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| Teenage Girl Killed In Iraq For Befriending British Soldier…By Her FatherStill a long way to go in that part of the world. The Iraqi father who brutally murdered his teenage daughter in an "honour killing" for befriending a British soldier in Basra has said that he has no regrets, and that death "was the least she deserved".If the British had any balls they’d have taken care of this monster themselves. Where’s today’s General Napier? "You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours."h/t Hot Air Headlines CommentsPosted by: Bart at May 12, 2008 04:59 PM (AMEgG) 2
If the British had any balls they’d have taken care of this monster themselves.
You mean give him three hots and a cot for a couple of years complete with cell remodeling so he doesn't wipe in the direction of Mecca? That's the way the EU does it today. What happened to that a-hole who murdered his two beautiful daughters in Texas? Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 05:05 PM (bpgOf) 3
Worthless fucking pieces of goat shit. Worthless.
Posted by: mgnmfrc1 at May 12, 2008 05:07 PM (jEcDD) 4
What an evil act. Pathetic and inhuman...
Posted by: Dr. Chopper at May 12, 2008 05:10 PM (5LjnB) Posted by: Bosk at May 12, 2008 05:11 PM (+aNmG) 6
If it wasn't for the mother in the story, this would be a fine arguement for the "nuke it from orbit" strategy.
Posted by: captkidney at May 12, 2008 05:11 PM (rK6wZ) 7
Yeah, mom is pretty brave -- unlike a certain kraut hausfrau.
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 05:14 PM (bpgOf) 8
A rotten-to-the-core radical Muslim that should be executed immediately.
Godspeed to his wife -- she deserves a much better life that that low-life slime could possibly grant her. God rest her daughter. Posted by: Richard Romano at May 12, 2008 05:18 PM (GpwqX) 9
The MSM feminists will be screaming about this, right? Right? Oh, wait, they're all wetting themselves watching Obama's jeans. Posted by: The MSM at May 12, 2008 05:24 PM (N7uu0) 10
Yeah, um... so... stay the course?
Posted by: David Ross at May 12, 2008 05:26 PM (GwV+j) 11
Another fine moment brought to you by one of the world's greatest religions. What is almost as bad as this murder is the roaring silence from those who practice Islam.
Posted by: gordo at May 12, 2008 05:28 PM (XWJh5) 12
Was the father a Canadian?
Posted by: roy at May 12, 2008 05:28 PM (cB77O) 13
Hey, she's lucky her story even made the papers. This shit is as common as sand over there. What's the damn point of "liberating" these clowns if they can kill their daughters and non-believers at the drop of a hat? Why the fuck did we ever agree to allow Islam to be the guiding principle of Iraq & Afghanistan's constitutions? Posted by: Iblis at May 12, 2008 05:31 PM (9221z) 14
There are not a whole lot of Britishers I admire. General Napier is on the short list whom I do admire. BTW, is would be interesting to know how the tradition of "Sati" started in India. Yep, the viciousness of a certain religion's adherents is involved. Posted by: Tushar at May 12, 2008 05:33 PM (IlgNp) 15
>>Human rights group Amnesty claimed the horrifying case raised serious questions over the quality of policing and justice which British troops have left behind in Basra after five years of occupation. Yeah, it is the horrible Brit's fault. Posted by: Tushar at May 12, 2008 05:34 PM (IlgNp) 16
note that the "honor" killing was committed by someone who wouldn't recognize honor if it bit him on his sand-flea bitten ass. Posted by: mark c at May 12, 2008 05:37 PM (Bk3+g) 17
And this years Father of the Year award goes to...Ha! Gosh, I can't believe it....
Abdel-Qader Ali for his role in slaughtering his 17 year old daughter!!
Posted by: Mahmoud Ahmadinejad at May 12, 2008 05:57 PM (27iEn) 18
>>Ali said he had warned his own sons that he would murder them, too, if they dishonoured the family by having any homosexual experience. >>"I have alerted my two sons that they will have the same end if they are contaminated by any gay relations. >>"These two actions deserve death - death under the name of God." Holding my breath for the GLAD response.....uh, guys...turning blue....Posted by: Dr. Strange at May 12, 2008 06:03 PM (XrBEX) 19
Now I don't feel as bad for throwing out my kids Halloween Unicef box. I hate liberals and their huge "humanitarian orginazations(?)". Next, I will honor slap his 8 year old ass around, for not cleaning his room. Allah AkCarter
Posted by: hutch1200 at May 12, 2008 06:05 PM (sujow) 20
Fucking hell, this is a disgusting act.
_______________________________ I know many Muslims here in the US and they are nothing like this. I hate to sound like an apologist but claiming that there is not one redeeming quality for Muslims is ridiculous. I know this is unpopular to say but most Muslims, at least the ones I know (and I know a shitload), are NOT like these people. Posted by: uniball at May 12, 2008 06:09 PM (27iEn) 21
I thought Islam was a religion of peace? I imagine the moderate Muslims here in American and in Iraq will condemn this act, and the Iraqi Government will make sure this animal swings like Saddam for his actions.
Posted by: The_Dick_Nixon at May 12, 2008 06:24 PM (Y1T/7) Posted by: Wyatt Earp at May 12, 2008 06:31 PM (xQ52y) 23
Yeah,uniball,they are just gonna come out and say it to your face?Did you even talk to them about this story,or similar ones for that matter?Islam is a fucking disease on this planet.It needs to be eliminated.The sooner the better. Just as bad is our MSM.They could do a story everyday about these fucking animals but that ain't going to happen.Not as long as were at war with'em anyways.That would be propaganda.And as we all know,the only good propaganda is anti-American propaganda. Posted by: vae victus at May 12, 2008 06:31 PM (Z6ThE) 24
uniball, name a single redeeming or postive quality about the muslim religion.
Sure, you know some people who act decent (in your presence, at least) that happen to be muslim. But tell me something that muslims do that is good and beneficial for society and the world. The Catholics do a lot of good for the world, for example. And I'm sure the Buddhists do nice things, too. What's the last good thing that the muslims contributed to our civilization? Posted by: Bart at May 12, 2008 06:36 PM (AMEgG) 25
Ann Coulter was right- Invade their countries, kill their leaders, and convert them to Christianity.
Come to think of it, we already did the first two.... Posted by: Kevin at May 12, 2008 06:38 PM (3NsSK) Posted by: DrewM. at May 12, 2008 06:41 PM (hlYel) 27
Yes, of course these muslim Honor Killings are very rare in the Western world.
I still say that even the best muslims are the equivalent to the worst nutbag Christians, e.g., Fred Phelps and his ilk. I mean, really, any muslim that isn't chopping off heads and screaming 'death to America' is a moderate muslim in our views, right? That's not a very high standard that we've been conditioned to accept, in my opinion. Even if they're not actively participating in those heinous acts, most of them support those who do it. Albeit secretly, but they support it all the same. I'll bet that 90% of western muslims support Sharia Law. Posted by: Bart at May 12, 2008 06:45 PM (AMEgG) 28
I have to give John Ryan his due. It's got to be hard work writing that many consistently stupid non sequiturs.
Posted by: Warden at May 12, 2008 06:59 PM (QoR4a) 29
If the British had any balls... Yeah, well, if lions were tough they wouldn't be airborne and currently headed into crocodile-infested waters. Posted by: Amused Horned Buffalo at May 12, 2008 07:02 PM (FgxdU) Posted by: vae victus at May 12, 2008 07:16 PM (Z6ThE) 31
Bart,
I am not a religious person at all, and I am for winning the war in Iraq. But to state that the entire religion of Islam has zero redeeming qualities is bullshit. I will give you one example. I do not know the religion inside and out, or even care to study it, but the Islamic belief in treating strangers hospitably and with charity is a redeeming quality. My wife had an excellent experience while traveling in Germany. She missed a train and was standing in the rain, a Muslim (turkish) woman helped her to find her way back to her hotel and even gave her the scarf off her head to keep her dry. The woman insisted. That is just one personal example. I know it is unpopular to say what I am saying but you sound like a fucking stormfront reader when you say shit like that. As I said I am totally for winning the war and for killing every one of those fuckers who lift a finger against us. Posted by: uniball at May 12, 2008 07:21 PM (27iEn) Posted by: DrewM. at May 12, 2008 07:25 PM (hlYel) 33
"You mean give him three hots and a cot for a couple of years complete
with cell remodeling so he doesn't wipe in the direction of Mecca?"
Nah, let those British squaddies make sure he meets a sudden, painful and "accidental" death involving something ever-so-marginally plausible like multiple gunshots and/or out of control vehicles running him over. Or, you know, spontaneous combustion: as they said in Repo Man, "sometimes people just explode." Especially when there are explosives and flamethrowers just lying around in close proximity. Posted by: Dave J at May 12, 2008 08:05 PM (glamO) 34
So a father (also a health minister?) in Iraq decides enough is enough with his 17 year old daughter flirting, and with GI's no less, that she must die. He has his two sons help him kill her...the local police give them a pass. I for one am done with support for liberating Irac. Let the bastards sink, or swim. The world is watching how we tolerate this shit...it dont look good to me. Posted by: jognot at May 12, 2008 08:28 PM (bPMJ/) 35
1) "Honor" killings are not rare in the West, not even in America.
2) Honor killings are not actually a "Moslem" issue. They are a problem of Arab culture (also Pakistani culture). AFAIK they are unknown in Iran and Indonesia. The root is that these are "honor-shame" cultures where "honor" is based on, among other things, control of one's female dependents. Failure to maintain such control implies weakness, and one must never admit weakness, even when it is obvious. That the problem is not "Moslem" can be seen by the "honor" killing of an Israeli Druze girl by her brother, an Israeli soldier; and by the lynching of a Yezid girli in Iraq by her relatives and neighbors for wanting to marry a Moslem (which led to a retaliatory massacre by al-Qaeda). There is also a "purity" factor. Many "honor" victims are rape victims. The rape somehow "stains" the family "purity" which must be restored by destroying the victim, who becomes the target of revulsion. This is a horriblly unfair way of thinking, but it seems to have deep roots in himan nature. Self-loathing is endemic among rape victims. Simllar practices are found in Western tradition as well. The heroine of Shakespeare's poem The Rape of Lucrece denounces her violator and stabs herself. The suicide of a rape victim is an old trope. Others also find the victim distressing. Again in Shakespeare, Titus Andronicus kills his raped daughter (who has also been terribly mutilated), because he can't bear to see her. (He also kills the rapists and their bitch mother.) Titus in his speech cites the story of Virginia, a Roman girl killed by her own father to "save" her from being fraudulently seized as a slave concubine (according to the historian Livy). In the still very tribal culture of the Arab world, such feelings remain dominant. Though there no basis in the Koran or the Hadiths for such acts, Islamic scholars are unwilling to condemn them firmly. It took a lot of work for western society to break free of this reflex. Posted by: Rich Rostrom at May 12, 2008 08:38 PM (AaIjD) 36
The moderate Muslim-Americans I've met have exhibited a passive-aggressive attitude toward US policy in majority-Muslim land. They are big fans of Michael Moore, they spend a lot of time snarking about Ariel Sharon, they liken the fence around Gaza to the walls of the Warsaw ghetto, and they view our attacks on sordid regimes and the ensuing occupation of the regimes' population as an attack on "their people". (IOW, they believe that foreign Muslims who riot against cartoons are their people and that fellow American citizens are not.)
I repeat, that's the moderates. uniball, have you actually asked your Muslim friends about what they think of Israel's right to exist (remember to add "within its current borders"! you might hear, "yes of course" with an "in Tasmania" muttered under their breath); of Moore's oeuvre; or of sura 9? Or do you just leave off such topics as "rude"? Anyway, so much for the moderates. The extremists hang out at the Saudi-funded al-Farouq mosque and its nearby Riyadh-based Darassalam bookstore, where you can find as much anti-Jewish, anti-Western (and anti-Shia) literature as you can stomach - which in my case isn't all that much. Pro-Western Muslims do exist, but from all I've seen they are few and the mainstream umma shuns them; and the moderates get in a good chuckle when they hear that, say, Hirsi Ali can't walk down a public street anymore. So the liberals have no influence on their fellow Muslims (because they're not really fellows anymore). Posted by: David Ross at May 12, 2008 09:21 PM (AvUHE) 37
"Honor" killings are not rare in the West, not even in America. WTF??? The only honor killings that take place in America and the West are your Islamic buddies, you drooling moron. Nice job of going back several hundred years to find one vaguely similar instance (which wasn't actually an honor killing) in a Shakespeare play and using it to declare equivalence. Idiot... Posted by: Dogstar at May 12, 2008 10:18 PM (FgxdU) 38
I gotta say, Rich, that post was some weak shit. Even Shakespeare wasn't describing events in Elizabethan England but in Rome, and in the very early Republic at that. Maybe some Dark Age savages in Merovingian France might have had a few raped women burned at the stake. When people do that we think of them as "Dark Age savages". I seriously doubt Shakespeare(!) would have disagreed.
Posted by: David Ross at May 12, 2008 10:28 PM (AvUHE) 39
uniball did not give an example of how muslims contribute anything positive to
our civilization and he invoked Godwin's Law by saying that I subscribe to Naziism for simply harshly criticizing a religion. Cliffs on my point: Catholics, for example, have a long history of massive world-wide charity work. What do the muslims do that compares to that? My friends, evidence is on my side. Day after day we read story after story about evil acts commited by muslims. Honor killings, deadly riots, IEDs, blowing up our very own people who are there to liberate them, and suicide bombings -- all in the name of Allah. What? The Islamic terrorists hijacked Islam? Well, if that's true the vast majority of supposedly wonderful peaceful muslims would be as outraged by these atrocities as we are. But I hear not a peep. Once in a while an Imam vaguely condemns terrorism and we praise that Imam for being such a great guy. Isn't that pathetic? I think so. Posted by: Bart at May 12, 2008 10:35 PM (uZevE) 40
You can drag a horse to the water's edge... You can shove his head down into it... You cannot make it swallow. Some people and, sadly I believe, some nations, can't be dragged from the dark ages without lots of kicking and screaming and, again, sadly, it's the brutality of those twisted, backwards-ass, club dragging bastards that bludgeons the good into submission. Posted by: jmflynny at May 12, 2008 11:21 PM (C6k3b) 41
Fergit Napier....bring in Brick Top: Brick Top: You're always gonna have problems lifting a body in one piece. Apparently the best thing to do is cut up a corpse into six pieces and pile it all together. Posted by: Fa Cube Itches at May 13, 2008 12:08 AM (cRgjc) 42
There's a lot to be said for Rule 303.
Posted by: lotocoti at May 13, 2008 02:35 AM (uJWLg) 43
For me, it's this mindset, this ability to kill your own daughter over a trivial matter; it reveals a collective mental illness that makes me wonder if engagment is really the right course in the middle east. I don't worry about "making more terrorists" or fanning hatred of America, rather I think somehow that a people capable of this are simply not worth our blood or treasure. Posted by: Rob Roy at May 13, 2008 06:00 AM (YsJL/) 44
Rob Roy,
This death cult is spreading (goodbye Europe--it was nice knowin' ya) and it isn't going to change unless some external pressure is applied to it. Are you sure that it's safe to be surrounded by cultists who have been taught since birth to hate you? Coz I don't think it is. Posted by: qrstuv at May 13, 2008 09:05 AM (GemZi) 45
The heroine of Shakespeare's poem The Rape of Lucrece The heroine of Shakespear's poem The Rape of Lucrece is a historical figgure. The poem is about the rape of Lucretia, the impetus for founding of the Roman Republic, in 500 BC. In direct response to this event, social reaction was to overthrow the fricken government over it. People were so outraged, they rebelled. As for Shakespear's other work, his fictional play Titus Andronicus (also taking place in Ancient Rome) was itself based on a Roman poem written sometime around Eight. Yes, 8. Yes. 8. That's the year. No not PM, AD. And it was entirely fictional and a dramatic device. Good job. Good equivalence there. I'm convinced. Posted by: Entropy at May 13, 2008 09:21 AM (m6c4H) 46
"Officials stressed there was no evidence that he broke any rules, but acknowledged the case raises questions over cultural awareness training for UK troops in Iraq."
You have got to kidding me. The Brit leadership think its the soldier fault? Its no wonder people question the security of the region after hey have been there Posted by: web at May 13, 2008 09:34 AM (FkiFW) 47
So much the worse off. Napier would give some great advice to Pakhistan today. Hell, he'd restore to Britain some of its backbone with a good tongue lashing. Elitism aside, the British Empire brought "the third world" towards civilization in a much more genteel manner than the third world gives to its own. The Brits have their own elitism, but so does EVERY culture, Marxist and Fascist elites being particularly cruel. The British Empire answered once the question posed, 'how long can we keep hanging on' and this time had better answer that question having let go THEN, reaping the consequences of granting "liberty" where it can not exist without Western imposition on the natives NOW. Life sucks worse in some places than others. But you can never win for losing. Posted by: maverick muse at May 13, 2008 09:37 AM (1cbR0) 48
WTF?
Posted by: Entropy at May 13, 2008 10:27 AM (m6c4H) Posted by: DrewM. at May 13, 2008 10:47 AM (hlYel) 50
Yup.
Posted by: Entropy at May 13, 2008 10:49 AM (m6c4H) Posted by: DrewM. at May 13, 2008 10:53 AM (hlYel) 52
I was in charge of forty-odd Iraqi contractors who were live-in interpreters for our unit. We had two younger (claimed to be eighteen) Iraqi "women" who spoke excellent school English and hired on because they were on the run from their respective families.
A lot of them were great guys. Bad Muslims, but great guys. They liked booze and porn and pork chops from the chow hall. I miss them, and hope the survivors are well. I know a couple of them were KIA. Posted by: SGT Dan at May 14, 2008 10:41 AM (jWvfJ) 53
#39 Zakat (charity) is one of the "Five Pillars of Islam". There are
substantial Moslem charitable organizations. It mostly happens there
and stays there, so we don't hear much about it. The scale of Moslem
charity is limited by the relative poverty of most Moslems, compared to
Europe or America. Some money comes out of the Gulf states. It should
be noted that Saudi charity is deeply entangled with Wahhabist
proselytizing, and that jihadists routinely exploit "charitable" fronts
to move money.
#43 In an honor/shame culture, it's not a trivial matter; it's an intolerable threat to family status. #45 The point was not that analogous sentiments exist now, but that they also existed (and were very powerful) in a non-Islamic society (ancient Rome) and well-understood in another (Tudor England). If you want examples closer to home, consider the movie <i>The Searchers</i>, in which Ethan Edwards [John Wayne] hunts for his niece Debbie [Natalie Wood], carried off by Comanches - and there is a clear implication that if he ever finds her, he will kill her. Or the movie <i>In Harm's Way</i>, where Navy nurse Annalee Dorne [Jill Haworth] is raped by Commander Paul Eddington [Kirk Douglas], and kills herself afterward. All this is evidence that "honor killings" are not merely an Islamic excrescence. They are an extreme case of a primitive reaction deeply embedded in human psychology. IOW, this stuff has roots. I believe there is evidence of such practices among Arabs long before Mohammed. Posted by: Rich Rostrom at May 15, 2008 03:52 AM (TZQBx) 54
u haters not all muslims are like that okay....murders are happeieng in every religion....instead of blaming all MUSLIMS for it why dont u fu***** do something bout it....huh.....u guys have no life...saying shit bout other ppls religion when ur isnt so great now is it...even in other countries ppl kill ppl because of their greed and selfishness....i am not saying that killing innocent ppl is right i am just saying that murder happenes.
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