Maine GOP: The Spam Folder Ate Our Results

Why yes, the Maine GOP can make itself look more foolish.

Why do you ask?

Maine Republican Party chairman Charlie Webster has admitted that the state party made numerous clerical errors in counting the state’s caucus results — even omitting some votes because emails reporting tallies “went to spam” in an email account.

However, Webster insisted that the errors did not change the outcome.

On Saturday, he had declared former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney the winner of Maine’s Presidential Preference Poll by fewer than 200 votes, even though not all municipalities had reported results.

“There were clerical errors that did not significantly change the numbers. There were several smaller towns that were left out, the reporting was wrong. … We’ve corrected those clerical errors and will send those numbers out [soon],” said Webster in an interview with POLITICO.

Remember, this is a caucus in which only about 5,500 people voted and the winner is still in doubt. This is an embarrassing amount of incompetence on the part of the Maine GOP and Waldo County Republicans are right to call for Webster's censure. No delegates are actually awarded as a result of the caucuses, so this process was already meaningless. This post-vote bumbling is just the exclamation point at the end of an already bad joke.

The inept handling of this process brings up a good question: isn't it time to get rid of caucuses?

When you’re dealing with caucuses versus primaries, the impact can be more easily seen. A caucus that’s held starting at 7pm on a weeknight in the middle of winter is obviously going to draw far fewer voters than a primary where the polls are open for twelve to thirteen hours a day and where voters have an opportunity to vote absentee if they aren’t going to be able to make it to the polls on primary day (as Ed Morrissey recently discovered in Minnesota, there is no such thing as absentee voting in a caucus). Turnout for a primary is often low to begin with, but turnout for a caucus is even worse. Many people don’t have the time to spend two or three hours on a work night sitting in a school gymnasium, firehouse, or meeting hall going through the often tedious process that ends with the (non-binding) straw poll that the cable news networks breathlessly report as the results of the caucus. This is especially true for people who work late, or have children.
There are many things about the primary process that need to be overhauled. Getting rid of an outdated system for choosing delegates (or in Maine's case, not choosing delegates) seems a good place to start.

Posted by: Slublog at 10:09 AM



Comments

1 I WAS ROBBED!

Posted by: RONPAUL! at February 17, 2012 10:13 AM (kaOJx)

2 Whoops, look like Ron Paul must have taken the lead, and the Romney folks didn't like it.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 17, 2012 10:15 AM (+inic)

3 Maine had a caucus? Who knew

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 17, 2012 10:15 AM (i6RpT)

4 The future of the USA, Maine.

More Maine residents are receiving welfare assistance than Maine state tax filers.

Tipping point. Check.

Posted by: BP in NJ at February 17, 2012 10:15 AM (j84s0)

5 Who was it that called it "Politics of the pushy"?

Get rid of it.

Posted by: dblwmy at February 17, 2012 10:16 AM (BvTwT)

6 Caucuses are terrible. I really don't get why any state thinks they're a good idea.

Posted by: embittered redleg at February 17, 2012 10:16 AM (CuPwN)

7 It certainly helps to explain how we got the two "Republican" senators from Maine that we have.

Posted by: Pimpbot 5000 at February 17, 2012 10:17 AM (ggRof)

8 The state that produces KayInMaine can't get its shit together? The deuce you say!

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2012 10:17 AM (qFQAI)

9 No Iron Maiden. Execute them!

Posted by: Royal Ugly Dude at February 17, 2012 10:17 AM (TJww4)

10 *FACEPALM*

See, this is why I always say that the way to tell who is a Mainer is to count their teeth. If they're missing more than three in the front, they're a Mainer.

They're kind of stupid is what I'm saying.

There are some very GOOD Mainers, don't get me wrong. I've worked with a few. There just aren't that many of them.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:17 AM (4df7R)

11 This is a drop in the bucket compared to the outright, open fraud we will see in november. Outraged we much!

Posted by: Red Shirt at February 17, 2012 10:18 AM (FIDMq)

12 One national primary on a single day. I am sick of this crap.

Let's have debates for a few weeks leading up to it, and then let the actual voters decide instead of putting into the hands of the MFM to twist as they would like.

If we had done that this year, we would have Rick Perry preparing for his run against Obama. Or, not.

Posted by: Chi-Town Jerry at February 17, 2012 10:18 AM (f9c2L)

13 Well, that answers the nagging question I had about the GOP making a push at the statehouse level to take steps to get rampant voter fraud addressed and make a real difference in elections at all levels.


Apparently it was too much to get their own house in order.

Posted by: Burn the Witch at February 17, 2012 10:18 AM (rX1N2)

14 Okay, seriously, has any primary or caucus been run properly? If the GOP can't even run something this relatively simple properly, why should the GOP be trusted to run the country?

Posted by: alexthechick - SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 10:19 AM (VtjlW)

15 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable tyrant.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 10:20 AM (8y9MW)

16 See, this is why I always say that the way to tell who is a Mainer
is to count their teeth. If they're missing more than three in the
front, they're a Mainer.



They're kind of stupid is what I'm saying.


We're better than New Hampshire.

Which I guess isn't saying much.

Posted by: Slublog at February 17, 2012 10:20 AM (0nqdj)

17 even omitting some votes because emails reporting tallies “went to spam” in an email account.


In Maine, all votes are spam.

Posted by: really ... at February 17, 2012 10:21 AM (iOOXO)

18 And people wonder why there's a suspicion of some "Establishment plot" to get Romney elected.

First Iowa, and now Maine, screw up their counting. Only difference, it looks (if we take the GOP Chairman more-or-less at his word) like Maine didn't have to to give Romney the win.

It doesn't matter if it's true (sadly) what matters is the perception of incompetence. Like AtC says: if we can't trust them to run a primary properly, why should we entrust them with reigns to the country?

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 10:22 AM (8y9MW)

19 And people wonder why there's a suspicion of some "Establishment plot" to get Romney elected.

Trust me. With the Maine GOP, it's pure incompetence. They aren't organized enough to pull off a conspiracy.

Posted by: Slublog at February 17, 2012 10:24 AM (0nqdj)

20 Okay. Maybe just a little Iron Maiden.

Posted by: Royal Ugly Dude at February 17, 2012 10:25 AM (TJww4)

21 Honestly, I think part of the problem here and elsewhereis lack of understanding of technology. Everyone talks about the brain drain of foreign students attending university in the United States and then taking that knowledge to their home countries when they've graduated. But the other brain drain that we get a lot of up here in the New England boonies is the brain drain of young people with expertise in technology who move to a "hipper" state after they've graduated college. They leave NH and Maine and VT and move to Boston, or New York, or cross the country to Seattle, etc. So instead of having people in these places who know how to TURN OFF A SPAM FILTER, you instead have people tallying votes on an adding machine that dates back to 1987, then sending those tallies to a central office using theirpersonal account, "proud2BAmainer(at)comcast(dot)net," with a subject line like, "Here are the results."

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:27 AM (4df7R)

22 This kind of shit just drives me crazy. They can't learn how to use Outlook and a decent database? Really?

Posted by: joncelli at February 17, 2012 10:27 AM (RD7QR)

23 We're better than New Hampshire.
Which I guess isn't saying much.

Posted by: Slublog at February 17, 2012 10:20 AM (0nqdj)


Hey! I resemble that remark!

AndI did say there are some GOOD mainers, ne?

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:28 AM (4df7R)

24
How hard can it be to count up 5,500 votes?

I'm just sayin'.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 17, 2012 10:28 AM (0xqzf)

25 Hey! I resemble that remark!

And I did say there are some GOOD mainers, ne?


True. I guess we can both take pride in the fact that we're not in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Slublog at February 17, 2012 10:30 AM (0nqdj)

26 Vampires have hidden the GOP caucus results in a hotel room. But they don't know the dark secret of the hotel . . .

STEPHEN KING

BAG OF BALLOTS

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 17, 2012 10:30 AM (QTHTd)

27 How hard can it be to count up 5,500 votes?
I'm just sayin'.....

Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 17, 2012 10:28 AM (0xqzf)


Possibly all the vote-counters were innumerate TANF placements? Considering that more people in Maine are on government assistance than not, it's not impossible.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:31 AM (4df7R)

28 What's really sad is that there will be no negative internal consequences for this act of brainless dumbfuckery from the party of stoopid.

Posted by: Captain Hate at February 17, 2012 10:31 AM (qFQAI)

29 How hard can it be to count up 5,500 votes?I'm just sayin'.....
Posted by: Teresa in Fort Worth, TX at February 17, 2012 10:28 AM (0xqzf)
*******
Hey, I only have 10 fingers and toes. What do you want from me?

Posted by: Charlie Webster at February 17, 2012 10:32 AM (ggRof)

30 I'd suggest TNT...

Posted by: billygoat at February 17, 2012 10:32 AM (ElCPi)

31 I don't like Spam.

Posted by: Charlie Bun at February 17, 2012 10:32 AM (vbh31)

32 <<How hard can it be to count up 5,500 votes?

I'm just sayin'.....>>

One could set up a system using a fax macine and Excel in an hour that was more robust than what they seem to be using. Hell a check list of all the sites that should report would have solved the lost in the spam filter problem.

Posted by: GOP at February 17, 2012 10:32 AM (tf9Ne)

33 We should invite the leadership of the Republican party to a lavish dinner in some windowless ballroom somewhere and after they're all seated and enjoying the pheasant we can kick wedges under the doors and set the place on fire.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 17, 2012 10:32 AM (6BgmB)

34 Why is any of this this surprising coming from the state that sends Collins and Snowe to the Senate?

Posted by: Peregrine Took, Hobbit S.O.B. at February 17, 2012 10:32 AM (64S5N)

35 Ready for my triumphant return, bitches?

Posted by: Smoky Backroom at February 17, 2012 10:33 AM (4I3Uo)

36
Isn't Maine the state where almost everyone is on food stamps?

I may have over-exaggerated that question.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 17, 2012 10:33 AM (r+9M6)

37 Isn't Maine the state where almost everyone is on food stamps?

I may have over-exaggerated that question.


Not by much. The number of people on welfare actually exceeds the number of people paying taxes.

Posted by: Slublog at February 17, 2012 10:34 AM (0nqdj)

38 True. I guess we can both take pride in the fact that we're not in Massachusetts.

Posted by: Slublog at February 17, 2012 10:30 AM (0nqdj)


Oh God yes. I have honestly had nightmares about driving through Massachusetts and having every northbound highway and byway blocked off by impenetrable forests so that I couldn't escape. Scared me more than the night terror I once had about Death tapping me on the back with a skeletal finger in a black room on an obsidian altar.

This is how much I hate Massachusetts.

The pity I feel for our MA-based 'rons and 'ronettes is deep and abiding.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:35 AM (4df7R)

39
Of course we know it wasn't lost in the spam folder, it was because ron paul won maine and they didn't want to admit it.

Posted by: Guy Mohawk at February 17, 2012 10:35 AM (r+9M6)

40 Now you see why we forced them out of our state in 1820

Posted by: Mas-holes in General at February 17, 2012 10:36 AM (w5RwR)

41 Nor Luap battle cry - "Remember the Maine... caucuses!"

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 10:36 AM (e0xKF)

42 33
We should invite the leadership of the Republican party to a lavish
dinner in some windowless ballroom somewhere and after they're all
seated and enjoying the pheasant we can kick wedges under the doors and
set the place on fire.



Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 17, 2012 10:32 AM (6BgmB)
Wanna try out our method, VERY satisfying

Posted by: The Dirty Dozen at February 17, 2012 10:36 AM (FIDMq)

43 >>One could set up a system using a fax macine and Excel in an hour that was more robust than what they seem to be using.

If one learned nothing from the Saga of Waukesha County Clerk Kathy Nikolaus. (Proggs are still wetting their diapers over that one. Heh.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 17, 2012 10:37 AM (ZKzrr)

44 Wanna try out our method, VERY satisfying

Posted by: The Dirty Dozen at February 17, 2012 10:36 AM (FIDMq)
Sure, just remember to leave Maggott back at the base.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 10:37 AM (e0xKF)

45 Simple-minded Maurice Johnson has been wondering, what has been going on in the small town of Castle Rock? Sharp-suited young men have been spotted going in and out of the Republican Party headquarters. Most of the townsfolk think it's an election. But Johnson knows election day only happens after Halloween. (YAY! HALLOWEEN!) You'll shiver, you'll laugh, you'll cry when the

MAGICAL RETARD SAVES THE CAUCUS

STEPHEN KING

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 17, 2012 10:37 AM (QTHTd)

46 Spam, Spam, lovely Spam, wonderful Spam.

Posted by: Maine GOP at February 17, 2012 10:37 AM (vbh31)

47 Never fear! I, Jethro Bodine, with my 6th-grade education will fix the problem.

Posted by: Count de Monet at February 17, 2012 10:38 AM (4q5tP)

48 Our betters in the GOP hierarchy turn out to not be so good. Color be shocked.

Posted by: Y-not bright eyed and bushy tailed at February 17, 2012 10:38 AM (5H6zj)

49 Wanna try out our method, VERY satisfying
Posted by: The Dirty Dozen at February 17, 2012 10:36 AM (FIDMq)


Your method has merits but it's too quick.

Posted by: Larsen E. Whipsnade at February 17, 2012 10:40 AM (6BgmB)

50 It's a shame, really. Maine could be SUCH a great state, if they had a more competent leadership. The coast is gorgeous, of course, and some of the wilderness up in the north and east is virtually untouched. And Acadia National Park is beautiful.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:42 AM (4df7R)

51 There is something in the sewer... lurking... waiting... stealing Republican ballots. Some say it's a giant spider. Some say it's an evil clown. Others say it's just a toilet hobo.

If an intrepid team of young kids stop the townsmen doesn't save the thing in the sewers, the Republicans might even be able to get their act together. And we can't have that.

STEPHEN KING

FLUSH

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 17, 2012 10:42 AM (QTHTd)

52 See what happens when you bastards try and mess with our birth control?

Posted by: Olympia SnowedIn at February 17, 2012 10:42 AM (vbh31)

53 It's kind of funny. States run lotteries, selling billions of tickets for prizes of tens of billions of dollars every year ... and I have never even heard of a case of a mistaken ticket. Not a one. But, this same state that can run its own lottery cannot run an election that uses much of the same exact technology. Yep.

Posted by: really ... at February 17, 2012 10:43 AM (iOOXO)

54 I wonder if this has anything to do with the story I read yesterday about Paultards taking over local Republican party organizations...

Posted by: lesbian seagull at February 17, 2012 10:43 AM (xXhWA)

55 bah. delete "stop the townsmen" from the above.

Good thing I'm off work today

Posted by: Boulder Toilet Hobo at February 17, 2012 10:43 AM (QTHTd)

56 Hey everyone, here's a handy reference guide for when the next Santorum thread comes up:
The Libertarians Guide to Social Conservatives - you're resource for understanding what SoCons really mean when they make their weird, wacky statements.
When the SoCon says ............ The SoCon really means
"I support teaching abstinance in sex education" ..... "We should ban sex"

"I oppose abortion" ..... "We should ban sex"

"Contraception is a public policy issue" ..... "We should ban sex"

"I oppose gay marriage" ..... "We should ban sex"

"Pornography exploits vulnerable young women" ..... "We should ban sex"

"Drug use hurts families" ..... "We should ban sex"

"The cultural degradation in America is terrible" ..... "We should ban sex"

"I'm a values voter" ..... "We should ban sex"

I hope this guide proves useful in future discussions.

Posted by: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus at February 17, 2012 10:43 AM (+inic)

57 However, Webster insisted that the errors did not change the outcome.

An unfounded assertion presented without any empirical evidence. Nothing to see here, and so forth...

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 17, 2012 10:44 AM (UzjcV)

58 38 OMG that's how I feel everytime I go into DC or Maryland. I repeat over and over, "Get me back over the bridge to the Commonwealth. Commonwealth. Commonwealth." Shudder.

Posted by: dagny at February 17, 2012 10:45 AM (7w+6S)

59 Maine Caucus? "I don't even know about it. So you've got me at a loss, but my goodness, if it's got everything, including sleaziness in it, we should talk about it in the morning."

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at February 17, 2012 10:47 AM (wN82N)

60 Without going all ageist, and drawing on my experiences in MA and NC, I wonder if the people running the Caucuses are anything like the people running the polls. Their average age is north of 70 and climbing daily. God bless them, they're the ones who keep the Party up and running the 99% of the time that nobody really cares, so that we can choose our candidates, but new blood is a must.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 17, 2012 10:48 AM (hiMsy)

61 yet another Romney "win" may be downgraded to a 2nd place ... front runner my a** ...

Posted by: JeffC at February 17, 2012 10:48 AM (A3tpD)

62 I hear that Axelrod's mustache ignited in his excitment that his ploy to get people to talk about banning rubbers worked even on right wing blogs. They say he'll be fine and back out on the trail trying to find women/or men to say Mitt/Rick felt them up.

Posted by: dagny at February 17, 2012 10:50 AM (7w+6S)

63 I think it's time to retire the caucus system.

Posted by: rectal exam at February 17, 2012 10:50 AM (O7ksG)

64 So this Maine...is it a state or something?

Posted by: Ben at February 17, 2012 10:51 AM (wuv1c)

65 We're better than New Hampshire.

Which I guess isn't saying much.


Posted by: Slublog at February 17, 2012 10:20 AM (0nqdj)


And they're waaaay better than those SPEDs in New Brunswick... or so they'd like to believe

Posted by: Krebs v Carnot: Epic Battle of the Cycling Stars at February 17, 2012 10:51 AM (UzjcV)

66 But, but, but........Maine was supposed to indicate that Romney was back in the drivers seat!

You mean..........that might not be true?

Posted by: basket case nation at February 17, 2012 10:52 AM (saueq)

67 Since we don't seem to be able to even have a primary in Texas, I refuse to denounce anyone's ineptitude.

Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2012 10:52 AM (mG87Q)

68 I have a revolutionary idea that just may work...How about a Republican primary vote where only registered Republicans can vote to choose the next Republican candidate.

Fucking groundbreaking, I know.

Posted by: Hedgehog at February 17, 2012 10:52 AM (3jGS1)

69 ...but new blood is a must.
Posted by: Lincolntf at February 17, 2012 10:48 AM (hiMsy)


We're working on it...

Posted by: New Black Panther Party at February 17, 2012 10:52 AM (UzjcV)

70 60 Without going all ageist, and drawing on my experiences in MA and NC, I wonder if the people running the Caucuses are anything like the people running the polls. Their average age is north of 70 and climbing daily. God bless them, they're the ones who keep the Party up and running the 99% of the time that nobody really cares, so that we can choose our candidates, but new blood is a must.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 17, 2012 10:48 AM (hiMsy)


Indeed! My local group who handle the primary and the election are all 65+. I think at least part of the reason for that is that our elections are always during the week, when the younger set is either at work or sitting apathetically at home play WoW. I've considered volunteering, but I'm afraid the first person who proclaimed themself a Democrat would find their nose crushed as my fist made contact with their face.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:53 AM (4df7R)

71 64
So this Maine...is it a state or something?

Posted by: Ben at February 17, 2012 10:51 AM (wuv1c)

At least in theory. In practice, not so much.

Posted by: joncelli at February 17, 2012 10:53 AM (RD7QR)

72 Wow...unbelievable.

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 10:53 AM (r2PLg)

73 So this Maine...is it a state or something?
Posted by: Ben at February 17, 2012 10:51 AM (wuv1c)

It's just a big dock to catch lobster from

Posted by: nevergiveup at February 17, 2012 10:53 AM (i6RpT)

74 67
Since we don't seem to be able to even have a primary in Texas, I refuse to denounce anyone's ineptitude.

That's not the party's fault. That's the fault of the Dems taking the state to court, repeatedly, over the 2012 House districts.

You can't have primaries until you know what the districts will be.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 10:54 AM (e0xKF)

75 Yeah, I can't work with the party. When I say Obama is a socialist they gasp. I spend all my time rolling my eyes. I need a good 501c3 like the swift boaters to help or send money to.

Posted by: dagny at February 17, 2012 10:54 AM (7w+6S)

76 They hired me and my 'special friends' to do the counting!!!...Wheeeeeeeeeeeee!!!

Posted by: Corky the Retard at February 17, 2012 10:57 AM (ElCPi)

77 Love Shack, ba-a-aaay-bee...

Posted by: Maine Rock Lobster at February 17, 2012 10:58 AM (vbh31)

78 Iowa was incompetent too. Sad. Very sad. We have become a nation that can't even run a small election. We're screwed. SMOD please come quickly.

Posted by: Ken Royall at February 17, 2012 10:58 AM (9zzk+)

79 I need a good 501c3 like the swift boaters to help or send money to.

Longbow. PAC.

Posted by: AllenG (Dedicated Tenther) SMOD 2012 at February 17, 2012 10:59 AM (8y9MW)

80 That's not the party's fault. That's the fault of the Dems taking the state to court, repeatedly, over the 2012 House districts.

You can't have primaries until you know what the districts will be.


Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 10:54 AM


I know what the problem is. I live here. I'm still pissed off about it.

Posted by: huerfano at February 17, 2012 10:59 AM (mG87Q)

81 This is entirely OT, but just in case you had forgotten that Whitney Houston is still dead (Who knew!), here's your crass media reminder of the day:

Entertainment Weekly is going to LIVEBLOG her funeral.

Link to Big Hollywood (b/c I am NOT linking to EW): http://tinyurl.com/85mf2dr

Enjoy that. It's nice to remember how crude the entertainment media can be.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 10:59 AM (4df7R)

82 We have become a nation that can't even run a small election.

Heh.

Posted by: Public Education at February 17, 2012 11:00 AM (vbh31)

83 This is from The Portland Press herald;

The Maine GOP has a lot of important work to do, and we won't waste their time investigating the meaningless, partial caucus straw poll," Benton said in the email to USA Today.

--http://www.pressherald.com/blogs/maine_washington_politics/139454608.html

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:01 AM (r2PLg)

84 I'm more comfortable in my precinct down here now, so maybe I'll ask some questions of the poll workers on Primary day. I was the only one in there thelast time I voted and almost brought up volunteering, but Ifelt a bit too new to the area. Now I've been here a few years, I could hit the polling place from my yard with a solid 2-iron and I don't think it'd be too time-consuming to be a lowest level helper. We'll see.

Posted by: Lincolntf at February 17, 2012 11:01 AM (HethX)

85 Hmmmm fried Spam and eggs....***gurgle***gurgle**

Posted by: Charlie "Homer" Webster at February 17, 2012 11:02 AM (8ieXv)

86 I have to re-read that article, but it seems like Benton could use some ...something.

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:03 AM (r2PLg)

87 58 38 OMG that's how I feel everytime I go into DC or Maryland. I repeat over and over, "Get me back over the bridge to the Commonwealth. Commonwealth. Commonwealth." Shudder.

Posted by: dagny at February 17, 2012 10:45 AM (7w+6S)


Oh Lordy, I can believe it! I've had to go to Baltimore a couple of times for work, and each time I was desperate to get out. It was just so DEPRESSING.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 11:04 AM (4df7R)

88 >>Entertainment Weekly is going to LIVEBLOG her funeral.

For the seven fans who can't watch the live stream? (Or buy the DVD on Sunday?)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at February 17, 2012 11:05 AM (ZKzrr)

89 Nevermind- "Jesse benton" is Ron Paul's campaign manager--so he's the one talking like that.

This is from USA Today;

Ron Paul's national campaign chairman says the GOP presidential candidate isn't going to press for a recount in the Maine caucuses.

Jesse Benton e-mailed to say that a recount is "irrelevant" because the Paul campaign believes the Texas congressman will end up with a "strong majority" of Maine's 24 delegates when the dust settles over the caucus votes.

The Bangor Daily News reported Tuesday that the pressure is on for the state Republican Party to "reconsider" its declaration that Mitt Romney won the GOP caucuses when votes were announced Feb. 11.


***********

Somehow Ron Paul thinks the delegates will give Ron Paul the win?

Posted by: tasker at February 17, 2012 11:06 AM (r2PLg)

90 88
>>Entertainment Weekly is going to LIVEBLOG her funeral.For the seven fans who can't watch the live stream? (Or buy the DVD on Sunday?)

The most annoying thing I heard the other day was some fucking drama queen whining on the radio about how the Houston family wanted it to be a private ceremony and that them doing it was robbing them of a chance to say goodbye.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 11:08 AM (e0xKF)

91 The most annoying thing I heard the other day was some fucking drama queen whining on the radio about how the Houston family wanted it to be a private ceremony and that them doing it was robbing them of a chance to say goodbye.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 11:08 AM (e0xKF)


Oh for Pete's SAKE.

I'm really pretty disgusted with how a lot of her fans, and family,have been acting since her death. I understand that there is going to be grief when a favorite entertainer passes away, but so many of her fans have just been so... I guess I'd say selfish about it. She was Whitney Houston, daughter and friend, long before she was Whitney Houston, iconic singer and actress. Get over yourselves, people; let her loved ones mourn.

And as for the loved ones -- please STOP with the media circus.

Posted by: MWR, Proud Tea(rrorist) Party Hobbit and ABO supporter at February 17, 2012 11:17 AM (4df7R)

92 "...an embarrassing amount of incompetence on the part of the Maine GOP..."

Delete "Maine" and you might be on to something there, Ace.

Posted by: davidinvirginia at February 17, 2012 11:18 AM (cPJUK)

93 Get over yourselves, people; let her loved ones mourn.

That would be the problem. They think it's all about them and not the people who knew her years before she cut an album.

Posted by: Brandon In Baton Rouge at February 17, 2012 11:21 AM (e0xKF)

94 Caucuses are good. Representative democracy at its finest.

Poorly run caucuses scheduled at bad times are bad.

Caucuses are supposed to be something people want to go to. In the old days, people would take off all day to go, or they would be associated with local holidays. They were often combined with picnics, music, and other fun to get one in the mood for spending hours together, and to give everybody something to eat and drink and have fun about as soon as they got out. What's this 7 PM in the snow business?

Posted by: Maureen at February 17, 2012 01:21 PM (BNL4D)

95 As an election worker, this $hit just pisses me off. I hate incompetence.

Posted by: Tonic Dog at February 17, 2012 02:15 PM (X/+QT)

96 The caucuses and the straw poll taken at the caucuses are two different things. Even if there were no straw poll, even if there were a primary, there would still have to be caucuses as part of the process of electing Maine's delegates to the Republican National Convention.

So if you're going to have all these Republicans gathering anyway, why not take a straw poll? And why not use the straw poll to drive up caucus participation?

What went wrong in Maine is that the national media, hungry for any numbers at all in a month without primaries, made a big deal out of the results, and the Maine party was unprepared for the onslaught of attention and the media's expectation of a rigorous result.

Posted by: Michael Bates at February 17, 2012 03:33 PM (HRmxh)

97 Obama is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at February 17, 2012 03:39 PM (7W3wI)

98 "Isn't it time to get rid of caucuses?"

No, but we should reform them. Washington state has a good system. 51% of delegates to the national convention are awarded by the primary, 49% by caucuses.

So even though the people rule, the party members who care enough to show up at their local precincts to caucus have effectively half the say. So it's not just the party insiders or the ignorant unwashed masses that are calling the shots.

Posted by: Arms Merchant at February 17, 2012 04:30 PM (kPT11)

99 Our motto: "Maine - high taxes AND bad roads!"

Posted by: PersonFromPorlock at February 17, 2012 09:51 PM (2VCZA)

100 It now becomes obvious how Snowe and Collins got elected.
One assumes that if this was turned over to a couple of sixth grade school classes to do the counting and tallying, then election outcomes in Maine might be considerably different... and considerably more accurate and timely as well.

Posted by: chuck in st paul at February 17, 2012 09:51 PM (7JBJD)

101 @97 ObamaMaine is a stuttering clusterf*ck of a miserable failure.
TFIFY

Posted by: chuck in st paul at February 17, 2012 09:55 PM (7JBJD)

102 What could you expect from a state whose official motto is "Can I Freshen That For You?"

Posted by: -Shawn- at February 18, 2012 10:18 AM (FfGFr)






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