Overnight Open Thread - Boring Tuesday Edition

Good evening M&Ms.

A glimpse of the past: San Francisco in 1905
Here is some footage taken from a streetcar in San Francisco back in 1905, before the 1906 earthquake. It's interesting to watch the people dodge streetcars, early automobiles, and even horses. And apparently people really did wear the costumes that we see today in period pieces. And I doubt any of the people shown would have imagined that they would be watched by people almost a hundred years later using magic-like technology. Yet I doubt they were fundamentally all that different from you or me. The soundtrack is La Femme D'Argent by Air.

Remember the UKIP member of the European parliament Nigel Farage who launched a tirade against EU President Herman van Rompuy and Belgium during a session?
Well now he's being fined €3000 for insulting Belgium. So let's review Farage's harangue:


Well he is right about Belgium but apparently truth is no defense in the EP. And free speech is not cheap there either.

The Lockerbie Bomber: Still alive
Now 3 months past his final 3 months and no longer receiving any hospital treatments.

The 12 Biggest Ripoffs in America
Text messages, movie theater popcorn, college textbooks - yep these are all ripoffs. And don't forget about printer ink.

The Man behind MacGyver
Here's an interesting interview with Lee David Zlotoff, the creator of MacGyver, who shares some of his thoughts on DIY, fix-all tools, widespread MacGyver-love, and MacGruber.

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Ronald Reagan's grandson now a wanted man
Because sometimes showing up to court is such a hassle man.

Admiral Ackbar to become new Ole Miss mascot?
Well he's in the lead but some alumni aren't happy. But LucasFilm seems okay with it.

admiralackbar.jpg

Girl breaks bowling alley
And a water pipe?

The Yahoo AoSHQ group. You know the way.

Tonight's post brought to you by Ozzy:

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Comments

1 Yay ONT!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:40 PM (gofDd)

2 Ozzy is a Blues fan?

Respect falling for the Prince of Darkness.......

Posted by: Mortis at March 02, 2010 09:41 PM (QjuDE)

3 yeah

Posted by: Orly at March 02, 2010 09:41 PM (nGR17)

4 As bad as I am at bowling, the worst I've ever done is slip and fall on my ass. And luckily not down the lane.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:41 PM (gofDd)

5 Am I in 2004 and don't know it?

Posted by: David C at March 02, 2010 09:43 PM (ihhMS)

6 Hey all!
Props to the moron who provided the link to the "In Search of: Bigfoot" video. That is friggin' gold.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 09:44 PM (omtdM)

7 That chick prolly caused about 10K+ damage to those lanes. Yikes.

Posted by: Soap MacTavish at March 02, 2010 09:46 PM (554T5)

8 Ozzy is a Blues fan? That is brutal.

Posted by: kefka at March 02, 2010 09:46 PM (n1uMU)

9 OT: ...if you can be O/T on an ONT...
I need to find a good internet fax service. Secure, trustworthy and honest, whether for free or a nominal (I hope) charge.
Can you (I know) morons recommend a good choice? Thanks!!
I trust you all much more than google..... ;-)

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 09:47 PM (B8WUW)

10 Was Ozzy shirtless when arrested, and they just threw on the jersey for dignity's sake?

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 09:48 PM (omtdM)

11
The choices for Ole Miss mascot are either Admiral Ackbar or Barack Hussein Obama.It's the snorting, puffing, farting Admiral Ackbar all the way.

Posted by: Fish at March 02, 2010 09:48 PM (M5t+h)

12 I wonder if Ozzy was just as intelligible then as he is now.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:48 PM (gofDd)

13 I sure would be careful ifI was anywhere in the same building when that bowler picked up her ball. You could see her thinking, gee, this is a really great way to get rid of my bf.

Posted by: mystry at March 02, 2010 09:49 PM (kmgIE)

14 Awesome video/film of San Fran. Not a single person seen is still alive, I guess; maybe some baby who's 104? Wow.

But perhaps most wow is that looming tower in the background. What is it/was it? It looks like a painting when it's further in the distance.

And I while part of me cringes at the thought, I'd like to see this film colorized. Because the past always looks more remote than it is in BW

Posted by: ParisParamus at March 02, 2010 09:49 PM (flcpl)

15 The clip of old San Francisco is wonderful.
I had no idea there where so many cars at that time. There must have been hundreds, perhaps thousands in the city.
Something to learn every day.

Posted by: proreason at March 02, 2010 09:49 PM (+8dSJ)

16 4 As bad as I am at bowling, the worst I've ever done is slip and fall on my ass. And luckily not down the lane.

I've seen people do that on Wii bowling. But they did NOT virtually fall on their ass!

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 09:49 PM (B8WUW)

17 I wonder if Ozzy was just as intelligible then as he
is now.

Posted by: wherestherum


Mumble grumble snort cocksucker slammajamma SHARON!

Posted by: Mortis at March 02, 2010 09:50 PM (QjuDE)

18 I had an e-fax account back in the day. Not sure what the site was, maybe just efax dot com?

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 09:50 PM (omtdM)

19 *stamps stompy boots*
I'm so frustrated! I'm going to go crazy soon if I don't get a piece of some hot, sweet lady flesh. I saw a hot blonde today wearing a leather boustierre that shoved her D-cup sized melons right in my face. So I leaned over and licked one, and she liked it. We made out for a few minutes, but then the bus got to her stop. I asked for her digits, but she said she was already in another relationship with a woman, so the only way she could play with me was if her girlfriend got to play too. Needless to say, I was agreeable, but then the bus pulled away. I could just cry!

Posted by: PGiS's Inner Dialogue at March 02, 2010 09:50 PM (1fanL)

20 I see the drivers were just as batshit crazy back in 1905.

Posted by: Skookumchuk at March 02, 2010 09:50 PM (btzPD)

21 The thing I liked about the video is even 106 years ago we had fat cops.

Makes me proud to be an American

Posted by: Mortis at March 02, 2010 09:50 PM (QjuDE)

22 Finally my beloved Ole Miss has made the ONT. My year is complete.

Posted by: Penguin at March 02, 2010 09:51 PM (lJcNC)

23 Streecar???

No.

CABLE-car!

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at March 02, 2010 09:51 PM (juqsO)

24 Randy Rhodes.

Word.

Posted by: jcjimi Polanski at March 02, 2010 09:52 PM (XSikc)

25 sock off

Posted by: jcjimi at March 02, 2010 09:52 PM (XSikc)

26 The things I've seen...
The places I've been...

That chicken really needs to stop bitching.

Posted by: Nancy Pelosi's bottle of KY Jelly at March 02, 2010 09:53 PM (tpWtf)

27 Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 09:47 PM (B8WUW)
--Oops forgot to paste. My #18 was in reply.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 09:53 PM (omtdM)

28 Finally my beloved Ole Miss has made the ONT. My
year is complete.

Posted by: Penguin at March 02, 2010 09:51 PM (lJcNC)
Well, somebody's gotta love 'em. I guess. Hey, did you happen to make the Klan rally last fall? Was that for the benefit of recruits?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 09:54 PM (1fanL)

29 Anyone paying attention to the stupid crap going down at UCSD re the noose? The person who made it apologized, said she made it because she was fooling around and forgot about it, leaving it in the library.

Ya know, for a bunch of "smart" college kids, did it ever occur to them that other people were hanged in this country, not just black people? And that nooses have been around for centuries, not just since Reconstruction? (That's rhetorical, btw.)

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:54 PM (gofDd)

30 Oh, and she got suspended, the girl who made the noose. Srsly. And the other students are decrying the "lack of diversity." You can't get more left than a UC campus and the students are freaking out, calling it a hostile environment. Jesus. College kids are retards.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:56 PM (gofDd)

31 Was Ozzy shirtless when arrested, and they just threw on the jersey for
dignity's sake?

A Blues jersey for dignity's sake?

Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 09:56 PM (2zkIP)

32 College kids are retards.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:56 PM (gofDd)
College girls. Bless their hearts.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 09:56 PM (1fanL)

33 HI EVERYBODY

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 09:57 PM (cMo6P)

34 Thanks logprof.
My boss suggested that too, but I don't want to just "pick one," since I've got some/alldata that needs to be secure. I've got a Clear account too, maybe I'll try them....when I googled internet fax, there were about a million possibilities, and I'm figuring some of them have gotta be scams.....

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 09:57 PM (B8WUW)

35 Anyone paying attention to the stupid crap going down at UCSD re the
noose? The person who made it apologized, said she made it because she
was fooling around and forgot about it, leaving it in the library.

You want to know something else screwed, I only realized today that the guy who organized the "Compton Cookout" at UCSD was also Black.

Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 09:57 PM (2zkIP)

36 HI EVERYBODY

Hi Dr. Nick!

Posted by: Mortis at March 02, 2010 09:57 PM (QjuDE)

37 Ya know, for a bunch of "smart" college kids, did it
ever occur to them that other people were hanged in this country, not
just black people? And that nooses have been around for centuries, not
just since Reconstruction? (That's rhetorical, btw.)

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:54 PM (gofDd)
I'm sorry, you racist bint, but you are absolutely incorrect. Nooses were non-existent until 1863, SIR. Judas didn't hang himself. It's totally made up.

Posted by: Keef Doberman at March 02, 2010 09:58 PM (YX6i/)

38
The shame of Ole Miss is the graduation and ultimate adulation for Miss Shepard Smith, chief faggot of Fox News.
Honorable mention goes to Smith for his whiny liberal bitch screeching on the overpass in New Orleans during Katrina. Ditto Poncho Villa, or more commonly known as Geraldo Rivera, the fake Rican.

Posted by: Fish at March 02, 2010 09:58 PM (M5t+h)

39 Fuck you morons, I'm gonna go over and spend the night with the Swedish Twins. Only fair, they drank all my booze last night. Now it's their turn. What's the world coming too if woman don't buy the drinks now and then? After all, they want "equality".

Posted by: GarandFan at March 02, 2010 09:58 PM (6mwMs)

40 I'm figuring some of them have gotta be scams.....
Wait, are you saying you can't trust the Internets? Oh noes!!!


Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 09:58 PM (gofDd)

41 The movie popcorn is not such a ripoff if there's a free refill --and its couple of course with free refills on the drinks!
Paying for a busienss class seat on a plane out of your own pocket is a ripoff as well.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 09:59 PM (omtdM)

42 College girls. Bless their hearts.
Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 09:56 PM (1fanL)

....and its nice that they rotate them out every August......

Out with the old, in with the new! (does that make me a perv?)

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 09:59 PM (B8WUW)

43 Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 09:57 PM (2zkIP)

The political correctness shit is beyond ridiculous. I'd organize everyone I could and show up in blackface and do a sit in in the chancellor's office.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:00 PM (gofDd)

44 ....and its nice that they rotate
them out every August......

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 09:59 PM (B8WUW)
I keep getting older, they stay the same age.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 10:01 PM (1fanL)

45 A Blues jersey for dignity's sake?
Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 09:56 PM (2zkIP)
--Well, it was probably the cheap throwaway thing they had at hand.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 10:01 PM (omtdM)

46
The footage was taken traveling East on Market Street. That is the Ferry Building straight ahead.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at March 02, 2010 10:02 PM (Oxen1)

47 Coool! The twelve biggest "ripoffs," and Me, an Auto Mechanic, isn't even mentioned. Not even in the comments.
I feel the love, Morons and Moronettes.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:02 PM (vQcmS)

48 I beat the textbook ripoff in grad school by having Taiwanese room mates. Apparently, all US textbooks are bootlegged in Taiwan on much flimsier paper with cheaper bindings. We just put in a big order with their relatives and a box of textbooks at ~25% the US cost (even with shipping included) appeared a couple of weeks later.

We all saved hundreds of dollars running that scam.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:03 PM (wdZP3)

49 Coool! The twelve biggest "ripoffs," and Me, an Auto Mechanic, isn't even mentioned. Not even in the comments.
I feel the love, Morons and Moronettes.
Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:02 PM (vQcmS)
--Shhhhh!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: otate your tires for $50? at March 02, 2010 10:04 PM (omtdM)

50 We all saved hundreds of dollars running that scam.

Posted by: Purple Avenger
at March 02, 2010 10:03 PM (wdZP3)
We'll be around to pick you up later.

Posted by: Copyright Police at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (1fanL)

51 Fuck. Punchline wasted.

Posted by: Rotate your tires for $50? at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (omtdM)

52 Paris: That tower is the ferry terminal clock tower at the foot of Market Street. I worked across the street from it for many years, and commuted through the terminal thousands of times. Coffee in the a.m. and beer on the way home!

Posted by: Uncle Jed at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (eKgqT)

53 I wonder if having Admiral Ackbar as a mascot would hold up over time. I suppose the character is already 30 years old, so he's more than a fad.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (cMo6P)

54 I keep getting older, they stay the same age.
Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 10:01 PM (1fanL)


Word. What a great town!!!

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (B8WUW)

55 Hell, for $50, I'll even rotate your tires TWICE!

Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (vQcmS)

56 That is the Ferry Building straight ahead.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at
March 02, 2010 10:02 PM (Oxen1)
C'mon you poser. Everybody knows it's the Fairy Building.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 10:06 PM (1fanL)

57 That's OK Logprof, I'm somewhat fluent in typo, and I got it.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:06 PM (vQcmS)

58 is it just me or is there way too much concrete for 1904.

Posted by: David C at March 02, 2010 10:06 PM (ihhMS)

59 I said "CABLE-car" and I will NOT be ignored!







Who do you people think you are....my wife?

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at March 02, 2010 10:07 PM (juqsO)

60 <a href="http://___110.yfrog.com/i/clinton.jpg/">This pic made me laugh</a>, repeatedly. It has a certain... je ne sais quoi.

Posted by: dorkafork at March 02, 2010 10:07 PM (98yel)

61 The '12 Biggest Ripoffs' list is obviously flawed without one hour martinizing.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:07 PM (Oo6wg)

62 I wonder if having Admiral Ackbar as a mascot would
hold up over time. I suppose the character is already 30 years old, so
he's more than a fad.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (cMo6P)
Trade out a Rebel general for a Rebel Admiral. Not a terrible idea.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 10:07 PM (1fanL)

63 I do my own tire rotations. You go to Walmart, wait for someone to go in who has a car with compatible rims/tires that look new, then rotate their tires onto your car, and your old whupped tires onto their car.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:08 PM (wdZP3)

64 Posted by: Rotate your tires for $50? at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (omtdM)

Nice to see that there are some converts to Obama-nomics. Maybe an extra $1 to make sure the air pressure is right? 'Cause that'll save the world! Excelsior!

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 10:08 PM (B8WUW)

65 You know what's not overpriced?

Val-u-rite.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:08 PM (cMo6P)

66 Why couldn't somebody else from the Star Wars universe be the mascot? Like Thrawn, or the Sarlaac?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (otlXg)

67 I always bought my textbooks used if I could. What's also a rip off is you can't sell them back to the school for a reasonable price. The only give you $3 or $4 if that. Wankers.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (gofDd)

68
Cameron Reagan tripped the family alarm system and when the cops showed up last night he mouthed off and they arrested him for resisting arrest. Hence, he couldn't make it to court for the 'trees' charges. DumbAss!

Posted by: sickinmass at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (Dxfei)

69 Hmm, Strong beer a possible diet aid/path to holiness?

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (omtdM)

70 Hell, for $50, I'll even rotate your tires TWICE!

Posted by: JamesLee
at March 02, 2010 10:05 PM (vQcmS)
I've never understood paying for tire rotation. My tires rotate every time I drive.

Posted by: Hot Blonde at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (1fanL)

71 61 The '12 Biggest Ripoffs' list is obviously flawed without one hour martinizing.
Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:07 PM (Oo6wg)
Damn right!

Posted by: 59 minute martinizing at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (S3BMi)

72 Bloody hell. http://___110.yfrog.com/i/clinton.jpg/

Posted by: dorkafork at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (98yel)

73 But perhaps most wow is that looming tower in the background. What
is it/was it? It looks like a painting when it's further in the
distance.

It's the Ferry Building.

Which explains why a lot of the people catching the cable car are holding suitcases (or, in at least one case, having a coolie carry the suitcase). Before the bridges were built in the late 1930s, loaded trains were ferried back and forth across the Bay.

Posted by: DelD at March 02, 2010 10:10 PM (eWtdM)

74 Or Anakin.





Nevermind.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:10 PM (cMo6P)

75 Maybe an extra $1 to make sure the air pressure is right?

And the latest scam -- "nitrogen filled". Unless you plan on driving at insane speeds, its not going to matter.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:10 PM (wdZP3)

76 Having traveled for years in some of the most repressive, backwards societies on earth, I cannot begin to tell you how stunning ad meaningful that San Francisco video is to me. The creativity, ebullience, optimism, freedom, ingenuity, fearlessness, curiosity, boldness, vision, and wealth I see in that clip is everything I love about my country.

Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 10:10 PM (2zkIP)

77 The fat cops with nightsticks and the paper boys were pretty cool. Actually good to know that that wasn't just hollywood stuff. And everybody wore a hat.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at March 02, 2010 10:11 PM (cpuvG)

78 Crazy sh*t over at Drudge:
OBAMA TO TRIGGER NUKE OPTION ON HEALTHCARE

I'm so tired of this. My Mom is dealing with cancer, and she is in the Democrat-dispensable age group, so if this goes through, they will let her die.

Posted by: shibumi at March 02, 2010 10:11 PM (OKZrE)

79 I've been to SF dozens of times since I was a kid. Nothing will make me love that city.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:11 PM (gofDd)

80 Bloody hell. http://___110.yfrog.com/i/clinton.jpg/

I know I'll need brain bleach, but can you fix the link?

Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 10:12 PM (2zkIP)

81 @63: I actually thought of doing that once in my shop. I needed tires, and I do some work for a used lot from time to time. One came in like mine that they had just got from the auction with almost new tires. I needed new ones.
Sometimes, I really hate this thing called a "conscience." MrsJamesLee says I'm honest to my own demise.
In my place, someone walks in who thinks they need a $300 alternator. A little bit of checking, they just have a loose cable. Yup, I "lose" $275 on it, but I can sleep. And they'll be back when there's another problem.
Hurry, get another problem! I need that $300 now.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:13 PM (vQcmS)

82 I've been to SF dozens of times since I was a kid.
Nothing will make me love that city.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:11 PM (gofDd)Ungrateful git.

Posted by: Chinatown at March 02, 2010 10:13 PM (1fanL)

83 Admiral Akbar is better than Shep Smith.

Posted by: TexasJew at March 02, 2010 10:14 PM (VZ5Uk)

84 someone walks in who thinks they need a $300 alternator.

Yea, I know, a lot of "rebuilt alternators" are sold that really just needed a new diode pack.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:15 PM (wdZP3)

85 Leave it to naked Aussies to make opera fun again.

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at March 02, 2010 10:15 PM (oJZe6)

86 Posted by: Chinatown at March 02, 2010 10:13 PM (1fanL)

The only reason I can see to go to SF's Chinatown is to get fortune cookies.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:15 PM (gofDd)

87 Admiral Ackbar...You have the charisma of a damp rag, and the appearance of a low grade bank clerk...I have to ask, who are you???

Posted by: Nigel Farage at March 02, 2010 10:16 PM (lxg2b)

88 Bloody hell. http://___110.yfrog.com/i/clinton.jpg/

I know I'll need brain bleach, but can you fix the link?

Replace the underscores with an "i" then an "m" thenna "g". I'm done wrestling with it.

It's just a picture of two peas in a pod.

Posted by: dorkafork at March 02, 2010 10:17 PM (98yel)

89
It would be great to film the same trip today and watch both back to back. But without smellovision the sharp chedder overtones of the homeless population's piles of shit (yes the City allows them to shit in public) would fail to convey an accurate view of how far the City has fallen since 1905.

Posted by: Atomic Roach at March 02, 2010 10:17 PM (Oxen1)

90 Yea, I know, a lot of "rebuilt alternators" are sold that really just needed a new diode pack.
Yep, bearings and diode trios are about all that ever fail on alternators. Nitrogen in tires is actually a good idea, it's just insane what shops charge for it.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:17 PM (Oo6wg)

91 Replace the underscores with an "i" then an "m" thenna "g". I'm done
wrestling with it.It's just a picture of two peas in a pod.

Phew -- brain saved. I thought it was going to include Hillary.

Posted by: arhooley at March 02, 2010 10:18 PM (2zkIP)

92 #90 Yep, bearings and diode trios are about all that ever fail on
alternators. Nitrogen in tires is actually a good idea, it's just
insane what shops charge for it.

Why? I seriously don't know. Isn't normal "air" about 70% nitrogen anyway?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 10:19 PM (otlXg)

93 I always bought my textbooks used if I could. What's
also a rip off is you can't sell them back to the school for a
reasonable price. The only give you $3 or $4 if that. Wankers.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:09 PM (gofDd)

Posted by: Editor at March 02, 2010 10:19 PM (YX6i/)

94 I fill my tires to gelatinous hobo blood.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:20 PM (cMo6P)

95 And the latest scam -- "nitrogen filled". Unless you plan on driving at insane speeds, its not going to matter.
No kidding. But NASCAR uses nitrogen, and the sales monkeys who want to sell me the nitrogen machine will be more than happy to put signs like that all over my place. Oh and if you get air in your tires anywhere else, your warranty is void, naturally.
Regular air DOES vary pressures with temperatures, usually no more than 5-7 PSI depending on the tires and shit. But at normal highway speeds, who gives a rip.
And actually, on the alternators just needing a diode pack, sometimes it's actually cheaper to buy the 'rebuilt' peice that the labor time to tear it down and replace stuff. Unless you are actually doing it yourself. If you are paying someone else, get the 'new' part, at least they (usually) will warranty it for a while.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:20 PM (vQcmS)

96 Meatlocker, you show the days of San Fran before the big quake. I've seen the footage of both this after the big'un. Seeing both together is quite trippy.

Posted by: Corona at March 02, 2010 10:20 PM (woZIc)

97 All the people in the SF video are dead.

I think the fat cop went first.

I really wanted to see what was in those big-ass wagons.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:22 PM (D7/BU)

98 Why? I seriously don't know. Isn't normal "air" about 70% nitrogen
anyway?

Heat transfer characteristics, non-oxidizing, blah, blah. The incremental gain isn't worth the $7/tire they're charging locally here in Palm Beach. You'd be better off spending that $7 on some green slime to help prevent flats.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:23 PM (wdZP3)

99 San Francisco is an entire city that is inappropriate for children. Seriously, you can't even bring your kids to the park without some nude bicycle protest going past you.

What biking nude has to do with war, I'll never know. One could be forgiven for thinking it's just an excuse for exhibitionism.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:23 PM (cMo6P)

100 94
I fill my tires to gelatinous hobo blood.

Why that? Did somebody convert you?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 10:23 PM (otlXg)

101 I don't know why! I just do what the dog tells me.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:25 PM (cMo6P)

102 Unless you plan on driving at insane speeds, its not going to matter.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:10 PM
Uhm...is over 120 mph for 30 mins OK?

Posted by: hutch1200 at March 02, 2010 10:25 PM (zQ+Jy)

103 I don't get a bad vibe from SF. Sure, there are bums, but so what, they are everywhere.

It's a really cool city. Just stay out of the shitty areas.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:26 PM (D7/BU)

104 "Props to the moron who provided the link to the "In Search of: Bigfoot" video. That is friggin' gold."

youre welcome, that intro-synth music is perfection isnt it?

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:26 PM (SlvZ2)

105 Kratos: Nitrogen is very inert. Remember the balloon in the freezer thing in Jr.High science? If you filled the balloon with pure nitrogen, it would not shrink, or at least not nearly as much as with normal air.
The idea is that your tires last better, get better grip and control at a specific PSI. Not to mention gas milage. That's why the racing teams use it, a couple of laps at 180+ a tire normally inflated to, oh, say, 50lbs would be 75lbs. That makes a huge difference at that speed, but at 60 in a passenger car, again, no big whup. Difference between milage, longevity, ect, versus cost (which comes from the shop wanting to pay off that damn machine that extracts the pure nitrogen), is miniscule at best, if a benefit at all.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:27 PM (vQcmS)

106 Maybe they could compromise and use nitrous oxide.

Posted by: Groovy Hippie at March 02, 2010 10:27 PM (1fanL)

107 Why? I seriously don't know. Isn't normal "air" about 70% nitrogen anyway?
Almost 80% actually. The problem is the moisture content typically in compressed air. It will really expand and contract due to temperature, both ambient and what is created by friction from contact with the pavement while driving. In my wife's car, which requires an insanely high 49 psig in the rear tires, I've seen a 8 lb drop on cold mornings. And I have a dessicant drier on my compressor. Does it make a huge difference? Not really.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:28 PM (Oo6wg)

108 78 - so sorry about your mother - prayers for strength for her and your family.

The video is amazing. I am crazy and have always been about the idea of time travel. Watching that video I wish I could have jumped into it for just a little bit. I did not see one person directing any traffic of anything - not the streetcars, cars, wagons - wonder how many crashes there were everyday. It kinda looked like some of the people were just playing with the streetcars dodging them. It was great - I particularly liked the paper boy.

Posted by: obamastillsucks at March 02, 2010 10:29 PM (N2Zx0)

109 The twelve biggest "ripoffs," and Me, an Auto Mechanic, isn't even
mentioned.

Pffffft. You guys are pikers.

Posted by: Goldman Sachs at March 02, 2010 10:29 PM (v7IWy)

110 Uhm...is over 120 mph for 30 mins OK?

You figure on leading the cops past a Dunkin Donuts within 60 miles, right?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:29 PM (wdZP3)

111 Evening, All

Posted by: fluffy at March 02, 2010 10:29 PM (SwkdU)

112 Tires last longer if you fill them with Valu-Rite. Not only that, when you pull off the highway, you can sip from a value stem to get your energy back.

Posted by: GarandFan at March 02, 2010 10:30 PM (6mwMs)

113 I love San Francisco. Prettiest city on earth.. IMO.
Too bad its been hijacked by libs.

Posted by: Kristi at March 02, 2010 10:30 PM (7GgDy)

114 That chick who hates bowling alleys needs to be infiltrated into an Iranian nuclear facility.

Stat.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:30 PM (D7/BU)

115 @9 I've had good luck with this one:

http://fax1.com/

Posted by: mpur at March 02, 2010 10:30 PM (7m5P2)

116 Does it make a huge difference? Not really.
Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:28 PM (Oo6wg)
Shows what you know, teabagger. If we all kept our tires properly inflated, we wouldn't need any more oil.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 02, 2010 10:31 PM (1fanL)

117 92
#90 Yep, bearings and diode trios are about all that ever fail on
alternators. Nitrogen in tires is actually a good idea, it's just
insane what shops charge for it.

Why? I seriously don't know. Isn't normal "air" about 70% nitrogen anyway?


Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 10:19 PM (otlXg)
At sea level, not where I am...

Posted by: Prometheus at March 02, 2010 10:31 PM (cvvNY)

118 I don't get a bad vibe from SF. Sure, there are bums, but so what, they are everywhere.

SF is dirty. Everything is dirty. There's trash everywhere and bums everywhere. And bum piss everywhere. That wet stuff on the ground isn't water. The subway is disgusting and so are the buses. The NYC subways are cleaner than San Fran's.

Santa Monica is like an extension of SF. It's full of bums mingled in with high end shops and eateries. It's an odd juxtaposition, but the lefties like it because they can condescend to the bums.

Also SF is the worst run city in the nation. There was an article in one of the SF papers about it; I think it was the Chronicle.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:31 PM (gofDd)

119 What's crackin', Fluffy?

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:32 PM (cMo6P)

120 Good Evening Morons and Moronettes:
In defense of the local hockey club - Ozzy isn't a Blue's fan. It just happened to be the only shirt he could find in the morning without vomit/liquor/animal blood on it and decided to wear that.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 02, 2010 10:32 PM (V9SYy)

121 the other night someone on here said that after their visit to the pyramids of giza they felt a tad ripped off....after checking out various flickr photos of the place, and even a little video i gotta say....wow, how....underwheleming...

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:32 PM (SlvZ2)

122 Prettiest city on earth...

Some of the "painted ladies" are kinda nice albeit rather pricy, the rest not so much.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:33 PM (wdZP3)

123 My foster son, who, being employed by the railroad (i.e., the union), has leftist leanings, and likes to get my honest opinion on things from time to time. He just asked me on my opinion of Kay Griggs. I've never heard of her but did a search on her to find her a military conspiracy theorist. Anyone want to clue me in?

Posted by: katya at March 02, 2010 10:33 PM (iU/w4)

124 I hardly notice them, rum.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:33 PM (D7/BU)

125 youre welcome, that intro-synth music is perfection isnt it?
Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:26 PM (SlvZ2)
--Totally trippin'. Also hilarious were the conspiracy theorists posting. It does not matter if it's JFK, 9/11, or Bigfoot: the same themes are there.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 10:33 PM (omtdM)

126 http://pointsandfigures.com/2010/02/23/a-mascot-passes/

Posted by: jeff at March 02, 2010 10:34 PM (HScbI)

127
Where is this In Search Of linkage? I used to love that show, that and Nightstalker were the X-files before the x-files.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 02, 2010 10:35 PM (v7IWy)

128 I hardly notice them, rum.

I should've sent you to my grandparents' house in my place every Thanksgiving. They lived in the Castro. Except when they moved there it wasn't owned by teh gheys.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:35 PM (gofDd)

129 youre welcome, that intro-synth music is perfection isnt it?
Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:26 PM (SlvZ2)
--Also teh awesome that Nimoy also narrated the AE version.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 10:35 PM (omtdM)

130 105Kratos: Nitrogen is very inert. Remember the balloon in the freezer
thing in Jr.High science? If you filled the balloon with pure
nitrogen, it would not shrink, or at least not nearly as much as with
normal air.

No, but I probably just replaced the knowledge of that experiment with clips of Gene Simmon's better half from several of her 90's Skinemax flicks. Thanks for the info though.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 10:35 PM (otlXg)

131 108 An example of why Brooklyn's baseball team was called "Dodgers".People don't understand the reference nowadays.

Posted by: steevy at March 02, 2010 10:37 PM (jbaLx)

132 "Also hilarious were the conspiracy theorists posting."

as silly and debunkable as they are, i have to admit....i love a good conspiracy theory. i will sit and listen to any high strung nut tell me about govt. cover ups, UFO's and all types of coast2coast crap they come up with. i just find it dazzling how some people live in this bizarro-nightmare world lol its like adult campfire tales n shit like that.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:37 PM (SlvZ2)

133 I have a fondness for Cryptozoology.

Bigfoot turning out to be real would be so badass.

Too bad it is all nonsense.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:37 PM (D7/BU)

134 Every one of those people in that 1905 San Fran film, are dead now. Billions. All dead.

Are you happy now, denialists?

ARE YOU?!

Posted by: Beethoven Von Sanchopanza at March 02, 2010 10:37 PM (BhLdo)

135 Fidel Castro:
I know, I know, I know... but we all knew from day one this mumbo jumbo
wouldn't fly! I'll call Washington and tell them they won.


Castro's Aide #1:
But presidente, America tried to kill you!



Fidel Castro:
Ah, they're not so bad. They even named a street after me in San Francisco!


[Aide #2 whispers something into his ear]



Fidel Castro:
It's full of what

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 10:37 PM (cMo6P)

136 Nitrogen is very inert
You want to see inert --- my teenage daughters - Saturday morning. Not one movement before noon.

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 02, 2010 10:38 PM (V9SYy)

137 I'm getting word that KBH has just conceded to Perry.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:39 PM (Oo6wg)

138 That same spot, one year later:

Link

Actually, there's a lot more footage from the 1906 earthquake than I ever realized existed:

Link


Posted by: AD at March 02, 2010 10:40 PM (HZ2qw)

139 136,

Ha!

My daughters sleep like Dracula, too.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:40 PM (D7/BU)

140 On the mechanic ripoff, I want to rant for a sec, if you will indulge me.
Couple of years ago, sweeps week, undercover vid, yada yada. Yup, some places were pathetic on what they did. What got me was their "expert" who narrated what was a rip or not.
Explaining that selling that air filter with your oil change was "gravy," they showed their undercover footage of someone pulling out a BLACK air filter. He scoffed, pretty much saying never buy the air filter, it's a ripoff. Dude, I check that out and find a black oily air filter, I'm not only telling you that you need one, I'm telling you that you need at least a new PCV valve, if not some engine testing to find out why you are blowing oil into areas where there there should not be oil. It might prevent you from blowing up your engine a few weeks from now.
Then the next day, he was on the morning radio, and a caller asked why he would recommend the dealership versus an independent, when the dealership charged anywhere from 50% to 100% more for the same service. The reply was that anyone other than the dealer was using "substandard or black market parts." Pissed me off royally.
Say what you want about Original Parts, but there are cases where the Aftermarket is actually better. They have had a chance to see the part in question in the field, and correct for the weak sections when they manufactured it.
Plus, my labor rate is a good 20% less than the dealers in my area, and I've seen some work coming out of dealers that I had to fix afterwards. Bastards.
OK, Sorry, I'll drop this now. Back to Boobies and Boots.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 02, 2010 10:40 PM (vQcmS)

141 Bigfoot may be nonsense eman, but the WAMPUS CAT haunts the Appalachians....



It rained fish in Oz today. Charles Fort would be pleased....

Posted by: Kasper Hauser at March 02, 2010 10:40 PM (juqsO)

142 Where is this In Search Of linkage? I used to love that show, that and Nightstalker were the X-files before the x-files.
Posted by: Dang Straights at March 02, 2010 10:35 PM (v7IWy)
--str8 posted it a couple of nights ago.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 10:41 PM (omtdM)

143 Who's Kay Griggs?

Posted by: katya at March 02, 2010 10:41 PM (iU/w4)

144 The 1906 earthquake was, in a way, a boon to all the Chinese immigrants, especially the illegal ones. All they had to do was claim their papers were burned in the fires. There was no way to prove if it was true or not.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:41 PM (gofDd)

145 137 I'm getting word that KBH has just conceded to Perry.
Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:39 PM (Oo6wg)
on her knees?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 10:42 PM (Vu6sl)

146 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIvFI82uac0


in search of atlantis....our favorite mythical city which if real, woulda been filled with probably the most anooying people on the planet.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:43 PM (SlvZ2)

147 I like Cryptozoology too.I like when the real "scientists" get presented with things they scoffed at.Scientists insist upon themselves.

Posted by: steevy at March 02, 2010 10:43 PM (jbaLx)

148 Sheesh, everyone knows Atlantis is in the Pegasus galaxy.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:44 PM (wdZP3)

149 #146 in search of atlantis....our favorite mythical city which if real,
woulda been filled with probably the most anooying people on the planet.

Probably Na'vi. I remember a while ago there was some post here claiming that Atlantis was found using Google Earth because supposedly it found street markings, but it turned out that it was nonsense.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 10:44 PM (otlXg)

150 For the UKIP guy, can we set up something like they did for Haiti so that if text "KickBelgianButt" to a certain number, the guy will get some money to help pay his fine. Heck, if we load him up a little, he might even be able to improve on his previous demolition of this should-be nobody.

Posted by: OCBill at March 02, 2010 10:44 PM (p28Ei)

151 Nitrogen is inert at ambient temperature.

At much higher temps it reacts like a crazy man.

Interestingly, living things figured out how to rip apart the N2 molecule at ambient temperature with relative ease.

Sneaky little bastards.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:44 PM (D7/BU)

152 Probably Na'vi. I remember a while ago there was some post here
claiming that Atlantis was found using Google Earth because supposedly
it found street markings, but it turned out that it was nonsense."


ya i went and looked for it on google earff and found what they were talkin bout. funny to see people's videos explaining it though.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:46 PM (SlvZ2)

153 Of all the stories regarding the '06 'quake, my favorite is the following.

People, then as now, likened natural disasters to God's vengeance. San Francisco enjoyed, then as now, a seedy reputation, a place where you could get whatever you wanted, whenever you wanted. It was all true, of course.

The 'quake came, and the resultant fire burned most of the city, including almost every major church and temple.

Hotaling's whiskey warehouse, located at the wharves, escaped the destruction.

Later, it was published thusly:

"If God has punished San Francisco
for being overly frisky,
then why did He burn the churches down
instead of Hotaling's Whiskey?"

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 10:46 PM (zAVye)

154 I have a fondness for Cryptozoology. Bigfoot turning out to be real would be so badass. Too bad it is all nonsense.
Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:37 PM (D7/BU)
--I know. Goiung back to the conspiracy theory thing, acommon theme is the utter overlooking of human nature involved.
Always with these creatures that are "captured" they seem to myseteriously disappear when a "specimen" is captured or discovered. Really? Even a petty thief would recognize the huge windfall available --human greed would overpower all.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 10:46 PM (omtdM)

155 Texas overwhelming chose to acknowledge the existence of God today. 95% voted yes on Prop 4.

Christopher Hitchens is demanding a recount.

Posted by: Chris R at March 02, 2010 10:47 PM (AO4qz)

156 Hmm... apparently it was once legal to make left turns in SF.

Posted by: chucko at March 02, 2010 10:47 PM (vdv4T)

157 Texas overwhelming chose to acknowledge the existence of God today. 95% voted yes on Prop 4.
God bless Texas.

Posted by: Countrysquire at March 02, 2010 10:48 PM (Oo6wg)

158 Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 10:46 PM (zAVye)

Heh. I like that.

My best friend grew up in a Victorian in SF in the 50s and 60s. She swore it was haunted since a lot of the surrounding area, and probably the Victorian she lived in, was built on top of the rubble (and bodies) from the earthquake.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:49 PM (gofDd)

159 "If God has punished San Francisco for being overly frisky, then why did He burn the churches down instead of Hotaling's Whiskey?"
Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 10:46 PM (zAVye)
You're obviously missing the nuance of God's message.

Posted by: Pat Robertson at March 02, 2010 10:49 PM (Vu6sl)

160 Seriously, has anybody heard of Kay Griggs? Just say yes or no.

Posted by: katya at March 02, 2010 10:49 PM (iU/w4)

161 katya, I have not.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 10:49 PM (gofDd)

162 Nope.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:50 PM (wdZP3)

163 38
The shame of Ole Miss is the graduation and ultimate adulation for Miss Shepard Smith, chief faggot of Fox News.
*************
I love it when Mark Levin derisively refers to him as Shemp Smith.

Heh.

Posted by: effinayright at March 02, 2010 10:50 PM (QKrnr)

164
>>I'm so tired of this. ..Posted by: shibumi..

I believe that Barack Obama’s vision of what America should be is so foreign to the concept upon which the country was built that the support I was able to conjure for his presidency can only be viewed now as overly optimistic and naive. My sense of this nation’s greatness led me to believe that we had the strength to survive whatever his presidency might bring – indeed, I was optimistic that he would be swayed by the beauty of the vision of our Founders to abandon his radicalism. Now, it is clear that my optimism led me astray.
I’m not going to wallow in the cruel hoax of turning to the people who are dismantling the American experiment and asking them to save it – I want to accept that Democrats have won because Republicans screwed up, and that’s how it goes in the toggle mentality of a two party system.

Their worst goals must be resisted, yes, but as an optimist, I will trust that the flaws of liberalism, when seen up close, will reaffirm in America it’s basic conservatism. We must help them be the tools of their own demise.

I also think we must accept that America has been altered inexorably – this is not the European culture we grew up in, the forces that sought to minimize it’s whiteness and make it a multi-cultural place have succeeded. That’s not a bad thing, per se, it’s just a different thing. It only hurts when you fight it. At the same time, we must make sure that the new America loves and respects that which is America, that it isn’t here just to enjoy the benefits without respecting the underpinnings that made the spoils possible.

In other words, if new people are going to be in charge, I can live with that. I don’t care who is in charge, I care what is in charge. What philosophies are going to guide us, what are our values going to be?

Bad values can be pushed by people of any culture or race, as can good ones.

So I decided that I had to accept the tipping point that Barack’s
election represents. Power has shifted to the new guys. Fighting that would be like trying to fight the British invasion of the 1960’s. The Beatles were not the revolution – the forces of change were unstoppable – they simply rode the wave created by the enormous demand for change. Television, and access to money, gave kids a new voice in the marketplace, and we used those tools to, for better and for worse, adjust the world to meet our tastes.

I don’t wish to be disrespectful to the office of the President of
the United States, which, hopefully, will always be occupied by a
person who loves the ideals and the brilliance of the men, and the document, that created it.

Posted by: sickinmass at March 02, 2010 10:50 PM (Dxfei)

165 Sounds female. Is she hot?

Posted by: Purple Avenger at March 02, 2010 10:50 PM (wdZP3)

166 i love the screwballs though. CHARIOTS OF FIRE MAN!!! WHY DID THEY MAKE THE NAZCA LINES DUDE? TELL ME THAT!!!!

it made sense for people centuries ago to think they were seeing space-men. ever looked up at a clear sky at night? theres a zillion things up there glowing. and the innumerable amount of shooting stars youll see is incredible. just imagine some ancient deer-antler wearing shaman seeing this shit and wondering how he could communicate with it? i mean, its really not all that hard to figure out the origins of a few of these ancient mysteries.

tell a guy that who's wearing pointy-fake martian ears and watch him stare at you silent for ten minutes afterward lmao youll love it.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 10:52 PM (SlvZ2)

167 Over at Old Photography site shorpy.com a few weeks ago I saw a photo of a cable car and its tracks in New York City.
Cool.

Posted by: effinayright at March 02, 2010 10:53 PM (QKrnr)

168 What's crackin', Fluffy?

Is that a trick question?

Posted by: fluff o nutta at March 02, 2010 10:55 PM (SwkdU)

169 JamesLee...as an amateur wrench myself, I agree.
BTW...I go to pep boys when hey have their $10 oil change. Plus price of synthetic oil. If one more idiot waves my KN air filters Aat me, I'll shoot them. Ya gonna clean that filter for me there numbnuts? I use KN in everything!

Posted by: hutch1200 at March 02, 2010 10:56 PM (zQ+Jy)

170 167-effinayright - if you are interested in early transport in NYC you may find this interesting: http://foxyurl.com/PTN on the Beach subway, and a lot more, with photos.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 02, 2010 10:57 PM (ZnIuc)

171 Japan Airlines fears a boom in blackmarket sales of hostess uniforms for teh sex,
while All Nippon Airways wants to spy on air hostess fetish-related activities ... from space
/Only in Japan.
http://tinyurl.com/yzwvyqg

Posted by: mandible claw at March 02, 2010 10:58 PM (QKrrS)

172 What if Bigfoot gets bit by a werewolf?

That could be nasty.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:58 PM (D7/BU)

173 Question: Should the tires be rotated every other oil change?

Thoughts please.

Posted by: mpfs at March 02, 2010 10:58 PM (QuP9W)

174
Speaking of critters, this big-ass bobcat was trapped in a downtown Houston parking garage.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 02, 2010 10:59 PM (v7IWy)

175 A glimpse of the past: San Francisco in 1905

It's also a glimpse of a time when the morons there were few.

Posted by: Blacque Jacques Shellacque at March 02, 2010 10:59 PM (Q75cY)

176 Braaaaaiiiiins...

Braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaiinnssss....


Posted by: Al-Megrahi Dressed Up As A Zombie at March 02, 2010 11:00 PM (5I0Yr)

177 173 Question: Should the tires be rotated every other oil change?Thoughts please.
Posted by: mpfs at March 02, 2010 10:58 PM (QuP9W)
I prefer to have my tires rotated about every other night. IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:01 PM (Vu6sl)

178 I really liked the techno music with this, first time I heard that artist. Do other ONT morons like techno too?

Oh, and there were asshole drivers back then too.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:01 PM (sYxEE)

179 If anyone cares, Sarah Palin on the Tonight Show tonight. The Tonight Show with Jay Leno, that is.

Posted by: mpur at March 02, 2010 11:01 PM (7m5P2)

180 San Francisco does suck in many ways, I admit, but I will still rather live here than a lot of places, including Los Angeles, the Insincerity Capital of the Planet.

At least in San Francisco, people will promptly tell you to fuck off and die, and not "I'll get back to you".

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:01 PM (zAVye)

181 Comment from your link, Dang. It's like these kinds of comments are obligatory:

The more we keep, selfishly, taking away their natural habitat for more
parking lots, strip centers (many of which sit empty) and apartments,
they will continue to show up. It is not their fault. It is humans.
Time to back-off and leave them to their homes. They were here first!
I'm glad this beautiful creature was out back into the wild without
incident.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:02 PM (gofDd)

182 Rotating your tires is a surefire way to jinx your car.

Do not tempt the car gods.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 11:02 PM (D7/BU)

183
>>- if you are interested in early transport in NYC..

Uptown/Downtown: A Trip Through Time on New York's Subways
by Stan Fischler.

GREAT read!

Posted by: sickinmass at March 02, 2010 11:02 PM (Dxfei)

184 I prefer to have my tires rotated about every other night. IYKWIMAITYD.


Is that what they're calling it these days???

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:03 PM (B8WUW)

185 #177
Why did I not see that answer coming? We are morons after all.

Posted by: mpfs at March 02, 2010 11:03 PM (QuP9W)

186 Los Angeles, the Insincerity Capital of the Planet.

Heh. It's funny because it's true! We have Hollywood. Why would you believe anything said or done in LA is real? God knows the politics aren't.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:03 PM (gofDd)

187 183 >>- if you are interested in early transport in NYC..Uptown/Downtown: A Trip Through Time on New York's Subwaysby Stan Fischler.GREAT read!
Posted by: sickinmass at March 02, 2010 11:02 PM (Dxfei)
The last time I heard the term Uptown/Downtown, it cost me $50

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:04 PM (Vu6sl)

188 the other night someone on here said that after their visit to the pyramids of giza they felt a tad ripped off....after checking out various flickr photos of the place, and even a little video i gotta say....wow, how....underwheleming...


Not for me.

My first view of the pyramids was in a taxi, headed to Giza. We were on a long, curving highway going west, and as we went through the curve, the side angle of the Great Pyramid poked out from the smog, behind the ubiquitious apartment buildings. As we got closer, the faint image grew taller and taller, until the top of the pyramid was unmasked. I've never forgotten that taxi ride.

Standing at the foot of the pyramids is awesome as well. It takes about 15 minutes to walk around the Great Pyramid at a brisk pace. Truly awe-inspiring.

Of course, that also happens to be where I learned that camels can spit on command.....

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2010 11:04 PM (9Lm5R)

189 I hated the music in the SF video.

That crap makes me want to punch out John Tess.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 11:04 PM (D7/BU)

190
"If God has punished San Francisco

for being overly frisky,

then why did He burn the churches down

instead of Hotaling's Whiskey?"

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 10:46 PM

Just proves what we always knew

God looks after fools and Irishmen

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:05 PM (sYxEE)

191 #180 At least in San Francisco, people will promptly tell you to fuck off and
die, and not "I'll get back to you".

Does that apply to soul-stealers in SF as well, or do the SF soul-stealers lack that characteristic to better attract souls to steal?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 11:05 PM (otlXg)

192 183 sickinmass - I presume that you are familiar with this piece of "ancient transport history": http://tinyurl.com/yk4x8hb re. the Granite Railway.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 02, 2010 11:05 PM (ZnIuc)

193 Seriously, has anybody heard of Kay Griggs? Just say yes or no.

Yes.

Posted by: Kay Griggs' Mother at March 02, 2010 11:05 PM (5I0Yr)

194 186 Los Angeles, the Insincerity Capital of the Planet.Heh. It's funny because it's true! We have Hollywood. Why would you believe anything said or done in LA is real? God knows the politics aren't.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:03 PM (gofDd)
and most of the breasts...

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:05 PM (Vu6sl)

195 186 Los Angeles, the Insincerity Capital of the Planet


I AGREE!!! Having lived there, I can't imagine what could make me want to move back. Maybe no state income tax???

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:06 PM (B8WUW)

196 Having lived there, I can't imagine what could make me want to move back.

If we finally got rid of all the liberals? Which will never happen, but one can dream.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:08 PM (gofDd)

197 I AGREE!!! Having lived there, I can't imagine what could make me want to move back. Maybe no state income tax???
Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:06 PM (B8WUW)
real breasts?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:08 PM (Vu6sl)

198 I have a fondness for Cryptozoology.

Bigfoot turning out to be real would be so badass.

Too bad it is all nonsense.



Fuck you, buddy.

Posted by: Coelacanth at March 02, 2010 11:09 PM (9Lm5R)

199 real breasts?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:08 PM (Vu6sl)
My breasts are real, thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:09 PM (gofDd)

200
I can't imagine what could make me
want to move back. Maybe no state income tax???

Yeah, after the rest of us bail their sorry asses out. Great.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 02, 2010 11:09 PM (v7IWy)

201 San Francisco does suck in many ways, I admit, but I will still rather live here than a lot of places, including Los Angeles, the Insincerity Capital of the Planet. At least in San Francisco, people will promptly tell you to fuck off and die, and not "I'll get back to you".
Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:01 PM (zAVye)
--At least San Fran has some istory and natural beauty to it, which can make me overlook the human detritus. (The audio tour of Alcatra is really cool.) I still like Monterey more.
OTOH, I have never been to LA and have no desire to visit it, or even fly through LAX.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 11:10 PM (omtdM)

202 100% Real Breasts and 0% Liberals sounds like dreamland!!!

I'd be happy with just 50% of each!!! ...remember I live in liberal hippie John Edwards lovin' (wanna-be) heaven.

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:10 PM (B8WUW)

203 199,

rum, that was the sexiest thing ever posted on the ONT.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 11:11 PM (D7/BU)

204
Signs of the end times:
I just (accidentally) saw Jon Stewart ripping on Dodd and Pelosi on the Daily Show.

To Pelosi - what does Botox "do to your moral compass?"

It was to laugh.

Posted by: TwoStar at March 02, 2010 11:12 PM (VENRx)

205 178 I really liked the techno music with this, first time I heard that artist. Do other ONT morons like techno too?Oh, and there were asshole drivers back then too.Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:01 PM (sYxEE)

I've been a fan of Air since the 90's but I will admit that I have to be in the right mood to enjoy their songs. Be sure and check out 'Sexy Boy' and 'Kelly watch the stars'.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 02, 2010 11:12 PM (ops/N)

206 There's nothing wrong with Frisco that a good sized neutron bomb couldn't fix.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2010 11:12 PM (9Lm5R)

207 My breasts are real, thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: wherestherum

You're welcome.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:12 PM (cMo6P)

208 Los Angeles is perfect for Insincerity. Hollywood invents reality for the rest of us. Their politics are a lie. Their lifestyles are phony, the boobs are phony, the cars are leased, and the teeth are all whitened and straightened. The whole thing is a premise and a pretense that we all buy in to every time we buy a cinema ticket.

Even those Grecian columns Obama used in Denver are made of styrofoam. Some of us knew that at the time, but most did not.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:12 PM (zAVye)

209 203
rum, that was the sexiest thing ever posted on the ONT.

Dude, she just wrote that to make it easier for her to extract your blood later. Doesn't anybody ever learn?

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 11:13 PM (otlXg)

210 that was the sexiest thing ever posted on the ONT.

Yeah, that warmed up the room a little bit.

Posted by: Dang Straights at March 02, 2010 11:13 PM (v7IWy)

211 My breasts are real, thankyouverymuch.


Pics, etc.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2010 11:13 PM (9Lm5R)

212 rum, that was the sexiest thing ever posted on the ONT.
Now that is just a flat out lie.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:13 PM (RZ8pf)

213 "There's nothing wrong with Frisco that a good sized neutron bomb couldn't fix."

May Zeus zap your trailer park. Again.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:13 PM (zAVye)

214 A fun taxi driver in SF will take you on the Bullitt tour.

Just go from Castro to the Golden Gate. It's a roller coaster.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 11:14 PM (D7/BU)

215 *slaps head*. Men are stupid.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 11:14 PM (otlXg)

216 You guys are easy to please.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:14 PM (cMo6P)

217 #213 May Zeus zap your trailer park. Again.

He'd better hurry up because as of March 16th, he's a dead god walking.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 11:15 PM (otlXg)

218 Katya, this Kay Griggs?

Posted by: TheresaD at March 02, 2010 11:15 PM (iGCmo)

219 201 San Francisco does suck in many ways, I admit,


I went there in HS to visit UC Berkeley...and got sick...and not only from the liberal trash spewed by their faculty. Two other visits to the wharf after ski trips to Tahoe to spend lots of $$$ on "good" seafood turned up a sick compadre on each trip. San Francisco sucks. It smelled like piss all damn day long too.

Possible conflict of interest: I don't ever want to be in SF again. Good luck to those who do.

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:16 PM (B8WUW)

220 Z Ryan, we have those nude bicycle nuts here in Seattle too.
Why is it I have to look at ugly middle aged naked hippie freaks on bikes? I have never understood what the point is other then to make sensible people lose their lunch watching sweaty wrinkled ball sacks parade by.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:16 PM (RZ8pf)

221 I've been a fan of Air since the 90's but I will
admit that I have to be in the right mood to enjoy their songs. Be sure
and check out 'Sexy Boy' and 'Kelly watch the stars'.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 02, 2010 11:12 PM

I got interested in techno after I saw Heat. Moby's an asshole, but "God Moving Over the Face of the Waters" is a great piece

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:17 PM (sYxEE)

222 How are they not arrested?!

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:17 PM (cMo6P)

223
192
re. the Granite Railway...Posted by: Gasoline Gus

Thanks! I love it. I'll be reading and peep in later.

Posted by: sickinmass at March 02, 2010 11:17 PM (Dxfei)

224 You went to Tahoe for seafood?

Whatever, man...

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:18 PM (zAVye)

225 Interestingly, living things figured out how to rip apart the N2 molecule at ambient temperature with relative ease. Sneaky little bastards.
Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 10:44 PM (D7/BU)
Because they have their very own organic nanomanipulators.

Posted by: Barack Hussein Obama at March 02, 2010 11:18 PM (1fanL)

226 #220 Why is it I have to look at ugly middle aged naked hippie freaks on
bikes? I have never understood what the point is other then to make
sensible people lose their lunch watching sweaty wrinkled ball sacks
parade by.

Freedom of expression, that's what!

And if you don't agree with me, I'll bid you adieu. Adieu, adieu, go away you!

Posted by: Cahrles Jhonson at March 02, 2010 11:19 PM (otlXg)

227 199
real breasts?
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:08 PM (Vu6sl)
My breasts are real, thankyouverymuch.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:09 PM (gofDd)
Bunk!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:19 PM (Vu6sl)

228 I think some were arrested once but the charges didn't stick, can't remember the reason.
We've also got our lovely gay pride parade and block party. Though they haven't quite reached the levels of SF's Folsom Stree Fair yet.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:19 PM (RZ8pf)

229 I had the strangest dream last night. I was both a time traveler and a stripper.
How should I proceed?

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:20 PM (cMo6P)

230 Why is it I have to look at ugly middle aged naked hippie freaks on
bikes? I have never understood what the point is other then to make
sensible people lose their lunch watching sweaty wrinkled ball sacks
parade by.

We sound the alarms and take shelter when a certain ponytailed guitarist is spotted riding his bike our way

Posted by: L.A. South Bay beaches at March 02, 2010 11:20 PM (sYxEE)

231 A fun taxi driver in SF will take you on the Bullitt tour. Just go from Castro to the Golden Gate. It's a roller coaster.
Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 11:14 PM (D7/BU)
--I was lucky that a friend of mine in grad school had a friend in San Fran who drove us down the infamous Lombard Street. It was fun. I also enjoyed taking photos of it from afar.
Still, I've seen all there I really, really want to see, so a return trip will have to be on my employer's dime, not mine.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 11:20 PM (omtdM)

232 Katya, this Kay Griggs?


Whoa.

I think you just found the ponytailed bike rider's new girlfriend.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2010 11:21 PM (9Lm5R)

233 Why is it I have to look at ugly middle aged naked hippie freaks on bikes? I have never understood what the point is other then to make sensible people lose their lunch watching sweaty wrinkled ball sacks parade by.

City folk.

Posted by: huerfano at March 02, 2010 11:21 PM (gLSaO)

234 Z Ryan, I think you have your Chippendales act figured out, now go out there and get that job!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:21 PM (RZ8pf)

235 Question for the AoSHQ braintrust: I was reading about H-bombs. Fission sets off fusion of hydrogen (deuterium), yada yada yada. My question is, why hydrogen? Why not Cheez Whiz? Or lead? Or my ex's promises? Why not a couple of large turds? Why not cigar butts and pruno? Why not helium?

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 02, 2010 11:22 PM (+auX5)

236 My breasts are real, thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: wherestherum

And they're SPECTACULAR!

Posted by: Jackie Chiles at March 02, 2010 11:22 PM (sYxEE)

237 Thanks for being so supportive, PGiS. You get a lapdance, on the house!

What song would you like me to dance to?

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:22 PM (cMo6P)

238 229
I had the strangest dream last night. I was both a time traveler and a
stripper.How should I proceed?

Time travel to the 90's and go to that bar where Anna Nicole Smith stripped at. Use your awesome stripper moves to seduce her.

Posted by: Son of rich guy that Anna married at March 02, 2010 11:22 PM (otlXg)

239 From my rear window I can see the Golden Gate Bridge and and the Marin Headlands. I watch ships come and go. My house is paid for. I haven't had to shovel snow once this winter.

Do your worst, morons! LOL!

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:23 PM (zAVye)

240 What song would you like me to dance to?
The Star Wars theme song?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:23 PM (RZ8pf)

241 235
Question for the AoSHQ braintrust: I was reading about H-bombs.
Fission sets off fusion of hydrogen (deuterium), yada yada yada. My
question is, why hydrogen? Why not Cheez Whiz? Or lead? Or my ex's
promises? Why not a couple of large turds? Why not cigar butts and
pruno? Why not helium?

Chill out. Mr. Fusion hasn't been invented yet.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 02, 2010 11:23 PM (otlXg)

242 230
Why is it I have to look at ugly middle aged naked hippie freaks on
bikes? I have never understood what the point is other then to make
sensible people lose their lunch watching sweaty wrinkled ball sacks
parade by.

We sound the alarms and take shelter when a certain ponytailed guitarist is spotted riding his bike our way

Posted by: L.A. South Bay beaches at March 02, 2010 11:20 PM


I've always wondered why there are never any people in his photos

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:23 PM (sYxEE)

243 Let's hope I can make this as epic as the music. *pulls out lightsaber*

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:24 PM (cMo6P)

244 236
My breasts are real, thankyouverymuch.

Posted by: wherestherum
And they're SPECTACULAR!

You lie.

Posted by: Joe Wilson at March 02, 2010 11:24 PM (otlXg)

245 rear window
But can you see anyone committing murder?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:24 PM (RZ8pf)

246 Touche Z Ryan, touche!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:25 PM (RZ8pf)

247 212
rum, that was the sexiest thing ever posted on the ONT.
Now that is just a flat out lie.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:13 PM (RZ8pf)
PGIS, I still remember you describing how you were going to eatsomeice cream or lick alollypop, I don't remember which food it was, but I do remember how you said you were going to go about it.In fact, I 'llbe back in a little while. I've got some business to take care of...

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:25 PM (Vu6sl)

248 It smelled like piss all damn day long too.

That's also why I hate SF. There's nowhere you can go that doesn't smell like stale urine. Parking structures are the worst. Ugh.

At least in LA we keep our bums in Santa Monica/Brentwood or on Skid Row. And the city is big enough the whole place doesn't smell like shit.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:26 PM (gofDd)

249 Shit, we could have used Cheez Wiz? All those rials wasted. I could'a had the biggest porn collection in Asia with the bucks we would have saved.

Posted by: Mahmoud Imadinnerjacket at March 02, 2010 11:26 PM (9Lm5R)

250 What song would you like me to dance to?
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:22 PM (cMo6P)
--Any will do!

Posted by: Winnipeg Gym Teachers at March 02, 2010 11:26 PM (omtdM)

251 rum, that was the sexiest thing ever posted on the ONT.
Now that is just a flat out lie.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:13 PM (RZ8pf)
Yeah, somebody obviously didn't see where your inner dialogue posted at #19

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 11:26 PM (1fanL)

252 224 You went to Tahoe for seafood? Whatever, man...
Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:18 PM (zAVye)


My bad. We (read: I) went to Tahoe for the skiing and the gambling...then some jackass wanted to go to San Fran for "the best seafood evah..."

Getting taken for a ride down PCH with some damn Lib puking his San Fran seafood-lovin' guts out isn't all the fun that it sounds like....

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:27 PM (B8WUW)

253 188 the other night someone on here said that after their visit to the pyramids of giza they felt a tad ripped off....after checking out various flickr photos of the place, and even a little video i gotta say....wow, how....underwheleming... Snork! Only if you think it's the Pyramids' job to entertain you!!! Just try going down inside the Great Pyramid , with a million tons of rock laid down 4500 years ago all around you, and you might reconsider your position. Also, it's still not clear how the damn things were built.
But, yeah: if you've been weaned on fantasy and video games, they're underwhelming.
@gus: thanks for the pointer. I'm more an "old photography" guy than a transport guy, but I once owned a map , a very large (roughly 48 x 60 in.) folding and extending "Map of the Permanent Systems of Highways District of Columbia Prepared in the Office of the Engineer Commissioner, D.C", dated 1911, showing the District, various rail and streetcar routes in color, and proposed extensions in black."
VERY cool. IIRC it showed an underground station between the White House and the Treasury building.
I wonder if Nick Cage is aware of it.....or Al Qaeda.

Posted by: effinayright at March 02, 2010 11:27 PM (U/ul8)

254 A fun taxi driver in SF will take you on the Bullitt tour.

Screw that. For free my mom will take you on the tour AND drive like Steve McQueen.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:28 PM (gofDd)

255 My
question is, why hydrogen?
I'm guessing it's because it only has one proton and one electron, but I'm pretty much an idiot, so take it with a grain of sodium.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 02, 2010 11:29 PM (5I0Yr)

256 Screw that. For free my mom will take you on the tour AND drive like Steve McQueen.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:28 PM (gofDd)
Rum, that's hilarious!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:31 PM (Vu6sl)

257 I can't believe there's no love for my beer link. And it's at #69

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 11:31 PM (omtdM)

258 lollipop.
FUBAR, why you so mean to me? But I give you points for the stompy boots.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:32 PM (RZ8pf)

259
Rum, that's hilarious!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:31 PM (Vu6sl)
It's funny until you realize you shoulda brought a crash helmet and you can't tie your seat belt any tighter.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:32 PM (gofDd)

260 why hydrogen? Why not Cheez Whiz? Or lead? Or my ex's promises? Why not a couple of large turds? Why not cigar butts and pruno? Why not helium?
The smaller the atoms, the easier it is to force them together. But yes, anything would work.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 11:33 PM (1fanL)

261 NC Ref, did you get the seafood from Fisherman's Wharf? I gotta give SF credit for that. Fisherman's Wharf has some of the best seafood in Cali. We used to get fresh Dungeness crabs there whenever we were in SF to visit my g-parents. I love Dungeness crab.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:33 PM (gofDd)

262 Rum's mom is an old Chinese lady who drives FAST?

Posted by: The Stereotyper at March 02, 2010 11:33 PM (cMo6P)

263 Rum, I'm pleased your mother's driving hasn't killed you so that you can play with us on the ONT.
Will she do the car flying in the air action from the opening sequence to Streets of San Francisco too?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:34 PM (RZ8pf)

264 The smaller the atoms, the easier it is to force them together. But yes, anything would work.


And as we all know from watching Yahoo Serious, splitting beer atoms just requires a hammer and a goofy hairdo.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2010 11:35 PM (9Lm5R)

265 Will she do the car flying in the air action from the opening sequence to Streets of San Francisco too?

You know, she actually would. And she'd think nothing of it. You should see what it's like being in the backseat when she goes over speed bumps.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:35 PM (gofDd)

266 I love Dungeness crab.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:33 PM (gofDd)


OK I'll give it the ol' Wharf another chance!!!

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:36 PM (B8WUW)

267 JamesLee:
God bless you, keep doing what you are doing. I have had the same mechanic now for 10 years. Will not take my work anywhere else. Never been ripped off once. Does he charge a little more for an oil change - sure, maybe 5 or 6 bucks. Guy saved me a ton of money once when I brought in a car I was thinking about buying. In 20 mins, he found about 4 major things wrong that he dealer tried to hide. Mrs. Mallamutt, when she bought her first mom van, brought it in to him. Told her that it had been hit in the behind, body work had been done. Probably wouldn't impact the quality of the vehicle, but the dealer, when confronted, dropped the price about $1,000 for it. Figure I have to give him about 200 oil changes to make get us even for that one.
Now if I could just find a reliable plumber............

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 02, 2010 11:36 PM (V9SYy)

268 253 effinayright- I'm more of a general "old document" geek, but I have had the fun of collecting a lot of such things as stereo cards, some of which are interesting, and most of which I bought in the UK just before they became "collectible". Some of them are interesting. They seem to have caught on in the US in 1858-9, and thereafter until about 1900 they are the most common sort of "outdoor" photo. In Europe they can be found from a bit earlier (from 1851). Of course it takes "too much" storage space for all this "stuff".

Also, if you are interested in maps, you might find this useful:
http://tinyurl.com/yfkwpck
which is the map room at the Boston Public Library.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 02, 2010 11:37 PM (ZnIuc)

269 FUBAR, why you so mean to me? But I give you points for the stompy boots.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:32 PM (RZ8pf)
Huh? I didn't do it, it was your subconscious, struggling to get out and be free. I say you let it.
Besides, if you claim them yourself, you will be Queen of All Morons in a very short time. So, um, don't let the atcay out of the agbay.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 11:38 PM (1fanL)

270 Now if I could just find a reliable plumber............
Posted by: Mallamutt at March 02, 2010 11:36 PM (V9SYy)
reliable plumbers aren't all they're cracked up to be...

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:38 PM (Vu6sl)

271 Gasoline Gus, SiM says thanks re trains. I'm guessing you know what he's talking about.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:39 PM (gofDd)

272 "Snork! Only if you think it's the Pyramids' job to entertain you!!! "

what else is it supposed to do? after paying the bucks to go see the things it better have a nice big HDTV bolted into the side of it before i get seriously bored.

"Just try going down inside the Great Pyramid , with a million tons of
rock laid down 4500 years ago all around you, and you might reconsider
your position. "

....not really.

"But, yeah: if you've been weaned on fantasy and video games, they're underwhelming."

no, let's be honest with ourselves....alot of old stuff is underwhelming, what isnt is the romanticisation with it.


Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 11:39 PM (SlvZ2)

273 Unless by agbay I mean boyshorts, and by atcay i mean...
Y'know what? Never mind.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 02, 2010 11:40 PM (1fanL)

274 Dungeness crab is $3.99 an lb. right now. I just cooked 4 live ones last week for me and the in laws. DEEEE licious.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 02, 2010 11:41 PM (zAVye)

275 Coffee almond fudge ice cream is the perfect blend of things I love, coffee, chocolate, and nuts!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:41 PM (RZ8pf)

276 I miss my old mechanic from CP MD. I have yet to find a regular one here, at least since I last moved from downtown.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 11:41 PM (omtdM)

277 Men just had better mustaches back then.
...and women did too.

Posted by: Knaws at March 02, 2010 11:41 PM (DxovE)

278 I went panty shopping today. Didn't buy anything, though. They didn't have what I was looking for.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:41 PM (gofDd)

279 atcay
Is that another word for my ladybits?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:42 PM (RZ8pf)

280 275
Coffee almond fudge ice cream is the perfect blend of things I love, coffee, chocolate, and nuts!
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:41 PM (RZ8pf)
I see what you did there. I'm not going to touch that one.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:42 PM (Vu6sl)

281 Dungeness crab is $3.99 an lb. right now. I just cooked 4 live ones last week for me and the in laws. DEEEE licious.

I'm so jealous! It's hard to find it that cheap down here. I usually get it from Whole Foods for $7.99/lb at the cheapest. Sometimes Costco has it a little cheaper.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:42 PM (gofDd)

282 I would imagine that those guys is SF never imagined that in about 65years, there town would be over run with hippie dirtbags.

Posted by: Pat at March 02, 2010 11:43 PM (R0lVr)

283 no, let's be honest with ourselves....alot of old stuff is underwhelming, what isnt is the romanticisation with it.
romanticisation, huh....does this mean we are having a moment?

Posted by: Helen Thomas at March 02, 2010 11:44 PM (V9SYy)

284 My sister lives in Alaska and she told me the other night that they were having crab for dinner. I asked her if it was from the boat and she laughed and said it was from Fred Meyer but it had been on a boat at some point.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:44 PM (RZ8pf)

285 Right, smaller atoms fuse more easily.

Plus, not all fusion reactions produce a net release of energy.

Also. Hydrogen Bomb sounds a lot cooler than Bromine Bomb.

Posted by: eman at March 02, 2010 11:44 PM (D7/BU)

286 Less than 48 hours until The Office resumes!

Posted by: Andy Bernard at March 02, 2010 11:44 PM (omtdM)

287 romanticisation, huh....does this mean we are having a moment?"

heck i was actually wondering if it's even a word...

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (SlvZ2)

288 The “old things” (temples etc.) in Greece certainly aren’t underwhelming. Despite being mostly piles of rubble now, there is definitely magic in seeing them.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (RZ8pf)

289 Conservative politicians bring the funny, via Hot Air.

Posted by: huerfano at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (gLSaO)

290 My sister lives in Alaska and she told me the other night that they were having crab for dinner.

Freshest crab I ever had was in Ketchikan, AK. OMG, it was heaven. All you can eat crab. It was a cruise on-shore package thingy, but totally worth it. I ate myself silly with crab. So much so I didn't want to eat anymore for about a year after.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (gofDd)

291 The San Fran video is cool. I wish men still wore hats.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (FXhD6)

292 no, let's be honest with ourselves....alot of old stuff is underwhelming, what isnt is the romanticisation with it.
On the other hand, the things named after me in West Virginia is overwhelming.

Posted by: Robert Byrd at March 02, 2010 11:46 PM (V9SYy)

293 Katya, this Kay Griggs?
That's the one. Until I hear more about her, I'll dismiss her as a flake.

Posted by: katya at March 02, 2010 11:46 PM (iU/w4)

294 On the other hand coffee almond fudge ice cream must never enter my house again because I can apparently eat gallons of it in the blink of an eye.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:46 PM (RZ8pf)

295 Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 02, 2010 11:37 PM (ZnIuc)


Stereoscopes are cool. I have a WWII military aerial photography textbook from 1944 that has bunches of stereo photos, along with a packet of fold out aerial survey maps of Nazi Germany.

Great fun to check out how they used stereo photography to process intelligence info and do target assessment. As I recall, if you know the time of day and altitude of the photo, you can be very precise in measuring the heights of buildings and other terrain features.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at March 02, 2010 11:47 PM (9Lm5R)

296 "there is definitely magic in seeing them." <<<<< why does that make me laugh?

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 02, 2010 11:47 PM (SlvZ2)

297 RawMuse...I would really enjoy your crabs, I'm sure!!!
As I would enjoy shopping with Rum!!!

Posted by: NC Ref at March 02, 2010 11:47 PM (B8WUW)

298 Freshest crab I ever had was in Ketchikan, AK.
The freshest crabs I ever got was at the Playboy Mansion....oh, different kinda crabs, eh, never mind.

Posted by: Bill Mahr at March 02, 2010 11:48 PM (V9SYy)

299 271 WTR - he is most welcome. It's one of the local attractions on the South Shore, albeit without too many visitors. If you want a summary, here is Wiki (with photos):

http://tinyurl.com/yjfg9t4

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 02, 2010 11:48 PM (ZnIuc)

300 My cabinets and dishwasher and microwave are in! Hubby threw out his back hauling stuff in the house today. Our 108 lb daughter is trying to wrest stuff away from him today, saying, "Dad! I got it!"

Posted by: katya at March 02, 2010 11:48 PM (iU/w4)

301 If they were all raging alcoholics (and half of them potheads) and whet to a church where the priest is always shitfaced, Parenthood would do a decent job summing up my family

Posted by: fartbubble at March 02, 2010 11:49 PM (gAmQ1)

302 Freshest crab I ever had was in Ketchikan, AK. OMG, it was heaven. All you can eat crab. It was a cruise on-shore package thingy, but totally worth it. I ate myself silly with crab. So much so I didn't want to eat anymore for about a year after.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (gofDd)
Freshest crab I ever had was when I went ona dinner date with Jeanine Garafolo.

Posted by: Bill Mahr at March 02, 2010 11:49 PM (Vu6sl)

303 Freshest crab I ever had was in Chesapeake Bay. Or perhaps most memorable, being my first experience with them coming straight out of the crab pot on the boat into the boiling water and then cracking them open and eating them immediately.
OK, now my mouth is watering at the memory.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:49 PM (RZ8pf)

304 Freshest crab I ever had was in Ketchikan, AK.
The freshest crabs I ever got was at the Playboy Mansion....oh, different kinda crabs, eh, never mind.
Posted by: Bill Mahr at March 02, 2010 11:48 PM (V9SYy)
Freshest crab I ever had was in Ketchikan, AK. OMG, it was heaven. All you can eat crab. It was a cruise on-shore package thingy, but totally worth it. I ate myself silly with crab. So much so I didn't want to eat anymore for about a year after.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (gofDd)
Freshest crab I ever had was when I went ona dinner date with Jeanine Garafolo.
Posted by: Bill Mahr at March 02, 2010 11:49 PM (Vu6sl)
\What can I say, I enjoy seafood.

Posted by: Bill Mahr at March 02, 2010 11:50 PM (V9SYy)

305 I wish men still wore hats.

And not baseball caps. There's something classy seeing a guy in a Panama hat or a Fedora.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:50 PM (gofDd)

306 The San Fran video is cool. I wish men still wore hats.
Posted by: Annabelle at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (FXhD6)
--Forget that, I wish they would doff their hats when appropriate (i.e., indoors)

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 11:50 PM (omtdM)

307 You say you want a man to wear a hat, but if you found one you'd be disappointed the first time he took it off and he was bald.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:51 PM (cMo6P)

308 What a poorly written post!

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:52 PM (cMo6P)

309 295 ITC- and the Mars Rovers took many of the photos with two offset cameras, and they can be downloaded and processed into normal stereoviews. The idea was evident to enable the operators to assess obstacles, as well as for all the usual geology uses, but they work for the rest of us as well. It's sort of neat using 1840s technology to enhance 2000s images.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 02, 2010 11:53 PM (ZnIuc)

310 307 You say you want a man to wear a hat, but if you found one you'd be disappointed the first time he took it off and he was bald.
Posted by: Z Ryan at March 02, 2010 11:51 PM (cMo6P)
Bingo! I look completely different with a hat on.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:53 PM (Vu6sl)

311 I wish men still wore hats.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM (FXhD6)

what about Gatsbys (no idea what the plural of Gatsby hats are)

Posted by: fartbubble at March 02, 2010 11:53 PM (gAmQ1)

312 --Forget that, I wish they would doff their hats when appropriate (i.e., indoors)
How about taking it off for the national anthem. Drives me nuts, go to a game, some idiot still wearing the hat, talking through the anthem and ususally pissed off because they stopped selling beer for the 3 or 4 minutes it takes to play the anthem. Douchebags!

Posted by: Mallamutt at March 02, 2010 11:53 PM (V9SYy)

313 Know what I miss? Sitcoms what were actually funny. Ones that still make you laugh.

MTM - funeral scene from Chuckles Bites the Dust

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:54 PM (sYxEE)

314 I wish men still wore hats.And not baseball caps. There's something classy seeing a guy in a Panama hat or a Fedora.
Fedoras are very in for the young men right now.

Posted by: katya at March 02, 2010 11:55 PM (iU/w4)

315 There's something classy seeing a guy in a Panama hat or a Fedora.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:50 PM (gofDd)
--I have a fedora-ish hat I wear almost every time I travel. It;s kinda Indiana Jones, but it's felt instead of leather. Still, it;s great for keeping the sun and light rain off. Also great conversation pice. Have had it for over ten years now, despite forgetting it in a couple of places in England and India.

Posted by: logprof at March 02, 2010 11:55 PM (omtdM)

316 Neat SF video.

I like the car dodging between the streetcar and an oncoming one at 6:15. I guess people were hooning it up even back then.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 02, 2010 11:55 PM (OCpJS)

317 178 I really liked the techno music with this, first time I heard that artist. Do other ONT morons like techno too? Oh, and there were asshole drivers back then too.
Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:01 PM (sYxEE)

Actually, Air can't really be classified as techno. Their style is broadly defined as 'electronica' but they don't really fall into one category as they combine elements of ambient, trip hop and a bunch of other electronic styles.

I note this only because I doubt you'd like actual techno music, which mostly consists ofannoying repetitive drum loops with crappy looped synth effects or samples, and is only enjoyed by guidos, douchebags and Bruno.

Posted by: mandible claw at March 02, 2010 11:55 PM (QKrrS)

318 "there is definitely magic in seeing them." <<<<< why does that make me laugh?
I don't know? Too gushy for you?
For example, Agamemnon's palace at Mycenae, though just a literal pile of rubble, is amazing.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:55 PM (RZ8pf)

319 Posted by: Mallamutt at March 02, 2010 11:53 PM (V9SYy)
I hate people who do that! I'm glad I haven't seen anyone stay seated for the National Anthem, but I hate the people who stand there looking bored while it's played.

Forget that, I wish they would doff their hats when appropriate (i.e., indoors)

How about standing when a lady enters/leaves the table?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:56 PM (gofDd)

320 311
I wish men still wore hats.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM

It must have been a bald man's paradise

Posted by: George Costanza at March 02, 2010 11:56 PM (sYxEE)

321 We used to get fresh Dungeness crabs there whenever we were in SF to visit my g-parents. I love Dungeness crab.

Don't you just love lobster?

Posted by: Man Hands at March 02, 2010 11:57 PM (sYxEE)

322 I have a fedora-ish hat I wear almost every time I travel.

I wish people would get dressed up to fly again, too. It used to be the classy way to travel. Now all I see are guys in grunge and women who look so LA in their velour track suits and bottle blonde hair. God I hate the typical LA look. It's so effing phony.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:58 PM (gofDd)

323 There have been bald men thoughout the ages and we're still around. Positive proof that some women are still mating with us.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:58 PM (Vu6sl)

324 I find the singing of the National Anthem in a football stadium packed with 70,000 people one of the most moving experiences. Expecially when military jets do a flyover along with it.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:59 PM (RZ8pf)

325 320
311
I wish men still wore hats.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 02, 2010 11:45 PM

I wish tattoos were something you only saw on sailors and circus freaks.

Now get off my yard!

Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:59 PM (sYxEE)

326 How about standing when a lady enters/leaves the table?
Posted by: wherestherum at March 02, 2010 11:56 PM (gofDd)
--I do that as well. I also pull out the chair for my date/wife. I was peeved when my wife (then-fiancee) one time assumed I was pulling a chair out for myself instead of her (plus, it was facing outwards, as a lady's chair should be).

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:00 AM (omtdM)

327 #319 How about standing when a lady enters/leaves the table?

I thought that was a trick to make soul (or blood) extraction easier later.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 03, 2010 12:01 AM (otlXg)

328 "For example, Agamemnon's palace at Mycenae, though just a literal pile of rubble, is amazing."

dont get me wrong, i understand what your gushing about.

i saw roman coliseum doors with dents all on it as a kid in carnegie museum, it was spectacular. i could just ___aine roaming around some of those places. that being said....

i think there are definitely some structures and artifacts that can be overhyped into the stratosphere. mark twain was even underwhelmed a little by israel when he visited, based on his writings.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:01 AM (SlvZ2)

329 Rum, I have taken to dressing up a bit more when I fly and the cute thing is often my son will dress a little better as well, wearing a button down shirt and khaki pants.

I understand the desire to be comfortable on the airplane, but I have a little black dress that is pretty damn comfortable, I don’t need to go full on pajamas with slippers—like I saw a few young women in at Christmas.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:01 AM (RZ8pf)

330 I have three nice Stetson fedoras. I wear them regularly.
I dress as if it is 1938. Everything went all to hell right after that.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 12:01 AM (zAVye)

331 The simple chivalry is just automatic to me. It's why women often think I'm hitting on them when I'm not.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:01 AM (cMo6P)

332 Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 02, 2010 11:58 PM (Vu6sl)

Some guys can rock the bald look: Bruce Willis, Dwayne Johnson, Vin Diesel. Embracing the look helps.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:01 AM (gofDd)

333 Anybody want to pass the hat for Farage's fine?

Posted by: old school lady at March 03, 2010 12:02 AM (syX26)

334 The smaller the atoms, the easier it is to force them together. But yes, anything would work.
Oh, I get it. The bigger the electron cloud, the harder it is to push the nuclei together. With deuterium, you geta heavier nucleus--neutrons to shoot around--but you still only have one electron. It must be substantially harder to slam nuclei together for each additional electron.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 03, 2010 12:02 AM (DZ/f5)

335 I find the singing of the National Anthem in a football stadium packed with 70,000 people one of the most moving experiences. Expecially when military jets do a flyover along with it.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:59 PM (RZ8pf)
--Oh, and knock Canadaall you want, but I've noticed that the athletes actually frickin' sing along with "O Canada," unlike many of their American counterparts with the Star Spangled Banner.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:02 AM (omtdM)

336 "i could just imagine roaming around some of those places. that being said...."

sorry for the bad typo....i know, i suck.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:02 AM (SlvZ2)

337 Posted by: kbdabear at March 02, 2010 11:54 PM (sYxEE)
Maybe I don't watch enough TV, but this begs the question. Are there any funny women on TV anymore? Or in the movies? Nevermind if there are even funny men, I want to know if there are any funny women on TV.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 12:02 AM (5I0Yr)

338 331
The simple chivalry is just automatic to me. It's why women often think
I'm hitting on them when I'm not.

I think you're lost forever.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 03, 2010 12:03 AM (otlXg)

339 Str8, agreed, Delphi was kind of a big tourist trap and a bit underwhelming. Mainly I guess because of the twenty thousand other people viewing it at the exact same time.

If I put my mind to it I could probably think of other examples that concur with what you are saying, but those memories tend to get crowded out by the awesome ones, thankfully.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:04 AM (RZ8pf)

340 Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 02, 2010 11:59 PM (RZ8pf)


Yep! Its my favorite part of the match. And I see a lot of national anthems, good and bad. Few (OK none so far) with fly-overs... But I love that song!

Posted by: NC Ref at March 03, 2010 12:04 AM (B8WUW)

341 Look, it's not my fault I am surrounded by Democrats. All the rest of you Republicans high tailed it outta here. Frikkin' cowards...

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 12:05 AM (zAVye)

342 Baseball Mitt Romney on Letterman. He's a charming guy. Very articulate for a light skinned non-negro. Heck, he's entertaining. Great storyteller.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 03, 2010 12:05 AM (DZ/f5)

343 I think you were going to kill me anyway, Kratos.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:05 AM (cMo6P)

344 I'm just wondering, because every other blog I read has a weekly hatefest and flamewar after Tuesday's episode of Lost. Nary a peep here.

Is Lost a banned topic on AoS? Understandable, as a majority of people have come to hate it. But it's finally wrapping up and they're killing off annoying characters with gusto now. (No, they haven't killed Jack yet. But he was altogether absent from tonight's episode.)


Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 03, 2010 12:05 AM (xqhoO)

345 You know who I loathe? Women who "have a thing" about men holding a door open for them, or some innocent equivalent. All in the name of some phony brand of (self-hating) "I can do it myself" feminism. Fuck you.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 12:06 AM (5I0Yr)

346 Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:02 AM (omtdM)

That seems to be true of most countries. Only we seem to be so self loathing as not to know our own National Anthem. I made a point to learn it. Even my Navy ex didn't know all the words.

I almost started singing My Country Tis of Thee at the beginning of the Scottish Military Tattoo when I was in Edinburgh. I didn't know God Save the Queen was the same tune!

PGiS, speaking of breathtaking, Edinburgh Castle. That has to be one of my absolute favorite places in the entire world.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:06 AM (gofDd)

347 Rum, add DB Woodside to your hot bald men list.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:06 AM (RZ8pf)

348 343
I think you were going to kill me anyway, Kratos.
Nah. I forsee your end will be at the tips of vampire fangs.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 03, 2010 12:08 AM (otlXg)

349 That's the tower we would pass going out to the ocean, by aircraft carrier, it was a sad sight to see going, but after 9 months out it was one of the most beautiful sights to see in San Francisco. That was a cable care the movie was taken on. The street cars going across our path were with wheel and ran by electricity, they were replaced by the muni-buses, that are now also run by electricity.
Sure were a lot of cars on the road at that time, and many more people walking around in the road than there would be now. What street would that be, that we were going down or up? I wonder if the name of that street is still the same from 1905? So many changes, but still many things have stayed the same there. Interesting in what things do not change over time.
Has anyone done this again with modern equipment? That would be a very interesting video, or would we put that on movie film?

Posted by: Heltau at March 03, 2010 12:08 AM (RZDTZ)

350 345 You know who I loathe? Women who "have a thing" about men holding a door open for them, or some innocent equivalent. All in the name of some phony brand of (self-hating) "I can do it myself" feminism. Fuck you.

Yes, the appropriate response is, thank you.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 12:09 AM (gLSaO)

351 LittleMiss, I just watched S4 and S5 of LOST this past week. It's amazing how many superfluous characters that show had.

I don't think Ben was supposed to be a main character when he first showed up, but the writers got really obsessed with him. So they made him the Others' leader and such. Leaving the question: why would the Others send their leader in to be captured and tortured? Eh, **** it, that's why! I have a feeling that's how the writers answer a lot of their questions.

I don't know why they put so many of their writers room issues in the script. How many times can they shout "THERE ARE RULES!" There should be rules. But that's for the writers, not the audience.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:09 AM (cMo6P)

352 Some guys can rock the bald look: Bruce Willis, Dwayne Johnson, Vin Diesel. Embracing the look helps
Bald looks a lot better than a combover.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:09 AM (iU/w4)

353 But it's finally wrapping up and they're killing off annoying characters with gusto now. (No, they haven't killed Jack yet. But he was altogether absent from tonight's episode.)

Hey, spoilers!

If I wanted TMI from you, I would inquire about your bloomers.

Posted by: fluffy is waiting for NetFlix at March 03, 2010 12:10 AM (SwkdU)

354 Women who "have a thing" about men holding a door open for them, or
some innocent equivalent. All in the name of some phony brand of
(self-hating) "I can do it myself" feminism.

Oh, don't get me started on that. I hate when women bitch about common courtesy. I'll bitch if a guy doesn't hold the door open and it slams in my face.

I will open my own jars, however. Unless the damn lid is truly stuck.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:10 AM (gofDd)

355 @349, That is Market Street looking east toward the Ferry Building

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 12:10 AM (zAVye)

356 i think there are definitely some structures and artifacts that can be overhyped into the stratosphere. mark twain was even underwhelmed a little by israel when he visited, based on his writings.
Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:01 AM (SlvZ2)
--Overhyped:
Statue of Liberty
Washington Monument
St.Peter's (on the outside)
Lives up to, if not exceeds, the Hype:
Taj Mahal
Eiffel Tower
St. Peter's (on the inside)

I can add to the list, but my attention span is constrained by Alberta Pure

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:11 AM (omtdM)

357 NC Ref, one of the Seahawks home games I attended was right before Veteran’s Day and they had active military men and women from all the branches hold a giant American flag on the field and then some jets from NAS Whidbey did a fly-over. (At least I assume they were from Whidbey)

Another game I went to they sang the Canadian National Anthem before they sang the US National Anthem and my friend and I were like “did Canada invade us overnight?” But it was just Canada Day at the game or something.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:11 AM (RZ8pf)

358 I want to know if there are any funny women on TV.
Whoopie Goldberg and Ellen DeGeneres used to be funny. I haven't seen anything with them recently, though.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:11 AM (iU/w4)

359 Lost lost me after the second season when I had to wade through weeks of reruns after two or three new shows because after November sweeps comes the holiday season and we aren't going to show anything new until February sweeps, so fuck you loyal viewer. I can turn off the tv and pick up a book.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 12:12 AM (gLSaO)

360 You know who I loathe? Women who "have a thing" about men holding a door open for them, or some innocent equivalent. All in the name of some phony brand of (self-hating) "I can do it myself" feminism.
I adore it when men hold doors for me. And I get it often and everywhere by men of all ages, races, income and classes.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:13 AM (iU/w4)

361 God, LOST had TERRIBLE writing in Season 2.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:13 AM (cMo6P)

362 Z Ryan, the show is called "LOST". That's the entire purpose of the show, to stay lost.

I'm just watching now because I'm certain the body count's going to rise.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 03, 2010 12:13 AM (otlXg)

363 ParanoidGirlInSeattle

yeah i just like how archeologists and other tourists are very liberal when it comes to stuff like that. for example, equating a mexican pyramid with say....the old coliseum of rome...i mean come on. sure it should be revered and all that but wow, talk about your differences etc. its almost like they have to be 'fair' with everything lol

im sorry but cambodian ruins to me dont spark near as much electricity in my brain as could grecian stuff....or even old chinese remnants.

even some monstrous roller coasters these days sucked ass,........and some of the new water rides....

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:14 AM (SlvZ2)

364 #354 Oh, don't get me started on that. I hate when women bitch about common courtesy. I'll bitch if a guy doesn't hold the door open and it
slams in my face.

*whistles innocently*.

Posted by: Kratos (on the back of Gaia, scaling Mt Olympus) at March 03, 2010 12:15 AM (otlXg)

365 Remember when the British were well known for being unfailingly polite?

Like this?

Or this


Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:15 AM (sYxEE)

366 Another story about the '06 'quake.

After the 'quake and fire, housing was needed. People were camping out under the stars. Soon you could buy an earthquake shack. These were wooden one room cabins, about 25' by 20' with just a pot belly stove to one side. For $25 teamsters would haul it to where ever in the city you liked, more than likely you would have it hauled to where your old house had burned down.

Today, you can still see these shacks around SF, modified countless times. There are 5 or 6 walking distance from where I type this. I can always spot them. Usually they have had a rear wall knocked out, sometimes a second story added on.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 12:15 AM (zAVye)

367 I almost started singing My Country Tis of Thee at the beginning of the Scottish Military Tattoo when I was in Edinburgh. I didn't know God Save the Queen was the same tune!PGiS, speaking of breathtaking, Edinburgh Castle. That has to be one of my absolute favorite places in the entire world.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:06 AM (gofDd)
--O Canada is not that bad, either. However, the French version is pretty kick-ass. It's borderline crusader/imperialistic.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:15 AM (omtdM)

368 I hate it when someone holds a door open for me by standing right in my path so I have to squeeze around their always-considerable bulk to get out. That is the absolute opposite of helpful and courteous. Especially if I have packages or a shopping cart.

If it won't back up traffic behind me, I'll just stop and stand and stare until the moron gives up and gets out of the way.

Posted by: Little Miss Spellcheck at March 03, 2010 12:15 AM (xqhoO)

369 Logprof, you think the Statue of Liberty is over-hyped? I think it is a lovely sight as you take the boat to Ellis Island.
OK, I’m going to be totally slaughtered for this, but I thought the Sistine Chapel was a bit over-hyped. Yes, the ceiling is magnificent, but the room is about a million degrees, it is crowded with tourists who refuse to pay attention to the “no flash photography” sign so you are blinded every two seconds, and you are herded in and out like cattle. I had a much better “view” of the ceiling in the souvenir book I bought, along with a handy discussion of all the imagery.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:16 AM (RZ8pf)

370 add DB Woodside to your hot bald men list.

Oh yes! Mmmm he helped out Buffy, didn't he? I forgot how exactly, only that he was like the principal of the school or something.

I did not like him as Wayne Palmer. He was weak and nothing like his brother.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:16 AM (gofDd)

371 Man I missed this place - I got into a car accident and haven't been online much.

If I was back in Britain and a member of the voting class, I'd totally be UKIP - I've been watching them for a while now. They seem pretty solid.

And amen to the textbook ripoff. I don't even buy them now without looking over the course syllabus, because I hate buying them and hardly ever using them. You'd be surprised what you can BS your way through without one, unless you're in a numbers based class like accounting or statistics. Right now I'm in a film appreciation class where the book was $120. Yeah, whatever.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 12:16 AM (Ei3oZ)

372 For some passive aggression, hold a door for someone nowhere near the door, and watch them run.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:19 AM (cMo6P)

373 tdpwells, that’s terrible, are you OK?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:19 AM (RZ8pf)

374 Palin is up next on Leno.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at March 03, 2010 12:19 AM (BiCQw)

375 I adore it when men hold doors for me. And I get it often and everywhere by men of all ages, races, income and classes.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:13 AM (iU/w4)

The door-holding, right?

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 12:20 AM (5I0Yr)

376 tdpwells, how bad was your car accident? Are you gonna be okay?

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:20 AM (cMo6P)

377 For some passive aggression, hold a door for someone nowhere near the door, and watch them run.
Heh. You are evil.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:20 AM (RZ8pf)

378 I hate it when someone holds a door open for me by standing right in my path so I have to squeeze around their always-considerable bulk to get out.
It is annoying but I really appreciate the gesture. It's likewhen your man gets you some gawdawful ugly gift that he worked so hard to find something awesome so you love it because he tried so hard to do the right thing.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:20 AM (iU/w4)

379 Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:15 AM (sYxEE)

Eric Idle is one of my absolute favorite comedic actors. I got to see him sing The Lumberjack Song live at the Hollywood Bowl years ago.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:21 AM (gofDd)

380 Right now I'm in a film appreciation class where the book was $120. Yeah, whatever.

That had to hurt worse than the car accident.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 12:21 AM (gLSaO)

381 Heh. You are evil.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle

It's all part of being Lord of the Underworld.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:22 AM (cMo6P)

382 I hate it when someone holds a door open for me by standing right in my path so I have to squeeze around their always-considerable bulk to get out.

Sounds like frotteurism to me. You ladies have to watch out for that. Especially on trains.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 12:23 AM (5I0Yr)

383 it is
crowded with tourists who refuse to pay attention to the “no flash
photography” sign so you are blinded every two seconds, and you are
herded in and out like cattle.

I despise people who don't turn off the flash. It's not that hard, people. And it's no flash for a reason!

Some touristy stuff you have to do, just to do it. But I usually try to get it done as soon as possible and move on to more esoteric things.

St. Paul's in London is another of my absolute favorite landmarks. Nothing like seeing the Duke of Wellington's crypt.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:24 AM (gofDd)

384 372
For some passive aggression, hold a door for someone nowhere near the door, and watch them run.

Works every time you hold an elevator. (Lift for the Brits on the ONT)

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:25 AM (sYxEE)

385 PGiS....

What pisses me off is watching all these prima donna HS kids that have no respect for anything...much less themselves....when ANY anthem is being played.

And I can't say a damn word.

Posted by: NC Ref at March 03, 2010 12:26 AM (B8WUW)

386 tdpwells, I hope you're all right. Car accidents suck.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:27 AM (gofDd)

387 Logprof, you think the Statue of Liberty is over-hyped? I think it is a lovely sight as you take the boat to Ellis Island.
OK, I抦 going to be totally slaughtered for this, but I thought the Sistine Chapel was a bit over-hyped. Yes, the ceiling is magnificent, but the room is about a million degrees, it is crowded with tourists who refuse to pay attention to the 搉o flash photography?sign so you are blinded every two seconds, and you are herded in and out like cattle. I had a much better 搗iew?of the ceiling in the souvenir book I bought, along with a handy discussion of all the imagery.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:16 AM (RZ8pf)
--Lasy Liberty is way smaller in person than as depicted in photos or on TV.
As for the Sistine Chapel, it's on neither list for me, but I'll say that since I zipped there first thing in the morning and got to behold it solo, it was pretty cool!

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:27 AM (omtdM)

388 I adore it when men hold doors for me. And I get it often and everywhere by men of all ages, races, income and classes.
Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:13 AM (iU/w4)

The door-holding, right?
Oh, LOL.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:27 AM (iU/w4)

389
That had to hurt worse than the car accident.


Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 12:21 AM (gLSaO)
Haha, yes. At least with my legal elements of fraud class, there's no textbook (damn near couldn't believe that - had to call and double check when there was none listed!).And I'm alright, just got a wicked case of whiplash. Weird, I was fine the day of the accident, but the next morning I couldn't move my neck and had stabbing pains. Had some seriously good pain meds, though, hehe.Was a multi-car accident, and of course the douchebag that started it all probably doesn't even know he caused it - he'd already turned while the rest of us slammed on our brakes to avoid hitting him.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 12:27 AM (Ei3oZ)

390 Rum, I loved Windsor Castle too. We were there the spring after the fire and they had put up glass partitioning in some of the burned areas so you could see what burned.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:27 AM (RZ8pf)

391 It is annoying but I really appreciate the gesture. It's likewhen your man gets you some gawdawful ugly gift that he worked so hard took two minutes to find something awesome so rediculous, you love it because he tried so hard to do the right thing you know it's not going to get any better.
Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:20 AM (iU/w4)
FIFY

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (Vu6sl)

392 For some passive aggression, hold a door for someone nowhere near the door, and watch them run.
I've wondered whether there's an approximate distance beyond which it's no longer considered rude not to hold the door open.

I walk quickly, so I hate waiting much more than a second or two for some giant wheezing sloth to waddle its way towards the door.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (OCpJS)

393 What pisses me off is watching all these prima donna HS kids that have
no respect for anything...much less themselves....when ANY anthem is
being played.

It should be okay to shove them so they go tumbling down the bleachers.

Disrespectful people piss me off more than anything. It's one thing if someone doesn't deserve respect *cough* Obama *cough* but being disrespectful for the sake of it is such bs. What the hell happened to politeness?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (gofDd)

394 Palin delivering body blows to the MSM on Leno. Big audience, many to be woken up.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (BiCQw)

395 "What pisses me off is watching all these prima donna HS kids that have
no respect for anything...much less themselves....when ANY anthem is
being played."

i once heard a young teen kid make anti-american sentiment while he had to wait for a video game to release, and thats no bullshit either.

amazing.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (SlvZ2)

396 Did ya'll already dissect the nuclear bomb option on Drudge? I won't rehash if you have, but just state that I feel physically sick about it.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (Ei3oZ)

397 NC Ref, I’d always assumed it was the responsibility of the coaches to instill that respect in the kids that play sports, is that no longer happening?

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:29 AM (RZ8pf)

398 St. Paul's in London is another of my absolute favorite landmarks. Nothing like seeing the Duke of Wellington's crypt.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:24 AM (gofDd)
--I also loved the description of the part where it was bombed in WWII. A great piece of architecture --the oldest academic building in America was designed by the sameman, Christopher Wren.
(As a proud Virginian, I gotta slip that in.)

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:29 AM (omtdM)

399 394
Palin delivering body blows to the MSM on Leno. Big audience, many to be
woken up.


Posted by: Blackford Oakes at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (BiCQw)
I'm seeing her on Friday! So excited - weather is going to be awesome, too...which is good since I'm sure there will be a big line to wait in since seating is first come-first serve (had to buy tix, though, but I still want to sit up front!).

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 12:29 AM (Ei3oZ)

400 rawmuse: you in the outer richmond area?

Posted by: Uncle Jed at March 03, 2010 12:31 AM (eKgqT)

401 --Lady Liberty is way smaller in person than as depicted in photos or on TV."

thats sorta the crux of my argument. it can be mindblowing what photos and TV can do for that stuff.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:31 AM (SlvZ2)

402 We were there the spring after the fire and they had put
up glass partitioning in some of the burned areas so you could see what
burned.

That's kinda cool. I didn't get to go inside Buckingham Palace, but I did see it from the outside. St. Jame's Palace as well.

I was underwhelmed by Hampton Court. Maybe it was just too early in the morning for me to appreciate it, but I found the tour and the grounds dull. Same for Holyrood House. I think that was the most boring tour I've ever been on. Except for the room with all the portraits of the kings of Scotland.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:31 AM (gofDd)

403 I saw the long, long version of the SF film several months ago, with commentary. The cameraman was a little bit Hollywood; he'd passed a few bucks around to friends and acquaintances to make sure things stayed interesting. So virtually every motor car in the city appears in the film, and all the near-misses are contrived. Fun, though.
I've had (3) pleasant visits there in in the last 44 years, and several regrettable ones. But I realized the other day, on looking over a list of "The 20 Most Miserable Cities" http://tinyurl.com/yfa6pcx that there just aren't any major cities, anywhere, that I'd like to live in. Pass through, OK, visit maybe, go to for a concert, but to live in year in and year out, I just cannot do it. I'm a ruritanian, an exurbanite, a bumpkin, if you will.
I can remember when, if you enjoyed odd film, new music, very old music, fine dining, good beer wine and liquor, you had to plan to live in or next to one of those things. Things are different now. Allour good stuff is to be had anywhere; you find the best outside the traditional city centers. And it's not as if you're going to find true friends or worthy sexual adventures in one of those psychotic shitholes. Even on a per capita basis, you're more likely to find good people in a city under 100K, or in a rural countywith townsand villages.

Posted by: comatus at March 03, 2010 12:31 AM (/VEEI)

404 i once heard a young teen kid make anti-american sentiment while he had to wait for a video game to release, and thats no bullshit either. amazing.
Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (SlvZ2)
--Screw you!

Posted by: Cartman at March 03, 2010 12:31 AM (omtdM)

405 St. Paul's in London is another of my absolute favorite landmarks.
Nothing like seeing the Duke of Wellington's crypt.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:24 AM
(gofDd)
When I lived there in the 90's and saw the statue of Lincoln in Parliament Square for the first time, I got all teary. Such a rush of pride, I can't begin to describe it.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 12:31 AM (Ei3oZ)

406 Speaking of Obama, there is a car at my son’s school that has one of those “Co-Exist” stickers and also “Fund Education, Not War” and until last week it also sported a nice round “Obama ‘08” sticker in between the two. Now that sticker is gone, fairly obviously too because the car is white and hasn’t been cleaned in a while so you can see the clean outline where the sticker used to be.

I wonder what the last straw for that Obot was.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:33 AM (RZ8pf)

407 397
NC Ref, I’d always assumed it was the responsibility of the coaches to instill that respect in the kids that play sports, is that no longer happening?
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:29 AM (RZ8pf)


I wouldn't fault the coaches. They're put in a difficult situation and expected to over-achieve. Gee, just like a real job!

And I have to say that just about all the coaches I meet are working hard to instill sportsmanship in their players. Parents and society seem to work against that. From what I've seen over the years.

Posted by: NC Ref at March 03, 2010 12:33 AM (B8WUW)

408 Ebert's permanent open-mouth smile is disturbing.

Posted by: Doug Hoffman at March 03, 2010 12:33 AM (BiCQw)

409 I also loved the description of the part where it was bombed in WWII.

Our tour guide's parents were living in London during the war. I can't remember the story exactly, but he said his parents remember when St. Paul's was bombed. That it didn't fall made it a beacon for the people of London.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:34 AM (gofDd)

410 I thought Palin was gonna be on Leno. WTF is wrong with this singer?

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 12:34 AM (cMo6P)

411 I find the singing of the National Anthem in a football stadium packed with 70,000 people one of the most moving experiences. Expecially when military jets do a flyover along with it.

Never been to a football game, but you get the same experience at a race track.

Kansas Speedway is close to Whiteman AFB, arially speaking at least. The first time I was there, there was a skydiver with the huge American flag he came down with, and B2s doing a slow flyover.

Say what you will about Nascar fans, but bet your bottom dollar that damn near everyone in that 120,000 seat stand knew what that was all about and loved it!

After seeing and experiencing that in person, I get a little lump when I see it on TV not.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 03, 2010 12:34 AM (vQcmS)

412 @400 No, but I am on a hill with a cross on it.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 12:35 AM (zAVye)

413 I've never been there, but I've heard of people being rather disappointed that the Roman Coliseum isn't any bigger than a small town ballpark

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:35 AM (sYxEE)

414 408 Ebert's permanent open-mouth smile is disturbing.

Siskel was the talent in that duo.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 12:36 AM (gLSaO)

415 Ten seconds McGruber!

Posted by: Cincinnatus at March 03, 2010 12:36 AM (euuyg)

416 "I wonder what the last straw for that Obot was."

obama is authority now. during the election bush=devil and obama was the man of the people!!!!........now that hes in charge, the young obot MUST rebel!!!


makes for a nice script to liven up things ya know?.......kids.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:37 AM (SlvZ2)

417 I've never been there, but I've heard of people being rather
disappointed that the Roman Coliseum isn't any bigger than a small town
ballpark

Small-town ballparks hold 50,000 people?

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 03, 2010 12:37 AM (OCpJS)

418 I wonder what the last straw for that Obot was.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:33 AM (RZ8pf)

He or she noticed Obama's race.

Posted by: The MSM at March 03, 2010 12:37 AM (5I0Yr)

419 The other sight, speaking of planes, that gets me teary, is the Blue Angels. I absolutely love that in my totally douche bag city of liberal whiny asses who complain year after year, enough of us have managed to stave them off that year after year the Blue Angels return for SeaFair.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:38 AM (RZ8pf)

420 Ebert's permanent open-mouth smile is disturbing.
Yahoo had a picture of him next to Oprah. If I hadn't read the caption I would've thought he was an old lady.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:38 AM (gofDd)

421 Now that sticker is
gone, fairly obviously too because the car is white and hasn’t been
cleaned in a while so you can see the clean outline where the sticker
used to be.

I wonder what the last straw for that Obot was.

Odds are the continuation of the Patriot Act, and the escalation in Afghanistan

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:38 AM (sYxEE)

422 I’m actually suspecting, since I know it is a teacher’s car, that it has something to do with some of his education policies. Which, if they’d been paying attention during the election, they would’ve known about. It’s not like he hid his agenda in some areas all that much.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:39 AM (RZ8pf)

423 If ever you are in Ephesus, Turkey, there is a Roman coliseum there also. It is in better condition that the one in Rome. It was ruined by malaria, not earthquake.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 12:40 AM (zAVye)

424 418
I wonder what the last straw for that Obot was.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:33 AM (RZ8pf)

He or she noticed Obama's race.
Posted by: The MSM at March 03, 2010 12:37 AM (5I0Yr)
but only for an hour...Oh wait, I've got that reversed.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:41 AM (Vu6sl)

425 Siskel was the talent in that duo.

There was a pretty vicious Animaniacs episode where they lipo'd the fat out of Ebert and used it to butter his popcorn. Can't seem to find it on youtube.

Posted by: Blackford Oakes at March 03, 2010 12:41 AM (BiCQw)

426 I've never been there, but I've heard of people being rather disappointed that the Roman Coliseum isn't any bigger than a small town ballpark
Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:35 AM (sYxEE)
--The Colosseum was pretty cool, but not "Wow!" cool. Part of it was that chunks of it were cannibalised to build other structures after Rome fell. Still was impressive thaqt the Romans built things it took centuries to imrove upon.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:42 AM (omtdM)

427 yo, i need a geek opinion
for the intel I7, is there really that big of a difference betwen the 720 and the 820 that i should drop an extra 300 bucks?
i'll be running it along side 2 ssd's in raid0 and 8gig of ddr3 1333 ram
oh, this is a laptop

Posted by: navycopjoe at March 03, 2010 12:42 AM (6qHcG)

428 423 rawmuse - it wasn't just earthquakes in Rome, it's the tendency of the locals to mine/recycle old buildings for building materials. It's something of a lucky break that there is anything left at all.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 12:43 AM (ZnIuc)

429 Blackford Oakes at March 03, 2010 12:41 AM

Yes, didn't that get a couple of stinky-toes up? That was a Slappy Squirrell segment too, I think.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 03, 2010 12:43 AM (vQcmS)

430 Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (Vu6sl)
Whatever. I still appreciate the gesture.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:44 AM (iU/w4)

431 egyptian chariot i saw was underwhelming, as were the roman ones.

mummy i saw in his sarcophagus was great

some medieval weaponry ive seen was very underwhelming.

sabre tooth tiger bones are str8 scary as shit.

suits of armor....bah, not all that. but im sure the guy who once wore it could whoop my ass.

washington monument was underwhelming too.

old sherman tanks at first glance could have you over look them...until you see them move, then its like 'whoah....'

old german panzers? they look cool....but id be damned if id get inside one and fight thru mud in that damn bucket.

just a sampling...


Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:44 AM (SlvZ2)

432 --and while Mark Twain may have been unimpressed with a lot of Israel, I thought it was cool that some of the Roman roads were still used to travel through the desert 2,000 years later. . . .

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:45 AM (omtdM)

433 Being a musician, I visited the orchestra pits in both Rome and Ephesus. Some things never change...

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 12:45 AM (zAVye)

434 The other sight, speaking of planes, that gets me teary, is the Blue Angels.
I saw them when I was a kid and one of the things I always wanted to do was see them with my kids. We did about 4 or so years ago. One of the highlights of our lives.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:46 AM (iU/w4)

435 We were impressed with the Statue of Liberty when we went a few years ago. What I was not impressed with was standing in the blazing heat with no shade or the restrooms that appeared to be original and in a horrible state.

Nonetheless, it was a good day and I'm glad I got to see it.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 03, 2010 12:46 AM (4MvxB)

436 430
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (Vu6sl)
Whatever. I still appreciate the gesture.
Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:44 AM (iU/w4)
I know you appreciate the gesture. I was just being a smartass. Sorry.

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:46 AM (Vu6sl)

437 I find the Arms and Armor wing of the Metropolitan Museum of Art fascinating.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:48 AM (RZ8pf)

438 "--and while Mark Twain may have been unimpressed with a lot of Israel, I thought it was cool that some of the Roman roads were still used to travel through the desert 2,000 years later. . . ."

---he mostly wrote about how small everything was to have such a great and inspired history. the temples, the surrounding area etc. he also wrote about how the place was ugly and desolate, and well a bit sad.

there was also another part of his trip where he went to golgotha and instead of the cross where jesus was crucified being there, the muslims had replaced it with a crescent atop a pole. i wonder if that was true....anyone know?

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:50 AM (SlvZ2)

439 436 430
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:28 AM (Vu6sl)
Whatever. I still appreciate the gesture.
Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:44 AM (iU/w4)
I know you appreciate the gesture. I was just being a smartass. Sorry.
De nada. An hour ago I would have recognized the joke. Maybe it's my bedtime.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:50 AM (iU/w4)

440 Additions:
Not living up to the hype:
Old North Church
Buckingham Palace
Times Square
Exceeded the hype:
Ávila
Great Wall of China
Prague Castle

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:52 AM (omtdM)

441 Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:44 AM (SlvZ2)

Washington Monument - I second that. Wish I could have had time to see more when I was there for the march on DC, but didn't - really wanted to see the Lincoln Memorial...that looks like it'd be as impressive as I imagine.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 12:52 AM (Ei3oZ)

442 I was the one that was underwhelmed by the pyramids at Giza. Yes I went inside one. Meh.
What was disappointing was all the hype, the structures themselves I'm sure were quite impressive but they weren't at all what I was expecting.
The Japanese tourists seemed to be happy with them. And I also learned that getting on the camel may be free, but you are gonna pay to get off of it.

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 12:53 AM (xa1/W)

443 Exceeded the hype:
Ávila
Great Wall of China
Prague Castle
Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:52 AM (omtdM)
you missed one:
first time you have sex

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:54 AM (Vu6sl)

444 ---he mostly wrote about how small everything was to have such a great and inspired history. the temples, the surrounding area etc. he also wrote about how the place was ugly and desolate, and well a bit sad. there was also another part of his trip where he went to golgotha and instead of the cross where jesus was crucified being there, the muslims had replaced it with a crescent atop a pole. i wonder if that was true....anyone know?
Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:50 AM (SlvZ2)
--Well, whaddaya expect: when he visited the Ottomans occupied it?
Golgotha is withint he Church of the Holy Sepulchre, still Christian.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:55 AM (omtdM)

445 --The Colosseum was pretty cool,
but not "Wow!" cool. Part of it was that chunks of it were
cannibalised to build other structures after Rome fell. Still was
impressive thaqt the Romans built things it took centuries to imrove
upon.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:42 AM

Know what impresses me but it's not a tourist attraction? Their aquaducts

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:55 AM (sYxEE)

446 Figure skating for morons!

Posted by: koopy at March 03, 2010 12:56 AM (ctR4U)

447 Funny Times Square story. We were in New York when my son was 5. We had dinner near Times Square and then walked over around 9pm to see the lights. My son squealed in delight and said “Mama, this place is exactly like the place in Spiderman.”

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:56 AM (RZ8pf)

448 I'm going to bed. 'Night, y'all.

Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:56 AM (iU/w4)

449 Yes, it's Market Street heading more-or-less East and some of the buildinga are still more-or-less there

great hats.....

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 12:56 AM (JrRME)

450 you missed one:
first time you have sex
Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:54 AM (Vu6sl)
--Umm, that would be in the other category!

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:57 AM (omtdM)

451 "
I was the one that was underwhelmed by the pyramids at Giza. Yes I went inside one. Meh."


ya thats what im sayin....its like when half of you people on this message board saw the stones in their hey-day. ive seen footage of the parties, the girls, the light-show and the boozing....and then i saw them it was a bunch of idiots dancing along with a group of old men in tights talkin bout banging girls n shit....

lol *ducks out of the room quickly*

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 12:57 AM (SlvZ2)

452 Not living up to the hype:Times Square
Agreed. I always seem to end up there when I'm in NY, though. Gah. It's like the ultimate in tourist traps.
Apropos of nothing, I now hate the Gap and will no longer be shopping there.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 12:57 AM (gofDd)

453 Know what still impresses me?

Hearing a B-17 starting up, taxiing, and taking off

Watching a Merlin powered Spitfire or Mustang doing anything

The sound of a 60s muscle car V-8

The sound of Harley's in a canyon

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:57 AM (sYxEE)

454 first time you have sex

Hmm, I’d have to go with “didn’t exceed the hype” for that one. Subsequent partners more than made up for it though.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:58 AM (RZ8pf)

455 good night, katya!

Know what impresses me but it's not a tourist attraction? Their aquaductsPosted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 12:55 AM (sYxEE)
--Never been to Segovia or Caesarea, eh?

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:58 AM (omtdM)

456 448 I'm going to bed. 'Night, y'all.
Posted by: katya at March 03, 2010 12:56 AM (iU/w4)
Good night, katya!

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 12:59 AM (Vu6sl)

457 Good night Katya, hope your husband’s back is better soon!

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 12:59 AM (RZ8pf)

458 Goodnight, Katya. Sleep tight. Don't let the bedbugs bite.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 01:00 AM (cMo6P)

459 good night katya
hello all
what is the topic du jour?

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:00 AM (Gk/wA)

460 Not living up to the hype:Times SquareAgreed. I always seem to end up there when I'm in NY, though. Gah. It's like the ultimate in tourist traps.You should have been there before 94, before it was bought and renovated. You got STD's just breathing there. Before the internet, that's where you went to buy the dirtiest German porn tapes.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 01:00 AM (sYxEE)

461 Palace of Knossos is pretty cool. As was Zeus’s cave. I could almost imagine Zeus growing up in that cave.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:00 AM (RZ8pf)

462 Not living up to the hype:Times Square

That's because, over the last 20 years, they've turned it into fucking disney world. The soul is gone, along with the charm.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 01:01 AM (5I0Yr)

463 Know what still impresses me?
a woman moaning?

Posted by: conscious, but incoherent at March 03, 2010 01:01 AM (Vu6sl)

464 Exceeded the hype:
Ávila
Great Wall of China
Prague Castle
Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:52 AM (omtdM)
rainbows nearly touching the ground in the Wicklow Hillsthe Berlin Wall ( although there was no hype )Mont St Michel, forty years ago ( before being invaded by potato fields )

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:01 AM (JrRME)

465 --Never been to Segovia or Caesarea, eh?

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 12:58 AM

Never been off the North American continent. I want to visit Europe someday.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 01:01 AM (sYxEE)

466 Oh yeah, the Berlin Wall. And crossing at Checkpoint Charlie. That was something.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:02 AM (RZ8pf)

467 462 - there never was any charm to Times Square. It's just a place that often, one needs to pass through to get to the next place. F.E. if you're taking the Shuttle from GCT to T.S. to get to the Upper West Side.

Posted by: Sassypants at March 03, 2010 01:03 AM (55Lwn)

468 Never been off the North American continent. I want
to visit Europe someday.


Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 01:01 AM (sYxEE)
If you ever make it, I highly recommend venturing outside whatever city you choose and seeing some wide open space. Those were always my favourite moments in the UK and France.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 01:03 AM (Ei3oZ)

469 That's because, over the last 20 years, they've turned it into fucking disney world. The soul is gone, along with the charm.
Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 01:01 AM (5I0Yr)
--From what I've read, I'd rather not take in that "charm." Blecch.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:04 AM (omtdM)

470 prypiat chernobyl in that zone of alienation had an old friend of a friend perk up. when asked if hed ever go again (it took great pains for him to even get there) he just blurted: FUCK NO.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:04 AM (SlvZ2)

471 Going north of the Arctic circle, watching the sun almost set, then rise again. No night. That was memorable.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:04 AM (zAVye)

472 Ho-lee shnikeiys, that Griggs woman is whacked! I was in the Navy for 20 years and never got invited to be part of a conspiracy. I wuz robbed, I tell you!

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 01:04 AM (xa1/W)

473 If you ever make it, I highly recommend venturing outside whatever city you choose and seeing some wide open space. Those were always my favourite moments in the UK and France.
Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 01:03 AM (Ei3oZ)
--Amen

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:05 AM (omtdM)

474 i wonder if world cup soccer matches in europe are worth the hype? someone has to know.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:05 AM (SlvZ2)

475 And Logprof - I agree with you about Avila. The place was awesome. That was part of my first trip abroad when I was 14 years old. After that, nine others from my high school and I stayed with families and went to school in a Costa Brava beach town every day to learn more Spanish.

Posted by: Sassypants at March 03, 2010 01:05 AM (55Lwn)

476 Good night, katya!
That's because, over the last 20 years, they've turned it into fucking disney world. The soul is gone, along with the charm.

It's charming getting mugged?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:05 AM (gofDd)

477 Puppy cam. Puppies are getting bigger fast.

Posted by: rdbrewer at March 03, 2010 01:06 AM (DZ/f5)

478 hmm, so the topic is impressive places to visit?

okay, how about here?

and you don't even have to leave the continent to get there

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:06 AM (Gk/wA)

479 You know, a recurring theme among conservatives is that moonbats falsely apply modern intellectual standards and thinking to the past.
Ergo, Washington, Jefferson et al were hypocrites, because they owned slaves, e.g.
Yet I read here a bunch of morons who are not impressed by the technology or art of thousands, or even hundreds, of years ago.
HAVE YOU ANY IDEA HOW ILL-EDUCATED AND BARBARIC YOU SOUND? DO YOU NOT YET UNDERSTAND THAT HUMAN BEINGS HAVE COME ENORMOUS DISTANCES OVER THE LAST 5,000 YEARS?
Caps on purpose. Anyone who sneers or says "meh" over the Sistine Chapel because it's not maintained to their level of physical comfortis obviously carrying around a suitcase full of feathers. Maybe, just maybe, the paintings require a lot of heat to survive. Ya think?
435 We were impressed with the Statue of Liberty when we went a few years ago. What I was not impressed with was standing in the blazing heat with no shade or the restrooms that appeared to be original and in a horrible state.
Who is so brain-dead as to confuse the Statue with the facilities around it? If you want to be "impressed" by toilet facilities, try the men's room at Grand Central Station. I don't know how you will react to your human surroundings, tho................
If these comments reflect the cultural level of AoS posters we are well and truly FUCKED.
THEN I read that for fusion, anything will work. Well, sure -- IF you have enough energy to power the sun to push molecules together to make them fuse!
Jebus, what idiocy on parade tonight!!!!



Posted by: effinayright at March 03, 2010 01:06 AM (2IdYS)

480 Speaking of the North American continent, in an example of how public schools and textbooks are dumbing down our kids, in my son’s social studies textbook it said that the North American continent was made up of 3 countries, Canada, the US, and Mexico. I guess they just decided to lob Central America off for some reason. Not to mention the Caribbean Islands.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:06 AM (RZ8pf)

481 Ruins that do not require a passport. Pretty amazing stuff, if you have interest in this continent's history.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 01:07 AM (gLSaO)

482 As for being impressed with sights when traveling....
When we have traveled to places, there is always a "plan," that we have figured out from internet and travel brochure research. Go here until noon, go there for lunch, and over yonder for the afternoon.
Those are never good, and while you get to say "I've been there," in my experience its the places you never planned on seeing that you always remember, like the quirky diner that only the locals know about, or the observation deck on the 'other' tower no one visits, or the park that was in that movie, you know the one?
Our lesson? Allow a full day for any major attraction, like a museum. At least half the day for minor attractions. Figure out the local mass transit, if it exists, and use it to your advantage.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 03, 2010 01:07 AM (vQcmS)

483 Caps on purpose. Anyone who sneers or says "meh" over the Sistine
Chapel because it's not maintained to their level of physical
comfortis obviously carrying around a suitcase full of feathers. "


the point of all this is upwards.....follow the bubbles before posting in caps.


Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:08 AM (SlvZ2)

484 mouse ball cleaning mouse ball repair mouse ball replacement mouse ball removal authentic replica mouse ball

Posted by: Amateur Spammer at March 03, 2010 01:08 AM (5I0Yr)

485 More Over-hyped:
The Louvre
Tiananmen Square: Big in scale and historically significant, but not much to it
Underhyped:
Salzburg
Chartres Cathedral: That town has never been big, yet somehow its citizens erected a majestic UNESCO-scale masterpiece

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:08 AM (omtdM)

486 Pompeii ( no one believes me but the whole city is still there, dug out of the volcanic ash, with dessicated corpses still there in the Roman houses. The sunken streets have stones at intersections perfectly spaced and aligned with the width of carriages, so that carriages could drive through while people could keep out of the mud and shit running through the streets

1965, it cost 300 lira to get in--fifty cents

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:09 AM (JrRME)

487 effinayright, well in principle, anything will work for fusion. The question is, will you get enough energy out of it that exceeds the energy required to create the fusion? For the vast majority of substances, the answer is no.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:09 AM (Gk/wA)

488 Mouse balls?!!!

Posted by: Mickey at March 03, 2010 01:10 AM (cMo6P)

489 @481 Nice! Bookmarked. Love the scalable photos.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:11 AM (zAVye)

490 And Logprof - I agree with you about Avila. The place was awesome. That was part of my first trip abroad when I was 14 years old. After that, nine others from my high school and I stayed with families and went to school in a Costa Brava beach town every day to learn more Spanish.
Posted by: Sassypants at March 03, 2010 01:05 AM (55Lwn)
--That city made me feel like I was travelling back 1,000 years once I entered its magnificent walls. I wishedI could have spent all day on top of it.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:12 AM (omtdM)

491 Effinayright, I don’t actually need a suitcase full of feathers and not only have I studied art, but I also teach art. Heat can actually be a problem for art, that’s why museums take great care in their temperature and humidity controls. It is a miracle that some amazing works of art have survived through the ages considering the way they were displayed. And a lot of art has had to be re-touched and cleaned because of it. The Sistine Chapel is a good example of this.

I think the only moron on display here tonight is you. This does not surprise me.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:12 AM (RZ8pf)

492 PGiS, does the textbook say there are 57 states?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:14 AM (gofDd)

493 There are 2 places that I have visited that have reduced me to tears, one was Pompeii, the other was Hiroshima.

In both places death came swiftly. People were frozen forever in their death poses. Mothers sheltering their babies in their arms. Men covering their heads. It was rough.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:14 AM (zAVye)

494 Underhyped:
Salzburg
Chartres Cathedral: That town has never been big, yet somehow its citizens erected a majestic UNESCO-scale masterpiece

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:08 AM (omtdM)

Ditto on both. If you get as far as Chartres you should do Mont St Michel.and Brugges, at night, during the day, in Winter in Summer. Brugges

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:14 AM (JrRME)

495 Only the Marxist textbooks, Rum.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 03, 2010 01:14 AM (vQcmS)

496 huerfano, have you seen the Lost City in NV or Mesa Verde?
I have only seen the former, but still cool.
Who is so brain-dead as to confuse the Statue with the facilities around it? If you want to be "impressed" by toilet facilities, try the men's room at Grand Central Station. I don't know how you will react to your human surroundings, tho................
Posted by: effinayright at March 03, 2010 01:06 AM (2IdYS)
--Sorry dude, but when you take the Staten Island Ferry and see what a shrimp Lady Liberty is in person, you shrug. Seriously, you could miss it if you;re not actively looking for it.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:15 AM (omtdM)

497 489 @481 Nice! Bookmarked. Love the scalable photos.


At last, the government does something right!

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 01:16 AM (gLSaO)

498 old roman frieze art smokes almost any of the newer type stuff. it really does, and that art isnt hyped in any way that ive seen.

mayan temple drawings are excellent little comic strip type of art that could embarrass any emo-art prog student's sensibilities, and you never hear any hype about that either.

...jus sayin.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:16 AM (SlvZ2)

499 Chartres Cathedral

I learned about it in high school! One of these days I want to go visit. Chartres is more impressive than Notre Dame imo.

with dessicated corpses still there in the Roman houses

I thought they're all plaster casts now and the actual people (well, remains) are in museums being studied.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:16 AM (gofDd)

500 Didn't live up to the hype: Obama

Exceeded the hype: First time I was racked. A novocaine ball dipping sauce would have come in real handy then.

Vastly overpriced stuff they missed: Fast food fountain drinks and fries, watch batteries. I did watch repair for awhile and bought batteries wholesale @ $0.50 each -- retail is around $3.99 no matter where you go.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 03, 2010 01:17 AM (h0RtZ)

501 LOL Rum. Hopefully not.

The kids threw us for a loop when they were supposed to be identifying whether t-shirts “came from” animals or plants. Several of the kids pointed out that clothes are sometimes made of leather or wool, which would be animal based but the answer the book wanted was plant.

Thank God their critical thinking skills haven’t been totally beat out of their heads yet.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:17 AM (RZ8pf)

502 490 - Yes, it was way cool, even impressing me at the age of 14. But I loved Spain. Seville was another place I enjoyed even though we didn't stay there long. But as to my favourite Spanish city, that would go, hands down, to Madrid. I know the world loves Barcelona, and maybe I didn't appreciate it back then (also I was sick to death of the Catalonians pretending they were better than the rest of the country, and dammit I was there to learn Spanish not get bombarded with Catalan signs every which way I turned), but, in my opinion, Madrid rocked. It also helped that I was taught to speak with a Castillian accent when I was little so I felt I was among friends.

Posted by: Sassypants at March 03, 2010 01:18 AM (55Lwn)

503 when you take the Staten Island Ferry and see what a shrimp Lady
Liberty is in person, you shrug. Seriously, you could miss it if
you;re not actively looking for it.
I noticed that last time I flew into JFK. I could see the city from my window and I was trying to identify all the landmarks. Even as we were coming closer to the ground, the Statue of Liberty isn't even as tall as some of the buildings Downtown. I still want to get out there and see her, but I haven't had a chance yet. I need to go to NY when it's actually warm.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:18 AM (gofDd)

504 In both places death came swiftly. People were frozen
forever in their death poses. Mothers sheltering their babies in their
arms. Men covering their heads. It was rough.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:14 AM (zAVye)
Speaking of places of death, I don't think I could ever handle visiting any of the concentration camps.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 01:18 AM (Ei3oZ)

505 Ditto on both. If you get as far as Chartres you should do Mont St Michel.
and Brugges, at night, during the day, in Winter in Summer. Brugges
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:14 AM (JrRME)
--Alas, have not yet been to either, but both are on the proverbial list. I also enjoyed In Bruges.
I missed the effect on the train, but I have heard that the sight of Chartres popping up over the featureless plains is amazing.

There are 2 places that I have visited that have reduced me to tears, one was Pompeii, the other was Hiroshima.
Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:14 AM (zAVye)
--been to Arlington Cemetery yet? That was a heartstopper for me.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:19 AM (omtdM)

506 Rum, plan for tons of time to see the Statue of Liberty (or Ellis Island for that matter) thanks to 9/11 you have to stand in a massive security line before boarding the boat and I swear to God they are more thorough than the guys at the airport. We took the first boat and even then they recommended getting there an hour before the boat, later in the day on busy days it is apparently sometimes up to 2 hours in the line. Of course this was in 2007, maybe they’ve streamlined some since then.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:21 AM (RZ8pf)

507 It's charming getting mugged?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:05 AM (gofDd)
Crime went down all over Manhattan, but not all of Manhattan has been stripped of all humanity and coated in patently uninteresting neon goo.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 01:21 AM (5I0Yr)

508 Mesa Verdeis a completely different landscape from Chaco Canyon. It is very beautiful, as well. I think the cliff dwellings are unique.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 01:22 AM (gLSaO)

509 tdpwells, it is a moving experience to visit one of the concentration camps. There aren’t words enough for it. Having been, and also having been to the Holocaust Museum in DC, it makes me want to punch Holocaust deniers in the face.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:23 AM (RZ8pf)

510 Speaking of places of death, I don't think I could ever handle visiting any of the concentration camps.
Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 01:18 AM (Ei3oZ)
--I have not yet been either. I think the Holocaust Museum in DC is as close as I want to get.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:23 AM (omtdM)

511 Hrm. I need to do some more traveling.

Posted by: Z Ryan at March 03, 2010 01:23 AM (cMo6P)

512 Anyone mention Sedona yet? That place was absolutely beautiful, in my opinion.

Posted by: Sassypants at March 03, 2010 01:24 AM (55Lwn)

513 The “Charmin Experience” in Times Square makes me laugh.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:24 AM (RZ8pf)

514 Sarah Palin Intervew on Jay Leno

Posted by: newser at March 03, 2010 01:25 AM (D2axM)

515 Mesa Verdeis a completely different landscape from Chaco Canyon. It is very beautiful, as well. I think the cliff dwellings are unique.
Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 01:22 AM (gLSaO)
--Wow, even the pictures still amaze me. I have been to Paquimé in Mexico, which was built by the same people, but it is not in cliffs.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:26 AM (omtdM)

516 "tdpwells, it is a moving experience to visit one of the concentration
camps. There aren’t words enough for it. Having been, and also having
been to the Holocaust Museum in DC, it makes me want to punch Holocaust
deniers in the face."

ever seen the rescue videos? i couldnt make it through them. the soldiers in the film were very very pissed to see that, cant blame em.

equally difficult to watch are old ww2 combat footage. the 5 minutes of it ive seen of it was too brutal, theres a reason this stuff isnt always shown on TV. one thing i took from it, and yes i do well with pride if you must know, is that US marines are scary mother fuckers when they fight.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:27 AM (SlvZ2)

517 479 effenayright - I'll have to agree generally. The pyramids (for example) may not seem to be all that much in the age of fantasy illustrations and computer graphics - but try cutting stone blocks with early bronze-age tools - not particularly easy; and try hauling them and fitting them in place without wheeled vehicles - not exactly automatic. Jericho may be a just little hill with a lot of holes, not very impressive - but it was first built at the very beginning of the Neolithic, before pottery, before any farming, before any use of metals, with crude stone tools, with houses and walls. Roman aqueducts sometimes ran for outrageous distances - they would be ambitious projects today, let alone then (hint: their tools were mostly soft iron, not steel or even hard wrought iron). And so on.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 01:27 AM (ZnIuc)

518 Yes, been to Arlington, and almost every Civil War era battlefield. Haunting, but not like where death comes like the wind and cuts down every living thing in seconds like Pompeii, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those places were spooky.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:28 AM (zAVye)

519 This just in: Sarah Palin is still hot.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:28 AM (omtdM)

520 The “Charmin Experience” in Times Square makes me laugh.

I try.

Posted by: The Mega Independent at March 03, 2010 01:28 AM (5I0Yr)

521 PGIS and logprof, I just can't imagine going there and not sobbing through the whole thing. Evil like that lingers - I know it's just land and buildings, but I honestly don't know if I could walk through the gate.

One of my friends in high school went with her German class over there, and they visited one of the camps - she said she just wanted to scrub herself raw by the time they'd left, she felt so unclean.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 01:30 AM (Ei3oZ)

522 with dessicated corpses still there in the Roman houses

I thought they're all plaster casts now and the actual people (well, remains) are in museums being studied.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:16 AM (gofDd

Who knows? The guide told us the bodies in the 'beds' ( niches in the walls ) and on the floors were the Real Deal. I remembered that........ Maybe things have changed there since 1965; nearly everything else has

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:30 AM (JrRME)

523 505 Yeah, Arlington National Cemetery was something an American, if they have the opportunity, should visit. I saw a burial, Audie Murphy's grave, and watched the changing of the guards at the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier. It was the most important thing I saw in DC.

Posted by: GnuBreed at March 03, 2010 01:31 AM (h0RtZ)

524 been to Arlington Cemetery yet? That was a heartstopper for me.

I love Arlington. It's so pretty and peaceful even though it's right off one of the busiest bridges in DC.

Anyone mention Sedona yet? That place was absolutely beautiful, in my opinion.

Agreed. I'd love to go back and spend a 3 day weekend there at one of the spas. I only got to spend a couple hours there last time.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:31 AM (gofDd)

525 Oh yeah, going to Gettysburg is quite the scene. It's a place you'll have to visit. Very moving.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:32 AM (Gk/wA)

526 Oh yeah, going to Gettysburg is quite the scene. It's a place you'll have to visit. Very moving."

went there twice when i was little. that place was very calm and serene to me i remember.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:33 AM (SlvZ2)

527 Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 01:27 AM (ZnIuc)
--And to think some of those structures are still in use today.
The guide when I was in Israel told about how King Herod Agrippa had an aqueduct system built into his palace in Caesarea to bring in fresh fish for eating. As our guide put it: "He was a genius. An evil genius, but a genius."

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:33 AM (omtdM)

528 Oh, also, about textbooks. The reason why textbook prices are so high is because of the used book market. Publishers do not make any money off of textbooks after about 3 years on the market, because the used book market for that book has become saturated so nobody buys new books anymore.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:34 AM (Gk/wA)

529 Evil like that does linger. And it is almost palpable in some places.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:34 AM (RZ8pf)

530 Lately, I have been twitching for a car trip across country, one last time. Work is slow, may as well get it done before the country goes down the crapper for real. Soon as the snows melt, I'm gone.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:35 AM (zAVye)

531 I wish SF was still that car friendly.

Posted by: Pat at March 03, 2010 01:36 AM (R0lVr)

532 Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 01:30 AM (Ei3oZ)

Call me heartless, but I wasn't moved by the DC Holocaust museum. I appreciated it and really liked how they arranged the way you're supposed to go through it. I also think it's a great educational place.

What brought me to tears was the WTC Path Station the first time I visited NYC. Looking at all the names on the boards posted, especially the first responders, made me cry.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:36 AM (gofDd)

533 Oh, also, about textbooks. The reason why textbook prices are so high is because of the used book market. Publishers do not make any money off of textbooks after about 3 years on the market, because the used book market for that book has become saturated so nobody buys new books anymore.
Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:34 AM (Gk/wA)
--Yup. I still remember back in the day when Garth Brooks et al. railed against the used CD market for the same reason.
Seems quaint now.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:36 AM (omtdM)

534 Yes, I can imagine Gettysburg is usually very calm, but on the day I visited there were a few busloads of schoolkids there touring, so not quite so calm. There are about a million bazillion monuments, too.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:37 AM (Gk/wA)

535 The Palace of Knossos is fascinating for its engineering ingenuity.

I know human beings can be awful creatures, but you have to admit we’re also pretty damn amazing.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:37 AM (RZ8pf)

536 I missed the effect on the train, but I have heard that the sight of Chartres popping up over the featureless plains is amazing.

I went there on a tour bus and then by auto-mobile. There were other towns with a Gothic cathedral dominating the horizon, like Evereux, so I never got the 'horizon thing'

That Irish Buddy movie about Brugges was funny and showed some great views of the central city. including THE ALCOVES

"You have this word in English? Alcoves?"

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:37 AM (JrRME)

537 You want to know what else is amazing? Approaching Las Vegas on I-15 from the east, at night. You come over this ridge and you peer into the valley that is just this enormous sea of lights.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 01:38 AM (Gk/wA)

538 "You have this word in English? Alcoves?"
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:37 AM (JrRME)
--My favorite part. In the midst of completing a hit.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:39 AM (omtdM)

539 What brought me to tears was the WTC Path Station the
first time I visited NYC. Looking at all the names on the boards
posted, especially the first responders, made me cry.


Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:36 AM (gofDd)
Nah, you're not heartless. Museums have a way of making everything feel so detached.Oddly enough, I was more upset about 9/11 on the one year anniversary than I was the day of the attack.

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 01:40 AM (Ei3oZ)

540 That Irish Buddy movie about Brugges was funny and showed some great views of the central city. including THE ALCOVES

In Bruges? Great movie, although the end is depressing.

I kinda want to go to Prague. It's low on my list of places to see, but I've heard good thing about it.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:40 AM (gofDd)

541 527 logprof - one of the interesting things about ancient and medieval technology is how much of it is either unknown, but must have been interesting to produce such results, and also how much of it is simply brilliant tweaks of well-known materials and methods. One example is that of calculation: people so often assume that since they didn't calculate on paper, and used Roman numerals, that they must have had difficulties. They of course used a crude but effective abacus, namely counters (pebbles, pottery discs, coins, brass tokens) on lines (in the dirt, on a table, on a cloth). They could use any base or combination of bases they chose, so e. g. pounds/shillings/pence was easy enough for anyone with a tolerable memory, even though it involves four different bases (4, 12, 20, and 10). The result was then written in Roman numerals, cuneiform, or whatever.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 01:41 AM (ZnIuc)

542 I know human beings can be awful creatures, but you have to admit we’re also pretty damn amazing."

ive often lamented that ancient man wasnt as rudimentary or low brow as some would suggest, they were actually quite intelligent considering their times, technological prowess and the problems they faced.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:41 AM (SlvZ2)

543 Rum the Holocaust Museum really brought home to me the fact that Roosevelt and the US government knew damn well what Hitler was up to in regard to the Jewish population several years before the US entered the war. Should the US have entered the war sooner? I don’t know.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:41 AM (RZ8pf)

544 Hype FAIL:
Hong Kong
Toronto
Met/Exceeded Hype:
Machupicchu
Old Québec

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:42 AM (omtdM)

545 Should the US have entered the war sooner? I don’t know."

couldnt at the time.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:43 AM (SlvZ2)

546 Roosevelt and the US government knew damn well what Hitler was up to in
regard to the Jewish population several years before the US entered the
war.

What? What did you see in the museum to convince you of this?

Posted by: arhooley at March 03, 2010 01:44 AM (2zkIP)

547 You want to know what else is amazing? Approaching Las Vegas on I-15
from the east, at night. You come over this ridge and you peer into
the valley that is just this enormous sea of lights.

That's so funny. My dad was watching Diamonds are Forever and said, "Hey, want to see what Vegas looked like a long time ago?" All that was there was the Dunes, pretty much. I love coming down I-15 from the west and looking straight on to all the pretty lights. It's just so cool.

I was more upset about 9/11 on the one year anniversary than I was the day of the attack.

Shock, I think. I can't say I was upset that day so much as completely, absolutely stunned. It wasn't until I listened to the 911 calls later and watched footage that it really hit home. When they released the tapes, our local morning guy played them on the air. I broke down into tears while I was driving to work.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:45 AM (gofDd)

548 I kinda want to go to Prague. It's low on my list of places to see, but I've heard good thing about it.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:40 AM (gofDd)
--Prague is awesome. $1 for a half-litre (>pint) of beer? Count me in for a return trip! The Charles Bridge and Castle are amazing. It is no longeroff the beaten path, but still has a lot of great sights.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:45 AM (omtdM)

549 All the stories are reminding me of some places I'd like to add to my travel list.

Posted by: Annabelle at March 03, 2010 01:45 AM (UbvkM)

550 I thought they're all plaster casts now and the actual people (well, remains) are in museums being studied.Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:16 AM (gofDd
I think little study is being done. One of the guides at Salmon Ruins, which is a little site innorthwest NM, said that fifty boxcar loads of stuff was taken out of there. It is probably in someone's collectionbut nota museum collection. Things tend to disappear.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 01:46 AM (gLSaO)

551 The thing I love about ancient times on up through the ages is the convergence of math and science and how discoveries and advancements in one or both areas spawned so much more innovation and discovery.

Simple example, perspective in art. Until the Renaissance and Bruneschelli approaching it with geometry, perspective didn’t really exist in art. Sure, there were many techniques artists used to approximate it, but it was Bruenschelli’s breakthrough that made the realistic representation of 3D space on a 2D surface possible.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:47 AM (RZ8pf)

552 542 str8 - amazing, isn't it, the tendency of modern "educated" people to assume that our ancestors were somehow a lot less intelligent then their descendants, even though the only real difference is the quality of the tools they use?

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 01:47 AM (ZnIuc)

553 the Holocaust Museum really brought home to me the fact that Roosevelt
and the US government knew damn well what Hitler was up to in regard to
the Jewish population several years before the US entered the war.
Should the US have entered the war sooner? I don’t know.

We had this discussion in one of my history classes. I wish I could remember the entirety of my professor's explanation because it was a good one. I think he said Roosevelt knew but he couldn't tip his hand. There was a strategic reason that we didn't enter the war sooner and needed Pearl Harbor to give us that push. Crap, I wish I could remember what my professor said.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:47 AM (gofDd)

554 Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 01:41 AM (ZnIuc)
--The Incan ruins in Peru are also a wonder. They had primitive tools and no formal writing, but were impressive builders and even more impressive administrators. The ruins of Saqsayhuaman (just pronounce it "sexy woman") above Cuzco are pretty cool: enormous, multi-tin stones fitted like jigsaw puzzle pieces with primitive labour and technology. Really cool viewed from the air.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:48 AM (omtdM)

555 What? What did you see in the museum to convince you of this?

Maps and plans of concentration camps, telegrams and letters to and from various US government officials.

But, yeah, the US wasn’t exactly in a place where they could enter the war at that point.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 01:50 AM (RZ8pf)

556 logprof, Prague is on my Bucket List. And Budapest. I couldn't go in the Old Days because of clearances

I did go to Dachau--for a sixth grade day trip !! It's close to Munich. I was too young to understand, and it was a 'work camp' / Arbeitslager rather than death camp

Worth a trip even though always tutti crowded: Venice. Go in the Fall or Spring

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:50 AM (JrRME)

557 It is probably in someone's collectionbut nota museum collection. Things tend to disappear.

I hate that shit. Truly. It's morbid and it robs people of the ability to learn about history. And it robs me of my morbid curiosity to look at dead bodies that are hundreds of years old. I'm fascinated with mummies and the Pompeii people. It's a moment that's frozen in time and I like to wonder about who they were and how they lived their lives.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:50 AM (gofDd)

558 The reason was the USA was solidly isolationist until Pearl Harbor. After that, it all changed.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:51 AM (zAVye)

559 Oh, and our ancestors were often amazingly tough - there was a notable find a few years ago of a skull in Britain which had had a tooth drilled; it was Neolithic, and the molar was drilled with a stone drill, without any anesthetic. Evidently the patient survived; but the thought of what he endured is not a pleasant one. Or the English soldier whose remains were found at Towton (1461); he had lost half of his face in an earlier battle to a sword or halberd, but it had healed well enough for him to have fought on the Lancastrian side and been captured and executed there.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 01:51 AM (ZnIuc)

560 ParanoidGirlInSeattle

you can follow the evolution of basic mechanics through the ages also. from simple multi-wheeled carts/objects to complex gearworks etc. and architectural advances were amazing as well. medicinal breakthroughs mustve been quite nasty though, but other than that, ancient man wasnt just some lumbering idiot who only wanted to destroy, as some libs would have you believe.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:51 AM (SlvZ2)

561 544
Hype FAIL:
Hong Kong
I dasagree about HK. Watching the HK light show (from Kowloon) and taking the bus to the peak are both amazing experiences. That city is a monument to what capitalism can do. Looking out over the city from the peak is truly mesmorizing.
I unfortunately missed my opportunity to experience the "Hong Kong Turn" (approach to the old Kai Tak Airport) and never got to see the Kowloon Walled City. Those are two of my life's biggest regrets.

Posted by: In Exile at March 03, 2010 01:52 AM (Dw6L6)

562 Worth a trip even though always tutti crowded: Venice. Go in the Fall or Spring
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:50 AM (JrRME)
--and that's on my list, along with Florence!
I also enjoyed Dubrovnik, although I was planning to go with my bride.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:52 AM (omtdM)

563 "But, yeah, the US wasn’t exactly in a place where they could enter the war at that point."

neither was most of europe, russia....

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:52 AM (SlvZ2)

564 Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 01:51 AM (ZnIuc)

Oh, man. I cringe at the stories of War of Northern Aggression soldiers who had limbs amputated with saws and the only anesthetic was lots of booze and a strip of leather or bark between the teeth.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:53 AM (gofDd)

565 Not that anyone's wondering at this point, but the Air song La Femme D'argent (in the 1905 video above) is the long version off of the Moon Safari album.

Posted by: wooga at March 03, 2010 01:54 AM (IhzyJ)

566 Worth a trip even though always tutti crowded: Venice. Go in the Fall or Spring
Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 01:50 AM (JrRME)
--and that's on my list, along with Florence!Venezia e Firenze! They're on my list, too. I think Italia is tops on my list right now, followed by a return trip to the UK and France, then Germany/Austria, then Spain.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:55 AM (gofDd)

567 Men and women were much tougher in the past. We moderns are total wusses in comparison, completely inferior physically, for the simple reason that the weak died off quickly in ages past.

Today we elect the weak to high political office.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 01:55 AM (zAVye)

568 We went to Arlington on our DC Trip a little over a year ago, was very moving. Fought that lump the whole time.
One of our other favorite spots there was the Newseum. The 2nd, and 3rd (and maybe 4th?) floors in one area were dedicated to 911. Almost every front page from 9-12 was on the wall, at least two stories worth. Several items from the Towers were on display. Could not bring ourselves to watch the movie they had, both entrances to the film area had kleenex boxes permanently attached. And were well used.
In the basement there, there is also a section of the Berlin Wall, and an Eastern Guard Tower you can see the inside of and look up in. Pictures of people trying to make it across, the barbed wire, the standoffs, all around the room. All in all, nothing very threatening, but all very very moving.
Oh, and, if possible, I recommend seeing the Monuments at night. They are lit up to give you maximum experience, in my opinion. But avoid tour groups, they have no clue half the time.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 03, 2010 01:55 AM (vQcmS)

569 if i remember right, we didn't get into ww2 sooner simply because most americans were very isolationist at the time.

Posted by: koopy at March 03, 2010 01:56 AM (ctR4U)

570 "Oh, and our ancestors were often amazingly tough"

and also very young warriors. i think achilles was what....15?

the thought of a guy my age approaching some armored kid...."you shall not pass mister!!!".....

"oh shut up kid get outta my way, im late for my.....OMGOMGGETTHISKIDOFFMEHEBREAKINGMYFUCKINGARMOFF"

yes, they were tough little bastidges.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 01:56 AM (SlvZ2)

571 One of the best museum exhibits I have seen was in the LBJ library in Austin. It wasa WWII exhibit that had clothing, weapons, letters, films, photos and news stories from both fronts of the war. To really seethe whole thing you had to go to the end down one sideand thenstart again, atthe beginning. It was a very moving memorial to all of the people who lived through the hardships, at war and at home.

Posted by: huerfano at March 03, 2010 01:57 AM (gLSaO)

572 One of our other favorite spots there was the Newseum.

Where was this? Damn, I missed it the last few times I was in DC.

I recommend seeing the Monuments at night. They are lit up to give you maximum experience, in my opinion.

ITA. The Lincoln Memorial is so pretty at night. I love the view from the steps towards the Capitol. The WWII memorial is one of my favorites and is absolutely gorgeous at night.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:58 AM (gofDd)

573 lots of booze and a strip of leather or bark between the teeth.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:53 AM (gofDd)
--Uh, have you never heard the phrase "bite the bullet"? It came from somewhere!

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 01:58 AM (omtdM)

574 War of Northern Aggression

I prefer the term War of Southern "Oh Fuck That's Right We Have No Industrial Base We're A 17th-Century Agrarian Shithole" Slave-Owning-Dumbfucks Miscalculation.

Posted by: Waterhouse at March 03, 2010 01:59 AM (OCpJS)

575 I prefer the term War of Southern "Oh Fuck That's Right We Have No
Industrial Base We're A 17th-Century Agrarian Shithole"
Slave-Owning-Dumbfucks Miscalculation.

That's a little too much of a mouthful for me.

And I don't want to be labeled a damn Yankee!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 02:00 AM (gofDd)

576 Alright I'm off to take some good narcotics and pass out. Night all!

Posted by: tdpwells at March 03, 2010 02:00 AM (Ei3oZ)

577 Lincoln Memorial and WWII Memorial at night

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 02:01 AM (gofDd)

578 I think Italia is tops on my list right now, followed by a return trip to the UK and France, then Germany/Austria, then Spain.
Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:55 AM (gofDd)
--Is that the order you'd rank them?
The Newseum is relatively new; it opened when I lived in the area (2000-04). Only the Spy Museum and the Museum of the American India are newer.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 02:01 AM (omtdM)

579 I’m not very good with World War II history, or history in general for that matter, it was always one of my weak areas of study, so I’m not going to wade into this much farther, lest I drown.

However, I guess what surprised me was that in high school I was taught something different about the US role in World War II then what I discovered in reading documents at the Holocaust Museum. I confess it was one of the first times I realized that public school education comes with a healthy dose of propaganda.

Not that the US role in World War II was anything less than heroic, because of course it was, and my father received a Purple Heart for his service in the war so I would in no way denigrate the US troops.

But, it also opened my eyes a bit about the US government.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 02:01 AM (RZ8pf)

580 Venezia e Firenze! They're on my
list, too. I think Italia is tops on my list right now, followed by a
return trip to the UK and France, then Germany/Austria, then Spain.


Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:55 AM (gofDd)
Yeah, and go to Pisa before that f-in tower finally falls over. In the Old Days you could walk up around and around the steps to the top--I did, as a kid. There was just this one rope as a railing up there. Florence has the Uffizi, of course--last time I was there it was not air-conditioned, so go there before the paintings melt.

Posted by: SantaRosaStan at March 03, 2010 02:03 AM (JrRME)

581 Korean War memorial

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 02:03 AM (gofDd)

582 Not that the US role in World War II was anything less than heroic, because of course it was, and my father received a Purple Heart for his service in the war so I would in no way denigrate the US troops.

But, it also opened my eyes a bit about the US government.
Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 02:01 AM (RZ8pf)
--I gotta admit, having moved north of the 49th has made me appreciate a lot more what the Hosers did in both world wars. They are now my heroes as well as the men of Pearl Harbor and the Marne.

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 02:05 AM (omtdM)

583 Is that the order you'd rank them?

I think so. I've been dying to go to Italy ever since I took art history in college. I want to see the Medici Palace, the Uffizi, the Fahrnese Palace, the Duomo, St. Marks, etc.

The Newseum is relatively new; it opened when I lived
in the area (2000-04). Only the Spy Museum and the Museum of the
American India are newer.I was underwhelmed by the American Indian Smithsonian. The American History one is my favorite, but they were working on it last time I was there and moved some of the displays into the Air and Space Museum.I still haven't been to the Spy Museum! I've been wanting to go. Where is the Newseum located?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 02:06 AM (gofDd)

584 PGIS there is a good BBC series about the WWII period that I enjoyed very much. It is based on declassified documents. It is called "World War II Behind Closed Doors".

I enjoyed it, also found some of it shocking, especially in regards to some border drawing deal making that was done at the time. It was well acted, good portrayals of Churchill, FDR, Uncle Joe, the whole lot.

And they tell you when they all lied! Amazing. No whitewashing was done that I could see.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 02:06 AM (zAVye)

585 One of our other favorite spots there was the Newseum.Where was this? Damn, I missed it the last few times I was in DC.

It's right on Pennsylvania Ave, right across from the FTC (I think?), and next to the Canadian Embassy. If you watch "This Week" with whoever, you'll see several great shots of it. Awesome view of DC from the roof too.
You can see the room where the Roundtable is, and unlike most news interview shows, the Capital dome out the window there is actually the Capital dome, not some CGI.

Posted by: JamesLee at March 03, 2010 02:06 AM (vQcmS)

586

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-EH6JP1G3QI



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIjuXMRdDUk



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qizuEvDgeEMfeature=related



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nLSSg1I3vwAfeature=related

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 02:09 AM (SlvZ2)

587 Thanks rawmuse, I’ll look that up.

I think I’ve said it here before, but one of the best films on World War II that I have seen was at the Museum of Flight here in Seattle in the Personal Courage wing. I learned more about the Pacific Theater than I ever knew. It was fascinating how they hopped from island to island, securing the air bases so they could move the planes closer to the action.

I guess I wasn’t paying that much attention when I used to watch Baa Baa Black Sheep.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 02:14 AM (RZ8pf)

588 the world wars have been written and rewritten dozens of times. i question some of the things ive learned over the years. ive seen authors such as niall ferguson contradict earlier works of his own while reading thru some of his tomes. it can be a dredging headache to say the least.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 02:14 AM (SlvZ2)

589 588 str8 - most topics get rewritten, sometimes by revisionist crackpots, but also by someone who has found out something useful. There are a lot of documents out there waiting to be read, some of which are important; I have discovered my share of them in French archives, as well as looking through booksellers' document scrap-heaps. If some competent researcher gets hold of some useful material the "state of the art" can change very quickly.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 02:20 AM (ZnIuc)

590 Well, since the Chile earthquake changed the earth’s axis and shortened the day, I guess it’s time for me to turn in.

It’s enough to give you pause to wonder if maybe those crazy Mayans and their 2012 predictions had something.

Posted by: ParanoidGirlInSeattle at March 03, 2010 02:20 AM (RZ8pf)

591 FWIW I play dominoes on a fairly regular basis with one of FDR's grandsons. There are things that I have learned that I never considered for a minute.

Such as

The opinion that FDR, contrary to popular conservative dogma, may have actually saved Capitalism. After the Depression, if you weren't a Communist, you were a Rat Fink. FDR kept the hard core Commies out of serious influence.



Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 02:20 AM (zAVye)

592 Good night, PGiS!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 02:23 AM (gofDd)

593 I thought they're all plaster casts now and the actual people (well, remains) are in museums being studied.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 01:16 AM (gofDd)
The "people" disintegrated a long time ago. What you see is the casts made when the holes that the people left in the ashes were filled with plaster. Still, very impressive. I was taught to speak with a Castillian accent
Tho you learned to thpeak Thpanish with a lithp (the Castillian king had a lithp tho all the people learned to thpeak the thame way).

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 02:24 AM (xa1/W)

594 Good night, PGiS!

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 02:24 AM (omtdM)

595 Gasoline Gus

you would be correct. which is why ive found that looking at the enemies records fills in alot of gaps. a german student translated parts of ludendorff's diaries for me a few times and it was eye opening to say the least. the french records ive read and had translated were muddled and awkward, their maps were also for the most part, near useless. and dont even bother with the russian stuff, theyd have you believe the tank battle of kursk during ww2 happened all in one afternoon by some accounts.

Posted by: str8 outta monongahela at March 03, 2010 02:25 AM (SlvZ2)

596 Well damn, gotta go back to work now.

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 02:26 AM (xa1/W)

597 595 str8 - of course. Unfortunately those of us who work on premodern material sometimes have a bit of difficulty. The Roman literary sources for the reign of someone like Gallienus (253-26, for example, are well known and unlikely to be improved; they are also very bad. Had he been half as bad as these authors describe him ... let's just say that the modern world would have been somewhat different had the Roman empire permanently fragmented in the 260s rather than waiting until after 400 when the main barbarians (e. g. Goths) had been largely Romanized and civilized. His skills as a soldier, organizer, and diplomat prevented that disaster; but we can only infer it from the the lack of the usual consequences of his claimed vices.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 02:35 AM (ZnIuc)

598 lousy smiley! I meant 253-260 in parentheses.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 02:36 AM (ZnIuc)

599 aak! it's too late for me. Gallienus's reign was 253-268, not -260.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 02:37 AM (ZnIuc)

600 @591: "FDR kept the hard core Commies out of serious influence."
Well, having the Reds confiscate the Family holdings simply wouldn't do, you know.....
Plus, even if FDR kept 'em out (debatable), Truman let 'em right back in.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 02:42 AM (8MuSQ)

601 The opinion that FDR, contrary to popular conservative dogma, may have
actually saved Capitalism. After the Depression, if you weren't a
Communist, you were a Rat Fink. FDR kept the hard core Commies out of
serious influence.

Oh phooey, that is the standard lefty apologism for the New Deal and all of its socialist excesses. "Why, he just HAD to create the welfare state, otherwise the Commies would have nationalized everything!"

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 02:45 AM (Gk/wA)

602 Hmm I actually have a silver Gallienus coin somewhere. I should go dug it out.

Posted by: Mætenloch at March 03, 2010 02:45 AM (ops/N)

603 People today are fundamentally different. Or at least the 20% or so who are self-avowed leftists.

Finding a crypto-Marxist asshat in 1905 would take some doing. You could probably find some small percentage who were Marxists and proud to say so. What you wouldn't find are the covert Marxists that comprise that 20% who claim to be "liberals" today. The Marxists in 1905 were just as wrong as the Marxists in 2010, but at least they had the courage to profess their beliefs instead of hiding behind a smoke screen of bullshit.


Posted by: Lee at March 03, 2010 02:45 AM (zF8wD)

604 It is just ends-justifying-the-means nonsense. There are about a zillion ways that a president can stop the Commies from launching a revolution, and creating a welfare state is just one of them. FDR enacted the New Deal not because he was afraid of the Commies, but because he sympathized with their essential premise that the state, when properly staffed with smart people, can successfully direct a nation's economy. It was false then and it's still false now.

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 02:47 AM (Gk/wA)

605 LOL. I didn't say I agreed with the opinion, just that I had never heard of it before. In any event, it is impossible to prove a negative, since it didn't happen, just as Obama's "saved or created" jobs program is proving to be a fiction.

I wasn't alive then obviously, but, from what I read, Communism was popular in the USA 1930-'38. At least its adherents were, as you say, unabashed.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 02:52 AM (zAVye)

606 It is also just one more example of the leftist trick of "Let's invent a conservative-sounding rationale to justify our liberal agenda". You hear this all the time when asshats like John Kerry go on and on about the cap-and-trade nonsense being "market based! market based!" - like we are supposed to come join his economy-destroying crusade just because he uses conservative-sounding buzzwords. In this case, we're supposed to believe FDR was some sort of Commie-fighter, just like Cold War conservatives were, in order to justify the historical legitimacy of welfare statism. "See, you Rethuglicans? Don't be upset that Social Security is this awful Ponzi scheme that creates dependency on government - FDR did it to fight the Commies! You like fighting Commies, right? Then you should love Social Security!"

Posted by: chemjeff at March 03, 2010 02:53 AM (Gk/wA)

607 602 Maetenloch - one thing he did which was dubious at least was to debase the coinage considerably; what began as base silver ended as silver-washed copper. Presumably they needed to raise a lot of money in a hurry. If you have a silver one it is probably from the 250s, before the debasement, and before his father Valerian got captured by the Persians in 260.

Posted by: Gasoline Gus at March 03, 2010 02:58 AM (ZnIuc)

608 Gordon Shumway? really?

Posted by: er at March 03, 2010 03:05 AM (dtJc/)

609 All right, the Alberta Pure has done its work.
Have a good night, all!

Posted by: logprof at March 03, 2010 03:05 AM (omtdM)

610 Good night, logprof!

I never thought FDR was that great of a hero. Beyond leading the country in WWII, I abhor his domestic policies.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:07 AM (gofDd)

611 Although, I suppose he deserves credit for giving jobless people something to do, unlike teh Won who's going to have civil unrest on his hands if the economy keeps plummeting.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:07 AM (gofDd)

612 People I know that were alive at the time practically venerate FDR. Times were way tougher then than now (but we are not done with our problems). There was the Dust Bowl, farm foreclosures, bank failures, Huey Long, et al.

I find him, like his predecessor Hoover, both to be fascinating subjects for study, once you get past the usual static.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 03:12 AM (zAVye)

613 War of Northern
Aggression

I prefer the term War of Southern "Oh Fuck
That's Right We Have No Industrial Base We're A 17th-Century Agrarian
Shithole" Slave-Owning-Dumbfucks Miscalculation.


Posted by: Waterhouse at March 03, 2010 01:59 AM (OCpJS)Then why, pray tell, were you douchebags so eager to keep us in the Union? Hmmmmmmm?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:12 AM (1fanL)

614 @607: "one thing he did which was dubious at least was to debase the coinage considerably"
Too bad he didn't have Helicopter Ben, Turbo Tax Timmy, and a printing press......

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 03:14 AM (8MuSQ)

615 I find him, like his predecessor Hoover, both to be fascinating subjects for study, once you get past the usual static.

I think Hoover really got a bad rep, kinda like Bush has right now.

That said, I'll take an FDR New Deal Dem over the current crop of idiots running the Dem party. They were a different breed back then. I think they got usurped in the 60s and 70s by the Commies more permanently and overtly than in the 30s.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:16 AM (gofDd)

616 I just have this strong, pressing need to say this one little thing, and then you all can go back to discussing FDR.

I finally forced myself to read Jake Tapper's piece on What Obama is Going to Say Tomorrow. And I'm kind of nervous.

(I guess that's exactly how the bastard wants me to be.)

Posted by: arhooley at March 03, 2010 03:18 AM (2zkIP)

617 @613: "Then why, pray tell, were you douchebags so eager to keep us in the Union? Hmmmmmmm?"
They were just early iterations of modern Lefties - "You'll live exactly how we tell you to."

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 03:19 AM (8MuSQ)

618 @615: "That said, I'll take an FDR New Deal Dem over the current crop of idiots running the Dem party"
Well, helloooooooooooooooooooooooo nurse! Don't wear anything....complicated.

Posted by: Sen. Tom Harkin at March 03, 2010 03:21 AM (8MuSQ)

619 They were just early iterations of modern Lefties -
"You'll live exactly how we tell you to."

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 03:19 AM (8MuSQ)
Heh. Nice. And notice, after they came down and wrecked all our stuff trying to keep us in the Union, they didn't even help their fellow States rebuild. We've treated foreign conquered countries better than the South was treated.But I'm not bitter.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:22 AM (1fanL)

620 They were just early iterations of modern Lefties - "You'll live exactly how we tell you to."

But-but-but Lincoln saved the Union!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:23 AM (gofDd)

621 I think Hoover really got a bad rep, kinda like Bush has right now.

And FDR got an insanely good rap. I liked the way he sucked up to Uncle Joe while distancing himself from Churchill. How'd that work out?

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:24 AM (1fanL)

622 But-but-but Lincoln saved the Union!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:23 AM (gofDd)
If I didn't know any better rum, I'd say you were trying to stoke the fire. But you wouldn't do that.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:25 AM (1fanL)

623 I liked the way he sucked up to Uncle Joe while distancing himself from Churchill. How'd that work out?

Heh. And Uncle Joe wouldn't even deal with Truman. I was taught Joe would only ever deal with FDR and FDR was the only one who could make him laugh. What does that tell you about FDR?

I also like how all the lefties in their worship of FDR conveniently ignore the internment order. I don't necessarily disagree with him on it, but we all know that if FDR had been an R the lefties wouldn't be so nice about him today.

Kinda like they conveniently ignore that Lincoln was a Republican ("but he was a different kind," they whine) and that it was the Dems who tried to block the Civil Rights bill in the 60s.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:27 AM (gofDd)

624 If I didn't know any better rum, I'd say you were trying to stoke the fire. But you wouldn't do that.

Moi? Never!

Although my friend's conspiracy theory boyfriend says that the Union died after the War of Northern Aggression and the US is legally no more. I forgot what his reasoning was but it segued into the North American Union conspiracy.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:28 AM (gofDd)

625 Are we like them? Sure, from a biological perspective.
Notice the frenzy. People (kids) running. Chaos. Enterprising. Energy.
The risk-taking. The nonchalance.
The proper women getting on the trolly. Many proper men and women. running around. Exciting. Productive.
If you are that nonchalant about risk taking....hmmmmm. Running in the streets...that’s not good. All too frenzied, kid should be in school, taking meds.
How would Ms. Teddy Roosevelt come across with pamphlets about road safety. Hmmmm?
We have been beaten down a lot since then. We wond two wars since then (3 if count the cold war)..we rebuilt a country and a continent.

Yet, now, it seems that it is time to go another way. Build a great government to take care of us and our neighboors. Let go of prospertiy...expect less on the jobs front.

Posted by: jef at March 03, 2010 03:28 AM (Uc1yB)

626 @620: "But-but-but Lincoln saved the Union!"
If only he could have kept his yap shut at the theater......

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 03:30 AM (8MuSQ)

627 I also like how all the lefties in their worship of FDR conveniently
ignore the internment order. I don't necessarily disagree with him on
it, but we all know that if FDR had been an R the lefties wouldn't be so
nice about him today.

Yeah, it's the history that gets me. Since FDR was a Democrat, it was the United States that did the interning. If it had been President Prescott Bush, he'd be the most eevil man in history.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:31 AM (1fanL)

628 I went to Ford's Theatre one of the times I was in DC. I was underwhelmed by their little tiny museum. It didn't really have much. Although Lincoln's coat and the bloody pillow case were kinda cool.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:32 AM (gofDd)

629 @625: "We have been beaten down a lot since then. We wond two wars since then (3 if count the cold war)..we rebuilt a country and a continent.
Yet, now, it seems that it is time to go another way. Build a great government to take care of us and our neighboors. Let go of prospertiy...expect less on the jobs front."
FOR GONDOR!!!!

Posted by: Fa Cube Itchesmir at March 03, 2010 03:32 AM (8MuSQ)

630 the US is legally no more.

Because legally, the theory goes, the North had no right to force the South to stay. And contracts entered under duress are void. If it was Lefties pushing the argument, it'd get a lot more respect and attention.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:34 AM (1fanL)

631 We have been beaten down a lot since then.

The hell of it is that we didn't get beat down by wars or depression. We got beat down by nanny-state liberalism. Don't make me crawl up on my soapbox.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:35 AM (1fanL)

632 @628: "I was underwhelmed by their little tiny museum. It didn't really have much."
To be fair, not much else of note ever happened there.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 03:36 AM (8MuSQ)

633 Wait, so does that mean the theory is true? It was all kinda convoluted to me. And frankly this guy believes in so many conspiracy theories he's like listening to Coast to Coast. He asked me if I believed the moon landing really happened. He knows my dad works for NASA (affiliate) so I don't know why he would think I would doubt it. As far as I know he believes the moon landing was real since HIS father actually worked on the Apollo project!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:37 AM (gofDd)

634 To be fair, not much else of note ever happened there.

True, but I expected...more. At least, something more modern looking when it came to the display cases. Maybe that was too much to expect.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:39 AM (gofDd)

635 Likewise the Left ignores that it was Reagan who signed the reparations bill for the illegal internment.

Posted by: rawmuse at March 03, 2010 03:42 AM (zAVye)

636 634
True, but I expected...more. At least,
something more modern looking when it came to the display cases. Maybe
that was too much to expect.
Small museum = tiny budget = workable but ugly equipment

Posted by: M80B at March 03, 2010 03:43 AM (sZ+lP)

637 Still haven't ever heard what Mrs. Lincoln thought of the Our American Cousin

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 03:43 AM (8MuSQ)

638 Small museum = tiny budget = workable but ugly equipment

Good point.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:46 AM (gofDd)

639 It was also stuffy as hell in the museum. The day wasn't even that cold, but they had the heat going full blast.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:47 AM (gofDd)

640 @639: "It was also stuffy as hell in the museum. The day wasn't even that cold, but they had the heat going full blast."
Your tax dollars at work!

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 03:56 AM (8MuSQ)

641 *poke poke*

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 03:56 AM (gofDd)

642 Wait, so does that mean the theory is true?

Legally, there is an argument, yes.

Is it true? That usually depends on where you're from. It's true from the contract law standpoint. You can breach a contract whenever you like, and you can't be forced into a contract. But then there's an argument that the South has since enjoyed the benefits of the contract, so they're bound by it.

There's an argument that constitutional law is different, but I've never heard a plausible rationale. Something about how the Union is more perfect, and perfect Unions can't be broken. I didn't remember it because it wasn't very convincing.

Ultimately, might makes right. And also, it's moot, at this point. I just like tweaking people who are from outside the South, because most of them are very smug and self-satisfied with the self-righteous explanation that the South was pure evil and the North was pure good.

Whereas we sophisticated Southerners have a more nuanced view.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:58 AM (1fanL)

643 @642: "Whereas we sophisticated Southerners have a more nuanced view."
Oh, I'm a good ol' rebel,
now that's just what I am.
And for this Yankee nation,
I do not give a damn.
I'm glad we fought agin' her,
I only wish we'd won.
I don't ask any pardon
for anything I've done.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 04:02 AM (8MuSQ)

644 Whereas we sophisticated Southerners have a more nuanced view.

And better manners...

I should probably bump some southern cities to the top of my US travel list.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:02 AM (gofDd)

645 Ultimately, might makes right.

Government is force

Posted by: George Washington at March 03, 2010 04:04 AM (SwkdU)

646 Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 04:02 AM (8MuSQ)

That about gets it. Now I'm gonna have to get drunk on corn likker and shed a tear for the Bonnie Blue.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 04:05 AM (1fanL)

647 @645: "Government is force"
You can gegt farther with a gun and a kind word than with just a kind word.

Posted by: Alphonse Capone at March 03, 2010 04:07 AM (8MuSQ)

648 I just like tweaking people who are from outside the South, because
most of them are very smug and self-satisfied with the self-righteous
explanation that the South was pure evil and the North was pure good.

What pisses me off is the claims of racism whenever the Confederate flag is flown. Because slavery = racism, never mind that Africans were selling their own countrymen out. It makes me want to put the flag on my car just to piss off the prissy liberals in this city. Had they been around in the 1860s I highly doubt they'd have taken up arms against the South.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:08 AM (gofDd)

649 @646: "Now I'm gonna have to get drunk on corn likker and shed a tear for the Bonnie Blue"
Don't forget to eat your goober peas!
*sings*
We are a band of brothers,
And native to the soil
Fighting for the property
We gained by honest toil
And when our rights were threatened
The cry rose near and far
Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag
That bears a single star

Posted by: Alphonse Capone at March 03, 2010 04:09 AM (8MuSQ)

650 And better manners...

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:02 AM (gofDd)
Chicks dig manners. Especially when they aren't used to 'em.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 04:09 AM (1fanL)

651 Back when I was living in NJ, I drove to FL along I-95 in VA. At the Spotsylvania rest area there's a plaque describing the battle that took place there. You look at the Virginia countryside at it's most peaceful and can't comprehend how one of the war's most intense battles took place on those fields.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 04:10 AM (sYxEE)

652 Chicks dig manners. Especially when they aren't used to 'em.

Ain't that the truth. In a world of rudeness and down right assholery, it's nice to come into contact with people who are polite and have proper manners.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:12 AM (gofDd)

653 The cry rose near and far

Hurrah for the Bonnie Blue Flag

That bears a single star

Posted by: Alphonse Capone

I know what you mean, Al. I wish I was in Dixie, myself.

Posted by: Raymond Patriarca at March 03, 2010 04:12 AM (SwkdU)

654 I wish I was in the land of cotton,

Old times there are not forgotten;
Look away! Look away! Look away, Dixie's Land!

In Dixie's Land where I was born in,

Early on one frosty morning,
Look away! Look away! Look away, Dixie's Land!

Then I wish I was in Dixie! Hooray! Hooray!

In Dixie's Land I'll take my stand, to live and die in Dixie!

Away! Away! Away down South in Dixie!

Away! Away! Away down South in Dixie!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:19 AM (gofDd)

655 Ok someone's trying to break through the radio on the same frequency as KFI. Or my stereo is haunted.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:23 AM (gofDd)

656 @648: Never mind that more slaves were held (and for far longer) under the US flag than under the Confederate flag......

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 04:24 AM (8MuSQ)

657 Ok, my stereo is haunted. I changed the channel and the guy is still talking through my radio. Ham Radio operator gone wrong?

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:25 AM (gofDd)

658 Never mind that more slaves were held (and for far longer) under the US flag than under the Confederate flag......

Hear the liberals talk, slavery is the ultimate evil and only the US has ever done something like that.

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:26 AM (gofDd)

659 Lying in wait

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:27 AM (gofDd)

660 Waiting to pounce

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:27 AM (gofDd)

661 Wondering if the browser is going to freeze

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:27 AM (gofDd)

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:27 AM (gofDd)

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:27 AM (gofDd)

664 Stopped by the spam filter

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:28 AM (gofDd)

665 Crouching on the number

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:29 AM (gofDd)

666 Pounce

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:29 AM (gofDd)

667 Or my stereo is haunted.

Rum, it's me!

Posted by: Art Bell at March 03, 2010 04:29 AM (SwkdU)

668 Posted by: Art Bell

You're a ghost???

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:31 AM (gofDd)

669 @654: there's also a militarized version:
Southrons, hear your country call you,
Up! Lest worse than death befall you
To arms! To arms! To arms in Dixie!
Lo, all the beacon-fires are lighted,
Let our hearts be now united,
To arms! To arms! To arms in Dixie!
Advance the flag of Dixie, hurrah! Hurrah!
For Dixie's land, we'll take our stand,
to live or die for Dixie!

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 04:32 AM (8MuSQ)

670 I suppose I should crawl into bed. I'll dream of Dixie and the delicious food y'all serve down there. I need to go on a food tour of the South...

Good night!

Posted by: wherestherum at March 03, 2010 04:35 AM (gofDd)

671 You're a ghost???

No, but I have learned a few tricks in my day.

Posted by: Art Bell, privy to many secrets at March 03, 2010 04:35 AM (SwkdU)

672 We've treated foreign conquered countries better than the South was treated.But I'm not bitter.


Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 03:22 AM (1fanL)
Dude, it was like 145 years ago. That should have been plenty of time for you to GTF over it.War's long over. We're all just folk now.

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 04:47 AM (xa1/W)

673 Never mind that more slaves were held (and for far longer) under the US flag than under the Confederate flag......

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 04:24 AM (8MuSQ)
But they were held by the same people under both flags. A specious argument at best.Slavery has been illegal in the USA for longer than it was legal, considering the USA is only as old as it's constitution. However, slavery was legal in the North American continent for longer than it has been illegal.So it's all the fault of the Brits. But like I said, 145 years, plenty of time to GTF over it.

Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 04:53 AM (xa1/W)

674 War's long over. We're all just
folk now.


Posted by: GreenGasEmissions at March 03, 2010 04:47 AM (xa1/W)
At last, we can retire and give up this life of crime.

Posted by: jcjimi at March 03, 2010 04:54 AM (XSikc)

675 @673: "But they were held by the same people under both flags."
Not so. Not all slave states joined the Confederacy. The Union had slave states throughout the war.
And while the war may have been over for a while, the South didn't fully recover until much more recently. Besides, ill-feelings last much longer: ask a Serb about Kosovar muslims, and they'll start talking about stuff from the 1300s, and that's not an uncommon thing throughout the world. Mezoamericans still aren't fans of Columbus, for example.
It's not like most people here care as much as the people in those examples, but the "Forget, Hell!" mindset isn't without some historical precedent.

Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at March 03, 2010 05:30 AM (8MuSQ)

676 When my great-great-grandfather gets an apology for being shot through the hips, we'll talk.

Topic: For all their talk of pacifism, it was the fucking Quakers and their self-righteous bullshit that started that war. They're more than happy to let others die for their own beliefs.

Discuss amongst yourselfs.

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 03, 2010 05:35 AM (mR1vq)

677 For all their talk of pacifism, it was the fucking Quakers and their self-righteous bullshit that started that war.

Can't a man harvest his oats in peace?

Posted by: Wilford Brimley's dungeon master at March 03, 2010 05:41 AM (SwkdU)

678 Has anyone else noticed that, even under new management, Hot Air is still really shitty?

Posted by: Herr Morgenholz at March 03, 2010 05:54 AM (mR1vq)

679
Rudy Heeman is an inventor from New Zealand. He doesn’t toil away in a high-tech lab somewhere. He works out of his garage. That’s where he put together his own hovercraft. Now, that’s impressive.

But he didn’t stop there. Heeman decided to strap a pair of wings to it. That’s right. This hovercraft can fly. He just cranks it up to around 45 mph. He pulls back the yoke. And he’s airborne. Heeman plans to sell his invention. Maybe we’ll all have one someday.

Posted by: sickinmass at March 03, 2010 05:57 AM (Dxfei)

680
@673: "But they were held by the same people under both flags."
Not so. Not all slave states joined the Confederacy. The Union had slave states throughout the war.
Delaware, Maryland, Missouri, and Kentucky were slave states that stayed in the Union.

The Emancipation Proclamation was a cynical piece of legislation that emancipated slaves in Confederate states while exempting the above named states. For obvious reasons, all the 4 slave Union states had to be compromised for geographically strategic reasons.

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 05:58 AM (sYxEE)

681 He pulls back the yoke. And he’s airborne. Heeman plans to sell his invention. Maybe we’ll all have one someday.


His boy Elroy...

Daughter Judy...

Jane, his wife...

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 06:00 AM (sYxEE)

682 When do we demand that the Scandis apologize for the invasion, rape, and pillage of the British Isles?

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 06:04 AM (sYxEE)

683 When do we demand that the Scandis apologize for the invasion, rape, and pillage of the British Isles?

No time like the present. Most of them will apologize for anything.

Posted by: Viking Kitten at March 03, 2010 06:08 AM (SwkdU)

684 I was reading a little bit before on navies. The Kreigsmarine started construction on two light carriers in 1936 but never completed them. The same with converting a handful of passenger ships and a captured French light cruiser to escort carriers.

The Bismarck and Tirpitz were the only two battleships they commissioned, but they were badass. Exploration of the wreck by Dr Ballard confirmed that the ship sank from scuttling, not from torpedo damage. Fire damage was bad enough however to completely disable it, along with the busted rudder the British torpedo planes caused.

The U-Boat fleet inflicted some pretty nasty hits on our merchant fleet, enough to cause Churchill some very grave worries. Escort by light American carriers in the Atlantic along with convoy sailing finally curtailed the wolf packs.

I always wonder what would have happened had the Kreigsmarine built carriers.

Seems two things the Germans didn't do back then. A large surface navy and 4 engine heavy bombers for the Luftwaffe

Posted by: kbdabear at March 03, 2010 06:18 AM (sYxEE)

685
Tired of the Coffee Party and the Tea Party? We’re the newest game in town!

I woke up this morning and realized I didn’t want tea or coffee. I wanted hot cocoa!

So I turned on my computer and in a few minutes founded a new political movement — The Cocoa Party!

Yes, it was that simple.

Then I got one of my friends at the newspaper where I used to work to violate all professional journalistic ethics by writing a puff-piece about me without revealing that I used to work there. Thanks!

Also, thanks for not mentioning that I used to really really really like Kool-Aid.

Now, in between fielding 100 emails an hour from new members wanting to start chapters from Wasilla to Waco, Twittering 17 witty tweets per minute, fielding calls from TV producers and journalists, and weeping with joy and sincerity about our wonderful country, I barely have time to consider that I’ve just revolutionized politics — all before lunch!

But enough about me. This is about The Cocoa Party!

MISSION: The Cocoa Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see chocolate in government.

We are 100% weedroots. No astroturf Obama-campaigning former New York Times employees in the Cocoa Movement, no sirree! No grassroots racist fascist redneck Neanderthal Teabaggers either! And no hyper-partisan strategists calling the shots in this movement. We are a spontaneous and collective expression of our desire to forge a culture of ludicrous propaganda that is entirely blame-oriented. So abandon your deeply held beliefs and principles and join our 100% authentic political uprising today!

Funny satire, it could have been The Onion but it wasn’t.
h/t.. Zombie » Join the Cocoa Party!

Posted by: sickinmass at March 03, 2010 06:32 AM (Dxfei)

686
kbdabear,
The Pudding Party is all yours. Take it away!

Posted by: sickinmass at March 03, 2010 06:47 AM (Dxfei)

687 Seems two things the Germans didn't do back then. A large surface navy and 4 engine heavy bombers for the Luftwaffe

They had a number of long range bombers in development, one was even called the 'New York Bomber'. They probably got side tracked when Dear Leader decided that the Me-262 was the bomber they had been waiting for.

Posted by: fluffy at March 03, 2010 06:54 AM (SwkdU)

688 Good Morning MM's. Ha; discussing the late great unpleasantness of 1861 to 1865 on the ONT! Shame shame; I thought the topics were supposed to be limited to girls showing their tatas and men begging for that like sniviling dogs. That with a few links to applicable youtube videos with girls showing their tatas.
In any case, there are fewer subjects more misunderstood by the average person in the U.S. The problem is that people have been brainwashed by a century of PC liberal horse shit on TV, the movies, and even in the History books used in the schools.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 06:57 AM (QrA9E)

689 MISSION: The Cocoa Party Movement gives voice to Americans who want to see chocolate in government.

I was inspired, but don't need government assistance or interference in my pursuit of chocolate. I want to see chocolate in my hand as I shovel it into my gaping maw.

Posted by: fluffy likes it dark at March 03, 2010 07:03 AM (SwkdU)

690
Remember former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, the sleazy guy who ran New York state before the current sleazy guy? Spitzer’s former “Manhattan Madame” is now seeking his old job.

Davis served four months in prison in 2008 for her involvement in the escort service, which she said was the most successful call girl ring ever, with annual revenues of over $5 million.

If a sex trade worker gets elected, what new derogatory term can be used to demean the Governor?

During the course of the government’s investigation of Davis’s prostitution ring, it was discovered that Spitzer was a client. Spitzer resigned immediately following the revelation, citing “private failings.”

Kristin is not working alone.

She has hired the veteran Republican lobbyist, Roger Stone, from Richard Nixon’s Committee to Re-elect the President fame, to do all her maneuvering. Stone refers to himself as “a GOP hitman” and has been referred to as, “The most dangerous person in America today…”. Davis’ press release reads:

Davis will announce her intention to petition her way onto the ballot and will outline her platform, which includes legalization, regulation and taxation of prostitution and marijuana to generate urgently needed new revenues for New York State and her support for gay marriage.

The Clowns Upstate!

Posted by: sickinmass at March 03, 2010 07:04 AM (Dxfei)

691
Vic,
I added that 690
comment for you. A YouTube video with a hooker. Happy??

Posted by: sickinmass at March 03, 2010 07:07 AM (Dxfei)

692 The Emancipation Proclamation was a cynical piece of legislation that
emancipated slaves in Confederate states while exempting the above
named states.

And strangely, I'm not the least disturbed that the North won.

Posted by: Iskandar at March 03, 2010 07:08 AM (/o58C)

693 Remember former New York Governor Eliot Spitzer, the sleazy guy who ran New York state before the current sleazy guy? Spitzer’s former “Manhattan Madame” is now seeking his old job.


If she ever has a contentious argument with an opponent, she can stop him in his tracks by asking, "Do you expect me to swallow that?"

Posted by: fluffy, guttersnipe at March 03, 2010 07:13 AM (SwkdU)

694 Wow! Amazing footage of SanFran!
That was before the ratification of the 16th Amendment. Do they seem to step more lightly?
How could those people even function before Obama?

Posted by: Grant at March 03, 2010 07:24 AM (Y7MZd)

695 If the non-confederate state slaves were emancipated there was risk that those states would have joined the confederation.

Freeing the confederate slaves was prudent since it gave those people reason to understand the Union would give them freedom and fight against their confederate masters.

Not freeing the non-confederate slaves was also prudent since it prevented their masters from supporting the confederation and kept cohesion in what remained of the Union.

In war you worry about winning the war first. not grand moral gestures.

Posted by: nine coconuts at March 03, 2010 07:24 AM (DHNp4)

696 A YouTube video with a hooker. Happy??
LOL, yes. What's funny is that she is absolutely correct. I really don't have a problem with hookers and maryjane. They both should be legalized.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 07:30 AM (QrA9E)

697 How can you insult Belgium?

Posted by: Ford Prefect from Betelguise at March 03, 2010 07:35 AM (+SZAJ)

698 The big news of today will be the continuing saga of Obama healthscam. Yes, there were 39 Dems who voted no but, they had been greenlighted by Nanny Nan when she counted noses and found she had a margin of 2.
The big difference is that was the more liberal House Bill. Will they settle for the Senate bill which was manufactured from a military appropriations bill with a promise that a new bill will come along later that will use reconcilation?
If I was a Republican in the Senatethat "Senate Bill" would already be tied up in a federal lawsuit. On the surface it appears to me what they did there was a flagrant violation of the Constitution and the Senate rules.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 07:36 AM (QrA9E)

699 ..."grand moral gestures".....the North never had to worry about that.

Posted by: Case at March 03, 2010 07:37 AM (0K+Kw)

700 Wow! Amazing footage of SanFran! That was before the ratification of the 16th Amendment. Do they seem to step more lightly?
Many people say that that era was the last gasp of the free United States and the golden era. We were still largely a capitalist country then and the overwhelming majority of the country was free to do what they wanted without government interference.
Sure there was great corruption but even with the corruption in government it still functioned to provide what the Constitution and local law wanted. The government had not yet exploded its control into everything the people did. William Jennings Bryan's ideasand the progressive (communist) movement were still in their infantcy and their laws weredown the road a piece.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 07:43 AM (QrA9E)

701 And strangely, I'm not the least disturbed that the North won.
You should be because the all powerful government you have today is a direct result.
The individual States were forced back together in union under the bayonet but the United States and the Constitution of 1787 died in 1861.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 07:47 AM (QrA9E)

702

How' was Fox Friends this morning, Vic?

I know you watched it at breakfast.

Posted by: Tinian at March 03, 2010 07:57 AM (7+pP9)

703 I know you watched it at breakfast.
Aha, but I didn't watch it this morning. I have a new W.E.B. Griffin book that my MIL loaned me and I have been stuck in that.
I haven't turned on the TV at all today and probably will not until 17:00 when Beck comes on.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 08:10 AM (QrA9E)

704 Very late to the thread, but thanks for the SF video. Almost had a surreal quality with the music.

Posted by: RM at March 03, 2010 08:43 AM (1kwr2)

705 Oh man, we need to have an Unreconstructed Morons gathering.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 08:45 AM (1fanL)

706 And strangely, I'm not the least disturbed that the
North won.

Posted by: Iskandar at March 03, 2010 07:08 AM (/o58C)
--------------------------------
I just like tweaking people who are from outside the South, because most
of them are very smug and self-satisfied with the self-righteous
explanation that the South was pure evil and the North was pure good.
And may I just add, most have never even been exposed to any other point of view. It's almost like global warming.

Posted by: FUBAR at March 03, 2010 08:49 AM (1fanL)

707 Oh man, we need to have an Unreconstructed Morons gathering.Here ya go

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 09:02 AM (QrA9E)

708 "After being admonished by an ethics panel for accepting
corporate-sponsored trips to the Caribbean, Rep. Charlie Rangel, D-N.Y.,
said Wednesday that he will take a leave of absence from his
chairmanship of the powerful House Ways and Means Committee"
He made the announcement on Capitol hill this morning. He would answer no questions. CNBC carried it right away stressing that this is "temporary". Link from drudge.

Posted by: curious at March 03, 2010 09:21 AM (p302b)

709 Maybe someone above answered this already but here goes: the tall building in the SF video is the Ferry Building, which stands at the foot of Market St and has been there since 1898. At the time fo the video, it was the major point of embarcation from the ferries to Oakland. Today, it is the major dropping off point for the ferries from Marin County to the north.
I am amazed at this video. My office is on Market St and I walk there every day. It looks pretty much as it does in the video, although there a lot more people than what we see. We don't, however, see any horses.

Posted by: Scott at March 03, 2010 09:41 AM (dmMXE)

710 I am amazed at this video. My office is on Market St and I walk there every day. It looks pretty much as it does in the video
I haven't been there in personsince 1985, but it looked to me like the street was wider in 1905 than it is now. Checking google maps it does look narrower but who can tell from videos?

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 09:52 AM (QrA9E)

711 Where are the bums pissing in the street? That's one difference between then and now.

Posted by: Quilly Mammoth at March 03, 2010 10:02 AM (IaINe)

712 Where are the bums pissing in the street? That's one difference between then and now.
They had horses pissing and shitting in the street then. Now people do it.

Posted by: Vic at March 03, 2010 10:26 AM (QrA9E)

713 The Lincoln Do-over.
1. Federal Government (FG) buys all slaves from slave owners at a FMV.
2. FG compensates all former slaves at a typical 19th-c. rate.
3. FG ships all foreign-born former slaves back home.
4. FG offers transportation to U.S.-born former slaves, in addition to low- or no-cost loans for the purpose of technology transfer, e.g., firearms to protect newly repatriated Africans from robbers and large animal predators; or agricultural implements; or machinery for processing agricultural produce. Transportation is not mandatory for U.S.-born former slaves.
Total estimated cost? A fraction of the expense of rebuilding Atlanta.

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