bacon shake.

Posted by: Bob Saget at February 20, 2012 01:25 PM (SDkq3)

430 Honey, you just need some of that "Goldstein" seed making its way up your fallopian tubes.

F***ing little Michael Phelpses those boyz are.

Micheal. F***ing. Phelpses.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 01:26 PM (Bjf6P)

431 Doom: ABC Radio News at noon reports Santorum at 45% in a recent Texas poll with everyone else many points behind.

That's hardly DOOM-worthy. By the time the Federal Government (grumble, grumble) deigns to allow us to have our primary, the race will be settled.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:26 PM (8y9MW)

432
The East Germans are taking way too long to be assimilated into Europe.


Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:24 PM (O3R/2)

Germans? Assimilate? Keep them far away from me

Posted by: Poland at February 20, 2012 01:26 PM (i6RpT)

433 Ain't ya'll just a ray of sunshine. I thought you were supposed to love someone "damages" and all.


We all hit a few rough patches on our road through life.


I believe the advice is more along the lines of "Don't date someone who tells you they just kicked heroin for the third time"

Posted by: fluffy at February 20, 2012 01:27 PM (vRSeu)

434 Then again, I've been living with the lady for seven years. We might as well be married anyway.
Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 01:19 PM (JEVge)


a word of caution, this isn't the secret recipe.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2012 01:27 PM (1ZmOy)

435
Socialism screws with everyone's values. That's why South Korea doesn't really want unification. The NorKs are fucking nuts.
.
.
That reminds me. Can we set up a deal whereby counties can seceede? Cause I think we'd have a chance then.

Posted by: Meremortal at February 20, 2012 01:27 PM (Usk3+)

436 little Michael Phelpses those boyz are.

So they're high?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:28 PM (8y9MW)

437 And either way- once you're involved with (let alone married to) her, you're involved with them.

I ranted to Boy BFF about this for years before he and his wife got married last year. Her family is horrid, utterly horrid and he loathes them but she is very very close to them. I kept telling him, marry her, marry them. Now, his wife is a fantastic woman and he will never do better than her but her family is already tearing them apart and they've only been married for six months. He doesn't know what to do, in part because he takes his role as her protector quite seriously and will not let them treat her the way poorly. I may, possibly, have done the I told you so thing at him last week before advising him that all he can do is draw some firm lines about her family coming to their place but he cannot try to stop her from seeing her family at theirs. If he does, well, they'll be divorced by the end of this year.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 01:28 PM (VtjlW)

438 I should have been a careless slut when I was 16 instead of a nerd. Then society would call me "strong" and "brave" instead of "selfish" and "worthless."
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:22 PM (ZKzrr)

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Ya' know, it's still not too late to be a..........ah, nevermind.

Posted by: Soona at February 20, 2012 01:28 PM (Mcvub)

439 AllenG, wise dude you are.

Yes, we happily married guys found gals that are worthy of our love and sacrifice. You happily married gals found guys that are worthy of your devotion. It's like dagny? said, my heart jumps when I hear her car engine approaching.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:28 PM (O3R/2)

440
I should have been a careless slut when I was 16 instead of a nerd. Then society would call me "strong" and "brave" instead of "selfish" and "worthless."
Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:22 PM (ZKzrr)
And you would have had your own reality TV show on MTV.(You would have to have started taking drugs and get a police record, though...)

Posted by: Warthog at February 20, 2012 01:29 PM (WDySP)

441 >>>>I actually agree with you. However, any attempt to return to that
paradigm will be labelled "theocracy" or (at best) interference.


I think SoCons should use the language of libertarians and call it a return to Liberty, since that's what it would actually be. Because scolding doesn't work when the consequences don't ring true, implying that the government should be enforcing quasi-religious moral precepts is thoroughly repulsive to freedom loving people and not very attractive to those already on the dole, and the infighting is counterproductive and a split would simply mean more of the same.

Smash the state first.


I mean, reform government...

Posted by: runninrebel at February 20, 2012 01:29 PM (N/1Dm)

442 I should have been a careless slut when I was 16
instead of a nerd. Then society would call me "strong" and "brave"
instead of "selfish" and "worthless."


Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:22 PM (ZKzrr)Or I'll call you smart. Marriage- kids aren't all that, Have you looked at the state trying to get a teenagers through teen age hood with your mind still intact , Of course once they realize consequences They usually straighten up and become nice young people, still that few years is absolute hell with some of them, (saying this to cheer you up, and hope it's working)? nevermind doing that why your a doormat and forgotten soul to the male species. and that was said to take a swipe at the men and make Me feel better. (giggle)

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:30 PM (TomZ9)

443 Half the Poles haven't exactly understood the new paradigm either.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:30 PM (O3R/2)

444 Marriage proponents (anti Gay Marriage folks) are always talking about
how Marriage is there to help raise the kids... to give Legal structure
to the family unit... soooo.... what happens when Kids are no longer in
the equation?


I'm anti Gay Marriage, but I actually support the idea that someone in their fifties or older who wants to settle down with someone doesn't have to get married. To me, society isn't hurt by that, especially since the possibility of kids is no longer an issue. You're dealing with two mature individuals who have control of their own lives, not two twenty something idiots.

Posted by: Alex at February 20, 2012 01:31 PM (L/4gD)

445 a word of caution, this isn't the secret recipe.
Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2012 01:27 PM (1ZmOy)
We've planned our wedding for a long time. Unfortunately my job had issues, then her father's alzheimers situation worsened and we had to help financially with that. So we've already postponed it by nearly 5 years. We finally have the means and money to actually have it now.

Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 01:31 PM (JEVge)

446 For the record, if we get to 500 comments without a new thread, I'm going to start discussing movies. As a preview: You know what would be awesome? Two headed sand shark v. squidosaur. Starring Eric Roberts and Tiffany. With special appearance by Lorenzo Lamas.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 01:31 PM (VtjlW)

447 I believe the advice is more along the lines of "Don't date someone who tells you they just kicked heroin for the third time"


Posted by: fluffy at February 20, 2012 01:27 PM (vRSeu)
heh.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:32 PM (TomZ9)

448 No morning THC thread followed by a five hour DOOM thread.

Does this blog get Presidents Day off?

Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 20, 2012 01:32 PM (7+pP9)

449 I think SoCons should use the language of libertarians and call it a return to Liberty, since that's what it would actually be.

That's what I tend to do. Again, the problem here is that so many social cons are of the older generation. They don't talk about it as a "return to Liberty" because that's not how they think about it. Sad but true.

If you don't already, I think you might want to take a look at my blog in the next few weeks. I've got several posts lined up that I think you'll find interesting (though I doubt you'll agree 100% with every word).

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:32 PM (8y9MW)

450 oh and your-you're

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:33 PM (TomZ9)

451 Then again, I've been living with the lady for seven years. We might as well be married anyway.

Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 01:19 PM (JEVge)

Isn't that just another way of saying "I can do without blowjobs"?

Congrats though.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at February 20, 2012 01:33 PM (SY2Kh)

452 Does this blog get Presidents Day off?
Posted by: Ed Anger - Certified Kos Kid at February 20, 2012 01:32 PM (7+pP9)

Along with Drudge, Fox, All the Israeli News papers, and of course we all know michelle is off vacationing

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 01:34 PM (i6RpT)

453 Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 01:08 PM
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Those all sound great!

I would do those things, but just maybe salt in some versions of them where there would be single women. Around here (Utah) there are women who go on hunting tours - really! (Are you qualified to be a hunting or fishing guide?) I think I've seen places - camps, lodges - that specialize in outdoor experience weeks. I bet single women go to those (well, I would if I were single). I think the NRA has classes for women to learn how to shoot.

But maybe also try something new, like a cooking class or wine tasting class or some event that has those things (like that Trailing of the Sheep Festival in Idaho in the fall). There's something about seeing someone who is confident tackle a new situation that I think is a great way to get to know them. At least, that's what I'd be looking for if I were trying to find someone.

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 01:34 PM (5H6zj)

454 Posted by: CAC at February 20, 2012 01:31 PM (JEVge)

I wish you both all of the luck in the world, buddy. If your mom needs a date for the wedding, let me know.

Posted by: garrett at February 20, 2012 01:35 PM (1ZmOy)

455 So who's going to go see Act of Valor? Apparently it not only stars real-life Navy SEALs, they actually helped write most (or all) of the action sequences.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:35 PM (8y9MW)

456 alexthechick,

Tell your friend and his sweet wife: "MOVE! Get away from here! "

The best thing for our marriage was to move 1000 miles away from my in-laws.

It made us self-reliant.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:35 PM (O3R/2)

457
"I think SoCons should use the language of libertarians and call it a return to Liberty, since that's what it would actually be."

Rebel, I strongly agree.

As usual, the media has things 180 degrees wrong. The Republicans are cast as the finger-wagging scold, when in fact it's Democrats who are shoving their morality down the nation's throat. They don't use the word "morality", of course, but how else is one to characterize a political philosophy that results in banning light bulbs and having the police inspect children's lunches?

"Obama 2012:
If You Liked Prohibition, You'll Love My Second Term"

Posted by: Brown Line at February 20, 2012 01:36 PM (VrNoa)

458 The best thing for our marriage was to move 1000 miles away from my in-laws.

Probably the reason I get along with most of my in-laws as well as I do is that they live in Northern Michigan, and we live in Dallas.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:36 PM (8y9MW)

459 key to a good marriage .
mutual respect, working as in a partnership with a goal of non divorce in mind. If you feel you hate life , take a walk instead of taking it out on loved one.

living in separate homes a block away.

Posted by: willow at February 20, 2012 01:37 PM (TomZ9)

460 Band of Brothers marathon on Spike today.

Watching that with frequent commercials is kinda jarring, though.

Posted by: Waterhouse at February 20, 2012 01:37 PM (yMONZ)

461 Band of Brothers marathon on Spike today.

I've been told I should watch that. I haven't had the money or time to do so, however.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:38 PM (8y9MW)

462 When getting serious with a lady, check out her relationship with her Dad.
It is invariably VERY revealing, and can have great bearing on your future interactions.


Joffen if you are still there, please keep this well in mind as you think about your options going forward.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 20, 2012 01:38 PM (ZJCDy)

463 "I've been living with the lady for seven years."

May we assume that you've seen the intro to "Idiocracy"?

With the alpha yuppie witch and her betazoid panty-waist husband?

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 01:39 PM (Bjf6P)

464 Band of Brothers marathon on Spike today.

Watching that with frequent commercials is kinda jarring, though.
Posted by: Waterhouse at February 20, 2012 01:37 PM (yMONZ)


They just parachuted into Holland

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 01:41 PM (i6RpT)

465 So, after 6 years away, one Sunday morning the In-Laws drop in, uninvited, after church. Having lived far, far away, we were unaccustomed to this. We did not make them feel welcome. They NEVER did it again. Like I say, it was the best thing for our marriage.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:42 PM (O3R/2)

466 I've been told I should watch that. I haven't had the money or time to do so, however.
Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:38 PM

--------------------------------------

It's the best movie characterization of war that I've ever seen. Watch it.

Posted by: Soona at February 20, 2012 01:42 PM (Mcvub)

467 The best thing for our marriage was to move 1000 miles away from my in-laws.
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Probably the reason I get along with most of my in-laws as well as I do is that they live in Northern Michigan, and we live in Dallas.
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Yep! We got married in a double wedding with my sister (she'd been engaged for years and our wedding collided with their plans). Anyhoo, they are still married - technically - but they sure seem miserable.

We got married and immediately moved to Chicago (families are in MA and MD, respectively) where we were really broke and stuck in a lousy apartment with no friends. I could not run home to momma when things sucked (nor could he) and we really didn't even have the money for long phone calls back "home."

In contrast, my sister and bil moved straight into a nicely renovated townhome about 30 min from both sets of parents, one side of which (bil's) was a family of 11 kids. Not good.

I think cell phones with unlimited data calling plans and text messaging might be killing marriages. Why work it out with your spouse if you can just gripe about him or her?

Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 01:43 PM (5H6zj)

468
What's up with the blog? Did all the moderators abandon ship?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at February 20, 2012 01:44 PM (bMLFV)

469 Eindhoven Holland

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 01:44 PM (i6RpT)

470 Eindhoven Holland

beautiful place today

Posted by: Fellow Socialist at February 20, 2012 01:45 PM (OhYCU)

471 Dear Abby,
I am married to the comments sectionfrom a second tier political blog. Sure, it was all glamour and glitz in the early years. Really, an emotional rollercoaster if I am to be honest. Long ONT's , liveblogging, dicpicsand pancakes almost every weekend!
Lately, though, things have changed.Sometimes I feel as though I am in this relationship alone.

Please Advise.

Posted by: Moron in Need of a New Post at February 20, 2012 01:46 PM (1ZmOy)

472 Does this blog get Presidents Day off?


It has joined formatting, in a show of solidarity.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at February 20, 2012 01:46 PM (vbh31)

473 My tomcat wants to smoke a cigarette, but he doesn't hold it in his mouth long enough for me to light it.

Posted by: Soona at February 20, 2012 01:47 PM (Mcvub)

474 "I think cell phones with unlimited data calling plans and text messaging might be killing marriages."

That.

And Facebook.

And the Lifetime network.

And "ashleymadison.com".

And internet pr0n.

All part and parcel of theoverbearing nihilism of modernity.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 01:47 PM (Bjf6P)

475 When my husband asked my dad for my hand in marriage, my dad said, "only if you promise to live no closer than one state away.". We obliged.

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at February 20, 2012 01:47 PM (bMLFV)

476
463

.....May we assume that you've seen the intro to "Idiocracy"?

.
That movie was prophetic, wasn't it. .....It came out in 2006, and was being re-run a lot, until the JEF came along. .....But now it's like that movie is on the 'verbotten' list or something. ....It should be on the air every day. I'm amazed at how many people have never seen it.

Posted by: wheatie at February 20, 2012 01:48 PM (UOOK1)

477 What's up with the blog? Did all the moderators abandon ship?

President's Day. Traditionally celebrated by early morning toasting of each president except Buchanan, FDR, Carter and the SCoaMF. A shot of valu-rite and a slice of bacon accompanies each toast.

Posted by: Cicero at February 20, 2012 01:48 PM (QKKT0)

478 my dad said, "only if you promise to live no closer than one state away.

I'll have to remember that.
I'll also have to remember to make sure my wife isn't around when I say it to the boy in question.

All part and parcel of theoverbearing nihilism of modernity.

Indeed. There are so many "reasons" it's getting hard to tell the symptoms from the disease.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:49 PM (8y9MW)

479 The strategy my wife and I use with extended family is to be very clear that all relationships are secondary to our marriage. (Politely and indirectly in my wife's case-- I just tell people that, straight up.)

Seconds, absolutely zero financial ties. If someone needs money, give them the money or cut them loose. No loans.

Posted by: runninrebel at February 20, 2012 01:50 PM (N/1Dm)

480 Speaking of marriage, I just got a care package from Mrs Meanie for Valentine's Day Presnizzle's Day.
I always liked Presidents' Day better. Used to get a day off from my gummint job, myfavorite Simpsonsepisodeis showing(where Lisa breaks little Ralphie's heart), and all this talk about Harding gets me horny.

Posted by: Big Fat Meanie at February 20, 2012 01:50 PM (Ec6wH)

481 alexthechick,Tell your friend and his sweet wife: "MOVE! Get away from here! "

Annnd I'm off. She thinks that moving to Allentown from Philadelphia would be too far away from her family. For those that don't know, that's maybe an hour drive, not counting Philly traffic. She made the mistake of saying that to me once. I very calmly pointed out that my parents were living 12 hours away and I saw them maybe a total of eight days a year yet somehow I managed. Boy BFF isn't blameless here, his mother was coming down and staying with them for a week or more at a time. His wife finally put her foot down and, bless him, he realizd he was wrong and put a stop to that.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 01:51 PM (VtjlW)

482 >>A shot of valu-rite and a slice of bacon accompanies each toast.

That sounds really good right about now. Especially with a little blackberry jam on the toast.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 20, 2012 01:51 PM (ZKzrr)

483 I am working, snowing in DC so no golf, and the chocolate drops are in Aspen. They are slumming it with the resort owner, who needs some green energy credits for his income taxes.

The 99% that's me baby!

Posted by: Barry at February 20, 2012 01:51 PM (hXJOG)

484 I have seen Idiocracy recently. It periodically shows up on the cable movie channels.

Posted by: real joe at February 20, 2012 01:51 PM (r9S4b)

485 >>469
Eindhoven Holland

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 20, 2012 01:44 PM (i6RpT)

Did the 4 Day March (100 miles with 25# ruck and M16) in Nijmegen, one of the 3 Market Garden Drops, when I was in the Army in '80.Unbelievable experience.

Posted by: ontherocks at February 20, 2012 01:52 PM (ZJCDy)

486 If someone needs money, give them the money or cut them loose. No loans.

This is vitally important. Nothing strains familial relationships more (in my experience) than there being a "loan" hanging over someone's head. It colors every word the lender and borrower say to and/or about each other, and it just completely changes what should be a mutually giving relationship.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:52 PM (8y9MW)

487 Did you see that Clinton and FDR made the list of top ten richest presidents?

Posted by: katya, the designated driver at February 20, 2012 01:52 PM (bMLFV)

488 Idiocracy? I loved Idiocracy. I don't remember if I was sober when I watched it though. Probably not.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 01:52 PM (O3R/2)

489


Having a long-running Doom Thread as the only post on President's Day seems rather appropriate for the current state of affairs that we find ourselves in.

Posted by: wheatie at February 20, 2012 01:54 PM (UOOK1)

490 462
When getting serious with a lady, check out her relationship with her Dad.
It is invariably VERY revealing, and can have great bearing on your future interactions.


Joffen if you are still there, please keep this well in mind as you think about your options going forward.


Posted by: ontherocks at February 20, 2012 01:38 PM (ZJCDy)
This is true. My hubby never really understood some of my behavior till he witnessed some particularly bad behavior from my dad at a family gathering one day. When we got home he looked at me and said "Now I understand". My father is a supremely self centered, overbearing, hyper critical asshole, but can be very charming to get his way. His career was in sales so some of you may know the type.
I have had to work very hard to change my own behavior due to this. We will be married 25yrs this summer and things are pretty good. At least the kids are still telling us to get a room regularly. Love is a choice we make every day.

Posted by: California Witch at February 20, 2012 01:55 PM (Xcvk0)

491 Nothing strains familial relationships more (in my experience) than there being a "loan" hanging over someone's head. It colors every word the lender and borrower say to and/or about each other, and it just completely changes what should be a mutually giving relationship.

Now that's very very true. The Epic Work Badness involves some loans from family member A to family member B that will never ever be repaid and that is leading not only to those two people not speaking but may break up family member A's marriage.

Posted by: alexthechick - fuck cancer at February 20, 2012 01:56 PM (VtjlW)

492 Washington is to Obama, as Rise is to Fall.

Posted by: cherry π at February 20, 2012 01:57 PM (OhYCU)

493 Per the sidebar, luaP noR is correct that a socon platform is not a winning strategy for Republicans this year. But he needs to be reminded, neither is blaming the US for 9-11.

Posted by: real joe at February 20, 2012 01:57 PM (r9S4b)

494 Open Thread up.


Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 20, 2012 01:58 PM (8y9MW)

495
Posted by: Y-not at February 20, 2012 01:34 PM (5H6zj)


Good suggestions. I'm not qualified to guide, but I was taught to shoot by my father, who was a shooting instructor in the Army before the Air Force split off. I've taught several people to shoot. I would call myself a good shot except the fact that most can't shoot for shit does not make a medeocre rifleman a sniper.Heh.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 02:00 PM (OlN4e)

496 There's an old wives' tale that saysa girl shouldmarry the man who remindsher most ofher father.

My husband has the same birthday as my Dad.

Posted by: rockmom at February 20, 2012 02:00 PM (NYnoe)

497 Interesting listening to Rush today, laying out the case for social conservatism and its value to the Republican party.

Posted by: mama winger at February 20, 2012 02:00 PM (P6QsQ)

498

484 I have seen Idiocracy recently. It periodically shows up on the cable movie channels.

.
Really? .....good! I hope a lot of people are seeing it.
.
When I first saw it, in 2006, it was simply 'funny'. .....Now it is scary because we are living it.....and because it has happened to us in such a short period of time.

Posted by: wheatie at February 20, 2012 02:00 PM (UOOK1)

499 Idiocracy might not make it to cable much anymore, but thank the Good Lord that we get Josey Wales about once a week.

Don't know if I could live without my Saturday afternoon Josey Wales fix.

That and Firefly marathons on the Science channel [not to be confused with the SciFi cum SyFy channel].

The other day, some moron was on here slobbering about the breathtaking hawtness of Christina Hendricks as Saffron.

Speaking of which - HeatherRadish, how's your Christina Hendricks imitation?

Or will our babies need to drink formula?

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 02:03 PM (Bjf6P)

500 I can't really get too heated up over Christina Hendricks. I'm a leg man, and her feet look like they have been in an air disaster. Bad, really ugly.

Posted by: maddogg at February 20, 2012 02:05 PM (OlN4e)

501 This thread is dying, as a new one opened up. But a women tends , not should, to marry a man like here father, for good or ill.

Posted by: Jimbo at February 20, 2012 02:09 PM (O3R/2)

502 Well, at least Christina Hendricks got mentioned in the 500th post.

Things could be worse.

Posted by: Emmanuel Goldstein at February 20, 2012 02:11 PM (Bjf6P)

503 Herman CainI wouldn't say I taught Newt Gingrich how to campaign, but helped him clarify his message here in Georgia!---

Posted by: 2012 - Change reloaded on your ass at February 20, 2012 02:21 PM (845uI)

504 *sigh*

Posted by: Jane D'oh at February 20, 2012 12:46 PM (UOM4

I seem to recall weeks/months of all kinds of flack because Nancy Reagan replaced the china...day in/day out it spewed from the MSM. And this is the crux of the matter, I was pretty young at the time, didn't know nothing from squat and I sort of bought into this absurd nonsense. So you can see.....we all can see what a bunch of malarky can sway the
masses. Just look at the top ten items of importance according to Yahoo news---celebrity news/latest weight-loss break-throughs... that kind of stuff.

Posted by: The Greys at February 20, 2012 02:21 PM (tEe1I)

505 I'd tell you all my sad tale of woe re marriage, but it would be much quicker to go read any of the stories and comments at Shrink4Men.com.

While neither sex has exclusive claims on certain types of damaged, unsuitable marriage partners, Shrink4Men describes the particular level of hell "nice guy" types live in when they get sucked into marrying a personality disordered woman.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 02:24 PM (4q5tP)

506 I've asked this before: What sort of woman dates a married man, expects him to leave his wife for her and then expects him to stay true to her?

Posted by: The Greys at February 20, 2012 02:27 PM (tEe1I)

507 motherhood without marriage has settled deeply into middle America. The fastest growth in the last two decades has occurred among white women in their 20s who have some college education but no four-year degree
This is the white women on the left side of the Bell Curve, most of whom would havegotten married right out of high school in the past. Nowadays society tells them that's not good enough,so they get pushed into college but are not even clever enough to use birth control properly/consistentlyso end up preggers and drop out.

Posted by: JPS at February 20, 2012 02:29 PM (wS6Sf)

508 506 The Greys wrote, I've asked this before: What sort of woman dates a married man, expects him to leave his wife for her and then expects him to stay true to her?

She doesn't. She's hypergamously attracted to his "Display of High Value." In this case the DHV is pre-selection by another woman, a woman who committed to him. There's also the drama involved. "Women require drama. If you don't provide it, they'll manufacture it themselves."

I think there's a comedian out there who discusses this as part of a monologue. Women who wouldn't even look at him before he got married started calling him up and offering all kinds of interactions after the wedding. Friends of his wife particularly.

With most women, if he did divorce his wife and marry her, that would break the attraction by removing the DHV through pre-selection, and the drama.

Posted by: Looking Glass at February 20, 2012 03:01 PM (nbj44)

509 Anyone that marries a fixerupper is doomed to failure.Posted by: Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain at February 20, 2012 01:21 PM (bj+Nc)

That’s good advice, but if you marry a Ferrari, you better be prepared to pay for the maintenance.

Posted by: jwest at February 20, 2012 03:23 PM (FdndL)

510 Count de Monet at February 20, 2012 12:47 PM (4q5tP)

The local nail salon is not a bad comparison in terms of risk.

Of course given the population that measurement is nearly impossible among gyn patients. What has been measured is modes of infection and conclusions that it is a significant risk because of inadequate disinfection, cross contamination, improper handwashing/glove use, and most of all leaking probe covers.

Posted by: SarahW at February 20, 2012 04:59 PM (LYwCh)

511 @251
The divorce rate is not 50%. That's pernicious bullshit.
Why the fuck do people keep repeating that? Doesn't anyone have the slightest bit of skepticism any more?

Posted by: weft cut-loop at February 20, 2012 11:59 AM (9Hw3U)


Presumably the stat comes from simply dividing the number of divorces by the number of marriages. If so, that produces a result that is misleading because it's skewed by a relatively small proportion of people have multiple marriage/divorce cycles (e.g., Hollywood assholes).

For example, say someone is on the Hollywood plan and has four marriage/divorce cycles. That means that it takes four other couples married for a lifetime just to get back to a 50% divorce rate.

Posted by: Jay Guevara at February 20, 2012 05:14 PM (bT5uA)

512 volvo,cummins,fleetguard,perkins,caterpillar,daewoo,deutz,lovol,isuzu,mtu,jcb and ect.

Posted by: kadin at February 21, 2012 05:06 AM (cZh/D)






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