McCain: You Know What We Need To Do Something About? Global Warming.
Apparently he's going to spend the next week or so advocating for action on climate change.
In an implicit rebuke to the Bush administration, McCain will say in remarks prepared for delivery at the Vestas Wind Energy Training Facility in Portland, Oregon. "I will not shirk the mantle of leadership that the United States bears. I will not permit eight long years to pass without serious action on serious challenges." Referring to the Kyoto Protocols on greenhouse gas emissions the U.S. never signed, McCain added "I will not accept the same dead-end of failed diplomacy that claimed Kyoto." "We stand warned by serious and credible scientists across the world that time is short and the dangers are great," McCain will say. ""The most relevant question now is whether our own government is equal to the challenge."But wait, there's more! He's also using some of his limited resources on a TV ad dedicated to the subject.
Comments
Whoever wins, we lose!
Every time I think McCain becomes a little palatable, he goes and does stupid shit like this.
Posted by: EC at May 12, 2008 09:53 AM (mAhn3)
There, that's better.
Posted by: Phinn at May 12, 2008 09:54 AM (NLtoU)
In mid-May.
Normal low temps for this time of year: 51 F
Projected high for today: 49 F
Could Maverick be any more clueless and out-of-touch?
Posted by: V the K at May 12, 2008 09:55 AM (PLvLS)
Why McCain Must Lose In November (Part 1 of 36 of an ongoing series)
Consider this: If McCain is elected, what the hell will stop him? What credibly will prevent these disasters from being enacted and how likely is it to be successful? I think we can be certain many Republicans who would be very easily led to oppose this coming from a Democrat will quickly fall in line with their own party leadership on these issues.
With Obamessiah in the White House we'll have a loyal opposition. With Barry in charge I believe we can get 40 republicans to filibuster this sort of unpopular thing, which will take a tole on Obama - and indeed, running around pushing Kyoto and amnesty may not seem a great game plan for him that he won't even attempt all that.
But with McCain it will be bipartisan. Do we have a better chance of stopping McCain or Barry?
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 09:56 AM (m6c4H)
Republicans (distinct from conservatives) can and will fight Obama.
Republicans maybe and might fight with themselves under McCain, no doubt tearing themselves apart to no good end whomever winds up winning.
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 09:58 AM (m6c4H)
Posted by: Melodic Metal at May 12, 2008 10:01 AM (JFsBJ)
Jesus H. Christ. Does he have the first fucking clue what the "it" is that supposedly needs "fixing"?
The "it" is the entire biosphere PLUS the atmosphere of Planet fucking Earth. That includes all of the fucking oceans, you preening cocksucker.
And the sun.
But John McCain is going to "fix it." Like it's a carburetor or something.
Posted by: Phinn at May 12, 2008 10:02 AM (NLtoU)
Entropy,
Not only bi-partisan, but further left.
When the dems hold Congress but not the WH, they are free to agitate from the left on every issue, always claiming that the reps aren't doing (spending) enough, thereby moving the center farther and farther left.
When the debate begins at a point which is center-left, and a RINO is the only person who can hold back a dem majority in Congress, positons which once seemed beyond the pale suddenly start to sound mainstream in the lefty press.
Sort of like electing a black, half Muslim named Barak to the office of oh, say President.
Posted by: rickinstl at May 12, 2008 10:04 AM (MvmeX)
Posted by: MAJHAM at May 12, 2008 10:04 AM (NMK3S)
Ultimately, ask yourself this: Which would you rather face tommorow:
The Obama-Kennedy Immigration Act of 2008
-or-
The McCain-Kennedy Immigration Act of 2008?
Even with a democrat controlled Senate?
Will anyone sit here and tell me, honestly, right now, they'd rather see a "McCain-Kennedy" act again, then deal with opposing an "Obama-Kennedy" one?
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 10:07 AM (m6c4H)
Posted by: Slublog at May 12, 2008 10:09 AM (R8+nJ)
First, we just needed noseplugs to vote for him...now, we need a freakin' hazmat suit! Are they going to let us into the polling place wearing those?
Posted by: Master Shake at May 12, 2008 10:09 AM (tcMQZ)
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 10:09 AM (0Bmcc)
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 10:11 AM (0Bmcc)
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2008 10:11 AM (t+mja)
Posted by: krakatoa at May 12, 2008 10:12 AM (/FUhT)
McCain is a dumbass. I won't vote for him. That is all.
Posted by: Bugler at May 12, 2008 10:13 AM (YCVBL)
Oh, and stop having children, because we need to shrink the impact of man on this beautiful planet.
Posted by: Bloated tree-hugger at May 12, 2008 10:18 AM (nwJit)
I really wish McCain would stop digging, but he seems to have switched from a shovel to a backhoe. I can't believe he's working this hard on changing my mind (again) about voting for him vs. Obama.
I think I'm gonna hop on the Chtulu bandwagon. Why vote for the lesser of two evils?
Posted by: Hermit Dave at May 12, 2008 10:20 AM (Tk5HT)
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 10:22 AM (0Bmcc)
April Fools is long past . . .I suppose I should give up waiting for Dean and Rove announcing this election cycle is all a big joke. A sad, sick joke.
Posted by: whuptdue at May 12, 2008 10:24 AM (MAPKL)
Well, Guy, we're running out of time to Act Now, seriously. Because the problem will disappear soon.
If we don't Fix It Now, it's gonna fix itself, and then it will be tougher to take credit for Gettin Shit Done.
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 10:24 AM (m6c4H)
Who has two thumbs and called that one right? This guy, right here!
Posted by: V the K at May 12, 2008 10:27 AM (PLvLS)
GRC-
You misunderstand. McCain IS a true believer. He and Lieberman have been pushing global warming legislation for years. He is more active on this topic than Obama.
"We'll be back this year to do it again," he said when I talked with him in Washington earlier this year. "Campaign finance reform took us seven years. This may take longer, but we'll stay at it."
You bet your ass he will.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2008 10:29 AM (t+mja)
The greatest nation on earth. And we're going to fucking give it all away. There won't even be a fight.
I'm revolted by what's going on in this country. No FUCKING WAY am I voting for John McCain. I'd rather be killed by my enemy than by the person I share a bed with.
Posted by: Warden at May 12, 2008 10:31 AM (rZ5uY)
Posted by: Bacon Is Life! at May 12, 2008 10:32 AM (0Bmcc)
This guy is so full of horseshit, and you KNOW he fucking hates his base, he has done nothing to deserve my vote.
He is a D in R clothing.
Posted by: uniball at May 12, 2008 10:33 AM (27iEn)
It is his great good fortune to be running against a stone cold socialist. If he were running against a run of the mill dumbass democrat, I'd stay home in November.
Posted by: Alamo at May 12, 2008 10:34 AM (Mqupr)
Back into the fetal position!
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 10:35 AM (0Bmcc)
Posted by: Mr. Wasp at May 12, 2008 10:46 AM (xqzGc)
15 JackStraw: Don't feel bad; I got called a racist for choosing Ron Paul over this fellow.
Posted by: David Ross at May 12, 2008 10:48 AM (GwV+j)
That's the problem. There will be. The United States will then be no more, with a splintering of small groups of States joining together into many smaller "countries".
I've been predicting this will happen before 2025 (about a generation hence). Time to choose up sides...
Even if you think I'm crazy (don't answer that), how expensive would it be for you and yours if you guess wrong? Make plans like a pessimist, and you will either have the pleasure of being proved right (and being prepared to cope with things as they fall apart around you) or being pleasantly surprised.
It doesn't hurt to think ahead.
Posted by: Drumwaster at May 12, 2008 10:49 AM (T1apP)
Posted by: Retired (Not Gay) at May 12, 2008 10:50 AM (kCch8)
Posted by: Barbula at May 12, 2008 10:54 AM (WfuGI)
Posted by: Spurwing Plover at May 12, 2008 11:00 AM (4tmdX)
Posted by: Camel at May 12, 2008 11:05 AM (uiKEv)
And yet the Darwinist are fearful of the IDers when all along the Global Warmists have all but ruined faith in science.
Science is officially back in the dark ages which reminds me of this sci-fi novel:
Fallen Angels (1991) is a Prometheus Award-winning novel by science fiction authors Larry Niven, Jerry Pournelle, and Michael Flynn , The story features a future in which the environmentalist movement, joined with the religious right, has gained control of the earth's governments, imposing draconian luddite laws which, in an ironic effort to end global warming, bring about an even greater environmental catastrophe in the form of an ice age. A radical Green Party government of "Naderites" controls the United States government, and falsely blames the ice age on a society surviving in orbit. Science fiction fandom forms the core of a pro-technology underground in the United States, working in tandem with the Legion of Doom. Operating in a gray area, their colleagues and friends in the Society for Creative Anachronism work with the tacit support of the green-movement, in spite of considerable overlap between fandom and the SCA. Other technologists were accused by the government of pursuing "materialist science" were removed from their jobs and forced underground, where they were generally unable to continue their work. As glaciers rapidly advance south, Canada and the northern United States are all but destroyed.
Posted by: syn at May 12, 2008 11:13 AM (Dx06M)
Many thanks to "our betters" for selecting John McCain to represent the party of Reagan. *SPIT*
Millard Filmore '08
"Could he be any worse?"
American first, Conservative second, Republican occasionally.
Posted by: MCPO Airdale at May 12, 2008 11:17 AM (dk4kH)
Posted by: cranky at May 12, 2008 11:22 AM (A1bAD)
Posted by: apotheosis at May 12, 2008 11:22 AM (KpdET)
Oh, Gaia, he's not going to make this easy, is he?
*sigh*
Well, at least we know he probably doesn't have a chance in Hell of winning. Of course, I thought the same thing about him getting the nomination in the first place.
Best case scenario? He wins, and the Donks/Drive-Bys treat him like Bush 2.0 for the next 4 years. That could actually be kind of fun to watch, I suppose.
Oh, Gaia...
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 11:22 AM (kFwRi)
Posted by: RWB at May 12, 2008 11:24 AM (MKxON)
"Someone remind me again why this blustering old peckerneck is preferable to the alternative."
Because...
...
...
...
...something about the judiciary, maybe? I don't know anymore.
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 11:24 AM (kFwRi)
Posted by: dfbaskwill at May 12, 2008 11:24 AM (4L5Tl)
Syn-
That sounds promising; I'll have to check it out.
Moving on...
As someone who has tried to get people to hold their noses to vote for McCain, I find myself lining up with Hermit Dave's comment... and, like many others, feel like I'm getting to pick the noose by which I'm going to hang.
My great hope is that by the time the general rolls around, the AGW hype will have worn off, and any Congressional push for Nouveau Kyoto will be half-hearted. But I'm not real optimistic about that.
I did see something earlier that I wanted to respond to, though... with the notion of keeping 40 (R) senators- guys, I really have great doubts about that happening. Unless the voting public goes against their usual stance (everyone else in Congress sucks, but I like my guy), I'd be pleased if we only lost another 15 seats in the House and another 5 in the Senate. Anyone reading it differently than me?
tmi3rd
Posted by: tmi3rd at May 12, 2008 11:25 AM (9bytU)
As I understand it, based on a McCainiac comment in the weekend thread, the peckerneck is preferable to Obama because the former cannot raise his arms above his shoulders.
Poor Bob Dole, if only he knew what an asset his erectile dysfunction was.
Posted by: V the K at May 12, 2008 11:25 AM (PLvLS)
You know... klurtz, franksalter, rr? I really want to hear the defense of McCain on this. If nothing else, it's entertaining.
Posted by: krakatoa at May 12, 2008 11:26 AM (/FUhT)
Posted by: Mark in Portland at May 12, 2008 11:28 AM (+45yf)
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 11:30 AM (0Bmcc)
I did see something earlier that I wanted to respond to, though... with the notion of keeping 40 (R) senators- guys
Er, I'm not sure what your talking about but if that was in response to me, um...reread it.
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 11:32 AM (m6c4H)
"Refraining from voting for McCain is not the same as voting and handing a mandate to Obama."
It's not the same, no, but you have to face the fact that Obama and all his supporters (including every Drive-By in the MSM) will claim a mandate, and it will be easier for them all to get away with it if the margin is as large as it will be if Republicans sit on their hands.
I'm still going to vote for the douchebag, if only because it would be fun to watch the Left go even more stark-raving bonkers if they lose again. Imagine that. Imagine Chris Matthews carving into his own chest with a letter opener "to let the pain out". Imagine Keith Olberman's wig literally flying off his head when MSNBC announces for McCain's victory sometime in in mid-January or so.
Come on, those would be kind of fun to see, wouldn't they? A little last joy before the great darkness descends and America goes away.
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 11:33 AM (kFwRi)
Posted by: krakatoa at May 12, 2008 11:34 AM (/FUhT)
To follow up my point above at 11:33 a.m., once the election is over, the revolt against McCain will go down the memory hole. The Official Story will be that the Obamessiah came and transformed everyone with His benevolence and great ideas. His prophecies will not be tainted by any qualifications like "he wouldn't have won if the Republicans didn't hate McCain so much."
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 11:39 AM (kFwRi)
They win, no matter who is elected this year. They gave us the candidates they wanted the most.
Nope, not voting for McCain. And this last bit of jack-assery puts me on the fence of voting for his opponent should it be close. A McCain presidency looks more and more like it would be the death knell for Conservatism in this country.
As others here have already noted: I'd rather be in the position of enjoying the natural partisanship of your congress-critters in our fight against all these liberal talking points, than to have to fight against them in their support of this sack of crap we have as a nominee.
Posted by: krakatoa at May 12, 2008 11:44 AM (/FUhT)
Entropy-
In re-reading, I hear what you're saying about a loyal opposition. I just don't think we can maintain the numbers to make a filibuster gain footing. According to what I've read, you have to have 41 senators intend to filibuster, and 57 to stop it.
http://www.cato.org/pub_display.php?pub_id=3169
Ah, hell, I don't want to have a meaningless fight about it... the point I was trying to make (and very poorly at that) is that I think we're more fucked in Congress than we are in the Presidency. I'm more afraid of 4 years of Jimmy Carter redux at the moment, but my distrust of McCain is catching up like Deion Sanders at a dead sprint while getting injected with amphetamines.
tmi3rd
Posted by: tmi3rd at May 12, 2008 11:47 AM (9bytU)
I'm still going to vote for the douchebag, if only because it would be fun to watch the Left go even more stark-raving bonkers if they lose again.
Excellent point.
Posted by: syn at May 12, 2008 11:47 AM (Dx06M)
If you're worried we won't even have 41 republicans in congress, well I think you're being a bit dour, but frankly it don't much matter. If you're right, Obama is a dead certainty anyway so it's all moot.
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 11:51 AM (m6c4H)
I don't think anyone here is contemplating voting for Obama. I know I could never stomach that one. Given that most of us will be in the booth anyway voting down-ticket, I think write-ins would be the way to go. Not that they'll be terribly effective given the Stupid Party's refusal to get the message, but it seems like a better alternative than sitting out.
Posted by: Hermit Dave at May 12, 2008 11:52 AM (Tk5HT)
You know... klurtz, franksalter, rr? I really want to hear the defense of McCain on this. If nothing else, it's entertaining.
You really haven't being paying attention. Most of the people here voting for McCain including the one's you mentioned above are not defending McCain on these positions. They have repeatedly stated their reasoning is that McCain's favorable conservative positions outweigh his failures especially when compared to his likely opponent.
If you don't vote for McCain or don't vote at all you are helping elect Obama. That's your choice and you have your reasoning but make no mistake, you are helping elect Obama. Own it. I'll own a McCain election and the ridicule I'll get everytime he screws up knowing that we dodged a bullet with Obama. I recall having this same freaking discussion with people in 1992.
Finally I want to make it clear that if Obama is elected, I will glady take double the ridicule and eat crow as large as a Neveda judge in exchange for him being a decent President for our country.
Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2008 11:52 AM (m2CN7)
I don’t claim to understand everything about the cap-and-trade mechanism. But scanning the McCain announcement, I look at bullets like banking and borrowing permits; unlimited initial offsets; integrating with international markets; strategic carbon reserves; early allocation of permits; U.N. negotiations; climate-change adaptation plans; implementation at the local level; comprehensive plans for infrastructure ecosystems; resource planning . . . O my gosh!
Even NRO is starting to get it. McCain is an eco-socialist.
Posted by: V the K at May 12, 2008 11:55 AM (PLvLS)
Primaries are a left-over from the Progressive Era. And it was the Progressives who brought us the income tax, Prohibition and eugenics movement.
Posted by: Phinn at May 12, 2008 11:56 AM (NLtoU)
I can disagree with plenty of what McCain is specifically advocating while still being relieved that we have a candidate who can talk with sincerity about wanting to deal with global energy developments from a position of national strength. Just saying "global warming is manure-generated illusion" is not enough of a platform for national Republican candidates.
Posted by: Jeff at May 12, 2008 11:57 AM (4tYft)
Alas, I fear it will be all too easy. I'm betting it'll be McCain/Lieberman.
Posted by: Anachronda at May 12, 2008 11:57 AM (1OYcp)
Posted by: V the K at May 12, 2008 11:57 AM (PLvLS)
Doesn't Lopez want to ban pron at the military bases? What's she doing here?
Posted by: Another Stupid Typical Fucking Moonbat at May 12, 2008 12:00 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: Stupidly left the Sockpuppet on at May 12, 2008 12:00 PM (YmPwQ)
It is axiomatic among true believers that the only reason socialism hasn't worked so far is because the wrong people have tried to implement it. It just hasn't been done right so far.
Posted by: krakatoa at May 12, 2008 12:03 PM (/FUhT)
Someone else put it better than I can, but I thought this was a good point:
Whether the Republicans win or lose the White House this year, very little changes. We won't be happy with McCain, and the GOP might go a little squishier. It's already gotten a bit squishy under Bush, but we've gotten somewhat jaded about it, so a McCain presidency is unlikely to be all that different. He probably will be Bush 2.0. If McCain wins, it's neither a victory nor a disaster: it's pretty much more of the same.
On the other hand, if the Dems lose, it's a catastrophe for them, an utter catastrophe, both internally and externally. If they lose, they'll be a shambles of a party.
That's enough for me to vote McCain.
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 12:05 PM (kFwRi)
Posted by: bmac at May 12, 2008 12:05 PM (oRVu1)
Politically, it's good for McCain to deal with this issue in some manner. In fact, some of his free-market ideas aren't bad at all. What bothers me is how easily McCain talks about the "need" for government intervention.
Posted by: Slublog at May 12, 2008 12:05 PM (R8+nJ)
No, McCain is the one helping Obama get elected. Own it, McCain!
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at May 12, 2008 12:06 PM (0Bmcc)
V the K-
I would submit to you that it remains to be seen whether Obama will make another run if he loses this time around. The Clintons will make it clear that they are not to be interfered with in 2012, and Obama is quite frankly the most formidable candidate they have to run at this point. Mark Warner or Phil Bredesen could probably run (on the Clinton template, and probably win), but who else do they have to throw up there?
Hell, if I remember correctly, we were talking about Obama being impressive but too green to win not 2-3 years ago...
I'm bummed about this whole thing, much more than I expected to be.
tmi3rd
Posted by: tmi3rd at May 12, 2008 12:06 PM (9bytU)
With Obamessiah in the White House we'll have a loyal opposition. With Barry in charge I believe we can get 40 republicans to filibuster this sort of unpopular thing, which will take a tole on Obama - and indeed, running around pushing Kyoto and amnesty may not seem a great game plan for him that he won't even attempt all that.
You're forgetting the judiciary, and not just SCOTUS. Presidents get to appoint dozens, if not hundreds, of federal judges, and I get night sweats thinking about the collection of unhinged moonbats, anti-Christian loons, sweaty, shrieking feminists, angry multiculturalists, baby-killing pansies, and Methodists that Obama is going to appoint to the bench.
Which is why I'm still going to hold my nose and vote for McCain. But I'll admit he's making it difficult.
Posted by: OregonMuse at May 12, 2008 12:09 PM (FO+YO)
I don't think anyone here is contemplating voting for Obama.
Hermit Dave at May 12, 2008 11:52 AM (Tk5HT
I agree entirely.
Which is why I'm voting for Obama with an Dem Congress (and an obstinate, uncooperative GOP minority). Or Obama with a GOP congress works to. The GOP hates them some liberalism proposed by democrats.
Entropy @ May 10, 2008 3:02 PM (HgAVo)
Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2008 12:09 PM (m2CN7)
Yup. That's the only reason I'm voting for McCain. It will be Moonbat "Scanners."
Posted by: Slublog at May 12, 2008 12:09 PM (R8+nJ)
Ha, all you McCain-hating morons - I plan to vote for him.
Why?
Well because I don't believe in overstrategizing - my plan is to vote for the least-worst candidate for the next four years. Period. I'm not going to worry about other effects to the GOP, conservative movement, etc. because I'm not convinced professional pundits much less the morons here can predict the political environment even two years from now.
Plus I like voting. So I'm going to vote for the bastard.
Posted by: Maetenloch (not a maniac) at May 12, 2008 12:12 PM (2RYTG)
I can disagree with plenty of what McCain is specifically advocating while still being relieved that we have a candidate who can talk with sincerity about wanting to deal with global energy developments from a position of national strength.
I think I just threw up in my mouth a little bit.
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 12:13 PM (m6c4H)
I would submit to you that it remains to be seen whether Obama will make another run if he loses this time around.
One interesting things about the Donks, they don't tend to give losers a secod change, at least not in recent decades. Republicans do that, but not Donks.
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 12:14 PM (kFwRi)
Polynikes, don't be a nitwit.
Argue with me or with someone else. Don't argue someone elses position with me, and don't argue my position with someone else.
Why are you draggin me into this? Are you arguing with me?
If you don't vote for McCain or don't vote at all you are helping elect Obama. That's your choice and you have your reasoning but make no mistake, you are helping elect Obama. Own it.
Make up your fuckin mind.
Apparently the reason you want everyone to 'own up' is so that you can more readily erect strawmen by misconstruing their comments.
Hey, at least you've got a plan...
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 12:17 PM (m6c4H)
STFU McCain
Let the moronic spokesperson make the blather that's "meant to please".
Unless McCain's degrees are in science, he should steer further from this topic than he stays from touching "the economy". Besides, no college degree is required to recognize two things right now:
1. The earth is currently cooling, not heating. Read the Farmer's Almanac instead of the NYT or Gore Post.
2. A few degrees warmer is much more desirable than a few degrees colder.
Crops don't grow as long or as well in colder climates as in temperate or hot climates. Anyone who has grown up in the Arizona desert knows that all it takes is enough good WATER and fertile soil for bumper crops to emerge from an extremely hot climate. Even the Libyan agricultural horticulture experiments in the Sahara desert were highly successful given the underground water suppy and supplemented nutrients growing hydroponic food crops in desert sand. Now, try that in the Northern plains of the American and Eurasian Continents as continually cooling temperatures and Spring snow/ice storms stunt crop harvests.
Posted by: maverick muse at May 12, 2008 12:18 PM (1cbR0)
Strangely, I'm not. I could be bummed about the fact that we face a choice between quasi-socialist John McCain and openly-socialist Barack Obama, but I think now that I've resigned myself to it, I've just learned to look beyond it.
I still intend to enjoy myself and my family as much as possible over the next four years, no matter which team-of-elitists gets to hang their banner in the oval office. Tough times are ahead, but I look at places like New Jersey and Michigan where Husseinonomics are already in effect, and though times are tough, people get by, somehow. And we will all get by, somehow. Even under Hussein or McVain, there will still be warm, sunny days in summer, crisp mornings in autumn, there will still be comely maidens in tight shorts, there will be kittens and hockey playoffs and high school football ... and if that isn't enough ... Valu-Rite vodka.
“How small of all that human hearts endure/That part which laws or kings can cause or cure!”
Posted by: V the K at May 12, 2008 12:19 PM (PLvLS)
Someone get this guy a copy of the federalist papers.
Dude, this guy's more likely to go off and write his own federalist papers than read the originals. he already -knows- everything there is to know and you're a douche-bag for question him and the good graces of the U.S. government.
Posted by: MlR at May 12, 2008 12:20 PM (w/YO4)
"Yup. That's the only reason I'm voting for McCain. It will be Moonbat "Scanners.""
Only instead of brains, there will just be a lot of bile and foam.
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 12:21 PM (kFwRi)
No, McCain is the one helping Obama get elected. Own it, McCain!
Gee, would you look at that. Common sense. Such a rare commodity these days. McCain's stupid positions are what is causing me not to vote for him. If you want people to support him, how about you fix the problem instead of blaming the base. If Ron Paul was the candidate would you have the same lame "it's your fault if Obama gets elected" position?
I would only add that it is also the fault of the Republican Party for the absurd primary process they put us through which gives Dems and Independents in representative places like Iowa, South Carolina and NH more power than actual Republicans for giving us such a horseshit candidate.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2008 12:23 PM (t+mja)
Well because I don't believe in overstrategizing - my plan is to vote for the least-worst candidate for the next four years. Period. I'm not going to worry about other effects to the GOP, conservative movement, etc. because I'm not convinced professional pundits much less the morons here can predict the political environment even two years from now.
Plus I like voting. So I'm going to vote for the bastard.
Posted by: Maetenloch (not a maniac) May 12, 2008 12:12 PM
Sounds about right. After all is said and done, if nothing gets accomplished, THAT is no reason to become unreasonable.
Posted by: maverick muse at May 12, 2008 12:28 PM (1cbR0)
McCain's stupid positions are what is causing me not to vote for him
Obama's positions have no effect on you when making a decision?
Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2008 12:29 PM (m2CN7)
"Strangely, I'm not. I could be bummed about the fact that we face a choice between quasi-socialist John McCain and openly-socialist Barack Obama, but I think now that I've resigned myself to it, I've just learned to look beyond it."
I swear that, whatever happens, I will not be like the Moonbats have been the last eight years. I will not succomb to Obama Derangement Syndrome or tinfoil hat conspiracy fantasies. I got a little taste of that during Clinton, and sanity, even stoic sanity, is better, especially with the nutroots putting the craziness in stark relief.
If President Obama heads us right into the iceberg, and we can't stop him, and the ship is going down, then I will sit there and play Nearer My God To Thee until the end, because that's what it means to be a real American.
Posted by: Kensington at May 12, 2008 12:29 PM (kFwRi)
It would be a good start. Why is it "good politics" to give any credence at all to such a bullshit issue?
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at May 12, 2008 12:30 PM (YmPwQ)
Posted by: ¡McCrock! at May 12, 2008 12:31 PM (+7oCm)
Well because I don't believe in overstrategizing - my plan is to vote for the least-worst candidate for the next four years. Period. I'm not going to worry about other effects to the GOP, conservative movement, etc. because I'm not convinced professional pundits much less the morons here can predict the political environment even two years from now.
Same, though I'll worry about them, I just have zero faith in our predictive power at this point.
Though the Tories look extremely forboding...
Posted by: MlR at May 12, 2008 12:32 PM (w/YO4)
On the other hand, if the Dems lose, it's a catastrophe for them, an utter catastrophe, both internally and externally. If they lose, they'll be a shambles of a party.
Yep, that's about it.
If McCain wins, the bloodbath in the Democratic party will be a sight to behold. The Kos Kiddies, et alia will have a mega-meltdown, and the centrist DLC faction will be in a fight for their lives.
By the way, they may not recognize it, but the Clinton's are now done in national politics. If Barry wins Hillary can't run in 2012. If McCain wins, she gets the blame from enraged Democratic primary voters, and doesn't stand a chance in 2012.
So, I'm voting for McCain because he's right on the war, and because he'll make Democratic heads explode in a fine, frothy, pink mist.
Posted by: DelD at May 12, 2008 12:34 PM (MNyRf)
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 12, 2008 12:35 PM (L45dx)
If McCain wins, the bloodbath in the Democratic party will be a sight to behold. The Kos Kiddies, et alia will have a mega-meltdown, and the centrist DLC faction will be in a fight for their lives.
If Hillary had won the nomination, maybe.
Instead, Obama - the nutroot candidate - gets the nomination. Why would they turn on the DLC if he goes down in the general? Nah, don't think so.
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 12:41 PM (m6c4H)
Stop with the silly name calling.
It's just too damned childish for me to ever consider anything you write when you consistently demonstrate yourself so shallow.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at May 12, 2008 12:49 PM (5/uG4)
Yes, his positions mean I won't vote for him. The same holds true for my determination whether or not to vote for McCain. Personally, I loathe strategic voting. This is not to say that I have not done so in the past or that I will not do so in this election. However, I evaluate each candidate based on his/her own merits. Simply because I detest Obama more does not equate to an automatic vote for McCain. I have nothing against those who advocate for strategic voting. It is a reasonable, defensible position. But so is refusing to vote for a candidate whose positions one finds untenable, even if the result is a win for the opposing party.
The vituperation being flung about is both childish and boring. There are far more important things to fight about, such as whether or not a large breasted Japanese woman could fit through that hole to harass her ex-boyfriend. Let's focus on the important things, my fellow morons.
Posted by: alexthechick at May 12, 2008 12:50 PM (SHHaV)
And what are the chances McCain will reverse on this matter, or any other, and jump back to the right? Zilch, zero, nada.
He is like the baskeball guard who can only go left.
So if the long list of liberal actions has not been enough to give one pause about him demolishing the Party, think of the things he will do that we don't even know about yet.
Boing, there goes McCain again, jumping over for free health care, etc.
He will negotiate and agree with the left while pandering to the right. He has been all over the map on taxes and immigration and I don't buy any of it.
Read my lips.
Posted by: Robert at May 12, 2008 12:50 PM (Rb4Qc)
Obama's positions have no effect on you when making a decision?
No. For all the shrieking about Obama he really isn't that much different than Hillary who isn't that much different than her husband. What's Obama going to do, get us all into a time machine and not go to war in Iraq? By January of 2009 we will be into our phased withdrawl from Iraq, one that has already been started and bought off on by Patraeus. Obama has already said, repeatedly, that his plan would at best have all the troops out of Iraq in 18 months. That's 2 years from now. And I doubt very much its all the troops no matter what he says now. He will get in office and announce that much to his surprise things are much different on the ground than he was led to believe by Bushitler and that we need to leave some troops behind to train the Iraqis, etc. Same thing McCain will do. I have no reason to believe that McCain will solve Iran any better than Bush has nor do I think he will do squat about Pakistan, Syria, Lebanon, etc. Obama won't either. It's a wash. Yes, McCain loves the military. That doesn't mean he will use them wisely. Frankly, his judgement shows he probably won't.
We know about global warming, illegals, taxes, and on and on. There is not much difference between McCain and Obama, just a matter of degrees. I don't like Obama. But he is not that far from McCain on most issues. If he wants my vote, he needs to be. As I said about Paul, if he was the candidate many would choose to sit out rather than support someone who didn't represent them. For me, the line is McCain unless he changes some of his positions. If he doesn't and many of us stay home, then McCain is to blame not us.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2008 12:51 PM (t+mja)
What bothers me is how easily McCain talks about the "need" for government intervention.
Doesn't surprise me in the least, given that he's been a federal employee for fifty years. This guy doesn't see gummint as the problem, he sees it as the solution--the only solution. His vitriol about Romney's "careerism?" Founded in McCain's internalized notion that Uncle Sam--not coiffed, successful "rich guys"--giveth, and Uncle Sam taketh away.
When it comes, the donkey-punch is gonna be severe, amigos.
Posted by: railwriter at May 12, 2008 12:52 PM (/ZX77)
is that I'm not convinced that the GOP members of Congress have enough fortitude in them to form an effective or willing opposition. They've proved themselves to be big-spending, open-borders pork barrellers.
That is an excellent point, but I don't know that it matters then who is president. If they go along to get along with a Dem Majority and WH, it just gives their constituents more incentive to get rid of them.
The complacency and corruption of Congress isn't something that happened overnight, and it won't be fixed by encouraging it to continue.
Posted by: krakatoa at May 12, 2008 12:52 PM (/FUhT)
JackStraw at May 12, 2008 12:51 PM (t+mja
Like I said earlier in the thread, If Obama is elected I sincerely hope that you are correct and I am 100% wrong.
Posted by: polynikes at May 12, 2008 12:55 PM (m2CN7)
Posted by: sherlock at May 12, 2008 12:59 PM (cq3pU)
Now I really am going to work hard for McCain's victory this fall.
Break-up the union. You yankee mf's can keep all the carbon worried states. Texas will be reborn as a real republic, and we are coming to take back our parts of Colorado and Wyoming, and expanding to our "natural frontiers" which include all of the petrochemical sites in Louisiana. The best part is we won't have to use that big army y'all will be leaving down here, we will just float to Empire on a cloud carbon gas driven prosperity.
Posted by: Potosi Joel at May 12, 2008 01:06 PM (TPRbZ)
Posted by: Vice President Huckabee at May 12, 2008 01:07 PM (PLvLS)
Well guess what? We ordered each of you a 5 foot hoagie of a shit sandwich to go with it. And some poop-juice to drink.
But by all means, stay on board and pretend to like it. I'm sure dessert will be wonderful. it looked kind of like chocolate pudding... oh, wait; nope, that was just more shit.
McCain has decided that since many of the base will eat his shit and call it rainbow-delicious he doesn't have to give the base any better. So I guess that's a win for those who really enjoy this sort of thing. We're not done yet, November is a long time off. Eat up, there's more on the way.
Yes, I know, I don't have to fall in love, just fall in line. But before you can persuade me that your opinion is worth listening to, wipe the shit-mustache off your mouth. I tend not to listen to people with fecal matter on their faces.
Small minded of me, I know. But seriously, I think you'll need a dentist appt. for a teeth whitening, you've got some staining there...
Posted by: Gekkobear at May 12, 2008 01:08 PM (X0NX1)
Posted by: thebronze at May 12, 2008 01:16 PM (kdYxN)
Aren't we concerned about reducing our dependence on foreign oil? If we end up building more nuclear power plants using "global warming" as the excuse, doesn't it amount to the same thing? If we use the same power plants to power more electric and (in the further future) fuel-cell cars, doesn't that get us to a place we have to be, anyway?
I don't believe in global warming, but if we want to pretend it is real for a second, it's also an excellent excuse to kill off the waste of ethanol subsidies. (They waste money, capital, food, _and_ carbon.)
How is this not win/win?
Posted by: dandoz at May 12, 2008 01:17 PM (WULfn)
No, amigo. Mexico will reclaim it after the insidious creep of multiculturalism has sufficiently decayed our foundation.
The public schools will be right there to help things along, perpetuating historical ignorance of the forces that create wealth and freedom while fueling anti-Americanism, class envy and white guilt among its captive audience.
Once nationalism and English die as unifying forces, it's over. America as we know it will be dead.
Posted by: Warden at May 12, 2008 01:19 PM (rZ5uY)
Like I said earlier in the thread, If Obama is elected I sincerely hope that you are correct and I am 100% wrong.
Big if. Besides, look at the bright side, Hillary has virtually the same number of supporters as Obama. A large number of them will cross over and vote for McCain rather than Obama. Something like 25% have already said they would. States like PA and OH, maybe even MI if McCain plays his cards right, will swing to him.
Actually, I think thats part of McCain's strategy. He has already written people like me off and has his sites set on people he can peel off Hillary.
Posted by: JackStraw at May 12, 2008 01:20 PM (t+mja)
Gekko, you're getting a shit sandwich no matter who you vote for or don't vote for, so don't think that you don't need a breath mint just like the rest of us.
Posted by: Stinky Esposito at May 12, 2008 01:21 PM (L45dx)
So, is McCain really wedded to the idea of nukes, or is he floating the idea of nukes just to get votes from a block he has little affection for, and receives little back from?
Posted by: krakatoa at May 12, 2008 01:22 PM (/FUhT)
First of all, the easiest way for companies to avoid the carbon tax is to off-shore their industrial operations. Manufacturing is shut down here and sent to countries that haven't bought into or are exempt from this scheme. This is exactly what has happened in Europe.
Second, read the bullet points... "U.N. negotiations; climate-change adaptation plans; implementation at the local level; comprehensive plans for infrastructure ecosystems; resource planning..." the McCain plan is a recipe for massive federal and even UN control of local development.
There's no win anywhere in this plan.
Posted by: V the K at May 12, 2008 01:25 PM (PLvLS)
I used to be sad that Thompson dropped out, but sympathetic to some degree.
Now I am angry with him. He might have saved us from this admirable-but-silly anti-free-speech semi-Luddite.
Posted by: teqjack at May 12, 2008 01:36 PM (CEphM)
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at May 12, 2008 01:56 PM (YmPwQ)
@ JackStraw
"Actually, I think thats part of McCain's strategy. He has already written people like me off and has his sites set on people he can peel off Hillary."
Bingo!
Pretty idiotic strategy actually.
Posted by: memomachine at May 12, 2008 02:27 PM (XlmYx)
If Obama is Carter II, as expected, she can play the part of Ted Kennedy.
So... she's gonna drive Huma into a lake?
Yeah..I could see that happening. Good point.
Posted by: Entropy at May 12, 2008 02:46 PM (m6c4H)
Memomachine, you old Democrat. Where's the apology you owe me for calling me a liar for no reason?
McCain's position on global warming is smart politics. I just wish he didn't believe it himself. Now I want McCain to win just to watch V the K's head explode.
You idiots gentlemen have some real fun to look forward to. McCain is going to keep outraging ya'll the rest of your his life. But I am looking forward to when Obama takes one tiny step too far toward the center. There will be weeping and wailing and knashing of teeth among the nutroots to make you anti-McCainiacs look restrained, right memomachine?
Posted by: klrtz1 at May 12, 2008 04:23 PM (Bpxxv)
Posted by: sterchus at May 12, 2008 04:57 PM (XPqGL)
The liberals have their religion of global warming. It looks like we have our own climate religion too. The heretic McCain must be burned!
Posted by: Roy Mustang at May 12, 2008 05:23 PM (zC8Dg)
Let's get back to the real issues. Judges, Judges, Judges and Iraq.
This whole silly climate change crap is silly as is our liberalish intolerence to any conservative who believes in it.
Posted by: Roy Mustang at May 12, 2008 05:27 PM (zC8Dg)
I was a Thompson guy, but short of him, everything else is a compromise on the Right. There is a lot of disagreement and schism among people who truly want to see less government. Congress is weighted Left, and if there will be a groundswell against big government any time in the future, it will equally necessary no matter who is president.
Hopefully stupid things like carbon-credit crushing of the economy can be compromised away in Congress, along with ditching ethanol subsidies. It's more important, then, to have Congresspeople with spines than who is president.
And if the end result is a steady stream of new nuclear power plants being built, then I think we'll win. If I were to truly believe that McCain is more likely to build Nuclear Power Plants, then that is reason enough to say I think he'd be worth voting for.
Posted by: dandoz at May 12, 2008 06:52 PM (WULfn)
Posted by: dandoz at May 12, 2008 06:53 PM (WULfn)
So he doesn't come off pro-nuke, but in the "renewable" energy sector of solar/wind power.
Yes, Nukes would help power the country, get us off fossil fuels, increase supply, and (given the advances made in Europe) be a safe energy source.
But that isn't what this ad is selling me.
Posted by: Gekkobear at May 12, 2008 10:26 PM (Lnai+)
@ klrtz1
"Memomachine, you old Democrat. Where's the apology you owe me for calling me a liar for no reason?"
It's because you are a liar.
And a little slow. Well very slow. Seriously slowish. (trying to be kind here)
"McCain's position on global warming is smart politics. I just wish he didn't believe it himself. Now I want McCain to win just to watch V the K's head explode."
Smart politics? You're also a fool.McCain's energy policy is going to hammer this country.
Hey did you hear how McCain got converted to the Church of Global Warming? A little kid in a penguin suit razzed him."You idiots gentlemen have some real fun to look forward to. McCain is going to keep outraging ya'll the rest of your his life. But I am looking forward to when Obama takes one tiny step too far toward the center. There will be weeping and wailing and knashing of teeth among the nutroots to make you anti-McCainiacs look restrained, right memomachine?"
Oh your asshole is going to be the size of fucking Montana by the time McCain is done with you.But don't ever try any bullshit about it. You knew it was coming. So no whining about how you didn't know.
Posted by: memomachine at May 12, 2008 11:53 PM (XlmYx)
We are heading for an economic meltdown in 30 years. That is a certain fact. McCain should be using his Maverick creds to fix that.
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