Flashback, Oct. 25th: "These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves"

A "McCain aide," who we can now reasonably conclude is the fired Randy Scheunemann, predicted precisely this.

He names names. Schmidt and Wallace.

Are they behind this? I don't know. But he predicted they'd do this. And now it's been done.

Even as John McCain and Sarah Palin scramble to close the gap in the final days of the 2008 election, stirrings of a Palin insurgency are complicating the campaign's already-tense internal dynamics.

Four Republicans close to Palin said she has decided increasingly to disregard the advice of the former Bush aides tasked to handle her, creating occasionally tense situations as she travels the country with them. Those Palin supporters, inside the campaign and out, said Palin blames her handlers for a botched rollout and a tarnished public image even as others in McCain's camp blame the pick of the relatively inexperienced Alaska governor, and her public performance, for McCain's decline.

"She's lost confidence in most of the people on the plane," said a senior Republican who speaks to Palin, referring to her campaign jet. He said Palin had begun to "go rogue" in some of her public pronouncements and decisions.

"I think she'd like to go more rogue," he said.

The emergence of a Palin faction comes as Republicans gird for a battle over the future of their party: Some see her as a charismatic, hawkish conservative leader with the potential, still unrealized, to cross over to attract moderate voters. Anger among Republicans who see Palin as a star and as a potential future leader has boiled over because, they say, they see other senior McCain aides preparing to blame her in the event he is defeated.

"These people are going to try and shred her after the campaign to divert blame from themselves," a McCain insider said, referring to McCain's chief strategist, Steve Schmidt, and to Nicolle Wallace, a former Bush aide who has taken a lead role in Palin's campaign. Palin's partisans blame Wallace, in particular, for Palin's avoiding of the media for days and then giving a high-stakes interview to CBS News' Katie Couric, the sometimes painful content of which the campaign allowed to be parceled out over a week.

"A number of Gov. Palin's staff have not had her best interests at heart, and they have not had the campaign's best interests at heart," the McCain insider fumed, noting that Wallace left an executive job at CBS to join the campaign.

Is it true? Again, I don't know. I feel bad tossing out names myself-- but the cowardly people smearing Palin force us to speculate.

So step out into the spotlight. You've got a lot to say. Stand behind your fucking words.

Neither is a Romney loyalist, as far as I know. So if it's these two jokers, the Romney-loyalist theory is wrong.

Thanks to locus.

Posted by: Ace at 01:16 AM



Comments

1 Stand behind your fucking words.

No shit. Fuckin' pussies. They remind me of the weakest links in any team.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 06, 2008 01:22 AM (ocqQA)

2
Yeah, this is why we've been fingering Schmidt. He was also supposedly one of the two guys in the hotel room ogling her in her bathroom.

Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2008 01:23 AM (cpqad)

3 "I feel bad tossing out names myself-- but the cowardly people smearing Palin force us to speculate."

Unless the innocent ones give us the names, they're going to take the heat.

So, Schmidt and Wallace?

Other aides could confirm it. If they don't? Why would I support candidates they work for anymore?

Posted by: counter at November 06, 2008 01:23 AM (8/0ME)

4 hey Ace?
unnamed sources say- it was steve schmidt

there ya go hoss

Posted by: Jones at November 06, 2008 01:24 AM (KOkrW)

5 I would pay a pretty penny to see Palin pound these cocksuckers IYKWIMAITYD.

Posted by: MFn G I M P at November 06, 2008 01:24 AM (eEMJz)

6 I wanna hear from Brian Rogers about this. He was the only one who ever sounded like he was speaking his mind. What do you say about this Brian?

Posted by: runninrebel at November 06, 2008 01:24 AM (ocqQA)

7 It may not have been Wallace but I think yes on Schmidt.

Do we have anything solid regarding Romney, Huckabee, or McCain as to backing this or are they doing it on their own?

Posted by: Travis at November 06, 2008 01:24 AM (uOj//)

8 Not only that but, why backbite her at all? She may have to put some shine on her game but she was successful in inspiring a bunch of otherwise unenthusiastic reds out there

Posted by: Mr. Chumpo at November 06, 2008 01:25 AM (i73Rf)

9 I guess the next question is, who's Schmidt currently working for?

Pariah, with a minor in leprosy.

Posted by: counter at November 06, 2008 01:27 AM (8/0ME)

10 If it wasn't them, then nothing is stopping them from saying who it was. Otherwise, they all get painted with the same incompetent, backstabbing, can't be trusted, do not hire, brush.

Posted by: Marcus Antonius at November 06, 2008 01:28 AM (b3SFk)

11 Pissing on the only positive in the entire campaign, these fuckers are the worst kind of backstabbing pussies. I hope their names come out and they go back to working dem campaigns.

Posted by: Buzzsaw at November 06, 2008 01:29 AM (MOdlB)

12 http://tinyurl.com/McCainStaff

Posted by: Swegin at November 06, 2008 01:30 AM (q0Z3p)

13 There's reason to suspect it's these guys. So let's ask them.

Steve Schmidt, if there is someone going around this city saying "fuck Sarah Palin" what do we do with a piece of shit like this? He's a fuckin'
dog.

Posted by: bgates at November 06, 2008 01:31 AM (CFjXn)

14 This needs to spread around the blogs so that when anyone googles these fuckers, this comes up as a top hit.

If they didn't do it, they sure as hell know who did.

Posted by: Jim62sch at November 06, 2008 01:31 AM (6rQXk)

15 Anyone know who's on Schmidt's client list?

I'd be happy to send a few emails. (Raised over $90k this cycle.) Who's with me.

Posted by: counter at November 06, 2008 01:31 AM (8/0ME)

16 McCain is doing everything he can to get back in the good graces of the Club of 100 and the new president.

He and his staff are trashing Palin not only to assuage Mac's gigantic ego, but to acknowledge to the Beltway Insiders that he "made a mistake" by choosing the chillbilly from Alaska. This way they'll welcome him back, and they can all have a good chuckle together.

"What the fuck was I thinking?" Mac will sputter to Hillary.

The thing is, Palin was in it for real. She put herself and her family through hell, and then the conservative base stayed home or voted for Obama, and now Mac and his crowd are taking massive shits on her.

I've written Palin a letter, which my whole family signed, in which I told her I was glad to see that there are still people like her, and that I wish her all the best, and I admire her greatly.

A few thousand such missives will do a lot to wash the poison away.

I watched Mr. Smith Goes to Washington last night, with James Stweart. Everything he said about Congress is still true: corruption, losing sight of the real job, betraying trust...

The only difference is that in the movie the good guy won, and in reality the lying, corrupt, incompetent, racist Manchurian candidate won, and the Silver Knight has no qualms about destroying a good woman whose only sin was believing him.

You can bet she won't make that mistake again, and neither will I.


Posted by: Tom W. at November 06, 2008 01:32 AM (dOzJU)

17 feel bad tossing out names myself-

Why they are alredy in the public. Thrust them more. Vet them. Call Helen Jones-Kelley to do a work up. It's the new rules, remember?

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at November 06, 2008 01:33 AM (Q8o0d)

18 these people make me sick


this reminds me of the time Palin was first nominated .. I HATED, HATED reading the news on the internet

every day was a new smear on her, a new attack ... but then it was coming from the left so you kinda understood WHY it was happening

Now its coming from "your side"

There is nothing worse than being in a room and looking around and seeing that some of the people in it are traitors


Palin should just finish out her term in Alaska and go on to a nice happy retirement ... nobody should be subject to his insane, disgusting and almost unbelievable hit job

Posted by: Joey at November 06, 2008 01:33 AM (M+zG7)

19 This is really starting to steam me.

This group of complete fuckups were on course for EPIC FAIL, were dragged to a lead, cut a hole in the boat with the 'bailout', and she still dragged their asses to within the spitting distance in the key states.

And they point to her as the problem. Shit.

Posted by: Al at November 06, 2008 01:34 AM (Lk931)

20 All of this is so unseemly.They'relike a bunch of high school rumor hyenas hellbent ondestroyingthe new girl with the funny accent.

Posted by: TiredWench at November 06, 2008 01:36 AM (VVOw6)

21 Who in their right mind would hire a female from CBS to, as part of her job, coordinate an interview with Couric from CBS?

This is just incredible incompetence.

This child-like trust has got to stop.

Dialog:

Wallace: "Yeah, don't worry if you can't get something outright bad you'll have two hours of interview to edit."

Couric: "Thanks Nicole, we'll talk later. And I will definitely keep you in mind for a position when I switch back to the morning show."

Posted by: mare at November 06, 2008 01:36 AM (X1fsj)

22 They accepted someone from cBS in their campaign??

Posted by: Mark at November 06, 2008 01:37 AM (EpUX6)

23 I don't know Steve Schmidt's email, but I do know Byron York's. I just wrote byork@nationalreview.com to suggest everybody who reads conservative sites would be interested in him tracking down the source of Cameron's hit piece.

Posted by: bgates at November 06, 2008 01:38 AM (CFjXn)

24 Michelle malkin has on her site that Cindy McCain allowed Megan McCain to photograph her in a bathroom and no one in the McCain camp had a problem with that.

Posted by: William Amos at November 06, 2008 01:39 AM (1vpKF)

25 Figures, more signs that the Republican party is imploding! Time for the conservative part to take control again! Damn these people!

Posted by: Dalton Watson II at November 06, 2008 01:39 AM (goLaw)

26 Oh yeah, and fuck Carl Cameron for letting these piss ants spread their vile anonymously without question.

I hope Carl gets a Brazilian wax from Shep's spa and has a horrible accident.

Posted by: runninrebel at November 06, 2008 01:39 AM (ocqQA)

27 #19
once again you have crystallized my thoughts exactly

Posted by: Jones at November 06, 2008 01:40 AM (KOkrW)

28 The math's not too rough on this one, kids.

Scheunemann was fired for positioning himself with Palin at the expense of John McCains campaign message." Last week. When the "message" was already delivered. Except this part.

It's Wednesday. You're allowed to remember what a despicable cunt McCain is.

Posted by: The R.N.G. at November 06, 2008 01:41 AM (kGN8o)

29 Aw. What a feel good thread. I'm serious. I don't like to watch a bunch of pussy losers smear her. Thanks.

And, what unimaginative smears! Idiots can't even come up with something juicy. Or, are they testing the waters? Stay tuned.

Posted by: Amanda at November 06, 2008 01:41 AM (WHzLu)

30 Named or not, it seems there's way too many of so called GOP campaign weasels whose credentials are probably all about getting RINOs elected to safe red districts instead of conservatives.

Posted by: Dr Fred at November 06, 2008 01:43 AM (JbxXM)

31 left an executive job at CBS to join the campaign.

McCain is dumber than I thought if he fell for that. Anyone employed by CBS would have been a big flashing red siren to me and sent summarily packing.


Posted by: Purple Avenger at November 06, 2008 01:43 AM (OqXyp)

32 Cindy was not photographed in a bathroom. She's in a short bathrobe. Sexy pics but innocent. That's what happens when you live in hotel room after hotel room.

You can see the pix on the daughter's blog.

Posted by: Amanda at November 06, 2008 01:44 AM (WHzLu)

33 the more I think of it, the SecSer would not let a protectee answer a knock at the hotel room door. I call BS.

Posted by: Jones at November 06, 2008 01:44 AM (KOkrW)

34 McCain better squash this shit right quick.

He can fucking "lose with honor" all he wants, but to throw Sarah under the bus is un-fucking-acceptable.

She was the only thing standing between him and a Mondale-esque shellacking last night.

This is bullshit and some heads need to roll...

Posted by: RarestRX at November 06, 2008 01:45 AM (lB5g2)

35 You can see the pix on the daughter's blog.

Linky to photos?

Please?

Posted by: runninrebel at November 06, 2008 01:45 AM (ocqQA)

36 McCain is dumber than I thought if he fell for that.

McCain thought the media was his base. He weaseled all the way back from McAmnesty and through the primary with them. It wasn't until a few weeks before the convention that they really realized "Hey, I'm getting jack from the press."

Posted by: Al at November 06, 2008 01:46 AM (Lk931)

37 I saw the picture and Cindy looked fine. Nothing crazy. Nothing too sexy (if that.)

Posted by: mare at November 06, 2008 01:46 AM (X1fsj)

38 So where are Sarah's surrogates? Or do we need to become them? Because I will name names, if that is the case. And so should you.

This shit needs to be flushed down, now.

Posted by: kal at November 06, 2008 01:46 AM (+pU0a)

39 LINKY!!!!

Posted by: runninrebel at November 06, 2008 01:47 AM (ocqQA)

40 Whoin this threadis anonymous? Everyone who wants to has already caught me, but you are all posting as anonymous or something close.

Posted by: bleh, mental patient/freelance advisor/imaginary person at November 06, 2008 01:47 AM (GNCy6)

41 Amazing how as soon after the messiah has been chosen, the msm embraces John McCain once again. It was of course, not his fault that he lost. The blame should be laid squarely on the shoulders of the inexperienced Governor from Alaska. How dare she bring up Ayers/Wright/Rezko/Joe!!!! "Listen", the American people don't want to hear about these partisan smears. They wanted change!

Be careful what you wish for.

Sheep

Posted by: lonerightyinCA at November 06, 2008 01:47 AM (6adII)

42

Nicole Wallace/FORMER Bush aid/CBS executive = EPIC FAIL

Posted by: mare at November 06, 2008 01:48 AM (X1fsj)

43 "Because I will name names, if that is the case. And so should you."

Do it.

Posted by: counter at November 06, 2008 01:48 AM (8/0ME)

44
Get these RINOs out of My Party

Posted by: Cromagnum at November 06, 2008 01:48 AM (j5MnB)

45 "So where are Sarah's surrogates?"

The most prominent during the campaign was Jeri. Not sure where she is. Hey Fred, you read Ace, get your wife on this!

Posted by: someone at November 06, 2008 01:48 AM (zHoxL)

46 I'd still rather look at Palin for 4 years than Joe Biden's teeth.


Posted by: Kolchak at November 06, 2008 01:49 AM (//Qr5)

47
The case against Schmidt (links are scattered throughout the 2nd-to-last Palin thread):

o Scheunemann fingered him
o He was supposedly in the hotel room
o He is not a conservative, he's a campaign tactician for hire
o He is know for launching the sourceless smear
o He was asked by Romney to join his campaign, but went with McCain. Blaming Palin salvages his rep and takes her out of the 2012 competition

The one saving fact: Schmidt originally recommended her to McCain.

Of course "rogue" Romney staffers have also been trying to sabotage her, so there's plenty of hunting to do.

Posted by: geoff at November 06, 2008 01:49 AM (cpqad)

48 Nicolle Wallace worked at CBS, so she knew what Gov. Palin would be up against when arranging the Couric interview.

The reason Randy Scheunemann was brought in was to prepare Gov. Palin for the VP debate. I suspect because after Couric, Gov. Palin had lost confidence in Wallace.

Posted by: Michelle's American White Racist at November 06, 2008 01:49 AM (NLtVk)

49 The MSM/Obama/Pelosi crowd want McCain on their team to reach across the aisle and screw over conservatives again.

Posted by: Travis at November 06, 2008 01:50 AM (uOj//)

50 The GOP needs a Barry Goldwater so bad in the next election


I don't care if he doesn't get one damn electoral vote ... it has to start somewhere and it has to result in SOMEBODY like a Reagan

Posted by: Joey at November 06, 2008 01:50 AM (M+zG7)

51 I'm getting my pillaging axe sharpened and I'm ready to rock. Let's get em! I will drink champagne from their just killed Skulls, still dripping with blood!!!!!!

Posted by: Vlad the impaling viking bad guy at November 06, 2008 01:50 AM (n3pxb)

52 Bush I allowed his people to do this to Dan Quayle. That was one reason I voted for the Libertarian in 2000. Governor Palin was the only reason I voted for the Republican slatethis time around.

Posted by: Malcolm Kirkpatrick at November 06, 2008 01:51 AM (9Qkda)

53 I think it's high time to show a little wrath to those who violate Reagan's eleventh commandment. And if they're not Republican loyalists, they're shouldn't be involved at a high level in teh campaign.

Posted by: Mtenloch at November 06, 2008 01:51 AM (F4wFu)

54 This f-ing election has been nothing but turn the world upside down, change the meaning of words

Posted by: Cromagnum at November 06, 2008 01:51 AM (j5MnB)

55 pix are here (scroll down)

Posted by: someone at November 06, 2008 01:51 AM (zHoxL)

56 #6 McCain is not behind this. Here is why I know. Look at the tape from the third debate when McCain is talking about Palin. You can see the love (in a fatherly sense) that McCain has for her. You can see how hurt he was by the attacks against her. There is no way he is behind this.

Posted by: David at November 06, 2008 01:52 AM (HAdov)

57 Ace, you seem to know some things from time to time. Are you hinting with this post? Got a feeling here?

Posted by: counter at November 06, 2008 01:52 AM (8/0ME)

58 Seriously, Ace, it's pretty clear you could give two shits about the Noonan/Brooks crowd.

What do the hobo entrails tell you?

Posted by: counter at November 06, 2008 01:53 AM (8/0ME)

59 another new post up

Posted by: someone at November 06, 2008 01:55 AM (zHoxL)

60 Did anyone else hear the recording of Sarah Palin calling the Glenn Beck show to arrange a conversation with Glenn on air?

It was on his show voice mail. She had to call herself. She said the campaign was too busy to get in touch with Glenn so she did it herself, leaving Todd's cell phone number.

Can you believe that McCain's campaign was so dumb they didn't think air time on the number 3 radio show in America was worth pursuing? She did it herself. Man, does that say a lot about an incompetent campaign and a lot about how sharp Governor Palin is.

Posted by: mare at November 06, 2008 01:56 AM (X1fsj)

61 Does anyone know what the mechanism is for changing the primary format? Can it be done from the outside or does it have to go through all the inner-sanctum RNC folk?

Posted by: TiredWench at November 06, 2008 01:56 AM (VVOw6)

62 Jesus Christ, if this is McCain's idea of managing subordinates, I'm happy he didn't become president. Say what you want about the Bush people, W ran a tight damn ship.

Posted by: Ace's liver at November 06, 2008 01:57 AM (xDwoq)

63 Palin will run against Murkowski in 2010.

JINDAL will run in 2012.

Posted by: Pipe Barackage at November 06, 2008 01:59 AM (Z9IOH)

64 Some evidence which seems to go against Palin...

1. Fred Barnes apologized to Nicole Wallace
2. Scheunemann was fired... probably for naming names...

Posted by: yarrrrr at November 06, 2008 01:59 AM (DVWCV)

65 Yarrrrrr, what does that mean Barnes apologized to Nicole Wallace?

And by the way, Barnes is as nauseatingly "inside DC." I have heard him say some pretty out of touch stuff.

Posted by: mare at November 06, 2008 02:02 AM (X1fsj)

66 Yes... shine the bright rays of the sun on these traitors. They have violated the Ronald Reagan 11th commandment:"Thou shall not speak ill of a fellow Republican." And McCain if he has a shred of honor should apologize to Palin and route these two individuals so that they will not ever be a part of any general election campaign - EVER.

Posted by: Sergei at November 06, 2008 02:03 AM (6eGmK)

67 Tom W. in #16: "I've written Palin a letter, which my whole family signed, in which I
told her I was glad to see that there are still people like her, and
that I wish her all the best, and I admire her greatly."


I had this exact thought last night while lying in bed (seemingly) forever, trying to fall asleep. My wife and I have both come to love Sarah like family without even meeting her, and I thought we should send her a co-signed letter of support and encouragement. Thanks for the reminder.

Posted by: freakzilla at November 06, 2008 02:03 AM (Yy4/x)

68 Decent people can't run for office anymore because of shit like this. All we're going to get from here on out is power freaks like Chairman Obamao and Hillary.
Does democracy have an expiration date?

Posted by: adolfo_velasquez at November 06, 2008 02:08 AM (8UM23)

69 From day one Governor Palin should have been making the rounds of every national and local talk radio show in the country, from Hugh Hewitt to Rush Limbaugh to Glenn Beck to Bob Grant.

But no. Instead they boxed her up like some kind of porcelain debutante and parceled her out under ridiculous circumstances only to obviously hostile drive-bys. It still makes my blood boil. FOOLS! EPIC, FAILING FOOLS!

Posted by: Kensington at November 06, 2008 02:11 AM (xFNQx)

70 #19: abso-frakking-lutely. I am "the base". I gave to Bush, the
RNC, the NRSC, and the NRCC in '04. The first money any of them got
out of me this year was not until Sarahcuda was announced (I did donate to and vote for Teh Fred in the primaries). And the
reason I stood in line for an hour and 45 minutes to vote was for
Palin. These bozos would've hit Dukakis or even Mondale levels of fail without her.

Posted by: Ian S. at November 06, 2008 02:12 AM (pg/HS)

71 Also, I third the idea of sending Governor Palin a personal letter of thanks. She deserves at least an avalanche of such things.

Posted by: Kensington at November 06, 2008 02:13 AM (xFNQx)

72 This is our next battle. I was worried from the start that Palin would be tarnished by a mediocre McCain run. Time to rally around the principled conservatives. We nominated the most centrist candidate either party has seen in years and we see how it turned out for us. So to hell with the BS that we didn't reach out enough to independents. He was every liberal's and every media personality's favorite Republican until he was nominated. Fuck it. Take the gloves off Sarah.

Posted by: Zuke at November 06, 2008 02:18 AM (+e7Uw)

73 Sarah Palin is the only reason I even lifted a finger for McCain.
You'd think that they'd be too busy being consumed with rage about the
media's conduct in this campaign to throw her under the bus but they're
just showing themselves to be a bunch of gutless weasels.



The one positive - if we can call it that - is that the left is feeling
invincible and for all the dishonesty with which Obama wrapped himself
in moderation during the campaign, he is a true believer and the left
will reveal themselves in a million ways now. They can't help themselves. It is easy enough for tools like David Brooks and Peggy Noonan who have schoolgirl crushes on Obama to look like the smart ones now but Sarah's courage in plainly saying what a lot of us believe is in store for us with an Obama presidency can be the source of her political "redemption." Buyers' remorse among large segments of the electorate will only elevate her stature.


Posted by: HipsterCon at November 06, 2008 03:04 AM (FWI/i)

74 "Say what you want about the Bush people, W ran a tight damn ship."
Um, what? Colin Powell + Dick Armitage = uggggh

Posted by: someone at November 06, 2008 03:10 AM (zHoxL)

75 i think it's more Ronneybots than McCainacks

Posted by: YRM at November 06, 2008 03:11 AM (004wR)

76 It makes me sick to think that they are smearing Sarah Palin now - it only shows what lowlifes these people are. If she chose not to listen to them, I have no reason to believe she wasn't right in doing so.

Posted by: Ashley at November 06, 2008 05:26 AM (NFnJm)

77 Fucking cowards. They make me sick.

Posted by: SueM at November 06, 2008 08:44 AM (U5kUo)

78 I am glad to see Ace has backed off on trashing Palin..somewhat.

Posted by: Vic at November 06, 2008 09:31 AM (Qd7GC)

79 Sorry fuckin' bastards!
How GAY do these guys have to be to whine about seeing her in a towel or bathrobe?
I cringed everytime I heard McCain heap praises upon Osama during the campaign, I wished like hell he would've went after him like he wanted to win.
I know damn well Sarah won't be afraid to attack the liberal nutjobs when she's running in 2012.

Posted by: DinkyJack at November 06, 2008 10:32 AM (ymO9g)

80 OK, so theoretically, Palin is a moron and Biden is a freakin' genius.
However, when Palin says something that is not completely in line with what the McCain people want, she is being subtly calculating, and when Biden says something that is roughly the exact opposite of what the Obama people want (or it might be -- hard to tell since no one can figure out what the hell he means), that's justhim misspeaking.
Got it.

Posted by: Michael at November 06, 2008 10:52 AM (siOQ7)

81 Set aside the way the Left went after her. Disregard for the sake of this comment the McCain team's dissing of her. Find below an appraisal of her in situ.
Sarah Palin was a lightweight choice. Ideologically, her instincts were good, and that's not worth nothing. But she was way out of her depth. Now, you may not like to hear that, but it's the unvarnished truth, and the sooner the GOP--and Sarah Palin--understand that, the better for all involved. There are other smarter, more accomplished women in the GOP than Sarah Palin. Overlooking this reality is symptomatic of adelirious casting about for a lifering. She's not it; every day spent trying to "polish" her for a role that's above her is a day wasted that could be spent finding someone who is equal to the task. It's not an insult; it's just a fact. Not everyone is right for consideration--she's not.
If you can't explain in a televised interview what you like to read, you're not ready for prime time. I don't care if it's The Joy of Cooking, anyone worthy of consideration for Number Two has got to advertise that he/she actually does haveat least a shred ofcandlepower. I'm not looking for a wizard, and I'm no slave to the "cult of intellect" that keeps so many harping about how smart Bill Clinton is. It was a simple fucking question, and she had nothing. Nothing. At all.Unreal.
If she galvanized the base, it wasn't because people thought she'd make a good, ableleader of 400 million Americans and a vast bureaucracy in a complex, dangerous world. The base loved her because she was a giant FU to the BDS horde, and because she bothlived andgot the basic conservative litany down and repeated it well. I loved her at the convention; I thought she managed the debate pretty well. But if Sarah Palin is seen as a heavyweight serious comer in the GOP's future, then our bench is shallow and we're well and truly fucked.

Posted by: railwriter at November 06, 2008 10:56 AM (nwEiU)

82 Railwriter , thanks soooo much for the view from the country club terrace . You got any more Noonan fanboy shit for me to read .

Posted by: aubrey at November 06, 2008 11:30 AM (joS+d)

83
Railwriter,

You make it sound like Palin will not grow and learn from this baptism to fire.

She sounded lightweight because she was a novice at dealing with the national media and was unnerved by a session with a hostile interviewer. I'm not sure why her flub on a question to Katie Couric is any more damning than the stuff Joe Biden said. Do you really think that Biden doesn't know that "JOBS" is a four letter word? Neither do I. But neither do I believe that the Chief Executive of Alaska doesn't read newspapers.

Good politicians grow from such experiences and there is no reason to believe that Palin doesn't have the intelligence and character to refine her national persona. In eight years she will be only 52 years old. My guess is that she is grow leaps and bounds over the next few years. Hopefully that process will not cause her to lose touch with her populist origins.






Posted by: Mr. Peobody at November 06, 2008 11:36 AM (MiPTi)

84 That's garbage railwriter. Its a pretty insulting question when you're running for Vice President of the US. And it was pretty obvious she was annoyed - especially on the heels of the Gibson interview - and was just giving the question the brush-off. She was asked the same question in an unthreatening and friendly environment by Charlie Rose a year ago and gave a perfectly substantive answer.

Don't get sucked in by the bullshit here. It wasn't long ago that Obama gave his young childhood years in Indonesia as an example of his foreign policy experience yet when Palin references being near Russia as affecting her perspective she becomes a laughingstock. We're in an artificial reality.

Posted by: HipsterCon at November 06, 2008 11:57 AM (FWI/i)

85 Read what Glenn Beck has to say about her in situ. He also has a really great Palin/Jindal 2012 graphic.
http://tiny.cc/hSnE3

Posted by: Destini at November 06, 2008 12:06 PM (duUdu)

86 Sarah is going to be a major player in the GOP for about the next quarter of a century God willing. She helped avert what would have been a total disaster had McCain picked Romney or somebody like that. Truth be told, she could use a little more depth on international affairs. But she'll get that done. And she's a hard-ass that won't forget how she got worked over by mealy mouthed pukes like Couric and Gibson.

John McCain is all about the honorable loss. He's a weird candidate. He feels better cutting deals with the other side. He feels better losing. Mark Anthony must be his political hero. The ultimate irony is that this moron in large measure cost himself any chance of winning with his so-called campaign finance reform act, which is nothing more than an assault of First Amendment rights. It allowed him to be outspent 4-1. Lesson learned this time for all time: The blue-blood, country club sect can't get Republicans elected as dog catchers. Reform from within. Support only those who deserve your support. Much work to do but the best thing we have going for ourselves is this rank incompetence of the other side. Get behind Bobby Jindal and Sarah. We'll begin to pick up seats in 10. Back on top in 12. Never forget. We need to modernize, we need to purge the crooks and phonies from our ranks. Right now the country is in a precarious way. Be brave.

Posted by: Ghost of WFB at November 06, 2008 12:13 PM (lqE85)

87 Well if the rest of the Weasles in Washington are what we should expect from the GOP, I may was well leave the GOP. They do not know what it is like for the normal every day personhas to do and what they are worried about. Palin represents everyone I know andrespect, not Pegy Noonan, Fred Barnes or the rest ofthe Washington elite illunminati. they areusually a hindranceto the conservative cause.

Iam sickened by the political hacks that are trying to cover for their mistakes. They should be fleshed out and banished.

Posted by: Stix at November 06, 2008 12:14 PM (BV+O5)

88 62 Ace's liver - wha? tight ship? As in Scott McClellan and George Tenet? Heckuvajob Brownie? Armitage?Powell himselfis almost certainly the source forWoodward's books.Bush's administration has been gleefully pierced by leakers at every turn. Some of it was self-serving; some of it was just out of malice.
McCain should have treated Wallace like an ebola-carrying rabid rhesus monkey, with AIDS.

Posted by: David Ross at November 06, 2008 12:37 PM (GwV+j)

89 Quote one line from a McCain speech. Name one McCain nickname or slogan.

Palin carried him.

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 06, 2008 12:40 PM (n7hY1)

90 Anybody get the feeling we put our Biden on the TOP of the ticket?

Posted by: richard mcenroe at November 06, 2008 12:42 PM (n7hY1)

91 The only reason I could get behind squishy McCain and vote for him with any enthusiasm was because of Sarah Palin. I was familiar with her going back to late 2007, and even though she is short on experience (but as much as Barry O), I had hoped Grandpa would strongly consider her for VP. The problem is that he picked her only 2 days before announcing, leaving her in catch-up mode.

Posted by: Frank at November 06, 2008 12:46 PM (/pHM6)

92 Neither is a Romney loyalist, as far as I know. So if it's these two jokers, the Romney-loyalist theory is wrong.
Gee, ya think? And yet that didn't stop it from being spread on this and many other prominent blogs on the right since it first started with one unsourced, unsubstantiated claim from the gossip portion of the Spectator blog. Which it now turns out was dead wrong.
I never wanted Romney as VP for just the reason we have seen, this campaign was a train wreck from day 1, so you can stop with the Romneybot shit. But no surrogate raised more money or campaigned harder for McCain despite the shitty treatment he got from McCain.Fred disappeared save for one speech at the convention. Rudydid likewise. Huck, true to form, became a talk show host. Romney spent the months since he graciously bowed out rather than pulling a Hillary, or a Huck for that matter, doing non-stop campaigning and fundraising for McCain and host ofcongressional Republican candidates. He and his team deserve a lot more respect than they have gotten here and throughout the right blogosphere.

Posted by: JackStraw at November 06, 2008 12:51 PM (VW9/y)

93 McCain had a hard time running as a conservative, because he is a moderate. I think you can tell when McCain's handlers were controlling her. I was excited when he put Palin on the ticket, but after the convention she sounded like an out of order robot. In the last few weeks of the campaign, she sounded real. I think it's ashame if we become what we're fighting against, that's what the Democrats have become. They are now the proponents of racism, corruption, "baby-killers", and killing the constitution.

Posted by: J. Wilder at November 06, 2008 01:09 PM (duyt9)

94 Oh, these rumors are TERRIBLE!
Hey, but what if they are TRUE? Now THAT would be fucking awful...knowing we came that close to electing a 5th-grade D staudent as vice persident.

Posted by: Ish Kabibble at November 06, 2008 01:27 PM (YfGx4)

95 Ladies and gentlemen get ready for a fight, now it seems not only do we have to fight the obamanation but also Mccain and his campaign. I am ready and will be spreading the leper list as far and wide as I can and as mccain says " you will know their names." The more they attack her the more I am convinced that she is the future of the true conservative party.

Posted by: Sparrow at November 06, 2008 01:39 PM (0cvyC)

96 I started to read some of theses posts and just quit. If you posters don't know enough English words to get through one sentence without using a bunch of blatant cuss words, I'm not going to waste my time reading your posts. Is the way you talk all the time in public. And probably some of you consider yourselves Christians. Go ahead and make your points, but please do it in a way that doesn't require vulgar phrases and profanity. Otherwise you deserve no respect.

Posted by: Matt P. at November 06, 2008 01:41 PM (A61gQ)

97 90 Anybody get the feeling we put our Biden on the TOP of the ticket?
A CERTAINTY..
The only reason to have gotten out of bed was to vote for Palin.
With McCain, he'd have "bipartisanly compromised" our asses right into "wealth redistribution" poverty and the peonage of Socialist Utopianism..
Same asit might be with Obama, just taking a little longer...
Brand this into your heads, GOP "Movers and Shakers", if you take your Base for granted,you will beFOREVER the "Minority Party".
Defend your own flag...go after the other guy's. This isn't rocket science.

Posted by: Bilgeman at November 06, 2008 01:45 PM (8nB5X)

98 Some of us that are reading comments on this site do not appreciate low class people using profanity to get their point across.
Try educating yourself a bit further which would offer you a few more words to use which are more acceptable. Your ignorance is showing. Too old to go back to school.... try washing your mouth out with soap and do us all a favor. "ISH KABIBBLE"

Posted by: Jean at November 06, 2008 01:46 PM (5MyX2)

99 As I swore here, McCain had no prayer for my vote--except somehow he put Palin on the ticket.
If the Republicans want my vote they had better start standing for something other than 'Not a Donk'.

Posted by: Not deserving of Matt's respect. at November 06, 2008 01:47 PM (WVqWP)

100 Palin was and remains an absolute joke. A VP candidate who doesn't know Africa is a continent, not a country? Who doesn't know which countries participated in NAFTA? Who doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is?

No one could ever "shred" Palin as much as she's shredded herself. If you're backing this ignoramus for 2012, get ready for yet another landslide....

Posted by: edsbowlingshoe at November 06, 2008 02:05 PM (X9LlJ)

101 Palin is what kept me from voting 3rd party.

First time I voted for a President was in 92, and I punched the ticket for Bush 41.. And have been voting for the LOTE ever since. This year, I was not going to do that anymore. Either vote for my beliefs or not at all. Then Sarah came in from the wilderness and she saved my vote for the GOP. And countless others, according to unnamed sources (if the press can, so can I).

if I had my druthers about Sarah, it would be that she had a term and a half as Governor of Alaska under her belt before now.. If anything just to pad her resume.. I was waiting for the McCain/Palin, not the McCain only, sign in my yard.

Posted by: Dave C at November 06, 2008 02:08 PM (Rzry9)

102 A VP candidate who doesn't know Africa is a continent, not a country? Who doesn't know which countries participated in NAFTA?

Well, I see the little smear artists in the McCain campaign are doing their work well. Congratulations on achieving perfect credulity, ed.

Posted by: Slublog at November 06, 2008 02:09 PM (R8+nJ)

103 I don't know a single soul who was going to vote for McCain before he put Palin on the ticket.
What can the average Joe do about this? How can we get our party back?

Posted by: Lynnie at November 06, 2008 02:15 PM (tLCQU)

104 If nothing else, you'd think John McCain's precious sense of "honor" would bring him rushing to Palin's defense. So much for that.
Railwriter, please name for me another woman in the Republican party that could have drawn crowds of 20,000 'cuz for the life of me, I can't think of one.In my opinion, if the future of the Republican party is snobs like you, then, yes, we are well and truly fucked.

Posted by: Paula at November 06, 2008 02:21 PM (WYypq)

105 Palin was and remains an absolute joke. A VP candidate who doesn't know
Africa is a continent, not a country? Who doesn't know which countries
participated in NAFTA? Who doesn't know what the Bush Doctrine is?

Cute. No actual evidence for the first two and in the third case it is a contrivance as she simply asked Gibson to be more specific. Do you really want to go down that road given the amount of idiotic things Joe Biden has said directly into a television camera? And, of course, by television camera I mean a modern one, not the kind FDR used for his fireside chats down at Katie's Restaurant in Wilmington after the market crashed in '29.


Posted by: HipsterCon at November 06, 2008 02:22 PM (FWI/i)

106 Believe everything you see on the internet, Ed..

I'll forward you an email I got from an Nigerian Prince who needs your bank account number to transfer some funds..

Posted by: Dave C at November 06, 2008 02:24 PM (Rzry9)

107 I don't usually rebut rebuttals, because I made my point, and you're entitled to make yours. I think I've given the wrong impression, though, either because I didn't make clear my point, or because it was misunderstood. I'll try to clarify.
"It's a pretty insulting question."
To someone defensive about reading, it could be seen that way. It was asoftball question, though, really. Can you name a book you've read in the last month? The last six? Why couldn't she?Moreover, it was an open invitation for us to get a sense of what interests her, what the cast of her mind is. She could've used the opportunity to rock Couric, but she let it go. "Well, Katie, I'm glad you asked. I've been reading up on the history of XX, and the author has some great points to make about YY." I got the sense that she's uneasy around such things, and at least a passing awareness of the world around her. I don't care that she hasn't travelled abroad; I'd just like to think that she's got enough curiosity about the modern world to have at least aserviceable inventory of ideas--a kind of "mental furniture"--about it. I didn't get that sense. As for the Charlie Gibson interview, it was certainly an ambush question. She'd have to field harder questions than that, and more difficult situations, in national office. I'd hope she'd have the aplomb to be able to eithergaff him off more gracefully or take him down.
You make it sound like Palin will not grow and learn from this baptism to fire.
I hope she does, though I have my doubts. As I said, her ideological underpinning seems sound. As someone in another thread said, she's just "green." My counterpoint was in reaction to the rush to judgement by those who claim she's the "future of the party" when we've only known the woman for a couple months, and who think that anyone who thinks otherwise is some kind of Quisling or worse. She's not ready now; she may be ready in the future; I'd rather see her put in a decade or more of public service before she aspires for national office. I felt the same way aboutObama, which is why I voted McCain/Palin.
That she could get 20,000 people to a rally is great. My point isn't that she's not a draw; she clearly is, and I never tried to claim that she wasn't a charismatic candidate. My point is that she's not a compelling candidate. She might be one day, though I doubt it. I'd like to be proven wrong. Jessica Simpson could draw 20,000 conservatives, and no one is arguing that she'd be ready, either. And before you hyperventilate about my correlation of Simpson with Palin, consider the point: we need to be looking for people who can deliver the votes, sure. I'd just prefer that it be someone who is ready for the office as well. And in the end, Paula, "drawing crowds of 20,000" really didn't pay off, did it? People didn't vote for her because they didn't think she's ready. I don't, either, but the alternative in this casewas much worse.
thanks soooo much for the view from the country club terrace.You got any more Noonan fanboy shit for me to read .You're welcome, Aubrey. I've got plenty, though I'm sure you'll be left unsatisfied. You probably ought to concentrate your attention elsewhere.

Posted by: railwriter at November 06, 2008 02:58 PM (nwEiU)

108 Hey, but what if they are TRUE? Now THAT would be fucking awful...knowing we came that close to electing a 5th-grade D staudent as vice persident.
Uh, I'm pretty sure we did, retard. J-O-B-S -- that spells "Moon".
So funny watching liberals try to play intellectual credential games when they've ripped George "every bit as good an academic resume as Barack Obama" W. Bush as an imbecile and gleefully voted for a brain-addled bottom-of-his-class cretin who can't count to four as the Veep.

Posted by: VJay at November 06, 2008 03:06 PM (gQ+XA)

109 I hope Gov. Palin survives this and goes on to become the face of the Republican Party for years to come, and the GOP nominee in 2012 and beyond.

That will assure Democratic control for decades to come.

Posted by: bigyaz at November 06, 2008 03:08 PM (Mv+qG)

110
"Set aside the way the Left went after her. Disregard for the sake of
this comment the McCain team's dissing of her. Find below an appraisal
of her in situ.

Sarah Palin was a lightweight choice. Ideologically, her instincts
were good, and that's not worth nothing. But she was way out of her
depth. Now, you may not like to hear that, but it's the unvarnished
truth, and the sooner the GOP--and Sarah Palin--understand that, the
better for all involved. There are other smarter, more accomplished
women in the GOP than Sarah Palin. Overlooking this reality is
symptomatic of adelirious casting about for a lifering. She's not it;
every day spent trying to "polish" her for a role that's above her is a
day wasted that could be spent finding someone who is equal to the
task. It's not an insult; it's just a fact. Not everyone is right for
consideration--she's not.

If you can't explain in a televised interview what you like to read,
you're not ready for prime time. I don't care if it's The Joy of
Cooking, anyone worthy of consideration for Number Two has got to
advertise that he/she actually does haveat least a shred
ofcandlepower. I'm not looking for a wizard, and I'm no slave to the
"cult of intellect" that keeps so many harping about how smart Bill
Clinton is. It was a simple fucking question, and she had nothing.
Nothing. At all.Unreal.

If she galvanized the base, it wasn't because people thought she'd
make a good, ableleader of 400 million Americans and a vast
bureaucracy in a complex, dangerous world. The base loved her because
she was a giant FU to the BDS horde, and because she bothlived andgot
the basic conservative litany down and repeated it well. I loved her at
the convention; I thought she managed the debate pretty well. But if
Sarah Palin is seen as a heavyweight serious comer in the GOP's future,
then our bench is shallow and we're well and truly fucked."
-Railwriter


Amen, Railwriter. Amen.

Posted by: NPJ at November 06, 2008 03:40 PM (NPzE8)

111 Governor Sarah Palin is being crucified in the name of Republican moderates. Anyone attached to the campaign knows it. They know who's doing it. When they tried to speak out, they got axed. Palin knows what "Africa is." Don't listen to the new messages coming from the Axelturfers. Just because the election is over, doesn't mean they're out of work.

Posted by: AGR at November 06, 2008 03:47 PM (r8a5Z)

112 Railwriter just doesn't get it....Palin CHOSE not to answer the question about what she reads.....it's astounding that anyone woudl think she doesn't, or can't read. She simply did a poor job of putting it back in Couric's face...probably because she is too nice, and certainly not properly prepared for the gotcha attitude from the mainstream press.

Posted by: Frank at November 06, 2008 04:21 PM (/pHM6)

113 Railwriter, my only complaint about Palin is that her TV appearances
made it hard for me to defend her to my snickering liberal friends in
Manhattan. But the thing is that I'm an elitist too. Only I've learned
that the only way to really assess someone is in comparison to others
who operate in the same environment. I have lots of friends and co-workers who went to good schools, have a veneer of sophistication and are pretty articulate but out of earshot I will admit that I don't find them especially bright, or as it pertains to co-workers - particularly good at what they do.

When I look at someone from a working-class background in the middle-of-nowhere who entered a beauty pageant for prize money as well as working summers on a fishing boat to pay for college and rose to be governor of her state I am not going to judge her by the standards of the coastal elite. I simply see a remarkable woman. And what you call her good instincts, as far as I'm concerned, is really a matter of internalizing all that she learns rather than having spent a lifetime of seeing the projection of knowledge as a means of elevating her status. Do you actually think that in her cultural millieu in Alaska that coming across as a brainiac would be received as anything but obnoxious? Her pattern of speech is equally lacking in self-consciousness.

In a nutshell, I would not underestimate her. If she continues to harbor national ambitions - or a more national profile anyway - then she'll have to make some adjustments in how she presents herself but while I understand where you're coming from I don't agree with your conclusions.








Posted by: HipsterCon at November 06, 2008 04:23 PM (FWI/i)

114 NAME NAMES! These people are pathetic and need exposed for who they really are. I am so sick of Sarah being the scape goat. Bottom line, McCain campaign was wasting away before Sarah arrived. As a conservative Republican I knew I would vote for McCain simply because there was no way I was voting for OBama. When Sarah arrived, I and millions of other conservatives, became excited and contributed to the campaign. I'm sorry for these people they can't take the heat.

Posted by: Amy at November 06, 2008 04:29 PM (HNF9t)

115 Hipster: Fair enough. I do underestimate her political longevity, though I do like her and enjoyed watching her bring out the worst snide nastiness of people for whom concealing their class disdain under a veneer of "tolerance" is a full-time occupation. According to the next-door neighbor (who got a nosebleed in her sheep-like rush to hop on the "she's a country rube" bandwagon), Palin "didn't use a single verb in her interview." Nonsense, of course; something this woman picked up from some smug media midge.

I don't think she's dumb; I just don't think she's got the kind of quick-on-your-feet mastery of situation that keeps one alive in D.C. And I stand by the fact--one you eluded to, and one I'm sure you know in your heart of hearts is true--that someone who can't answer such a truly simple, direct question as that is someone blinded by the light. "But she CHOSE not to answer the question." She did, indeed, though the observation doesn't fit the case that Frank makes. It was a telling, uncomplicated, very, very poor choice, one that may very well hang around her neck for the rest of her career, fair or not. Better political types would've turned the question to their advantage. And the quaint observation that "she's too nice" fits the point I'm making. She probably is "too nice." Nice finishes last, as we're currently realizing.

Here's the deal, though--97% of this board is feverishly convinced that Sarah Palin is the Republican redeemer, that she's got a future--not just a future, a big future--and that this run was a springboard to anointing. They're wrong, but that's not a crime. If she's nominated in 2012 and wins, I'll pen and send a groveling, comprehensive apology for "underestimating her," and I'll forward you a copy ;-)


Posted by: railwriter at November 06, 2008 04:34 PM (XcsD4)

116 "alluded to." Feh.

Posted by: railwriter at November 06, 2008 04:39 PM (XcsD4)

117 10/27 - McCain rally in Kettering, OH (near Dayton) 1,500 people (inside gym)
10/29 - Palin rally in Chillicothe, OH (middle of nowhere) 4,500 people (outside in 40 degree weather)

Posted by: AGR at November 06, 2008 04:41 PM (r8a5Z)

118 Made 7,000 calls for the campaign.
Number of people who told me Palin was the only reason for their vote: 1,000
Number of people who told me McCain was the reason for their vote: 0

Posted by: AGR at November 06, 2008 04:43 PM (r8a5Z)

119 Number of volunteers at the southern Ohio "Victory McCain" center there in support of John McCain - 2
Number of volunteers at the southern Ohio "Victory McCain" center there in support of Sarah Palin - 60

Posted by: AGR at November 06, 2008 04:44 PM (r8a5Z)

120 I think of the line people like to spout about "It's great that Sarah Palin is a regular person, but so am I and regular people are not qualified to be Vice President."

There is nothing at all 'regular' about Sarah Palin. In super-hero terms she is a 'talented normal'.

The cheek of these career campaigners will only strengthen her positive image and fan base in the long run, and she has plenty of time.

Go Sarah! And THANKS!

Posted by: skipkent at November 06, 2008 05:09 PM (Do56S)

121 The icing on Obama's victory will be watching the Right eat itself in a frenzy of ideological cleansing. Have at it, y'all!

Don't forget David Brooks. He called her a "cancer." And there must be someone who's heard Bill Kristol say what he really thinks of her.

Posted by: Clovis at November 06, 2008 05:10 PM (/HKVW)

122 I told people here 3 months ago not to trust Wallace or Schmidt, They don't have any idea how to run a campaign. They should of directedMcCain tovote against the bailout and then told the people of this countryI am going to prosecute the crooks who caused this whole melt down, Pelosi, Franks, Dodd and others and pounded this home.
Get off Palin's butt, she doesn't play politics like the good ole boys in Washington and it's just what this country needs and fast. As for Wallace her ass is done in Politics and she needs to start looking for a job at Wal-Mart.

Posted by: Bulldog at November 06, 2008 05:18 PM (2EjhP)

123 Some of us that are reading comments on this site do not appreciate low
class people using profanity to get their point across.

I laughed out loud, in a knowing AoSHQ cocksucker! way.

Posted by: toby928 at November 06, 2008 05:53 PM (evdj2)

124 I really like Sarah Palin. I think when she first cam out at the convention that we were gonna see something good. Then she was kept under wraps too long. It felt like she was so afraid to say anything or she would ruin the campaign. Look at Biden. She was way better than him. McCain was just too old and controlling. I voted for them and was disappointed that they lost. It was not her fault. She brought a refreshing energy that McCain could not. If John McCain had been more loose with her and let her run with it the election may have been a lot different. As soon as he started keeping her under wraps that made the media jump on her good. If she had been out there helping him from the first and showing what she was capable of they might have not been so hard on her. Or, the media assault would not matter because the people could see what she was about. They shot their own campaign in the foot. Add to that the main reason for the loss, not enough money. It was not her fault. Go Sarah. I will vote for you if you ever run again.

Posted by: tootsie at November 06, 2008 06:14 PM (to4x9)

125 YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A ROCKET SCIENTIST TO EVALUATESARA'S CREDITABLITY WHENSHE HASA 82% APPROVAL RATE FROM WHERE SHE IS WELL KNOWN. SHE ISLIKE US, NOT A POLISHED POLITATION. #s 69-79-86-93 YOU GOT IT RIGHT. # 94 QUIT WALKING ON YOUR BRAINS?

Posted by: RICHARD at November 06, 2008 06:23 PM (4gHqM)

126 I hate to be a contrarian but I feel it is entirely possible that Palin was sooo deficient that the people who were trying to control her just snapped. There are many, many independents and moderate republicans that saw her as a total embarrassment to the country and this also became a common theme in other countries. As more and more evidence comes out I believe it is very possible that we will come to see how bad the selection of Palin really was. Now if Wallace and Schmidt pushed her on McCain then shame on them, but if they fought the selection it is easy to see how they must feel they just wasted two years of their life.

Posted by: TOM at November 06, 2008 07:21 PM (8QVWC)

127 My first time here. So glad to see folks as mad as I am about the trashing of Sarah. Lets get these guys and blog their names all over the place! Iemailed McCain last night and told him what I thought about him not stopping this smear campaign. Coward! I emailed Sarah this morning and told her how much our family admires and respects her, and that our votes went to McCain only because of her.

Posted by: Rae at November 06, 2008 08:25 PM (P1cYG)

128 Folks, I am E-pluribus-unum for Sarah Palin. In the primary I voted for Huckabee.In the end the choice was between Marxism and Republican-Socialism Lite offered by McCain. Then came the great Hail-Mary play by the Mc.. Sarah Palin.. She is the only reason I got out to work and gave $ during this election cycle. She might be the next vice president and possible president.

Sarah is plain spoken, Constitutional, and conservative. A real woman and is a real threat to Democrats, feminist, et al. and especially to the Rinos whom are liberals and traitors to the true conservative aspects of our Constitution and Bill of Rights. Life, Liberity and the pursuit of happiness.

There is one thing that I ask of those that support Sarah and her family. Please
refrain from using language and words that can be used against conservatives and/or Republicans to depict us as foul-mouth and ignorant hill-billies.

Full disclosure on me: I was born , raised and live in Arkansas

Posted by: Pjea at November 06, 2008 08:59 PM (If2Pc)

129 Question: Is Africa a continent or country?
1. Country
2. Continent
3. I can see Russia from my house.

Posted by: digdug at November 06, 2008 10:52 PM (8ADhC)

130 Sarah Palin is going to be a political force in the future. These men need to be tracked down and held accountable for their action as the first purging of the Republican party. Sarah Palin is the first of a new generation of Republicans. Fresh faces connected to the people. We are a nation that is done with politicians. We shouldn;t be electing these illuminati leftist politicians. We should be electing moral people.

Elect people, not politicians.

Posted by: RJ at November 06, 2008 11:06 PM (7nbTg)

131 Like many of you I am also disgusted with the treatment Sarah Palin is receiving from the McCain camp. I wrote Gov. Palin to thank her for her work and apologize for how terribly she is being treated. I have also written McCain and the GOP to express my anger at them for allowing these attack dogs to go after the ONLY bright spot in this campaign. It is time to throw the RINO's out. Personally I am getting involved- locally. It is time to take out the trash. Put the traitors names out there- time to clean house.

Posted by: Michele at November 07, 2008 12:21 AM (Le0Ck)

132 My question is where in the world is the RNC in this whole fiasco; why are they not enforcing discipline? Is there anybody there that has even a modicum of leadership ability? I don't understand what good they are, or what purpose they've served. This was clearly illustrated when my cousin asked me on Monday ahead of the election if I could name the head of the DNC. Sure, easy, Howard Dean. Then he asked me if I could name the head of the RNC. Not a clue. Larry "Bud" Melman?
I'm disgusted with Sen. McCain as well. How humiliating for us to have the battle of the loser aides played out in the media, and for the target of these invertebrates to be Gov. Palin, the only person that was out there showing any kind of balls.
Sen. McCain, sir, this fandango is making it very difficult for me to remember you asanything other than the man shameless hack that gave the beautiful surrender speech and then stood by as your very own staff savaged a woman who fought valiantly by your side through this campaign. Loyalty, sir.

Posted by: Mack at November 07, 2008 01:19 AM (yH2f7)

133 Oh, this is rich. The people who are dissing Palin's intelligence are the same ones who can't stop humping the leg of Barack "57 States!" Obama. I mean, can you Imagine? we have a cretin as prez-elect who doesn't know there are 50 states in the union!!

And baby, we got that on TAPE.

The same idiots who will claim that Palin actually doesn't know Africa is a continent (yeah, right), instead of having a verbal slip, will die on the barricades claiming ole Barry just had a little slip-up, there.

Oh, just for the record: the Palins CAN see Russia from their house: the nearest Russian-owned island is just a couple of miles from their front porch.

Glenn Beck got it right: she was under withering attack from the moment she came out and made her speech. From the Left, obviously, but also from some factions on the right who saw her as a star, and dangerous. I've heard people at my place of work, all Leftists, complain that she has "too much star power" and has to be destroyed.

Circle the wagons, folks. If we rally around her, they can't take her down. She gets it -- she was the only one in this election cycle who had the gonads to call the Dims on their shite. And looked good doing it. That's why they hate her. The Dims always play scorched-earth, slit your prisoners' throat politics. They're positively feral. Vain McCain flatters himself that he can come in from the wilderness and be back in their good graces, but they HAVE no good graces to be in. Dirty, underhanded, lying, ruthless, and they will invert absolutely EVERYTHING to achieve their lying ends.

I don't know why that guy keeps whinging on about Palin not saying what she reads: she said in an interview with that PoS Cameron that she was just irritated that Rodent Couric was implying that Alaskans don't read, and don't get the sacred Writ, the NY Slimes.

Anyway. Operation Leper is just one thing: we need an effective "Fight the smears" campaign, too.

Posted by: Beverly at November 07, 2008 02:26 AM (e8joS)

134 It is amazing that the ONLY VP candidate getting the kind of vetting that Sarah got...is Sarah! Edwards was a know-nothing ambulance chaser who was not asked these questions, either as a VP candidate, or as a presidential candidate.

This country may pat itself on the back for being color blind (although it is not), but when the candidate is female, and conservative, every filthy, crude, crass, attack was leveled at her. The sexist, personal attacks against Sarah have no comparison, and set back evenhanded treatment of the sexes decades.

And no one seems to mention that the terrible interviews looked that way in part because they were edited to look that way! If Palin had made even ONE of the gaffes made by Biden, it would have been screamed to the skies.

Palin has a remarkable resume, and the handlers squandered the story of her executive experience, her ability to thread the needle of good 'ol boy politics in Alaska, her negotiation of the natural gas pipeline. So apart from the despicable behavior of these aids, they should be blackballed because they did a bad job!

Posted by: skeeter at November 07, 2008 02:36 AM (Cxp80)

135 You guys are awesome! You & your circular firing squad -- thanks for the comedy gold these past couple of months. You do realize that the US, minus a small sliver of the southeast & texas, is turning blue, right? That the crazier you folks get the more irrelevant you'll become, right? Do any of you realize that Palin was in WAY over her head? She's just not very bright. Sometimes you just have to admit "we weren't good enough," or "our message does not appeal to enough people." Because you do realize that this time around it wasn't the messengers, it was the message, right?

Posted by: David H. at November 07, 2008 02:47 AM (RBd3t)

136 Because you do realize that this time around it wasn't the messengers, it was the message, right?

With McCain, it could be both.

Posted by: toby928 at November 07, 2008 07:38 AM (evdj2)

137 John Edwards had only a few years in the Senate and had zero accomplishments, but yet he was treated with kid gloves. Here comes a young female governor, who got there with no help from a famous spouse, family money, Ivy League background or affirmative action and the knives come out.

What gives?

Posted by: Republicus at November 07, 2008 08:53 AM (T9+pD)

138 Sarah Palin was the life of the Republican party. She was one of the main reasons why I voted McCain in the recent election. We should fight any attempts by these GOP idiots, and the nasty mainstream media (NBC, ABC, CNN, NY Times) to smear her. No I don't want to Schmidt and Wallace anywhere near politics in the future. And I smile every time I read about how the mainstream media news networks are losing ratings (and advertisers) and how the NY Times and Washington Post are losing subscribers. They are nothing more than Soviet style propaganda machines. The bias and vicious attacks that we saw (and continue to see) against Sarah Palin are unacceptable. Why is it that we saw none against Obama, Pelosi, Hillary Clinton despite some of their highly questionable activities and actions.

Posted by: Jack Smythe at November 07, 2008 09:26 AM (EaDx6)

139 I was blessed to get to go to 3 rallies to hear Sarah speak- SHE is the real deal behind the Republican party. SHE energized the supporters who would be voting for McCain only because they were against Obama . SHE spoke the truth and said what needed to be said- I wish we had her earlier in the campaign.
The McCain camp lost this for us, not Sarah. There were plenty of missed opportunities to call out the truth about Obama and his associations.
Sarah was the only one with the guts to do and SHE WILL BE BACK-

Posted by: P Clements at November 07, 2008 09:42 AM (Vb7t3)

140 The only reason I voted for John McCain was Gov. Sarah Palin. And if the republications want my vote in 2012, they had better get another Sarah Palin on board.

Posted by: stan at November 07, 2008 09:55 AM (hzz11)

141 Makes it much less painful to accept Obama's win. If these losers had made it to the White House, they would be so busy backstabbing each other and assigning blame that McCain would have had a completely disfunctional staff.

Posted by: Bob at November 07, 2008 10:14 AM (m6bE9)

142 Why do some of the replies use foul language? This just puts the writer in the same boat as theleft, who have a monopoly on using foul language duirng political discourse,

Posted by: Dan at November 07, 2008 10:51 AM (5HUB2)

143 Palin is the ONLY reason Obama DIDN'T win by over 60%. Her choice energized the Conservative base in a way McCain never could.

These people should get down on their knees and THANK Sarah for taking this job, not pissing on her when they lost. She's a very classy woman, a very smart woman, and one I would be proud of supporting again in any election.

Sarah, you have a fan here - stay positive. These people are just trying to pass off blame on you, when it is their fault you lost. They are petty, small people. You are a giant in character. We love you, girl!



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Posted by: Toms at November 07, 2008 11:32 AM (7280i)

144 I still don't understand why McCain didn't just get Karl Rove (or at least some Rove disciple) to win him the election... but hey whatever.

Posted by: brian s. at November 07, 2008 12:17 PM (Q6DRB)

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Posted by: toby928 at November 07, 2008 01:01 PM (evdj2)

146 You guys are crazy, seriously. Sarah Palin doesn't even make the team for Little League. How can you all claim to love your country when you advocate for someone who is far, far less than the best this country has to offer, regardless of political ideology?
You are all nuts.

Posted by: voupriov at November 07, 2008 01:38 PM (VGh2x)

147 First time poster, long time reader.
Glad that Sarah Palin brought a lot of folks out to vote.
Botched rollout or not, the problem is thatshe drove a bunch of others back home. Like those moderate republicans that everyone seems to dump on.You know,the majority that brought Reagan to power in the first place.
And now we have Obama in the White House.
Given the amount of discord on this board on whether or not she's even qualified...do we believe that it's going to get better?
You guys do the math.

Posted by: Fiscon at November 07, 2008 01:41 PM (HCBlK)

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I, like millions of Sarah Palin supporters,am saddened by the actions of Steve Schmidt and Nicole Wallace, two key McCain campaign aides.During andafter the election,they have tried to destroy Sarah Palin's political future and discourage Republican supporters throughout the country. How dare they? As a Republican women, wife, mother and self-employed marketing consultant, I am ashamed of my party! These petty and self-serving comments are an insult to John McCain and our party.

Schmidt and Wallace, have been on a mission to trash Sarah Palin to the media! I can only imagine this was done to deflect their "brilliant" strategy of introducing the most popular governor in the United States through interviews with Charlie Gibson and Katie Couric. How did that strategy work? For Schmidt, who never graduated from college, to question her intelligenceis veryinteresting indeed. Recently, the media asked Schmidt if Sarah Palin cost McCain votes and his response was no comment! Nicole Wallace, aBerkley grad, former CBS employee and co-worker with Couric, has been the source of leaks and deliberate misinformation to defame the first national women candidate for the GOP. Is there any wonder why Americans are turned off by the political process?

For over 13 years I have been proud of the Republican Party and when John McCain selected Sarah Palin as the first Republican women nominated to a national ticket, I was elated!! I live outside the beltway and I have seen first-hand how she has energized our demoralized base. She is the future of this party no matter what Schmidt and Wallace say! Sarah Palin is an intelligent,confident, practical and self-made woman. With so little role models in the Republican Party, she is exactly what we need as we look to the future. Like most women, she became involved locally through her PTA and as a small business owner.She didn't attend an Ivy League college, she graduated from a state university and along the way also attended a community college because shecouldn't afford college full time.

Sarah Palin drew record-breaking crowds because America connected with someone who is real and genuine. Schmidt and Wallace are Washington, DC parasites that rise and fall because of someone elses accomplishments. Sarah Palin was not only targeted by the media, but also by a couple of rotten apples in her own campaign!


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Posted by: Donna Cahill at November 07, 2008 02:28 PM (mu0QR)

149 You are sniveling crybabies! Your candidate for VP was a moron, so you blacklist the people who are telling the truth? Your whole party is divided. Your control of the government is non-existent, because YOUR voters did not show up. Your time is over. Get OVER IT.
Start applying for citizenship in other countries, my red state friends. Our time is now. No more Big Oil, tobacco lobby, gun lobby, or any number of groups that do nothing but HURT us. : ) First administration in a very long time that is not controlled by lobbyists or special interest groups.
I cannot wait for one of you to TRY to hurt these aides. I personally guarantee your careers will be OVER. There are people in high places who will protect them.
The truth is always the most important thing in life. Get that through your heads.
FAIL.
EPIC FAIL.

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Posted by: Anonymous at November 07, 2008 02:46 PM (a8lyd)

150 Our time is now

Heh.

Posted by: toby928 at November 07, 2008 04:06 PM (evdj2)

151 I am tired of us pussy footin around. I do not care if our way of life (conservative) is right or wrong, it is my life and fuck anyone that wants to change it. This is not a fight, it is WAR. The moderates (what a fucking joke) had their chance. WE are the repulican party. I do not care what the left thinks about me. Screw them. They want to hug a tree instead of saving an unborn life. They ball about being fair (housing crisis). I asked for no ones help in getting where I am in life. I fucking hate (makes me a hatemonger, I guess) anyone that has the ability to work, but instead has their handout. Do not go out and buy what you cannot afford. Do not blame others for the lot you are in.
Fuck the bluebloods, Fuck the moderates, and Fuck all liberals. I (along with the true Americans here) will take back our party and win!!!!!

Posted by: bob roberts at November 07, 2008 08:53 PM (Z/g/B)

152 This is too rich. Reading the hatred being spewed here against McCain, Obama, liberals, etc. makes Obama's victory just that much sweeter. Seems like y'all have more than enough bile to go around, so I'll just enjoy knowing that you and your ilk are out of power and likely will be for quite some time. You really don't get it: Palin LOST vote for you. Far more than she gained. The Neanderthals who think she has more brains than a bag of hammers clearly would have voted for her or anyone else willing to race- and red-bait. Who cares which McCain aides are sniping against her? Her worst enemy is her own ignorance.

Posted by: markovchaney at November 08, 2008 04:36 AM (u0Fda)

153 McCain could not have come close without Palin but that would have been ture no matter who he picked. McCain ran a horrible race, he might have fought for us in the past but he misserably failed us in this election he should have came out swinging and stayed swinging until the last man was standing

Posted by: Kelly at November 08, 2008 08:07 AM (p4xKz)

154 You really don't get it: Palin LOST vote for you.

Were that true, one would think that you would remain silent and let your opponents make the same mistake again.

Odd that.




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Posted by: toby928 at November 08, 2008 11:47 AM (PD1tk)

155 Fuck the bluebloods, Fuck the moderates, and Fuck all liberals. I
(along with the true Americans here) will take back our party and
win!!!!!

Then prepare for another four years in the dark, you dumb fuck. If we're going to save the party, we have to stop listening to idiots like you. We need a MAJORITY to get things done (or are you too busy spewing idiocy to remember that).

Reagan showed the way to win. Ignore it at our peril, jackass

Posted by: Fiscon at November 08, 2008 12:52 PM (0o5il)

156 Sarah Palin is a disgrace to women and women politicians. Stay at home and take care of "the (not!) first dude", your children. And speaking of her children she toted them around as political posters. Shame on S. Palin.

Posted by: Clair at November 08, 2008 02:45 PM (njwWL)

157 Wow - the Obama fans are still threatened. Amazing!

The McCain campaign was a disaster from top to bottom. Their ground game sucked. I know, I was a volunteer. The local "Victory" guy was a bit too inexperienced in dealing with people and ended up alienating most of them. The McCain/RNC group pretty much refused to work with the local candidates to leverage anything that was happening with them to get a mutual boost. Its like the base and the grass roots didn't exist to them.

Regardless of the media reports, those of us that were in the trenches know that if he had picked anyone of the others mentioned (Romney, Rudy, Leiberman, Ridge), he would have lost by double-digits. She kept him close.

Her rollout was a disaster. She should have been out the day after the convention giving policy speeches for the special needs kids and energy policy. They should have had her "cutting her teeth" on national interview with the friendlier teams of every major talk radio show and some of the local ones wherever she was campaigning. They should have said, hey, she isn't the foreign policy expert on the ticket, McCain is. But instead they tried to make her into something she wasn't. They put her on ice for the first 2 weeks, let the media define her and then threw her to the ABC and CBS wolves. Whoever came up with that strategy is an idiot.

Sarah will be fine. She just needs a couple more years to learn now that she knows what she will have to deal with.

Posted by: jj1968 at November 08, 2008 06:14 PM (iLJBL)

158 fiscon wrote:
"Reagan showed the way to win. Ignore it at our peril, jackass"
People like you did ignore it, that's why we lost, you dumb cocksucker. You don't know a fucking thing about Reagan, you Obama-voting dipshit.
Oh, and anybody who protests the profanity on this blog, suck my hairy old man balls, lick my asscrack, and go play hide-and-go-fuck-yourself.

Posted by: angryoldfatman at November 08, 2008 10:18 PM (ZtI4m)

159 Anonymous cocksucker at #149 wrote:
"First administration in a very long time that is not controlled by lobbyists or special interest groups."
AHHHHHAHAHAHAHHAHA!!
AHHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA!
GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHA!!!
Oh, post some more shit like that, it's absolutely fucking hilarious. The most damaging special interests allowed in the country have had control of this guy since he was a state senator. He had to circumvent the normal campaign fund-raising just so they could give him all of the money he got.
No special interests. LMAO!! You fucking lefties are the most gullible pieces of shit on the planet.

Posted by: angryoldfatman at November 08, 2008 10:31 PM (ZtI4m)

160 I can't understand why any thinking American, would support John McCain's pick for VP. It's obvious, his pick was to try and get the woman vote after Hillary lost the Democratic bid. Just the idea ofher stepping into the Presidency, if anything happened to him, should have brought up red flags in his own thinking. Hesank so low in his obsessive desire to be President that anything goes. With not even a thought as to her capabilities of running this country.I thought Quayle was the worst VP pick in recent elections. Seems you ignorant, hateful, Nazi, fundamentalist Christian republicans, will elect any warm body, as long as they are on the republican ticket. McCain, "was" a war hero during Vietnam. Yet that handle doesn't andwon't carry misguided decision in the future. Heshowed himself to be a angry, manipulative, senile has been, in his bid for the Presidency. Palin had her 15 minutes of fame. Now she is a joke, who sees delusions of greatness in her hick mind. She's to ignorant to see how much she is embarrassing herself !! Rove tacticswon't work for Americans anymore. Even with Palins uninformed attack dog speeches, Obama was elected. Your fear mongeringand lies gave you defeat. Fat boy Limbaugh andweakling of a man Hannity, plus all the rest of you attack dogs, it's over for you. Palin, keep up your delusions. You employ a lot of people. In Comedy late night shows and SNL. We are not laughing with you Palin. We are laughing at you !!!!! Republicans your base is the rich and the ignorant. If you go back to being aorganization of honor and truth, I'm sure the American public will welcome back the party of Lincoln. It will take a long time to earn our trust again, after 8 years of just a warm body as President of the United States with Bushand his scorch America tactics, the Bush administration will be a ball and chain for the Republican party for years to come!!!!! Get over looking for the persons who leaked or said, this or that. It don't matter!!!!! Your lies and deceit have attracted the nuts in America. McCain's rallies showed the world that. In the world of instant communication, the Republican party and ONLY the Republican party is to blame!!! One more thing, put a bag over Palins head, duct tape her mouth, send her back to Alaska, thenpretend she doesn't exist!!!!

Posted by: W.OBrien at November 09, 2008 04:02 AM (L39OS)

161 That's a lot of wordscoming from an insipid douchebag. A wall of unindented, copypasted, useless text from a wet-behind-the-ears dumbass who's butthurt that he's got nothing to do now but wait on his government check from the New Messiah, a.k.a. Jimmy Carter II.
Republicans need your advice like the Sahara needs more sand.

Posted by: angryoldfatman at November 09, 2008 10:48 AM (ZtI4m)

162 The sad thing is that posts like #160 remind us that a years-long strategy of hateful scorched-earth intolerance did in fact succeed in winning this election. We are faced with the decision whether to respond in kind, or hold hands with his kindly countenance and sing Kumbayah. Now have a beer and watch some football.

Posted by: J.R. at November 09, 2008 12:42 PM (qwYAN)

163 I recently talked to a top campaign official from Florida who overheard Steve Schmidt bashing Palin to another campaign worker. It's true, he doesn't have the interests of the party at heart.

Posted by: Seth at November 12, 2008 04:56 AM (nBXm/)

164 You can spot neocons like Wallace by their frequent resorting to the term "rogue" as a pejorative. As in, "I think she is going more rogue." First Cheney gave us talk aboutrogue nations -- not, mind you the US as it invaded Iraq after losing its effort to get a UN mandate -- now his adviser Wallace gives us "rogue candidates." For them, I am a rogue commentator. I guess the opposite of rogue for them must be the epitomy of morality. Except they are unilateral rogues themselves. Go figure.

Posted by: frank burns at November 14, 2008 06:02 AM (TGxSk)

165
It took over a week for McCain to start denouncing this did it not. Michelle M. - Given that, I think McCain should be at the top of the leper list.... I was at the Sarah rally in Johnstown, PA... Crowds lined up out the door, pure rock concert electricity in the crowd... If McCain picked anyone else but her, he would have lost by 12-15 million votes IMO.... She has the pop culture rock star status Obama has, buton the conservative side... Our party should leverage that in the future.. It should have to come down to that, but that is the reality of what our society has become... I think she would be a great leader and can win if allowed to capaign within her own element...
CaptC

Posted by: CaptC at November 19, 2008 05:02 PM (jyDNf)

166
Oh and another thing... I am tired of hearing about Sarah's intelligence or lack thereof... Said the same shit about Reagan... But there is no more Soviet Union or Berlin Wall is there.... And just look what all of these great Ivy League suits have brought us in the government and Wall St. Anyone look at their 401K statement lately....

CaptC

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