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| Childish, Spolied-Rotten Left Reacts to Debate in Childish, Spoiled-Rotten FashionThis is the most unhinged reaction I've seen, but the day is young. The post looks rewritten. Last night when I read it, the poster accused Gibson and Stephanopolous of a "conspiracy to Subvert Democracy" by daring to ask a presidential candidate why he pals around with terrorists. That line isn't quite there anymore, but the gist of it is still there:Below is the history of how we saw the Okie-Dokie coming a mile away and how a network Subverted Democracy. President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License.Cuffy Meigs puts the live-blogging of Jim Geraghty and Andrew Sulivan side-by-side. Geraghty thinks the questions were good and fair, Sullivan is having conniptions. But let me address his whine: Because she's shameless, she's doing better. The appropriation of small-town life as part of her autobiography was a particularly brilliant.The whole why-don't-we-talk-about-the-issues whine is childish. Obama and Hillary have extraordinarily similar declared programs by this point. The only real surviving differences between them are what parts of their declared programs do they really intend to follow through on, and which unstated agendas will they also pursue. Simply allowing them to blather for an hour each about nearly-indistinguishable programmatic posturings does not advance the debate whatsoever. If you want to know what crap they're claiming they'll push as President, check their websites. What distinguishes them among Democrats are issues of character (Hillary's lying, Obama's discomforting comfort with radicals and terrorists) and the widespread belief on the left that Hillary is a "neocon" moderate who lies about her liberal leanings, whereas Obama is the general article and really believes in old school big-L Liberalism, and is in fact lying about his moderation to preserve his electability. Only by asking about issues of character and background and a candidate's real, unexpressed political thinking can possibly shed light as to whether those readings on the candidate are true or not. In Sullivan's case, he has an exceptional lack of self-awareness, as usual. He despises Hillary, and, per Christopher Hitchens, wants to have Obama's baby almost entirely on the basis of character and authenticity. Over and over again on his blog he slams Hillary for her shamelessness, dishonesty, lack of integrity, inauthenticity, overweening ambition for the sake of power alone, etc. So Sullivan himself rejects an analysis purely on "the issues." He rejects Hillary and champions Obama almost entirely on questions of character and presumed genuine political agenda, as opposed to the stated political agenda. But when an actual debate breaks out at a presidential debate -- one that is somewhat effective in exposing Obama's character flaws and also hints at his real political agenda (not-moderate-at-all left-liberalism), he shrieks it's all so "Rovian" and that we should talk about the "real issues." Right. A debate on the "real issues" where both candidates say they agree with each other for two hours, except on the point of who can better execute the exact same program. Michelle has a good round-up of the left's collective, coordinated freak-out and of course Hot Air's headlines have more. The typical liberal suspects -- Tom Shales, Greg Mitchell from E&P, etc. -- are all screaming about ABCNews' "despicable" performance in not giving The Media-Chosen One the pass he's enjoyed for most of the past year. Oh, the Unfairness of It All: Cranky points out: At Cuffy's Kos link: To put it bluntly, should a Former Clinton Official be the one asking GOP questions to Barack Tonight?!? Was Stephanopolous a moderator at any Republican debates? Goose. Gander. Good stuff.Oh, it's funny stuff, all right. After 50 years, Hillary supporters are finally complaining that when the press falls in love (as they always do) with the more-liberal candidate, they are flagrantly unfair to the less-liberal one. And suddenly Obama supporters realize there might be some small conflict of interest in former Clinton official George Stephanolopolous now acting as an "impartial" media talking head. Welcome to the party, pals. Comments1
President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License. Agree wholeheartedly! We must live in a nation where everyone "gets it" (and by that I mean, wait until you see your tax bills under President Barack!) and until they do, we must "help" them by only delivering the "correct" messages. Then it will be one nation government, tolerant and diverse for all! Posted by: Liberal Douches Everywhere at April 17, 2008 09:46 AM (BNlV7) 2
Welcome to life with the media as experienced by Republicans, kidz. And the delicious irony (look it up) is that the very fluffy-bunny questions they are used to getting, the ones they have come to expect as their right, are the reasons that the Dems have two empty suits standing up there now, vying for the chance to get creamed by someone who for all his warts, at least has some substance.
Posted by: sherlock at April 17, 2008 09:47 AM (ojW85) Posted by: Sir Rev. Dr. E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq at April 17, 2008 09:49 AM (sf4Oe) 4
Shales: He came up with such tired tripe as a charge that Obama
once associated with a nutty bomb-throwing anarchist. That was "40
years ago, when I was 8 years old," Obama said with exasperation.
Clearly, a blatant misrepresentation. The terrorist act was 40 years ago. The meetings were very recent. Posted by: IreneFingIrene at April 17, 2008 09:54 AM (FCGJ9) 5
Speaking of "an exceptional lack of self-awareness", how come the same people who exploded in rage at CNN when they had the temerity to field questions from non-Republicans at the Youtube debate - y'know, noted countertop expert Michelle Malkin, you guys, etc - are now calling liberals whiners? I mean, Stephanopoulos' absurd Bill Ayers question was fed to him directly by Sean Hannity. Hannity's a Republican, right? Where's the feverish examination of watermarks? Or will you just shrug in content if some moderator grows a set of balls and asks McCain whether his elastic relationship with Jerry Falwell signals an "unstated agenda" to outlaw witchcraft?
Posted by: ferk at April 17, 2008 10:02 AM (jAfvU) 6
I read that entire Kos diary and I have no idea what that idiot was spouting out. Apparently he was mad that George asked the Ayers question? So? It needed to be asked.
And whats with the "If George asks the question: 'Boycott Disney'" thing? These people are crazy. Posted by: Aurvant at April 17, 2008 10:04 AM (PV/4J) Posted by: toby928 at April 17, 2008 10:06 AM (evdj2) 8
Below is the history of how we saw the Okie-Dokie coming a mile away and how a network Subverted Democracy. President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License. I love the logic of the left. Asking questions they don't like = subverting democracy. The pulling of broadcast licenses for asking questions that politicians don't want to be asked = democracy. Who are the fascists, again? Posted by: Jason at April 17, 2008 10:10 AM (Y2Bw/) 9
Well the msm coverage of the debate is not much better. The majority seem to be coming down hard on ABC and are obviously in the bag for the Messiah.
Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 17, 2008 10:13 AM (kcHPi) 10
:scribbling on pad:
Blogger Ferk......McCain...Falwell....agenda...witchcraft! Good job,kid, we're on it! Posted by: The MSM at April 17, 2008 10:14 AM (YmPwQ) 11
Speaking of "an exceptional lack of self-awareness", how come the same people who exploded in rage at CNN when they had the temerity to field questions from non-Republicans at the Youtube debate - y'know, noted countertop expert Michelle Malkin, you guys, etc - are now calling liberals whiners? A liberal moderator asking a question he heard from a conservative pundit == liberal activists getting chosen as one of a select few who get to ask candidates direct questions during a townhall type setup. SAME THING! BAN ABC! Where's the feverish examination of watermarks? Where's the flippant, sanguine attitudes? Where's the liberals saying it's no big deal and happens to both parties??? Where's the complaints about 'whiners'?? ITS ABOUT THE HYPOCRASY! OH, THE HYPOCRASY! And you have the hypocrasy of calling us hypocratic? A hypocrat calling people hypocratic?!?!? MORE HYPOCRASY! OMGWTFBBQ!!1!11! Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2008 10:15 AM (m6c4H) 12
WHO SpIKED MY SOdA WITH METHAMPHETAMINE?!?!?!?1121!!@!! Get these muthafuckin snakes off my muthafuckin leg!! Posted by: Entropy at April 17, 2008 10:16 AM (m6c4H) 13
I didn't get the VRWC memo that redefined taxes as being "not policy related." Sullivan is pissing in his own chamomile-flavored Cream O' Wheat and claiming mistreatment at the hands of putatively nominally-centrist Stephanopoulos and Gibson. I don't think he'll gain any traction with that particular whiny bitchfest.
Posted by: skh.pcola at April 17, 2008 10:22 AM (jFpwo) 14
ferk, I don't recall making any comment about the non-Republican question asking at the Republican debates, so you can go suck an egg as far as I'm concerned.
Posted by: Ranba Ral at April 17, 2008 10:23 AM (fpk1J) 15
We’re all indebted to Ferk Johnson for clearly stating what needed to be said. Not only was it authentic frontier gibberish, but it expressed a courage little seen in this day and age.
Posted by: Olson Johnson at April 17, 2008 10:25 AM (evdj2) 16
Something to consider about the whole 'no policy' meme...this is the 21st debate they've had. The first one was April 27, 2007! This has been going on for a year.
If the remaining Democratic voters don't know where these two stand, perhaps they are just clinging to their ignorance our of some cultural necessity. As for ex-Democratic staffers asking questions, that means no more Russert and Matthews talking to Republicans, right? Posted by: DrewM. at April 17, 2008 10:27 AM (hlYel) Posted by: MAJHAM at April 17, 2008 10:59 AM (5ap+X) 18
I resolve to use the phrase "authentic frontier gibberish" before the week is out.
Posted by: tachyonshuggy at April 17, 2008 11:04 AM (IVUjc) 19
I always knew the shiny would be knocked off of the Clintons but I never expected them to do most of the work. Obammy is ovah. He will almost certainly be the nom. Hillary will of a certainty cling to his haunches like a hyena on a gnu until whacked into the weeds. This train wreck of a campaign demonstrates to the observant the train wreck of a party the Dems have become. And daily, it seems, is Bob Tyrell born out that liberal media bias is noxious to the liberal project as they walk along in a fantasy, oblivious to traffic.
Posted by: megapotamus at April 17, 2008 11:06 AM (LF+qW) 20
I think Barry has been through enough, let's just give him the Presidency. I mean, what could go wrong? He's sort-of experienced enough and can sort-of hold it together under mildly harsh questioning. What could go wrong. I don't need to know any more about Barry. He's just awesome. Thank you. Posted by: Sir Rev. Dr. E Buzz Heinz-Miller-Heinz, Esq, Newly Minted Idiot Liberal at April 17, 2008 11:08 AM (TTtSM) 21
Well, if you don't mind feeling dirty in a non-arousing way and more dumb than when you entered you can read more of the delicious Kos stuff like this little gem: It is important that the viewing public hear from the two Democratic
candidates on the pressing issues of the Iraq war and reducing the
budget surplus.
Reducing the "budget surplus" is a Democrat platform plank? Really? Posted by: cranky at April 17, 2008 11:14 AM (s04Oe) Posted by: RW at April 17, 2008 11:22 AM (nr2qO) 23
The Thunder Run has linked to this post in the - <a href="http://thunderrun.blogspot.com/2008/04/web-reconnaissance-for-04172008.html"> Web Reconnaissance for 04/17/2008 </a> A short recon of what’s out there that might draw your attention, updated throughout the day...so check back often.
Posted by: David M at April 17, 2008 11:32 AM (gIAM9) 24
I resolve to use the phrase "authentic frontier gibberish" before the week is out. Me too, that's awesome. And Stephanopolous seems a little foppish to be the new breed of right-wing hatchet man, doesn't he? Posted by: UGAdawg at April 17, 2008 12:52 PM (BnZUW) 25
"....no side-windin', horn-swaggellin' cricker-crocker..."
"Gabby Johnson is right about Howard Johnson being right." Posted by: nikkolai at April 17, 2008 12:55 PM (Gkk9P) Posted by: hadsil at April 17, 2008 08:22 PM (Ftlvo) 27
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