1 NBC is getting ready to do their "fact check" segment.  I'm sure this will be very fair.

2 Why only two weeks?

3 Barring a terrorist attack, God forbid, it is over.

4 I, for one, welcome our new socialist overlords.

5 This debate sucked.  Neither of them went personal.  I'm sure that was in the debate rules agreed upon.

6 Chris Wallace to Mitt Romney (just now):  "Good to see you, Gov. Romney.  We've missed you."

Oh, boy.

7 This debate will change the game slightly. More importantly, it will stick in the voting booth.

8 CNN, group of 25 people, "raise your hand if Obama won", 12 people raise their hand, announcer says "oh, pretty close" and moves on. Le sigh.

9 I swear McCain wants to lose. 
How did we get to this point?

10 I think it's still a toss up.

On the dark side, if Obama wins, I'd be willing to bet my next paycheck the country will be so far in the hole people who elected him will be screaming for his scalp. How many times can you use the excuse "It's all George Bush's fault!"

11 that was boring as shit.  Sad part is that mccain socialist policy will probably gain him votes.

12 It was a toss-up.  Doesn't matter, McCain needs a homerun.

13 And what gives with Obama's lying ads headlining Drudge?
"See how John McCain contributed to another financial crisis."

Tom Brokaw bringing up Wall Street getting drunk was just too rich; "never before Brokaw."

Obama had timer, no leash and no muzzle and no etiquette.

McCain keeps addressing everyone as if we're all in the Senate and he's on the floor. There's a place for that parliamentary tenor. But average American's zone out once Obama's shitload drones on and on and on.

14 McLame needed a knock-out to win this election.  He didn't get one.  He's still trying to be "Mr. Nice-guy".  That ain't making it here.

He's done.  He may as well stop spending money and put it to good use in the election of 2012.

15 I was bored. McCain should have gone all Cujo and bitten Obama's leg. That would have livened up the debate

16 I heading to PA in the early morning hours.  I'm going to count the O vs McCain yard signs in Wilkes-Barre.  I will not under any circumstances enter into Scranton.

17

My initial reaction is that Brokaw is a self important asshole who chose questions in a way as to ensure that the debate would not veer out of Obama's comfort zone of reciting policy crap and canned attacks by rote. 

18 God help us all.

19 I swear McCain wants to lose. 
How did we get to this point?

Open primaries.

20 Boring as all hell.
McCain screwed the pooch on the mortgage giveaway.
There is no one middle class who is going to benefit from that or the Bailout.
Deadbeats and speculators of the world are cracking the champagne right now.

21 Brokaw sucks! He didn't let them ask any interesting questions!

22 This debate sucked a$$. Neither won...it was boring, the format sucked, the questions were dumb, Brokaw's follow-ups were even worse, and Obama kept whining. Ugh. But where was the McCain from Monday when he was on the attack? And why can't he stop talking about working with Lieberman!!! Lord, I think he loses a percentage or two of the GOP vote everytime he does that...

23

Ace, you're a spineless little me.

24 Tonight is the night that we can point to when America became a Marxist nation. McCain lost. With three days of momentum from the VP debate, Palin cutting loose this weekend and McCain cutting loose yesterday, plus CNN actually running a real piece of journalism on Ayers, there was a lot of momentum to bring out the hammer on all of Barry's Marxist friends tonight......and McCain took a pass. And with that pass, on January 20, 2009, Barack Hussein Obama will be sworn in as the the first Marxist chairman of this country.

God. Help.Us.All.

25 It was awful but I'm not sure there was much McCain could get done in this format.

If McCain thinks he's bailing out every asshole with a bad mortgage is going to win it for him...well, I for one welcome our new Lefty Overlords (might as well get on board early).

26 Unimpressed. Had a heck of alot of trouble staying interested. After the last 2 days, I really expected him to show a little more vigor. Both of them just repeated the last 6 months of sound bites.

27

WASHINGTON (AP) - Republican presidential candidate John McCain is proposing a $300 billion program for the federal government to buy up bad home mortgages and allow homeowners to keep their houses.

McCain said: "Until we stabilize home values in America, we're never going to start turning around and creating jobs and fixing our economy and we've got to get some trust and confidence back to America."

In an unusual step, McCain announced the plan during Tuesday's debate. He said that as president he would direct the federal government to purchase mortgages directly from homeowners and mortgage providers. The loans would be replaced with fixed-rate mortgages, ostensibly at a loss to the government.

"Is it expensive? Yes," McCain said.

Just because everyone loved the Bailout so much. Idiot.

28

If obama is elected President, I am going to wear black on Inauguration Day, as I will be mourning his presidency.

29

I think the problem was that the debate was so fucking BORING that it dragged everything down. The first one had at least some suspense in the 'who's gonna fuck up, who's gonna lie, who's gonna mis-pronounce shit?'

This was just god-awful boring shit, pretty much the exact same stuff we've heard for weeks now from both these clowns.

Palin is interesting, personable, funny, quirky, down to earth and a hottie. Everyone else in this election is a dull also-ran. Expecting McCain to suddenly light up and try to win this thing may be in vain, but you never know.

30 I'm sorry, did I log on to Hotair.com by mistake?

31 The only promising point is that Obama left a bad impression near the end that I think will not sit well with the white lower and middle class.  When he talked about scholarships and aid that he got to attend the best universities, that will not sit well with some voters.  My wife almost threw something at the TV, she took it as "Na Na Na Na Na" I got to go to a good school cause I was black and you didn't.

32 I actually think a toss-up favors McCain.  If the Messiah doesn't dominate, what is the reason to chance it with the new guy when you've got a slightly grumpy but reasonably trustworthy experienced guy to go with?  I think the Obama buyer's remorse is going to set in pretty strongly in the coming weeks.

33 We are so fucked.

Brokaw asked the question about 20 minutes in: What are you going to do about social security and medicare. Cuz ya know in 3 years are fucked! Can you fix it in 2 years.

McCain and Obama: Hey. Let's talk about the puppy in the window.

God dammit.

34 I thought Obama was a little shaky at times, especially on the foreign policy section. McCain got him good on the surge, but my sense is people don't give a fuck about the war, they want Uncle Sam to save them. It's not over yet, but this did not do what I thought it should do.

Sarah, you are our only hope. Make his punk ass bleed.

35

Really? I thought that Obama's comment, which he let slip during the foreign policy section (about Russia), was the "global test" of this campaign. Namely, Obama's proposal to solve our energy problems is to "reduce consumption" at home.

He wants to raise energy costs at home; taxes, reduction on drilling, you name it.

And McCain did fine. Won it, on points, I'd say.

36 Obama with a Democratic congress.

We are in trouble.

McCain let Obama off the hook with Fanny and Freddy and doesn't seem interested in telling people what really happened or even correcting Obama when he lies about it.

And that means the Democrats will be at it again next year.

37

Both candidates could use some corporate finance experience.  And O needs to actually understand corporate structure.  CEO's don't get corporate tax cuts, shareholders get them.  The effect of a corporate tax cut can drive any number of things:  greater investment, lower prices on the shelf, or higher CEO salaries.  It's up to the shareholders via the board.  What board would take $700,000 of new cash flow and give it to the CEO (except in the instance where the board is recruiting a replacement)? 

38 Barry's stuttering was annoying, yet what pisses me off is that no matter how fucked up his policies are, 48% will still vote for him regardless.

39 All you Whities who waited this long to get some balls? Congrats, and enjoy your new Prezidamdent! Yo

40

What a a bore.  I wish McCain had a sense of humor, he could have zapped O with a few one liners.

41 After watching the debate I think it's finally time to go buy another gun and a case of ammo before both are outlawed by our new socialist overlords.  I guess I'm just bitter...

42 Pathetic, unenlightening, empty, talking-pointed drivel...  60 second chunks at a time.

And I oughta know.

Format sucked though it should have been eventful. Questions sucked. Answers sucked. Worst debate ever.

Bring back Palin/Biden.

43 Put a fork in McCain-Palin.  I had high hopes tonight.  Terrible.  Last 5 days wasted.  Barry by 15 at week end. 

44 OMG! If McCain doesn't skewer that Pinko commie in the last debate I will be really pissed.

45 I wonder if Barry will use those fat kids in the uniforms dancing inthat video to enforce his policies. If so, I am not that afraid

46 If you mean "McCain lost" because he didn't whip out a scimitar and remove Obama's spleen, then yes he did lose.  But I think McCain came out ahead a little in the way he handled himself and the answeres he gave.

But he REALLY REALLY needs to quit saying "My Friend/s"

K

47 Obama is a slicker salesman than McCain. Whoop-dee-da-dooo! Congratulations, American fuckfaces, you got yourself a great huckster as your next president.

48

It's amazing.

We're about to elect a shallow America-hating dirtbage over a genuine patriotic war hero.  I dunno what we did to deserve this.

Rove better have those Deibold machines completely rigged or we're well and truly fucked this time around.

 

49 Well I am starting to feel like a Cubs fan. McCain is being true to form, appealing to the left. Climate change and Buying mortgages and giving the irresponsible a better deal while the responsible keep plugging along?

I am done. I want a conservative and not this rino. McCain is running a popularity contest and wondering why Mr. clean and articulate is winning.

We must expose/define Obama. The MSM will not do this until after the election.

50 No gun questions. Brokaw knows that is a sure fire loser for Barry.

51

Why was it so many conservatives had such difficulty getting on board for McCain.

oh, yeah.  I remember now.

52 Never thought I'd see a more accomplished liar than Bill Clinton...we. are. fucked.

53

Here is me being optimistic: Perhaps McCain chose not to go after obama because he wants to pander to the people in the middle.

Here is me being pessimistic: We. Are. Fucked.

54 McCain from "the fundamentals of the economy are sound" to "greatest crisis since 1929 when I entered the Senate" in a week. The greatest flip flopper of our time.

55

They ramped McCain's expectations so high he had no chance.

Normally I'd say it was a draw, but unfortunately ties go to Barry HO

The good thing is that McCain raised issues that the media's been ignoring and will have to whitewash.

This thing was so bland I don't think its gonna be a game changer.

56 McCain's main job was to place a seed of doubt about Obama into the tiny brains of those who haven't realized he's a fucking disaster on their own by now.  I think he went a long way in doing this.  Nobody could say after this debate that the O is not a roll of the dice in a time when riverboat gambling is hard because the waters are too choppy or some shit metaphor like that.

57

>"It's all George Bush's fault!"

This will resonate for decades in Democrat talking points. It'll be WRONG, but that won't matter.

58 How did we get to this point?

Because we spent the primary season beating the shit out of our field of Republican candidates. And by "we" I mean "most of you."

59 Compassionate conservatism is going to kill us.

60 How many times can you use the excuse "It's all George Bush's fault!"

My guess is 8 years, after that it will get a bit tougher.

61 OU-Gryphon:

If you buy them while still legal, he probably can't seize them. But, buying guns or ammo after 1-20-09 may be a hell of a lot tougher.

62

One of the first gaffe's I noticed from Obama (though maybe not a big one) was when he said he sent a letter to Ben Bernanke.  Did he say Paulson too?  I don't remember.  Anyways, he said he sent a later to Bernanke regarding the subprie crisis TWO YEARS AGO.

Unfortunately for Obumble, Bernanke was not the Chairman of the Fed two years ago.  Just as Alan Greenspan, who was Fed chair through the end of '06.

In all, that was a shittyass debate.  Watching an old married couple snipe at each other over all the little things that have happened over the years that got under their skin.  What a bunch of crap.  McCain should have brough the hammer down on CRA/Fannie/Freddie, and called out Obama's errors and shitty statistics.  Alas, neither one of these dolts had a keen enough grasp of economics to turn this debate into a bloodbath. 

63 At this point, I think the RNC needs to start dumping money into Senate campaigns. We need to protect our seats or we are really fucked.

64

Winning on points? Sounds great, except the public needed to see a knockout this evening, and they didn't see it.

tmi3rd

65 #48 are you talking about Clinton over Dole?

66 Why, after one unpopular bailout that nearly ruined his campaign, does McCain propose another one?

I hope this election is one big Candid Camera joke.

67 I am just plain sick. Obama lies compulsively and McCain seems unable to stop him.

We are so screwed.

68 SurveyUSA Obama 52 McCain 42

McCain is cratering for not fighting the Bailout and so he decides to double down tonight and go for 300 Billion more?
That's not cutting spending John. That's not small government John.
That's how you lose a fucking election.

69 "Reduce consumption" means contract our economy.  Obama is such a dipshit he believes that we can "conserve" our way out of high energy prices.  Didn't Jimmy Carter say the same shit? 
Increased supply is the ONLY answer.

70 Weak infield single, at best. No consistent fire.

71 What happened to McCain tonight?  He seemed nervous while Obama seemed cool and articulate.  I wanted to hear the McCain from his speeches this week.  He needed to be passionate and on fire, and instead he just seem dull and not very personal to the American people.  And please someone tell McCain to stop addressing people by "My friends".

Very disappointed by McCain's performance tonight.

72 I wish McCain had a sense of humor

I'm actually feeling nostalgic for the Dole candidacy.

73 Charles Krauthammer: McCain won on domestic policy, but made errors on foreign affairs.

McCain wins on points.

74

I didn't like how McCain pandered to those deadbeats and land speculators either. That SNL skit needs to be played, and replayed, and then played some more. But ... our side doesn't oppose bailouts on principle. Remember that, morons.

As for "I swear McCain wants to lose.
How did we get to this point?"

Thanks, Huckabee voters!

75 I'm biased (that honestly tells you i'm a conservative) but i'd call it for McCain by a nose. Not a game-changer unless people really let some of the messages sink in. I'd say the game has been kept alive. McCain did well enough not to sink his campaign.

I was glad to see McCain on the attack about Obama's record on the current crisis and foreign policy, and still homely and physically embracing the serviceman in the audience. I'm disappointed Ayers did not come up, i guess that means there as still aces in the pack, and McCain had to confront the economic message of the Dems head on. Still, Obama was pretty slick and seemed to have a counter attack for every attack on his record.

For me, the real difference came not in the debates over specifics but the visions of both men. Before i read a single line of commentary i'd like to say the closing statements said it all, paraphrased below:

Obama: I was poor to start with and rose to great heights that i could never have hoped for in any other country. Now it's time to change the country fundamentally. I hope you are with me on this amazing journey (destination not specified)

McCain: (in unspoken reference to his POW years) I know what suffering is like. I know what it's like when others look to you for hope. I know what it's like when others pick you up and give you hope. I ask the American people to give me another opporunity to serve because through all this it has always been "my priviledge to to put my country first."

That last part is a direct quote.

Obama's statement was all about himself, and how the country has to change to suit him.

McCain's was all about his country and how much he loved it and was willing to sacrifice himself for it.

Oh yeah. There are "fundamental differences" alright.

One candidate understands the words of Kennedy "Dont ask what your country can do for you. Ask what you can do for your country"

The other is a total wanker.

Some people's legs might shake when Obama speaks. I was almost in tears when McCain spoke.

I never knew he had it in him.

76 At work I told the the joke, "What do Barack Obama and Osama bin Ladin have in common?  
Answer:  They both have buddies who bombed the Pentagon"

No one got it.   They don't know who Bill Ayers is, or about his history.   The MSM is still winning.   Its time to start fighting like a democrat.  Start putting up notices at newspaper racks about the destruction of forests for newsprint and how it is destroying the world by stopping the absorption of CO2 by the trees.  Destroy them with their own propaganda.   We can kill the newspapers.   They are going under anyway so it is time to toss them a anvil. 

77 McCain =  EliteXC/CBS
Obama = Kimbo Slice

78 The thing I can't understand is how people somehow forgot that McCain is not a conservative.  These debates are not for us.  They are for the people that don't pay attention, and just want a "set it, and forget it" government.

I don't like McCain's policies, but I've known what they were for months.  Remember everyone, Palin is the prize here, not McCain.

K

79 I am a very sad panda tonight.

80 Senate: we are gonna lose VA, NM, CO, and NH. Sadly, our fate rests on assclowns like Gordon Smith, Elizabeth Dole, and whichever hag is running in ME.

But, thankfully, Coleman is running against a retard.

81 But, thankfully, Coleman is running against a retard.

So is McCain, but that doesn't make me feel better.

82 I want the taxpayer to bail me out of my cell phone contract. That thing just pisses me off.

83 Tonight's debate = LAPD swinging boredom

Me = Rodney King

84

Maybe Republicans will elect a smart candidate next time.

Who am I kidding? It will be another tired dope who can't debate better than the average GOP enthusiast.

I'm tired of dumb asses.

85 McCain did OK, but he needed to do better than that.  Unless current polls include about 15 points of Bradley Effect, we're fucked.

86

"And by 'we' I mean 'most of you.' "

You're right.  Next time I, for one, will say nothing bad about Mike Huckabee.

87 Romney clearly would have been the best choice. Who gives a fuck about his religion. Oh, the MSM which never shuts up about it. How the fuck did we get into this debacle.

America is gonna vote for this clown. A guy who does business with terrorists. How did it come to this?

88 At this rate Coleman and Franken will lose to the independent. Whu will caucus with the Dems of course.

89 For the most part at least 50% of the American people are lazy, brainless fucks.  All they want is their iPods, HD TV, celebs and a handout.  This country is close to jumpin' the shark.

90 We.Are.Fucked

91 I'm taking the opposite view here.  Last debate we thought he won and got killed in the polls.  This debate we thought it was a tie, I think a 2-3 pt McCain bounce.

92 It is over. A f8cking idiotic, empty suited, racist, half black is now YOUR CIC! Congrats again, to all of you scared whites who think you have any idea what blacks are really like. Good job out there. Any military person who does not resign his post upon Barry's swearing in, is an official idiot. This is your new CIC. Keep saying it, and I cannot wait to see the first SOB that salutes him

93 From excitable Andy:

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94

Hmm, everyone here is so depressed at this performance by McCain and before everyone loved his first performace.  Last time the polls said Obama won. 

Maybe (via moron logic) that means the polls will reflect that McCain won this time!

95

Question: How strenuously will McCain avoid discussing Democratic responsibility for the subprime crisis, and thus consign himself to ignoble defeat?

ANSWER: Very.

 

96

So, who wants to go to Nevada? 

I've got McCain-Palin yard signs!

 

97 The GOP is so fucked. Ah happy days.

98 (Let's try that again)

From excitable Andy:

All I can say is that, simply on terms of substance, clarity, empathy, style and authority, this has not just been an Obama victory. It has been a wipe-out.It has been about as big a wipe-out as I can remember in a presidential debate. It reminds me of the 1992 Clinton-Perot-Bush debate. I don't really see how the McCain campaign survives this.

99 Got to hand it to the old dude: he sure does have a scrumptious looking bulge in his pants. I'm not voting for him, but I'd definitely suck on that baby.

100 My reaction is to suggest people start burying weapons because they will be needed to restore the nation's liberty down the road in the aftermath of an Obama Presidency

101

If obama is elected President, I am going to wear black on Inauguration Day, as I will be mourning his presidency.

That worked well for the Bush haters.

102 "...may as well stop spending money and put it to good use in the election rebellion of 2012."

There. Reality check added.

103 Cleanup on aisle #92

104 Cheer up. You do not have to worry about anything. You will not even need to say anything after the dems win. We know going in to the next few years of misery that they are totally inept and not capable of running the country just like the republicans that came before them. After a few years of that people will forget about how much they hated the republicans and they will return to power. It will probably collapse after it gets big enough and nobody will care.

105 #69
No Gaza Jimmy told us to put on a sweater.

106

Has anyone said it? THANKS, FLORIDA PRIMARY VOTERS!

107

After sitting and thinking  about this for a while, I actually think that McCain did himself some quietly solid good tonight.  He didn't have a dramatic knockout punch, but he was clearly, to everyone, sober and solid and substantive--quietly competent and authentic.  He got about a dozen solid shots in at Obama without histrionics.  His moment with the petty officer was the most touching one of the debate, and his final statement was very, very good in a simple, honest way.

Even PBS said it was a tie, which they then said went to Obama, as he was looking serious and grace-filled again, yada, yada.  But, they were quite sober themselves, and even a black female commenter (not Ifill) noted that Obama wandered badly on the foreign policy questions, and overall did not do as well as last week.  A consensus was that Obama probably was prepared for a McCain attack, and was thrown off stride.

All in all, I think McCain planted a few seeds tonight, and the points from the debate that people remember are going to be largely the ones that he made.  And those quietly planted seeds will germinate.  They already are with me, and I'm familiar with the man.

Sorry if this seems like a dorky post, but I'm coming around from being bored to seeing what happened tonight as important--in a good way.

108

We're about to elect a shallow America-hating dirtbage over a genuine patriotic war hero.  I dunno what we did to deserve this.

 

In America, everyone- even the idiot- is allowed to vote.

109

I think McCain did extremely well with that last question. A steady hand at the till is a theme worth repeating in his ads. Scare the shit out of people. The country is in grave economic danger, do you want a guy who spent 7 years with the viet cong and came out in one piece or this completely untested kid at the helm? A guy who came out of the dirtiest political machine in the country or a reformer? A guy who knows how to promise, but who's never delivered or a guy who can do both?

As for the next few weeks, the last debate won't matter, simply because no one ever watches the last debate. So it's really all about the ads now. Go negative, Maverick. Be specific and brutal, cuz nothings works like a well-sourced negative ad.

110 I used to always believe that dueling sides would keep this country grounded, and that revolutionary thoughts were the way of nut cases crying for not getting their way.

For the first time I am actually conceptializing a "reset" plan when the shit hits the fan. Neither candidate represents anything remotely I stand for as a neo-libertarian. 4 years of obama, and god willing, a conservative revolution afterwards will get us exactly where Reagan got us in the political spectrum. As hard as he tried, the nation still wound up 1 step forward and 2 steps back towards a socialist society.

111

McCain lost. With three days of momentum from the VP debate, Palin cutting loose this weekend and McCain cutting loose yesterday, plus CNN actually running a real piece of journalism on Ayers, there was a lot of momentum to bring out the hammer on all of Barry's Marxist friends tonight......and McCain took a pass.

Palin has to think of herself. Start running for 2012. Now.

112

Well, I think we all knew this is what would happen when Romney got screwed by open primaries and McCain's ally Crist in Florida. We have all been hoping he would become something he is not. Like Bush, he isn't a standard bearer for conservatism. Sure, the Palin pick was a wonderful move to placate us conservatives. Hell, had he picked someone else, he would be behind by 15 right now. That said, Palin alone can't fight this fight. McCain has let the media and Dems set the narrative and now he's stuck with it. The only thing that consoles me is that Obama is an empty suit. He won't get anything major passed with a crap economy. The rest of the world is on their own, but f*%$ them. They want Obama anyways.

27 days is a long time, but I'm not very optomistic. Not even with Obi-wan's analysis.

113

"It was awful but I'm not sure there was much McCain could get done in this format."

Thank you.  He's at the mercy of the lousy questions, if he's not given an opening, he can't just start pulling arguments out of the air.  Just an FYI that I posted on another thread: I monitored a PUMA blog during the debate, and while they were also bored with the general tenor of the evening, they're still very pro-McCain, and they hate Obama more than ever.  They hate Obama more than the conservatives on these threads hate Obama.  I wish one of them could introduce McCain or Palin at a very large campaign stop (20k or more).  Their visceral hatred for Obama, expressed in front of a large audience, would help the McCain Team more than they realize. 

114 Don't give up on New Hampshire yet. I bet Stevens pulls it off in Alaska.

115

McCain did go after Fannie and Freddie, and Obama's ties to them. So, there's that. (The commenters who wonder why McCain "didn't" must have turned on the TV late.)

Interesting that McCain didn't bring up Wright's homilies while he (McCain) was talking about how America was such a force of good in the world. And by "interesting" I mean "fatally mistaken".

And yes, Obama needed to go after Ayers and the Weathermen, and didn't. But, if we wanted David Horowitz or Charles Johnson to run against Obama, we'd have nominated one of them...

116 In honor of Senator McCain's Retreat, I thought Ace & the Tools might enjoy this GRAPHIC on the wrap up from firedoglake [I'm sure you can resist the temptation to read the take from one of the bigger bat caves in Moonville]: http://tinyurl.com/j2cck

117 "What don't you know, and where would you go for the answer?"

That was the last question?! What a totally fucking moronic piece of crap to end on. Some voters are just plain stupid, and I think McCain should have said just that.

The other thing that stuck out was Obama's admission that he sees healthcare as a right. That's huge. Good thing "government" is going to pay for it.

118 To revisit the poker analogy I made a couple of weeks ago:

Obama-Biden: Unsuited rags - say, Jack-five offsuit
McCain-Palin: Pocket pair of aces

The flop (represented by the events on Wall Street): Jack-Jack-five, giving Obama a full house right off the bat

It's become clear to me that the turn card (i.e. the rest of campaign season, including the debates) will be a big fat blank for McCain, so now he's reduced to needing an ace on the river (i.e. a favorable turnout on Election Day itself) to get the bigger full (White) house.

If this were an actual hold'em hand, assuming no one else was playing and folded an ace, at this point there would be two aces left in the deck out of 44 unknown cards, which means McCain would have a 4.5% chance of catching his two-outer to win.

4.5%... that sounds about right.

119 Oh, and send out Sarah. Give her a machete, Chinese throwing stars, and something semi-automatic. Psychologically, men are diminished in people's eyes when a woman insults and mocks them. They look like pussies who are getting beaten up by a girl. If you let her make Obama cry, you'll win.

120 "Cheer up. After a few years of that people will forget about how much they hated the republicans and they will return to power."

I will not cheer up.  I want the Dems to lose so they throw the far left out of the party.  If they blow this one, I guarantee there will be new people in charge which will be great for this country.

121

Never thought I'd see a more accomplished liar than Bill Clinton...we. are. fucked.

If our candidate can't call him on it, than scew us. How many times can we scream LIAR LIAR? We suck.

122

You're right.  Next time I, for one, will say nothing bad about Mike Huckabee.

Nope. Like I said back then, instead of ripping Huckabee, how about elevating the candidate that you do like? It was all negative, all the time. The Republican (online) base spent most of its energy during the primaries attacking Huckabee, being negative about the other candidates, and in-fighting.

By the time we woke up, McCain backed-doored himself into the nomination. And I warned and warned and warned everyone because I saw it coming. Huckabee was a fringe candidate and his status rose because Christian Conservatives said "fuck you" to the all the cocksuckers telling them to shut up. Now we got McCain.

123

As for the 'we're fucked' mantra; gimme a break. This country, in the height of the Cold War and an economic lapse, elected JIMMY FUCKING CARTER President.

That worked out so well, that 4 years later we got Ronald Reagan. Every once in a while, the public needs a reminder as to what happens when liberals are in charge.

Democrats can never truly tear this country down. You give Obama far too much credit.

124 McCain would probably say that pandering to the left isn't a bug, it's a feature.  But the base would disagree.  Since McCain is too nice to win, does anybody remember if Obama wants us to learn Russian, or Chinese?  In the United Socialists of America it will all be about the healing, right?  Crap, this is going to be like an arranged marriage to an abusive spouse. 

125 #114, I hope Stevens jumps into Augustine Volcano. Just sayin' is all.

126 McCain brought fresh meat to the floor tonight. McCain specifically answered the submitted/accepted questions (dumb as they were) and provided additional material than merely recapitulating the last debate as Obama did. Obama failed to answer questions. According to Gwen Ifill, Obama "blew us all off" as he ignored Americans, stuck so on himself and his blah-blah-blah uninformed crap. So Obama, WHAT WILL THE FINES IMPOSED BE on all those people who can't afford insurance? Let's see, fine the lower economic class, fine businesses, fine "all those living high on the hog", tax, tax, tax.

McCain won. What, because it doesn't require a rocket scientist to figure that out, we're disappointed?

127

The only promising point is that Obama left a bad impression near the end that I think will not sit well with the white lower and middle class.  When he talked about scholarships and aid...

Jesus Christ....we suck.

128

Purchase your weapons before The Messiah is elected.  The end is near.

129

Buying weapons?  Such talk may not be constructive to the general reasoned discourse.

[USCitizen Class III Weapons Dealer]

 

 

130

Time to work on researching impeachment charges against Obama and have them filed on Jan 20th if we can find a few Republicans left in the House after this shitbath.

131 "Permanent GOP majority" Bwahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

132

Boring. This shows why we do not like to elect Senators to the Presidency. McCain talks like he has spent the last thirty years in the Senate. Obama is not the public speaker he thinks he is. My guess is that everyone thinks he is a public speaker because they have not been exposed to any good public speakers.

The difference between McCain and Palin, to my mind, illustrates what is wrong with the Republican Party. McCain is going for the promotion. He has put in the time, he deserves to be President. Palin, on the other hand, like all of us, is an outsider. She has passion, because she understands that the politicians are screwing with our country, our families, our lives. We need a lot less McCains and a lot more Palins.

133

That is 90 minutes of my life I'm never getting back. Quite possibly the most boring 'debate' I've ever seen in my life. The only comment I liked was BO's malapropism 'I'm green behind the ears.'

What a tool.

 

134 What happened? I started watching a douchebag and a turd sandwitch then had to take a unusually long shit. Fuck both of them, Palin 12. If we still have a vote by then.

135

ugh is right. 

 

fuck.

 

I'm firing up the spa.  breaking a commitment on pool blogging.  sorry.

136 Sarah Palin: Space Shuttle
John McCain: Frozen O-ring

137

I thought the first debate was a tie, but McCain won this one.

How high were your expectations if you thought this was a loss?

 

138 Like a few others, I think McCain finally came to life tonight. He was finally able to bring himself to level the Fannie Mae/Freddie Mc debacle on Obama and Dodd. On NATIONAL FUCKING TV. No matter that the MSM wanted to air it ....but tonight they had no choice, and now it's out there. McCain also nailed the boy's misunderstanding of the world. Schooled him on how we infiltrate, befriend and then use the locals in every war since Korea. And when Obama bragged about his plan, McCain stuck a fork in that by introducing the fines for non-compliance that Bama did not previously want to reveal. McCain won this one, and I think he'll come on harder at the last debate, because after the second debate, nobody remembers the first one, after the third debate, nobody remembers the second one.

139

gack -- O will win thanks to the perception of "cool" being a valuable commodity in a leader; a perception to many idiots have

there were some choice bits in there to use as attack ads, and Team McVain had better use them like a two dollar mule or we will be stuck singing praises to THE oNE

anybody else hear O's bit about his plans "for my first term"?  like he's certain he'll be in for more? (hint, hint)

140 In two to three days, most of the polls will be within the margin of error.  McCain scored a couple points here.

Obama has been in the lead position for so long that the undecideds will break against him.  The Bradley affect is alive and well.  Etc.

We do need another three weeks of relentless negative campaigning but that has almost always been the case since we started holding elections in this country.

141 I want to thank all those Huckabee voters who were scared of a Mormon.  Romney would have kicked his ass and have O saying "Thank you can I have another."
Hope you are happy with a president who is total opposition to everything you believe in. 
Feelin' frisky now douchenozzles?  You will be persona non grata in an O administration you stupid mounds of assheads.

142 I couldn't watch it. I'm trying not to let you guys freak me out.

There are, what, 4 justices that would probably need replacing over the next 4 years?

143 He was good and composed, definately... I just... I guess we both wished that he would disembowel him on stage and he didn't do that.  Pretty much.  But maybe he doesn't need to do that to grab a point or two.  And just keep things trending back his way.

144

My initial reaction is that Brokaw is a self important asshole who chose questions in a way as to ensure that the debate would not veer out of Obama's comfort zone of reciting policy crap and canned attacks by rote. 

I agree, and I wonder how it is Brokaw got the gig.  How could McCain have agreed to that?  Brokaw treated it like The Brokaw Show.  This makes me sicker than an e-coli sufferer drinking mexican water and chewing tobacco for the first time while trying to ride a storm out in a ferry boat on 15 foot swells.

145

Obama is not ahead. No one is ahead. Polls have been oversampling Democrats, and besides, they're just polls. The score is 0-0, as the game doesn't take place until November 4. History has proved that Republicans do better in national elections than the polls would suggest. Why? Well, probably because more Democrats are home to answer the phone and have more of an activist mentality that would make them want to answer polls!

Ignore the damn polls and keep doing what you can to help McCain and Palin win!

146 Affect = effect, obviously.

147 Time to work on researching impeachment charges against Obama and have them filed on Jan 20th if we can find a few Republicans left in the House after this shitbath.

If Obama wins, get ready for endless congressional witch hunts of Bush administration officials.

148 Prediction: Debate winner poll: 63% Messiah, 32% McCain, 5% list their religion as "Jedi."

149 For the slightly off topi, unforeseen questions you could see Obama turn to jello. You could smell his fear. "I don't have my 300 advisors debating what I should say!"

"Is Russia the evil empire?"

Obama: deer in the headlights.

On the prepped answers you could understand if Americans thought he "seemed presidential."

But on the unprepped he looked like the bambi that he truly is. I have faith that the mass of Americans not answering pollers' calls may be as scared as i am seeing this and imagining an obama with that same "what do i do now?" look on his face when a new, unprepped crisis rolls around.

150

McCain did go after Fannie and Freddie, and Obama's ties to them. So, there's that. (The commenters who wonder why McCain "didn't" must have turned on the TV late.)

THAT wasn't the cheap point to make. It was that the collapse of Fannie and Freddie was the DEMS fault. Screw "ties to them."

Interesting that McCain didn't bring up Wright's homilies while he (McCain) was talking about how America was such a force of good in the world. And by "interesting" I mean "fatally mistaken".

He thinks bringing up a racist lunatic is beneath him...while the Dems accuse ever point he makes of being veiled racism. Smart.

And yes, Obama needed to go after Ayers and the Weathermen, and didn't. But, if we wanted David Horowitz or Charles Johnson to run against Obama, we'd have nominated one of them...

By "Obama" I assume you mean McCain, and that only "right wingers" would make the case. Like CNN, posted on this site yesterday? Smart.

151 OH MY GOD THIS WAS SOOOOOOOOOO BORING
IT WAS NOT EVEN WATCHABLE!
I THOUGHT THEY WERE GOING TO GET MEDIEVAL OR SOMETHING!
LAAAAAAAAMMMMEEEEE

152 So those 2010 mid-terms are gonna pretty sweet, right?

153 I was bored. McCain should have gone all Cujo and bitten Obama's leg. That would have livened up the debate

I move that instead of the third debate, McCain and Obama should sit around and trade insults about each other's mommas. Nothing like a good "your momma" crack to get things started.

154

If Obama wins, get ready for endless congressional witch hunts of Bush administration officials.

Come on people....don't sub Bush Derangement Syndrome for Obama Derangement Syndrome.

155 "This country, in the height of the Cold War and an economic lapse, elected JIMMY FUCKING CARTER President.

"That worked out so well, that 4 years later we got Ronald Reagan."

Yeah, but Carter was a former naval officer and a small d democrat. Obama is a megalomaniac who designs his own Presidential seal and wants a civilian security agency with budget, equipment, and weapons equal to the Defense Department. The two situations aren't the same.

156

Hmmm.  Ed at HA thinks it went all right and the The Anchoress

Vodkapundit says McCain won on points.

Anchoress said Obama hurt himself by looking like other politicians. And " Obama actually lost 'a lot.' He handed the 'youth, energy and charisma' ball to Sarah Palin."

McCarthy at corner says big loss for McCain.

157

This country is fucking full of idiots and I fucking hate them. I fucking hate idiots. obama knows this and that is how he is going to win the election. Fuck! These fucking idiots think the President controls everything namely the economy. I don't think these idiots even know that our Federal government consists of three branches. Right now, the economy is in shambles and no surprise these idiots are going to think its all Bush's fault, so no big surprise, they will vote for obama. I am so pissed, that my blood is boiling. I fucking honestly think that if you are going to vote, you need to at least know the basics of the Federal government. Its not fucking hard to understand!!! Even this tard gets it.

158 Well Morons, did the earth move for you too?  Because WAF!!!

159 The Cane did what he needed to do:  Those of us that love red meat think he sucked ass, but he NAILED it for voters, you will see

160

"Why was it so many conservatives had such difficulty getting on board for McCain.

oh, yeah.  I remember now."

It wasn't McCain's job to go out there and be the 'ultimate conservative'.  That's Palin's job, and she's doing it remarkably well.  McCain's job in this format is to go out and corral the independant douchebags who still haven't made up their f**king minds yet.  The focus tonight wasn't on us, folks.  If you want red meat, wait for Palin's next stump speech.

161

"McCain and Obama should sit around and trade insults about each other's mommas."

McCain: "My momma may be old, but yours is dead.  Umm, maybe I don't get this 'your momma' joke thing."

162

Sarah Palin: Space Shuttle
John McCain: Frozen O-ring

Heh. 2012

163

Funny that a couple of you caught the "green behind the ears" comment. One is either "green" or "wet behind the ears".

Obama did especially well in pointing out that he was both with that very statement.

164 Don't get the wrong idea about those two oval shaped red marks on my chin. They were just caused by a couple of balls slapping against it.

165

MrsPaulsFishSticks - 'Romney would have kicked his ass and have O saying "Thank you can I have another."' Not sure about that. I could easily see Romney in this debate burbling about healthcare reform in Massachusetts, working together with Democrats, making a better future anddzzzzzzzz*snore*

Now; Ron Paul would have run a better debate, certainly one more entertaining and thought-provoking. Imagine the fun Paul would have had on Obama's "healthcare is a right". And Paul is the only candidate who would have brought up the CRA.

166

It's easy to blame McCain and dislike Obama.  But the problem is the MSM.  Even  back to 2004, the MSM hired lawyers to nail O's primary opponent and general opponent.  But they didn't have $5 for a cab to Trinity Church.  That's simply stunning to me and requires a response from the right.  Where is the right's Soros that could fund an MSM for the right?

 

167 McCain is dominating even more than Palin did on the Fox News text poll, if that means anything.

168 Ugh. Barack Obama is a lying c...

I always get a kick out that.

169 Posted by: KCLady at October 07, 2008 11:27 PM (Ami31)

Usually when a woman says fucking so often KCLady, I'm a might curious... so... what do you look like?

170

Motherfuckin'cocksuckin'cunthairedshitbagsonofabitch...

When obammy talked about how the US needs to intervene in genocidal areas of the world, why didn't McCain just come out and say 'Oh, you mean like Iraq, where Saddam tried to eliminate the Kurds?  And Iraq, where Saddam tried to eliminate the Shia?  The same Iraq where Saddam murdered over 300,000 of his own fellow countrymen, through the use of conventional and WMD, simply because they were of other ethnic/religious groups?'

Yeah, obammy, the US should, and did intervene.  And you were against it.

171 159 (The Cane did what he needed to do: Those of us that love red meat think he sucked ass, but he NAILED it for voters, you will see)

Olberman, get off this board.

172

Be still my heart.

Thank you, Diderot.  That's a first for me, also.

173

CJ - "By "Obama" I assume you mean McCain," Yeah. Loose shit from me. Sorry

174 Can we see poll movement before we start jumping off bridges?

175 McCain is dominating even more than Palin did on the Fox News text poll, if that means anything.

It doesn't but thanks.

176

I don't agree that McCain needed to hit a homerun.

McCain just needed to not look desperate.

Did he manage to do that?  I would say yes.

REMEMBER: McCain already has the base, and we know what a mixed bag he is.  Tonight is about reaching the squishes and, in your face gotcha stuff doesn't appeal to those people.

 

177

Sarah's gotta be like "How much longer can I let this guy drag down this ticket?"

 

178 McCain should have sent in Dick Cheney disguised as McCain.  He would have won the debate with the lightning from his eyes. 

179

Put the apple in his mouth McCains done.  The big media will have him for breakfast. 

God save America.

180 Here's a little good, if not unexpected data from the Armed Services.

Military Times surveyed 4300 readers as to their choice for President.

Overall: McCain 68%, Obama 23%

By Rank
Enlisted: McCain 67%, Obama 24%
Officers: McCain 70%, Obama 22%

By Race
White: McCain 76%, Obama 17%
Black: Obama 79%, McCain 12%
Hispanic: McCain 63%, Obama 27%
Other: McCain 58%, Obama 30%

By Service
Army: McCain 68-23
Navy: McCain 69-24
Air Force: McCain 67-24
Marines: McCain 75-18

By Gender
Men: McCain 70-22
Women: McCain 53-36

By Age
18-34: McCain 65-27
35+: McCain 70-21

Is Obama's lack of military experience important to your decision?
34% say very important
32% say somewhat important
19% say not very important
13% say not at all

Who would be better at handling Iraq & Afghanistan wars
McCain 74-19

The disclaimer says that this is not representative of the whole military because the respondents are older, more senior in rank and less ethnically diverse that the overall armed services.

181

Well, I think we all knew this is what would happen when Romney got screwed by open primaries and McCain's ally Crist in Florida.

No one gives a shit about Romney.

182 It's nice to see that some of you are optimistic about future elections, but we've got no one waiting in the wings to advance the Conservative agenda. All of our Congress critters are lemons.

Ronald Reagan is not going to walk through that door. Barry Goldwater is not going to walk through that door. And if they do, they'll be nothing but hair, teeth, and bones. You're not going to win elections with zombie skeletons, you know.

183 Making it clear,

The Vast majority of voters are NOT AS ENGAGED AS US!  They spend very little time absorbing information, because they do NOT HAVE THE TIME! They raise families, work 2 jobs, etc.  McCain kicked ass and took names this time.  He lost last time but won THIS one.

184 KCLady, I feel your pain, dunno what to do with this pain though.  When I was in 9th grade (late '70s) we had a class called "Civics".  A whole year devoted to learning about our government - from local to state to federal.  The just don't teach the basics any more.  That's why the fucking Demos were/are so pissed about 2000, cuz Gore got more votes after all.  How could he lose????  People are idiots.

185

No Bill Ayers, no Weather Underground, no J. Wright, no Farrakhan, no Rezko, and he totally wiffed on the Fannie/Freddie/Obama connection. 

Actually, on that last point, he sounded equivocal, mealy-mouthed.  He sounded like he was lying about it.

He had to stick a dagger into Obama's thigh and hit an artery, and he was playing bloody knuckles instead.

Best Regards to our new post-partisan overlords

186 Everything is Awesome...now more than ever.

187

Oh yeah, the base is gonna be thrilled with buying stupid people's mortgages. I know I am, since I have to rent because the effing government takes all my free cash every April.

 

188 First of all, I think we get so hung up on the media telling us that McCain needed some kind of home run, that when McCain didn't come out and physically tackle Obama, we automatically think the sky is falling.

I'm tired of this whole, "game changing moment" nonsense that people keep talking about because in two old debates (1984 and 198 two candidates got off memorable zingers. McCain needed to lay down a foundation for the final month of this campaign and he did that. This idea about buying up troubled mortgages is going to be BIG NEWS over the next few days. Will it work? Maybe. Maybe not. But people are going to be talking about it and its something that people are going to perk up their ears.

Three major polls have showed a tightening in this race. State polls usually lag 5-7 days behind national polls, so expect by the next debate to see some tightening there. McCain can let Sarah Palin be the attack dog for the most part on Ayers and Wright. The 527's will do a lot of work on that. Remember, if you live in New Jersey, you're not seeing the ads that are running Florida and Virginia.

We need to chill people. We've become so used to success over the last 8 years. We have a fight on out hands on this one, but it can be won.

189 It's also possible that I'm a hermaphrodite.

190

Wow.  Lot of hysteria here tonight.  I thought McCain was solid, and that he took advantage of the opportunity to talk to the voters, unfiltered by the MSM.  He scored point after point (even though much less smoothly than Obama), and planted numerous seeds of doubt.

I have a feeling he achieved exactly what he set out to do, and that he's marshalling his resources and his timing in a way that makes sense to him.

I'm way more pissed off at Obama--for being such a convincing bullshitter--and the media--for sucking it up like it's secret sauce--than I am with Senator McCain.

191 Balrog 176,

I don't think the race is over, but it would be like your football team being down 16 points with a quarter to go and blowing their next position.

It doesn't mean they've lost the game, but it tends to end up that way more often than not.

192

I think I heard a little slip out of the O's mouth regarding

manditory health care. Govt controled health care.

Preventitave.

Do you smoke?  Smoke what?  Do you drink? Drink what?

Do you eat? Eat what? Do you emit carbons? Emit What?

This could go on forever in a controlled gov "do it for you"

Good buddy vote for me  health care scam.

Does your boobage need mamogramed?

Does your head need examined?

The O    seems to think so.

Screw O. And the ass he rode in on.

193

Heh.  Ann spots the One wearing an earpiece at the debate on her HD.

link

194 Wow. I had the debate recorded and just watched it while reading everyone's comments. Sure, there weren't any fireworks and McCain missed a lot of opportunities to go after Obama's positions more aggressively. But you know what - I think McCain actually did quite well. Given the magnitude of the problems we face I think this election is quickly becoming a referendum on leadership and who has the experience necessary to lead this country in difficult times. On just about every issue that came up I think McCain quietly yet effectively demonstrated his experience and judgement in contrast to the empty suit standing next to him. I really do.

195 Someone needs to find that "Let's wildly overreact to every Presidential Poll Update" and change it to "Let's wildly overreact to every Presidential Debate"

196 Man, I feel like I'm at funeral.  RELAX!
There are still 4 weeks left.  And McCain did a decent job tonight.  As a matter of fact this whole thing makes me even more excited.  With someone like Obama, there have to be some serious bombshells coming.

I'm giddy with anticipation!

K

197 There's a difference between measured realism of the Ace/Allahpundit variety and this crap. Yes, McCain's not that conservative. Have you been alseep for the last 20 years? This is a surprise? That's why he won the primaries. There was no imaginary super-conservative Republican Obama that would have saved us all. The Republican base has apparently degenerated into a bunch of whiny children who think they can hold their breath and make the bad ol' Democrats disappear.

198

<i>"Yeah, but Carter was a former naval officer and a small d democrat. Obama is a megalomaniac who designs his own Presidential seal and wants a civilian security agency with budget, equipment, and weapons equal to the Defense Department. The two situations aren't the same."</I>

Nah, I disagree. Carter was a completely useless and typical liberal democrat. I can't see Obama being much better if worse comes to worse. Plus, I'd argue the stakes were a lot higher with The Soviet Union at the time, fresh out of our failing to save Vietnam.

The point is you give these morons way too much credit. One of the good things about being a conservative is the faith that your country will always prevail over whatever odds.

Does that mean "just happy talk"? Does that mean I'm not fucking seething with rage that Obama's coasting for President while the media blows him? Of course not. I don't think it's over, I want to keep fighting and send this bastard bloodied and bruised back to Illinois. But disregarding this country as a bunch of idiots and crying about the impending Armaggedon is the Democrats game.

Man up, keep up the good fight, and hold this bastard accountable when other won't. We're right, they're wrong...and that's all you really need to move forward.

199

I want to thank all those Huckabee voters who were scared of a Mormon.

Can you imagine how kickass a Romney/Palin ticket would've been?

I still think McCain did okay here considering that Brokaw did his utmost to insulate Obama from any scary questions.

And, folks, all presidential campaigning is about courting the middle.

200

Holy shit, DD actually posted something cogent (#189).

Mods, please don't delete that one

201

Heh. Ann spots the One wearing an earpiece at the debate on her HD.

link

Posted by: ArandomPerson at October 07, 2008 11:36 PM (2PwTK)

Except it's a reflection of light and Ann herself says she can't find it in any other shots. Ergo, not an earpiece.

202

And, folks, all presidential campaigning is about courting the middle.

Oops. forgot to say all general election presidential campaigning.

203

"I agree, and I wonder how it is Brokaw got the gig."

He got it because Russert died. 

204 Also, why didn't McCain call Obama on that "affordable college education" crap? McCain should have demanded to know what majors these "college" kids would be taking. Absolutely no funding ought to go to majors in "International Studies" and other such StuffWhitePeopleLike bullshit. In fact, no funding should go to colleges which even offer a "studies" major.

205 faith that your country will always prevail over whatever odds

"faith" "always"

barf

History happens.

206

 

What we need is campaign fireworks

Can anyone pull a Robin Hood?

I mean, lets disguise Sarah Palin, get her into a Barack event, and get her to the stage. Then we can have a one on one ....

 

That would get the message out, and let the two real opponents spar without the useless moderator. 

 

 

207 Welcome to New France. You will now produce your papers or be arrested.

208 Hot Air's quote of the day sums up my feelings. This was a terrible debate for McCain.

209 Tonight is the night that we can point to when America became a Marxist nation.

Review, in deep detail, the presidencies of Franklin Roosevelt, Lyndon Johnson, Jimmy Carter, and government expansionist, Mr. Wage and Price Controls himself, Richard Nixon. This is not the first time this sort of stuff has happened. The bailout bill may be new, but the socialism is not--Richard Nixon and Jimmy Carter were full of it. And yet, after Roosevelt, we got tax-cutting, defense-hawk JFK. After Lyndon Johnson and Richard "EPA/OSHA/EOC" Nixon, and then Jimmy "Malaise" Carter, we got frickin' Ronaldus Magnust. Ronald Reagan, the Redeemer. Before that, we had Nixon and Gerald Ford. Before that, frickin' Eisenhower.

McCain is an Eisenhower, he's a Nixon (politically). If we get a McCain administration, we will survive it. Barack Obama is a domestic Roosevelt+LBJ+Nixon, and a Jimmy Carter foreign policy. We've seen it all before. Yes, it impacts us negatively. Yes, it impedes our progress and puts us in danger in the world. But we will survive a Barack Obama in the Whitehouse without becoming a Communist state. And we will survive a McCain in the Whitehouse, even though we might end up signing Kyoto and putting the economy in the crapper for a while.

The history is there.

210 There's a pussy on Fox News right now named Gibbs calling Hannity a Jew hater instead of answering questions. Colmes is standing up for Hannity. Its come to this.

I'm getting rid of my tv, taking the money I pay Comcast and going on vacation.

211 Damn.  Over 200 posts already.  I can't hope to catch up, but for every nay-sayer who catches up with me, I'm not too worried after tonight since the debate was a draw.  I think and hope that was McCain's goal.

McCain is looking for a different venue.  One of the rules of warfare is to pick your battlefield.  I don't think he fought to a draw tonight without reason.

Anyhow, I posted thoughts elsewhere, but these are probably the relevant bits:

I think McCain sort of won.

One of the rules of warfare is to make a noise in the east and attack from the west.  Obama seemed focused on the east.  If he was prepared to attack he never did.  He was focused and prepared to defend against something which never happened.  And that's why he was shown to be a boob.

I think McCain has a plan.  I don't think this oatmeal debate is cause for panic.  McCain said the gloves are off, and he wasn't lying.  However, everybody assumed that meant he would take every opportunity to smack Obama.  That would be stupid given the 24/7 news cycle, and the short attention span of the average American.

McCain is gambling again.  Nobody won the debate.  I doubt McCain thinks it was a battle worth winning.  He will take the fight elsewhere.  After all, another rule of warfare is to pick the battlefield.  McCain will bash Obama on the campaign trail.  He intends to seize the initiative and drive the debate in a venue where Obama will necessarily have to take time to formalize a response and fight back.  So long as he can keep Obama in defensive mode, he will have an advantage.

McCain is a successful politician and decorated military hero.  He might make mistakes, but fighting a battle to a draw isn't one he would make without having a greater goal in mind.

212 well, drudge finally got one fucking thing right:  "Boring"

213 Rockhead, when I was senior in high school (the late nineties) we were taught Government for one semester and Economics the other semester. Has the education system in this country gone down the toilet these past ten or so years. Granted, I did go to a private school, so that could explain things.

214 And who is Gibbs? Just The One's communications director.

Is this the new "racist"?

215 186 Everything is Awesome...now more than ever.

DrewM. at October 07, 2008 11:34 PM (hlYel)

Any chance you might be beating that drum just about 30% too hard?

It's entirely plausible to think that McCain had to become much more aggressive overall and that we might have picked up a few points tonight.

216 McCain should have practiced pulling wheelies in a wheelchair while Obama was speaking.

217

Obama, why dost though forsake me.

Obama should have become a smoky mist, which could then enter McCains mouth and nose. This Obama McCain zombie hybrid would then interact with the men and women independents to influence the questions and answers……

 and swing the election toward Obama.

Off to late night with George

218 Problem is, O had better clarity tonight and shadowed what Johnnymac said.  Jmac couldn't shake him.

Just a hunch, not a lot of people paid attention to this.  I have no idea of the consequence, the MSM will predictably spin it, the view hags will savage elizabeth, but beyond that...there's no conclusion to be drawn aside from saying that Jmac didn't do what the base (if we are the base) thought he should do.

I, for one, was shaking my head with the "housing bailout" garbage, and the "corruption" garbage.  Who knows what independents think about it.

219

Wow Jay whats in your kool aid ?  Were we watching the same debate?  McCain needed to come up with something BIG and he did'nt.  I'll be voting for McCain but I feel like one of those sailors in a Perfect Storm.  The Republicans blew it this year, I'm mad as hell. 

This election is for all the marbles, Supreme Court picks, Iraq, Iran, Russia, the economy and much more.  We're going to let a mealy mouthed socialist small time thug foister himself on America because McCain could not and will not stand up for his base.  Tell me how I'm going to defend this wimpy candidate? Tell me how I sell conservative principles to the opposition based on this performance?

220 Not that people are going to care, since the economy is all right now, McCain did dominate the foreign policy section.

Obama spoke either goobledy-gook or proposed diplotardacy.

His every answer from frikkin China to Russia to Iran is to give them American taxpayers money. We must help them build this or put their economy in order or reward here.

This is the graft-ridden Chicago politician talking. Everything goes smoother with a little grease(payola).

he doesn't want to be the world's policeman. He wants to be the world's sugardaddy.

God. Help. Us. All.

221 I pray for a HUGE fucking blizzard the night of Nov 3 into the wee hours.  The O supporters will stay at home in their jammies sucking on their bongs.

Snow Day.  Pray For It!

222 btw, shame on the Congressional Republicans for not vociferously and aggressively rebuking Barney Fag for calling them racists...again.

223 The debate was boring, but i don't think a knockout needs to happen for someone to win. The last knockout in a debate was 24 years ago. I think what's happening is these debates just don't matter much anymore because they're poorly done and predictable, like a sunday morning talk show. Bush lost all three debates in 2004 and still won easily. Being out on the campaign trail and television ads are much more important.

224 McCain wants (us) to buy out all the bad mortgages?!?!?!

What the %^@$^%@#^$??????? 1111one

I just took a step back toward sitting this election out.

...

Obama will be Jimmy Carter 2.0

Romney/Palin 2012.

225

What a bunch of handwringing retards.  Seriously, you morons need an enema.

Yeah, let's have McCain go nuclear in primetime.  That will solve the problem.

For those of you who haven't figured it out yet: Good cop, Bad cop.

I am not sunshine pumping, and I am not pining for four years of Barry O'Carter leading to some mythical rebirth of conservatism.  McCain did what he needed to do tonight - not look like a flailing maniac.  All the yummy goodies that Sarah is getting into the newscycle are raising doubts about Barry, and in the meantime, look at that nice, steady, experienced guy McCain. 

I do not know that it works in the end, but that's the strategy, and I do not think it is a bad one.

226

Not a good debate, but there is an opening for a McCain ad. Apparently no noticed that Obama is suggesting that what we really need is an economic contraction. Energy, use less and get out your Carter era sweaters. I am sure someone can find some video of Carter advocating the same solutions to our energy problems.

Why does energy need a huge government program. Seems to me that we have a few companies that have a great deal of expertise in the field and would be willing to do the work at no cost to the government. Just get the government out of the way and let fossil fuel producers do what they do best.  While they provide the current most efficient fuel source available perhaps there will be a breakthrough in alternative fuels that provides a cost effective solution.

The private sector will provide the next breakthrough. I am sure that there is someone out there that would like to be richer than god and almost as rich as Bill Gates.

227 wow Dick Morris is being brilliant right now on Fox and making McCain's case against Obama regarding terrorist Ayers.

228 The opinions about Barry's "policy" stuff are a joke. The guy is a white hating idiotic terrorist buddy, and everyone is discussing his "policies". Good God. It's like a pre-schooler debating a Summa Cum Laude student while sh*tting in his diapers and wiping it on his face, and everyone is saying, "you know, I don't agree with what he's saying, but lets hear him out, and then beat him on points!...." F8cking idiots all. Great job. If Ayers was black, you'd all give him the same pass. You may want to wake up at some point. Ah, who cares, right? What's going on with Survivor? What new movie is Denzel in? How is TO doing? Jerks

229 Two Democrats debating...one decidedly left-of-center, the other slightly so. A big yawn.

230 I am with 'g'

""McCain wants (us) to buy out all the bad mortgages?!?!?!""

indeed...

Romney and Palin would be a good ticket.

McCain was weak, tired, etc., again.

A complete disaster.

We deserve an apology, especially for his repeated failure to defend - explain the admirable reasons to use force to remove a monstrous dictator in Iraq who rewarded PLO suicide bombers...

231

I have a feeling he achieved exactly what he set out to do, and that he's marshalling his resources and his timing in a way that makes sense to him.

What the fuck does this mean?

232 Palin-Romney 2012. Romney just doesn't have "star power".

233

How many times can you use the excuse "It's all George Bush's fault!"

 

Been eight years of nothing but, by my count.

 

"Sir, you got two <b>TWO</b> cans of beans today!.  Keith, another stunning sign of the brilliance of the Obama administration."

 

 

234 What our right and honorable friend, Balrog of Morgoth, doesn't understand is that McCain is losing his base, thus losing the energy, thus losing the GOTV effort that is crucial on election day. Furthermore, McCain isn't gaining any independents.

235 Biscuiteater, did you write that last debate question?

236 McCain needed to come up with something BIG and he did'nt.

Why?

237 CJ Said:
What the fuck does this mean?

It means that McCain pays professionals to run his campaign, and just because they don't so everything exactly the way you or I would, does not mean they are incompetent.

K

238 this would be alot easier if it was like the mafia

239

It's finished, McCain has no chance.

240 Just curious but at some point between now and election day, will McCain bitch slap Obama for continuing to say al Qaeda is stronger now than at anytime since 9/11?

If Mav can't make the case why winning in Iraq is important (beyond his being right about the surge) he's a fucking idiot.

241

Balrog, you're right on #225. McCain won this one; and as for the stuff I and many of the rest of us wish McCain had said, all that could still be said in a future debate.

I suspect that as the Congressional Black Caucus ramps up the Palin-is-racist talk, more and more moderate whites will get disgusted - not to mention, worried about how they'll fare under the Community Organiser and his better half, Grievance Girl.

But anyway. I'd like to hear from our host why McCain's mortgage bailout plan is a bad one. We're in need of a financial overhaul, yes? We're not on principle opposed to the occasional government intervention, yes?

242 PA if you want your 12 point buck and Yuengling beer you'd better vote McCain/Palin.  Cause say bye-bye to your guns, your deer, your orange vests, your fighter pilot hats, your flannel shirts (they will be banned, can you see O in one?) and your beer.  The beer will go because govt healthcare will say its bad for you and will cost them $$$.
You'll have to make nice with the wildlife, not eat them.

243

I do think in a contrarian way this debate could be better for McCain than expected.  I hear a lot of conservatives angry that McCain was center-right and not conservative, but we all already know that.  To us he's nothing more than a seat warmer for Palin, don't forget that.   Obama looked center-left but that's how the media has painted him and how moderates look at him so looking it again may not be much of a benefit. 

However, McCain according to the dems and media is Bush III.  The media has painted Bush as an extreme right-wing nut conservative which moderates fear.  By looking decidedly center-right McCain could have helped himself more with moderates than Obama did.  Of course that is so long as conservatives don't have a collective freak out over McCain being who we all know him to be.

244 Bart@234 McCain is losing his base

Huh?  Even with Sarah on board?

I tend to agree with the balrog... it's good cop / bad cop.

245 Maltpointer - "I have a feeling he achieved exactly what he set out to do, and that he's marshalling his resources and his timing in a way that makes sense to him." I'm sorry, but you need to put the bong away when you type. Just shifting it to the left hand won't do.

246 It's extremely dark in here with my head halfway up my colon.

I am, however, enjoying the smell.

247 Hit the open Poll

248 "Hit the open Poll"

For what purpose?

249 I am suddenly interested in acquiring an "We're Screwed 08" bumper sticker again. I just wish there was a conservative in this election, after listening to the debate it seems like we have the communist vs the socialist. I will still drag myself out on election day and unenthusiastically vote for McCain because then at least I will be able to say I stood against the Obama/Ayers agenda for this country.

250

Bart - "wow Dick Morris is being brilliant right now on Fox"

To cite Krusty the Klown - "Yeah. On Fox."

It would help if we could get someone on another channel...

251

Chris Wallace to Mitt Romney (just now):  "Good to see you, Gov. Romney.  We've missed you."

Oh, boy

 

Heh.

252

"What our right and honorable friend, Balrog of Morgoth, doesn't understand is that McCain is losing his base, thus losing the energy, thus losing the GOTV effort that is crucial on election day. "

He's losing his base?  Losing the energy? Then why are 10-20 thousand cheering people showing up at every Palin event?  Why did 70 million tune in to watch the VP debate?  Sarah Palin is responsible for the base, and the base is fine (not counting the suicidal nay-sayers who post on these blogs).  McCain is targeting the dopes who will spend ~10 minutes between now and election day thinking about who to vote for.  People need to understand that the next 4 weeks will be spent focusing on a relatively small number of voters in about 7 or 8 states.  Everyone who's having a bird because McCain didn't cover our X-Y-Z arguments needs to chill out. 

 

253 ... and with 246, DD once again snarks his way back into an event horizon of suck.

254 Just curious but how come Mav didn't point out that the lax banking laws in Delaware that Obama was complaining about happens to be the state one Joe Biden represents (no, he's not really the 3rd Senator from PA, it just seems that way)?

Did Mav not want to hurt his friend's feelings? I mean, it's not like people are mad at banks or anything now, so there's nothing to capitalize on or anything.

255 Still, I'd be willing to bet that when we come to about Oct 30 or so, the polls will show pretty much a dead heat. That is, after people *really* start thinking about Obama.

256

Choice is clear

1) Lose the debate

or

2) Win the War

which is more important? Unless you actually have a bet with a friend or coworker, the choice is clear

McCain is a Naval officer, strategy and tactics are his game. And with Schmidt and a backup of Rove ... come on quit wailing.

257 WHO IS GOING TO PRODUCE THE SO-CALLED “SUBPRIME LETTER” THAT OBAMA CLAIMS TO HAVE WRITTEN TWO YEARS AGO TO WARN PAULSON OF THE F/F INSTABILITY? Where’s the post-dated document? Obama just recently began this claim that I don’t believe.

258 I noticed that true Drew 254.

259

"I pray for a HUGE fucking blizzard the night of Nov 3 into the wee hours.  The O supporters will stay at home in their jammies sucking on their bongs."

Pardon me, while not an Obama supporter, I tend to gently inhale on my bong.

260 234 What our right and honorable friend, Balrog of Morgoth, doesn't understand is that McCain is losing his base, thus losing the energy, thus losing the GOTV effort that is crucial on election day. Furthermore, McCain isn't gaining any independents.

Posted by: Bart at October 07, 2008 11:57 PM (wuRPB)

I respectfully disagree with my friend Bart, Senator from the great state of whichever one he's from:

McCain never had the base.  Palin has the base.  McCain is what he is, and he is running as what he is.  We always knew this.  The winner of this election is the one who best defines Obama, and the way I look at it, McCain and Palin are engaging him from two different directions. It is like two cats playing with a snake.

To some extent, McCain going nuclear in the debates undercuts Palin, if that makes any sense.

I'll say again what I've said before: This is not McCain vs. Obama, it is Palin vs. Obama.  I may be tragically wrong.  We'll see soon enough.

Footnote: If McCain started playacting like he was a diehard rockribbed conservative, who would really buy it?  It would hurt him the same way Obama's hopey changey bringer of light bullshit gets nicked everytime Sarah gets in front of a microphone.

 

261 Edit: McCain never had the enthusiam of the base.  We were all going to eat the shit sandwich, but Bart does have a salient point about GOTV.

262

Balrog ..... I like the Snake analogy ..... Barry is a snake too. My sister described him as a jewelry salesman, trying to sell you something you simply cannot afford. 

McCain never had the base.  Palin has the base.  McCain is what he is, and he is running as what he is.  We always knew this.  The winner of this election is the one who best defines Obama, and the way I look at it, McCain and Palin are engaging him from two different directions. It is like two cats playing with a snake.

263 Balrog, the problem is as the Hot Air comment of the day proposes.

McCain allowed Obama to appear normal. And McCain-Palin have to paint Obama correctly for the radical he is, and those associates with.

Without that, they're sunk.

264 None of my liveblog comments were published, and that makes me sad.

Hopefully, McCain will put on his shitkickers and get serious about winning this damn thing!

265

Jay, (not picking on you per se).  McCain needed to come out with something BIG because he is behind.  He is behind in nearly every poll in the country.  Although this is not a football game tonight would have been a good time for a "Hail Mary" play. We're less than 4 weeks out from the election, Barring an October surprise on a grand scale it is doubtful McCain can win. The real shame is how many other Republicans he takes down with him.

266

"Biscuiteater, did you write that last debate question?"\

I have to go back to see what last question i wrote.

267

"Pardon me, while not an Obama supporter, I tend to gently inhale on my bong."

Pass it this way, please.  :-)

268 Ugh.Glad I make my living in a grey/illegal way. Anybody is who is a self-sufficient contributor over the next  few years is going to end up feeling like a chump. The moneygrab party is on folks.

269 Give up! Give up!

Jesus Fucking Christ.

270

Biden is a nobody, McCain Palin are creating a two front war

They are different enough from eachother, that the MSM is forced to report on both of them.

271 McCain and Palin are engaging him from two different directions.

Like a Velociraptor!!

Best scene in Jurassic Park: "Clever girl." ~ Muldoon.

272 Random thoughts:

Two debates and no questions on guns, abortions, immigration or gay marriage.

I thought McCain was about as engaging as a damp sock tonight.  He looked old, tired, and uninspired as he endlessly repeated his talking points.

Have two presidential candidates ever offered fewer specifics about their policy proposals? 

Anyone else notice how Obama answers every question by saying, "We need to be concerned about....we need to understand....etc."?  It's never about what he's gonna do.

273 #271

ROFLMAO

274 Have two presidential candidates ever offered fewer specifics about their policy proposals?

Yeah but to be honest when they do they scare the hell out me so either way it's teh sux.

275 #242 MsPaul 

Them's fightin' woids.  Flyover country will be harder to take than originally  anticipated.  FWIW.

276 Time for a "How screwed are we?" thread. Sigh.

277

Warden - "Anyone else notice how Obama answers every question by saying, "We need to be concerned about....we need to understand....etc."?  It's never about what he's gonna do. "

Or about how O was going to "study" nuclear power. But on reducing energy "consumption"... that was something that O wanted to do as a matter of national security.

278

Posted by: Justin at October 07, 2008 11:45 PM

I hope you're right, Sun Tzu. I really do. But if McCain's in Obama's OODA loop, well... I'm hoping he just passed on a false chance to fire. Personally, I thought he should have taken a Gillooly bar to Obama's knees.

Then again, maybe I'm just Kimbo Slice's corner and don't know what the fuck I'm talking about.

279 This country, in the height of the Cold War and an economic lapse, elected JIMMY FUCKING CARTER President.

We were stupid then. Another 32 years of leftist / feminist indoctrination hasn't improved the voting stock.

280 I'm not Dennis Miller, but I did stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night...

281 Yeah but to be honest when they do they scare the hell out me

Yeah, I'm so thrilled that McCain is doubling down on the "let's bail out a bunch of irresponsible deadbeats in order to prevent the market from determining housing prices" strategy.

So, in other words, fuck you assholes who did the 30 year fixed mortgage with 20%.  Pony up and support these losers who will likely be handed better interest rates for being a bunch of fuck ups, you suckers.  Oh, and if you plan on upgrading after saving for a few years?  You'll be paying an artificially high price for your new home, as my plan guarantees to continue the artificial demand that caused this mess to begin with.

So awesome. I'm fucking thrilled that I've been living in an undesirable neighborhood and saving for the last 6 years to move my family into a safe area with good schools.  Stupid me, taking responsibility for my own financial situation.

282 OK, did Allah write this?

283 Question: Obama keeps claiming that McCain said that Iraq would "be easy" and "we'd treated as liberators." Is that true? I don't remember anyone saying it would be easy. And, technically, we did liberate the Iraqis, whether or not the Iraqis or cocksucker-Leftists realize it.

284 over at hillaryclintonforum.net, a largely PUMA organization, it's a McCain win.
if he's reaching those people positively at all, there may be light at the end of the tunnel.
OMG, is that racist?
who are the brain police?

285
How do I reduce energy consumption and still get to my job?

How do I reduce energy consumption and still heat my home?

How do I reduce energy consumption and still ... oh, crap, this is useless.

I don't know about you, but I'm right up against, every month. Trying to pay my bills, my mortgage, buy groceries, gas, what have you--and barely succeeding. I don't need assholes in Washington to tell me to reduce any further. I'm already reduced, right down to the bone. If I have to pay any additional taxes, if there's a tax increase, I am fucked. As for Obama and his "we need to be concerned about" trope: screw you. I got plenty of concerns. I'm trying to provide and I'm having a goddamn hard time doing it. I don't have disposable income. It has already been disposed.

Assholes.

286

"Biscuiteater, did you write that last debate question?"

I don’t understand your question, could you  clarify?

287

I think there are many AoS threads over the last year where I often posted 'we are so fucked'.

We are so fucked.

288 Foxnews.com has a pic on the homepage that has the title:

TOWNHALL THUNDER
Candidates Clash on Economic Fix.

Uhmmm  what debate were they watching?

K

289

The Brain Police, they live inside of my head.

The Brain Police, they come to me in my bed.

290 Re: #53
Perhaps McCain chose not to go after obama because he wants to pander to the people in the middle.

I agree. How else to explain the TOTAL DISCONNECT between  the McCain we saw yesterday, who was the attack dog we've been waiting for, and the utterly disappointing mamby-pamby McCain who showed up at tonight's debate.

Conventional wisdom says elections do get decided by that 15-20% in "the middle" who, supposedly, one month before Election Day are still undecided. So ask yourself: What kind of person, in this election, with these candidates, would still be UNDECIDED at this point in time, for crying out loud? A person with absolutely no personal political philosophy, that's what! A person who never picks up a newspaper except maybe for the comics and the crossword puzzle. A person who comes as close as you and I can imagine to living under a rock.

THESE people DO decide their vote on the basis of very shallow things, including "Oh, he seems like a nice man." Makes my head want to explode. But there you have it. And perhaps your theory's correct, that that's who McCain was playing to tonight. I hope so, anyway. And hopefully, enough of the people who are at least minimally connected with the real world will tune in to the news enough to see and hear the attack dog we saw yesterday!

291

I just want to nuke someone out of spite. Let's see Iran light up.

It might not do anything for the election, but if I were Bush, I'd just go ahead and start making it difficult for Obama to let us get buttfucked. Nuke Iran, Syria, and Pyonyang. Fuck'em. If Obama's getting in, someone somewhere's gonna fucking glow like an F-Sequence Stellar Object. That way we won't have to dodge cruddy 30 kiloton devices lobbed our way while Obama's sucking their collective marxist cocks in Damascus for the next four years.

292 BTW, I don't think McCain necessarily needed a TKO.  If Barry's lead is (as some wiser heads have suggested) just a bounce, it may dissipate over time (and changing the subject) just so.  Then McCain will just have needed to advance his memes and work on fundamentals for when the race gets back to its "real" course.

(Of course, the prospect of Captain Zero winning may continue the financial turmoil...)

Anyway, we'll see how the polls move.

(Disclaimer:  I didn't watch the debate, so all of your panic is very funny.  Not because I think it's wrong, but because all this stuff is funny from a distance.)

293 288 Foxnews.com has a pic on the homepage that has the title:

TOWNHALL THUNDER
Candidates Clash on Economic Fix.

Uhmmm  what debate were they watching?

K

Posted by: Kestrel¢¼ at October 08, 2008 12:32 AM (p6Tpr)

LOL.  It was a game of Rock. Scissors. Paper.

They both kept throwing down with Paper.

Which was fine by me, as noted above.

294 BTW, my theory above may be bullshit.  But it's at least plausible, and no one else has stated it, so I might as well.

295 Let's just start stealing shit from liberals.

Why not?

Isn't that all these elections are about anymore?  Stealing your neighbors' tax dollars?

The lamebrains in that audience make me sick." What do I get?  Where's my pony?  Gimme some free shit!  Fix my life! Take care of me, I'm a bed wetting 2 year old."

From the greatest generation to THIS.

Disgusting.

296
I live in Cook County and I hate government, all government. Give me good government, or just half-way decent government, maybe I'll change my opinion.

If you're worried about Obama being a radical, you're worried about the wrong thing. He's a Chicago/Illinois politician. That's worse than being a radical.

297

#190 You are dead on.  You all need to ask  yourselves, "Which candidate will get more commercials out of this debate?"  I am afraid to say that the days of the knock out punch in a debate are over.  Hasn't been one since Reagan.  But...

Who gave more concise answers? Who has the better soundbites?  That is how elections are won today.

"Steady hands on the till.  Everything I learned about leadership I learned from a chief petty officer.  I know what suffering is.  I know how to be picked up by friends and strangers."  The list goes on and on.  The key to sales against a new product is to  cast doubt.  McCain did that.

There was nothing new about Uhbama tonight, and that is what made it boring.

298 Oh, it looks like Balrog already put it out there.

This, by the way, is 100% correct:

"McCain never had the base.  Palin has the base."

299 Obama is a slicker salesman than McCain. Whoop-dee-da-dooo! Congratulations, American fuckfaces, you got yourself a great huckster as your next president.

Well, getting taken in by a jive-talking huckster eventually worked out well for the denizens of River City, Iowa -- the bickering school board members magically turned into a barbershop quartet; little Ronnie Howard learned to cope with his socially crippling speech impediment; the mayor's wife stopped being a censorious harpy fixated on Baaaalls-zack; and Marian the 40-year-old-virgin Librarian finally got her library card punched, if you know what I mean. (Hint: I mean that her hymen was broken by Prof. Harold Hill's erect penis, or so we can infer.)

So anyway, my plan if Obama wins is just to go into a fetal position with The Music Man looping continuously in the DVD player, and telling myself that things will be okay...

300 (Also, I don't mean McCain should change the subject.  I meant the subject is bound to change over a month.)

301 Throbert!  Man, it's been ages.

302 Did not see the debate, and I am seeing wildly mixed reactions here and on some other RW blogs.

I am one who thinks that McCain should be fighting harder...but looking at the transcript, what was McCain supposed to do? Was he supposed to start hitting Obama on Ayers or Wright when the question was about something else? That would go over well with we red-meaters, but I doubt with anyone else.

Irt's obvious to me, again from the transcript, that the questions and questioners were carefully vetted. the whole thing would be much more informative had there been a few wild card questions from the rabble, IMO.

I'm not ready to jump off the bridge yet, but I'm starting to notice just how high it is.....

303 If anyone has that MO whitey tape, right about now would be a good time to break it out.

304 Guys, Obama said that healthcare is a right. Have you any idea what that means? It means the government is obligated to provide healthcare to its <strike>serfs</strike> citizens.

305

Anyone else getting hostile contact all of sudden? Currently I'm getting spooky stuff  from a "very liberal" Iranian. No mutual friends. Trying to understand where this is coming from.

 I'm a tad bothered. We have four young kids here. I imagine those who have a website  might have to deal with more hate. 

Just wondering about the level of attack we're dealing with. My brother is a cop and told me they are already preparing for election night. Riots are expected on both cases.

Crap. Even as I type I'm getting the very persistent Iranian's multiple scariness.

306 297

#190 You are dead on.  ....

"Steady hands on the till.  Everything I learned about leadership I learned from a chief petty officer.  I know what suffering is.  I know how to be picked up by friends and strangers."  The list goes on and on.  The key to sales against a new product is to  cast doubt.  McCain did that.

There was nothing new about Uhbama tonight, and that is what made it boring.

 

Everybody on liveblog exploded when that guy asked the question (apparently thinking it was another Obama plant), but I thought he was just doing what a good CPO does: Set the table for his officer to look good.

Some of those clowns probably were Obama plants, but if that Navy chief wasn't already a McCain supporter, I'll eat my hat.

Exit question: If African-Americans are, as the media tells us, overwhelmingly supporting Obama, why do focus groups of "undecideds" have a makeup that is at least 10% (Maybe more, from what I saw on Luntz) African-American?  Maybe I just need to "suspend my disbelief" on that one.

307 ...a jive-talking huckster...

that's racist!

jive

308 Perhaps I should email the obama campaign and beg him not to turn this country into a communist nation. I am so scared for the future of our country. obama scares the crap out of me. That is why I am going to vote for McCain.

309

Obama made up the fact that the government invented the computer.

 

Nail him on it slackers.

 

310

I tried to link to my post on this but the comments wont let me

 

check out centristnetblog.com for details on the history of the invention of the computer and obama's falsity

311 I think there are a lot of Obamabots running around the conservative blogs tonight and posting crap.  While the debate was not the slice'n'dice I was hoping for, I am stunned at some of the defeatist bullshit I am reading.  The fact still remains that the polls we have been ingesting all along are quite possibly weighted in a way that the election will not be, unless these fucking communists find a way to manipulate that, too.

Grow a pair, people.  The base is sound and solid.  Palin is on fire.  Obama is still an empty suit and the wind was really whistling through it tonight.

McCain/Palin!!

312 Squatch at October 08, 2008 12:23 AM (COZb

I don't know if I'm right, I can only say what I thought.  And I saw a draw tonight.  Obama could only defend himself against a doddering old man.  He certainly didn't offer a nova of offense against a fellow who bumbled around the stage like Hank Hill's shinless father.

I think that McCain offered Obama a whole reel of rope with which to hang himself.  I think the gamble is whether Obama will take the bait.

A draw can be a win for McCain.  Obama is thin-skinned and arrogant.  Don't forget that in the past, he has taken every opening McCain has offered and been crushed.

313

Here ya go Geoff

Creators of the first electronic computer:

Professor John Atanasoff and graduate student Clifford Berry built the world's first electronic-digital computer at Iowa State University between 1939 and 1942. The Atanasoff-Berry Computer represented several innovations in computing, including a binary system of arithmetic, parallel processing, regenerative memory, and a separation of memory and computing functions.

314

#287 pretty much summed it up.

We.Are.So.Fucked.

I guess McCain spent it all yesterday in Albequrque. He's going to need a lot more political Viagra between now and 11/4 to even have a prayer.

I understand not wanting to completely ignore the question but when else is he going to have the chance to talk to everyday Americans (not us political junkies) about the Obamarxist, his radical, Marxist, Che loving associations, the CAC, Ayers, the Global Poverty Act (which is one fucking scary piece of legislation) that Obama is primary sponsor of, Obama's plans for a National Civilian Defense Force funded equally with the Pentagon (what the fuck is the police and local law enforcement for?!?!?), and all of the other Marxist shit he has planned. McCain failed tonight and failed miserably. If the average American knew about this crap, there is no way in hell they would EVER vote for Obama. Ever.

315

In other news

Palin Talks to the Press Aboard Her Plane

Sarah Palin granted her traveling press corps their first full press conference aboard her plane today and said she will continue to link Barack Obama to 1960’s radical Bill Ayers even while Americans are suffering with the crushing economic crisis:

“Americans are caring about the problems in the economy of course And wanting to know what those long term solutions are that our ticket can provide and what the other ticket is proposing so when you talk though about what it is that we are proposing and what it is that Barack Obama is proposing again it is relevant to connect that association that he has with Ayers–not so much he as a person Ayers, but the whole situation and the truthfulness and the judgment there that you must question if again he’s not being forthright in all of his answers as to how did you know him, when did you know him, why would you continue to be associated with him?” Palin asked, “It makes you wonder about the forthrightedness, the truthfulness of the plans that he is telling America in regards to the economic recovery because that is first and foremost on Americans’ minds.”

This was the first time the Alaska governor took questions from the reporters who have been traveling with her over the last month. The rare opportunity took place on a flight from Pensacola, FL to Greenville, NC. She introduced herself to the press she did not know and engaged in some small talk about reporter’s families even passing me a Happy Birthday message to my mom after she learned it was her birthday.

316

I am noticing a lot of people on the left are having a cow because McCain referred to obama as "that one" I didn't watch the debate, so I really have no opinion. Did McCain sound condescending when he said that?

317 257 WHO IS GOING TO PRODUCE THE SO-CALLED “SUBPRIME LETTER” THAT OBAMA CLAIMS TO HAVE WRITTEN TWO YEARS AGO TO WARN PAULSON OF THE F/F INSTABILITY? Where’s the post-dated document? Obama just recently began this claim that I don’t believe.


What?  He refuses to produce his Vault Birth Certificate and you are asking him to produce some letter he claims to have sent to some guy who works in the same city he works in?

Are you on crack?

Barack Obama doesn't produce proof of anything...thats why you have to BELIEVE!

318 RE: #110

4 years of obama, and god willing, a conservative revolution afterwards will get us exactly where Reagan got us in the political spectrum. As hard as he tried, the nation still wound up 1 step forward and 2 steps back towards a socialist society.

One problem with that theory:
SUPREME COURT.
Obama pledges to appoint judges in the mold of Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer.
God help us. Forget the "2 steps back" trope. It could take us all the way to the society that Ayers and Dohrn want to see--and that, I'm afraid, would be past the point of no return.

As several here have suggested, get your guns and ammo now, while you still can.

319 "Obama pledges to appoint judges in the mold of Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer.
God help us."

Since he'd be replacing Ginsburg, Souter, and/or Stevens, it doesn't make much difference.

320 #302

Agree!  In this setting, an attack would not have won McCain any votes.  But I do expect to see a return to Albuquerque style campaigning tomorrow.  And, I'm guessing Palin will be up late tonight, lockin' & loadin'

321 Look all you whiney little girls.  SUCK IT UP.  As a lifelong liberal democrat who is taking a massive amount of verbal butt raping from many of my koolaid drinking freinds who don't understand what is wrong with me, i say to you, stop your bitching and put your energy into making sure that barky remains the junior senator from chitown.

If i can Defend McCain and support him for the good of the country, you whiney little bitches can too.  Now stop your bitchin and go do something to help him win.

Go picket Obama events.  Chant LIAR LIAR LIAR over and over and disrupt his events for the next 28 days.

End of  the public service announcement from your temporary freinds on the left.

322 "stop your bitching and put your energy into making sure that barky remains the junior senator from chitown"

Eh, let them get it out of their system.

Tomorrow, another reminder to get out there.

323 #316

He sounded a bit dismissive.  As he should!

324

I am noticing a lot of people on the left are having a cow because McCain referred to obama as "that one" I didn't watch the debate, so I really have no opinion. Did McCain sound condescending when he said that?

Posted by: KCLady at October 08, 2008 12:55 AM (Ami31)

I thought he sounded dismissive of Obama, which is exactly how he should speak to someone of Obama's inexperience and arrogance.  I could see why the lefties would get worked up though.  I'm sure it was some sort of racist code to them.

325 It's over.

326 Posted by: CB at October 08, 2008 01:01 AM (9Wv2j)

Beat me to it!

327 Welcome to the Socialist States of America.

I was looking at my paycheck during the debate. Boy am I going to miss it.

328 325 It's over.

Posted by: SlaveDog at October 08, 2008 01:02 AM (H6Jyg)

Thank you for stopping by, Peggy.

329 CB is absolutely right. Obots are using Saul's rule. They were taught well at Obama's Camp. Do not despair. The base is in. They will not sit out. PUMAs are in ... 38% of them will not vote for Obama, write in Hillary or vote for McCain - all votes against Obama. Keep the faith. Do not look at the polls - they are skewed - polling more Dems then Reps. That's my .02 for the evening. Ciao.

330 come on, you guys really going to do this shit?  Really?  Really?

I promise you no good will come of this.

Further, it's quite obvious why McCain won.   McCain won because candidates who were better in most ways on paper nevertheless were wrongly disqualified by a critical mass of  voters for departing from the conservative orthodoxy on one  issue or trait.

Guiliani -- pro-choice, "gun grabber"

Romney -- conservative  positions suddenly arrived at; further, there is intense anti-mormon bigotry among many in the religious right, and I'll call that for what it is.

Fred -- actually, on paper, no disqualifying positions, but seemed a lot weaker, more frail, and less charismatic than I'd hoped, and got into it far too late, and didn't seem to be energetic enough to make up for lost time.

so, as in previous years (1996?) the party dumbly chose an "acceptable" candidate instead of a possible winning candidate.

331

KC, you're exactly right -- anyone who thinks the president is responsible for everything that happens is a doofus and an idiot munch.  And it just reinforces my decision to vote for McCain.  Come on, anyone who thinks of just sitting this out, you're not only helping Barry win, you'd also be helping to set up all three branches in the hands of the Dems (and the neo-Dems at that, which Lieberman tried to point out).  If anything vote for the idea of checks and balances like our Founding Fathers designed.

Besides, puppies, who are way more awesomely awesome in their awesomeness than anyone else on this entire planet, consistently vote for JohnnyMac over Barry.  So if it's good enough for (way awesome, totally cool) puppies, then it's good enough for me -- they aren't called man's best friend for nothing.

Plus a big shout out to my amphibious brothers (and sisters), Semper Fi!   (my husband and daughters' group isn't too shabby in that poll either, so a shout out to them too I guess -- Hoo-ah and Rangers Lead the Way!)  So there, who you gonna follow?  Totally cool, completely awesomely awesome puppies, Devil Dogs, and Dogfaces, or patchouli soaked, whiney little cud chewing yippies who would like to demoralize you (ehem, that other "dog")? 

 

 

332 Has anyone mentioned how completely, totally and utterly fucked we are?

This country is going bankrupt. The world economy is collapsing. And we have 2 candidates wondering if health care should be paid for or not? And if they should have to pay their mortgage or not?

Epic Fail.

333 "Further, it's quite obvious why McCain won"

Yes -- Huckabee split the conservative vote.

Period.

But Ace, people haven't been arguing this for hundreds of comments.

334 what was disapponting to me is I thought the quartet of guiliani, romney, mccain, and thompson was a very STRONG slate, almost an embarrassment of riches.  it didn't turn out that way at all.

335
The first 50 times McCain said "My friends..." it was cute.

Now, not at all.  Knock-it-the-fuck-off!

336 #309

Obama made up the fact that the government invented the computer.

Hate to say it but he's right.
IIRC
The Army needed a better way to calculate artillery fire during WW2.
Can't quite remember the name.

BTW Obama still a douche

337 If anything wakes you up, this will:

Please read the very last sentence every single day from tonight until November 4 ...

From dailykookville:
Another great night. How about we take a few minutes to drop a few sawbucks into the coffers of the candidates who will help usher a new progressive America -- from Barack Obama at the top, all the way down to the Senate and House candidates.

This is a multi-front battle. The White House is important, so give to Obama, but don't forget that he's going to need as much support as possible in the House and Senate, and we've got a whole bunch of GREAT House and Senate candidates in the "better Democrats" mold.

So give now, and throw some anvils to drowning Republicans. Opportunities like this cycles don't happen very often. In fact, we may never see one like this again.

Let's do our part to usher in a historic progressive majority.

338 Why do I think a lot of these so called undecided voters are not going to show up to vote on Election Day? I have never met an undecided voter. The people I have met either know who they are going to vote for right away or they don't bother to vote because they just aren't into politics and could care less.

339 How can anyone with even a single functioning brain cell think that Obama would do other than complete the destruction of our economy, our liberty and our democracy?  How can anyone this side of an induce coma not notice that the ONLY information we have about this creep is what comes out of his own mouth? 

340 BTW
VOTE!
At least you can say to yourself (even if McCain loses) you made a stand.

341 In the same way we wildly overreact to Presidential Polls, let's all continue to wildly overreact to the Presidential debates.

342 "What was disapponting to me is I thought the quartet of guiliani, romney, mccain, and thompson was a very STRONG slate, almost an embarrassment of riches.  it didn't turn out that way at all."

Huh?

Also -- when were the Republicans favored to win this thing? I think the campaign is going well considering. Yes, Obama will probably still win, but McCain's within striking distance and it's closer than it was supposed to be.

343 "what was disapponting to me is I thought the quartet of guiliani, romney, mccain, and thompson was a very STRONG slate, almost an embarrassment of riches.  it didn't turn out that way at all."

no shit

"The first 50 times McCain said "My friends..." it was cute.

Now, not at all.  Knock-it-the-fuck-off!"

no shit

344 RE:#184
When I was in 9th grade (late '70s) we had a class called "Civics".  A whole year devoted to learning about our government - from local to state to federal.  The just don't teach the basics any more.  That's why the fucking Demos were/are so pissed about 2000, cuz Gore got more votes after all.  How could he lose????  People are idiots.

And for that, we can thank "education reformers" like Bill Ayers and his buddy Barack Obama.

345 All of you fuckers are mourning that it's over. That we're done. I know the reason why. It's because you fat fuckers who complain on here aren't doing anything. You want McCain to lose because he's not "exciting enough for you". He "doesn't take risks".

Lorien, especially, needs to be buttfucked by Barney Frank in order to get any joy out of him. Well, let me tell you something, everyone: You all are a bunch of whiny ass fucknut quitters. When things don't go your way, you moan and bitch and complain. My words to you: Shut the fuck up, and start logging calls or walking a beat.

I'm not one of these happy camper type people. I don't think things are fine, but I am willing to do whatever is necessary to make certain that Barack Obama doesn't end up shutting down the blogosphere with his brownshirt brigades of military devotees and Mao-styled children's choruses. And if you all give a fuck about Ace, and the rest of the blogosphere, you WILL do likewise.

346 We have one hope left: Obama and Biden haven't gone duck hunting yet.

347 #305
So call me racist. If the ignorant masses riot over championship basketball games what kind of nightmare will election night be no matter who wins? I'm voting early and going to the woods til it all blows over. Obama can't control his supporters and frankly I don't think he wants to.

348 Ace says: Romney -- conservative  positions suddenly arrived at; further, there is intense anti-mormon bigotry among many in the religious right, and I'll call that for what it is.

Sir, I am a member of the religious right and resent your accusation of anti-mormon bigotry. Though I believe Mormonism is a false religion, Mr. Romney was not seeking a job in my church. The irony did not escape me that the so-called-polygamist Mormon should be the only candidate on the Republican side still with his first wife. After Mr. Thompson dropped out I supported Mr. Romney.

As for his conservative positions suddenly arrived at that bothered me much more than his Mormonism. That continues to bother me about Mrs. Palin's running mate.

349 "And if you all give a fuck about Ace, and the rest of the blogosphere, you WILL do likewise."

Actually I'm pretty sure he makes his ad money by us being here.

350 When I was in 9th grade (late '70s) we had a class called "Civics".  A whole year devoted to learning about our government - from local to state to federal.  The just don't teach the basics any more.

Now, they're too busy teaching made-up histories of the oppressed minorities.  Of course, when I was in school, that would have been called creative writing class.

351 "As for his conservative positions suddenly arrived at that bothered me much more than his Mormonism."

Ditto. Ace is displaying anti-Christian bigotry.

Hell, I don't agree with Mormonism or Christianity and I can see that.

352 guys, please. . you might not personally be anti-mormon but for you to claim this didn't exist in a lot of voters is just silly.

Come on.

353 let's put it this way:  Huck played the mormon card a lot and it didn't seem to *hurt him* with his religious con constituency, now did it?

354 I don't think McCain was feeling well tonight.  He was nothing like the guy we saw two days ago.  He was breathless, pale and he just seemed like he did not feel good.

I don't know what Obama's excuse was, though.

355 Speaking Huckabee, I literally just got off an airplane with him about an hour ago and stood around talking about his speech.  He's a nice guy, but I'd never vote for him.

356 Anti-Mormon bigotry? Please.

Look, I'm not anti-Mormon. In fact, I wanted to learn more about Mormonism. For example, that whole that whole thing about Mormons believing Jesus and the Devil are brothers, that was just me asking questions, trying to learn. Nothing wrong with that, is there?

Watch my show on Fox and eat right!

357 "guys, please. . you might not personally be anti-mormon but for you to claim this didn't exist in a lot of voters is just silly.

"Come on."

Assuming you're right, would this have made Mitt Romney a winning electoral candidate?

Frankly I think his two biggest problems were allegations of flip flopping on the moral issue of abortion, something that is crucial to many Christian conservatives and even non-Christian deist human rights types like yours truly... and his tendency to speak in weird repetitive, substantively sound, but absolutely strange soundbites... even when not necessary to give soundbites.

These didn't connect with the average person.

358 Conservative positions suddenly. . .

Shut the fuck up.  I loved Mitt.  That guy went to bat against drug companies and free market when nobody else would.

Mitt is laissez faire no matter what you lot say.

359 Mormons practice human sacrifice, right?  I could be wrong, that's just something I heard. 

360 #354

Thea, I wondered the same thing.  He just didn't seem to be on his game.  Hopefully, he will get some rest and bounce back.  I don't know where anybody gets the energy to do this kind of thing, it's gotta be grueling.

361 Don't get me wrong - I love those whacky Mormons, even with their worshiping of desert cactus and their belief in aliens.

All in all, they're just good people when they're not conspiring to crash world financial markets.

362

Let's straighten out this circular firing squad please.

Huckabee isn't on the ballot. All those guys who either didn't want to win (Thompson, Giuliani) or just plain sucked as candidates (Ron Paul!) aren't on the ballot. There are two people who are on the ballot, though; one of them is John S McCain and the other one is Barack H Obama.

If you like democracy and freedom, then vote for McCain. If you want the country to descend into chaos, then vote for Obama.

It's really that simple.

363 Did you guys know that Mormons don't cast reflections in mirrors?  True fact. I saw it on Discovery.

364 Mike, we're not joos, leave that conspiracy shit to the religion that deserves it.

365

David Ross, at this point, chaos is sounding kind of fun.

 

366 Why did the Mormon cross the road?  To go to hell and burn. in an everlasting lake of fire.

Hey, just clowning.

367 If Mormons aren't allowed to drive cars or use writing utensils, how can Mitt Romney carry out his presidential responsibilities?

368 Shut the fuck up. I loved Mitt. That guy went to bat against drug companies and free market when nobody else would.

Mitt is laissez faire no matter what you lot say.

Posted by: Justin at October 08, 2008 01:37 AM (iH1PP)

This is going to sound really strange to you Justin, but some of us -- who support free markets and capitalism -- care as much or even more about murdering precious innocent unborn babies.

Further even those of us who like myself are not particularly religious, know several believing Mormons as friends... who do things like man pro-life information booths... and we respect these people of faith for their strong, sincerely held, and often inconveniently held pro-life views.

So we lost respect, trust, and even affection (for not being on the right of innocent children vs. political expediency) for Mitt Romney when learned he went to the left of Ted Kennedy, skirt chaser and cowardly manslaughterer (is that a word), during that debate.

369 *punches Mike Huckabee in the face*

You're done. Says this Scandi Jew Asshole.

370

That's the Amish dude.

371 Ace wrote headlines calling Mike Huckabee "Fuckabee" and we're supposed to believe him when:

1. He accuses lots of us, whether as individuals or more generally, of being anti-Mormon bigots
2. That he has no anti-fundamentalist Christian bigotry at least equal to that which he accuses us of having

372

Baka - I'm with you.  I can't believe what a bunch of vaginas we have here tonight.  So McCain didn't come out looking 30 years younger and calling Obama a communist for 90 minutes means he lost????  You guys need to go back to reading your John Birch Society pamphlets. 

John McCain has taken a beating for the last week for being "erratic," "Unstable," desperate, and mean.  He was none of those tonight.  He made asses of all the media goons who have been tearing him down.  He was warm, compassionate (if Biden tearing up won the debate for him, then come on, McCain hugging the petty officer beat the hell out of it), and substantive.  He gave straight talk about the economy and taxes.  His closing statement was a micro version of his convention speech, which is what vaulted him into the race to begin with.  He looked like a president.

Obama looked and sounded like a tool from start to finish.  His closing was especially horrible, very Me Me Me while McCain was all Country First.  He really does suck at these unscripted things.  He also just lost Florida by selling Israel out to the UN.  Nobody could possibly have watched this debate and come away feeling that Obama will be a friend of Israel.  His bullshitting on Pakistan was unconvincing and Mccain nailed him on it.

McCain also feinted the Obama campaign into wasting huge money and an entire news cycle on some shit about Charles Keating that nobody cares about.  They were sure he was going to bring up Ayers tonight and he didn't.  Good for him.  Tomorrow Sarah Palin will be back out hammering Obama with a smile on her face.  It's gonna drive Obama nuts.

373
"throbert" Very good rant.

374 "Feets don't fail me now."

375 @219 "a mealy mouthed socialist small time thug"

Love that! You got Obama to a T. He's a fucking communist, all right, but the brains and the balls of the operation is Bill Ayers. Obama's the puppet, Ayers pulls the strings. Obama's the messed-up kid with the mommy issues, the daddy issues, the grandma issues--seeking POTUS as a way to work out one's personal identity issues. Ugh.

Unfortunately, the fact that this guy is pathetic doesn't keep him from being dangerous as hell. Read "Understanding Obama: The Making of a Fuehrer" at
http://www.faithfreedom.org/obama.html
But don't read it right before bedtime, as I made the mistake of doing. Not much sleep that night....

Ann Coulter called the O's autobiography "a dime-store Mein Kampf" and the O himself  "a two-bit dictator." She got it about right. Unfortunately, once again, a two-bit dictator is still a dictator.

376

lorien,

Reading you here and on hotair, I must ask...WTF?

When did you transform yourself into a virtual concern troll? You are not happy with McCain.  I get that.  I completely understand that. Alot of us are in a similar position.

Since you are apparently voting against Obama instead of for McCain, perhaps a better course of action would be to spread discontent on leftist blogs.  It would seem more in line with your stated position, and you certainly have a talent for it.

377 Rockmom is an awesome mom.

378 I came in here for happy talk. Must've taken a wrong turn.

379 >>>That he has no anti-fundamentalist Christian bigotry at least equal to that which he accuses us of having

Um, I'm bigoted for noting the bigotry of others?  If others have bigotry, and i say so, I'm bigoted against them?

Anti-Mormon films were being circulated, boys.  Huckabee rode the sentiment into 2nd and even 1st place finishes.  that's  not to say huckabee didn't win votes without this, but he did play to it, and for you to deny it is, well, favoring political correctness over truth. 

380 Alright let me break the sad sorry news to some of you Mitt Romeny whiners.

You can not run a Mormon against a Black Candidate.

The Mormon church did not allow blacks to serve until the 1970s

That alone would have disqualified him in a race against Barack Obama.

You will not get a mormon into the whitehouse at the head of the ticket until he goes in on the bottom of the ticket first.

381 and i am telling you that as a non practicing mormon.

I know of what i speak.

382 I think Mormons are very nice people despite their practice of tattooing the mark of the devil under the left armpit of their offspring upon reaching the age of 4.

383

At least the evangelicals don't use racist codewords.

384 And note how I never brought up how they bind their bibles with the skin of the deceased. That kind of talk needn't enter this campaign.  To each his own, I say.

385 Christoph at October 08, 2008 01:47 AM (hawOV)

This may come as a surprise to you, Christoph, but I'm not a social con.

Abortion?  Not abortion?  I don't give a hoot. It doesn't apply to my lifestyle

What I do care about is that people  are able to care for those for whom they have some affection.

386

Note: The guy at the debate was Chief Petty Officer, not a petty officer.  There is a difference.

Fucking civilians.

Other than that, nicely done, rockmom.

387 "Um, I'm bigoted for noting the bigotry of others?  If others have bigotry, and i say so, I'm bigoted against them?"

Ace, you missed the first part of my comment.

You know, the part about calling Mike Huckabee "Fuckabee" and then accusing those of us (in a general sense) who opposed Mitt Romney of being anti-Mormon bigots and not sincerely opposing him for the reason we almost all expressed. To wit his flip-flopping (against his faith no less) on the critical issue of intentionally killing innocent life?

Would you accuse someone who didn't support a 1850s pol because they were before slavery before they were against it of being a bigot?

I'm not necessarily saying you are a bigot... but your "Fuckabee" headline and your accusing people who opposed Romney's nomination of bigotry offers at least as much evidence of bigotry as you're offering against us.

That may not be a lot, but likewise, you're not offering a lot in your accusations.

388 "Abortion?  Not abortion?  I don't give a hoot. It doesn't apply to my lifestyle."

It doesn't come as a surprise to me, Justin. It disgusts me frankly that you don't care for the rights and lives of innocent children.

You're exactly the sort of person who wouldn't have had a strong opinion on slavery because you didn't own slaves and your bookmaking business was going well.

389

Ron Paul!

390 Love how the Canadian Concern Troll loves to "we" and "us" so much.

391 From above article:

"Secretary of State Ross Miller said the fraudulent registrations included forms for the starting lineup of the Dallas Cowboys football team. "

That was utterly stupid, because you know the Texas teammates are gonna vote Republican.

392

Justin,

First they came for the unborn, and I did nothing.

Then they came for the comatose, and I did nothing.

Then they came for the sick and depressed who wanted to end it, and I did nothing.

Then I got sick, and they came for me, and there was nobody left to defend me.

The slippery slope is a bit of a cliche, but it does apply here.

393 >>>You know, the part about calling Mike Huckabee "Fuckabee" and then accusing those of us (in a general sense) who opposed Mitt Romney of being anti-Mormon bigots and not sincerely opposing him for the reason we almost all expressed.

Get your head out of your identity-politics ass.

I cannot accuse you of something "generally."  What you mean is that I am saying something about SOME members of a group you belong to, and you believe you have the right to take offense for a "group insult" as if I insulted you personally.


 I am saying that some religious cons are anti-mormon bigots.   It's true; get over it.   You wish to insist that no one can say anything negative about some members of your group at all or else it's "bigotry."

You would  do better to speak to other religious cons and persuade them that religious bigotry is just as ugly when directed at mormons as when directed at they themselves rather than attempting to mau-mau me into not speaking an obvious truth because it offends your group-identity political correctness.

394

Enough with all this happy talk!  I want gloom, more gloom I say!

 

395 Christoph at October 08, 2008 02:06 AM (hawOV):

You're exactly the sort of person who wouldn't have had a strong opinion on slavery because you didn't own slaves and your bookmaking business was going well.

Quite likely. I think the market would have worked the situation out.  Sorry if that makes me a monster.

Regardless, I think Romney would have interpreted this as a means to lesser taxes and a smaller bureaucratic blight.

396 "Love how the Canadian Concern Troll loves to "we" and "us" so much."

I support the rights of the unborn in every country on Earth, someone, and I oppose candidates who are pro-abortion wherever they may be. This is because I love children of every country and they all deserve the opportunity for life... or at least not to be murdered.

I feel this way for the same reasons decent Americans are outraged over hanging gay teenagers in Iran, beating and oppressing women in Saudi Arabia, and killing, maiming, and raping people in Darfur.

William Wilberforce was a British subject and he is held up as a hero by modern American and worldly pro-life forces and previously as an ally by anti-slavery forces where he made his most important contribution.

It isn't solely a national issue; it's a human one.

397 You're exactly the sort of person who wouldn't have had a strong opinion on slavery because you didn't own slaves and your bookmaking business was going well.

Quite likely. I think the market would have worked the situation out. Sorry if that makes me a monster.*

Regardless, I think Romney would have interpreted this as a means to lesser taxes and a smaller bureaucratic blight.

Posted by: Justin at October 08, 2008 02:19 AM (iH1PP

*It does indeed in my books.

You're the sort of person who should have been drafted into service of the Union. Maybe you could complain about the free market and your lack of free will to choose to be a soldier or civilian businessman. I'd find that very ironic.

398 RE: #347  If the ignorant masses riot over championship basketball games what kind of nightmare will election night be no matter who wins? I'm voting early and going to the woods til it all blows over. Obama can't control his supporters and frankly I don't think he wants to.

Well, yeah, that's the whole Alinsky MO. Disrupt, destroy, demolish--so that you can rebuild from scratch. (Ever heard of the "Cultural Revolution"?)

399 Ace @ 393, regarding your point: Somewhere there are Christian conservative bigots.

That's your theory. Beautifully fucking illustrated.

400 Kathleen Parker, purveyor of twaddle, and Peggy Noonan's wingman, just shit the bed again with another article on Palin.

401 I have a cold, black heart  I can only discuss the numbers.

Slavery ended because the numbers no longer added up and abortion will fail for the same reason.

402 Christoph@357:
and even non-Christian deist human rights types like yours truly...

God bless you, buddy. I was the same type for many years (Catholic now). My best friend in high school was an atheist and the strongest pro-lifer I knew.

One of the reasons I like this blog and some of the other RW blogs so much is precisely that: The pro-life argument given here is a human rights argument, not a religious one. And that's the way it should be.

403 This is fucking hilarious.

Christoph (Canadian) not only comes around pontificating about being American, he (non-Christian) TAKES GROUP OFFENSE on behalf of religious Huckster fans.

Seriously, this has to be some sort of disorder.

404 In any case, it's way past my bedtime, and I'm out of beer, so we can pick up the debate another time.

You all have a good night.

405 401 I have a cold, black heart  I can only discuss the numbers.

Slavery ended because the numbers no longer added up and abortion will fail for the same reason.

Posted by: Justin at October 08, 2008 02:36 AM (iH1PP)

The number was 600,000 or so, and we'd really like to get rid of abortion without going through a similar experience.

406

McCain should go ahead and bow out and turn over the race to Palin who can then nominate Bobby Jindal as her VP pick. This debate turned off a bunch of real conservatives and I predict another reversal in the polls just as they were starting to turn again based on Palin’s performance.

 

I think that is what we are seeing in the poll direction changes. The conservative base wavering back and forth based on whether they think McCain is going to throw Palin under the bus.

407 Don't forget before Huckabee fanned the flames of religious bigotry, he used the grass-roots fair tax nutters to astro-turf his campaign, and won Iowa because of them.

As if our overlords would voluntarily give up the most powerful tool they have to control us without their blood first painting the capitol steps a deep and glossy red.

WAF

408

I'm kind of wondering if this isn't a feasible theory:

 

What if, with his history of working across the aisle, being a maverick, blowing the media, etc. and now screwing himself in the debates and not seriously attacking nObama where he's weak, McCain is being paid to take a dive? What if we are all really, truly screwed no matter what?

409 Former Lurker, as they say in the Dale Carnegie training, "Fuck off."

410

Ok, but I am just asking questions.

I have a feasible theory about who really took down the World Trade Center.

It is all in my newletter, if you would like to subscribe.

411

Cristoph,

Bite me.

You, too, lutheran.

It occurs to me that no matter who wins, real conservatives are screwed. Obama would obviously be much worse than McCain, but no matter what, there won't be a conservative in the WH until at least 2012.

412

Yes, I am rather testy tonight, and I apologise.

I mean, come on, McCain as Manchurian Candidate for a guy who was eight years old when he was in the Hanoi Happy Place getting programmed? What was I thinking?

Clearly, he is a tool of the North Vietnamese Commies.  I hate Commies.  Just like all the other genuine conservatives who traffic in silly conspiracy theories.

 

413

Lutheran,

Quit using my name, twit.

Obviously, what I was trying to express went right over your little head.

414

Who am I? Why am I here?

415

#19 Oregon Muse:

I SO agree w/ you.  We are stuck with McPander because of open primaries.  If it weren't for that, his coffin would've been nailed shut long, long ago.  The Dems flooded open primaries where they could and voted for the worst possible Repub candidate.  There is no other explanation for him to have risen from the ashes like he did when many others were stronger & had a great deal of support.  He had zilch. 

I didn't have the stomach to watch the debate, so I've been catching up on the live blogging dialog.  What a surprise....McCain didn't take the opportunity to expose Alpha Omega Obama on anything...or so it appears.  Climate change pandering, more bailout $$ talk....you blew it big, McCain. 

Fuck all of this.  Don't mean to be pessemistic, but Jesus H Christ, we are screwed coming and going & we all know it.  Socialist or Socialist-Lite.  Those are our two options.  Conservatism, for now, is completely and totally fucked.  We need the mother of all overthrows of our lame ass, bullshit, CORRUPT gov't. 

416 Obama pledges to appoint judges in the mold of Ginsburg, Souter and Breyer.

We'll wish he just appointed another Ginsburg.  What we'll get is Lani Guinier types, maybe he'd even be nervy enough to try Guinier herself.

417 I have to give McCain some credit. After the third question, I was screaming at the Tv, and McCain didn't get rattled.

How do you debate someone who can literally lie in response to any question with absolutely no consequences?

Someone also needs to explain to McCain that you cannot out pander a democrat. There is absolutely nothing you can offer that they are not also willing to offer.
There is no big budget program you can offer a voting bloc that the Dems are not willing to offer a bigger one.

 

418

"he'd even be nervy enough to try Guinier herself."

Eeew.  I don't think Obama would try her, but Bill Clinton might hit it.

419

All of you fuckers are mourning that it's over. That we're done. I know the reason why. It's because you fat fuckers who complain on here aren't doing anything. You want McCain to lose because he's not "exciting enough for you". He "doesn't take risks".

Lorien, especially, needs to be buttfucked by Barney Frank in order to get any joy out of him. Well, let me tell you something, everyone: You all are a bunch of whiny ass fucknut quitters. When things don't go your way, you moan and bitch and complain. My words to you: Shut the fuck up, and start logging calls or walking a beat.

I'm not one of these happy camper type people. I don't think things are fine, but I am willing to do whatever is necessary to make certain that Barack Obama doesn't end up shutting down the blogosphere with his brownshirt brigades of military devotees and Mao-styled children's choruses. And if you all give a fuck about Ace, and the rest of the blogosphere, you WILL do likewise.

THANK YOU!!! 

I'm sick to death of all the whining and complaining.   It needs to stop or we will have Obama in the White House.  I can't think of anything that scares me more than that. 

420

Obama = Houston Texans

McCain = Indianapollis Colts

421  I woke up with a hang over. All those "my friends" killed me and the guy in the pink shirt accidentally set off the code pink finish the bottle alarm....the debate was a boring waste of freaking time. I agree with Malkin  "The stupid-meter is broken". I could have sworn I tuned in to see a debate between a democrat and a republican. All I got were a bunch of freaking socialists. I am mean what's another 300B..... ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

422 Palen is the pre POW McCain. Explained to me by former Black Ops.The mental castration is irrepairable and expected. Others will always have to step in after a critical point--a permanently attached  Achilles heel.Do not expect any improvement so, raise hell Sarah!

423

Put on your seatbelts and crash helmets, the teenagers are going to be driving for a few years.

At least in 2012, they'll be comparing G. W. Bush to Abe Lincoln and longing for the good old days. Then President Palin can take over.

424

SueM,

How do you presume to know what anyone on here has or has not done to help "the cause?"  I have done plenty, and have worked since the primaries doing what I could to not elect Obama.  That meant phone calls, donations, blogging, talking to people about politics that I would've never talked about that with....and most recently, that meant doing those things for a politician, McCain, that I don't really want!!  Why have I done this?  Because I don't want Obama as my president. 

It's unfair of you to chastise people here who are frustrated.  God almighty, if you are a true conservative who has had to accept McCain as our nominee, that has meant swallowing a whole lot of shit from our nominee while doing so...climate change, illegal pandering, etc.  And all the while, being pounded relentlessly by the media who lets Obama go scott free with his deception and lies. 

When McCain has had the chance to call Obama out, 9 out of 10 times, he has flaked in that challenge.  Perfect opportunities have been missed.  He's down in the polls.  He's all but forgotten his conservative base.  And he's doing all this while I've done my part to help keep Obama out.  McCain is not helping me (or you or anyone else) help him get elected!  Is that too hard for you to understand?  It. Is. Frustrating.  Our party is dying and he is not helping.  He's been handed life preserver after life preserver and he'd rather swim unprotected with the sharks.  Sorry if I can't look through your rose-colored glasses.  Doesn't mean I'll quit fighting for him.  But I'm disappointed.  I see the country that I LOVE crumbling around me.

So with all due respect, now you can shut the fuck up.  Better yet, don't shut the fuck up.  Go make some calls.

 

425

Bravo SueM!  I call BS on the WAF talk.  The polls will come up, and the one that counts will be close but OK on Nov. 4.  Now get out and work your block, send money to the McCain campaign, volunteer to be a poll watcher, and do whatever else you can to help. 

426 rockmom @#372: I can't believe what a bunch of vaginas we have here tonight.  So McCain didn't come out looking 30 years younger and calling Obama a communist for 90 minutes means he lost????  You guys need to go back to reading your John Birch Society pamphlets. 

John McCain has taken a beating for the last week for being "erratic," "Unstable," desperate, and mean.  He was none of those tonight.  He made asses of all the media goons who have been tearing him down.  He was warm, compassionate (if Biden tearing up won the debate for him, then come on, McCain hugging the petty officer beat the hell out of it), and substantive.  He gave straight talk about the economy and taxes.  His closing statement was a micro version of his convention speech, which is what vaulted him into the race to begin with.  He looked like a president.

Obama looked and sounded like a tool from start to finish.  His closing was especially horrible, very Me Me Me while McCain was all Country First.  He really does suck at these unscripted things.  He also just lost Florida by selling Israel out to the UN.  Nobody could possibly have watched this debate and come away feeling that Obama will be a friend of Israel.  His bullshitting on Pakistan was unconvincing and Mccain nailed him on it.

McCain also feinted the Obama campaign into wasting huge money and an entire news cycle on some shit about Charles Keating that nobody cares about.  They were sure he was going to bring up Ayers tonight and he didn't.  Good for him.  Tomorrow Sarah Palin will be back out hammering Obama with a smile on her face.  It's gonna drive Obama nuts.

QFT.  You are so fucking money.

You need to blog.  Every time I get stupid, you're always there to slap me around and tell me to snap out of it.

427 Dammit.  I forgot to decloak.

428

Well, let me tell you something, everyone: You all are a bunch of whiny ass fucknut quitters. When things don't go your way, you moan and bitch and complain. My words to you: Shut the fuck up, and start logging calls or walking a beat.

I worked a McCain phone bank once, and will likely again next week.

I can do that AND declare the following:

I am tired of working to elect a candidate who is worse at making his case than are his supporters.

TIRED of it.

I am tired of having to look to columnists, bloggers and pundits – rather than my fucking candidate -- to make a coherent case for voting GOP.

I am tired of having my beliefs labeled “selfish,” “racist” and “simplistic” with no candidate to refute them.

Maybe this really is part of a master plan: Palin attacks and McCain plays it soft. If it works, I will eat my words, gladly.

 

 

 

429 #428

Waaaaaahhhhhhh!   Waaaaaahhhhhh!  Waaaaaaahhhhhhh!

Nice comment, you fucking crybaby.  Suck it up. 

To paraphrase, it's the COUNTRY, stupid.

430

Nice comment, you fucking crybaby.  Suck it up. 

Brilliant, thoughtful observation, 429. You really gave us something to think about.

431

Absolutely no funding ought to go to majors in "International Studies" and other such StuffWhitePeopleLike bullshit.

Condi Rice was an International Studies major, IIRC from her biography.  It's not the major, it's the student.

432 Was it over when Germany bombed Pearl Harbor? No.  Let's go get them!!!

433

If we're going with an Animal House reference, I want to know is Obama Chip (Thank you sir ! May I have another?) or Neidermeyer (You're all worthless and weak! Now drop and give me twenty!)? Cuz I'm pretty sure Ayers is Dean Wormer.

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