Ann Althouse Is Dumb

At least about Sarah Palin.

Althouse argues that Sarah Palin's "passivity" and reluctance to stand up for herself vis a vis the McCain campaign's determination that she should start her interviews with Katie Couric and the like proves she's kinda dumb.

She seems to be making some feminist point about women being just as capable of men and therefore, her thinking goes, needing to act in that fashion, and not whine later that their opinions were overlooked.

Why didn't you have a say [about what media you were interviewed by]? There's that "really" hedging: You didn't really have a say. You're pleading passivity and impotence but you want us to think you have what it takes to be President of the United States?

As a general proposition about women's need to assert themselves, maybe she has a point, but here, I think her Sisters Gotta Do It For Themselves analysis overlooks a major point: Sarah Palin did not act as a subordinate to John McCain due to her sex, or her gender's desire to avoid conflict, or anything at all like that.

She acted as a subordinate to John McCain because she really was as subordinate to John McCain. Althouse's analysis seems to easily gloss over the fact that John McCain really was the boss here, and Sarah Palin really was the underling.

I don't know if Althouse, being a tenured (I assume) professor, really has a "boss" anymore, or if her status means that she's essentially the Boss of Herself. So perhaps she has forgotten: Whether you are male or female, and whether your boss is male or female, the boss gets his way.

The underling may offer suggestions. The underling may protest. But at the end of the day, the boss gets his way.

So I don't view this as some kind of "Sarah Palin is too weak to stand up for herself" thing. I view it instead as "Sarah Palin joined a team, with the express (and historically well-founded) understanding that all choices about the campaign are ultimately made by the actual captain of the team -- the presidential candidate -- and conducted herself accordingly, despite the fact that she thought the boss was erring badly."

I just don't understand how that is so easily blown-off as immaterial.

So, Sarah Palin acted as if she were not John McCain's equal? Pssst: Keep it low, but she wasn't John McCain's equal.

If Ann Althouse did have a boss capable of firing her, I can assure her that the boss would get his or her way, male or female, and she, as an underling, would not get her way, and Althouse's sex has little to do with that. And in the end, every one of Althouse's suggestions might be ignored, and that would have nothing to do with Althouse's sex, or intelligence, or willingness to stand up for herself. It would have everything to do with the basic concept of the boss gets first and last say.

What am I missing? Is this some minor technicality easily elided?

She may quibble that in this case, Palin was not a clear subordinate in the sense she could be fired. She could be fired, of course, but admittedly, firing Sarah Palin would have doomed John McCain more than he was already doomed. So that would have been an unappealing option. Palin did have some leverage here, then, more than most subordinates. (But every subordinate has that leverage, too: Your boss obviously wants to keep you on, which is why you're still employed in the first place, so firing a valuable employee is never a cost-free decision.)

But even if she had some leverage, that doesn't mean she should exercise it willy-nilly. She came into the situation as a subordinate and even if she could, theoretically, start throwing her weight around and making demands -- even if she could, hypothetically, demand that the ticket be a true partnership -- what kind of a monster would do that?

This was John McCain's candidacy, to win, or to piss away, as he saw fit. He chose the latter, as we all know. I don't think it's necessary, in order to prove one is a strong woman capable of standing up for herself, to be a total dick.

Which is what Althouse seems to be arguing. That if Palin failed to act like a total dick and disrespect the clear, 230+ year understanding that the presidential candidate is the decision-maker as regards the campaign, and the vice presidential candidate is an adviser only (and often not even that-- I don't think Joe Biden had much say in the Obama campaign, but fortunately he truly was too stupid to realize he was being condescended to like a retarded child), then she's somehow unqualified for the job of President.

Different jobs have different job descriptions. It is the job of the vice presidential candidate to support the presidential candidate and defer to him. That is the job description; that is the job's responsibilities. I don't think the fact that she correctly served in one job proves that she's incapable of performing in a completely different job.

This also seems lose-lose for Palin, because she did, in fact, eventually go a bit rogue and assert herself. And in those situations, she's called out as not being a team player and sabotaging McCain's chances and acting as if she's the boss when she's not. (Note: Althouse isn't making this case, so there is no contradiction on her part.)

But in fact that's what McCain's people are claiming: That even Palin's minor deviations from the script given to her constituted disloyalty and a failure to act according to the captain's orders.

So what is the correct strategy here? Just pretend she's actually the boss and the presidential candidate and therefore entitled to make any campaign decisions she likes?

I don't get that. Althouse's argument seems to be rooted in some form of overcompensation where she's claiming that women should never act as subordinates even when they are, in fact, subordinates. And if women did behave in such a manner (thankfully, they do not), they would be bad employees and their bosses would be justified in purging their companies of these chronically insubordinate, incompetent female employees.

But that's the thing about Sarah Palin: The mere mention of her name is enough to make normally-sensible people begin babbling silliness.

Actually: This ties into one of the more destructive memes in feminist thought: That to assert oneself as a woman requires that that woman behave unreasonably.

I read this a lot on feminist sites. Crap like "In order to prove you are the equal of your husband, you can and should make him go without sex for up to an entire year, or more, if that's what your free-thinking independent-minded heart desires."

There is a lot of very unpleasant overcompensation among feminist thinkers, where it often suggested that "equality" means, somehow, utter dominance and total lack of any interest in compromise and give-and-take. That every compromise or gesture towards comity is somehow a betrayal of one's womanhood. That strict mercenary self-interest in all things is somehow elevated to a virtue, and any deviation from that, a sign of weakness.

Again: I don't understand why the feminist ideal should be acting like a total douchebag about everything.

Men don't see it as an ideal to be aspired to that we get our way on everything and show no interest whatsoever in compromise and balancing respective interests. Why does the feminist ideal often seem to suggest that is the goal?

Posted by: Ace at 03:38 PM



Comments

1 Or to put it in less words - Althouse voted for Obama. /end of story

Posted by: Mark at November 13, 2009 03:42 PM (Vvbjc)

2 let me try this out
me: take out the trash
female e4: screw that chief, find a male
me: (nsfw comment that would destroy career)

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 13, 2009 03:43 PM (kGWt3)

3 Althouse, just another phoney feminist.

Posted by: Dan at November 13, 2009 03:43 PM (KZraB)

4 But that's the thing about Sarah Palin: The mere mention of her name is
enough to make normally-sensible people begin babbling silliness.

That pretty much sums it up. Only I would add that the mention of her name effects liberals dumb asses much more. They go into fits.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2009 03:44 PM (CDUiN)

5 But that's the thing about Sarah Palin: The mere mention of her name is enough to make normally-sensible people begin babbling silliness.
ha, mention her name in the ont and see what happens: babbling morons

Posted by: navycopjoe at November 13, 2009 03:44 PM (kGWt3)

6 I'm sure Althouse would've made all the right moves if she were in Palin's place. And that was the issue behindher pedantic post wasn't it? An ugly covetous green eyed monster is ugly indeed!
Yes Ann, it's true, Palin is prettier and smarter than you.

Posted by: Mons Pubis at November 13, 2009 03:45 PM (o5vMm)

7
You left out the Queen Bee Syndrome. A lot of female conservopundits on the right will jump on her just because she didn't attend the right school, talk the right way, wear the right clothes or hold her champagne glass properly at the right party.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 03:45 PM (+FzLa)

8 5

The same as if you did not mention here name then, eh.

Posted by: somejoe at November 13, 2009 03:46 PM (SSWdi)

9 Very good Ace. I thought exactly the same when I was reading it.
This reads like a how a liberal woman would think who has a safe job they couldn't get fired from.

Posted by: Rocks at November 13, 2009 03:47 PM (Q1lie)

10 She voted for President Dreamy. I don't question her patriotism, I question her judgment.
Funny part is, every time she has a critical post on the Dreaminator, her commenters rip her a new asshole.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 03:47 PM (fstYb)

11 I tried to post thisat her site:
Hey Ann,
I think you're being harsh.Sarah admits not having a national name. She was on McCain's team, so her say was limited. McCain's campaign, McCain's rules. I mean, how weird would it have been if Biden had fought Obama's aides on whom to interview with? Biden works for Obama now, Obama's guys make the call.
She was right about going through Fox, but a campaign guy overruled her and even made it seem palatable that Couric would be civil.
And Couric was going through a really bad stretch--3rd in ratings, no crossover from her morning fans, criticized and studied relentlessly (as Charles Gibson had not been). Nicolle making that case to Palin made sense.
I think you don't like Palin, and that's fine. But this attack is a little much.

Posted by: lurker at November 13, 2009 03:47 PM (AqLUZ)

12 Remember that guy named Agnew? That veep pick that is supposed to bring home the base of the party just may turn out to be a pain in the arse.

Posted by: John Galt at November 13, 2009 03:47 PM (Ylv1H)

13 Don't know if Sarah Palin will run for President in 2012 or not, but I sure hope she stays active in politics just to drive the Libs batshit crazy.

Posted by: Rwethereyet at November 13, 2009 03:48 PM (/fcPf)

14 i don't see how any of this stuff hurts sarah in the long run, the old adage "there's no such thing as bad publicity" comes to mind. her book is going to be a HUGE bestseller, the tour will draw remarkable crowds and the talking heads will be dissecting every passage of her memoir for weeks with her giving all sorts of interviews (apparently she's going to be on rush: tue@1pm) beginning with oprah on monday. imo she's the ONLY republican that can take down obama in 2012.

Posted by: weewilly at November 13, 2009 03:48 PM (iBHcm)

15 I think the following scenario explains the facts more thoroughly: Sarah had never been on a national campaign so at first she did what she was told. She did this for a while, then noticed that the campaign staff was misusing her, so she tried to rectify that on her own. McCain screwed up by suspending his campaign, though, and no amount of Sarah could fix that.

Posted by: joncelli at November 13, 2009 03:49 PM (RD7QR)

16 I agree completely with ace's criticism of Althouse's...whatever that was, but I'm hoping the book is more memoir than tell-all. Tell-all books are unpleasant, no matter who writes them.

I don't believe that getting into a number of high-profile fights with the media, former McCain staffers, etc is the best route for Palin to take if she's thinking about higher office in the future. I just hope this book is more of a re-introduction to who she is and what she believes than a settling of past scores.

Posted by: Slublog at November 13, 2009 03:50 PM (qjKko)

17 You didn't need to write such a long analysis, Ace.

The article was just a piece of mind-boggling bullshit.

Posted by: fiatboomer at November 13, 2009 03:50 PM (0Wf6c)

18 From the excerpt over at Drudge, it seems Sarah was conned into the interview with Couric. McCain obviously didn't have her best interests in mind.
I'd be willing to be that Sarah started to see McCain's faults about three days after she'd committed to the VP post. She knew he couldn't win, and therefore she couldn't win, by waffling, going along to get along, and basically being submissive to everything the left wants, including kissing up to reporters who despise conservatives.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 13, 2009 03:50 PM (ZGhSv)

19 It's not that she served McCain's campaign in a subservient role, I think, Ace, it's a: that she's whining about it now, and that b: where she could have cast judgement ( Couric) she was a bit simple about that, naive, and too easily swayed by someone who is pushing Palin's interests as only a second priority.

You would not catch Lynn Cheney making these same mistakes, then or now.

Just saying.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 03:50 PM (CSrvi)

20 Man, it's Dumb Law Professor Day here at the HQ.

One of the reasons I'm still willing to give Palin a look as the nominee in '12 or anytime is because she had to deal with toeing the McCain Camp line on policy, style and message.

The gig was called Republican Nominee for Vice President. And in this case 'Vice" doesn't mean "Ace of Spades Lifestyle(tm) Compliant".

You know, it wasn't like Joey Biden was calling the shots over at Team Obama.


Posted by: DrewM. at November 13, 2009 03:50 PM (FCWQb)

21 Spot-on, Ace.

Ann's post was sort of snitty and not particularly thoughtful.

But, this is from a gal who voted for Obama on a feel-good whim and who now (how many months later?) clearly regrets it.

And you're right, she doesn't have a boss. She is tenured. And, frankly, even before someone is tenured, the normal workplace mindset does not apply in the faculty ranks. You are working to achieve reputation, but not trying to meet specific goals or achieve results upon which the rest of the organization depends (except for the most basic things like class hours taught). The tenure decision is a highly-political group-think decision. The dean, president, and trustees may technically be the ones making that decision, but it's your peers' opinions that matter most.

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 03:50 PM (sey23)

22 Althouse voted for Obama.

I had heard her name but didn't know a lot about her. A little research shows that she is a "federalist" and believes in the Constitution.

However, she was a Jesse Jackson supporter, a Bush supporter after 9-11, and an Obama supporter.

She supports the Constitution and yet she believes Roe should be upheld.

I submit that she IS a liberal, does not believe in the Consituion as written, and since she supports abortion there is no way she could ever support anything Palin ever said or did.

So I withdraw the "normally sensible". She is a split personality. She says one thing and does another.

Posted by: Vic at November 13, 2009 03:51 PM (CDUiN)

23 AA is an AA hire during the era when the women's movement was in full fury. I stopped reading her blog years ago. What reason did she give (other than his hipness) did she give for voting for Obama?

Posted by: erp at November 13, 2009 03:52 PM (BDRHK)

24 Althouse actually does try to have it both ways, Ace. She explicitly dings Palin for 'sneaking around' to get numbers for Limbaugh, et al., when McCain's staff wouldn't get her any decent exposure. So her argument is: (1) Palin shouldn't have believed McCain's staff done the Couric interview they set up, but (2) trying to make her own decisions about media interviews was deceitful and stupid.

Posted by: brad at November 13, 2009 03:52 PM (zTZGo)

25
I always found Althouse to be boring and tedious. She pulls things out thin air and argues about them.

Posted by: Tweet Calrissian at November 13, 2009 03:53 PM (jVldi)

26 I'll read this Althouse article right after I read the one titled "Ann Althouse is Dumb". You know, the one were she describes what a tool she was for voting for Barack ODreamy.

Posted by: Former Tenant at November 13, 2009 03:54 PM (tpzGL)

27 Is this is the same Ann Althouse that supported Jessie Jackson in 1988?
You betcha!
Who the hell deemed this idiot 'moderately conservative' and a voice for anyone but herself? I no more care what she thinks that I do what Noam Chomsky thinks.

Posted by: Jim in San Diego at November 13, 2009 03:54 PM (H7Rlw)

28 >> This ties into one of the more destructive memes in feminist thought:
That to assert oneself as a woman requires that that woman behave unreasonably.

Well behaved women rarely make history!

*yawn*

Posted by: dan-O at November 13, 2009 03:54 PM (+9Rf8)

29
oops bad link. Here it is.

Posted by: dan-O at November 13, 2009 03:54 PM (+9Rf8)

30 With Palin, it's simple. She believes in the same things as Conservatives:

God
Guns
American Oil
Strong Defense
No Illegal Immigration
Less Government
Less Taxes
Less Abortion

Who else in the running out there stands for all 8 of these pillars? Sure, Palin has a few rough spots, but you forget that we suffer through gaffe-a-day slow Joe Biden and that raging jackass in the White House has a laundry list of problems with his Presidency that Sarah Palin NEVER EVER would have gotten us into.
Finally, remember, Palin put her money where her mouth was and came out very quickly for Hoffman, when very few would.

I'll buy her book and support her financially.

Posted by: Def Leppard at November 13, 2009 03:55 PM (hIOnV)

31 I wasn't impressed with the passage of Palin's book that's been released...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 13, 2009 03:55 PM (oivbi)

32 I often get the same vibe I get from Althouse that I get from Megan McArdle: a woman who can't quite be dishonest enough to buy the liberal line entirely...but falls for it anyway. It drives me nuts because the two ladies say so much that is wise.

I blame people like Althouse and McArdle for shackling us to the Presidential disaster we are now in the middle of -- they knew his background and record, and yet still managed to convince themselves that he would govern as a moderate anyway.* I don't blame the rank-and-file leftists because seriously, it's not like there was ever any question who they'd vote for. No, it's the so-called "centrists" and "moderates" like Althouse that handed the reins of the country to this leftist idiot.

*Plus he was a dreamy black guy, and I'm cynical enough to believe that there's still a substantial amount of white guilt at play, whether Althouse or McArdle will admit it or not.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 03:55 PM (4Pleu)

33 >>>t's not that she served McCain's campaign in a subservient role, I think, Ace, it's a: that she's whining about it now, and that b: where she could have cast judgement ( Couric) she was a bit simple about that, naive, and too easily swayed by someone who is pushing Palin's interests as only a second priority.

But she was in a subordinate role, and she shouldn't be criticized for behaving accordingly.

And what is this about her "whining" about it now? Every tell-all book in DC has the subtitle, as the joke goes, "If Only They Had Listened to Me."

Why is Sarah Palin singled out for criticism here?

By the way, if Liz Cheney is going to NOT act as a subordinate were she chosen as Veep pick, then guess what: She doesn't have what it takes to be Veep and no one should pick her.

The presidential candidate has the right to expect his Veep to support him, and not vice-versa.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 03:55 PM (jlvw3)

34
Posted by: brad at November 13, 2009 03:52 PM (zTZGo)
Exactly. The stupidity Althouse showed in the article was enough to shift planetary orbits.Why is anyone taking her seriously?

Posted by: fiatboomer at November 13, 2009 03:55 PM (0Wf6c)

35 Don't know if Sarah Palin will run for President in 2012 or not, but I sure hope she stays active in politics just to drive the Libs batshit crazy.
Unfortunatley (but ok to) I think that shewill ultimatley be just another foil to the libs. Her celebrity may cause a backlash or Palin Fatigue Syndrome among the ever-waffeling independents squishes that seem to be at the helmof the last few election cycles.

Posted by: dananjcon at November 13, 2009 03:56 PM (pr+up)

36
Oh it's being blocked. Here it is. Although probably nobody cares.

Posted by: dan-O at November 13, 2009 03:56 PM (+9Rf8)

37 McCains people were out to sabotage her when they realized they were going to lose! They would not even let her call conservative talk radio! She had to sneak around and have a friend find her the phone numbers to Rush, Sean, Glenn, Mark, etc! Then she called them and talked to them on their own. She just called in out of the blue like a regular caller to Glenn Beck and he couldnt believe it since he was trying to book her through the campaign for weeks!

Posted by: Dan at November 13, 2009 03:57 PM (KZraB)

38 McCain screwed up by suspending his campaign, though, and no amount of Sarah could fix that.

See, I don't think suspending the campaign was the screwup. It was not bashing Nobama over the head with it.
When McCain suspended and Nobama kept campaigning, I thought it was perfect. Finally, I thought. McCain will use this to point out that Nobama is only concerned with himself and winning and not the best interests of the country.
I figured it would show people just how narcissitic and really immature and uncaring Nobama is. He didn't even get involved in the bailout which he claimed we needed. All Nobama cared about was getting elected, not the country.
But McCain let him slip by on it. Dumbass.

Posted by: lurker at November 13, 2009 03:57 PM (AqLUZ)

39 I've never seen a jealous law professor write such a long screed.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 03:57 PM (Xm1aB)

40 "You would not catch Lynn Cheney making these same mistakes, then or now. "
Um unlike Palin, Cheney has lived her life in the shark tank. If Palin made rookie mistakes at the time it would make sense because she WAS a rookie and having to learn from a doddering old fool and his backstabbing democrat staff.
I bet Palin wouldn't make those mistakes now.

Posted by: Mons Pubis at November 13, 2009 03:58 PM (o5vMm)

41 Given Ann Althouse's highly touted Harvard Law intellectual masterpiece displaying compete infantile impotence with regard to his job performance one would easily imagine the law professor refraining from initating over-exposed Tina Fey's 'sarah-is-dumb' act and concentrate on what President Obama is doing to the United States Constitution.


Posted by: syn at November 13, 2009 03:58 PM (ZjEOd)

42 Oh...did I mention Althouse is a dirty libtard pirate whore?

Posted by: dananjcon at November 13, 2009 03:58 PM (pr+up)

43 Give Althouse a break, ace. Women are new to this whole political and public space social thing. Maybe she thinks than men just throw their weight around and settle disagreements by seeing who can yell the loudest.

Little known fact:

Even before feminism was invented men delineated a very complex social and political strata within politics and the workforce. A hierarchy, if you will, wherein people serve a role determined for them by those in charge of the project.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 13, 2009 03:58 PM (i3PJU)

44
/computer noises
/ticker tape noises
ding!

If you combine the best and various parts of Camille Paglia and Ann Althouse you get a 6; barely hittable; reasonably intelligent; annoying; and ultra-hypocritical woman.

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 03:58 PM (jVldi)

45 I love her blog, and thinks she's quite brilliant. But hate this post of hers. Dismaying.

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 03:58 PM (cnJcX)

46 What am I missing?

That someone like Althouse who fell hook, line, and sinker for "Hope" and "Change" has no fucking business calling someone else dumb.

Which is worse: Palin trusting an experienced political operative to give her advice consistent with the goal of a winning campaign ... or Althouse trusting Obama with her vote for president?

Glass houses, anyone?

Posted by: thirteen28 at November 13, 2009 03:58 PM (s8N54)

47 Everytime I read something about how dumb or inexperienced Palin is, I realize all that is written applies to Owe-bama.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 03:59 PM (B5cM9)

48 The article was just a piece of mind-boggling bullshit.

Yup. Althouse didn't present any evidence that Palin is dumb. Althouse claims Palin is passive, meek, unballsy, naive, unsophisticated, credulous, Pollyannaish, etc., etc., but none of that adds to dumb.

Althouse, on the other hand, voted for Obama. Can anyone think of a more definitive act of stupidity?

Posted by: Hypogean at November 13, 2009 04:00 PM (cVJwC)

49 In order to prove you are the equal of your husband, you can and
should make him go without sex for up to an entire year, or more, if
that's what your free-thinking independent-minded heart desires.
Just don't act shocked when he divorces your frigid, uptight ass and takes up with someone else who doesn't use sex as a bartering tool. Don't bluff if you're not willing to lose the hand. Feminism of this sick modern stripe has killed more marriages than anything else in the years since 1965 or so. And it sure hasn't made women any happier or healthier, as far as I can tell. It's mostly produced a generation of bitter, bitchy women who view every interaction as an opportunity for gender-war. No thanks.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:00 PM (4Pleu)

50 43
Give Althouse a break, ace. Women are new to this whole political and public space social thing.

"Do you make an effort to be obnoxious, or is it a gift?"

Posted by: Lilly Raines at November 13, 2009 04:02 PM (sey23)

51 >>>Why is anyone taking her seriously?


Because she is, generally, a serious person, and furthermore usually an ally, especially in the real war, the war against stupidity.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:02 PM (jlvw3)

52 It's a gift, Lilly. A gift of humor and satire. From me to you.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 13, 2009 04:03 PM (i3PJU)

53 MSNBC used fake photos of her today to try and hurt her.

Posted by: Dan at November 13, 2009 04:03 PM (KZraB)

54 If Palin made rookie mistakes at the time it would make sense because she WAS a rookie

It goes well beyond "rookie" to think that Couric and Gibson wanted to do anything but destroy her. That was shockingly naive. I agree with #31, it gives me pause that it was so easy to get her to fall for "Katie really likes you!"

Posted by: bgates at November 13, 2009 04:04 PM (AKY4c)

55 ace, how can you say such a thing?

Posted by: Allah's Pant Crease at November 13, 2009 04:04 PM (+sBB4)

56
Althouse didn't present any evidence that Palin is dumb.

So is it fair to say it was a "Hey Look At Me, I'm Smarter Than Sarah Palin (who is a lot prettier than me)" piece?

Aren't these types of 'mindthoughts' becoming a dime-a-dozen, lately?

Alright, alright, ladies. We get it. You're smarter than that Sarah Palin. And if you had her looks, you'd be unstoppable, 'cuz you'd have it all: beauty and brains. Not like that Sarah Palin who is just a pretty face and a dummy.


Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 04:05 PM (jVldi)

57 Pff...what Ace wrote with only one add one: Althouse's arguments had holes bigger than Meg McCain's....oh too much.

I voted for Palin once, and I'll do it again, damnit.

Posted by: TexMex at November 13, 2009 04:05 PM (rWkts)

58 Because she is, generally, a serious person, and furthermore usually an
ally, especially in the real war, the war against stupidity.

The something about Palin just drives some normally sane people batshit crazy and people who already batshit crazy even crazier. She also drives other people to heights of support.

As one of the few people who is more or less, "meh, whatever" about her, I think I'm in a fairly small minority.

Posted by: DrewM. at November 13, 2009 04:05 PM (FCWQb)

59 I always thought Althouse was a stupid vapid whore, glad to see you all agree with me.

Posted by: Rickshaw Jack at November 13, 2009 04:07 PM (tahIV)

60 I don't understand why the feminist ideal should be acting like a total douchebag about everything.

Douchebag. Never heard of it.

Posted by: Charlie Gibson at November 13, 2009 04:07 PM (qUhMv)

61 Ace, I think you misread Althouse.

eg "But she was in a subordinate role, and she shouldn't be criticized for behaving accordingly. "
That's not what the criticism is, exactly, or at least it isn't MINE.

Behaving in a subordinate role does not require Palin (or any other candidate including a hypothetical LC) to be a sucker. Agreeing to an interview with Couric does not require her to believe that it was a good plan, or everthing she is told about Couric. She was not required to trust everything to be told to be in HER best interest, or even the campaigns; only to weight carefully and to act on McCain's wishes. She should serve the campaign, but she needn't be blinkered to reality in order to accomplish that.

And nothing requires her, in a tell-all, to tell THIS, and to tell it THIS WAY.

Painting herself as an outfoxed dupe of Wallace (or Couric ) is probably not the best self-promotion of her leadership skills.

Cheney might have gone into the interview PREPARED.

(And that hardly means she would not be willing to carry out her duty to fall on some sort of campaign sword for McCain.)


Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:07 PM (CSrvi)

62 Althouse voted for Jesse Jackson too?
Maybe she's related to the Kardashians?
Which reminds me: ObamaCare's approval numbers are going down faster than a Kardashian at an NAACP convention.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:08 PM (fstYb)

63 Men don't see it as an ideal to be aspired to that we get our way on
everything and show no interest whatsoever in compromise and balancing
respective interests.

Actually, I have met some men who do. They're usually from fundamentalist religious backgrounds. You know the kind where the man decides everything for the good of the family.

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 04:09 PM (sey23)

64 Breaking:Rudy Guiliani being interviewed on KSM trial in NYon Cavuto. "This was an act of war. Would we have tried to the Pearl Harbor bombers incivilian court?" Rudy is peevedand looks ready to puke.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 13, 2009 04:09 PM (LKkE8)

65 I've always wanted to have a sit-down with Althouse and McArdle (a real one, at a coffee shop, over a hot cup of joe and maybe a donut) and ask them honestly why in God's name they cast a vote for Obama if they consider themselves political moderates. Was it a rational choice or simply an emotional one? (Yes, yes, I know: accusing women of emotionalism is sexist. So be it.)

I have to confess that my opinion of them sank dramatically when they made their voting preferences clear; it was rather like finding out that they believed in Bigfoot or astrology. It didn't make them bad people, but it made their opinions suspect. I've never been able to read even a sympathetic essay by either lady in the months since with the same degree of attention. (This reflects badly on me, I suppose, but there it is.)

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:09 PM (4Pleu)

66 I don't understand why the feminist ideal should be acting like a total douchebag about everything.

The womyn who tout that as a feminist ideal are douchebags themselves. But if they insist that's ideal female behavior, they never have to look at their own selves critically, much less change--they can continue to demand that everyone else must change to accomodate them.

To be fair, it's not limited to feminists. *cough*sharia*cough*

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:10 PM (NtiET)

67 I don't get the Althouse genius either. Along with a few of Dr. Reynolds other faves, like McArdle, she is only likely to hit the target, never a bullseye.
Maybe I'm biased but I think it's a libertarian thing.

Posted by: gary gulrud at November 13, 2009 04:11 PM (nf+jy)

68 Ace, I think Althouse fairly digs at Palin for errors past and present. She's not busting on Palin for subservience to the object of electing McCain, but for complaining now about being tricked then.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:11 PM (CSrvi)

69 Painting herself as an outfoxed dupe of Wallace (or Couric ) is
probably not the best self-promotion of her leadership skills.

Pointing out that Couric edited out her more substantive comments after the interview was over when she didn't have any control over it is "painting herself as an outfoxed dupe"? No, sorry, pointing out Couric's dishonest editing is just that, pointing out her dishonesty.

Posted by: koopy at November 13, 2009 04:12 PM (XllG0)

70 Does this constitute sexism on Ann Althouse's part? Would she say this if the Veep were male, or the First Banana were female?

Ace's argument does not depend upon anything other than the subordinate/superior relationship. Unlike Ms. Althouse's argument, it is Ace who's completely indifferent to Mrs. Palin's sex.

Posted by: Steve Poling at November 13, 2009 04:13 PM (nBrFn)

71 Fox said earlier that the 9-11 families will protest every day against this insane trial President Retard is allowing.

I hope it's true, cause it'd be AWESOME.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 04:13 PM (B5cM9)

72 >>>Painting herself as an outfoxed dupe of Wallace (or Couric ) is probably not the best self-promotion of her leadership skills.

I don't read it that way at all. I read it as her deferring, reluctantly, to her boss. All this "dupe" and "outfoxed" stuff is your gloss on it, painting it in the worst possible terms.

I don't see why that's necessary. This is standard. The presidential candidate is owed deference; he is the man in the arena. The Vice President is there merely to support and to (maybe) carry one swing state.

I don't see why when we're talking about Sarah Palin all the rules suddenly change to the most vindictive, punishing rules possible -- and only for her and no one else.

Got news for you: Joe Biden did not contribute in any way to Obama's campaign.

And not just because he is borderline retarded. He is that, of course. But mostly because, guess what, Obama won the nomination and it was HIS party.


Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:13 PM (jlvw3)

73
Its ironic that most of the misogyny and "get back in the kitchen" crap comes from the same women on the right and on the left who consider themselves to be the arbiters and torchbearers of womens liberation.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 04:13 PM (+FzLa)

74 Again: I don't understand why the feminist ideal should be acting like a total douchebag about everything.

The knives of jealousy are honed on details.

Posted by: paranoid polly at November 13, 2009 04:13 PM (r7Vc3)

75 It's truly unfortunate that SarahCuda represents "the line" in politics. You can be smart, eloquent, and patriotic, but without the right pedigree, you just "don't have what it takes" to make it in Washington, whatever "it" is. IMHO, she is much more in line with our Founders' idea of who should really be in office than the career politicians we have now.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 13, 2009 04:14 PM (ZGhSv)

76 Was it a rational choice or simply an emotional one? (Yes, yes, I know: accusing women of emotionalism is sexist.


Not in that context--look at all the men who endorsed/voted for Obama out of emotion.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:14 PM (NtiET)

77 MOnty - "it was rather like finding out that they believed in Bigfoot or astrology"

Same here.

I shook my head at Althouse et al then. She has bonehead moments. She's also no love lost for Palin so I don't blame Ace or anyone for taking on her blind spots or biases.

But Palin did kind of screw the pooch there.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:14 PM (CSrvi)

78

Althouse is best read in the outhouse.

Posted by: bulwark at November 13, 2009 04:15 PM (jvrmc)

79 Hi, Anne!

Love the pink Prius!


Posted by: Katie Couric at November 13, 2009 04:15 PM (MFbfZ)

80 Allah's going to make something from this shit article QOTD at Hot Air. You heard it here first.

Posted by: fiatboomer at November 13, 2009 04:15 PM (0Wf6c)

81 I don't think it's necessary, in order to prove one is a strong woman capable of standing up for herself, to be a total dick.

Neither do I, Ace. The problem is that most feminists DO think that you have to act like an overbearing asshole all the time in order to assert yourself and break through the barriers, yada, yada, yada. And they fervently believe that this is the way MEN act to get ahead, so they're emulating it. For a group of people that makes it so clear how much they hate men, for the life of me, I cant understand why they would want to act like their worst male nightmares.

My time in corporate America, including as a manager myself, showed me that the BEST women managers were always the ones that understood and played to their feminine strengths. The ones who tried to act like the assholes they think men are were the WORST kind of people to be around, both as a subordinate and as a superior.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:16 PM (MK6Kx)

82 If I want to be a 'good feminist' and make my husband go without sex for a whole year, does that mean I have to go without sex for that year also.
Also (cocks), I know it is widely believed and even true that feminists hate men, but it has always been my belief that feminists envy men. They want to be men, just with different bodies. They HATE women. They want us to not be the way (generalizing, of course) we are; our choices, desires etc...are all suspect, wrong and even dangerous. I like men the way they are (generalizing again) and most of all, I enjoy being a girl.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 04:16 PM (rSt95)

83 There is a lot of very unpleasant overcompensation among feminist thinkers, where it often suggested that "equality" means, somehow, utter dominance and total lack of any interest in compromise and give-and-take. That every compromise or gesture towards comity is somehow a betrayal of one's womanhood.
You could say the exact same thing about modern-day Liberalism and it's thinkers.

Posted by: BeckoningChasm at November 13, 2009 04:16 PM (eNxMU)

84 >>>Does this constitute sexism on Ann Althouse's part? Would she say this if the Veep were male, or the First Banana were female?

I was going to add that thought, in the normal employer-employee relationship. Methinks Althouse might have a different read on it were it the woman in charge, and the man -- acting according to his masculinist ideal -- behaving in a grossly insubordinate fashion.

I don't think in that situation Althouse would urge the man to continue undermining and defying his boss. In that case, I think she would have a pretty good appreciation of the usual dynamic that the boss is in charge.

I really do not think it is a good idea for feminists to champion gross insubordination as an ideal to aspire to (so long as the ones doing the insubordinating are female).


Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:16 PM (jlvw3)

85 The only way BHO wins another term is if Palin is on the GOP ticket in 2012. If she is, BHO will be given another term. It's doesn't matter what the unemployment number is or anything. Palin's negative polling numbers are far too high to get elected.

Posted by: Onlooker at November 13, 2009 04:16 PM (M3hG/)

86 I'm curious why people think Palin should not have trusted the recommendations of McCain staffers charged with rolling out her media appearances. What are these staffers for if not for making these judgment calls?

There's simply no way that the Couric interview would have gone well. If the gal who insisted to Palin that she had a special relationship with or understanding of Couric's motivations and leanings honestly believed Couric was a friendly interviewer, do you think that this same staffer warned Palin to be prepared for gotcha' questions and choppy editing?

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 04:16 PM (sey23)

87 For me, it wasn't so much that Palin did as she was told, as any subordinate really would. It was that she bought into the sob story Wallace told. Palin admits to feeling bad for Couric because her ratings sucked.

And I'm sorry, but I wouldn't take an interview that would potentially destroy my political future because a McCain adviser thought I should. I would've taken it to the higher-ups, including McCain himself.

What would he have done? Fired her? He would've been done right then and there. Game over. The campaign more than likely would've relented and the interview would've gone to another anchor.

She bought into a sob story a former CBS employee told about Couric. She then accepted the interview. Bottom line.

Posted by: Benson at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (qzcNU)

88 SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:11 PM (CSrvi)

I kind of agree with this. We don't know how much control Palin had during the campaign, if any at all. If she wasn't free to be herself from day one (and she knew that), why would she sign on? If you're gonna be VP, you'd expect to have at least a little bit of say in who is going to interview you and what not.

The part about this excerpt that was most interesting (to me) was that Palin wanted to go on Rush, Laura, etal early on in the campaign. This is what a lot of conservatives were begging McCain to do - get her feet wet with friendly interviews and go out from there. She wasn't a national figure and no idea how bad the national media could be. Instead, they fed her to the wolves with Gibson and Couric - they should have expected it was going to be a hit job.

The excerpt at Drudge really speaks a lot about how ashamed of Palin they were - by hiding her from the media, even prior to the Couric debacle. That says everything you need to know about McCain, I think.

Posted by: lorien1973 at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (IhQuA)

89 I've worked with women who feel that in order to succeed in the workplace they have to behave stronger/meaner/more agressive than any male in the office, and they absolute bitches to deal with. When you are on a team, there is always a leader and the rest of the team. The leader leads, the team follows, and any teammate who doesn't like the leader's direction can go away. Palin was in no position to dictate terms to her boss. This is pretty fundamental.

Posted by: ken at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (w6Cbj)

90 Althouse has been generally supportive of Palin in the past, such as on the death panels issues. But I think the criticism of Palin in her recent post is off base, for the reasons outlined above.

Posted by: Mark V Wilson at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (fN2UA)

91 Althouse needs it in the ass

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (LLOGQ)

92 Ace "The presidential candidate is owed deference; he is the man in the arena. " I keep saying that's not my argument, and I don't think it's Althouses either.

I don't think Palin should have acted against advice or goals of McCain's campaign. I think she should have been less gullible, and less willing to blame others for that gullibility now.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (CSrvi)

93 Every time a see/meet a new woman, my first thought is "Would I hit it?"
Does that make me sexist?

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (fstYb)

94 Althouse is usually a pretty good read. She really does seem to be a moderate, so when she shifts our way, more power to her. Don't see the benefit in running her down personally.

That said, as brad pointed out earlier, she really is trying to have it both ways. Palin should have expected enemies within her own circle and tried to fight them lest she show that she can't handle the real bad guys on the world stage (the first part of Althouse's piece). And Palin should have trusted them and accepted control because apparently they were right about her not being ready. It's a "damned if you do, damned if you don't" indictment, and it's an unfair analysis by Althouse.

Posted by: slarrow at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (ktOPW)

95 I think a lot of folks will use douchebaggery with reason because reason is so much harder to fake. Sort of like people who can't manage critical thinking will use a big vocabulary as cover since all a big vocabulary needs is a good memory.

Posted by: Cautiously Pessimistic at November 13, 2009 04:18 PM (30xKW)

96 Althouse may be dumb, but she's at least not terminally stupid. She has expressed buyer's remorse over her vote for Obama (and not a Leftists remorse).

Posted by: MDr at November 13, 2009 04:19 PM (ucq49)

97 Althouse: instapundit-lite. Obamba voter. What else needs to be said?


Posted by: Charles Johnson at November 13, 2009 04:19 PM (dP6Ky)

98 I really do like Althouse most of the time. She's bright (certainly more so than this moron), and pretty incisive. That said, she lost me when she broke for Obama last year.

Posted by: Eric at November 13, 2009 04:19 PM (GaXpK)

99 Because she is, generally, a serious person, and furthermore usually an
ally, especially in the real war, the war against stupidity.

I think this is spot on. Althouse is no dummy. It's true she decided to vote for Zero, but a lot of that was because she didn't think much of McCain. I don't think much of McCain either.

If I have a complaint about her blog it's that she tends to goose her traffic by throwing chum in the water when things are slow.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 13, 2009 04:19 PM (XIXhw)

100 Ann Althouse Is Dumb
Ann Althouse is a Professor
Professors are Dumb
Ergo, Ann Althouse is Dumb

Posted by: LGoPs at November 13, 2009 04:19 PM (v/rEn)

101 But Palin did kind of screw the pooch there.

True...but Palin certainly no worse than Biden. In most ways (including the all-important photogenic area) she was far superior. It says something that she was always being compared to Obama and not to Biden; Biden, as Ace says, was (and is) a complete non-entity. V.P. picks usually are -- they're on board mainly to bring a swing state or two aboard, not to influence policy. (Cheney broke the mold in that respect, but he did it after becoming VP, not during the campaign.)

There was quite a lot of pure green-eyed jealousy on the part of female commentators of both left and right. Many women seemed to loathe Palin on a purely limbic level that didn't even engage the higher brain at all.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:19 PM (4Pleu)

102 And by the way, an interview with Couric was never going to turn out well. Couric is and has been a committed liberal. I wouldn't care what sob story was told to me, I wouldn't feel sorry for her and just accept the interview.

Would you destroy your career because someone who advises your boss told you a sob story?

Posted by: Benson at November 13, 2009 04:20 PM (qzcNU)

103 >>>If I have a complaint about her blog it's that she tends to goose her traffic by throwing chum in the water when things are slow.

Yeah... I used to do that too. I should do that more, probably. I guess.

I did toss in the complaint about feminists-as-assholes, though, which is always a go-to bit of bloody oily chum.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:20 PM (jlvw3)

104 O/T: anyone else having trouble accessing the online listening feature of 77 WABC?

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 04:20 PM (p302b)

105 I think she's just telling her story, SarahW. I doubt if Sarah believes it makes her look good. She's just being her refreshingly honest self. She blamed people for her gullibility exactly where? Seems to me she admits it up front.

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 04:20 PM (cnJcX)

106 Koopy "Pointing out that Couric edited out her more substantive comments after the interview was over when she didn't have any control over it is "painting herself as an outfoxed dupe"? No, sorry, pointing out Couric's dishonest editing is just that, pointing out her dishonesty."

No that's not what I mean to argue.
I am talking about P. complaining about Wallace's characterization of Couric, and P. painting herself as being too easily sold on Couric "liking" her and not expecting what she got from Couric

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:21 PM (CSrvi)

107 Who screwed up worse,Dreamy or Palin?
Seems to me that it's very close, but the media covered up Dreamy's mistakes while incessantly hammering Palin's.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:21 PM (fstYb)

108 Althouse married one of the commentors on her blog, enough said. Palin was green and young and she was subordinate to McCain, of course she listened to the so-called "experts". A guy would have done the same thing. I would chalk this up to female jealousy a la Kathleen Parker.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 13, 2009 04:21 PM (9zzk+)

109 Banned!

Posted by: Charles Johnson dressed up like Ann Althouse cause it makes him feel 'pretty' at November 13, 2009 04:21 PM (MMC8r)

110 I know it is widely believed and even true that feminists hate men, but it has always been my belief that feminists envy men.

There might be something to that. Would explain why they hate women so much.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:22 PM (NtiET)

111 Its ironic that most of the misogyny and "get back
in the kitchen" crap comes from the same women on the right and on the
left who consider themselves to be the arbiters and torchbearers of
womens liberation.


Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 04:13 PM (+FzLa)

Doesn't surprise me in the least because I deal with it all the time. I left my career to raise my children and take care of my family. It was my choice and I did it because I firmly believe it's the best thing I can do for my family. You have no idea the scorn I have received from feminists on both sides of the aisle for that decision.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:22 PM (MK6Kx)

112 So, let me see if i understand....

Palin wants to go on Fox and Limbaugh etc., but McCain and his people say no, you're going on Couric and Gibson, but Palin is the one who's naive and gullible? Unbelievable.

Posted by: koopy at November 13, 2009 04:23 PM (XllG0)

113 When you're drawing the kind of sustained fire Palin does, to my primitive brain cells, this means you have found the fight, and you are a big enough threat that they believe they gotta put ordinance on you.

If they didn't believe this woman posed a credible existential threat to their cozy liberalesque mass delusion, they wouldn't bother wasting the column inches on her.

How often do WE launch sustained serious attacks on loons like, for example, Alex Jones? Never, cuz he's so self-marginalizing he's not a threat.

Palin is getting the heat cuz she's poking at some sensitive areas the left has a hard time defending.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 04:23 PM (7+Eub)

114 >>>(Cheney broke the mold in that respect, but he did it after becoming VP, not during the campaign.)

I think Cheney did it BEFORE that, too, but because he was Cheney, and he was always among the most trusted of Bush family advisors, except maybe James Baker, and Baker was daddy's guy, not W's.

Cheney is extremely atypical. Cheney had a lot of sway with W., but not because he had been joined to Cheney on a ticket, but because Cheney had bee advising him for years.

Remember, Cheney himself was the head of Bush's Veep selection committee. He chose himself. Or forwarded himself; Bush chose him.

That's a funny joke, there, but the reason that happened is that Cheney was already Bush's consiglierte. The Veep pick just made official what was already de facto.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:24 PM (jlvw3)

115 If you want some fun, swan over to some of the news outlets covering this story, read the comments and jump in.It's like banging on the bars of the monkey cage.

Posted by: vivi at November 13, 2009 04:24 PM (TQtLI)

116 I hate feminists. Period.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:24 PM (Xm1aB)

117 Many women are still hung up on the concept that women and men must always, under all circumstances, be treated as equally capable.

Well guess what? They are not. Men are good at some things, women are good at others. McCain was in the public eye much longer than Palin, so he had the advantage. Simple as that.

A a female, I get really annoyed with this stspid, out of control feminism.

P.S. Please stop reading feminist sites Ace. They will rot your brains.

Posted by: shibumi at November 13, 2009 04:25 PM (OKZrE)

118 Look at a picture of Althouse and a picture of Palin. That tells you alot right there. Bitches don't like other bitches that are hotter than they are. Especially one that has the entitlement mentality of a professor and is ugly and the other is a beauty queen who is known the world over but also has a great read on the issues regular folk care about.

Posted by: Ken Royall at November 13, 2009 04:25 PM (9zzk+)

119 "Palin wants to go on Fox and Limbaugh etc., but McCain and his people say no, you're going on Couric and Gibson, but Palin is the one who's naive and gullible? Unbelievable."

The McCain team was full of idiots, undoubtedly. But it's possible for both sides to be naive.

Would you just accept an interview, one that could make you Vice President and eventually President of the United States or destroy your political career, with a liberal journalist because a former colleague of said liberal journalist told you a sob story?

Posted by: Benson at November 13, 2009 04:25 PM (qzcNU)

120 I quit being a misogynist because bitches hate that shit.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 04:26 PM (IDaI3)

121 Many women seemed to loathe Palin on a purely limbic level that didn't even engage the higher brain at all.

Past tense, Monty?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:26 PM (NtiET)

122 You have no idea the scorn I have received from feminists on both sides of the aisle for that decision.

Conservatives made fun of you for caring for your children? Really?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:27 PM (NtiET)

123 Darcy at November 13, 2009 04:20 PM (cnJcX)

I think she points a whiny finger at Wallace. but as for
"She's just being her refreshingly honest self." That may well be true. Palin has many fine qualities. I would prefer a candidate who would have been better prepared for the sandbags interview.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:27 PM (CSrvi)

124 Sort of like people who can't manage critical thinking will use a big vocabulary as cover since all a big vocabulary needs is a good memory.
Your pontificationmanifests itself in a deep rooted sense of ambiguityandprotuberance.

Posted by: Jesse J. at November 13, 2009 04:27 PM (pr+up)

125 Hold it.

A woman cannot be both a conservative and a feminist.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:28 PM (Xm1aB)

126 Some of the personal attacks on Althouse are really over the line. She is generally a serious blogger, but she is a feminist and is blinded by that sometimes. Like here. On the other hand, not everything she writes is this stupid.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 13, 2009 04:28 PM (GGgoa)

127 (Whoops--I wasn't trying to be argumentative in 124. More incredulous. I get scorn from conservatives for not having children, and scorn from liberal for being disappointed about it. Heh.)

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:28 PM (NtiET)

128
Use to enjoy Althouse's photography. But she is a law prof, which almost by definition means she's a commie, so I quit clicking on her site. And I hate it when she subs at Instapundit.
As to McCain, he lost the day he was nominated. Palin kept him from losing by the biggest landslide in modern times.

Posted by: Kyle Canyon at November 13, 2009 04:28 PM (Oxen1)

129 Oh, stop it. Althouse is gorgeous.

And there are plenty of women who admit other women are smarter and hotter than they are.

Palin is smarter and hotter than me. There. Not hard to admit at all. Quit being so petty.

Ace is right. Althouse takes the stupid left to task often. This piece is not her usual fare.

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 04:29 PM (cnJcX)

130 You ever notice how women are always trying to catch the eye of the guy with the hot girlfriend / wife?
That type of tension is what is happening here. Sarah is getting all of the attention. Other women hate that. The hate it even more because they know - know that she deserves all the attention.
All of the attention. What does that leave them with.
None of the attention.
Hell, I understand why they hate her. But I don't sympathize with them. I'm too busy giving my attention to Sarah.

Posted by: Hussein the Plumber at November 13, 2009 04:29 PM (r1h5M)

131 71 Fox said earlier that the 9-11 families will protest every day against this insane trial President Retard is allowing.I hope it's true, cause it'd be AWESOME.
Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 04:13 PM (B5cM9)
I hope each of the families of the 3,000 war casualties of 9/11 brings at least three or four friends/family members apiece, daily.

Posted by: RushBabe at November 13, 2009 04:29 PM (LKkE8)

132 Mandy P:
So much for tolerance. Wasn't the whole point to have a choice?

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 04:29 PM (UJIeT)

133 >>>There was quite a lot of pure green-eyed jealousy on the part of female commentators of both left and right. Many women seemed to loathe Palin on a purely limbic level that didn't even engage the higher brain at all.

I try to avoid saying that too much because it's so obviously provocative and insulting but yeah, there is truth in this "limbic level" thing.

It is hard to get the people who hate palin to express why they hate palin.

Look at the female writer David Frum. This David Frum, she hates Sarah Palin. Her reasons for hating Palin? Palin is an "extremist" or something.

Well, I have half a mind to write this woman, David Frum, an open letter and ask her what "extremist" position Palin has championed.

As far as I can tell Palin is a perfectly mainstream Republican, of the conservative stripe. She's pro life, as 75% of the party is, she favors drill here, drill now, as 85% of the party does, etc.

I am unaware of a single "extremist" position EXCEPT for the "death panels" formulation, which 1, is not a position, it's a bit of rhetoric to describe a mainstream position, and 2, it's not extreme either.

So I have to assume this bosomy, soft-handed woman writer David Frum is just jealous of Palin.

I think there is a lot of good criticism to be had about Palin in other ways. She is, in fact, inexperienced, especially for the job of President. She has, in fact, acted more erratically (quitting her Governorship) than I am generally comfortable with in a president -- I want them boring and predictable, not exciting and unpredictable. Etc.

But this extremist crap?

Where does this busty whore David Frum get off?

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:29 PM (jlvw3)

134 In order to prove you are the equal of your husband, you can and
should make him go without sex for up to an entire year, or more, if
that's what your free-thinking independent-minded heart desires.

They must think the "Escorts" section of every phone book are simply for dinner-dates.

Posted by: DocJ at November 13, 2009 04:29 PM (CDJHc)

135
Doesn't surprise me in the least
because I deal with it all the time. I left my career to raise my
children and take care of my family. It was my choice and I did it
because I firmly believe it's the best thing I can do for my family.
You have no idea the scorn I have received from feminists on both sides
of the aisle for that decision.


Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:22 PM (MK6Kx)





Most of the long knives seem to come out from women pundits themselves on the right and on the left. I'm sorry, maybe I'm being a bit of a misogynist myself here, but I tend to take everything with a grain of salt concerning any scorn from a woman concerning Palin and look first at the envy and jealousy angle.

When was the last time Althouse had a book on the NYT's bestseller list or #1 on Amazon weeks before it even came out?

That would be never.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 04:29 PM (+FzLa)

136 I had a baked protuberance with sour cream and chives for lunch. Awesome.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 04:30 PM (7+Eub)

137 Koopy "people say no, you're going on Couric and Gibson, but Palin is the one who's naive and gullible? Unbelievable."

That's not my argument, though.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:30 PM (CSrvi)

138 As soon as I saw this I immediately knew the analysis was going to be flawed. Why, you ask? Because Ann Althouse didn't have the mental or analytical skills not to vote for our dear leader Barack Hussein Obama, mmmm mmmm mmmm.

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (WAAGu)

139 I read this snippet from her book to mean Palin thought Wallace's sob story re: Couric was totally bullshit ("What does this have to do with McCain's campaign?"), but opted to be a team player and go into the interview. Where Palin muffed it was she gave some incoherent responses, wasn't her usual assertive self and CBS edited the shit out of the interview. What the fuck was Palin supposed to do? "No, Wallace, I'm not doing this interview, and you can kiss my gorgeous ass." If only. Like Ace stated, Palin wasn't McCain's wingman, she was his subordinate, and it was only after push came to shove did she fight back. She had to sneak calls to conservative interviewers. Are you shitting me?! That's ridiculous.
The real crime here was McCain staffers treating Palin like a little girl and pulling rank over her. She was the fucking VP candidate, a grown ass woman and executive of a State. No way should McCain have allowed her to be treated like this. Fuck that old bastard. "Stand and fight with me, my friends!" God damn it, I'm getting madder just typing this. I hope Palin raises holy hell with this book, gets out her story and then when she starts stumping for candidates in 2010 if anybody brings up 2008 she can say,"Wrote it, read it, and won't comment more on it. Now watch me as I cut these liberal bitches like moose meat."

I voted for her once, and damnit I'll do it again.

Posted by: TexMex at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (rWkts)

140 Look at the female writer David Frum. This David Frum, she hates Sarah
Palin. Her reasons for hating Palin? Palin is an "extremist" or
something.



Hah !

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (+FzLa)

141 I think Cheney did it BEFORE that, too, but because he was Cheney, and
he was always among the most trusted of Bush family advisors, except
maybe James Baker, and Baker was daddy's guy, not W's.

Bear in mind that Cheney was an eminence grise in Washington for a long time before W. even made the scene there. He was SecDef during Bush Senior's term, and before that was a Representative for Wyoming.* And before that, he filled various positions in Washington, including being Donald Rumsfeld's #2 back in the 1970's.

Cheney knew everyone and participated in everything in D.C. from about 1972 onwards. It surprised me that Bush the Younger headed the ticket in 2000, because I honestly thought Cheney made a better case for heading the ticket. But then Cheney has never been much of an attention-seeker; he prefers to act behind the scenes. (Which is partly what fostered his "Prince of Darkness" persona, I guess.)

*Disclaimer: I myself am a Wyoming homeboy, and my family knew the Cheney family slightly. I have a certificate signed by the Dark Lord himself for participating in the Wyoming Boy's State Convention in Douglas, WY in 1985.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (4Pleu)

142 Perhaps they were fiscally conservative feminists.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (rSt95)

143 And Ford's Chief of Staff, too.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (jlvw3)

144 SarahW: It may be that because I've read a lot about Wallace since the election that I am not very sympathetic to her. Lots of insider tidbits seemed to point to her as majorly sabotaging Sarah behind the scenes. There is probably more about this in the book. I hope so, because I like people like that being exposed.



Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (cnJcX)

145 Thanks for the post, I wanted to similarly state the same to Althouse in her comments section but didn't feel like signing up. Of course Palin had to follow the campaign "orders", even when the McCain campaign was being dumb. How hard is that to understand? Stupid, stupid post by Althouse.

Posted by: Barack Obama at November 13, 2009 04:32 PM (DIYmd)

146 A woman cannot be both a conservative and a feminist.

Why not?

Posted by: Susan B Anthony at November 13, 2009 04:32 PM (NtiET)

147 Oh, man, she Sullivaned you. How disappointing.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 13, 2009 04:32 PM (XIXhw)

148 Would you just accept an interview, one that could make you Vice
President and eventually President of the United States or destroy your
political career, with a liberal journalist because a former colleague
of said liberal journalist told you a sob story?

If that former colleague was speaking for my boss, as is the case here, yeah, i would.

Posted by: koopy at November 13, 2009 04:33 PM (XllG0)

149 >>that she's whining about it now
That seems to be the standard lefty/feminist criticism about her. Palin is "whining" to the press about her treatment by the McCain campain. She "whined" about David Letterman telling rape jokes about her 14 year old daughter. Feminists think Palin is a whiner. They are so wrong. I guess everyone who writes a book is a whiner now, huh?

Posted by: Adrienne at November 13, 2009 04:33 PM (F1JEL)

150 I once said that parents need to have their daughters be involved in more team and leader-follower activities: team sports, girl scouts, etc. The idea that Palin should have overruled McCain supports that idea. Too many women don't understand leader-follower relationships, don't get that they aren't demeaning in the least and don't realize that the set up gets the job done more efficiently than asserting one's "womanhood" every five seconds.

Being in the military helped me greatly in this respect, but I saw plenty of women who didn't catch on as quickly as I did get slapped down and kicked out, whining about their rights on the way out the door.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 13, 2009 04:33 PM (AKOkS)

151 I think my number one criticism of Palin, whom I actually like a good deal, is a fools-rush-in quality to her confidence that puts her in hard spots from time to time. Other's may like her sailing into things without overthinking them, but I've always thought it was her achilles heel. That's one reason Althouse's criticism (as I read it) resonates.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:33 PM (CSrvi)

152 So much for tolerance. Wasn't the whole point to have a choice?

Only if you choose the way they want you to live.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 04:33 PM (GZnia)

153
Every time a see/meet a new woman, my first thought is "Would I hit it?"

Does that make me sexist?

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:17 PM (fstYb)

No, that makes you a heterosexual man.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:33 PM (MK6Kx)

154 Here we have Sarah Palin, a conservative woman who has done NOTHING to hurt this country. In fact, I can go on and on as to how she has HELPED the country. Now, if we do not defend her to the last man then we are phony conservatives who do not deserve to govern or have a majority.
You dont have to vote for her. You can like any canidate more then her you like. But if you don't defend her, then your as phony as Obama, Pelosi, and Reid, and the LIARS in the MSM.
The NEO MARXISTS are counting on us to ditch Palin since we think it is too much work to defend her. That is why they havetargetted her, not Romney or Huckabee.Well, if you wanna hand power to the Neo Marxists, be my guest.
Me, I will fight to the last man and if it means it is me and Palin in the Alamo alone, then that is fine with me.
I will sleep well knowing I did it right.

Posted by: Dan at November 13, 2009 04:33 PM (KZraB)

155 David "Cheetara" Shrum is a bigger girl than my sister, and she's a girl.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:34 PM (4Pleu)

156 I don't understand why the feminist ideal should be acting like a total douchebag about everything.


The thing that I find greatly amusing about modern feminism is that after all the caterwauling, they're still obsessed with men. If they didn't have men to measure themselves against, they'd have to actually deal with reality.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2009 04:34 PM (t3Mi3)

157 #149 Susan

Kind of contradictory by definition isn't it?

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:35 PM (Xm1aB)

158 "You knew that it was a no brainer that an interview on one of the major networks with one of their top newspersons would destroy Palin? Quick and send your resume to the RNC."

I knew it wasn't going to end well, and it didn't take a psychic to see that coming.

Do you think Keith Olbermann would give a fair interview to George Bush? Or David Gregory would be the fairest interviewer for, say, Fred Thompson?

Katie Couric is a female liberal at a left-wing network. She has a record, as documented over years by the Media Research Center, of left-wing bias in her reporting and commentary.

And someone thought her interviewing a conservative, pro-life female on the Republican ticket would be just fine and dandy?

Posted by: Benson at November 13, 2009 04:35 PM (qzcNU)

159 Is anyone seriously arguing that the McCain camp ORDERED her to go into the Couric interview with false expectations?

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:36 PM (CSrvi)

160 sarahw, I have to tell you, if your position is being misunderstood or misrepresented, you might have to sharpen it up and clarify, because I am not deliberately misreading you but I don't know what you ARE saying. I just see a lot of statements about what you're NOT saying.

And I don't bust on your or call you a RINO, as you know.

If there is a clear argument you can make, you should make it, because I see you saying what I claim you're saying. (i.e., I'm not being a dick and parodizing or straw-manning you; this is what I honestly believe you are saying.)

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:36 PM (jlvw3)

161 She has, in fact, acted more erratically (quitting her Governorship) than I am generally comfortable with

The left put a legal/economic gun to her head, literally trying to destroy her and her family. What she did was all about survival of her family. When faced with literal surval decisions, people do shit they really don't want to, and I'm OK with that.

If there was another feasible way out for her, given existing Alaska law, that would have allowed keeping the governor's seat that didn't result in personal poverty and massive legal debt, I've yet to hear it.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 04:37 PM (7+Eub)

162 It's just that I can't keep a man, the only time I get action is on national TV and even thenI have to use a device. And here's this damn woman who is prettier than me with a hunk of a husband.
It's just not fair.

Posted by: Katie Couric at November 13, 2009 04:37 PM (fstYb)

163 151

Dr. Spank at November 13, 2009 04:28 PM (GGgoa)

anyone who supported Obama and Jesse Jackson for President deserve
all the ridicule available (of course limited to political and life
judgements- not looks or personal life)



I was referring to the attacks on her looks and shit.


Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 13, 2009 04:37 PM (GGgoa)

164 What baldilocks said reminds me of an observation one of my history professors enlightened us to one day. He said to watch a pack of girls and a pack of boys. The girls always walk side by side in a line. Boys will walk behind whoever is the alpha, like a pack. That points out to me a fundamental difference in the way men and women act and think. Politics is dominated by men, has been for centuries, and so the way it works will follow the way men think and act.

So Althouse is off the mark here. McCain was the alpha here and so everyone followed what he said. End of story.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 04:37 PM (GZnia)

165 Kind of contradictory by definition isn't it?

Only if you're completely ignorant.

Posted by: Susan B Anthony at November 13, 2009 04:38 PM (NtiET)

166 Women hate one another.

.

Posted by: Dan Patterson at November 13, 2009 04:38 PM (yQtk0)

167 A woman cannot be both a conservative and a feminist.
Remember. 'liberals' (used to mean something different before) changed the meaning of the word feminist. It wasn't always code for leftwing radical. They are always changing the meaning of words/labels in order to hide their agenda.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 04:38 PM (rSt95)

168 +1 on Monty's comment #65. After last fall I lost any interest in anything Ann Althouse or Megan McArdle have to say about any subject whatsoever. I haven't even visited Althouse's blog since then and I went to Megan's once off an Instapundit link, left a snarky comment and haven't been back since.

Posted by: Catbert077 at November 13, 2009 04:39 PM (AIE1X)

169 I prefermore of amelancholly merlot and the dulcid musings of Ann Athouse while savoring the uplifting ambia'nce of aChuck Mangione album...on vinyl, of course.

Posted by: Jesse J. at November 13, 2009 04:39 PM (pr+up)

170 Ace - you called the "painting herself as the dupe" as the worst light possible I could put on it. She basically says "Couric and Wallace tricked me", doesn't she? I don't see how that helps anyone but Mitt Romney.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:39 PM (CSrvi)

171 Only if you choose the way they want you to live.
You would think they would love Sarah - she balanced a successful career with motherhood.....
'Cept she has the wrong letter after her name, unapoligetically believes in God and chose life.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 04:39 PM (UJIeT)

172 Do you think Keith Olbermann would give a fair interview to George Bush?
Keith doesn't interview conservatives or Republicans. Keith doesn't even hang around on election nights whenRepublicans win.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 13, 2009 04:39 PM (V9SYy)

173 Too many women don't understand leader-follower relationships, don't
get that they aren't demeaning in the least and don't realize that the
set up gets the job done more efficiently than asserting one's
"womanhood" every five seconds.
Oh, I don't know that I'd say that, Baldilocks. I think many women understand the leader-follower dynamic just fine in most situations. (Probably better than men do.) It's just that a certain kind of militant feminism took hold in the 1960's that preached absolutist thinking. That being subordinate meant being weak, the concept of sexual enslavement, all that crap. All it did was ruin a lot of marriages that might have survived otherwise and fuck up a whole generation of kids, as far as I can tell.

Men went through a similar but smaller-scale re-education camp back in the 1980's with that whole James Bly "fire in the belly" nonsense.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:39 PM (4Pleu)

174 #169 Susan

Wonderful chatting with you.

Bye.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:40 PM (Xm1aB)

175 In the comments section of the thread in question, Althouse flatly states that she'd vote for Obambi again, given what she knows now.
And yet, somehow, it's PALIN who's supposed to be the 'tard, here.
::facepalm::

Posted by: kent at November 13, 2009 04:40 PM (D32OZ)

176 ***stroking his finger along the back of Ann Althouse's hand***

Kitten, I think what I'm saying, is that sometimes, shit happens, somebody's gotta deal with it, and who you gonna call?

Posted by: Dr. Peter Venkman at November 13, 2009 04:41 PM (xGIqT)

177 Feminists = douchebags.

Posted by: Heh. I see what you did, there. at November 13, 2009 04:41 PM (Zj8fM)

178 It is hard to get the people who hate palin to express why they hate palin.

Might want to develop that further , there's a pot of gold there somewhere .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 13, 2009 04:41 PM (vKdhq)

179 Mallamut,

Reminds me of Nancy Grace and the Duke Lacrosse Scandal. She spent months accusing the boys of raping the stripper. Then they're acquitted and, low and behold, she calls in sick that night.

Posted by: Benson at November 13, 2009 04:41 PM (qzcNU)

180 You know Couric was a disaster, McCain trying to explain the TARP bill was like trying to teach a pet French, it's a waste of time, and they'll get angry. Of course, had she said no, these same anonymous people would say she was chicken. But we know now that Schmidt had decided to give up the campaign by the end of December, after the fall of Lehman, and she got in the way. That didn't stop the Obama campaign from firing all barrels at anyone still standing. Biden is a blithering idiot, not just in the malaprop department, but in nearly forty years in the Senate. Now sometime after that she was the campaign, but she didn't have the resources commensurate with it, because it was like the 1919 BlackSox throwing the game

Posted by: ian cormac at November 13, 2009 04:42 PM (GkYyh)

181 You have no idea the scorn I have received from feminists on both sides of the aisle for that decision.

Conservatives made fun of you for caring for your children? Really?


Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:27 PM (NtiET)
Surprisingly, yes. Admittedly not as much as I've gotten from women on the left. But I've gotten some of my nastier comments about it from women who are pretty solidly conservative on the issues but consider themselves "feminists". For example, I went to a friend's wedding recently. Hubby and I were put at a table with other couples, all of whom were big business muckety-mucks. Politics came up and we were all on the same page. I was getting along quite swimmingly with the ladies until one of them asked me what company I worked for. When I told them I was a stay-at-home-mom, the whole table literally went totally silent and just stared at me the first few minutes. You would have thought I told them I ate babies for a living.
When the silence was finally broken, one of the ladies asked me how I could stand being so dependent upon "some man" to take care of me. Another asked me how I dealt with being so bored all the time and didn't I feel bad for being unproductive. Another made a comment about how demeaning it was to be a professional babysitter. I answered their questions as politely as I could, but was pretty much shunned the rest of the evening. It was all very insulting.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:42 PM (MK6Kx)

182 If Althouse would still vote for president dipshit, knowing what she knows now, then she is an idiot.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 13, 2009 04:42 PM (GGgoa)

183 And to address the "whining" issue, she's coming out now and saying things she couldn't say during the campaign. How is that whining, exactly? We know how the media treated her and I don't think she's whining about it. In fact, she seems to be doing what no one else is and letting people know that yeah, she was set up to look bad by both McCain and his friends in the media.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 04:43 PM (GZnia)

184 Women hate one another.
No. But the women I knowdo hate ridiculous blanket statements like these.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 04:43 PM (rSt95)

185 I want Palin to announce her presence with authority. They ain't seen your heat yet.

Posted by: Ann "Nuke" Althouse at November 13, 2009 04:43 PM (4iIhs)

186 In the comments section of the thread in question, Althouse flatly states that she'd vote for Obambi again, given what she knows now.
Well, like I said...I question her judgement. I'd buy her lunch, but I wouldn't let her house-sit while I was out of town, you know?

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:44 PM (4Pleu)

187 #185 Mandy

I'm sorry you had to go through that shit.

I would have torn those bitches' eyes out if they had said that to my stay-at-home wife in my presence.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:44 PM (Xm1aB)

188 The other point I think Althouse missed was that this a retro-spective book. Let's assume that all her other points were right- that Palin should have been more assertive or whatever- the only thing that wouldprove is that at that time she wasn't up to the job of Vice President, not that she isn't now.
Which would be better, to have left this out and potentially provide amunition for the McCain dweebs and/or the MSM to blast her for leaving out potentially embarssing information, or to go ahead and get this out there as a mater-of-fact statement about what went on at that time?

Posted by: Allen G at November 13, 2009 04:44 PM (hH7n9)

189 I went to a Palin rally in NH. I haven't felt that sense of communion with a group of women (other than myfriends or family members) ever.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 04:44 PM (UJIeT)

190 Do you think Keith Olbermann would give a fair interview to George Bush?



Has Keith ever been seen in the same room a s a conservative? I mean really, for who guy fancies himself an uber-intellectual he sure seems allergic to debate in the safety of his echo chamber.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 04:45 PM (+FzLa)

191 Althouse flatly states that she'd vote for Obambi again, given what she knows now.

Ah, a "true believer" (Hoffer wrote a whole book about that type of person). Those types are blind to Obama's NPD and what it means for the faithful. She still thinks Obama gives a shit and all that campaign oratory means something.

People with NPD would literally throw their own grandmothers under the bus if it meant more adulation for them.

The fall to earth for Althouse is going to be particularly hard.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 13, 2009 04:45 PM (7+Eub)

192 180

hahahaha.

I attempted to duplicate Venkman's condescending "Kitten" thing with a girl I was trying to pick up one time.

She did find it charming in its retro-sexism.



Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:46 PM (jlvw3)

193 Announce your fucking presence with authority"? These guys are first ball fastball hitters. They're looking for heat!



Posted by: Ace "Crash" O'Spades at November 13, 2009 04:46 PM (4iIhs)

194
Women hate one another.

no I'd say they hate men more.

Posted by: kick my junk guy at November 13, 2009 04:46 PM (jvrmc)

195 whoa -- sorry. Important missing word:

She did NOT find it charming in its retro-sexism.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 04:47 PM (jlvw3)

196 157
Hey Mandy P., you're pretty cool. Wanna cyber?

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:47 PM (fstYb)

197 >>I don't see how that helps anyone but Mitt Romney.
It seems like Romney supporters really cannot stand Palin.

Posted by: Adrienne at November 13, 2009 04:48 PM (F1JEL)

198 @ 185 Mandy
That is almost unbelievable. You were definitely seated at the table of some folks who would be awful parents. How condescending! Hard to believe that they agreed with you on politics.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 13, 2009 04:48 PM (ZGhSv)

199 Bensen:
True. Upside though, I suspect Keith is going to take a long vacation starting around Halloween, 2010 and not return back till December 1, 2010.

Posted by: Mallamutt at November 13, 2009 04:49 PM (V9SYy)

200 >>that she's whining about it now
That seems to be the standard lefty/feminist criticism about her. Palin is "whining" to the press about her treatment by the McCain campain. She "whined" about David Letterman telling rape jokes about her 14 year old daughter. Feminists think Palin is a whiner. They are so wrong. I guess everyone who writes a book is a whiner now, huh?

If anyone thinks that this Althouse piece is whiny, just wait until the book actually comes out. We'll be seeing all the little leftist/statist/faux conservativepenises poke out of their wrinkled little foreskins and start whining and gaffawing at Sarah. And Sarah? She'll just laugh. She knows this book will show who the conservatives are and who are the conservative posers. This is going to be fun.

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 13, 2009 04:49 PM (WAAGu)

201 #185 Mandy





I'm sorry you had to go through that shit.





I would have torn those bitches' eyes out if they had said that to my stay-at-home wife in my presence.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:44 PM (Xm1aB)
Hubby was with the men at the time. The people who got married are some really good friends, so we didn't want to make a big stink over ignorant crap. We just left a bit early. And like I said, I get that crap all the time from women on both sides of the aisle, so while it's still pretty insulting, I've learned to just let it roll off me. I'm extremely happy with my life and most of the women who've been nasty to me about it are completely miserable people. I take a lot of solace in that.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:49 PM (MK6Kx)

202 Palin stood up to her own party and against crony corruption. That says a lot in my book, stumbles or no stumbles.

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 04:49 PM (B5cM9)

203
Only if you're completely ignorant.

Not necessarily, ahm there, lil' goyl.

A feminist 'fights' for special rights and is always a self-perceived victim. Being a feminist is akin to belonging to a union insofar they adhere to the collectivist mindset and use their power-in-numbers to advance their agenda.

A conservative is an individualist and believes everything she needs is right there in the Constitution, and it's up to her to pursue her happiness, not the govt's obligation to make her happy.



Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 04:50 PM (6wUpV)

204 168
Exactly. Biologically, women are collectivists.
END WOMENS' SUFFRAGE NOW!

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:50 PM (fstYb)

205 It seems like Romney supporters really cannot stand Palin.
Posted by: Adrienne at November 13, 2009 04:48 PM (F1JEL)
I was a Romney supporter early on and I love the woman.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 04:50 PM (UJIeT)

206 Did someone say poser?

Posted by: Levi Johnston at November 13, 2009 04:51 PM (EoRfm)

207 Mandy P--damn, I'm sorry. Come hang out with my family, they make fun of me for having a job.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:51 PM (NtiET)

208 "I view it instead as Sarah Palin joined a team..."
...and proceded to carry the ball most of the way down the field in spite of the lousy teammates she was stuck with.

Posted by: TakeFive at November 13, 2009 04:52 PM (/3pxq)

209
@ 185 Mandy

That is almost unbelievable. You were definitely seated at the table
of some folks who would be awful parents. How condescending! Hard to
believe that they agreed with you on politics.

Posted by: BackwardsBoy at November 13, 2009 04:48 PM (ZGhSv)
I chalk it up to there being pretty shitty people on both sides of the aisle. Look at some of the supposed conservatives who constantly rip Palin. I agree that there are some vulnerabilities she has, but good Lord you'd think she was the anti-christ the way some people trash her. Jealousy is nasty business regardless of whether or not there's an R or D after your name.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:52 PM (MK6Kx)

210 I still think Althouse needs it in the ass

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 04:52 PM (LLOGQ)

211 She did NOT find it charming in its retro-sexism

That's because women suck at pop culture references.

My wife doesn't understand why I can remember every line of Ghostbusters or Tombstone but can't remember more mundane things, like what I was supposed to pick up at the store.

It's because they're fucking MUNDANE, woman! Put it in a kick-ass or humorous format and I'll take it to my grave.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 04:52 PM (xGIqT)

212 PS - and what's with all the link-love Instapundit throws her way?

Posted by: TakeFive at November 13, 2009 04:52 PM (/3pxq)

213
>> Women hate one another

Heh. I don't exactly agree, but I think it is true to an extent. Or at least it is more true to say "women hate one another" than it is to say that "men hate one another".

I think this has biological/animal roots to it actually; reproductive instincts. Since once women start along the road of reproduction, they have to wait 9 months for pregnancy, the competition for choosing a mate is much tougher. In other words, in the short term, women can really only have 1 mate. Men can have a new one every few hours. So women are actually more competitive towards choosing a mate than men, because their selection is so much more critical. They only get one shot (well, once every year or so, but you know what I mean).

I think this is at the core of why many (or most) women dress up not for men to see, but rather for women to see. It is the competitive aspect of it all. It is also why you hear so many awkward "compliments" from one woman to another about her hair or her dress... she is trying to be nice despite the fact that she is actually a little annoyed at how good the other woman looks.

Of course, being a human being boils down to much more than just biological urges, so take everything I am saying with a grain of salt. I definitely don't think that this sums up a woman's existence... I am just saying that I think it is a contributing factor to a woman's personality.

Posted by: dan-O at November 13, 2009 04:52 PM (+9Rf8)

214 out sock.

If Althouse really believes her post and its not some Friday the 13th punk the readers thing, I feel for her husband, run dude, run like the wind.

Posted by: Guy Fawkes at November 13, 2009 04:53 PM (DIYmd)

215 Mandy P.
I bet some of the women who have to work are jealous and try to play it off as feminist virtue.
The others - just bitches.
I'd love to be able to stay home and that is the goal should we be blessed with alittle loppyd.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 04:53 PM (UJIeT)

216 That's because women suck at pop culture references.



My wife doesn't understand why I can remember every line of Ghostbusters or Tombstone but can't remember more mundane things, like what I was supposed to pick up at the store.



It's because they're fucking MUNDANE, woman! Put it in a kick-ass or humorous format and I'll take it to my grave.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 04:52 PM (xGIqT)






But yet they can sing every song word for word from Grease or Grease 2.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 04:54 PM (+FzLa)

217 Wow, Mandy, that story stinks, but it's an excellent reminder that jerks can be found on all waves of the political spectrum.

Posted by: Kensington at November 13, 2009 04:54 PM (kSpSZ)

218 PS - and what's with all the link-love Instapundit throws her way?

They're both law professors, overlap in some of their beliefs, and I think Glenn has the hots for her.

Posted by: joncelli at November 13, 2009 04:54 PM (RD7QR)

219 A feminist 'fights' for special rights and is always a self-perceived victim.

Really? You really think that's what being treated equally under the law is about?

Posted by: Susan B Anthony at November 13, 2009 04:54 PM (NtiET)

220 Or at least it is more true to say "women hate one another" than it is to say that "men hate one another".
Unless those men are trying to hit the same chick.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:54 PM (fstYb)

221 Ann Althouse Is Dumb
At least about Sarah Palin.
Fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (A/5II)

222 #207 Mandy

Well, of course it's easy to say I would have torn those nasty womens' eyes out, but I wouldn't have, for the same reason.

I can't tell you how many times I've consoled my wife who has been "inadvertently" insulted by one of her female "friends" who works outside the home. So many times I've dreamed of saying to them, "What the hell were you thinking having kids if you were just gonna drop them off at daycare and go off to work?"

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (Xm1aB)

223 Mandy P--damn, I'm sorry. Come hang out with my family, they make fun of me for having a job.


Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 04:51 PM (NtiET)
Nothing wrong with having a job. If we were worse off financially, I'd be working. But because we can afford it, I stay home. Bottom line, you do what's best for your family. And to hell with anyone who condemns you for it.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (MK6Kx)

224 #94 - I don't think Palin should have acted against advice or goals of McCain's campaign. I think she should have been less gullible, and less willing to blame others for that gullibility now.
Why do you continue to maintain that the "gullibility" was strictly on Palin's part? Don't you remember how McCain was the media's darling go-to maverick? He was under the delusion that the media would treat him the same through the campaign until it became clear that they had a new BFF in HopenChange. Notice how since he lost, he's back to being the Go-To Maverick for the media. The guy was delusional to think that all his media buddies would hang with him, so I don't find it surprising they would press to have Palin interviewed by his former BFFs regardless if she objected strongly or not.

Posted by: Paulie in AZ at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (WueVH)

225 You had me at "Ann Althouse Is Dumb"

Posted by: Lemmiwinks at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (IqfKc)

226 Argh. What happened to all my formatting?

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (A/5II)

227 But yet they can sing every song word for word from Grease or Grease 2

I can't. But I can quote Jurassic Park backwards and forwards.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (GZnia)

228 Ann Althouse Is Dumb
At least about Sarah Palin.
Fixed.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 13, 2009 04:56 PM (A/5II)

229 McCain was afraid of being upstaged by Palin. Therefore his campaign staffers decided to hide her from the friendly press, i.e. Fox and friends. It's as simple as that.

Posted by: JimK at November 13, 2009 04:56 PM (tYHOH)

230
I thought Glenn was married to the doctor-chick with teh nice tata's

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 04:56 PM (fFl1M)

231 Is strike-out no longer working?

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 13, 2009 04:56 PM (A/5II)

232 If Althouse really believes her post and its not some Friday the 13th
punk the readers thing, I feel for her husband, run dude, run like the
wind.

Yeah, I tend to agree, although I didn't follow their romance thing so perhaps he's a lib... does anyone know his political leanings?

But I will say it was odd that she put up a post soliciting advice for a good marriage only a couple of months after they got married.

Damn, woman, if you are already trying to figure that out only a few months in, hang it up already!

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 04:56 PM (sey23)

233 It's because they're fucking MUNDANE, woman! Put it in a kick-ass or humorous format and I'll take it to my grave.
She: Husband? IN A WORLD WHERE THIS HOUSE HAS NO BREAD...A HERO RISES! AND GOES TO THE STORE! AND BUYS BREAD! (She makes bomb and missile noises and blowing-up motions with her hands.)

He: Aw yeah! This bread-run is going to totally KICK FUCKING ASS! (Runs out of the house.)

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:56 PM (4Pleu)

234 But yet they can sing every song word for word from Grease or Grease 2.

I had just purged those horrors from my subconscious. Thank you for the mind rape. Now an oily Adrian Zmed will be prancing through my nightmares.

Again.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 04:57 PM (xGIqT)

235 test test test test

test test test test

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 13, 2009 04:57 PM (A/5II)

236 I like these long thoughtful post in the afternoon Ace.

Here is where feminism goes off the track. Women and Men are different. There are no two ways about it. Women approach things from a different perspective and vice a versa. This is what makes having women and men on a team at work optimum. I always felt that Sarah Palin realized she is a woman and that she likes and accepts herself. I think she respects everyone else and assumes they are going to respect her back. I don't think she is one of those women who thinks you only get your way by turning into a virago. I think she is the type who gets her way with facts and a good argument. Ironically I think she and Michelle Obama are a lot alike in that respect. Both have gone past the stereotypes of what a "feminist" actually is because for their age group...feminism as it once was, doesn't exist, it doesn't need to exist. Hillary is still is stuck in that old mentality, the old feminism, the army so to speak and she actually manifests it by wearing nothing but those pant suits! This is why I think BiO is just terrified of Sarah Palin, cause he lives with that kind of woman and he knows how formidable they can be...simply by quietly and clamly discussing. I bet Althouse is old, the old guard of feminism, the Hilalry crowd. so of course she has missed the fact that the generations that followed took from feminism what they saw working and discarded the rest, the rest being mostly the nasty, militant, anti men vibe. Always feel sorry for those feminists, they still can't see the forest for the trees and it will always impact all of their personal relationships. Ironically these are the ones who have trouble with their sons, they are men after all. And then they are suprised when their sons bring home these intelligent feminine women who are their own person and have their son cooking, cleaning and taking care of small children. They never quite recognize the "new world" they hoped to launch.

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 04:57 PM (p302b)

237 kent at November 13, 2009 04:40 PM (D32OZ)

"Althouse would vote for Obama again"

The title of Ace's post needs little else to support it.

Also I can't abide Mitt Romney. FWIW to any discussion of Palin.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 04:57 PM (CSrvi)

238 I can't. But I can quote Jurassic Park backwards and forwards.
I've watched The Dirty Dozen three times in the last three days. The best part is when Jim Brown shoots Telly Savalas.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 04:57 PM (fstYb)

239 weird.

Posted by: OregonMuse at November 13, 2009 04:58 PM (A/5II)

240 That's because women suck at pop culture references.
I take issue with that. I quoted Animal House on my first date with my husband. And asked the bartender to put on a pre-season Pats game. And ordered beer.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 04:58 PM (UJIeT)

241 Her new husband is more conservative then she is by far. I do not know if he likes Palin though but I want to say yes.

Posted by: Gaff at November 13, 2009 04:58 PM (CMpbs)

242 So many times I've dreamed of saying to them, "What the hell were you thinking having kids if you were just gonna drop them off at daycare and go off to work?"

I always wondered about that, too. Upper middle class to rich people seem to have kids because they're accessories. I know lots of women who popped out a kid or two then immediately went back to work, dumping their kids, as young as 18 months at day care. What's the point of having kids if you're not going to stay home with them? And I understand that some people are not financially able to do that --that's a different story. But to those who are, I don't get it.

My mom quit her job to raise me and planned to go back after I was old enough, say around age 10. Instead she had another kid and remained a stay at home mom. Now she volunteers full time at my old elementary school and has been since I used to go there. So she found a fulfilling life without having a career.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (GZnia)

243

Spaceballs greatest movie ever.

Posted by: kick my junk guy at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (jvrmc)

244 "Why does the feminist ideal often seem to suggest that is the goal?"

Because "equality" is a load of shit. No such animal. There's dominance or submission, and feminists know that the "equality" crap is a means to dominance and power, which is their end.

Posted by: JB at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (1OoPr)

245 I can't tell you how many times I've consoled my
wife who has been "inadvertently" insulted by one of her female
"friends" who works outside the home. So many times I've dreamed of
saying to them, "What the hell were you thinking having kids if you
were just gonna drop them off at daycare and go off to work?"

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:55 PM (Xm1aB)





My wife once compared an office full of women as being akin to a pit full of cannibalistic vipers.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (+FzLa)

246 #225 Susan

Hey, why don't you cut it with the stupid semantic shit?

Believing in equal treatment under the law for men and women doesn't make one a feminist, unless you're prepared to call me such, and I don't think you are.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (Xm1aB)

247 The best part is when Jim Brown shoots Telly Savalas.

You're turning this army base into a sink-hole of vice!

I loved Savalas in that movie. It's not often you get a psychotic-killer-sexual-deviant as one of the good guys.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (4Pleu)

248 Why Johnny Ringo! You look like someone just stepped over your grave.

Posted by: Doc Holliday at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (EoRfm)

249 It's like Rush says: feminism is a way for ugly women to be able to participate in the mainstream of society.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (fstYb)

250
I'd love to be able to stay home and that is the goal should we be blessed with alittle loppyd.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 04:53 PM (UJIeT)
My advice is to do it if you can afford it. Best decision I ever made. It's not easy (if you're doing it right anyway). You'd be surprised how much there is to do between trying to keep your house in order and keep your children from killing themselves or someone else, or breaking something, etc. But it's all worth it at the end of the day. And honestly, even though there's a lot of things to do, I'm still less stressed than I was when I was working. At least my toddler has an excuse as to why he acts the way he does. When you're working with adults and they behave like toddlers, it's infinitely more frustrating!

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (MK6Kx)

251 >>> I quoted Animal House on my first date with my husband.

Very movie-quotes 101.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (jlvw3)

252 Palin was obligated to follow McCain's lead not merely out of hierarchy, but because he had earned the presidential nomination and thengiven her the vice-presidential nomination. She owed him loyalty and deference, even when he wasfoolish and stupid.
The defining stupidity of McCain and hisstaffwas their belief that the Media loved them for themselves.They never recognized what was obvious to the rest of us: the Media loved McCain when he expressed hatred for Republicans.
Hefoolishly trusted the Media as honest brokers and let them set the rules of engagement, which always favored his opponent. McCain and the nincompoops around him even internalized the Media's hatred for Palin - who, if used effectively, offeredhis onlyremote chance at victory.
As for the propriety of writing a tell-all book,it was made necessary by the rumor-mongeringand anonymous character assassination that emanated from the McCainiacs as well as the Media. Conservatives have often complained about Bush's unwilingness to defend himself. It's good to see that Sarah Palin is different.

Posted by: lyle at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (ulSXV)

253 I can't. But I can quote Jurassic Park backwards and forwards.


But you're a moronette, and therefore, awesome.



Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (t3Mi3)

254 That's because women suck at pop culture references.

I take issue with that. I quoted Animal House on my first date with my husband. And asked the bartender to put on a pre-season Pats game. And ordered beer.

Sorry, honey. I ain't a scalpel, y'know.

See what I did there? BROAD brush? For broads?

***self-love five, up top***

Posted by: Empire of Jeff's broad brush at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (xGIqT)

255 Spaceballs greatest movie ever.
Posted by: kick my junk guy at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (jvrmc)
Had a neighbor named Shwartz a few years ago. Think he'd like a nickel for every time someone has said "may the shwartz be with you"?

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 05:01 PM (UJIeT)

256 My wife once compared an office full of women as being akin to a pit full of cannibalistic vipers.

I used to work in an office full of women lawyers. Your wife is correct.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 05:01 PM (GZnia)

257 A dude would be quoting Gymkata to impress his date. If it WOULD impress his date, which it would not, which is why he refrains.

But he WANTS to quote Gymkata.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 05:01 PM (jlvw3)

258 That's because women suck at pop culture references.

Maybe you need to know better women.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 05:02 PM (NtiET)

259 Very movie-quotes 101.
Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 05:00 PM (jlvw3)
Oh I see how it's going to be.
It wasn't a very obvious quote. In my opinion.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 05:03 PM (UJIeT)

260 I fucking still want to quote this quote I don't even understand from Cannonball Run (or Cannonball Run 2; who knows).

When like Dean Martin wants Sammy Davis Junior to look at some chicks on the left, he says, I think, "Chalk left."

Chalk left? What? What does that mean? Why chalk? How random is that?

And yet -- I want to say it.

But who among you is worthy to even remember that odd quote?

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 05:03 PM (jlvw3)

261 Believing in equal treatment under the law for men and women doesn't
make one a feminist, unless you're prepared to call me such, and I
don't think you are.

What the blue blazes are you talking about?

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 05:03 PM (NtiET)

262 #263

An office full of women lawyers?

OMG!

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 05:03 PM (Xm1aB)

263 Aww, thanks, ITC. I can quote a multitude of Mel Brooks films as well as Star Trek, Star Wars and of course, a variety of Monty Python.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 05:04 PM (GZnia)

264 Speaking of dates, here's my favorite pick-up line:
Hey baby, we're gonna have sex tonight. Do you want to be there?
2nd favorite: Hey beaver!

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 05:04 PM (fstYb)

265 >>>It wasn't a very obvious quote. In my opinion.

(strokes back of hand)

To you, Kitten. To you.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 05:04 PM (jlvw3)

266 Feminism is the notion that a woman can be as big an asshole as a man.

Posted by: FireHorse at November 13, 2009 05:04 PM (Vl5GH)

267 She: Husband? IN A WORLD WHERE THIS HOUSE HAS NO
BREAD...A HERO RISES! AND GOES TO THE STORE! AND BUYS BREAD! (She makes
bomb and missile noises and blowing-up motions with her hands.)

He: Aw yeah! This bread-run is going to totally KICK FUCKING ASS! (Runs out of the house.)



Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 04:56 PM (4Pleu)
That is awesome! I'll have to try that out on my husband. Dunno if it'll go over quite so well though, as I don't think my soprano voice will make for a good Don LaFontaine impression.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 05:04 PM (MK6Kx)

268 bb.bb...b...but..Ppp..pppp...Palin...cc..cc..coulda..ta.. ta.. taken... cont...cont.. controll...of..d..da.da..campaign...re..re..really..?
This article makes my eyes rain.

Posted by: Simple (even I ain't this retarded) Jack at November 13, 2009 05:04 PM (SqAkN)

269 I used to work in an office full of women lawyers. Your wife is correct.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 05:01 PM (GZnia)

Funny you should mention that since she was working in the legal field at the time and her office was comprised almost entirely of alpha women.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 05:04 PM (+FzLa)

270 But he WANTS to quote Gymkata.

Wrong. He wants to quote The Octagon or Good Guys Wear Black. Or Kentucky Fried Movie, if he's in a particularly fey mood.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 05:05 PM (4Pleu)

271 #219 Dan-O
kind of like the biological urge guys have to fart and then laugh?
Curious though, I have seen any number of rude, disparaging comments on this site by men about the way other men look, especially men they disagree with. Why is this not evidence of men hating other men? I think the main difference is that men, even if it really pisses them off at the time, generally forget about it and move on. You all know you're stud-muffins, and rightfully so. Women, generally, internalize these things. Examine them over and over. Keep pulling off that scab. My 17 year old daughter is one of the most beautiful women in the world (no, I won't send photos). She has had to deal with adult men asking her out since she was 14. She focuses on the fact that she believes she has funny hips and works to camouflage their hideousness. I never used to believe the Michelle Pfieffers and Angelina Jolies who said they thought they were funny looking (I was no teenage knockout - 6 feet tall and weighing 115lbs, including my glasses, so I thought these women were full of shit) but because of my experiences with my daughter, I believe them now.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 05:05 PM (rSt95)

272 An office full of women lawyers?

OMG!

Yeah, you ain't seen crazy until you worked where I used to work. I ran away from there for good reason.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 05:05 PM (GZnia)

273 My wife doesn't understand why I can remember every line of Ghostbusters or Tombstone but can't remember more mundane things, like what I was supposed to pick up at the store.
A kindred spirit.

You called for a head of lettuce, and here it comes .... and eggs are coming with it ... do you hear me you cur?? EGGS ARE COMING WITH IT!

Posted by: toby928 at November 13, 2009 05:05 PM (PD1tk)

274 Spaceballs greatest movie ever.

Posted by: kick my junk guy at November 13, 2009 04:59 PM (jvrmc)
COMB THE DESERT!

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 05:06 PM (MK6Kx)

275 Funny you should mention that since she was working in the legal field at the time and her office was comprised almost entirely of alpha women.

I'm sure each and every one of them voted for Obama just like my former coworkers.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 05:07 PM (GZnia)

276


Gymkata ace ? Real men can quote Mitch Gaylord's lines from American Anthem.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 05:07 PM (+FzLa)

277 This article makes my eyes rain.

It's much funnier if you read it in the voice of Jimmy from South Park.*

*C-Cool as a fool in a swimming p-p-p-pool!


Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 05:08 PM (4Pleu)

278 >>>Maybe you need to know better women.

No such animal. I got the best one.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 05:08 PM (xGIqT)

279 O/T: glenn beck is interviewing Charles, the guy who owns his own financial firm...i have always loved him, his heart shines through and his good intentions. I would tivo programs that I knew he was going to be on to watch them later.

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 05:08 PM (p302b)

280 Whenever hubby's feeling frisky, he always puts on his best Bruce Campbell voice and says "Gimme some sugar, baby!" Cracks me up every time.

I love random movie references.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 05:08 PM (MK6Kx)

281 Bust out some quotes from either Ghoulies or Critters if you want to really go obscure.

Posted by: Mr. Pink at November 13, 2009 05:08 PM (SqAkN)

282 #125 You can't be prepared for a sandbag interview, because if you give a good answer it ends up on the cutting room floor.

Posted by: Oldcat at November 13, 2009 05:09 PM (z1N6a)

283 #230 Paulie
"Don't you remember how McCain was the media's darling go-to maverick? He was under the delusion that the media would treat him the same through the campaign until it became clear that they had a new BFF in HopenChange. "

Yes, I remember it well.


However true it might be that Palin was a fool to get mixed up with the likes of Mc., it's not a big selling point for her now to say how she bought into any such delusion, is it? It's one thing to go with the interviews her "Boss" wants her to; it's another to buy into fantasy that Couric will be not only fair but sympathetic on Wallace's say-so.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 05:09 PM (CSrvi)

284 rum, it's good for a moron to suck up to the moronettes from time to time. Builds character.

Or pathos, depending on your point of view.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2009 05:10 PM (t3Mi3)

285 136
This is worthy of a post all on it's own. Damn that is the classic ace snark we all love so much. I'm going to print and frame that masterpiece.

Posted by: Bosk at November 13, 2009 05:10 PM (pUO5u)

286 OT but someone over at hotair mentioned palin put up a new FB post, bout the clusterfark up in NY and boy did she sound pissed. Heh, after taking a peek, I'd have to say she is a little angry.

Posted by: Dale in San Antonio(Not Dave!) at November 13, 2009 05:10 PM (sXEVG)

287
You really think that's what being treated equally under the law is about?

You already all your equal rights. You, assuming you're a woman, have the exact same rights as I, a dood, do.

This is where we fundamentally disagree and you prove that you know nothing about conservatism. THE 'LAW' IS NOT TREATING YOU UNFAIRLY, PEOPLE ARE.

If you think you're getting the shaft, take your case to court. We don't need to add laws so life is easier for *you*. We have enough laws. We have more than enugh laws. We have too many laws. Too many regulations.

That's what conservatism is (partly) about. Limiting the power of positive laws imposed on the people. Conservatives want govt to be limited in power and limited in how they can affect people's lives. You want govt to dictate, whereas conservatives want to keep a lid on govt's reach.




Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 05:10 PM (fFl1M)

288 "With this foot, I kick that knife. With this foot, I break your nose. Take a goooood look at my face.

I'm an Oriental."


GO.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 05:10 PM (xGIqT)

289 About women hating one another: I'd rather turn tricks than work in an office again.

Every time I hear about someone shooting up an office, I don't condone it and I think that the perp should fry either here or in the next world. However, I understand the impulse and I thank God that I have a tight leash on mine.

Posted by: baldilocks at November 13, 2009 05:10 PM (AKOkS)

290 Althouse actively tries to be obnoxious sometimes.

She's not very smart about how she defends herself... often she rushes to judgment and gets huffy if called on her errors.

Her comment sections are sometimes pretty good to read, but lately not so much. Her husband, Meade, the commenter on her site, is particularly corny and sycophantic.

She's deliberately obtuse about politics, not because of her true views... she doesn't seem to want to communicate anything she actually believes. She's just very compulsive about poking, and yet also very sensitive to that same behavior directed towards her.

She is an affirmative action hire, and she is tenured, and it's clear she's trying to prove something... some kind of intellectual gadfly thing. Only she doesn't have the chops to back it up. A lot of people just 'know' that Palin is an idiot. So she set out to prove it by citing a book that Althouse has not actually even read. That's bad scholarship, obnoxious, and frankly, quite ugly.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 05:10 PM (3Okxb)

291 Curious though, I have seen any number of rude, disparaging comments on
this site by men about the way other men look, especially men they
disagree with.
That's just how men talk to each other. We call our friends all kinds of rude shit. Our phone calls go like this: "What's up, cocksucker? You up for a ball game this afternoon? Yeah, yeah, you suck like a $2 whore, you ugly bastard. Gargle on my nutsack, you cheap fuck. See ya at 2. Bye."

I've seen men get into knife-fights in a parking lot and then buy each other a beer about a half-hour later. Men don't hold grudges in the way women do. It's rarely personal with men. Women will hold a grudge for fucking years; they'll take insults and personal slights to the grave.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 05:11 PM (4Pleu)

292 Was it Dagny earlier who mentioned that Ann Althouse is gorgeous?

I looked her up. I'm like that. She's not.

http://bit.ly/YnVMt

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 05:11 PM (MFbfZ)

293 I'm sure each and every one of them voted for Obama just like my former coworkers.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 05:07 PM (GZnia)






You would be correct. The firm in question dealt extensively in labor law and union issues and was very pro-Democrat. Tim Kaine was very good friends with the senior partner. My wife has since moved on from there, but she said the only way she lasted as long as she did which was almost five years, was to become detached from reality every time she walked through the door.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 05:12 PM (+FzLa)

294 291 rum, it's good for a moron to suck up to the moronettes from time to time. Builds character. Or pathos, depending on your point of view.
Horsepucky, they're brownie points, plain and simple. Use em to slow the moronettes down when they're after you with knives in their hands. Or at least let you get away with a few good shenanigans before you're knocked silly.

Posted by: Dale in San Antonio(Not Dave!) at November 13, 2009 05:12 PM (sXEVG)

295 If you want to see real misogyny, just hang out with women. I swear, they have it down to an art form.

Posted by: bigpinkfluffybunny at November 13, 2009 05:12 PM (KWhJd)

296 People with NPD would literally throw their own grandmothers under the bus if it meant more adulation for them.
She was a typical white person.

Posted by: BO at November 13, 2009 05:13 PM (gQ+XA)

297 O/T: Not for anything but heck, Beck has a room full of educated black males and females who are conservatives. Now, BO and company would rather all blacks think all blacks are liberal dems. Won't this be a shocka..

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 05:13 PM (p302b)

298 Ace, I don't remember any Gymkata quotes, but I have taken it's lessons to heart.

One night when I was walking back to my car in the French Quarter, I was attacked by ten escaped lunatics. Fortunately, there was a pommel horse nearby and I was able to render all of them hors de combat with a flawlessly executed routine.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 05:13 PM (xGIqT)

299 I would hit Helen Thomas,

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 05:14 PM (LLOGQ)

300 "Why does the feminist ideal often seem to suggest that is the goal?"

It's about bitchiness justified by revenge for "historic unjust".

Posted by: I sea kittens at November 13, 2009 05:14 PM (bAL0J)

301 That's just how men talk to each other. We call our friends
all kinds of rude shit. Our phone calls go like this: "What's up,
cocksucker? You up for a ball game this afternoon? Yeah, yeah, you suck
like a $2 whore, you ugly bastard. Gargle on my nutsack, you cheap
fuck. See ya at 2. Bye."

I've seen men get into knife-fights in
a parking lot and then buy each other a beer about a half-hour later.
Men don't hold grudges in the way women do. It's rarely personal with
men. Women will hold a grudge for fucking years; they'll take insults and personal slights to the grave.



Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 05:11 PM (4Pleu)
This is very true. Men don't take that stuff as personally as women do. Hubby and his brothers and all ahteir male friends are constantly greeting each other with words like "bitch", "fag", "asshat" etc. If I were to greet a woman friend by saying "What yup, whore?" I'd probably be in for some physical violence.

Posted by: Mandy P. at November 13, 2009 05:14 PM (MK6Kx)

302 Ace, remember Charla Nash. I mean you face isnothing towrite home about but still.
Unless your goal is to be on Oprah.
Carry on.

Posted by: trooper york at November 13, 2009 05:14 PM (6UPPZ)

303 I would hit Helen Thomas


Necrophilia. Not cool.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 05:15 PM (MFbfZ)

304 I would hit Helen Thomas,

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 05:14 PM (LLOGQ)


I want some of what your smoking/drinking.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 05:15 PM (+FzLa)

305 Monty, I'm pretty sure that was the point I was making.Some women hold the grudge because they believe the insult to be true and live it over and over again.
Once in a while it would be nice if you men used the phrase 'some women' and not 'women'. We're not all like that and I'm never speaking to you again

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 05:16 PM (rSt95)

306 @297She is an affirmative action hire

How do you know she is an affirmative action hire?

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 05:16 PM (sey23)

307 Betty Whitre kind of moves meas well......

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 05:17 PM (LLOGQ)

308 It was me, Mr. Smith. Darcy, not Dagny. And you chose a silly pic of her.

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 05:17 PM (cnJcX)

309 And there was always something about Ann B Davis from the Brady Bunch, must have been the maid outfit or something, she was teh hot!!!!!!

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 05:18 PM (LLOGQ)

310 she said the only way she lasted as long as she did which was almost five years, was to become detached from reality every time she walked through the door.

Sounds exactly like my former office. I couldn't believe the shit that came out of these womens' mouths. Complete and utter lack of common sense and logic and reason.

Posted by: wherestherum at November 13, 2009 05:18 PM (GZnia)

311 You already all your equal rights. You, assuming you're a woman, have the exact same rights as I, a dood, do.

I do NOW. This was not always the case. Before feminism, women couldn't own property, get a credit card, vote--even keep custody of their own children after widowhood in some states. That wasn't "people treating you unfairly"--that was the written law.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 05:18 PM (NtiET)

312 To you, Kitten. To you.
Posted by: ace
OK that made me laugh.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 05:19 PM (UJIeT)

313 I usually like reading Ann, but yeah, the whole tone of the post: "here's the way I would have done it"-ugh.
If I wanted to read Biographies by people who never do anything wrong and never admit their mistakes I'll read one of the Clintons' or King Barry's.

Posted by: ktgreat at November 13, 2009 05:19 PM (wmFbG)

314 Betty White is tired of your shit.

http://bit.ly/26yCwA

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 05:20 PM (MFbfZ)

315 Frum is a nasty, busty whore, isn't she?
My wife is fairly conservative and has no time for Palin. She dismissed her from the git-go as a pander to women in response to the black candidate. I'd be surprised if that weren't pretty common.
After that, there was little opportunity for Palin to rehabilitate herself in the face of the media slant. It's like, "If it's going to be a woman, why that woman?" Never remembering the implied insult that a woman was selected in the first place.
Sorry, but a lot of us guys just don't expectmuch intellectual consistency from women.

Posted by: spongeworthy at November 13, 2009 05:20 PM (rplL3)

316 We're not all like that and I'm never speaking to you again

I realize that women are not really "people" in the strictest sense of the word, but they can be such pains in the ass when provoked that I do my best not to provoke them unduly. They are strange and changeable creatures, truly.


Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 05:20 PM (4Pleu)

317 Hey, Trooper!

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 05:20 PM (cnJcX)

318 And there was always something about Ann B Davis
from the Brady Bunch, must have been the maid outfit or something, she
was teh hot!!!!!!

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 05:18 PM (LLOGQ)






I'm thinking Anne Ramsey would have been a match made in heaven for you.

Posted by: Blazer at November 13, 2009 05:20 PM (+FzLa)

319 On the bright side, Tweets, under Sharia I'll go back to being property with no legal rights. Not sure which of my nephews gets stuck with me, so I'm sucking up to all of them now. Heh heh.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 05:20 PM (NtiET)

320 "Chalk" is a paratrooping term, meaning a specific group of soldiers who're about to eject themselvesout of an airplane. "Chalk left" would mean, I guess, "That group ofviking warriorsjumping out the left side of the aircraft," to be distinguished from "Chalk Right," which would be those leaping out the right-side door.It's not typically used as a directional thing, I think, but rather as a numbering device (i.e., "Chalk 1" is that bunch of guys over there, and "Chalk 2" is that other group of dudes, over here), but can be used directionally, under the right circumstances.
I assume Dean's comment to Sammy was the non-military version of "Hey, man, drop your EYE over to the left!"
Or, I'm full of shit.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2009 05:21 PM (Zj8fM)

321 Madge the Palmolive girl drove me crazy when I was a kid, used to cover myself in Palmolive and just lay there in pure glee

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 05:21 PM (LLOGQ)

322
Well, Darcy, I'll say this about Ann Althouse: she's prettier than Michelle Obama, who is a Wokkiee.


Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 05:22 PM (6wUpV)

323 My apologies, Darcy.

I admit to a thing for Dagny. She has a certain je ne sais quoi.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 05:23 PM (MFbfZ)

324 #319

Yeah, you do NOW.

So you can brush the fucking chip off your shoulder NOW.

Posted by: Dave at November 13, 2009 05:23 PM (Xm1aB)

325

Cindy @ 278:

I typed that post up, then hesitated about actually hitting "post" because I thought it might be easily misinterpreted. It does read as being a little provocative, but that was not my intent.

Again, I am not saying that women are entirely defined by this instinct. It is just that it is a primal instinct that subtly plays a role in behavior. Your mention of a woman's preoccupation with her looks is another good example of the point I am trying to make. Men don't typically have this preoccupation (to the same extent that women do) because the same level of competition just isn't there.

And, by the way, men have their own biological urges too (obviously). Men are constantly attracted to women. Constantly. But I don't think this defines men. For example, a good husband is true to his wife, but it doesn't mean he does not take notice when an attractive woman walks by. So I'm not just trying to make blanket statements about women.

Posted by: dan-O at November 13, 2009 05:23 PM (+9Rf8)

326 I just don't know these types of women. Maybe it's just so much more prevalent in the corporate/academic world. Maybe it's because I work in an office (small family biz) with 12 guys and 3 women.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 05:24 PM (rSt95)

327
Sarah Palin > the reproterette on Fox News with short dark hair and wears an ascot > Ann Althouse > Michelle Obama

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 05:24 PM (6wUpV)

328
Catherine Herridge?

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 05:25 PM (6wUpV)

329 So you can brush the fucking chip off your shoulder NOW.

What chip? I was impressed by your ignorance.

Posted by: HeatherRadish at November 13, 2009 05:25 PM (NtiET)

330 Sheesh, what women are you guys running around with, Monty????


Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 05:26 PM (p302b)

331 Hey Darcy!

Posted by: trooper york at November 13, 2009 05:26 PM (6UPPZ)

332 I would not agree that women hate other women. But they definitely have a predisposition to criticize other women mercilessly. But, that's how they do.

It's as natural to them as shopping and crying.


Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 05:26 PM (xGIqT)

333 "Listen to me, kid. If she doesn't reach over and lift up that button so that you can get in, that means she's a selfish broad and all you're seeing is the tip of the iceberg. You dump her and you dump her fast. "

Posted by: trooper york at November 13, 2009 05:26 PM (6UPPZ)

334 She basically says "Couric and Wallace tricked me", doesn't she?
Couric claims to be a "journalist". She claims to be an impartial witness to events, not a partisan actor.

How is it a fault of Palin's that Couric lies? How is a failing on Palin's part that Wallace assured her Couric would treat her fairly? Wallace was an adviser assigned to her by the campaign; had Palin instead haired off and refused to trust the campaign's advisers, wouldn't that have been a bigger failing than trusting someone she was told was trustworthy?

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 13, 2009 05:27 PM (ZJ/un)

335 Althouse has proven her idiocy and gullibility when she voted for the communist.
I can't read her page any longer. Simply put, she has no clue as to what she's talking about when it comes to this country's future.

Posted by: dick at November 13, 2009 05:29 PM (wJQjk)

336 sharkman,

ah, yes, maybe. Still, it sounded like a verb.

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 05:29 PM (jlvw3)

337 Thank you, Mr. Smith. I admit to having no je ne sais quoi, myself.

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 05:29 PM (cnJcX)

338 A lib buddy told me last night that Palin has a lawyer with connections to Blackwater, and that was BAAAAD. Any idea what he's talking about?

Posted by: GregInSeattle at November 13, 2009 05:30 PM (B5cM9)

339
"Fifty-bucks says the Smails kid picks his nose."

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 05:30 PM (6wUpV)

340 I used to work in an office full of women lawyers. Your wife is correct.

I'm the only man in a department full of women. That's why I volunteered to work nights, by myself. Otherwise, I have to put up with "hell's fury" or the "Tower of Bahbbel".

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 13, 2009 05:30 PM (WAAGu)

341 #325 Monty
I think I love you but I'm still not speaking to you which makes me the perfect woman.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 05:31 PM (rSt95)

342 ace
this is over a thousand words to make a point
I agree but edit, baby- edit

Posted by: Jones at November 13, 2009 05:32 PM (JL3qV)

343 When you're working with adults and they behave like toddlers, it's infinitely more frustrating!
I can relate.

Posted by: loppyd at November 13, 2009 05:32 PM (UJIeT)

344 I just don't think we can make a judgment from 2 pages of an unreleased book ... as Sarah told us herself: Keep your powder dry. Read the whole thing.Enjoy it. Anyone who didn't think Katie Couric had an agenda wouldn't vote for Sarah anyway.
She badgered Sarah about a freaking flyer circulated at her church urging people to pray for gays. She didn't badger Joe Biden or Barack Obama about their opposition to gay marriage. She badgered Sarah about her not having a passport prior to 2007 but didn't ask Obama if he ever traveled on an Indonesian passport.She badgered Sarah about Supreme Court decisions besides Roe v. Wade that she disagreed with but gave Biden a pass on his strange recollection of FDR's presidency.
Katie Couric should have had one hour with Sarah, no more. Instead the inept McCain camp sent Sarah back for for 4-5 more segments. Idiots. Six hours with Katie Couric, I guaragee you'd be sounding like a babbling idiot, too. Sarah is just setting the record straight.

Posted by: Nicole at November 13, 2009 05:32 PM (BTYY4)

345 Very movie-quotes 101.Now, "Zardoz" -- that's graduate-level movie quoting!


Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 13, 2009 05:33 PM (ZJ/un)

346 Gender war , it's fucking on .......baby .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 13, 2009 05:34 PM (vKdhq)

347 "Fifty-bucks says the Smails kid picks his nose."

Now that made me laugh.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 05:34 PM (MFbfZ)

348 Caddyshack, Tweets? Really?

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 05:35 PM (xGIqT)

349 #325 Monty

I think I love you but I'm still not speaking to you which makes me the perfect woman.


Make him guess why .

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 13, 2009 05:36 PM (vKdhq)

350 Curious though, I have seen any number of rude, disparaging comments on
this site by men about the way other men look, especially men they
disagree with. Why is this not evidence of men hating other men?

What makes you think it's not?


Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 13, 2009 05:36 PM (ZJ/un)

351 Enough of Sarah Palin. Laura Bush for President.

Posted by: trooper york at November 13, 2009 05:36 PM (6UPPZ)

352 And as the book release date gets closer and closer the shit will get deeper and be flung farther. This is just beginning. Prepare to be shocked at the depths some people will go to defame Sarah. Including "Republicans".

Posted by: Bosk at November 13, 2009 05:37 PM (pUO5u)

353 Sorry thought you might need a link whore.

Posted by: trooper york at November 13, 2009 05:37 PM (6UPPZ)

354 A lib buddy told me last night that Palin has a lawyer with connections
to Blackwater, and that was BAAAAD. Any idea what he's talking about?


Why would that be bad? The only reason I don't have a closet full of make-hippies-cry Blackwater t-shirts is because one of my best friends has some and I don't want him giving me shit for being a copy-cat.

Posted by: IllTemperedCur at November 13, 2009 05:38 PM (t3Mi3)

355 Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 04:31 PM (cnJcX)

I share, actually, your opinion of Wallace. And I think Palin's savaging had a lot of help from her. It's not like I think Palin didn't get thrown to wolves, ripped to shreds.

Link to a slide show I made way last year, if bonafides required.
http://gallery.me.com/sarahwmac

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 05:38 PM (CSrvi)

356 Oh, so Caddyshack is not sophisticated enough for you?

I admit it. I'm a lowbrow.

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 05:38 PM (MFbfZ)

357 A lot of people have said it "upstairs" in the thread, but it bears repeating --Ann Althouse is dumb - she supported Barack Obama. She is trying to justify this flaming idiocy to herself (and the world) by telling herself (and the world) that as bad as Obama is turning out to be, Sarah would have been worse. The only problem is, Sarah wouldn't have been president, John McCain would have been. While McCain is no prize, he would have been a thousand times better.

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at November 13, 2009 05:39 PM (PZLW0)

358
Jeff, Ace was quoting Cannonball Run II!

Not only was Ace quoting that awful movie, he was contemplating the quote. Caddyshack is a classic compared to Cannonball II.

*awful, but in a good way

Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 05:39 PM (6wUpV)

359 Trooper's Laura Bush posts are brilliant.

(And I think Althouse thought the comment she linked was funny. She doesn't appear to be offended.)

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 05:39 PM (cnJcX)

360 "How do you know she is an affirmative action hire?


Posted by: Y-not"

It's not possible to prove that there are any affirmative action hires, practically anywhere, with any specificity. It's kept very vague and secret.

Althouse's credentials are on her vita. What she had upon hire are not even close to a white male's credentials from the same era. She was hired when women hires were a major objective of affirmative action.

Is that proof? To be honest, I think it is, but I understand if you aren't satisfied. She's not a bad blogger, but she can be obnoxious at times, and often it's at times that kinda hint that she's insecure about her merit as a woman and thinker. That I absolutely can't prove.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 05:40 PM (3Okxb)

361 >>> this is over a thousand words to make a point

>>>I agree but edit, baby- edit

There's an old quote from a very dead writer: "Sorry this letter is so long; I didn't have time to write you a shorter one."

I agree with you but bear in mind this crap is brain-to-page and "I don't have the time to write you shorter posts."

Another quote, from Boston Irish, who was slightly drunk and accidentally miscounted his way into a witty aphorism: "Three words: Editors edit."

Posted by: ace at November 13, 2009 05:40 PM (jlvw3)

362 A lib buddy told me last night that Palin has a lawyer with connections
to Blackwater, and that was BAAAAD. Any idea what he's talking about?

What he was really trying to say was that he shouldn't have drunk the bongwater.

Seriously -- I don't get their hard-on about Blackwater. It's a private security firm. It operates in dangerous areas. Shit happens.

I'd trust every damned employee at Blackwater before I'd trust ANYONE involved with ACORN.

Posted by: Rob Crawford at November 13, 2009 05:43 PM (ZJ/un)

363 It bears repeating: not only did Althouse vote for Obama, she still thinks Obama was the better choice and would vote for him again today if faced with the same choice, knowing what she knows now.

Posted by: Kensington at November 13, 2009 05:43 PM (kSpSZ)

364 Will check it out, SarahW. Thanks. You didn't come off as disliking Sarah.

Posted by: Darcy at November 13, 2009 05:44 PM (cnJcX)

365 246
That's probably why he married you

Posted by: The Q at November 13, 2009 05:46 PM (pfStM)

366 That strict mercenary self-interest in all things is somehow elevated
to a virtue, and any deviation from that, a sign of weakness.

You're damn straight . . .

Posted by: Ayn Rand at November 13, 2009 05:46 PM (sOpAl)

367 Tweet, you may not have the mathematics background to follow this proof:

Burt Reynolds + Dom Deluise > Chevy Chase

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 05:48 PM (d/hxi)

368 "There's an old quote from a very dead writer: "Sorry this letter is so long; I didn't have time to write you a shorter one.""

That's a great quote.

Kensington, she's vote for Obama today? That's absolutely bonkers. What are the values Obama demonstrates? Big spending? Secrecy? Indecision? Seriously, Althouse claims to be moderate, but I think she's just contrary. Some are saying she supported Jesse Jackson!

I don't mind reading the blog of a nut, but that's clearly what I've been doing when I occasionally check her blog out.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 05:49 PM (3Okxb)

369 Rosie Odonnell in my opinion is very sexy. If your into seals

Posted by: Todd at November 13, 2009 05:50 PM (LLOGQ)

370 The campaign aides were clearly so stuck in the box of conventional politics that they had no idea what to do with this game-changing VP selection.
Those of us fighting the battle of the chat rooms kept waiting for her to be "unveiled" to the media, making excuses for why the McCain camp kept her in lockdown for 3 weeks...or whatever it was.
It was obvious that the insiders were trying to revamp her...study her up...basically trying pull the wool over peoples eyes, when none of that was necessary. And it gave the opposition (the media) the time to catch its breath and devise a counter strategy.
I remember hoping at the time that her first interview would be the week following the convention, live, with Stepanopolis. No canned interviews, no undue preparation. Just getting to know the running mate from the north woods before the professional pols tried to make a clay model out of her.
The public would have understood if she wasn't rote on every single issue...neither are the press. And we wouldn't have lost so much momentum.

Posted by: Shaun Stuart at November 13, 2009 05:51 PM (JTd0h)

371 Kensington,

I get your drift. Althouse has downgraded herself from Serious Thinker to Typical Academe Fucktard Obamaton.


She'd vote for him again? Purge this dipshit. I don't want the skunk inside the tent pissing OUT, I want the skunk to keep her fucking stink far away from me.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 05:54 PM (d/hxi)

372 The double entendre Star Wars quotes were hilarious.

Posted by: Dr. Spank at November 13, 2009 05:54 PM (GGgoa)

373
Cannonball Run had a great cast. Perhaps the greatest ensemble in cinematic history. Everyone in it is an icon.

But Caddyshack was a great comedy with a lot of stars, too. Rodney Dangerfield, Ted Knight, and the priest who yells, "Ohhh, rat farts!" Who could ask for more?




Posted by: Tweet beats dead horses at November 13, 2009 05:55 PM (JY1gZ)

374 296 About women hating one another: I'd rather turn tricks than work in an office again.
Cut. Jib. Newsletter.

Posted by: FUBAR at November 13, 2009 05:55 PM (fstYb)

375 That strict mercenary self-interest in all things is somehow elevated
to a virtue, and any deviation from that, a sign of weakness.You're damn straight . . .

Posted by: Ayn Rand

There's that je ne sais quoi again!

Posted by: Winston Smith at November 13, 2009 05:56 PM (MFbfZ)

376 358 #325 Monty I think I love you but I'm still not speaking to you which makes me the perfect woman. Make him guess why .
Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 13, 2009 05:36 PM (vKdhq)
Because my mouth is full. My husband told me this is the best way to not speak to a man you love. Am I not doing this right?

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 05:59 PM (G/rFS)

377 It was obvious that the insiders were trying to revamp her...study her up...basically trying pull the wool over peoples eyes, when none of that was necessary. And it gave the opposition (the media) the time to catch its breath and devise a counter strategy.

I think the McCain camp realized immediately that Sarah was much more popular than McCain would ever hope to be. They saw the same fire we saw. So they knew they had to subdue and eventually try to destroy her.

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 13, 2009 06:01 PM (WAAGu)

378 you want us to think you have what it takes to be President of the United States?

It's the typical double standard. Nobody argued (or argues) that Joe Biden had to make "us think he has what it takes to be President of the United States." (In fact, does any sentient being in the United States believe he does?) But, then, he wasn't running for President of the United States. Oh, wait, neither was Palin. But since she's a woman I guess Althouse holds her to a higher standard?

Posted by: jdp at November 13, 2009 06:02 PM (Xhi8G)

379 @ 125-
Sarah W. - have been reading your posts here, and they seem to have a familiar flavor to them. You're one of the Mitt Romney supporters, right?

Posted by: Minnie Rodent at November 13, 2009 06:03 PM (PZLW0)

380 " Purge this dipshit. I don't want the skunk inside
the tent pissing OUT, I want the skunk to keep her fucking stink far
away from me.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff"

I don't think she is in the tent. Or ever was. In fact, I think she makes a point of ensuring that she isn't in the tent. I have no idea why, because she's often expressed opinions and values that are simply incompatible with the democrats and Obama. She's just being obnoxious so that she gets as many blogs to link her. She's totally unserious.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 06:04 PM (3Okxb)

381 Because my mouth is full. My husband told me this is the best way to not speak to a man you love. Am I not doing this right?

WINNAH!!!!*



*tread lightly, though. You're close to the edge.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 06:05 PM (xGIqT)

382 I don't want to misrepresent her. She is very critical of Obama, and that does distinguish her from many on the academic Left (and the Left in general), but nonetheless she continues to assert that she'd vote the same way, mainly because she didn't "trust" McCain.

Don't struggle too hard to make sense of it. It doesn't make sense.

Posted by: Kensington at November 13, 2009 06:06 PM (kSpSZ)

383 I was worried about that but couldn't resist. I'll manfully accept the consequences. Or is that too sexist?

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 06:07 PM (G/rFS)

384 Ouch. Ace just gave Althouse a major league smack down.

Posted by: Edge at November 13, 2009 06:08 PM (MBh6O)

385 @389

She's been promoting herself as a conservative blogger for years.

She voted for Obama and would do so again.

The fuck out my tent, smelly.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff at November 13, 2009 06:09 PM (xGIqT)

386 It is funny, though: she admits in her "Sarah Palin is Dumb" thread that she voted for Gore and Dukakis but not Kerry.

Imagine that! What does that say about Kerry?

Posted by: Kensington at November 13, 2009 06:09 PM (kSpSZ)

387 Because my mouth is full. My husband told me this is the best way to not speak to a man you love. Am I not doing this right?
Sure, baby, sure. But when you talk it sort of ruins it, you know? So, you know...back to work.

I kid. I'd never be much of a misogynist anyway. I love women too much to really hate them, if that makes any sense. Plus they've got my number (boy, have they got it, area code and all). I am helpless before their power.

Posted by: Monty at November 13, 2009 06:11 PM (nTxjg)

388 Am I not doing this right?


Depends ..... what's it's got in it's moutheses ?

Posted by: Bill D. Cat at November 13, 2009 06:12 PM (vKdhq)

389 I think that Althouse is one of those people who imagines herself to be in middle politically, but finds herself having to tack left or tack right in order to keep herself in this sacred spot. So all she does is react mindlessly to trends.

She's an idiot.

Posted by: qrstuv at November 13, 2009 06:15 PM (7sOTX)

390
Althouse is like so many educated feminists, constantly unhappy, confused and so lost.

She reminds me of the lonely Dowd.

How about women in this country stop being so f'in mercenary like you mention above, and simply think of others more instead of themselves.

Where's the love?

Posted by: Sapwolf at November 13, 2009 06:17 PM (70pPH)

391 #388 HAHAHHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHA.

BWHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHHAHA!

no,

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 06:20 PM (CSrvi)

392 #388 and no some more.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 06:21 PM (CSrvi)

393 #290 - Sarah
However true it might be that Palin was a fool to get mixed up with the likes of Mc., it's not a big selling point for her now to say how she bought into any such delusion, is it? It's one thing to go with the interviews her "Boss" wants her to; it's another to buy into fantasy that Couric will be not only fair but sympathetic on Wallace's say-so.
I didn't say she was a fool to get mixed up with McC. Let's look at the timeline - she accepts the invite to be VP. What's she supposed to say when afforded the opportunity of a lifetime? Screw you, Mac? She probably had no friggin idea who Wallace was except as a trusted associate of McC. How was she to know Wallace was a backstabbing weasel? You're looking at this in the glory of 20/20 hindsight.....

Posted by: Paulie in AZ at November 13, 2009 06:23 PM (WueVH)

394 399 I think that Althouse is one of those people who imagines herself to be in middle politically, but finds herself having to tack left or tack right in order to keep herself in this sacred spot. So all she does is react mindlessly to trends.She's an idiot.

As are all "moderates" IMHO.

Posted by: Iamnotanalcoholic at November 13, 2009 06:25 PM (WAAGu)

395 Posted by: Shaun Stuart at November 13, 2009 05:51 PM (JTd0h)

I think that McCain employed moles who were from the BO camp. And, he gave them the job of dealing with Palin. when they saw the reaction to Palin and they saw that McCain's campaign might pick up steam they had to do something so they canned Palin and proceeded to try and dissect her so she wouldn't be herself, wouldn't be who she is. Poor Palin, had she realized this might have reacted a lot sooner but she didn't. The turncoat and total failure here is McCain, not Palin.

Did you not see the night where McCain endorsed BO for prez? McCain is not a republican, even I, an independent, can see that. McCain is really a dem and not even a conservative dem. At least his bestest friend, Joe Lieberman had the class to go independent. Somewhere along the line McCain realized that he didn't want the job and decided to make sure everyone knew, would have been much classier had he warned Sarah Palin about this ahead of time. Maybe her decisions would have been different.

This is a little off topic...but lindsey gra sham....apparently was critical of the prez and fox reported that he was told to "shut up" until he has a chance to talk to the prez personally. Was busy doing a lot of stuff so not sure what issue this was about....but seriously??? What will meeting with the president do to change gram sham's mind?

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 06:32 PM (p302b)

396 #235 JimK

"McCain was afraid of being upstaged by Palin. Therefore his campaign staffers decided to hide her from the friendly press, i.e. Fox and friends. It's as simple as that."

I think that is true.

Posted by: SarahW at November 13, 2009 06:34 PM (CSrvi)

397 "She's been promoting herself as a conservative blogger for years.





She voted for Obama and would do so again.





The fuck out my tent, smelly.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff"

This is true. Though I have to admit, I barely ever read her. She says she's a conservative, just to the point where she can then do some shocker post. She does the exact same thing to liberals, though.

It's not a big deal. She's not in anyone's tent except the clown one.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 06:34 PM (3Okxb)

398 Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 05:40 PM

Thanks for the reply.

I think you really risk hurting your credibility with all women, including this woman who was hired into one of the top biophysics faculty groups in the country, when you make those "affirmative action" assertions.

I am completely opposed to affirmative action, it is nothing more than reverse discrimination given a palatable name, but it exists. And it hangs around the necks of all of us professional women, qualified or not, like an albatross.

That's not your problem, of course, and I'm not asking for your tears... but after years of living with that crap, it does make it harder to pay any attention to someone who makes what you admit to be an unprovable assertion. So I almost wrote you off. Which is why it is great that you replied.

Let's face it, hiring -- particularly in the faculty ranks -- is a grossly irrational process. I know, I've been on those committees. Academics break every friggin' HR practice in the book when they do a search. So singling out that a gal's gender helped her -- when so many other factors (having nothing to do with "qualifications") help others -- in an already really flawed process is a little silly.

I think we both agree on one thing, though. Althouse's qualifications for a faculty slot at U Wisconsin are infinitely better than Obama's were when the U of C tried to recruit him.

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 06:37 PM (sey23)

399 Her and Peggy Noonan should just retire. Is anyone out there reading them anymore. Peggy should just wax poetic about her years with raegan as a guest on various programs and just cease and desist.

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 06:38 PM (p302b)

400 *tread lightly, though. You're close to the edge.

That's close to the edge? On another thread one of the morons posted a link to a full frontal pic of a naked (fat) dude in Spiderman paint, but this post is close to the edge? I don't think so!

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 06:43 PM (sey23)

401 There are plenty of women who beat out men who were more qualified because of affirmative action. A lot of women have gotten very far on little brains and talent, because of affirmative action. Affirmative Action, per Clarence Thomas, has had its run At this point jobs and college spots and graduate school spots need to be given based on ability and talent and intellect. this way we won't hear anyone complaining that they got there with affirmative action but they don't want it "handing around their neck like an albatross".

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 06:43 PM (p302b)

402 I was fully prepared to vote for McCain until he decided to pander to the so-called "base" by selecting an incoherent religious fundamentalist. It showed extremly poor judgement in a time of war and made it impossible for me to support him.

...so I sat this one out (wouldn't vote for Obama in a million years). Republicans needed to lose though...to wake the hell up. It remains to be seen, however, what will become of them. It wouldn't suprise me to see some sort obscene Huckabee/Palin ticket, considering what has become of the party. But who knows...perhaps sanity will prevail...perhaps the worst is yet to come.

Posted by: notagain at November 13, 2009 06:48 PM (DcfJz)

403 Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 06:43 PM

I am opposed to affirmative action.

My point was that if you have sat on a faculty search committee and gone through the interview process you'd realize that affirmative action is not the only - or even the major - thing wrong with the process. It is wrong-headed to focus on that and sloppy to apply it to all women... unless you can prove it (which is hard to do unless you were part of the hiring process).

Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 06:49 PM (sey23)

404 Ace: Only Dean coulda got away with using "Chalk" as a verb. He was just that cool.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2009 06:54 PM (Zj8fM)

405 My opinion of Althouse has been severely damaged ever since she busted out in tears at some symposium over an intellectualdiscussionabout the legacy ofPlessy vs. Ferguson and called everyone racists.

Posted by: Entropy at November 13, 2009 06:57 PM (cok/k)

406 Affirmative action has caused more damage to minorities and women than it has helped.It hascaused untold amounts of damage to white men. It has allowed those less qualified in over those 'non-minority' men who are more qualified. It has boosted those equally qualified as the above-mentioned men at the expense of these men (How they will fit in and work within the group system is a far more important factor then what sex or color you are). And has demeaned those who are more qualified than those same men.
The question always looms; were they hired because of their minority/gender status? Not fair to any of the people involved and is, in my opinion, unequivocably unconstitutional regardless of past history. Causes resentment and balkanization.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 07:00 PM (G/rFS)

407 Posted by: Y-not at November 13, 2009 06:49 PM (sey23)\\

Y not.

I think the reason the dems/libs think they can make a law for everything is because there is such rampant corruption extant in all these processes and they see it. Problem is the laws just make everything worse. Would be nice if people were able to have character and honor and would just do the right thing. Sadly that isn't happening anywhere. I know academia, the public and private school systems, congress, heck the list is a mile long. Many of these venues and the way things are conducted would make a mafia don blush.

Problem with these affirmative action/feminist broads is that they are now in charge of things, important things. And, they ahven't grown one iota, they are still the same mindless ninnies they were in their twenties. They don't recognize that the world ahs changed and the "fight" is over, at least for the women who followed them. Sometimes I think this country is such a mess cause of these affirmative action women.

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 07:01 PM (p302b)

408 Althouse is acting all butt-hurt vis-a-vis Palin because the candidate she did back is proving to be a complete and total disaster. This is a preemtive attack to bring Palin down and make her own monumental lapse in judgement more palatable to herself and her readers.

Posted by: U.S.S. Yorktown at November 13, 2009 07:01 PM (5RlWq)

409 What will meeting with the president do to change gram sham's mind?
He will see the crease in Barry's pants personally and become instantly seduced into putting on a blue dress andfetching the cigar box.

No I'm not saying that's what they think, I'm saying that's what will happen.

Posted by: Entropy at November 13, 2009 07:04 PM (cok/k)

410 Recommend to all: Who Stole Feminism by Christia Hoff Sommers. An oldie but terrific.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 07:05 PM (G/rFS)

411 Who Stole Feminism
Who Gives A Damn?
Bah humbug.

Posted by: Entropy at November 13, 2009 07:08 PM (cok/k)

412 Y-not,

You're right... I have to admit my anonymity is part of why I'm willing to openly discuss my assertion that Althouse is an AA hire. It's plain to me in that case, but I realize that a lot of people could have succeeded without AA, and possibly didn't even benefit from it, but are tarnished.

My wife, actually, shares your problem. You have the right POV on this. AA is destructive in a lot of insidious ways. In Althouse's case, though, it's bad because it got someone into an unqualified job that they can't be fired from. Her behavior whenever race or sex is brought up is over sensitive, and her legal analysis is always very aloof.

Anyway, I think you have a great point, and I hope you didn't misinterpret my comment. I know a lot of genius women, blacks, etc. Some of them benefited from AA, but none of them needed it and none of them deserve to be bashed.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 07:10 PM (3Okxb)

413 What makes me so angry with these pseud feministas is that they wanted women to be able to have it all, have the kids, keep the hubby happy and hold down a prestigious job. So, in comes Sarah palin, Mom to 5 kids, one special needs, hot hubby who seems pretty well satisfied with their life and great job, Governor of Alaska. So what do these idiots do, they proceed to slice her to shreds....why? cause she did it, she did what they have not been able to do and they despise her for it...this is the sad reality of these old feministas.

Posted by: curious at November 13, 2009 07:10 PM (p302b)

414 It's because they're fucking MUNDANE, woman! Put it in a kick-ass or humorous format and I'll take it to my grave.

Posted by: Empire of Jeff

Whenever my husband gets distracted or pretends not to hear me, I use my best Sean Connery voice (which is, uh, not that great), smack him in the ass, and declare, "Man talk". Makes him laugh ever time. Especially since he's a foot taller and 80 pounds heavier than I am.


Posted by: Delicious Lead Paint at November 13, 2009 07:11 PM (5Ykni)

415 Entropy, the chapter about the academic feminist conference she went to where they all had to sing songs and give themselves hugs and talk to a stuffed animal about their ouch moments or some crap like that is hilarious and frightening. A bunch of spoiled, resentful pre-schoolers who wield real power.
Feminism was not always a load of leftwing garbage. It is in the left's nature to infiltrate and take over groups.

Posted by: Cindy in San Diego at November 13, 2009 07:15 PM (G/rFS)

416 Feminism was not always a load of leftwing garbage.
I find this difficult to fathom.

Posted by: Entropy at November 13, 2009 07:21 PM (cok/k)

417 Who cares what Althouse thinks? Take away Insty's 4 links a day to the point ofnausea and she's just another know-nothing blogger. Like me.

Posted by: Velociman at November 13, 2009 07:31 PM (HM7AV)

418 comment #136 = awesome!

Posted by: Girl Thursday at November 13, 2009 07:44 PM (TyJNm)

419 Or, I'm full of shit.
Posted by: Sharkman at November 13, 2009 05:21 PM (Zj8fM)
---
Let's go with that one. "Chalk left" or "Chalk right" in this context just means "you need to turn left" or "you need to turn right".
Don't really know what the derivation of it is, butGoogle for "Hopping Onto Mr. Hertzberg’s Wild Ride" foran example in print (and the person saying it doesn't even know why they say it instead of "turn").
With that understanding, Dean's comment makes perfect sense.

Posted by: VekTor at November 13, 2009 07:44 PM (5zVVd)

420 412
"I was fully prepared to vote for McCain until he decided to pander to
the so-called "base" by selecting an incoherent religious
fundamentalist. It showed extremly poor judgement in a time of war and
made it impossible for me to support him."

I'm sure you were, pal. Voted the straight Republican ticket every four years your whole life until the abomination in 2008, right?

Thanks for sharing your "concern."

Posted by: qrstuv at November 13, 2009 07:48 PM (7sOTX)

421 So what do these idiots do, they proceed to slice her to
shreds....why? cause she did it, she did what they have not been able
to do and they despise her for it...this is the sad reality of these
old feministas.

This.

Posted by: toby928 at November 13, 2009 07:52 PM (PD1tk)

422 I think there is a lot of good criticism to be had about Palin Obama in other ways. She is, in fact, inexperienced, especially for the job of President

FTFY.

I know. yaddayaddayadd. I'm a racist!!!elevently!1!!!1!

Posted by: Ace at November 13, 2009 08:08 PM (4iIhs)

423 Whoops. Sock off.

Posted by: Che Pizza at November 13, 2009 08:09 PM (4iIhs)

424 Anybodywho voted for that worthless shithead mistake of mine Obama-what's-his-assin 2008 has to repent for their sins by first mailing me $200 in cash (in small unmarked bills), and then blowing their fucking head off.
I'llforgive them.
NOT!

Posted by: G-d Almighty at November 13, 2009 08:30 PM (YDVKC)

425 I haven't read all the comments, so if this has been said, well...tuff shit.
All Palin did was trust N. Wallace. Wallace portrayed herself as a friend of Couric's, and led Sarah to believe that doing an interview with her would be good for Sarah the campaign. Wallace, also, convinced Palin that it would help Couric. Why would Sarah believe that Wallace would try to throw her under the bus? You may believe that it was just being naive on Sarah's part, but you should be able to trust, at least somewhat, the people that are supposed to be trying to help you win.
The real problem with thisis that Wallace is a conniving little bitch, as we saw after the campaign when she went outof her way to talk trash about Sarah. I mean why take the blame for running a POS campaign when you can blame it on Palin? If you don't do that, then you can't keep putting yourself out there as someone with even half a freakin' brain.
Wallace, Scmidt all the others that had a hand inthat sorry-ass campaign are the ones to blame, but they will continue to drive that bus right over Sarah. If they can't marginalize Sarah, it only comes back to bite them in the ass eventually, and you just don't do that to the so-called Beltway insiders.
All of them just pieces of shit. *spit*

Posted by: Steph at November 13, 2009 08:36 PM (n6W3C)

426 One more thing...Palin has every right to tell her side of the story. People have been talking pure BS about her for the last year. Don't you think she has the right to fight back?
Maybe George B. should have stood up for himself a little more...

Posted by: Steph at November 13, 2009 08:40 PM (n6W3C)

427 297 "Althouse actively tries to be obnoxious sometimes."

Ha ha ha! And don't I know it!

Posted by: Meade at November 13, 2009 08:48 PM (pPOzf)

428 Sarah got rolled by the national political-industrial complex during the '08 campaign. Okay,she was new to the scene and she fucked up by trusting the McCain staffers and the lamestream media. However, she's also quit as governor and has gotten into a public pissing contest with her daughter's no good ex-boyfriend. I like the gal, she has moxie, but she's fresh out of screwups. The book tour and subsequent events have to be pretty much on the mark if she's going to participate in national politics.

Posted by: trentk269 at November 13, 2009 08:51 PM (i6cFP)

429 The gracious Lady has a fascinating salon that is in actuality focused on her guests. The hostess guides the conversation of her guests and the guests are the center of the salon. The guests enjoy themselves and look forward to return another day to a lively conversation. Reading this blog one would think that she was Fanny Skeffington. She is not...

Posted by: RLB_IV at November 13, 2009 09:13 PM (dv4LN)

430 I'm getting the feeling that the republicans are getting ready to pay old newt back with the nomination for the next president. Ergo, they are giving BO another term. There are too many people in power in the Republican party who deride Sarah Palin and if you put them together with all the libs and dems well, the criticism will be insurmountable.

Besides, if she is going to make millions just being herself then she ought to skip the presidency and have her impact in other ways.

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Posted by: jason at November 13, 2009 09:22 PM (i1eiU)

432 Sarah Palin says, "Hang 'em High."
Any word from Mitt or the Huckster?
Iwas reallyexpecting Mitty to take a strong stance like he did on the surge in Iraq. Mikey, on the other hand, was probablytoo busy playingthe bass in support ofsome D-listcrooner - (for the thirty people Fox pays to sit in his studio audience.)
If we're going to ditch the beautiful Mrs. P., perhaps we should consider nominating a guy whose chemical makeup includes traces of testosterone. Rudy may be a philandering sleazeball, but at least he has a functioning penis and a a pair of dangling man-chimes. I wish I could say the same for the rest of the limp-dicked wonders the GOP has put forward.

Posted by: stickety at November 13, 2009 10:03 PM (Jg5C9)

433 They aren't taking this very seriously over at Althouse blog.

Posted by: David at November 13, 2009 10:17 PM (pZi6W)

434 Will Palin get the nomination? I think it's far from certain. But she will influence it quite a bit. That's great news. I think Palin's presence will force us to pick someone who can fight.

Posted by: The Nobel Peace Prize Committee (NPPC) at November 13, 2009 10:26 PM (3Okxb)

435 Ace is one hell of a manly man, that's for fucking sure!

Posted by: Brian72 at November 13, 2009 10:53 PM (Z/W42)

436 17 "You didn't need to write such a long analysis, Ace. The article was just a piece of mind-boggling bullshit."
Seriously... you had me at "d--ks f-- a--s" "hello"!

Just kidding. The additional coverage was worthy in its own right; great stuff.

Posted by: RD at November 13, 2009 11:02 PM (2EpoB)

437 "The problem is that most feminists DO think that you have to act like an overbearing asshole all the time in order to assert yourself and break through the barriers, yada, yada, yada. And they fervently believe that this is the way MEN act to get ahead, so they're emulating it."

Much like white trash behaves when they get serious money for the first time, and think that the rich all go around in fur coats and spats and top hats screaming abuse at their servants. For example, Leona Helmsley.

Posted by: John Skookum at November 13, 2009 11:11 PM (4Gvu1)

438 "Me, I will fight to the last man and if it means it is me and Palin in the Alamo alone, then that is fine with me."

There will be three of us.

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Posted by: wil at November 13, 2009 11:22 PM (uPnG4)

440 I love Althouse's creativity and wit. Today, though, reading her post claiming that Sarah herself tells us she's dumb, I couldn't help but feel she was being bitchy in an unnecessarily cattyand—ack!—Andrew Sullivan kind of way. I found it excessive, though I took several of her points. Ace's post says it all for me while extendingthoughtful, adequate respect. Excellent.

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Posted by: wil at November 13, 2009 11:32 PM (uPnG4)

442 I like Sarah Palin a lot, but Sarah definitely made some mistakes and not all of them can be blamed on "the other other" McCain staffers like the Bald Headed Daddy Warbucks Wannabee Steve Schmidt or his spider woman henchbitch Nicole Wallace(although quite a lot can). Meanwhile, talking about henchbitchesalin Uterus Obsessed? Sullivan goes off on some fantasy of being sued and violated by Sarah Palin. I swear to God, I think Sully has a crush on Sarah, but the attraction of the vagina freaks him out so he gets uberbitchy.

Posted by: Joe at November 14, 2009 12:57 AM (0Gde6)

443 Hey, VekTor:
Perhaps read what I wrote,wherein I said that "Chalk Left" essentially means "look left". I arrived at that conclusion by knowing the context Dean was using it in, and starting with the definition of "Chalk" that I know from the military.
So, I may be full of shit, but I logic'd it out all by my self without having to Google the incomprehensible name of an obscure play (novel?,script?, who knows? Itdoesn't Google to a decent link).
And, you missed theSammy Davis EYE joke, which was the whole reason I even wrote about the subject in the first place.
Thanks for your help.

Posted by: Sharkman at November 14, 2009 01:09 AM (Zj8fM)

444 Obviously, the just-fresh-picked VP nominee is going to do the media and events chosen by the head of the ticket. You don't really get a vote on that.
The big mistake by the McCain/Palin campaign wasn't in granting the MSM interviews with Gibson and Couric - Sarah did well enough in both of them if viewed in toto - but by allowing them to be taped and edited. In both cases, the editing was done to accentuate Palin weak points and make her look bad.
This habit of the liberal media wasn't something new at all. Remember that in 1988 then-VP George H.W. Bush granted an interview to Dan Rather on condition it be conducted live on the air, and he made Rather look like a fool. Any chance those exchanges would have survived editing?
Trust everybody, but always cut the cards.

Posted by: Adjoran at November 14, 2009 02:33 AM (jmoP/)

445 Yeah, Outhouse was being an ass. I said something about it. See here. The woman votes Democrat and insults Palin....and she's a Conservative. Yeah, Okay, SURE!

Posted by: Pat at November 14, 2009 03:35 AM (UODJq)

446 I seem to see Ann Althouse's rant differently.

Ann picks a passage from "Going Rogue: An American Life" that describes the typical relationship between a professional and a client (much like the relationship of a lawyer and client) then proceeds to invoke the "Otter defense" .. You fucked up - you trusted us!

Does Ann treat her clients (or students) this way ? Are they all "dumb" as well ?

Frankly, it shows just how unprofessional the McCain campaign staff really was, that they would jerk her around like this.

Posted by: Neo at November 14, 2009 03:46 AM (tE8FB)

447 Althouse confirmed her stupidity when she voted for Obama, so her opinions on, pretty much ANYTHING are suspect at best.

Her judgement and credibility, especially now that said Moron in Chief (whom she voted for) and his Sub-Moronic AG have decided to bring the 9/11 terrorists here to the U.S. and try them in civilian courts, with rights generally reserved for American citizens are not even suspect anymore, they're shot to shit.

Have fun in obscurity, Annie.

Posted by: SuperCool at November 14, 2009 04:21 AM (chNlj)

448 She is dumb. I'm just not so sure the incidents you mention (actually, the ones Althouse mentions) really prove that point.

Posted by: railwriter at November 14, 2009 06:34 AM (daRzV)

449 Kind of contradictory by definition isn't it?Only if you're completely ignorant.Posted by: Susan B Anthony at November 13, 2009 04:38 PM


Susan B Anthony fought for the equal right to vote so that the female would NOT be forced into ripping out her womb whereas Feminists ripped out the womb to force equalization.


Susan B Anthony is, by definition, a contradiction of Feminism.

Feminism has little to do with the female any more than Environmentalism has to do with conservation and more than Gayism has to do with homosexuality; all are simply means to justifying the end, that being, revolution of the State.

Feminism, Environment, Gayism are tools of tyrannical Statism.

Susan B Anthony completely contradicts Statist tools.

Posted by: syn at November 14, 2009 07:05 AM (ZjEOd)

450 She is dumb. I'm just not so sure the incidents you mention (actually, the ones Althouse mentions) really prove that point.Posted by: railwriter at November 14, 2009
Railwriter, everyone knows how dumb you are however you are funny; perhaps Professor Althouse could help indoctrinate by degree then you too can be Ivy-Inbred.

Posted by: syn at November 14, 2009 07:11 AM (ZjEOd)

451 I enjoy reading Althouse......frequently don't agree with her. But let us use the prism through which she wishes us to view Gov. Palin and take a look at Althouse's life. In the last election she tended to lean towards McCain until her young son told her obama was where it was at! Young, hip, with it.....go mama! So she voted for obama. Next, some divorced man, writing in her comments section, catches her eye, she communicates with him for a SHORT period of time, flies off to meet him, becomes engaged during that FIRST meeting, SHORTLY thereafter she marries him in a hilltop with some person they picked up in a local village presiding (hope she checked his license). She has had quite a whirl for herself these last few months and, judging by what I just wrote and how I phrased it, would you take her thoughts seriously?

Posted by: J at November 14, 2009 08:36 AM (T3/qP)

452 I think my number one criticism of Palin, whom I actually like a good deal, is a fools-rush-in quality to her confidence that puts her in hard spots from time to time. Other's may like her sailing into things without overthinking them, but I've always thought it was her achilles heel. That's one reason Althouse's criticism (as I read it) resonates.

That fools-rush-in quality you see in Palin is something I see in Obama more. Since he is aligned ideologically with the media, he can relax around them with the campaign officially over. He is still in campaign mode, because it's all he knows. But even a couple questions about Wright or Ayers was more than he felt comfortable answering. "OK, I've answered like eight questions now. Let me eat my waffles."

Palin is comfortable in her own skin, confident, courteous and has no problem discussing issues with people who may hold different opinions. That is not what the Couric or Gibson interviews were. A little bias is to be expected, but outright hostility? Couric and Gibson were unprofessional. Someone with a journalism degree obviously respects the important role the news media plays in our nation and would expect, at least, journalistic integrity.

Maybe you are cynical enough to think believing our media is truthful, for the most part, is naive and ridiculous. Maybe you think only the harshest interpretation of societal rules apply to Palin only, as Ace said.

But Palin went into an interview three days into the campaign at the McCain campaign's behest trying to do her job and articulate McCain's convoluted message. The questions for the Couric interview were written by Sam Nunn precisely to expose any areas where McCain and Palin might disagree. It was opposition research for the Obama campaign. They were looking for ways Palin's words might be used to discredit McCain and also in a way that Palin could be caricatured as Caribou Barbie, a dumb hood ornament at a trade show for a pathetic, lecherous old man rather than dignified war hero.

Even that might be acceptable to you, though I think it crosses a line beyond bias when you're actually parroting one candidate's attack ads. But then there was the editing and the constant playing of clips that evolved into SNL parodies.

As for fools-rush-in, though, I still don't believe Palin would make the same mistakes Obama made with everything from the beer summit to negotiations with Russia and Iran. Palin has a strong moral code and objectivity that Obama lacks. Obama tends to think of himself first and seeks approval from more dangerous sorts than Couric and Gibson. Search for "breakdancer kicks baby in the face" on YouTube, and you will see what I'm getting at.

Posted by: Tattoo DePlane at November 14, 2009 09:57 AM (VLYnh)

453 Men don't see it as an ideal to be aspired to that we get our way on everything and show no interest whatsoever in compromise and balancing respective interests.
Oh yeah?

Posted by: Barack "I WON" Obama at November 14, 2009 10:13 AM (cuNX0)

454 actually, in a sort of baby boomer apotheosis, althouse and her beau married *themselves* on a hilltop in CO right after obtaining a license.

Posted by: kathleen at November 14, 2009 11:51 AM (mKixS)

455 ALTHOUSE VOTED FOR OBAMA.

NUFF SAID.

WITHOUT GLENN'S LINKAGE SHE'D HAVE NEVER BEEN ANYTHING ION THE BLOGOSHERE.

SHE IS AWFUL.

Posted by: reliapundit at November 14, 2009 02:35 PM (UhYZh)

456 "In order to prove you are the equal of your husband, you can and
should make him go without sex for up to an entire year, or more, if
that's what your free-thinking independent-minded heart desires."

Yuh. I might go without sex for up to an entire year with HER.

Posted by: Boss Mongo at November 14, 2009 04:47 PM (l1Fhv)

457 If my wife denied me sex for more than three months without a DMANED good "medical" reason I would:
1. be nicemdestly affectionate, and polite around her
2. move as many assets as possible, up to 50% of the shared wealth, into accounts that she could not access
3. Hire a PI to see what she's doing
4. Once all the above wasdone I'd mentioncasually and a bit sadly that I don't feel the way about her that I used to and I'm just not really that attracted to her anymore and I often wonder if our marriage wasn't a mistake and BTW I probablywon't be home on most weekends anymore.

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