Pathetic.  Not just that we're even able to define his treatment as 'torture', but this is the first of many squishes in the Bush administration that will be so called whistle blowing.

If we've dumbed down the definition of the word 'torture', then I am being tortured every day that I see Schumer, Dodd, Pelosi in office.  Not to mention the new thug overlord, B-Ho and his merry pranksters.

Sorry this may sound sexist but you can't have a woman make an accurate determination on what is torture for a man just as a man cannot make an accurate detemination on what is torture for a woman.  

Well said. I have more sympathy for the squirrel I accidentally ran over a few months ago than I do for whatsisfuck.

And again I must rail against the legal definition of torture. He was treated harshly, and rightly so, but at no time was he subjected to power drills in his kneecaps, wrists and elbows, and he never had his fingers smashed repeatedly, he didn't have eyes gouged out, nor he was slowly skinned with a filet knife. Fuck the legal definition. Torture is maiming out of pure glee or malice and serves only to prolong the pain before inevitable death. We don't do that. They do that!

They think standing naked in front of a female is torture? Yeah, maybe for her. Ditto everything Drew M. said...their job is to prevent another 9/11, and I care not if the animals responsible or ones that would carry out such attacks are a little uncomfortable as they're questioned.

Another thing. If you want to test some leftist who believes basically any non physical harsh interrogation technique is torture, ask them whether they would have any problem in administering a drug that will make the detainee tell the truth with the only side effect being flu like symptom for 48hrs.  They will stammer for a second trying to think of a reason why this would be bad before they give up and just say it is torture just because it is.

Not to be too legalistic, but I think the proper name is "Give a Shit-o-meter".

Anyway, back to the point, it's not like we gave him the 'atomic wedgie' or a 'swirlie', so what's the problem?

alexthechick at January 14, 2009 10:45 AM (SHHaV

I  agree that there is obvious torture that can be discerned by both men and women. I'm talking about the differences in the mental and physcial ability to withstand certain expanded interrogation techniques between men and women.  I venture to say that a woman undergoing these interrogation techniques would break down faster than a man in most cases.

Gee, when I was a triathlete back in the day, I was proud of a resting heart rate of 43-48 BPM. 

So really, we're not just making more terrorists, we're also making them stronger and fitter.  Fuck 'em.  I'm sure my friend Mark would love to have a heart rate at all, but thanks to this fuckwad's buddies that ain't gonna happen.

Load 'em all on a C17 and drop them off at home.  From 10,000 feet.  If allah wills it, they'll survive both the fall and the sudden stop at the bottom.  But prolly not. 

Sorry this may sound sexist but

My first thought was that this is why you shouldn't have civilians or women involved in this kind of crap.

was told that his mother and sister were whores

We aren't supposed to use this kind of treatment on terrorists yet this kind of language is used on Sarah Palin and her children daily.  Hypocrites.

As I said earlier, I throw the bullshit flag and I expect to see a lot more of this shit in the coming weeks and months. I expect quite a few “tell-all” books as well in a few months. At least with those you can pretty much determine what the motive for all the lies and spin is.

The question here is what is her motive? Is she trying to set up an “I was against it” defense if the Obamites decide that she was an organizer for torture? We do know that the Dems have promised many show trials and investigations for what they see as Bush infractions.

One thing to remember about this woman is that she is the evil person that caused the Gitmo Lawyer to resign because she was so bad on the terrorists.

The other thing that gets me is that there is already talk that the assholes who were aggressively questioned will most likely walk because the evidence can not be used in court and the SCOTUS in their infinite wisdom decided that Gitmo was U.S. soil. Given that, and the fact that no other country wants these scum within their borders, we may even have to turn them loose inside our borders.

AngelEm at January 14, 2009 11:10 AM (tbIup)

I'm with ya sister.

ZOMG! They called his Mommie a what?!?

This means AOSHQ flamewars are war crimes.

Qahtani "was told that his mother and sister were whores."

And, if he is allowed to return to his home he will gladly kill his mother and sister to protect his family honor.

Not a single action in the entire tale is torture. Is it harsh treatment? Is it humiliation? Yes. IT IS NOT TORTURE!

Fucking candy-ass lawyers who got their feelings hurt during fraternity and sorority hazings should not be defining what constitutes torture.

Forty-eight of 54 consecutive days of 18-to-20-hour interrogations.

This sentence makes no sense to me.   Either it's 48 consecutive days, or 54 non-consecutive days, unless I'm missing the "logic" in her "America is bad, Muslims are good" dhimmitude argument.  (Which is what it ultimately comes down to.)

As for this ass being "tortured" I, along with the others here, don't give a broken damn with a dent in the side panel.

by now they know that they are the Untouchables, and no real harm will come to them

You know they're all sitting in their cells laughing their butts off at us.  And planning their revenge when they get out.

If someone is going to claim torture it's too bad that we didn't go for the gold. I mean, if people really want to see torture I'm sure that we could deliver it in spades. The possibilities are truly endless if you put the right sick fuck in charge of said torture.

That being said, I really don't give a shit about this fuck. I'm sure we've extracted everything we can from him. Why is he still alive? And he isn't worthy of prosecution because of perceived torture? I know a LOT of people who would think otherwise. Something tells me they'd all still find him worthy of prosecution if they'd ripped off his fingers and toes one by one while playing catch with his testicles.

sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold, leaving him in a "life-threatening condition."

This is what internet porn does to you.

Joshua H. Christoferson!  If insulting mothers is "legally" torture, they gon' have ta lock up half the population of all the inner cities!  (Yo mamma so fat, yo momma so loose....)

Yo momma so hairy bigfoot takes pictures of her

That POS better be thanking whichever false deity he prays to that I wasn't in charge of his "interrogation".

"You've read the report, I start with the right eye.." Jack Bauer.

Yo momma is so ugly even Ted Danson wouldn't fuck her.

(Ted Danson fucked Whoopie Goldberg)

Like one of the guys I flew with in the USAF once said,

"some people just need killing."

hell, I went through worse when I became a Shellback.  And that was under the watchful eye of our commanding officer.  (if I ever find that fat Chief who played the royal baby, i'm gonna kill him) 

Really, we can't use bad words in front of them any more?  I've heard worse at a football game, and that was from the home fans.  Ask a couple guys from SERE about this and they be crying with laughter.  if only they had it so "rough".

I'm so tick off about this shit, it's amazing.  Way to fucking go you douche, Crawford.

I heard on the radio this morning that the terrorists we've released from Gitmo have all returned to their terrorists ways (my words) which as the news clown said presents a dilemma for PE Barry as to what to with the little darlings when he closes Gitmo.

Maybe that GPS chip we stuck up their ass will come in handy to help our UAV drivers improve their aim. The military won't repeat their mistakes.

If the Congress wants a really good revew of Gitmo perhaps they should ask the family's of 9/11 to participate.

Wonder if their definition of torture is the same as some gutless shoe clerk from Washington, D.C.

Setting the stage for investigations into war crimes by the Bush admin.

And you thought winning an election would calm their nary asses down.

If you want to see fucking torture. You should hear what the North Korean government does to their people when they disobey.

These next four years are going to suck. We are going to go back to the way that clinton handled muslim terrorists. Just give them a little slap on the hand. That will teach them a lesson. /sarc

I am going to miss President Bush, yes he pissed me off a lot, but at least he kept me safe.

Is there any evidence that putting a bra on a man leads to information?

This had nothing to do with the interrogation.  Dude just has really big man-tits.

If the Congress wants a really good revew of Gitmo perhaps they should ask the family's of 9/11 to participate

Nah, they're too busy trying to force the erecting of meaningful memorials on privately owned land.

Thank you Sir, may I have another!!

I wonder if dip-shit can still do the tricks we taught him.

Your MOMMA is UGLY and STUPID!

>Standing naked in front of a female agent, was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation, was told that his mother and sister were whores, with a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room  and forced to perform a series of dog tricks.

Some Saudi Princes have paid big money to be treated like this in Paris. I don't see the problem.

These next four years are going to suck.

Yeah! Me sucking Obama's cock. Mmm. Mmm. Sweet, just like terrorist cock. Mmm.

Both sides are talking past one another.  Yes there was torture.  Detainees in Iraq and Afghanistan were beaten to death.  Out of more than 100,000 detainees over the last eight years, there are about thirty deaths that are suspicious, probably some of them are in fact cases of going to far with interrogations.  Torture?  Yeah.  A major crisis, no.  Virtually all of those cases were DoD interrogations or in a few cases CIA officiers working with the DoD in the field.  Shit happens.  Mostly we ignore it because prosecuting it does not help. 

Does it shock my conscience?  Am I sad that al Qaeda scum died in custody?  No, not particularly.  But it was stupid to expand these interrogation techniques to the Department of Defense?  Yes.  Rumsfeld fucked it all up.  This shit led directly to Abu Ghraib and idiotic inbred sexual deviants who decided to photograph their shennanigans.  That was a propaganda failure of epic proportions that almost cost us Iraq.  It hurt Bush's presidency.  It was a major major fuck up.  It cost American lives by firing up the Iraqi insurgency. 

Now let's get to the issue at hand, waterboarding KSM and his ilk by the CIA.  Now I hope these interrogations were professionally done, although if you read Suskind it suggests even these were fucked up.  Again, it does not shock my conscience.  But we are apparently not waterboarding anyone anymore.  It is arguably a form of torture, although a relatively beign one as torture goes. 

So I would prefer getting away from this shit and getting back to old school interrogation, which involved slowly but surely breaking down high value targets we get like KSM with carrots and isolation.  It worked wonders with Saddam.  It would probably work on a KSM (who weakness is his ego).  And in the meantime, I want to get back with not taking al Qaeda captives for the most part.  Send them to allah express from the battlefield and avoid this whole detainee problem. 

These are the same pollyannas that don't like lethal injection for a death sentence, because the "subject may feel a burning sensation for a few seconds" before the subject dies.  Like what was said above:  boo-freakin'-hoo

Libs ALWAYS forget the victims and the crimes

The guy was NOT tortured - he was merely made to be uncomfortable.  I guess you can't play street basketball with him either - he couldn't take the trash talk.

I have no problem with sleep deprivation or extremes of cold and hold (within reason).

But to force a human being (yes, an evil and vile human being) to wear a dog collar and leash and do dog tricks is just sick and unacceptable.

If that is true, then someone needs to be held responsible.

Fire away.

I have no problem with sleep deprivation or extremes of cold and hold (within reason).

SteveMG  --  It is absolutely disgusting that you are okay with that.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  How do you sleep at night you vile little man?

Susan Crawford, who is the person appointed by the administration with charging Gitmo detainees, used the 'T' word.

Bush sure knows how to pick them, doesn't he?

Why do I get the feeling that he picked most of the people in his administration from a list provided by his friend Ted Kennedy?

Does Bush know any conservatives? This man cannot exit the WH soon enough for me. Then we can get back to blaming left-wing policy on the Democrats, which is the natural order of things.

>Standing naked in front of a female agent, was forced to wear a woman's bra and had a thong placed on his head during the course of his interrogation, was told that his mother and sister were whores, with a leash tied to his chains, he was led around the room and forced to perform a series of dog tricks.

A large part of the population of San Francisco has been tortured.

a man standing naked in front of a woman, and having his mommy insulted, is now torture? 

Eliot Spitzer paid good money for that.

I agree with you completely.  But what can you say?  Liberalism is definitely a mental disorder.  May God help us.  I fear we shall lose it all.

*YAWN*

If you want to make friends with Arabs say this: 

Koss um mack.

These helpful phrases are useful too, pretty much all the time. 

Elif air ab dinikh

Elif air ab tizak

Waj ab zibik

Ebn el metnakah

This is a good one to say to a guy who has sisters or his mother with him: 

Bi kem el sharmoota di?

Try them.  I think you will like them. 

"Did someone say, "pear of anguish"?" - don't get too charged up, Excitable Andi.  The thing goes in your mouth, not in your ass. 

Oh, wait . . .

If you want to stop this holy war, start feeding the dead terrorist to Pigs, maybe even a live one now and then. Broadcast on this television to the middle east, I guarantee the recruitment of terrorists will come to a screaming halt when they realize that they will not be getting 70 Virgins, but burning in hell instead. There millions are of feral pigs in the U.S. that need to be eliminated or put some kind of use, I say feed the terrorist to the pigs.

SteveMG  --  It is absolutely disgusting that you are okay with that.  You should be ashamed of yourself.  How do you sleep at night you vile little man?

I sleeep very well thank you.

Sleep deprivation or cold temperature environments (closely monitored to prevent injury) of AQ terrorists are acceptable methods to extract information about imminent attacks.

That treatment on non-terrorists or those who follow GC rules are not acceptable.

Ah, I'll sleep good tonight.

Hell, we should have sawed their heads off.  Now that would be proportionate.

And I still ask:  What numbnut(s) decided terrorists not wearing uniforms or country identity captured on the field of battle (trying to kill our military) were deserving of Geneva Convention protections and a cushy existence (halal meals, etc) in Gitmo?  That's torturing me to this day.

Her expertise is what?  She's a lawyer.

I say we emulate the way FDR handled the Nazi saboteurs.  Harsh interrogation followed by execution.  It took a week, if I recall correctly.   Not a lot of legal or political gamesmanship was involved.  We won that war, which is probably not entirely coincidental.

We are fighting an enemy that doesn't play by the Marquis of Queensbury Rules, and can't find Geneva on a map.

They understand our way of thinking better than we ourselves. They don't hesitate to use children as suicide bombers or human shields.  They've got good occupational experience at torture, mutilation, and gratuitous executions. Feeling sorry for these shit bags is tantamount to weeping over a little humiliation meted out to former Nazis.  Whomever makes the decision to release any of them to pick up where they left off; planting IEDsthat kill American troops, targeting the West, and slaughtering innocent civilians, has a crap factory for a brain. (Read: B. Hussein Obama). He wants to 'negotiate without preconditions'. The Islamofasicts and the rest of the world's malefactors are salivating for a 'change they can believe in'.

If connecting a terrorists' testicles to a 12 volt battery will save American lives, I've two things to say: The RED is POSITIVE. The BLACK is NEGATIVE.

I won't lose one fucking minute's sleep, either.

Uh oh! Looks like those of us who believe Ms. Crawford is a bit mistaken are also war criminals. Don't just take my word for it. So says John Cusack over on Newsbusters.org

I think he's an actor or something. Anyone know where we can contact this guy?

A large part of the population of In San Francisco has been tortured. they call that foreplay. There. Fixed.

Posted by: Curmudgeon at January 14, 2009 01:27 PM (ujg0T)

"A large part of the population of San Francisco has been tortured."

I'd just like to say "outstanding observation" there. You betcha! Naked in front of a female interrogator? Make the interrogator Sarah Palin and they'd all shut up...and come to attention.

If we have to lose three million people as the object lesson that will cause the other three hundred million to recognize the fact we are at war with expansionist Islam

Perhaps they will crash planes into the Trans-America Building in SF.

153 Well, at least he wasn't smeared with fake menstrual blood or draped with an Israeli flag

What an awful thing to do!

To the Israeli flag, that is. I wonder if their version of the flag code has a perscription for when a flag has been irrevocably soiled in such a fashion.

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