So.... Yeah... The New Smear Is That Rick Perry Is a Dhimmi, Huh?

Pam Gellar, relying on a hot tip from, um, Salon, thinks Rick Perry's a dhimmi.

Salon wrote:

Perry is a friend of the Aga Khan, the religious leader of the Ismailis, a sect of Shia Islam that claims a reported 15 to 20 million adherents worldwide. Sprouting from that friendship are at least two cooperation agreements between the state of Texas and Ismaili institutions, including a far-reaching program to educate Texas schoolchildren about Islam. That’s a partnership that has already prompted a bit of grumbling in far-right corners of the blogosphere and could conceivably become a primary issue if, as expected, Perry enters the presidential race.

Gellar echoes:

Perry has been sucked into the propaganda vortex, and is now wielding his enormous power to influence changes in the schoolrooms and in the curricula to reflect a sharia compliant version of Islam. He is a friend of the Aga Khan, the multimillionaire head of the Ismailis, a Shi’ite sect of Islam that today proclaims its nonviolence but in ages past was the sect that gave rise to the Assassins.

Oh I like that just fine. In the 1100's, this sect gave rise to the Assassins, so... yeah. Watch out. They've had 900 years to get even more bad-ass.

Perry has concluded at least two cooperation agreements between the state of Texas and the Ismailis, including a comprehensive program to feed children in Texas public schools and taqiyya nonsense about how Islam is a religion of peace.

So... what of it?

I am about to direct you to what I think might just be the greatest rejoinder in the history of blogdom.

Now, because I have an ego, and don't want to fully admit how good this is, better than I've ever managed, I will console myself with the notion that he has the facts on his side, and ergo, is almost cheating.

I strongly, strongly urge you to read this. Now, if it seems long, skip to the part of it -- the last half -- wherein the actual curriculum used to teach Texas students about Islam is presented.

I know what you're thinking. Shit, I thought so too. Religion of Peace. We must stop attacking them. Israel is mean.

Oh no. Oh no no no.

The "dhimmi" curriculum that was actually produced by Texas teachers consulting with Aga Khan is...

...Well, I don't want to get your expectations up, because once expectations are raised, they can never be met, can they?

But actually reading this curriculum (which I trust Ms. Geller did not), my honest reaction? My real reaction reading it?

This is going to hurt Perry, because this is so biased against Muslims it will reinforce perceptions he is some kind of rootin'-tootin' six-gun shooting cowboy yahoo.

Okay, I've raised your expectations. But you read it yourself. Read what the Aga Khan (and his apparently really non-violent fellow Muslim moderates) worked out with Texas teachers to inform kids about Islam.


And then you tell me Perry's a "dhimmi."

(START OF EXCERPTS)

Because Islamic society is in a different state of development than Western society, conflicts naturally arise.

1. Countries of Western Civilization have secular governments, which means great toleration of cultural and religious differences.

What? Did he just praise the West?

2. Countries of Islamic Civilization for the most part either have religiously dominated governments or demands to make them more religious, which mean less toleration of cultural and religious differences.

Wait, didn't he just knock Islam?

3. Muslims often lack respect for Western traditions and points of view. The Muslim relationship to the West is colored by the belief that Western beliefs [whether Christian or atheist] are defective and therefore inferior to Islam.

Did he just say Muslims lack respect for Western traditions?

From its early days, Islam reacted aggressively toward its civilized neighbors the Byzantines and the West. Muslim attacks against the West can be viewed as occurring in three waves...

Wait, what?

Modernity developed in the West and made the West so powerful that any civilization that did not imitate the West in this regard was at a extreme disadvantage. Modernism featured three characteristics:

1. High levels of technology, integrated into society, along with modern science.

2. The creation of much wealth, which, with technology, makes the state more powerful militarily.

3. An openness (in its most developed form called the Open Society by Karl Popper), which features tolerance, pluralism, and has a secular governance.
The failure of Islam to adopt modern ways and adapt them to Islamic values, put Islam at a great disadvantage when dealing with the West.

Anyone feeling the attitude of dhimmitude yet?

While Westerners studied Islamic culture, Muslims showed almost no interest in Western culture, remaining ignorant of modernity and its impact.

Obviously pro-Islam propaganda.

Now here comes something that is to my mind way too politically biased... against Islam and in favor of the West, again. I would not include this.

Wiltse approvingly quotes from a Wall Street Journal op-ed, “Speaking Truth to Muslim Power,” by former CIA officer Reuel Marc Gerecht: “The Egyptian press has never been as free as when the British ruled over the Nile valley.”

See what I mean? Is this how they do "dhimmitude" in Texas? Because if this is dhimmitude Texas-style, sign me up.

(WILTSE’S ENTIRE SEGMENT ON ISRAEL):

The conflict continues because the West, and the United States specifically, support Israel (an outpost of Western Civilization surrounded by Islamic Civilization), which Muslims generally dislike or hate.

Islamic enmity toward Israel is complicated, but hatred of Jews and Israel can be traced at least to the success of Nazi anti-Jewish propaganda starting in 1933.

Are you shitting me?

Gellar's attacking this?

This reads like her fucking blog for fuck's sake.

In Texas, they're fucking reading "Atlas Shrugs" to the kids, and Geller's complaining. Maybe it's because she thinks she's owed royalties.

A small 1800s movement, Zionism, began seeking a Jewish-controlled state. After rejecting the island of Madagascar, Zionists settled on Palestine, the historic homeland of Jews until they were chased away by the Roman government in AD 70. At the time, Palestine was in the (Turkish Islamic) Ottoman Empire. The movement was not popular among European Jews, who had in the 1800s became increasingly accepted by fellow Europeans.

Since the end of World War One Palestine had been under the control of Great Britain, who at first welcomed the hardworking Jewish settlers. They made the most of the harsh conditions, bringing economic success to an area that had for a very long time been poor. Arab natives also welcomed the newcomers. But as the number of Jewish settlers increased and their economic success contrasted sharply with the economic backwardness of the Palestinian Arabs, the Arab attitude began to change.

That's enough excerpting. Read the thing.

"Backwardness."

What does it take, exactly, to avoid being called a dhimmi? This curriculum seems pretty tough and even-handed to me. Maybe even a little too tough on our friends in the Religion of Peace.

"Anti-Jihadism" cannot simply degenerate into a guilt by association lunacy where the only real "goods" you have on someone is that they seem to know Muslims.

By the way, this Aga Khan? At the link you'll see Robert Spencer of JihadWatch saying, in a discussion about whether moderate Muslims exist, that yes, indeed, his sect is actually moderate and non-violent. See, their sect actually tends to get persecuted by bigger sects, so they're not so big on violence. And he also says there that Aga Khan is in fact a philanthropist.

Update: I'm very late to this particular dispute.

Robert Spencer actually already responded to the blogpost I quote, arguing against it. You can read that reponse here, as well as Counter-Contempt's response to his response.

I think Counter-Contempt continues filleting them, but you be the judge.

Further Damage: Well, suffice to say I won't be reading this crap any more.

Gellar desperately tries to connect Rick Perry to Radical Islam via Perry's... association with American non-Muslim anti-tax crusader Grover Norquist.

Yes, all Perry did was give a speech in partnership with Grover Norquist, and promote it on his website. Norquist heads up Americans for Tax Reform, and Perry’s tax-cutting message is redolent of Norquist’s influence. But Norquist also has deep and extensive ties to Islamic supremacists and jihadists, as I showed in the first commentary. That raises legitimate questions about whether or not Perry knows about, or cares about, or even endorses, that activity by Norquist. I certainly would refuse to speak at the same event in partnership with Grover Norquist – let alone promote it on my website. Shouldn’t Rick Perry have, too?

Now, Norquist is widely known himself to be pro-Muslim; he believes they're a natural Republican constituency, and urges we make a move for them like Bush and Rove urge with Hispanics.

But Geller is trying to shore up her pathetic "Rick Perry's a Pro-Sharia Islamist Enabler" bullshit by linking him to the guy that everyone in DC is linked to in some way (fuck, even I was at his house five years ago).

Ummm... we're not allowed to talk with Grover Norquist anymore, Pam? Can't sign his anti-tax pledges? I guess all those conservative pols and wonks going to the Blankday Morning Meetings are, what? Jihadis, now?

Yeah. I'd say that just about takes care of all that.

I think Geller and Charles Johnson deserved each other. While Johnson called everyone a "fascist," Geller just calls everyone a "jihadist" or "dhimmi."

Look, it's the exact same goddamn thing. Sometimes relationships must end not because people are too different but because they are too alike.


Thanks very much to Jarid Foster for tipping me to that.

Plus: Let me say this. This is a general philosophical point. I thought this before I even knew the facts here.

There is a real danger of people coddling up to "moderate Muslims" who are nothing of the sort. We saw this repeatedly with Bush; we will see more of it.

There are good points to be made about such "moderate" Muslims, and our leaders' stupidity in elevating them.

However. However.

If the claim is now being made that to be properly "Anti-Jihadist" you really now do simply have to be anti-Muslim, period, and cannot attempt any overtures or any sort of goodwill gestures towards Muslims you actually believe are moderate (and seem to be so), then sign me down because I'm not part of that.

I think that is where people are driving this bus. It's easier to just dismiss them all than try to make distinctions.

Robert Spencer gets nailed with this here, as in a previous statement, having nothing to do with any of this, he confessed the moderation of Aga Khan and his sect generally.

Now, Geller digs up some weak guilt-by-association stuff on him. Could actually mean something -- honestly, I have learned to strongly distrust "moderate Muslims" myself. But my point is, the evidence is tenuous and weak.

Anyway, Stein at Counter-Contempt makes the point that if even Robert Spencer, gold-star anti-Jihadist, gave Aga Khan a clean bill of health and vouched for him, why should Rick Perry be blamed for similarly thinking he checked out?

Now, Aga Khan might actually still check out. There's no actual proof he doesn't. But let's say he does turn out to be just as Geller now alleges.

Stein asks Spencer, "How can you blame Perry for making the same error you did?" To which Spencer just says something like "He's the governor, he should have known."

Why? How? Should he just have assumed he was a bad actor? Even if he were a reader of Robert Spencer and could see Robert Spencer giving him a clean bill of health and endorsing him as a genuine, peaceful moderate Muslim philanthropist?

This is what is driving me crazy. If there was an error here (and I don't know that there is), Geller and Spencer both want to hang Perry for making an error they themselves did.

Because now Perry has that taint of association.

This will not do. This will not do.

This is anti-Jihadism quickly shading into anti-Americanism.

Posted by: Ace at 02:27 AM



Comments

1 Perry is done for. He's a terrorist that's all for amnesty. Don't pretend you still want to vote for him, kids.

Jon Huntsman: No need to worry about the liberal media burying me.

Posted by: Jon Huntsman at August 26, 2011 02:32 AM (ApIyR)

2 Pam Geller has nice tits.
So, she has that going for her.

Posted by: garrett at August 26, 2011 02:34 AM (F2R3c)

3 Boy Ace do I enjoy late-night essay surprises! Especially when they're loaded with weapons-grade snark.

Like a really tasty late-night snack.

'Cept betta.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at August 26, 2011 02:36 AM (cjGZv)

4 And regarding Gellar's funbags, I second Garrett's emotion.,

Posted by: Mister Christopher at August 26, 2011 02:37 AM (cjGZv)

5 So you tell me where this fucking bullshit is coming from.
Who is putting these absurd lies out there and for what purpose?
Beats me. I don't know this inside baseball shit.
How conspiratorial can I get?
Can I do that "cui bono" thing? I guess that's Latin, so it must be smart...
Is it crazy to speculate that the DNC / leftwould benefit the most from the right tearing itself apart over shit like this...
So maybe aspects of the left are funneling this info and /or money to people to push?
Shit man... I don't know.
I can barely get my comments to publish with fucking up the formatting.

Posted by: ed at August 26, 2011 02:42 AM (Y2WVW)

6 Bad Ace! You didn't post a link to the Gellar attack.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/perrys_problematic_pals.html

Posted by: Brad at August 26, 2011 02:47 AM (kiOZw)

7 Pam Geller has nice tits.

So, she has that going for her.

Posted by: garrett at August 26, 2011 02:34 AM (F2R3c)

I googled her.
Where are they?

Posted by: CAC at August 26, 2011 02:55 AM (JEVge)

8 Damn, but that's the best write up Ace has done in a while.

Also, I'd certainly like to squeeze Gellar's fun bags.

Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2011 02:55 AM (4ixH5)

9 Where is this fucking bullshit coming from.......
Usually, scratch a liar, find a democrat.

Posted by: Case at August 26, 2011 02:56 AM (DYR2Q)

10 Finally! A great blog that I respect (this one) isnoticing that MAYBE, just MAAAAAAYYYBEEEE, now that Geller has become a talk-terror-for-dollars whore she finds terror under every freaking bush and then says ten times fast BUYMYBOOKSOYOUCANLEARNMOREBEFOREMUSLIMSKILLYOU!
In fact, buy TWO and give one to a friend, then BUY TWO MORE TOMORROW.
I'm beginning to wonder if her site loads so damn slow because it is nothing but ads for her books.

Posted by: barbarausa at August 26, 2011 02:57 AM (gRgC6)

11 Also the anti-Perry crowd have usurped the Paulians and C4Pistas for "most obvious attempts at trolling everything". It is the same damn talking points, and I am sure this one will join the existing list (Gardisil, TTC, amnesty) where they will spout memorized nonsense, then simply repeat themselves when you turn their lame arguments into swiss cheese.

Posted by: CAC at August 26, 2011 02:57 AM (JEVge)

12 OT/ A site with lots of Hurricane Irene info and links.

http://tinyurl.com/3u4tbtp

And yes I want to ride the fun bags. Weeeeee!



Posted by: Mr Fever Head at August 26, 2011 03:04 AM (ZgvjV)

13 I don't think Gellar is a liar, I just think that, for a variety of reasons, her current "standard mode" is "premature, strident overreaction."

She also has a small but fervently loyal echo chamber, which I think is a handicap more than anything. Mind you, that's pretty blog-normal, places like AoSHQ and HotAir are the exception.

I like Gellar, but she does have a "blind rant" mode that seems to be coming on a little more often. Hopefully she won't go down the path of a couple other notable members of the anti-Islamosphere.

It looks like Gellar is depending on a removed summary (and not the curriculum itself, which she is at least aware of), and some anecdotes that conflict with what others are saying about Agha Khan (I keep wanting to type Shaka Khan).

I am actually surprised Agha Khan has been under my radar, another research project (I was aware of the Ismailis but know little of their leader).

I don't think we'll see a big reconciliation here, as Gellar is definitely in the "irreconcilable differences" camp.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:04 AM (bxiXv)

14 >>>A great blog that I respect (this one) is noticing that MAYBE, just MAAAAAAYYYBEEEE, now that Geller has become a talk-terror-for-dollars whore she finds terror under every freaking bush and then says ten times fast BUYMYBOOKSOYOUCANLEARNMOREBEFOREMUSLIMSKILLYOU!

I've known she was a... special lady for a long time. I don't say so because 1 I don't do blog attack stuff much anymore and 2 she scares me and 3 for a while she was picked on by Charles Johnson and I thought it was nice she recovered and prospered.

But yeah, there is, and always was, a reason I never linked her.

She barked that question to my face -- WHY DON'T YOU EVER LINK ME?! -- years ago. I just deflected it.

Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:05 AM (nj1bB)

15 and I am sure this one will join the existing list (Gardisil, TTC, amnesty) where they will spout memorized nonsense, then simply repeat themselves when you turn their lame arguments into swiss cheese.
Posted by: CAC at August 26, 2011 02:57 AM (JEVge)

Well, this one was already out there, I recall it popping up as trollspam around the same time as the second wave of "did you hear the gay rumor" trollspam popped up, week or two ago?

It was on "the list" before Perry announced, IIRC.

And it's not even memorized, it's cut-and-paste.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:06 AM (bxiXv)

16 Khannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn!

Posted by: Captain Gellar at August 26, 2011 03:07 AM (ZgvjV)

17 Let me tell you something, my very first read on her, eight years ago, was "lunatic." And I didn't even know what her blog was. Never read her. Met her at a blog party.

Just seemed... tightly wound.

Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:08 AM (nj1bB)

18 Shouldn't you be sleeping, ace? It's, like, (does math incorrectly), 7am there?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:09 AM (bxiXv)

19 Just seemed... tightly wound.

Tighter than an airport sandwich.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at August 26, 2011 03:11 AM (cjGZv)

20 I don't think tightly wound has to equal crazy.... but she is pretty tightly wound.

I used to read her a lot, she was a super-detailed researcher and generally pretty fastidious, but she did have the capacity to leap to conclusions. And always strident.

She's a true believer, what can you do (shrugs)?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:11 AM (bxiXv)

21 She barked that question to my face -- WHY DON'T YOU EVER LINK ME?! -- years ago. I just deflected it.
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:05 AM (nj1bB)
In person? That must have been awkward.
Of course, a real alpha-male lady-killer would have realized that she was really asking for you to hit on her, and would have moved accordingly
Or so I assume.
Women aren't really my strong point.
I really ammore of a loyal wingman.
And by wingman, I mean the guy who sits at the bar and drinks alone while others talk and dance with the ladies.
Someones gotta keep the bar profitable.

Posted by: ed at August 26, 2011 03:11 AM (Y2WVW)

22 Yeah uh, can Ohio get some of that muslim outreach to educate students about it in say circa 1993, when I was in the 6th grade and we had a section on the various main stream religions around the world.
I mean holy shit, they actually admit "Palestine" is the historic homeland of the Jews? Those fiends!

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 03:12 AM (GULKT)

23 After Bing Image Searching Ms.Crazypants, there are a few that might lend themselves to a fappingly good time.

If'n yer into that sort of thing.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at August 26, 2011 03:12 AM (cjGZv)

24 Let me tell you something, my very first read on her, eight years ago, was "lunatic."

Them crazy girls are fun in the sack...you just need to let them have the top.

Posted by: garrett at August 26, 2011 03:13 AM (F2R3c)

25 I've known she was a... special lady for a long time. I don't say so because 1 I don't do blog attack stuff much anymore and 2 she scares me and 3 for a while she was picked on by Charles Johnson and I thought it was nice she recovered and prospered. But yeah, there is, and always was, a reason I never linked her. She barked that question to my face -- WHY DON'T YOU EVER LINK ME?! -- years ago. I just deflected it.
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:05 AM (nj1bB)
Don't forget her claiming you said something like "nice tits" to her in person or something along those lines.

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 03:15 AM (GULKT)

26 on a serious note, nice work ace.
I even followed the link and read the whole piece, and I never do that.

Posted by: garrett at August 26, 2011 03:17 AM (F2R3c)

27 well her second question was "YOU CALL ME ATLAS JUGGS" which I didn't -- commenters did, I avoided that -- and I just tried to be nice and say "Well they're just noticing, you do have nice jugs.'

Believe it or not I was trying to defuse Sudden Drama which I did not seek. She just joined me in a group and started venting.

Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:17 AM (nj1bB)

28 27 well her second question was "YOU CALL ME ATLAS JUGGS" which I didn't -- commenters did, I avoided that -- and I just tried to be nice and say "Well they're just noticing, you do have nice jugs.'

Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:17 AM (nj1bB)

Heh, your conflict resolution skills sound like mine.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:18 AM (bxiXv)

29 ATLAS JUGGS

Posted by: 2 x 5! at August 26, 2011 03:19 AM (F2R3c)

30 Oh, dear Lord, so we're going to frag our current best hope for a reasonably conservative GOP Prez candidate now? Are we on the Right determined to see a second Obama term? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:20 AM (fjoLg)

31 I think I've gone to her website maybe once. For whatever reason I don't think I've really missed out on much.

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 03:20 AM (GULKT)

32 we need a rootin' tootin' gun-toting yahoo right now...not a whinin' snivelin' pitching wedge totin' SCOAMF...

Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 03:22 AM (2j/Mv)

33 30 Oh, dear Lord, so we're going to frag our current best hope for a reasonably conservative GOP Prez candidate now? Are we on the Right determined to see a second Obama term? Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrgh.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:20 AM (fjoLg)
Why yes, yes we are!

Posted by: lou at August 26, 2011 03:22 AM (R21xD)

34 Never seen J. Bielat look as good as she looks on Red Eye tonight.
That dress is reminiscent of a bed sheet.

Posted by: garrett at August 26, 2011 03:22 AM (F2R3c)

35 Never go against the Assassin order.
Nothing is True, Everything is Permitted

Posted by: Altair at August 26, 2011 03:23 AM (GULKT)

36 30 Oh, dear Lord, so we're going to frag our current best hope for a reasonably conservative GOP Prez candidate now?

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:20 AM (fjoLg)

Hello, and welcome to Planet Earth! Can I hitch a ride back where you came from?

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:23 AM (bxiXv)

37
Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:05 AM (nj1bB)
Did you deflect it by squeezing her pert jugs?

Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2011 03:23 AM (4ixH5)

38 Can I hitch a ride back where you came from?

All you need is a towel.

Posted by: Ford Prefect at August 26, 2011 03:25 AM (F2R3c)

39 Hey, Merovign, how do you manage italics in Chrome? I'm using it now per your suggestion, and it doesn't have that neato effects box that it has in Firefox.

And yes, can I please have a ride back to, like, 1979? (Never thought I'd say that!)

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:26 AM (fjoLg)

40 While Westerners studied Islamic culture, Muslims showed almost no
interest in Western culture, remaining ignorant of modernity and its
impact.

HELLO!

That, in a nutshell is why islamic so-called 'culture' sucks green slimy donkey dicks....if it ain't in the koran, why learn it?

Let's keep reminding them of stuff that they presently enjoy that was invented by teh Joooos.

Fucking worthless animals....oh right, animals are smart enough to not pick fights with someone that can kick their ass any day of the week...

Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 03:30 AM (2j/Mv)

41 39 Hey, Merovign, how do you manage italics in Chrome? I'm using it now per your suggestion, and it doesn't have that neato effects box that it has in Firefox.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:26 AM (fjoLg)

Just html. (open angle bracket)em(close angle bracket)text(open angle bracket)/em(close angle bracket).

text

(let's try a trick)
text

All that being said Chrome isn't that much better than Firefox, just more stable (so far) and surprising less attitude.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:32 AM (bxiXv)

42 Left nip is the tuner, right nip is the volume control.

Your mission: to tune into Rush Limbaugh and keep the volume at a reasonable level.

Posted by: Robert at August 26, 2011 03:33 AM (4ixH5)

43 Ehh, xmp tags didn't work.

test
test

Not all html works in the box.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:34 AM (bxiXv)

44 Ace asked the question, where is this coming from. It could be someone in the republican party. I don't think so. I say its a donk. They want to pick who they run against. And that means getting rid of Perry. Perry has been getting all kinds of crap from the donks in Texas since he decided to run. This is just more of the same.

Posted by: Case at August 26, 2011 03:36 AM (FD6YW)

45 The doubts about Norquists attitude towards Islam are very well founded.

Tying Perry to *that aspect* of Norquist is much less well founded. They're good friends and work together, doesn't mean he endorses this particular shortcoming of Norquists.

Still there is nothing wrong with raising the subject and asking questions, it needs to be asked. Gellar should have been less assertive in making the accusation as if it was a done deal though.

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 26, 2011 03:37 AM (utXSy)

46 Some people also use Word to compose text and then paste it into the box. I know that works with IE I haven't tried it with Chrome.

Hang on a sec...

Try this on for size.

Nope.

Let me try saving it as HTML...

OMFG Microsoft makes the worst HTML in the entire history of the internet. I actually jerked back in my seat when I saw that code.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:38 AM (bxiXv)

47

This is why I don't like one-trick-pony blogs.

They become so focused on their "issue" that after they gain a bit of notoriety, they lose all sense of perspective.

Posted by: dan-O at August 26, 2011 03:40 AM (BAjNF)

48 like LGF?

Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 03:41 AM (2j/Mv)

49 Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 03:41 AM (2j/Mv)

That was more a case of changing one-trick ponies in mid-stream.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:45 AM (bxiXv)

50 >>> The doubts about Norquists attitude towards Islam are very well founded.

Right, he's a sap and a symp.

But if you want to now Exile everyone who "associates" with Grover through the ATR...

Not much of a party left.

But this whole passage is part of the desperation on display. Any attack, and ol' bit of random guilt-by-association data will do.

I know people say they don't trust the media and some say they trust blogs more and in theory I should think that's a good thing but... I don't.

White House Insider being cited, for example. Scam.

WND. Scam.

There's just so much bullshit. BULL-SHIT. Lies. Fictions. Fabrications.

There's an old saying that when you stop believing in something, you'll believe in anything.

Liberals fret that they don't have monolithic command of the nation's informational diet like they used to under Cronkite, when there were three network anchors and they all said the same shit (which they all got from the NYT and WaPo).

So yes, that sense of shared informational world is now shattered. And it SHOULD have been shattered, as it was a lie.

But now we seem to be getting into the downside of that, that when you stop believing in something you'll believe in anything, and we've got this kind of shit being widely read and believed.

I don't know. I just think there is an X-Files lke willingness to *believe* that is dangerous and foolish.

Posted by: ace at August 26, 2011 03:45 AM (nj1bB)

51 I know it won't be popular to say it but this is a big frigg'n problem for Perry.

Posted by: viking at August 26, 2011 03:49 AM (OZymZ)

52 I see the weirdest crossover among conspiracy minded people on the left and right... where they start believing the other sides goofy conspiracy theories.

I'm too tired to expand on it but it's a facinating topic I think

Posted by: Village Idiot at August 26, 2011 03:50 AM (utXSy)

53 At least Perry has the balls to admit when he's wrong.

Posted by: lou at August 26, 2011 03:51 AM (R21xD)

54 OT: Top Shot rules. Didn't see the first two seasons, but this third season?

In the middle of episode two now. It rawks.

Posted by: Mister Christopher at August 26, 2011 03:54 AM (cjGZv)

55 Merovign, [em]thanks.[/em]

[em]All that being said Chrome isn't that much better than Firefox, just more stable (so far) and surprising less attitude.[/em]

Heh, first time I used it, Shockwave crashed. Oh, well, as they say, your mileage may vary. It definitely loads AoS more quickly than Firefox.

[em]44
Ace asked the question, where is this coming from. It could be someone
in the republican party. I don't think so. I say its a donk. They
want to pick who they run against. And that means getting rid of Perry.[/em]

This. I don't know where it's coming from, but it sure is helping the Dems get something out there they couldn't say themselves.


Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:54 AM (fjoLg)

56 Oh, crud, I must've done something wrong. Dammit, angle brackets are the other ones! <em> le sigh.</em>

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:55 AM (fjoLg)

57 Angle bracket is <.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:56 AM (bxiXv)

58 Don't forget her claiming you said something like "nice tits" to her in person or something along those lines.
Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 03:15 AM (GULKT)

I believe it was "nice jugs" was what he said and she went off in a huff. Dunno if I dreamt that or not tho.

Posted by: CanaDave at August 26, 2011 03:56 AM (IuNVR)

59 Never mind. I'll use the *old standby*.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:56 AM (fjoLg)

60 le sigh.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:56 AM (bxiXv)

61 Odd.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 03:56 AM (bxiXv)

62 A huge long post by ace at 02:30????

I used to visit her site quite often. But she became more and more obsessed with anti Muslim stuff. It literally became boring. I am no great friend of Islam, in fact I do not consider it a religion as much as I consider it a political ideology. But when you allow your hate to take over your entire life you have gone around the bend. I quit going to her site a long time ago. Even if she does have nice tits.

As for the attacks on Perry what I have seen is the essentially the same shit as the anti-Palin/Bachmann stuff. The people that are the most fanatic about the attacks are either liberal squishes and hate the idea of ANY conservative or they have their own candidate in mind they they want to push, like Romney or Ron Paul.

I suspect that Pamela "tits" Gellar supports one of the other candidates. Probably one who has perennially polled < 5%.

Posted by: Vic at August 26, 2011 03:57 AM (M9Ie6)

63 Or just use Firefox.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 03:57 AM (fjoLg)

64 Baleful Buddha on a blazing brigantine.
Gyrating Jeebus in a jet pack.
Mad Mohammed on a mohair motorcycle.

This campaign season is going to bring out every fruitcake and his pet conspiracy theory, on both the Left and the Right.

November 2012 feels a long, long way away.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 26, 2011 03:58 AM (AZGON)

65 <em>hmmm</em>
<em> could it be spacing issues</em>

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 03:58 AM (GULKT)

66 Merovign is a Sith Lord, after all. Obviously, he has powers.

Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 04:00 AM (fjoLg)

67 Ace, thanks for the blog. Its the main course! Everyting else is just dessert. Nite

Posted by: lou at August 26, 2011 04:00 AM (R21xD)

68 That was more a case of changing one-trick ponies in mid-stream.


Or like getting caught humping your one trick pony...

Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 04:01 AM (2j/Mv)

69 BUT WHERE DOES GROVER NORQUIST STAND ON GARDASIL!!!???!!! WAKE UP SHEEPLE!1!!1!

Posted by: THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON at August 26, 2011 04:03 AM (AZGON)

70 I guess I will have to add this to the Perry eval so we can reference it in the future.

And just for CAC

http://is.gd/ENN5mo

Posted by: Vic at August 26, 2011 04:03 AM (M9Ie6)

71 i'd rather have my bully-dog for prez than the shitstain there now...allow me to release the hound!

Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 04:06 AM (2j/Mv)

72 And just for CAChttp://is.gd/ENN5mo
Posted by: Vic at August 26, 2011 04:03 AM (M9Ie6)
She's very obviously proud of her tits...ace was just trying to be nice...

Posted by: CanaDave at August 26, 2011 04:06 AM (IuNVR)

73 RICK PERRY WANTS TO CONVERT TEXAS TO THE AMERO AND DRIVE A ELEVENTY LANE SUPERHIWAY FROM MEXICO TOWN TO FORT MARY WORTH!!! I HAVE SEEN EVIDIENCE!!11! THE GUBBERMINT WONT PAY FOR MY HOVER ROUND NO MORE AND BEN BERNAKKE STOLE MY CABLE BOX1!!!

Posted by: THE CAPS LOCK BUTTON at August 26, 2011 04:07 AM (AZGON)

74 Everyting=everything, oops. Nite

Posted by: lou at August 26, 2011 04:08 AM (R21xD)

75 66 Merovign is a Sith Lord, after all. Obviously, he has powers.
Posted by: Otis Criblecoblis at August 26, 2011 04:00 AM (fjoLg)

Drat, they figured it out!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 04:08 AM (bxiXv)

76 CAPS!

BEN BUKAKKE WOULD HAVE MADE IT FUNNY!

Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 04:09 AM (2j/Mv)

77 Well, now that we all know Perry is a feeelthy dhimmi, I guess we can go to bed.

Things will only get weirder tomorrow. So, we have that going for us.

Posted by: George Orwell what knows Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure at August 26, 2011 04:10 AM (AZGON)

78 Blog parties? They have those? Wow, I can only imagine what I've been missing...


Posted by: Buddy Bizarre at August 26, 2011 04:17 AM (y+LPw)

79 Oh good lord I cannot believe that this shit is going on. Gellar is a bit of a nut, a one issue person, and shockingly, calls our only hope to beat O'dipshit a dhimmi and whatever else.

I guess we should just let O'dipshit get re-elected so certain people can make alot more money off of their new spooky anti-Obama books. Can't do that if a Republican wins.

Nobody who cares about this country, or is a genuine conservative, would EVER allow O'dipshit to be re-elected.. Even if it meant you'd lose your money making speechifying and antiObama books.

She, and anyone like her should be called out as a phoney conservative like the many Republican staffers polluting Washington who come out with "scathing, insider info!!11" books. You know, scumbags like Nicole Wallace, who worked for Palin, and at the same time leaked lies to the media that she didn't know Africa was a continent, and that China isn't in Europe and whatever else. Its people like her that intentionally torpedo campaigns just to write books

Operation Leper

Posted by: Billy Barty at August 26, 2011 04:18 AM (Tv6z3)

80 gonna call it a morning...sweet dreams, fellow morons....

Posted by: model_1066 at August 26, 2011 04:19 AM (2j/Mv)

81 I don't think many peeps, even Paulians, thinks they're gonna get O re-elected. Maybe a few desperately bitter people, but generally it's just wishcasting beyond reason.

I think a lot of the Paulians and other minor-candidate peeps are like Lotto players - they figure if they keep buying tickets (voting in online polls), sooner or later they're bound to win!

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 04:22 AM (bxiXv)

82 Make light now about it but its a problem. Let's see how its addressed. It is an issue of relevance.

Posted by: viking at August 26, 2011 04:25 AM (OZymZ)

83 Speaking of wishcasting.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 04:29 AM (bxiXv)

84 82 Make light now about it but its a problem. Let's see how its addressed. It is an issue of relevance.
Posted by: viking at August 26, 2011 04:25 AM (OZymZ)
Seems like its only an issue if you want to make an issue of it. And it really only seems like you'd want to make an issue of it if you didn't read about what the "educating children about Islam" actually included.

Posted by: buzzion at August 26, 2011 04:29 AM (GULKT)

85 OMG!!! Ace!!! Eleventy!


Really?

Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 26, 2011 04:29 AM (SyLEU)

86 I think your right Vic. Fortunately the vibe she gives off keeps people from taking her too seriously. That and the makeup.

Posted by: pawn at August 26, 2011 04:30 AM (iMsF6)

87 @73 BRILLIANT!!! CAPS ON FULL TILT... CONSPIRACY!!!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 26, 2011 04:30 AM (SyLEU)

88 81 I don't think many peeps, even Paulians, thinks they're gonna get O re-elected. Maybe a few desperately bitter people, but generally it's just wishcasting beyond reason.

I have a slight difference of tone. I am very worried that even if all the sniping from the fruitcakes on the fringe has little effect, beating Obama next year will be a very close thing. Far too many on the right think the game is in the bag. It is not. Not by a long shot.

Prediction: everyone now puffing that "Obama is toast" will have very queasy stomachs, come election eve. The media will sacrifice themselves to drag him over the finish line if it means keeping Perry or Romney or any Repub out of the WH.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 26, 2011 04:32 AM (AZGON)

89 She may be wrong, but she makes great points.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at August 26, 2011 04:34 AM (NHeC0)

90 ...both of them.

Posted by: Rex the Wonder God at August 26, 2011 04:35 AM (NHeC0)

91 Okay, I admit it. I'd hit Gellar like an Epsilon Eridani abducting Art Bell.

But she would have to use duct tape for lip gloss.

Posted by: George Orwell at August 26, 2011 04:41 AM (AZGON)

92 George O is right. We're total fools not to assume it will be a tough election.

Obama will practice some kind of brinksmanship that plays off fears. That's his classic tactic. The media will smear. And some of the voters are clearly pretty stupid or we wouldn't be in this mess in the first place.

We can take nothing for granted with stakes so high.

It's a very good thing for Romney-bots (or whoever-bots) to bash Perry with whatever the hell they can come up with. If he's good enough to beat Obama, he can withstand that crap now. There's no way to avoid the attacks at some point.


Posted by: Dustin at August 26, 2011 04:41 AM (fF625)

93 Geller link doesn't work.

So, in their minds, Cain is evil because he hates Muslims. Perry is evil because he loves them.

Hypocrisy coming from the Left is no real surprise.

Posted by: Sgt. York at August 26, 2011 04:49 AM (gzquD)

94 I'm going to allow for Gellar to have made a mistake and just admit she never read the curriculum. So she should humble herself and apologize loudly and move on.

otherwise, she's got no credibility with me anymore. And I would say I'm a fan and have been for some time. If she can't be reliable with information, that's a shame. But people do make mistakes and should be given a chance to correct them.

Posted by: Dustin at August 26, 2011 04:49 AM (fF625)

95 oh, wait... this just in ..... Prince Golfsalot is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable FAILURE!!!!! AAAAHHHHH. DAMN!

Posted by: Yip in Texas at August 26, 2011 04:50 AM (SyLEU)

96 On the Perry issue looks like the AOS poll topped out with him at 4150 votes (77%).

The Morons (and lurkers) like them sum Perry.

Posted by: Vic at August 26, 2011 04:52 AM (M9Ie6)

97 And on that note, I have to go. Will be back later today.

No news this morning folks.

Posted by: Vic at August 26, 2011 04:53 AM (M9Ie6)

98 I never thought that Pamela was a bigot, just little bit hysterical

But it turns out she really does just freaking hate all Muslims.

The liberal blogs were actually right about something. My head is going to explode.

Now I'm concerned that Robert Spencer isn't as reliable as I thought he was.

Posted by: Justin at August 26, 2011 04:55 AM (yoAYX)

99
I'll paste what Jack Wheeler has to say about Ismailis . His is a pay site, so I can't link to it but can copy a representative portion. The following week Geller got on the bandwagon of wrong info.

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His accusation is that Perry is buds with the Aga Khan.Somehow, that means he will promote the imposition of radical Moslem sharia law upon America if president.The Aga Khan is indeed, as Elliott says, the spiritual leader of a form of Islam called Ismailism, and is revered by the some 20 million Ismailis round the world.

We talked about the Ismailis in The Pair Knot (September 2010).We learned that they "believe in a mystical, peaceful form of Islam that is the antithesis of hate, violence, and Sharia imperialism that infuses mainstream Sunni or Shia Islam."

Further:

"There are no mosques in the Pamirs, because Ismailis have no mosques. They pray privately - men and women together. Ismaili men are extremely respectful of women. The thought of treating women as an inferior form of humanity as does mainstream Islam is as disgusting to Ismaili men as it is to us. No Ismaili man would even think of demanding his wife wear a veil or cover her face in public...

"Up in these lost mountains on the roof of the world, there is a form of Islam that should be a model for Moslems all over the world, a moral contrast to the medieval evil of Wahhabi Islam of the Saudis, the Deobandi Islam of the Taliban, or the Khomeini Islam of the Mullahs of Iran."

Which is why the Islamist missionaries of sharia hate Ismailis more than us infidels.So good for Perry being friends with Ismailis. To claim this makes him "pro-sharia" is a twisted joke.

But maybe Elliott wants the joke to be on us.Maybe he does know the difference between Ismailis and Wahhabis, and is counting on conservatives being ignorant enough not to know.His goal is to smear Perry, and is hoping conservative ignorance will achieve it.

Let's not let this lib smear artist get away with it.

Posted by: Jimmah at August 26, 2011 05:01 AM (TfRqk)

100 Pamala has tits? Who knew.
What did the left tit say to the right tit?
Your just a perky implant.
What did the right tit say to the left tit.
Tits can't talk. Sag Bitch.

Posted by: saltmarsh at August 26, 2011 05:10 AM (IzRP3)

101 Wow Ace! Thanks for linking that article!

I've always been wary and suspicious of WND and Pam.. Even tho I saw CJ degenerate daily, and freeking out on her, I didn't think she was what he was saying. (and she still prob isnt that far as he thinks)

She's very misguided, and under-informed on this issue, thats obvious now, and even when I first saw it, I thought, WHAT? I live in Texas, and I never heard of his kowtowing to Islam (the Mansfield Islam course was FED funded).. I mean, they tried to grill him with everything else on the local news, why not this too!? (especially with Rove n Co. trying to push him out for KBH *shudder*)

"WHY DON'T YOU EVER LINK ME?!" (wild.. did she have more Val-u-rite than you did that night??)

Thanks again Ace, I dont always agree, and we have had our fights, but I still read you first every day!

(long time lurker, simi poster)

Posted by: JarvisW at August 26, 2011 05:30 AM (8yPsP)

102 Thanks for the headsup. I had been hearing rumors around the edges. You brought out the details of the rumors and buried them at the same. Nice trick, even if, technically, I don't think it's a trick at all. The truth can do that. From what I perceive all around, I'll take your word and proof on this.

Posted by: Doom at August 26, 2011 05:30 AM (1awZ0)

103 Jimmah at August 26, 2011 05:01 AM (TfRqk)

Thanks for that info too!

Posted by: JarvisW at August 26, 2011 05:32 AM (8yPsP)

104 Blog Party?

Fuck that. I want to see a commentator party. Imagine the stimulative effect of all the val-u-rite sold and hobo hunts planned.

Someone tell Krugman

Posted by: Zakn at August 26, 2011 05:43 AM (q/891)

105 Ismaili muslims are not like Sunni or Shia. They do not preach a literal interpretation of the Koran. They are an extremely cosmopolitan and educated group, with none of the tribalism and sheer ignorance of the larger muslim world. They are, in fact, considered apostates by the obsevant Sunni and Shia, and are persecute in much of the Islamic world. There are very large numbers of them in Canada, and they are integrated extremely well, never been associated with terrorism, and are economically very successful.

I work with a couple of them, and they are as Canadian as any Canadian I know.

If the Ismaili represented all of Islam in the world, there would be no Islamic problem at all. They, in fact, would fight back against fundamentalist Islam better than we can.

Gellar has beclowned herself.

Posted by: CanadianGuy at August 26, 2011 05:57 AM (mZReO)

106 She looks like a man from the neck up. Check the hands.

Posted by: Vincent Vega at August 26, 2011 06:05 AM (d4vjp)

107 Excellent assessment of the curriculum Ace. As someone with a huge anti-Islam bias who has taught in Catholic Schools I would have no problem introducing those points into a religion class; that is if an overview of other religions was something that the Archdiocese approved.

Now as an AoS moron, something I've learned over the years is that women with nice racks seem to get hysterical over the smallest things -- a victory for hormones over logic, or something. If you want the pleasure of the nice rack, it's easier to tolerate the hysterical-ness I think. In Pam's case, I turned her off years ago. She's like an 11 (on a 0-10 scale) on the daily grimace and shake your head in befuddlement index .

Posted by: Anonymous at August 26, 2011 06:22 AM (IhHdM)

108 I bet that Texas class opens with the old Bugs Bunny cartoons about Muslims

Posted by: Jean at August 26, 2011 06:23 AM (kUxiO)

109 I smell Rove behind this, and Buttboy Hannity behind Rove. But they are grate grate grating Americans, not like Rick Perry

Posted by: working Man's PhD at August 26, 2011 06:27 AM (le5qc)

110 Great post Ace. Nice tits Pam.

Posted by: working man's PhD at August 26, 2011 06:32 AM (le5qc)

111 Are we absolutely sure that the the Aga Khan didn't send him a racehorse for Christmas, that he keeps just for fun, for a laugh, ah ha ha ha?

Posted by: Botec at August 26, 2011 06:32 AM (xQGL/)

112 The CJ-Gellar comparison is frightfully on target.

Posted by: flyby at August 26, 2011 06:36 AM (ucq49)

113 I've worked with Ismiles for 15 years here in Texas. They are all very proud of their friendship with Rick. The Ismiles ( also called AhaKhanes) mainly own convenience stores and hotels. They are hard workers and very private people. They ALL keep a picture of Aga Khan in their business as a "good luck" token. The worst "sin" possible for them is consuming pork items. My favorite subjects are religion and politics, so I tell them it's great to be a Christian cuz we can eat anything! If we can get it on a grill, we can eat it!!
Now what they are not is religious. They can't tell you squat about the koran. They're like episcopalians in that regard. They go to "church" (jamat kana) twice a day, but they don't "worship" as I do in my Baptist church. They talk business. In church. That's what their "church" is for. Business. The shites and sunnis despise them. They are a cult within Islam just as Jehovah Witnesses and Mormans are within Christianity. I like doing business with them because they want to make money. Just like me.
Sharia law and Ismilies go together like oil and water. All they care about is green pictures of dead presidents.

Posted by: Bro. Bill at August 26, 2011 06:53 AM (03Kdo)

114 Meet your next Sect of Ed, that guy earned himself a job with that smack down

Posted by: Jean at August 26, 2011 06:57 AM (kUxiO)

115 This is what I wake up to?
Great 2am EDT article, Ace. And like Breitbart I read all the comments. I hope Pam gets her notions corrected. She's got a lot of great energy passion, I hate to see it wasted on nonsense.

Posted by: Corona at August 26, 2011 07:01 AM (fh2Y7)

116 The old timers here know i am from India and as anti jihadi as one can get. So draw your own conclusions:
Adherents of Aga Khan's sect are largely in India, and I know quite a few of them. Law abiding, educated and moderate folks. Perry has done his homework well.

Posted by: Tushar at August 26, 2011 07:12 AM (6bGT8)

117 I tried to trace the link to Kevin Bacon but got lost.

Posted by: Dirk Hardpec at August 26, 2011 07:15 AM (e8T35)

118 nice to see you again tushar.

Posted by: Uncle Jed at August 26, 2011 07:17 AM (kBWjM)

119 Thanks for your insight Tushar!

Posted by: JarvisW at August 26, 2011 07:19 AM (8yPsP)

120 Tushar!

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 07:23 AM (GTbGH)

121 Do not taunt happy fun bags.
Couple things, one Gellar's a big Palin fan so any criticism of any other candidate must be viewed with that in mind. Second Gellar always posts without thinking or researching then never admits she's wrong, just the way she is. And lastly. I think she just likes creating conflict, she enjoys it.

Posted by: lowandslow at August 26, 2011 07:27 AM (GZitp)

122 O/T Buffet's a little old for selling his soul. Meh. Guess he sold it a long time ago. He's probably Dr. Faustus.

Posted by: dagny at August 26, 2011 07:29 AM (PSypz)

123 Gellar does have nice tits, though

Posted by: beedubya at August 26, 2011 07:32 AM (AnTyA)

124 Pam Gellar comments here as Gore88.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 07:33 AM (GTbGH)

125
93 Geller link doesn't work.So, in their minds, Cain is evil because he hates Muslims. Perry is evil because he loves them.Hypocrisy coming from the Left is no real surprise.
Posted by: Sgt. York at August 26, 2011 04:49 AM (gzquD)
No. Geller's no libtard. She's misinformed here--having a knee jerk reaction to anything pro=muslim. She's a jew who actually grasps what the muslims would like to do to jews.

Posted by: dagny at August 26, 2011 07:39 AM (PSypz)

126 So let me get this straight:

Perry is a redneck tea-partying cowboy... that is ALSO a dhimmi?

Methinks "Dhimmi" means not what Perry's critics think it means...

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 07:45 AM (niZvt)

127 Sounds like another pissed off Mittens supporter.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 26, 2011 07:45 AM (TRY5W)

128 2
Pam Geller has nice tits.

So, she has that going for her.

Posted by: garrett at August 26, 2011 02:34 AM (F2R3c)

And at the end of the day...

Isn't that what REALLY matters to us morons?

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 07:48 AM (niZvt)

129 SE Cupp, too, has terrific tits. I don't know about her views on Islam, though, because whenever she comes on, all I do is stare at her tits.

I would love to see SE Cupp in eyeglass-patterned bikinis: the top designed to look just like a pair of glasses, with the "lenses" placed strategically over each boobs and straps looking like the part of eyeglasses that go around the side of the head and ears.

That would be hawt.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 07:52 AM (niZvt)

130 Thanks for the informative post Ace. I knew the Khan was a philantropist and that's all. Now I know much more and it seems the Ismalis are cool. As for Pam, looks like she shot herself in the foot in her rush to do a Dan Rather.
I get the feeling too many of the Republican candidates operatives are of the 'take no prisoner' mentality that tactically makes sense but strategicly leaves them crippled because they alienated the other candidates' supporters. A bunch of insider mercenaries with no loyalty to anything but their paychecks and winning, country comes in fourth. Reagan would not be happy.

Posted by: Anna Puma at August 26, 2011 07:57 AM (iFHlU)

131 Ismailis...you know, the peaceful bunch who invented the fucking HASHASHINS who gave birth to the word assassins.

Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 07:57 AM (LxMKC)

132 @130: I think what is REALLY going on is a residue of anti-Bush feeling in the conservative base.

Bush W. was from Texas; Perry is too.

Bush W. has that accent; so does Perry.

Ergo, it follows Perry must be JUST LIKE BUSH.

Well, Perry slashed the Texan budget to eliminate a massive deficit. Is that not the distinction between him and W. that matters?

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:01 AM (niZvt)

133 131 Ismailis...you know, the peaceful bunch who invented the fucking HASHASHINS who gave birth to the word assassins.
Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 07:57 AM (LxMKC)

Well, to be fair to the medieval Hashashins... they started that shit up after the Crusaders took Jerusalem and by their own proud admission slaughtered all 30,000 inhabitants. As one Crusader described it, in places the Knights were wading knee deep in blood.

Not taking sides with the Muslims - the genocide they committed against the Christian civilization of the Levant, North Africa, and Spain speaks for itself. But the Crusaders hardly distinguished themselves when it came to violence.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:04 AM (niZvt)

134 Obama was an empty slate on which everyone could project their wet dreams.

Perry is some sort of Manticore that paradoxically embodies everything everyone hates. He's a gay fundamentalist Christian Muslim Cowboy extremist wacko. Yeehaw!

Posted by: Bald Ninja at August 26, 2011 08:05 AM (tB1LF)

135 Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:04 AM (niZvt)

True that. But peaceful is a bit of a stretch when it comes to Islamic cults that are hated/cosidered Shirk by the mainstream Islam. Alawites are another example.

Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 08:09 AM (LxMKC)

136 @134: Dude. MY Wet Dreams were always projected directly into my jammies. And they never involved anyone that looked REMOTELY like Obama.

SE Cupp, YES.

Obama... No.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:10 AM (niZvt)

137 Dude, seriously.

I don't think anyone can accuse me of mollycoddling Muslims. So I'm reading this curriculum and thinking, "Hey, what's with the hate speech?"

I've never been a fan of Pamela Geller. Yes, I realize she's a skinny gal with big titties. It forever amuses me that she complained that the first thing Ace said to her when she met him at an event was, "You have great jugs."

Stick to titty vlogging from an Israeli beach, dumbass. You're doing even less for your credibility than the pic of you dipped in Supergirl latex.

Call us when you release a legit sex tape.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 26, 2011 08:12 AM (lGFXF)

138 Thank you very much for this.

I like Pam, saw her speak in DC at a Free Speech conference and could relate to her anger and frustrations. So I was very disturbed to read what she said about Perry.

This explains a lot! Ace, you're ace.

Posted by: carol in london at August 26, 2011 08:15 AM (mQOg4)

139 Stick to titty vlogging from an Israeli beach, dumbass. You're doing even less for your credibility than the pic of you dipped in Supergirl latex.

Call us when you release a legit sex tape.
Posted by: Empire of Jeff at August 26, 2011 08:12 AM (lGFXF)

Maybe she needs time on a casting couch to encourage her future titty porn career. Mine is available, and easily hosed down between takes!!

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:20 AM (niZvt)

140 So, I never really saw a picture of her. Maybe it's her makeup, but she's got the crazy eyes.

Posted by: GMan at August 26, 2011 08:21 AM (sxq57)

141 --and cannot attempt any overtures or any sort of goodwill gestures towards Muslim

Geller certainly seems wrong in her assessment of Perry and the education program, but you are also incorrect, here. You are exhibiting one of the standard Western mistakes towards islam - you don't understand it. There is NO concept of goodwill in the islamic world. Westerners keep toiling, trying to build up "goodwill" with cultures that not only have no respect for the concept, but laugh at the idea.

Anyone attempting overtures towards islam or tries to build up any sort of goodwill with them is engaged in a fool's task. And a very dangerous one, at that.

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 26, 2011 08:23 AM (F5tJy)

142 I learned everything I need to know about the Ismailis from a women who works in the cubicle next to me - she is one. She wears completely modern clothing, shows cleavage, (she has a great rack), and on casual Fridays wears tight fitting jeans. I often follow her when she goes to the lunchroom for a coffee, but usually only on Fridays. From what she says, she is a typical representative of her sect. Like I said, nice ass, nice rack, likes to display both, all I need to know.

Posted by: Greg at August 26, 2011 08:23 AM (H0lcY)

143 The Pirate Community is braced for the coming days. We suspect that this upcoming election will be more than just vicious, and will create vast chasms in the electorate.Thereare decks of race cards just waiting to be played, not just by the African American community, but also by all the other minorities. There will be riots.
The USA will never again be the same after 2012. It will change everything, permanently. Most likely, this will not be a good thing.

Posted by: Pirate Pelf Lucre at August 26, 2011 08:24 AM (wN82N)

144 I am a big fan of both Geller and Spencer. So it would seem they may be wrong here but that is hardly worth tossing them to the wolves. We know they feel the same way about Islam how Ace feels about women Republican politicians so this whole thing is kinda a wash....

Posted by: Hurricane at August 26, 2011 08:24 AM (NrdQS)

145 We know they feel the same way about Islam how Ace feels about women Republican politicians so this whole thing is kinda a wash....
Posted by: Hurricane at August 26, 2011 08:24 AM (NrdQS)

Here Come the Palinistas!

Give it a break, guy. Christine O'Donnell can't even handle a CNN interview without exploding, Palin attacks friendly journalists based on the dumb staffers advice, and Bachmann - whom I agree with on many, many issues - is just a member of Congress with No Executive Experience Whatsoever (If I remember correctly - and I DO - lack of executive experience was ALWAYS one of our Big Beefs with Obama, too).

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:30 AM (niZvt)

146 Geller is a HUGE FAN of SARAH PALIN.
The Palinbots are all over this.
They are desperate to de-rail Rick Perry.
Other conservative women are jumping on the tracks in an attempt to de-rail Rick Perry because they believe that Sarah Palin is the 2nd coming.

Posted by: izoneguy at August 26, 2011 08:31 AM (i6Neb)

147 (If I remember correctly - and I DO - lack of executive experience was ALWAYS one of our Big Beefs with Obama, too).

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:30 AM (niZvt)
No. It was lack of ANY experience that was one of the problems with the Indonesian Imbecile. The "lack of executive experience" is just a general argument that people like to make about any Congressmen who run. Barky didn't even have real experience as a legislator, as he bugged out of most votes in Illinois and never did anything in Washington but run for Precedent.Barky's biggest problem, though, was that he's an idiot and unable to run anything (even if he wanted to run it well, which has never been Barky's intention for anything, luckily as he was totally unable, anyway).

Posted by: progressoverpeace at August 26, 2011 08:35 AM (F5tJy)

148 If Pam Geller really wants to imitate Debbie Schlussel, she's going to have to put on more weight.

Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 26, 2011 08:36 AM (7EV/g)

149 The problem with Gellar is that to her if you don't exhibit a thnnly veiled "nuke them til they glow" attitude towards Muslims you are suspect of being a Dhimmi

Posted by: quilly mammoth at August 26, 2011 08:37 AM (AWahI)

150 Ace, like a BIG HE-MAN, only pays attention to Gellar when he wants to attack her. Gellar has a second article where she defends herself against charges others have made because she criticized Perry: http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/smearing_geller_on_perry.html

Posted by: I Agree More With Pam at August 26, 2011 08:44 AM (fMzd7)

151 Gellar is a dumb ass who jumped the shark a loooooooooooong time ago.

Posted by: RWC at August 26, 2011 08:44 AM (fWAjv)

152 So this "Pam Gellar" person is kind of a Michelle Malkin type with a better rack? What is it with all the foot-stamping and outrageous outrage, anyway?

Some so-called "conservatives" are starting to sound like lefty wackos, and that's all kinds of no good. Is it something in the water? Maybe their monthlies kickin' in?

Well, no, the latter wouldn't apply to Cahrels Jnohsin. I don't think so, anyway.

Nice inside baseball stuff, Ace. But, in the end, it all seems kinda pointless to stress about what Gellar is saying or doing. She has the approximate power of the the TV news sports guy in North Rabbit Tail, South Dakota.

Posted by: MrScribbler at August 26, 2011 08:45 AM (YjjrR)

153 Idle time, idle minds.

Posted by: Tsar Nicholas II at August 26, 2011 08:46 AM (iRlbA)

154 Rick Perry is a phoney.

He'll be a footnote by the nomination.

Posted by: Oh, Hi Mark at August 26, 2011 08:50 AM (DDg6u)

155 148 If Pam Geller really wants to imitate Debbie Schlussel, she's going to have to put on more weight.
Posted by: somebody else, not me at August 26, 2011 08:36 AM (7EV/g)

And get a boobie reduction.. which would be a damned shame.

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 08:51 AM (niZvt)

156 Posted by: I Agree More With Pam at August 26, 2011 08:44 AM (fMzd7)

We would pay more attention to you if you weren't simply a PaulBot or a Palinista dropping by to cause trouble.

Now go home and get your fucking shine box.


Posted by: CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative)) at August 26, 2011 08:51 AM (LH6ir)

157 Rabbit Tail


Posted by: MrScribbler at August 26, 2011 08:45 AM (YjjrR)
Never had any. How is it?

Posted by: Typical disgusting moron at August 26, 2011 08:52 AM (LH6ir)

158 BTW: Did I ever mention I'm Executive Director and Senior Research Fellow at Just Barking Mad?

Posted by: quilly mammoth at August 26, 2011 08:59 AM (AWahI)

159 I do Like the idea of raising awareness of a possible moderate Islam.
Give them more voice as we mariginalize the bigotry , hate and soullessness of extreme Islam (or regular islam ) however one looks at it. I have always thought giving ones like CAIR any standing while rarely giving a strong voice or some credence to Zhudi Jasser ,
Heckle extremism Don't be respectful to Shia or Sunni be respectful and supportive publically of real moderates?
I might be dreaming but i hope some day we can drive extremists into permanent embarrassment and shame.

Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 08:59 AM (h+qn8)

160 Even if Perry is a dhim ...

how is that worse than having a White House occupant that bows to the King of Mecca, was raised schooled as a muslim in a foreign country and thinks that the islamic call to terror prayer is the most beautiful thing he has ever heard?

Posted by: Mark E at August 26, 2011 09:05 AM (w5RwR)

161 Thanks for this post, ace. I never go to Pam's site or most of the "anti-jihad" sites (except Jawa, which is devoid of this paranoid as far as I can tell). Did you de-louse afterward?

I wonder if MM will latch onto this non-troversy.


Rick is looking better and better.


Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 09:05 AM (5H6zj)

162 Maybe Malkin and Gellar are down on Perry because of gender identity politics. Perry knocked a strong conservative woman out of the lead, or at least took the wind from her sails.

Posted by: California red at August 26, 2011 09:16 AM (DXTKe)

163 This is just like the rumors that Rick Perry's wife Anita caught him in the act of having gay sex with former Texas Secretary of State Geoff Connor, screamed at him the next day from her office phone and struck a quick deal to avoid divorce and let him have affairs with one of the two taxpayer-funded chefs at his mansion.

Not confirmed.

Posted by: Snopes.com at August 26, 2011 09:20 AM (4+jZU)

164 Well on this one, I'll have to say that Ms. Gellar will have to clean the crap out of her ears---which she got there because her head was up the old wazoo when she wrote that piece.

Posted by: Comanche Voter at August 26, 2011 09:21 AM (3ESDJ)

165 So... a women, who does more good then bad..alot more , is ridiculed for having a slow loading site..?. eloquent reading . If you dont appreciate something dont buy it period.. and even so, if its to battle anything to do with the dismantleing of our western culture which she does with tempered vigil, I say all the power to her... ALSO..Where theres smoke theres often fire. in case most havent realized there is a fire.. some battle it some just are to numb to fight others seem eager to fan it...why do so many sink to such a low level as to make pathetic remarks on her Body parts? would you prefer she be covered in a full beehive suit and veil..and beenquieted for being a second class citizen? ... One thing is absolute.. Islamists have and continue to attack violently and in stealth... unite to fight ...
if Perry is the Man he will be in..by there fruits you will know them.
G-d has his plan by the way

Posted by: whoareyou at August 26, 2011 09:22 AM (jlgE5)

166 Not to change the subject but wtf is with this dominionism that the left is flogging? Its a level of mentally retarded that almost makes me want to cry. We're a country of hundreds of different denominations of Christianity that can't agree on shit but yet we're planning the religious conquest of America? This is a level of stupid that my brain just can't measure, the idiocy in this memo is so bad that I think it could warp the fabric of space and time.

Posted by: Drew in MO at August 26, 2011 09:23 AM (k4qA8)

167 Towards the end of his career, James Jesus Angleton, hard-drinking, chain-smoking and sometimes brilliant CIA counterintelligence chief, became lost in that 'wilderness of mirrors' he talked about and started believing just about everyone was a spy, a communist, or a fellow traveler, including Henry Kissinger, of all people. When Kissinger heard of Angleton's suspicions, he shrugged it off, remarking that good, dedicated people whose job it is to suspect everyone and trust no one would naturally become paranoid over time. It is a hazard of the profession.
Same thing here with Pamela Gellar and--probably to a lesser degree--Robert Spencer. They're good people who have become so microscopically immersed in their struggle that they are unable to step back and view things with any kind of real perspective. The struggle is all they know, all they see, and after a while they start seeing enemies everywhere.
Further, I don't think it is fair to compare Pam Gellar to Charles Johnson, since his spiral into irrelevance was the result of ego and emotional instability, not over-zealous dedication to a cause. Johnson needs to step away from his keyboard, move out of whatever basement he's working from, cut off that ridiculous ponytail,sell his bike, and get a real job in the real world. Pam, on the other hand, just needs a vacation.

Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2011 09:24 AM (vtiE6)

168 Geller is far too excitable for her own good. She has done good things, and her overall concern is valid. The problem she has is that there is no degree of separation from Islam that will reassure her as to the genuine good will of any prominent Muslim, short of apostasy. Thus, any kind of arrangement a non-Muslim makes with a Muslim renders the former a dhimmi. I hate the term, given how the Left gets into a state of frothing arousal using it, but it is McCarthy-esque. All Geller has is a hammer, thus all problems are nails. By Geller's "logic," the fact Monty doesn't do Friday DOOM posts makes him a dhimmi. Assuming, of course, he's not spending the day at mosque.
What's more worrisome is that Robert Spencer is far too deferential to her. Spencer is great and I have six of his books. He is must reading, and really the only prominent antidote to academia's ass-kissing genuine dhimmitude. But he risks his credibility when he backtracks on Geller's say so. The Ismailis are about as innocuous as Islam gets.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 26, 2011 09:34 AM (W54Uh)

169 Barack Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failiure.

Posted by: Major Kong at August 26, 2011 09:35 AM (G1Agr)

170 Gellar's springs are wound a little too tight. She has nice tits and a bitable ass though, so there's that...

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 09:36 AM (OlN4e)

171 So, when are Pam and Charles going to start dating?


Posted by: A Balrog of Morgoth at August 26, 2011 09:40 AM (9CM5J)

172 140
So, I never really saw a picture of her. Maybe it's her makeup, but she's got the crazy eyes.

Yep. Maybe that's why she plays up the boobies, so you're not looking up.

Posted by: Barack Obama is a Stuttering Clusterfuck of a Miserable Failure Ebook at August 26, 2011 09:42 AM (MMC8r)

173 My best friend is a lawyer and had a case representing someone against the Aga Kahn. In papers going back and forth the Aga Kahn's attorney would refer to him as H.H. Aga Kahn, His Holiness Aga Kahn. My friend would refer to him as Mr. Kahn. Eventually the other side sent a letter asking that he refer to him by H.H. Aga Kahn. My friend replied that since his client did not recognize earth bound dieties, he would continue to refer to him as Mr. Kahn.
Still makes me laugh years and years later.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at August 26, 2011 09:46 AM (QQztO)

174 So we now acknowledge the existence of moderate Moslems? Perry really is a miracle worker, isn't he?

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 09:47 AM (NdXhE)

175 Not to change the subject but wtf is with this dominionism that the left is flogging?

Soothie coined a good term for it: Christian Fascism

It's two, two, two bogeymen in one!

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 09:47 AM (GTbGH)

176 Posted by: whoareyou

Scanning for hidden code ....

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 09:49 AM (GTbGH)

177 Obama is a stuttering clusterfuck of a miserable failure.

Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 09:49 AM (pV6cO)

178 Posted by: California red at August 26, 2011 09:16 AM (DXTKe)
Malkin has...issues

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at August 26, 2011 09:49 AM (yAor6)

179 Yeah,I knew ace would get around to this.I've been very disappointed in Jihadwatch because of this.They do good and important work but this is ridiculous.

Posted by: steevy at August 26, 2011 09:52 AM (pV6cO)

180 At least Pamela has two redeeming qualities (the right one, and the left one).

As for Malkin...

Posted by: CoolCzech at August 26, 2011 09:53 AM (niZvt)

181
Ummm... we're not allowed to talk with Grover Norquist anymore, Pam?
Can't sign his anti-tax pledges? I guess all those conservative pols
and wonks going to the Blankday Morning Meetings are, what? Jihadis,
now?

Joe Biden told me that the Tea Party was a bunch of terrorists. Apparently, he didn't know they where jihadis, too. If he and the rest of the Dems knew that, they'd be much much nicer in the comments...

Maxine Waters, I'm looking at you with jihadi eyes.

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at August 26, 2011 09:55 AM (1hM1d)

182 the brown people are coming to get me! purity or die! RINOS everywhere!

Posted by: Malkin's Crazy Eyes at August 26, 2011 09:55 AM (yAor6)

183 Can't we just concentrate on the fact Perry sucks dick?

Posted by: tom at August 26, 2011 09:55 AM (Ou4YC)

184 ok im done lol

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at August 26, 2011 09:55 AM (yAor6)

185 When did Bush coddle up to 'moderate' Muslims? This slander is not unlike Geller.

Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 09:59 AM (0FEvE)

186 Can't we just concentrate on the fact Perry sucks dick?

And bangs strippers. He's ecumenical!

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 09:59 AM (GTbGH)

187 Geller is a pair of tits!

Posted by: Profiterole at August 26, 2011 10:00 AM (0vFVj)

188 How about that ... someone on the right notices that there can be anti-Islamic nuts!

Posted by: Chuckit at August 26, 2011 10:00 AM (fuzcN)

189 I've been saying this for years on this site, that there are a great many moderate Moslems. I've lived almost exclusively in Moslem countries--Jordan and Turkey--since 1995, all but three of those years. I have worked with, worked for, done business with, dated, slept with, broken bread with, sat next to at movies and restaurants and bars, more Moslems in real life than most on this site have seen on TV. And I don't say that to be a snot. I've often thought of writing this, but never have, and now seems a good time. I would like to extend an open invitation for anyone on this site to visit me in Jordan. I, of course, can't pay for travel, but I will put you up and feed you, and show you around, and introduce you to the people I know. And then maybe the Islamic world might look different to you, and the necessity of separating Islam from Moslems themselves more apparent. This is a serious offer, good anytime, as long as I'm still living in this area of the world. Anyone interested, please let me know.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:01 AM (NdXhE)

190 Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:01 AM (NdXhE)
if I become a single man, i'll get in contact with you to get to know the girls over there

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at August 26, 2011 10:03 AM (yAor6)

191 If the claim is now being made that to be properly "Anti-Jihadist" you really now do simply have to be anti-Muslim,
period, and cannot attempt any overtures or any sort of goodwill
gestures towards Muslims you actually believe are moderate (and seem to
be so),

Well, there is this one small problem with Islam. It is a tiny thing, really.

They believe that the Koran is the literal word of Allah.

The Koran commands the adherents to convert, oppress or kill the infidel, and to kill the apostate (those who have heard the Koran's teachings and rejected them) and kill the Jew.

So Aga Khan and his lot are either culturally Islamic and are neglecting their duty (but may reform themselves at some future point), or they're apostates.

This isn't like being a cafeteria Catholic, were you can get away with picking and choosing what teachings you will follow. It's Allah's way or the highway (to hell).

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at August 26, 2011 10:04 AM (1hM1d)

192 When did Bush coddle up to 'moderate' Muslims? This slander is not unlike Geller.
How about this as one example, dick-breath?

Siddiqi was a frequent honored guest of the Bush White House, which chose him as the Muslim representative to lead the national prayer service at National Cathedral right after 9-11. Bush gladly accepted a Koran from Siddiqi at a September 26, 2001 White House meeting, reminding Americans that Siddiqi "led the service at the National Cathedral." "He did a heck of a good job and we were proud to have him there," Bush gushed.

Then there’s the media, including the New York Times and LA Times, which took great pains to distance Gadahn’s extremism from Siddiqi’s "moderation." Rather than mention a single radical view of the extremist cleric, the L.A. Times refers to him as "the Harvard-educated" Muslim leader. As if one educated at Harvard couldn’t possibly be the least bit radical.

With the President, the media, and America’s Muslims honoring extremists like Siddiqi, the resulting Adam Gadahns are no surprise. The apple doesn’t fall far from the tree.

Posted by: tom at August 26, 2011 10:07 AM (Ou4YC)

193 Always amusing to watch the people come out and defend Mr Gardasil. I guess Big Government, Obamacare style politicians are OK so long as they have that "R" next to their name.

As for his non-apology apology I'll let Michelle Malkin shine the light on that. I'd include a URL but the comment system doesn't want me to...

Posted by: Tristan Phillips at August 26, 2011 10:07 AM (0tV1H)

194 Who is a bigger fucking lunatic :
1. Pamela Geller
2. Debbie Schlussel

For my money it is Debbie Schlussel hands down. Pam means well but she is a hysteric, Schlussel is a vicious bitch.

Posted by: Profiterole at August 26, 2011 10:08 AM (0vFVj)

195 Posted by: Tristan Phillips at August 26, 2011 10:07 AM (0tV1H)
yes dude Ron Paul, Bachmann, and Palin are our only hope! LOL

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at August 26, 2011 10:08 AM (yAor6)

196 'I'll let Michelle Malkin shine the light on that."

It's probably for the best that someone else thinks for you.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 26, 2011 10:10 AM (kaOJx)

197 #192 you live anywhere near Houston?

Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 10:11 AM (0FEvE)

198 133
Don't forget that most of the assassins' targets were Islamic leaders
who they thought were getting too powerful, like Saladin; so that sword
cuts both ways. It's also not surprising that a sect that is nonviolent now had a violent streak back then. War was just about the default mode of foreign policy back then, with foreign being anyone not of your city-state/lord's land holdings. Also, the Crusaders wrote about doing much more brutal
things, sometimes being ashamed of it afterwards, than the contemporary
Islamic chroniclers picked upon (cannibalism at Ma'arra/Marrat/pick one
of 100 spellings, for example).



And holy shit, Tushar's still alive! Good to see you pop up again.

Posted by: Ranba Ral at August 26, 2011 10:12 AM (G99e4)

199 Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:01 AM (NdXhE)
Tell ya what, Mike. When the goat fucking bastards stop murdering innocents and raping little girls for Allah come talk to me. Until then, STFU and STFD.

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 10:12 AM (OlN4e)

200
I have ... dated, slept with ... more
Moslems in real life than most on this site have seen on TV

I wouldn't say that too loudly, if you're not a Muslim. Not all of your neighbors would approve of you spoiling good Muslim women.

And yes, if you were in the States, your Christian neighbors might not approve, either. But the Lutheran minister isn't going to issue a fatwah on you, either...

Posted by: I R A Darth Aggie © at August 26, 2011 10:13 AM (1hM1d)

201 Malkin has...issues



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She sure does. She thinks that the internment of Japanese-
Americans was just swell and she used to link to the racist, nativist, anti-Semitic,
paleocon blog VDARE. the paleos over at VDARE would just view her as a
"slant eyed non Northern European woman".

Posted by: Saffron at August 26, 2011 10:15 AM (0vFVj)

202 Looking at the big picture, these attacks are not a bad thing, they are quite good. Look how fast they are getting swatted down, and it's still 16 months to go before the general! This is just trotting out everything the Dems would like to try - kill them now and they will be easier to kill later.
It also represents how suddenly people are coming to terms with the idea that Perry is going to be the Nominee.
Perry-Rubio! Yeah BAYBEE!!!

Posted by: Tom Servo at August 26, 2011 10:15 AM (T1boi)

203 It's probably for the best that someone else thinks for you.

Heh.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 10:16 AM (GTbGH)

204 Posted by: Saffron at August 26, 2011 10:15 AM (0vFVj)
and of course Colorado can thank they're libtardGovernor to her

Posted by: AuthorLMendez (Perry Guy) at August 26, 2011 10:17 AM (yAor6)

205 President Perry is a done deal. The only question is who will be VP, and will she have nice legs?

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 10:19 AM (OlN4e)

206 Why doesn't Pam just say any candidate associated with Muslims in any way is a dhimmi? It would sure save tons of time and keystrokes.

Look, I am not very fond of Muslim outreach. For that matter, I am not to fond of Hispanic, Catholic outreach or any "outreach" which specifically targets a racial, ethnic or religious community. It seems overtly political and is usually transparently driven by electoral goals.That's not about bringing people to your political philosophy based on it's positive virtues. It is about hawking a product and trying to mold your sales pitch in a way that appeals to a particular group you are targeting.

So I would agree, in the sense the type of political "outreach" mentioned above can often lead to bad places. That is generally because it yields to interests of the particular group you are speaking to- which is not necessarily what the rest of your audience wants. But this is not the case. It smacks of. Dare I say it? Balance.

Truth be told. I think Pam is secretly hiding a Muslim between her boobs.

Posted by: Marcus at August 26, 2011 10:20 AM (6vvjM)

207 Is Mark Steyn a nut too?

But the fact -- the fact -- is that, since 11 September, the remarks by the Queen, the Pope, the President and almost every other pasty-face have earned no similarly warm, unqualified response from Muslim 'community leaders'. In the Ottawa Citizen's coast-to-coast survey of Canadian imams, all but two refused to accept that Osama bin Laden was responsible for 11 September, even though he himself has said he did it. Imam Yahia Fadlalla of the Hamilton mosque is convinced neither bin Laden nor any other Muslims were involved. Every single imam was opposed to the US bombing campaign against the Taleban. (In that, they differ sharply from their happily liberated coreligionists in Afghanistan.) In Washington, the best the administration could turn up for the multi-faith service at the National Cathedral was Dr Muzammil Siddiqi, of the Islamic Society of North America, who told the President and the nation that 'those that lay the plots of evil, for them is a terrible penalty'. Does that mean Osama's gonna get it? Or that the Yanks were asking for it? Hey, let's not get hung up on specifics. In Bush's Islamic home guard, it's strictly don't ask, don't tell.

Posted by: tom at August 26, 2011 10:22 AM (Ou4YC)

208 From your comments, many of you are not serious about solving the problem of radical Islam.
The "kill-them-all-and-let-God-sort-them-out" solution. Let's assume there's not Christian or moral objection to murdering over a billion people, most of whose only crime seems to be being born into a culture and religion and not repudiating that culture and religion quickly and completely enough to satisfy anonymous commenters on American conservative websites. Do you honestly believe that there would ever be the political will, by either party, or internationally, to make that happen? Would U.S. soldiers really line up women and children for slaughter?
The "let's-stop-all-immigration" approach. What about Moslems abroad with American passports? I know a dozen or so of them here? Do we deny them entry? How about mixed Moslem/Christian couples? One gets in, the other does not? How will you identify the Moslems? Will we demand that foreign countries now put religion on their citizens' passports to help us out with identification? Do you really not see any looming legal problems with that?
The "the-constitutution-is-not-a-suicide-pact" approach, one of the most meaningless and childish phrases I've ever heard. Let's say you are able to deny Constitutional rights to American Moslems. How long after you are popping that first champagne cork before some liberal court decides, on behalf of victims of gun violence, to ban guns, because, as we now know, "The constitution is not a suicide pact?"
So why not support Rick Perry's outreach efforts, and Allan West's, and Chris Christies, and even Bush's? Seriously. Outside the realm of childish venting, what else is there, in the real world?

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:22 AM (NdXhE)

209
@Ace
Good stuff, thanks.
In case you didn't know it, Rick Perry was awarded the 'Defender of Israel Award" in 2009 by the Israelis. (I scanned through the comments and didn't see this mentioned.)
I think that the Israelis probably do their own 'vetting'....and it is doubtful that they wouldgive this Award to a dhimmi.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at August 26, 2011 10:24 AM (Qyf8X)

210 The current Aga Khan was born in Switzerland, went to Harvard, and lives in Paris. He's about as Islamic as William F. Buckley.

And his people, the Ismailis, have been treated like shit by the majority of Muslims since the 13th Century. No love lost there.

I'd be concerned about Perry's "associations" (and WTF does that exactly mean, anyway? Went to a party together? Shared stock tips? Blowjob in the cloakroom?) with the Aga Khan because the dude is such a stereotypical transnational elitist liberal, not because he's a Muslim.

Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2011 10:25 AM (Cf8rK)

211 From your comments, many of you are not serious about solving the problem of radical Islam.
I see you have a handle on solving the problem of radical Islam, Mike. I defer to your God- like wisdom. Then you can solve the problem of world hunger and cancer. Good luck and Godspeed.

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 10:26 AM (OlN4e)

212 I will STFU as soonn as all Catholics take personal responibility for the molestation of children. Do you see what a stupid remark that is? Why are you holding people who have never done any harm personally responsible for the actions of others? Is that the new pure conservative value?
And believe it or not, one doesn't have to hide their relationships in the Moslem world as much as you seem to think. Jesus, hasn't this post alone shown you that internet experts may not know what they're talking about in this subject.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:27 AM (NdXhE)

213 I never said I had any God-like knowledge or answers. I simply said that I have much more experience with real Moslems than most people here, and I stand by that.Mr. or Mrs. Nut-Stroker, pretend you live in a world that conservatives are always rightly proud to live in, where you deal with issues logically and intellectually, not emotionally. Pretend you live in that world, where you can't simply respond to legitimate comments with "Troll!" or "RINO!" or "Get your shine box," or "Make me a sammich." Tell me how those solutions I mentioned could ever work in the real world, and I'll gladly STFU.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:30 AM (NdXhE)

214 Ismaelis are awesome, quite correlative to Christians based on the ones that I know fairly well.

Posted by: Some random imam at August 26, 2011 10:32 AM (jbWs+)

215 re #14 "I've known she was a... special lady for a long time. I don't say so because 1 I don't do blog attack stuff much anymore and 2 she scares me and 3 for a while she was picked on by Charles Johnson and I thought it was nice she recovered and prospered. But yeah, there is, and always was, a reason I never linked her. She barked that question to my face -- WHY DON'T YOU EVER LINK ME?! -- years ago. I just deflected it."
First, I'm honored by the reply. Having a "not worthy" moment here!
Second, there seems to be an entire industry now embodied by Geller, Gaffney, occasional BigPeace commenter I'm-an-ex-secret-agent-so-buy-MY-book Clizbe, Lafferty and so on that is so wedded to trying to make a living from nice little Tea Party lady groups and such that a truly dangerous network of shit is out there, endlessly perpetuated on the web.
Plenty of well-intended people are mobilized into some very weird shit because they are on an email list, or got one with LINKS! Ahhhhh!! to stuff like Geller on Perry, and it not only further screws Tea Party activism (because someone is trying to make a buck on the sentiment) but any kind of effective local political action (because local is where those LINKS! Ahhhh!! end up).
Geller lost me forever when she scrubbed her own site of the pieces on the woman who waas complicit in the honor killing of her own daughter, because she thought it would be "powerful" to have a family member (even one with blood on their hands) at one of her fundraisers on honor killing.
Her site doesn't seem to get near the traffic it used to, but perhaps the decline in discussion there is simply the relentless housekeeping necessary to keep the echo chamber tidy.
What's scary to me is how people with the best of intentions (but otherwise ignorant) are manipulated by Geller and others because they've discovered an INDUSTRY in this, and are milking it for everything they can.

Posted by: barbarausa at August 26, 2011 10:32 AM (gRgC6)

216 Because now Perry has that taint of association.
I think it's Pam Gellar's taint.

Posted by: Roy at August 26, 2011 10:33 AM (VndSC)

217 Who is a bigger fucking lunatic :1. Pamela Geller2. Debbie Schlussel
Oh, that's easy--No. 2. Geller, for all her foibles, has her heart in the right place. Schlussel's is a coal-black cinder. I don't know of anyone who even talks about the latter, let alone reads her, since her vile comments about Lara Logan.

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 26, 2011 10:37 AM (W54Uh)

218 Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:27 AM (NdXhE)
As far as I know Catholicisim does not condome child molestation. Islam, on the other hand does. So why should Catholics take responsibility for child molestation? Your logic is shit.
And your assurances of "tolerance" in the Muslim world is not backed up by the facts all around, including their insistance on Sharia law whever they are in large enough numbers. They don't assimilate into the society they invade. When in large enough numbers, they just take over.
So, I repeat: STFU and STFD.

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 10:38 AM (OlN4e)

219 Posted by: Trimegistus at August 26, 2011 10:25 AM (Cf8rK)

Excellent point. People are so wadded up about Islam they miss the guy's a classic Tranzi.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 26, 2011 10:40 AM (gcxdG)

220 And once again I have to remind you that there is a difference between a particular ideology as propounded in a centuries-old book, and the real-life behavior of real people, right now, even those who are "supposed" to follow that ideology. That was the purpose of my invitation, to see that real people don't always live their lives as the cartoon figures you have inside your head. And your original comment was that you would visit here as soon as "they" stop murdering innocents. Who is "they" in your statement? Were you saying that you would only be interested in seeing another part of the world, and it's people, only when the very worst of them stop committing atrocities? How purely conservative--how intellectual, how hard-sciency of you.

And isn't it always easy when we are safely anonymous to tell people to STFU. What's next--you, in your throbbing manhood, will challenge me to a fight, "anytime, anywhere," and then choose a Wal-Mart parking lot 15 minutes from your house, and 7000 miles away from mine, then choose a time 20 minutes from now, and strut and crow the next day when I don't show up? Isn't that the usual internet tough guy approach?

Anyway, I made a serious proposal and invitation. If it's not for you, fine.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:46 AM (NdXhE)

221 Jesus, Mike. Pussy hurt much? Get a grip.

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 10:51 AM (OlN4e)

222 I'm sorry. I know my response doesn't have the flair and intellectual rigor of your STFU, but I don't have the advantage of a faux-cute internet nickname like you.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:53 AM (NdXhE)

223 I don't understand the viciousness of the comments aimed at Michelle Malkin and Pamela Gellar on this thread. Granted, no one is expecting G-rated commentary on AoS, but some of you are way over the top. FTR, both of these brave, articulatewomen have written and spoken out effectively on any number of conservative issues and both have been the targets of the worst kinds of slander from the Left. I never thought they'd be getting it from the Right, as well.
So let me get this straight: anyone says anything bad, wrong, or embarrassingly trueabout your boy Perry, this is what we can expect? Is that how this works? Yeah, well, your boy Perry has a bad habit of going off-script and saying stupid things--that remark Perry made about soldiers having a President they can respect, for example, or that idiotic 'Bernanke is a traitor' line he tossed out the other day. You might call those precious Perry moments refreshingly spontaneous, a welcome contrast to Obama's teleprompter addiction. I call it amateur hour. Perry either grows as a candidate or--if he wins the GOP primaries--he loses in the general election because he's an ill-disciplined fuckup.

Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2011 10:53 AM (vtiE6)

224 If I Were Single, I'd Try ToHit That.
Wow, Pam Geller looks great FANTASTIC for fifty-something. She looks fantastic for thirty-something.
Too bad she's got her head up her ass right now. I'd be a member of some sort of exclusive club, pretty sure of that IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: IIWSITTHT at August 26, 2011 10:53 AM (nBE5A)

225 MikeinAmmam,

I don't know the back story on your conflict with other commenters and I'm not taking a side, but it's not appropriate to identify someone based on their religion if they don't follow their religion. That goes both ways.

I would never identify Nancy Pelosi as a Catholic, for example. She may call herself that, but that's not her identity. So I cannot learn a damned thing from Catholicism by listening to San Fran Nan.

So I guess what I'd say is that it's more useful to get people to appreciate that not all Middle Easterners of Arab descent are jihadis instead of getting into an argument over whether or not "muslims" can be moderate or tolerant or whatever.

That said, my best friend growing up identified herself as Palestinian-American. Mom American, dad Palestinian. She and her sister spent their younger days in Saudi Arabia before moving to the U.S. She did not recommend it. Culturally speaking, whether the origins be rooted in Islam or some other force, the Islamic countries of the Middle East are not a great place for women. So they have a lot to answer for, imho.

Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 10:54 AM (5H6zj)

226 Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:46 AM (NdXhE)

Dude. We Catholics, once we found out about the hidden and nefarious doings of the clergy actually did something about it.


Our bitch about muslims, those one's you profess to speak off, is that they do nothing to stop their brethren.

douche.

Posted by: exsanguine at August 26, 2011 10:54 AM (9JCgm)

227 And didn't I say that it was a fucking ridiculous statement to make? That was my point--if it's ridiculous to hold everyone of a particular religion responsible for the actions of their worst, then it's ridiculous in all situations. That's what I said. I attend Catholic mass here in Amman, so it was never my intention to denigrate Catholicism, but to denigrate a particular brand of sloppy thinking.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:57 AM (NdXhE)

228 Mike I agree with you that taken individually there are Moslems as ethical and good as anyone. Some are fighting side by side with our troops now. But I also think that you may not see the trees 'cause of the the forest in some aspects. Your proximity to the culture provides you with insight but it also prevents you from seeing the big picture. Islam and the west are incompatible. There is no solution unless Islam has a reform similar to Christianity.

Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 10:57 AM (0FEvE)

229 222 I'm sorry. I know my response doesn't have the flair and intellectual rigor of your STFU, but I don't have the advantage of a faux-cute internet nickname like you.
Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:53 AM (NdXhE)
That "cute" internet nick name you like so much was given to me by Ace, as an insult,because he doesn't like me. Obviously, I don't really give a fuck. And if you are going to comment here, you better grow a thicker skin.
Its true that I have no use for Muslims, but I didn't feel that way until they started murdering for the hell of it. So you can take your pro-islam arguments elsewhere, as they are mostly wasted here, where we actually look at what they are doing around the world in the name of Islam, while the "moderates" sit on their hands or secretly applaud the atrocities.

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 10:59 AM (OlN4e)

230 Polynikes, thanks for your response. I do, however, tend to disagree. I see as well as anyone how incompatible Islam and Western culture is, maybe better. I hate Islam as much as the next guy, and I could never defend it. It does, as someone above said, have a lot to answer for. But at the same time, I know very few Moslems that I CAN'T defend as good people. That's what I'm trying to get across. It's a strange paradox that I deal with every day here.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 11:00 AM (NdXhE)

231 Thank god I drink.

Posted by: SFGoth at August 26, 2011 11:01 AM (dZ756)

232 142 I learned everything I need to know about the Ismailis from a women who works in the cubicle next to me - she is one. She wears completely modern clothing, shows cleavage, (she has a great rack), and on casual Fridays wears tight fitting jeans.
_______________

And Hamburg cell members were drinking booze and going to strip clubs. Yeah.

Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 11:04 AM (LxMKC)

233 And Ted Bundy was an Eagle Scout.

What does that tell you about the Boy Scouts of America, nati?

Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 11:05 AM (5H6zj)

234 Mike we seem to be basically on the same page. I hope those you would defend will never betray you in the name of Islam. I have unfortunately seem that happen here in the states.

Posted by: polynikes at August 26, 2011 11:05 AM (0FEvE)

235 I attend Catholic mass here in Amman, so it was never my intention to denigrate Catholicism, but to denigrate a particular brand of sloppy thinking.
Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:57 AM (NdXhE)
_______________________

So, as the local resident, would you say that most Muslims in Amman just love the US and the thought of destroying Israel never crossed their peaceful minds? Answer the question please.

Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 11:07 AM (LxMKC)

236 Listen, Ace: Geller's usually on the side of the angels. You think you could suck it up and forgive her one time instead of vilifying her? She's done more to help Muslim women than you'll ever do. She's not anti-Muslim, she's anti Jihadist, and she makes a clear distinction. Just yesterday, she was in Israel dedicating a park to Muslim women victims of honor killings---on her own dime. To call her misguided in this case might be accurate, but to call her anti-American in inexcusable.

Posted by: ahem at August 26, 2011 11:07 AM (6FBej)

237 Really, you should be ashamed.

Posted by: ahem at August 26, 2011 11:08 AM (6FBej)

238 What does that tell you about the Boy Scouts of America, nati?
Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 11:05 AM (5H6zj)
_______________________________

It tells me you Y-not has a small dick, unnatural attraction towards teenage boys and a huge complex of inferiority.

Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 11:09 AM (LxMKC)

239 @ troyriser
As opposed to say Bachmann's gaffes about the Battle of Concord being in New Hampshire or wishing Elvis a Happy Birhtday on the anniversary of his death, or how about calling John Quincy Adams a "Founding Father"? How about Palin freezing up when asked a question about newspapers she reads and only allowing herself to interviewed by a fawning Sean Hannity? How about Ron Paul saying Iran having nukes is no problem? See if you want to play those games, go ahead.

Posted by: Saffron at August 26, 2011 11:09 AM (0vFVj)

240 Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 10:59 AM (OlN4e)

While Mike might be underestimating the threat of Radical Islam you certainly are fascist, genocidal douchebag. Short of glassification what is your answer?

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 26, 2011 11:09 AM (gcxdG)

241 Polynikes, I've been in this area of the world for almost 15 years now, including living in Ankara on 9/11. I have to be honest--most of the people I know--granted, they are largely educated and well-traveled professionals--are so nondescriptly Moslem that you'd never know it, except based on the assumption that they must be, as they are Turks, or Saudis, or Jordanians. A few of the women wear headscarves. The people I do avoid, and have never met a good one, are Palestinians. They are as sub-human as it is possible to be, and still be considered technically a human being. Even other Arabs hate them.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 11:10 AM (NdXhE)

242 Plus, Geller has been instrumental in saving Muslim girls's lives--on her own time and with her own time. What the fuck are you doing? Sitting around on a blog and cracking dirty jokes? Did you ever get off your ass and risk the death threats Geller's getting? I no longer have any respect for you.

Posted by: ahem at August 26, 2011 11:11 AM (6FBej)

243 While Mike might be underestimating the threat of Radical Islam you certainly are fascist, genocidal douchebag. Short of glassification what is your answer?
Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at August 26, 2011 11:09 AM (gcxdG)
My, my. Since you are obviously telepathic, you tell me shithead.

Posted by: Gun Dick Stroking Nutter at August 26, 2011 11:11 AM (OlN4e)

244 Re Spencer and Geller--Schlussel posted some time ago that there was now a financial relationship between the two, and was promptly firebombed by sockpuppets (this during the honor killing event controversy).
If true, funny that.
But not really.

Posted by: barbarausa at August 26, 2011 11:12 AM (gRgC6)

245 Nati, Jordan is famously pro-Israel at the governmental level. I can take you to the Israeli consulate sometime, or introduce you to a professor at the University of Jordan who does ecumenical outreach between Jordanian Moslems and Israeli Jews. He was one of the nominees for the Nobel Peace Prize that Obama received. I can introduce you to the Minister--he's the uncle of a friend--who is in charge of trade with Israel, largely water and fresh fruit. I can also take you to the Dead Sea, and you can see some of the partnerships between Israeli resorts and Jordanian ones. Or the joint scientific team that discovered a new species of spider a few years ago.

Can I speak for every single Jordanian? No. But they tend to be very anti-Palestinian, because the Palestinians are destroying their country too. Or at least trying to.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 11:15 AM (NdXhE)

246
131 Ismailis...you know, the peaceful bunch who invented the fucking HASHASHINS who gave birth to the word assassins.


Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 07:57 AM (LxMKC)

If I remember correctly, the assassins mostly killed muslim rulers. I can only recall one account where they killed a Frankish leader and he was making life difficult for them at the time.

Posted by: Deathknyte at August 26, 2011 11:19 AM (BHJaa)

247 I've written this before here, but I'll do it again. The Middle East isn't just what you see on the internet. Here in Amman, there are at least 8-10 Christian churches that I know of, and I have Christian neighbors, one who has a life-sized statue of Christ on his porch. Do you think he or his family are the subject of harassment because of it? I can walk down the street and hear church bells on Sunday. Christians are given Easter Sunday off, when it is a regular work day for Moslems. I can bring you to at least 4 markets that I know of who sell pork--willingly and gladly, with no fuss or dirty looks--including a butcher who sells nothing but pork. People drink alcohol, and there's a guy who's dressed like a sheik from TV who walks his German Shepherd every morning, and it's the size of a Shetland Pony. I have my dog here, as I did in Turkey. People all the time stop me to pet here when we walk. They are not Western, ok, but they are also not cartoon characters.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 11:21 AM (NdXhE)

248 Schlussel posted some time ago that there was now a financial relationship between the two, and was promptly firebombed by sockpuppets (this during the honor killing event controversy).
No doubt high-value intel from her "sources."

Posted by: Steve the Pirate at August 26, 2011 11:25 AM (W54Uh)

249 @Saffron, I'm not playing games. My point is that Perry's being poorly handled--just as Bachmann is, just as Palin has been. Obama as President is an obvious failure. Obama as candidate,on the other hand, rarely makes a misstep. He stays on script, on-message, and rarely if ever gives his opponent an opening to exploit.
I have a friend who happens to be an expert-level chess player, a bigtime tournament player with lots of trophies. We haven't talked in a while so for all I know he finally realized his dream of being a national master. I'm just a patzer, myself, so I asked my friend once what was the most important thing to know in order to play a good, winning game of chess. His response: If a given player going against an opponent of roughly even abilities doesn't make any outright blunders, then he or she will probably win.
Backmann's blunders are cumulative and she keeps making them. She will almost certainly not win the nomination. Palin's early blunders as VP candidate may come back to haunt her, but they wouldn't prove debilitating by themselves. Palin's problem--should she run--is more the result of concerted and prolonged character assassination by the MSM rather than faulty political judgement on her part. Mitt Romney is going for that no-blunder game, but he's trying too hard and coming across as overly cautious and calculating.
My point is that Perry should step it up and stop talking off-the-cuff. Every dumb thing he does now will kill him in the endgame, should he get there.

Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2011 11:26 AM (vtiE6)

250 Y-not at August 26, 2011 10:54 AM (5H6zj)
Ditto. The axiom still being repeated that timothy mcveigh was a christian really really really really really really pisses me off.

Posted by: really really really pissed off sometimes and stuff like that at August 26, 2011 11:28 AM (nBE5A)

251 Posted by: nati at August 26, 2011 11:09 AM (LxMKC)

lol. Epic fail.

Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 11:29 AM (5H6zj)

252 Norquist is widely known himself to be pro-Muslim; he believes they're a
natural Republican constituency, and urges we make a move for them like
Bush and Rove urge with Hispanics.

If they're a natural Republican constituency, then why is it necessary to "make a move" for them by offering up the political equivalent of blow jobs? That's what Democrats do.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at August 26, 2011 11:29 AM (PaYgs)

253 Troy did Perry call Bernake a traitor or say it was treason if Bernake kept the printing presses running ot help Barak Obama win re election?
Might want to find out the whole story before you besmirch the Next POTUS.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 26, 2011 11:30 AM (kaOJx)

254
Great post - didn't know those folks (actual honest to god moderate muslims) were out there. Figures that when theyactually find the group they've been clamoring to see for 10 years, the first thing they do is start taking pot shots at them (a la Geller) and anyone bold enough to associate with them. Don't worry. Soon they'll be back to bitching about 'hey, where are all the moderate muslims?' Iwould think Ishmailis, based on the curriculum posted, would be EXACTLY the group we want to put front and center in the public discussion about what Islam is and isn't - from the western perspective. But what do I know? Maybe some people, particular pasty ones with noticable tits,just want to get their cultural war on - death, destruction and mayhem be damned. (Of course, that's more common in those who've never seen any of it up close.) Then again, it could just be as rank and low as the fact that there are some whoneed for there to be no moderate muslims in order to continue profiting financially. Hate to think that, but who knows? Anyway...thanks for the effort and education.

Posted by: NotAbiss Thats for sure... at August 26, 2011 11:32 AM (NBj0d)

255 McVeigh was agnostic.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 26, 2011 11:32 AM (kaOJx)

256 236
Geller's usually on the side of the angels. You think you
could suck it up and forgive her one time instead of vilifying her?

The stakes are too high.

Geller's reputation is not as important to me as Perry's is. Whatever good she's done does not outweigh her sloppily smearing our best chance (or one of our best chances) to get rid of Obama next year.

Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 11:32 AM (5H6zj)

257 Atlas Juggs... that's the funniest thing I've head all month.

Posted by: h0mi at August 26, 2011 11:33 AM (afapi)

258 Troy did Perry call Bernake a traitor or say it was treason if Bernake
kept the printing presses running ot help Barak Obama win re election?

Good point and, of course, he softened it even further than that by adding "almost" to his characterization of the act.

Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 11:34 AM (5H6zj)

259 Notabiss, thanks so much for that. That's what I should have said, but didn't think of. You're right. We demand the presence of moderate Moslems, then when they are shown to us, we ignore them or say that they are practicing Takkiya. And then wonder why they don't embrace conservatism or Western values. And I was in the Marines for 8 years, and I have to second what you said about death and mayhem. As Orwell said about W.H. Auden, I will say about some of the posters here--"He was a socialist who was always in the other room when the fatal shots were fired."

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 11:37 AM (NdXhE)

260 I'm with you on this one Ace. I think that Robert Spencer has done a great deal of good, and is typically even handed, but I think he has jumped the shark somewhat with this one.

Posted by: Notta Trutha at August 26, 2011 11:37 AM (Z4ldN)

261 Anyway, I'm seven hours ahead of East Coast time, and I have work to do. Those of you in the path of Irene, stay safe, and I'll hope that it spares my house in South Carolina. And I made a serious offer. If any of you are traveling in this part of the world, look me up on this web site.

Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 11:44 AM (NdXhE)

262 Steve the Pirate, I said "if true".
I am not a regular Schlussel reader, but have lost a great deal of faith in Geller's overall cred as she has become an industry instead of a source.
And the financial relationships are disturbing to me, as they extend downward into micro-local evnts.
Someone who gets their own (self-published) book advertised on her site, or a credit at an event (donate!) then milks the link for all its worth to do their own slash and burn at the local level.
Some of the "Tea Party" groups where I live have become little more than small cells warring against each other, with a very few using links to Geller and the like as ammo against any candidate of official that isn't Christian enough.
I'm a lapsed Catholic, and it disturbs me to be quizzed on whether Jesus is my Savior as a "Patriot", and have to listen to someone tell me not only what's wrong with ALL Arabs, but that Mormons are a cult, and so on, when what I'd like to be working on is eliminating some government programs and getting my taxes down.
It disturbs me even more when someone knows someone is not a cultist or a jihadi, but it's cheap and easy to attack them that way with the other little groups that think they're informed because they get LINKS!!!!! Ahhhh!!

Posted by: barbarausa at August 26, 2011 11:47 AM (gRgC6)

263 Billy Barty at August 26, 2011 04:18 AM (Tv6z3)
These fuckers keep it up (tearing R candidates up during primary season) and we'll end up with McCain n the ticket again. No cohesion. Prety lame. And the brainiacs will say "my integrity won't allow me to vote for so-and-so, Reagan II is on the horizon!" One more term from the stuttering clusterfuck and the only solution will be the Second Coming of Christ Himself. That is if it isn't too late already. Who knows what is in all of this shit the stuttering clusterfuck has gotten done.The absolutely haveto pass it all before we can read it and find out what is going on, the crises being averted are beyond our simple brains' capacity to comprehend.

Posted by: really really really pissed off sometimes and stuff like that at August 26, 2011 11:50 AM (nBE5A)

264
Plus, Geller has been instrumental in saving Muslim girls's lives--on
her own time and with her own time. What the fuck are you doing? Sitting
around on a blog and cracking dirty jokes? Did you ever get off your
ass and risk the death threats Geller's getting? I no longer have any
respect for you.

Even if she manages to be mostly on the "right side" of an issue, it doesn't change the fact that she's long been a bugfuck crazy paranoid lunatic.

Posted by: Hollowpoint at August 26, 2011 11:56 AM (Jl4kG)

265 Sigh. Spencer and Geller should know better than to do a Johnson on anyone, let alone one of the best GOP candidates. Shame on you, Pam.

Posted by: S. Wolf at August 26, 2011 11:56 AM (LSnD8)

266 @Dick Nixon, who wrote, "Might want to find out the whole story before you besmirch the Next POTUS."
Might want to pray your boy Perry doesn't let his runaway mouth implode his campaign between now and election day before calling him the 'Next POTUS'. Personally, I'm neither for or against the guy as a primary candidate, but to you and other big Perry fans,his winning of the primaries and beating Obama in the general is somehow inevitable. I don't see it.Perry seems to speak before he thinks, and that's a bad thing. Just one thoughtless turn of phrase or 'macaca moment', and he's done.So much for inevitability.

Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2011 12:00 PM (vtiE6)

267 Aw, kind of a depressing post to read. I figured since Pamela Geller got so much shit from CJ she must be really awesome.

Eh, so it goes.

Posted by: Andy at August 26, 2011 12:02 PM (uLfcQ)

268 We're All Dhimmis Now.

Posted by: Newsweek at August 26, 2011 12:05 PM (lSuMX)

269 So troy, you a Mittens fan or Palinista?
One is in third place for the nomination and one isn't running.

Posted by: Dick Nixon at August 26, 2011 12:18 PM (kaOJx)

270 Two things about the Ismaili sect that I like:
- The Aga Khan periodically gets a birthday present from his followers in the form of his weight in gold and precious gems. Seriously. They sit him on a giant balance scale and fill the other side with treasure until it balances.
- In the 1950s, the Aga Khan at the time married Rita Hayworth. I do not recall whether she got her weight in gold and gems as a wedding present. They stayed married only a few years -- but still: an eye for the hottest of babes and not a stickler for keeping separate from the infidels made that Aga Khan a pretty cool dude.

Posted by: stuiec at August 26, 2011 12:21 PM (Di3Im)

271 Perry's got assassins?

COOL!

Posted by: Jishin at August 26, 2011 12:22 PM (CCXwt)

272 This is for CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative))

Normally I just read the articles here and don't post. I think Pam Geller is worth defending, even if she went too far. She fights a battle without much support from others. Things like the Ground Zero mosque, exposing Islamic influences on politicians, digging into Obama's records and finances, etc. She's done more to protect America than all the posters on this board put together. She's earned my respect.

Posted by: I Agree More With Pam at August 26, 2011 12:22 PM (fMzd7)

273 I think this is a fairly articulate and lengthy diassembly of Pam's ridiculous, fallacious comments on Perry with respect to Khan and his (Perry's) policies.. I am having substantial trouble seeing how it is some type of personal attack on Pam. Frankly, she made herself look like an ass with these comments and Ace has shown why- almost line-by-line.

So. Give. Her. A. Pass? You must be kidding? When she writes a full length post explaining why she was wrong about Perry and how she never completely read the entire background before penning fiction, which she represented as fact, maybe.

She hurt her own credibility. Nobody else.

Posted by: Marcus at August 26, 2011 12:25 PM (6vvjM)

274 I'm still trying to get to the heart of her complaint. The cirriculum is to pro-Muslim? Show me a school text that is being used that is less pro-Muslim than this. You won't find one.
Norquist? Well, might as well just call every single elected R on the Hill a Dhimmi and be done with all of them.

Posted by: Rich at August 26, 2011 12:26 PM (ldOlo)

275 Andy, a person can be often right and a time or two make an error, it's part of the human condition isn't it?
she'll be ok


Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 12:27 PM (h+qn8)

276 179
Yeah,I knew ace would get around to this.I've been very disappointed in
Jihadwatch because of this.They do good and important work but this is
ridiculous.

I appreciate Ace for covering this. I've been hearing things about this, and it's raised some concerns about Perry. I feel better about him now.

I'm also disappointed in Jihadwatch- their whole line on this is "we need to vet our candidates better." Which I do agree with. However, the whole in metaphorical bed with Pamela Geller is... damaging to their credibility I think.

Posted by: shibumi at August 26, 2011 12:27 PM (z63Tr)

277 @272
This is for CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative))
She's a fucking shrieking lunatic in the same mold of Debbie Schlussel.

Posted by: Profiterole at August 26, 2011 12:29 PM (0vFVj)

278 My mistake. Post 277 is for
272 I Agree More With Pam

Posted by: Profiterole at August 26, 2011 12:31 PM (0vFVj)

279
#273
"She hurt her own credibility. Nobody else."
----------
Here here, Marcus. Whatever high esteem I once held for Geller has fallen measurably due to her recent hit piece on Rick Perry.

Posted by: ConservativeMenAreJustHotter at August 26, 2011 12:36 PM (Qyf8X)

280 You can be a lousy Muslim and love peace and civilization or you can be a good Muslim and lie about loving peace and civilization.
If Aga Khan loves peace and is a stand up guy, then by most accounts, he's probably a lousy Muslim.
I'm cool with that.
His status or relationship with his donkey-screwing, child-raping, wife-beating, medieval religion is something I couldn't possible give a flying crap about. That said, I'd still watch him like a hawk because too many of these neanderthals are so good at lying their asses off to the West while proclaiming jihad to their sick friends.

Posted by: Greg in NC at August 26, 2011 12:44 PM (x7byD)

281 Willow, I agree, but it seems to me she didn't do some very basic research. I wouldn't say I dislike her, just that my default position of "CJ is an ass to her so she must be right" took a hit. I'm not throwing stuff she says out with the bathwater, but she just lost something in my mind.

Posted by: Andy at August 26, 2011 12:55 PM (uLfcQ)

282 i hear ya

Posted by: willow at August 26, 2011 12:57 PM (h+qn8)

283 I will STFU as soonn as all Catholics take personal responibility for the molestation of children. Do you see what a stupid remark that is? Why are you holding people who have never done any harm personally responsible for the actions of others? Is that the new pure conservative value?
Posted by: MikeinAmman at August 26, 2011 10:27 AM (NdXhE)
Catholicism is individualistic. islam is tribalistic. You cannot compare the two with respect to the individuals and their "responsibility" for some actions of the group. Apples and tin.

Posted by: Henry Harold Humphries, you can call me 'H' at August 26, 2011 12:58 PM (qMfi2)

284 Regarding Grover Norquist... I understand why Islamists back to his leadership in the conservative movement but what has always puzzled me is why American conservatives do so.

Is it the seduction of his childish no taxes pledge?

Posted by: RioBravo at August 26, 2011 01:00 PM (eEfYn)

285 Yeah, well, your boy Perry has a bad habit of going off-script and saying stupid things--that remark Perry made about soldiers having a President they can respect, for example, or that idiotic 'Bernanke is a traitor' line he tossed out the other day. You might call those precious Perry moments refreshingly spontaneous, a welcome contrast to Obama's teleprompter addiction. I call it amateur hour.
Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2011 10:53 AM (vtiE6)
I'm not a Perry supporter, but he was right in what he said about Bernanke printing money in the runup to the election (and it was not what you said, though close). If Perry said that bit about soldiers having a President they can respect, then Perry gets 10 more points for honesty. These are not gaffes. Quite the opposite. We need more people willing to say these obvious truths out loud.

Posted by: Henry Harold Humphries, you can call me 'H' at August 26, 2011 01:03 PM (qMfi2)

286 - In the 1950s, the Aga Khan at the time married Rita Hayworth.
Who was Jewish.

Posted by: Henry Harold Humphries, you can call me 'H' at August 26, 2011 01:06 PM (qMfi2)

287 Posted by: Henry Harold Humphries, you can call me 'H' at August 26, 2011 01:03 PM (qMfi2)

Yep, those are not gaffes.

A "gaffe" is not defined as something that gets someone's panties in a bunch. Any strong political statement does that. A gaffe is something that is inaccurate or misstated or unintentionally said (ie: a private opinion that should be kept private).

I'm sure Perry makes gaffes, but I can't think of one right now so he's hardly a gaffe machine.

Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 01:06 PM (5H6zj)

288 I agree with you that "this will not do." Earlier in the week I tried to deconstruct some of the BS. You might want to check out some of the links. http://goo.gl/Z9pQF

Posted by: Yael at August 26, 2011 01:14 PM (uv0al)

289 I'm sure Perry makes gaffes, but I can't think of one right now so he's hardly a gaffe machine.


Adios, Mo Fo


Posted by: mpurinTexas, Evil Conservanatrix, supports Rick Perry, bitch at August 26, 2011 01:18 PM (ignDe)

290 Gellar's been off the deep end for a while now. Her best work is way, WAY behind her, and was largely concerned with delving into the donations under false names that Obama was receiving during the campaign.

Much like Chuckles, she hasn't had anything really remotely worth reading since then.

Posted by: Paul Kroenke at August 26, 2011 01:19 PM (Xgwqw)

291 Late to the party (as usual), but I have always despised Gellar - even when she was a darling of conservatives. Like Ace said, she is too much like Charles Johnson, and she believes her shat doesn't stink.

Nice to see her go full retard, though.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2011 01:19 PM (tCpeN)

292 I wonder how much hate mail ace will get for this post, btw.

Posted by: Y-not at August 26, 2011 01:23 PM (5H6zj)

293 292
I wonder how much hate mail ace will get for this post, btw.

Probably more than he gets from Paulbots.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at August 26, 2011 01:23 PM (tCpeN)

294 @Dick Nixon, who wrote, "So troy, you a Mittens fan or Palinista?"
Don't much care for Mitt Romney, especially after his Brave Sir Robin move on the debt-ceiling debates, and Sarah's numbers are, at least in my view, insurmountable. I like and admire Palin, and one can argue the unfairness ofher unpopularity issues, which are largely the result of incessant MSM agitprop, but it is what it is, and I don't see how she can overcome the image problem she's garnered either in the primaries or (especially) in a head-to-head with President Obama and his billion-dollar war chest. Bachmann's campaign organization has been minor league, at best, and Herman Cain is too much of a novice in the political arena to be an effective opponent against the Obama machine. Ron Paul is an unabashed kook and his diehard followers creep me the hell out.
Let's see how Perry shapes up. He somehow reminds me of a flashy fast-draw point-shooter on the pistol range, forgetting the late, great Jack Weaver's axiom that a quick hit is better than a lightning fast miss.

Posted by: troyriser at August 26, 2011 01:33 PM (vtiE6)

295 Yes...both Pamela and Robert need a vacation!

Posted by: Macker at August 26, 2011 01:35 PM (dY3O/)

296 "She also has a small but fervently loyal echo chamber, which I think is a
handicap more than anything. Mind you, that's pretty blog-normal,
places like AoSHQ and HotAir are the exception."

Oh, I get it, this is a joke. I seem to hear quite a lot of echoes in here.

Posted by: Nunya Bizness. TEA Party Terrorist at August 26, 2011 01:45 PM (69llX)

297 Ace,

Thank you. You may have been 'late to the game' but this is something that needed to be said, HERE. plenty of comments about this here, but seeing it wasn't economic, many of us wouldn't touch it with a ten-foot-pole

Posted by: phreshone at August 26, 2011 01:50 PM (T3vCe)

298 Oh, I get it, this is a joke. I seem to hear quite a lot of echoes in here.
Posted by: Nunya Bizness. TEA Party Terrorist at August 26, 2011 01:45 PM (69llX)

No, it's not a joke. There are a lot of different and often antagonistic voices here and at HA. And while on any given day you may see unreasoned trolling arguing or an echoing thread, you'll also see differences of opinion that are serious and considered.

That tends to happen *less* with a small audience (not always), especially a strident one. You'll end up with only the extremes left.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 01:52 PM (bxiXv)

299 Anyway, I *understand* the Gellar position - the differences between Islam and everyone else are irreconcilable, so cooperation and moderation is ultimately impossible.

There is a certain amount of evidence for that, what with the "re-radicalization" of Westernized Muslim youths. There is enough evidence for people like Gellar and Spencer to come to the conclusion that Islamic colonies in the West are, even if moderate now, time bombs.

Gellar believes she has sufficiently demonstrated this truth, and is impatient that others will not accept the "obvious," like all true believers.

Because she can quote chapter and verse, we're not likely to convince her she's wrong.

We hope she's wrong because if she's right, the future is a very dark place no matter what we do.

Posted by: Merovign, Dark Lord of the Sith at August 26, 2011 01:58 PM (bxiXv)

300 I seem to hear quite a lot of echoes in here.

Is this an empty head joke?

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 02:02 PM (GTbGH)

301 Saying Perry is a gaffe machine is just as fair and honest as saying he's a dhimmi or an open borders guy or made hpv vaccinations mandatory.

It's BS. I'm OK with it only because Perry has to be able to survive BS attacks in order to be competitive in a general election.

But it's BS. Some of it is motivated by honestly mistaken folks, but most of it is bad faith argumentation to help Romney.

Posted by: Dustin at August 26, 2011 02:11 PM (fF625)

302 MikeinAmman,
It sounds fascinating, I wish I had the time/money to take you up on your offer. But....
Now, about your original post. I agree that Americans are unlikely to get behind the Glassy Plain approach. At least, until it is tried on us. But immigration is another matter. What is wrong with making it a matter of policy that adherents of certain violent death cults are not welcome as immigrants? Jordan and Lebanon would be a lot better off if they had had that policy!
As to the "Palestinians", my theory is that they have been kept in camps for three generations as part of a cynical policy on the part of their Arab "Brethren", to serve as shock troops in the ongoing war on Israel. Huge numbers of people were displaced by WWII.Only in the Levant do we find people living in camps three generations later, claiming the "right of return". This policy is the result of the Arab satraps, and the lefties at the UN, keeping a petri dish full of "victims" so they can continue their attackon Israel.

Posted by: JinEugene at August 26, 2011 02:17 PM (eQa5p)

303 Does anyone have any nekkid pix of Atlas Juggs?

Posted by: nikkolai at August 26, 2011 02:31 PM (WVucR)

304 Pamela Geller is a Palinista, she's got a girl crush on Governor Palin. I dated a nice jewish girl from Jersey years ago and jewish women are very headstrong. Great in the rack but hard to converse with and sometimes irrational. Anyway she loved my Texas accentthe CC Wranglers jeans, she always had a thing about me taking off myhat whenever we went to a restauraunt though and thought my Old Dodge pickup was too high to be climbing in and out of whenever we went out. Shedidn't know what 4x4 meant either. Anyway, I used to go to Atlas and MM a lot but lost interest. I can't go there anymore because these two are so in love with Governor Palin that they have become kind of fringey. Maybe Geller and MM do not like Governor Perry because his wife is prettier than they are. From thepetty nonissue/issues they keep attacking him on that's the only reason that I can think of. Ladies; He's a married man. Sorry.

Posted by: Ron at August 26, 2011 02:32 PM (g+yPx)

305 277 @272 This is for CharlieBrown'sDildo (NJConservative))She's a fucking shrieking lunatic in the same mold of Debbie Schlussel.
Posted by: Profiterole at August 26, 2011 12:29 PM (0vFVj)
Actually, I do read Debbie Schlussel every week, just to see what kind of issues that she wants to address, and she has already lambasted Rick Perry for his association withthis anti-Israel Muslim. She also discounted him as a viable candidate because of that school program Ace mentioned.
The problem is, if anybody is even a remote acquaintance of a Muslim, she automatically writes off that candidate as a mere pro-Islam shill. That's her SOP.
Ace, THANK YOU for providing this information about this curriculum that Perry helped implement in Texas schools. I feel a lot better about Perry now, especially since I'm witnessing that DS' blogs about him can be complete crap.

Posted by: ICBMMan at August 26, 2011 03:00 PM (HMGTw)

306 Any chance someone could bump this post? People might not read very far back and this is kind of important.

Posted by: AngelEm at August 26, 2011 03:32 PM (94jbd)

307 @ ICBMMan
Schlussel is an hate filled, frustrated, self important lunatic. Nobody can satisfy her purity litmus tests. She hates:, Palin, Perry, Malkin, Hannity, Beck, the Tea Party, and just about everyone who is more successful then she is.. As for Geller, in addition to being a hysteric, she is a lousy writer and on TV she comes across as if it is 11:00 am and she is on her 5th cup of coffee.

Posted by: Profiterole at August 26, 2011 03:35 PM (0vFVj)

308 Schlussel finds fault in all conservatives, yet she will never run herself (well she ran once for the Michigan House of Representatives). No one is perfect, except her....

Posted by: Profiterole at August 26, 2011 03:59 PM (0vFVj)

309 Schlussel is a member of MENSA, bitches!

Posted by: Damn Dirty RINO at August 26, 2011 04:06 PM (+iwM3)

310 Geller is merely projecting, nothingmore, nothing less.
Her world view is skewed a bit by her predjudices which is fine for her but when she uses them as a template to judge others then there's a problem.

Posted by: Gmac at August 26, 2011 05:26 PM (k2Fyd)

311 Gellar misplaced her mind somewhere near Malkin's.

Posted by: Montjoie at August 26, 2011 08:42 PM (sBpR/)

312 Gellar v. Malkin mud wrestling to settle this.

As many messy rounds as it takes.

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Posted by: lusefer at August 26, 2011 09:07 PM (B0Yzx)

314 Pathetic. Doug Ross has asked significant questions regarding Perry's ties to Islamists. Apparently he is irresponsible and has an "agenda" too? One can look at Bloomberg and notice his pushing of the Islamic agenda might just be connected to his financial ties in the Middle East. Or the fact that State's stance might be influenced by the fact that all US ambassadors to SA without exception since 1980 wind up as lobbyists for the Arabs. That the NEA bureau is staffed with Arabists.
I guess this is because San Antonio is secretly the largest Muslim city outside the Middle East and that Houston has the largest Muslim population outside of Indonesia. Bush pushed the Islamic line as well, but when looks at his family's financial dealings it is clear why this was done. I suspect Perry is doing the same thing.

Posted by: Molon Labe at August 26, 2011 09:29 PM (JyCYK)

315 @ Damn Dirty RINO 309
Schlussel is a member of MENSA, bitches!

She is still a fat ugly cunt.

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Posted by: Merciless AudioBook at August 26, 2011 09:46 PM (VRgDg)

317 You need to be asking yourselves what was Geller's agenda-if you do a little investigating of her, you will find she does certainly have an agenda. As much as I would love to blame Rove-since I hate him as only a Texan can hate a phony want to be Texan-but Rove did not start this rumor. Geller did she did it because she is a Palin shrill, they are the ones pushing this. What has happened is Rick Perry got in the race has surged Palin can't stand it as he gains ground her chances (which IMO were slim to none anyway) are getting worse daily. Geller Malkin are obsessed with Palin will attack anyone - by half-truths to outright lies- to try force her on Americans.

Posted by: victoria_29 at August 26, 2011 11:09 PM (DPxsz)

318 I suspect Perry is doing the same thing.

Of course you do.

Posted by: toby928™ at August 26, 2011 11:21 PM (GTbGH)

319 Pam responds to Ace and others at http://preview.tinyurl.com/3moa8wx

Posted by: I Agree More With Pam at August 27, 2011 02:05 AM (fMzd7)

320 Ace's epic fail: the material he quotes is not the Perry/Aga Khan curriculum at all:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2011/08/the-first-time-this-was.html

Posted by: Robert Spencer at August 27, 2011 12:09 PM (xbkK/)

321 Get lost Spencer for hire. Nice to see you are a stooge for Pammycakes.

Posted by: Profiterole at August 27, 2011 03:55 PM (ychgM)

322 Since Ace has been so rude to the anti-Jihad folksPerry should disavow ACES. I like Perry and have since Ilived in Texas a few years ago intend to vote for him. However I am NOT a fan of his pal Norquist and his Muslima wife. It will be a shame to see HAMAS friendly Norquist get more access to the WHITE HOUSE if Perry hauls Norquist's baggage with him WHEN he is elected.
And all of ya'll guys calling a lady... ANY LADY bad names... there should be no place on this website for your BAD BEHAVIOR no matter WHO YOU ARE.
ACE, growup and get rid of the NASTYS who are posting here... be the gentleman you really are at heart. Bye for now...
Texas ROSEBUD!

Posted by: THE TEXAS ROSEBUD at August 27, 2011 04:43 PM (wDBeM)

323

victoria_29 "What
has happened is Rick Perry got in the race has surged Palin can't
stand it"



And of course you have proof of Palin not standing this,
right? Or did you just pull that shit out
of your ass? Here's a recent example from
her Iowa State Fair Hannity interview of just how bad it is that "Palin can't
stand it":



"And as for Rick Perry I do hope he jumps into the
race. The more the merrier. The more ideas that are debated the better
for the electorate. You deserve good
choices in these 2012 elections. So I
hope he and others are willing to put themselves forward in the name of service."



http://tinyurl.com/3d4cqre

Posted by: jimr3 at August 27, 2011 05:04 PM (iZAk8)

324 The Texas Dream act was awesome! Just what we want as conservatives!

Posted by: Dan at August 27, 2011 05:51 PM (mXBxH)

325 test

Posted by: purity Ebooks at August 29, 2011 01:01 AM (Ou4YC)

326 Up here in Norway we have a new saying: "Far gone in Breivik land", referring to the Oslo terrorist. Its the point where you start seeing "cultural marxists" (all to the left of John Birch) and jihadis (all muslims, including ahmadiyas, ishmailis, sufis and so on) not as political opponents but as manifestations of cosmic evil. She seems to forget that the terps fighting and dying alongside US and NATO servicemen these long last 10 years have been muslim. Following her logic, the US military is dhimmi, since it allows its terps to retain their religion.

I sincerely hope that some of the forces in the republican party fight back against this new conspiracy-fear. Cause its rising, and its rising fast.

Posted by: Norwegian at August 29, 2011 05:36 AM (1/jML)

327 Here's why a lot of us are anti-muslim, no matter who they are. To be muslim, they have to believe mo was the perfect man. mo was a crazed, murdering, raping pedophile. They must follow the koran. The koran says hate and kill not only the Jews, but ALL unbelievers, unless they convert. Now unless they stand up and say they are starting a brand new sect of islam NOT bvased on mo's life or the hadiths or the koran, we cannot trust. And if they DO have this new sect, it, by its nature, cannot be islam -- Unless someone can explain how it's still islam when it puts aside the book and the founder.

Posted by: Ahem at August 29, 2011 08:54 PM (VBMPI)






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