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Debate Recap
Update: Frank Luntz's Focus Group

The two most important clips from tonight's debate.

Link: sevenload.com


The Wright clip, almost as important as that one, is also worth watching. I didn't catch Hillary slipping Hamas in.

Nice.

Frank Luntz's Focus Group of Morons... here.

Wow this one guy here is angry over Barack Obama ducking the DC gun ban question.

Gob-Smackingly Vile! The Shrill Shill has his regularly-scheduled conniption.

Posted by: Ace at 10:28 PM



Comments

1

The Magical Negro looks like the magic be gone.  When a brain dead lawyer, cattle futures genius, can dance around the question and STILL stick the knife in the "O". He's in trouble.  I see the super delegates "having doubts"  after the PA primary.  She wins by 14%.

 I believe even McRhino could beat his ass, politely of course.

Buy Popcorn futures, we have a good show!

Posted by: kempermanx at April 16, 2008 10:40 PM (ANRVq)

2 I don't know how others will take it but I think Hillary did much better there.   Really.

And the joke about the Republicans just not running?   That was actually funny.

Posted by: Synova at April 16, 2008 10:41 PM (KZJr+)

3 As a fellow female, I couldn't help noticing that Shrillary was wearing pavé diamond earrings and a necklace...but she's not a elitist! Oh, no!

She reminds me of my seventh grade English teacher who would smile the whole time she was yelling at you.
Whatta bitch!

Posted by: Jenfidel at April 16, 2008 10:41 PM (sM9ru)

4 Ummm...did he just compare a convicted terrorist to Tom Coburn?   What a freaking jackass.

Posted by: Hans Sprungfeld at April 16, 2008 10:43 PM (zFMcI)

5 An interesting question. An even more interesting answer by the Obamessiah, that he shouldn't be held account for something his buddy did 40 years ago. The core of his answer is, "OK, so he set bombs. And he's proud that he set bombs. And he's never apologized. And he never will apologize. Big deal." Which says everything this voter needs to know about Barack Obama.

Posted by: Brown Line at April 16, 2008 10:44 PM (WXQ4x)

6 Hans, great point--as if a man who condemned those who murder the innocent was as morally reprehensible as the murderers themselves!
Liberal Fascism lives.

Posted by: Jenfidel at April 16, 2008 10:48 PM (sM9ru)

7 It would have been nice if someone had pointed out that Tom Coburn isn't a terrorist.

Posted by: Richard at April 16, 2008 10:50 PM (YONGp)

8 Must be some foreign TV station.  "Super Copter" subtitle?  Wierd.

Posted by: someone at April 16, 2008 10:50 PM (2z2WN)

9

Obama doesn't think it's a big deal that Ayres, whom he denied denied even knowing at first, tried to murder innocent Americans on a wholesale basis. Ayres is unrepentant and regrets to this day that he did not commit more like actions.

Barry says it's just some "stuff that happened forty years ago".

Who in the fuck is supporting this asshole?

Posted by: Saul Goode at April 16, 2008 10:51 PM (0XpI7)

10 Did Hillary take a skinny dip in Botox?

Posted by: Tushar D at April 16, 2008 10:56 PM (DWXGz)

11

Did I just see Jan-Michael Vincent playing the cello?

 

What? Oh, yeah, the Democrats...

I love how Obama starts his backpedal with "look, this guy is a college professor, OK? A college professor, George!  At a University and everything! So, you know,  he's all right."

And Obama (I'm paraphrasing of course) continues with "this kind of game--where the exact words of my supporters--or, for that matter, the exact words of my pastor--are quoted to me accurately, in order that I might have the opportunity to comment on them...well, the American people are smarter than that."

 

Yes, they are.

Posted by: Shawn at April 16, 2008 10:56 PM (GHPxY)

12 Great. We've been Jan-Michael Vincent-rolled.

Posted by: Erik The Red at April 16, 2008 10:56 PM (4Tslg)

13 Saul, it's not only who but why TF they're supporting him that's the problem...
We got the Weather Underground, the Saul Alinsky fan club, Hamas, Rev. Wright, Farrakhan and the Nation of Islam, the Odinga opposition in Kenya and a whole host of extremely IQ-challenged Americans who bought the "hope/change" mantra.

Posted by: Jenfidel at April 16, 2008 10:57 PM (sM9ru)

14 I saw the two Hillary clips. She sure knows how to stick a honey-dipped knife in her opponent, and turn it just so.

Posted by: Tushar D at April 16, 2008 11:01 PM (DWXGz)

15 And they bought the chanting, and the whole "man of peace" thing, and cried and fainted at his rallies, etc. I'm not all that devout, but it is quite enough to creep me out.

Go Hillary. And to think so many talk radio types were calling her the anti-Christ a year ago.

Posted by: funky chicken at April 16, 2008 11:02 PM (I+jPP)

16 At #9:

>>>Obama doesn't think it's a big deal that Ayres, whom he denied denied even knowing at first, tried to murder innocent Americans on a wholesale basis. <<<

But....but...but....he wanted to kill them for a good cause!

So it's alright.

Posted by: Obama's Shriveled Soul at April 16, 2008 11:04 PM (S4WzI)

17 14 I saw the two Hillary clips. She sure knows how to stick a honey-dipped knife in her opponent, and turn it just so.

She's had some serious voice training I think...she's totally reigned in her annoying tone - the tone that reminded every man of their bitchy ex-wife.

If you compared everything before jan/feb to now you'll notice the difference.

Posted by: Topsecretk9 at April 16, 2008 11:11 PM (JZN4r)

18 Yeah, he wanted to kill cops for peace. And Obama can't understand what's wrong with that. And lots of folks in this country are still going to vote for him....frighteningly enough, he still could be the next POTUS.

Posted by: funky chicken at April 16, 2008 11:12 PM (I+jPP)

19

"hey, he was a terrorist, a LONG time ago, like 40-sumpthin-eon-years-ago....some of the dead are still dead, k? So, no harm, no foul. He's a Perfesser now, so, although he's unrepentent, and teaching your children, I support him, but not that I know him, except the meetings, funding, boards and stuff. Bill who? He's like a crazy uncle, I could no more disown him  than my crazy batshit wife...er.... that was the last question. Thankyewverymuch"

Posted by: Frank G at April 16, 2008 11:17 PM (Ydps9)

20

I find it utterly refreshing that Hillary would have the humility and grace to inform the voting public, that, yes, she has baggage.

...quite an improvement from this:

"If you want to remain on this detail, get your fucking ass over here and grab those bags!"  (From the book "The First Partner" p. 259 - Hillary to a Secret Service Agent ...)

Posted by: FLOTUS Down! at April 16, 2008 11:21 PM (gjLdu)

21 Stop knocking my girl! Stop it now! I will take Hillary over The False Prophet any day - as a donk nominee or, gasp, if she wins the election. And I will fight you all. I am too damn skeered of the Great Black Hope.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 16, 2008 11:24 PM (kcHPi)

22 Funky Chicken wrote:
"And lots of folks in this country are still going to vote for him....frighteningly enough, he still could be the next POTUS."

If this should happen we will get what we deserve. The pterodactyls will come home to roost.

The election of John McCain.
Yeah.
It's *that* important.

Posted by: Milesdei at April 16, 2008 11:25 PM (ezaF2)

23 You know, if Hillary! somehow manages to get the nomination, she's going to kick McCain's ass. I'd really rather that not happen, so I'm still rooting for Obama to hang on for the nomination. But he's so close to total self-destruction. If only this would have happened about Sept. 15 or so....

Posted by: notropis at April 16, 2008 11:26 PM (nAD2d)

24 Wow this one guy here is angry over Barack Obama ducking the DC gun ban question.

I don't blame the guy for getting angry--Woman next to him: "he's a lawyer, he cannot say he knows the answer to the question if he doesn't know the answer to the question!"  Uh, yeah, so there!

Posted by: AD at April 16, 2008 11:26 PM (vYzH/)

25

Learning about a candidate and his ideals and associations are a ... distraction? 

Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain ...

Is anyone buying this BS?  I mean - anyone?

Posted by: tcbevo at April 16, 2008 11:27 PM (inTsh)

26

But....but...but....he wanted to kill them for a good cause!

So it's alright.

Hey they were just Pentagon people - it's not like they had SOULS or anything. They were probably full of microchips and bad chemicals anyway.

Posted by: Obama apologist at April 16, 2008 11:27 PM (hn7Rm)

27 This is horrible. Just horrible. I've had 2 1/2 beers. Not enough to have drunk myself into oblivion for the night, but enough to make me too tired to drive to the store for more. If I'm ever rich, I'm going to have kegs stored in the celler with regular deliveries.  Free flowing beer 24/7.

Posted by: Guy Ritchie's Career at April 16, 2008 11:29 PM (kcHPi)

28
Hot blue on blue action.

Airwolf was good too.

Posted by: Electric Ferret at April 16, 2008 11:31 PM (rHh6C)

29 "You know, if Hillary! somehow manages to get the nomination, she's going to kick McCain's ass."-notropis

Disagree.
McCain will beat her like a red-headed stepchild and the Republic will be saved!

Posted by: Jenfidel at April 16, 2008 11:31 PM (sM9ru)

30 Nice touch from BO, no?  Coburn, Ayres.  What's the dif?  Not much, well, except one guy saves lives and the other murdered innocents.  Did he learn that at Harvard?

Posted by: Chris at April 16, 2008 11:32 PM (8Uryu)

31 WTF happened to "Ask not what your country can do for you..."?

The whole debate was about how the government is going to solve everyone's problems.

Again, WTF?

Posted by: Bart at April 16, 2008 11:32 PM (//3Ab)

32 "If you want to remain on this detail, get your fucking ass over here and grab those bags!"

Bodies stuffed into bags are pretty heavy, even small ones like Asian hookers. She probably couldn't handle it herself.  Anyone who's seen Very Bad Things knows this.

Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 16, 2008 11:34 PM (2ZGD5)

33

This is the most mind numbing blather I've ever watched.  I have two choices -

1. Change the channel.

2. Stab myself with a pencil.

What to do ...

Posted by: tcbevo at April 16, 2008 11:42 PM (inTsh)

34

Bodies stuffed into bags are pretty heavy, even small ones like Asian hookers

Believe me, dead asian hookers are denser than they look. They put the 'dead' into dead weight.

Posted by: Obama apologist at April 16, 2008 11:47 PM (hn7Rm)

35 These two are master debaters.

Posted by: Kid The Billy at April 16, 2008 11:47 PM (x1YGz)

36

Astonishing. Stephanopoulous actually asked a couple of questions that Hannity asked him to, particularly on Ayers.

That punch nailed Obama badly, and he couldn't recover well from it. The Obama disciples will hang in there with him, but he's in a world of shit now. Combine that with the fact that many Dems are not afraid to vote for McCain, and it makes for some heap big deep shit over there.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at April 16, 2008 11:47 PM (9bytU)

37

Really, can we stop talking about the beatings already?

 

I'm bitter enough as it is.

Posted by: Red Headed Stepchild at April 16, 2008 11:56 PM (xWk3U)

38

Hillary has done a good job over these past few days, during her campaign stops and now this, of avoiding the 'Shrill Hill' pitch and tone and has been pretty darned effective. Remember, Tushar, women are required to dip the knife in honey...

 

Posted by: jmflynny at April 17, 2008 12:09 AM (l25Zd)

39

As a sidebar-

The coverage over at the NYT and ABC has been good on this, but the libs out there are howling like a bunch of banshees. The term "tabloid journalism" seems to be the term of the day out there.

Delicious.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at April 17, 2008 12:15 AM (9bytU)

40 Looks like Chimpy Messiah, the Magic Monkey got his ass handed to him.

Yes, that's my new nickname for him.  Ohhhhh that cry of racism is gonna hurt.

Posted by: Warden at April 17, 2008 12:32 AM (rZ5uY)

41

Astonishing. Stephanopoulous actually asked a couple of questions that Hannity asked him to, particularly on Ayers.

And Kos is FREAKING THE FUCK OUT. DEFCON BAZILLION.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 17, 2008 12:33 AM (uOvAE)

42 Mr. McSpeechmeister - what legislature have you introduced as a senator?  What's your voting record as a SENATOR?  What have you done so far, as a member of the senate, that would LEAD me to believe you are capable of LEADING me.

Posted by: tcbevo at April 17, 2008 12:40 AM (inTsh)

43

Re the 'D.C. gun ban' question...

WTF? How much does he have to know to form an opinion? The guy was absolutely right to expect an answer of a former Constitutional law prof. I mean, frankly, I have never read the text or, context, of the law itself and I have an opinion of it...

I know all I need to know from the fact that it is the 'D.C. Gun Ban'.

And, you've gotta love a guy who proclaims as passionately clueless as the dick in the Luntz clip that "Guns" are killing people.

 

Posted by: jmflynny at April 17, 2008 12:42 AM (l25Zd)

44

Oh geez...is anyone watching Cheney's speech at the correspondents' dinner?

He speaks to glabal warming and says, "We call it Spring." and follows with, "and I don't mean to be an alarmist, but it's going to get hotter before it cools down again."

Haaaahahahaha!  Bwahhaaaha!

Posted by: jmflynny at April 17, 2008 12:44 AM (l25Zd)

45

jmyflynny-

Back in 2000, I got to stand onstage with him in WY while the campaign was going on. His under-his-breath quips were roaringly funny, and trying to keep a straight face was damn near impossible.

But yeah, he's friggin' killing out there. Good on him!

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at April 17, 2008 12:47 AM (9bytU)

46 The Kos diarist on ABC:

"President Barack should pull their Broadcasting License."

Fascists over there something fierce...

Posted by: Dr. Chopper at April 17, 2008 12:53 AM (xvIpv)

47

Having just read Cuffy's link...

Wow. What fun. They're so cute when they're angry... thanks for dialing 1-800-MELTDOWN.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at April 17, 2008 12:58 AM (9bytU)

48

OT...

Did I miss a post somewhere along the line about Tim Robbins' speech/no speech/speech speech?

The audio link is up at Drudge and *shiver* I think I just listened to his first campaign speech.

Posted by: jmflynny at April 17, 2008 01:01 AM (l25Zd)

49 I just read your comment TMI...I am so jealous shade of green right now.

Posted by: jmflynny at April 17, 2008 01:02 AM (l25Zd)

50 Looking at Cuffy's link....

Wow.  Talk about entitlement.  You will not ask me those questions, quite.

Posted by: Z Ryan at April 17, 2008 01:11 AM (PDeVA)

51

Jmyflynny-

It really was a great experience- he's a very nice and very funny guy. We were really well taken care of on that run. That said, you didn't want to be at Weld County (CO) Republican HQ election night in 2000. We thought it was a wrap and were starting to pop champagne when Richard Daley got on TV to announce the campaign would continue.

The phones lit up like a goddamn Christmas tree. It was not a fun night.

But hey- sometimes, winning in OT is better than winning in regulation, I guess... as long as we win.

tmi3rd

Posted by: tmi3rd at April 17, 2008 01:12 AM (9bytU)

52 McCain will beat her like a red-headed stepchild and the Republic will be saved!

Well --- McCainland will be saved. I don't know how optimistic I'd get about the Republic.

Posted by: krakatoa at April 17, 2008 01:17 AM (7IHWE)

53 heh... the KOS link is worth a look.

A Disney vacation may be in my future if they keep their promise.

Posted by: krakatoa at April 17, 2008 01:20 AM (7IHWE)

54 The best part of the Kos thread is they go Blue on Blue about 4 comments in.

Posted by: XBradTC at April 17, 2008 01:30 AM (kKT0Z)

55 Damn. The stupid at KOS is just savage.

Group-think like that is a very scary thing to witness.


Posted by: krakatoa at April 17, 2008 01:39 AM (7IHWE)

56 Thanks for the Airwolf, Ace. You know how to give a girl (I use the term loosely) what she wants. I forgot about the guy with one eye. He's even better than ol' Jan Michael.

Posted by: mare at April 17, 2008 01:46 AM (ZJ22h)

57 Here's a bit of Cheney at the correspondent's dinner:

http://www.breitbart.tv/?p=79963

Posted by: Gabriel at April 17, 2008 01:53 AM (1Ug6U)

58 Gotta agree with Mare: the "Airwolf hair" comment was a laugh riot!

Posted by: Wyatt Earp at April 17, 2008 02:37 AM (xfqaP)

59

Oh my.  When Hillary's turn to speak came, the last time I saw a facial expression like that is on Discovery when a great white shark hit a blood trail.

"I've got baggage.  And everyone's rummaged through it."

Say what you will, that's hawt.  Dirty women are hawt.

Posted by: nudge, nudge at April 17, 2008 02:39 AM (6BtMV)

60 Kos got it's stupid on tonight. Buy Aluminum foil hat stocks asap. I love that ashhole "delicate monster". He tells a hillary fan to fuck off by saying "don't waste my time". Time? You unemployed motherfucker banging a keyboard in moms basement? His little tag is "you can lead a neocon to facts, but you can't make him think"(?). Vile and a truther! And to think algore didn't see this coming when he invented the intertubes.

Posted by: hutch1200 at April 17, 2008 03:22 AM (LTPRs)

61

Obama's response in the Ayers clip is Monty-Pythonish.

Stephanopolous:  What about your relationship with terrorist Bill Ayers?

Obama:  See this is the kind of distraction I'm talking about.  This is supposed to be a happy occasion.  Let's not bicker and argue over who killed who.

Posted by: MW at April 17, 2008 04:29 AM (J4TRu)

62 I don't understand why I'm supposed to not be friends with, ya know, a guy who hasn't blown up anyone since I was 8 years old, and now only supports 9/11 rather than actually killing more people!

What?

Posted by: Gohuckyourself at April 17, 2008 04:59 AM (8jYMc)

63 OK, I know this is elitist of me, but it truly annoys me that a man with a Harvard degree and and law school education can't use "whom" and the possessive pronoun with a gerund correctly. 

Posted by: goddessoftheclassroom at April 17, 2008 06:10 AM (dxcSd)

64 Thanks for the live chat streaming thing. If it wasn't for that and airwolf, I couldn't have listened to the whole debate.

BTW I heard Stephanopolous on Hannity's radio show either Monday or Tuesday. Hannity told him about the Bill Ayers thing and mentioned specifically that on 9-11-01 (karma?) Ayers had an interview in the NYTimes saying he didn't regret the bombings. When Hannity mentioned it, (especially about the NYT article)Stephanopolous was geniunely interested about it and said he'd look into it. Which brings up a question. Maybe the reporters aren't so flaming liberal as is their assistants that don't go out and find this stuff or just ignore it?

Posted by: liontooth at April 17, 2008 06:24 AM (n3pxb)

65 I see quota boy has dumped the lapel pin again, Michelle must have said "you ain't hittin' this shit 'till that pin's gone".

Posted by: Mike in Chicago at April 17, 2008 06:57 AM (/L1AV)

66 Michelle--That's one skank I WOULD'NT hit...

Posted by: nikkolai at April 17, 2008 07:05 AM (CZD0L)

67

Maybe the reporters aren't so flaming liberal as is their assistants that don't go out and find this stuff or just ignore it?

I don't think that's it; just that Stephanopolous might not be quite the unprincipled shill that say, Chris Matthews is.  He has expressed regret over some of the things he saw Bill Clinton do, so he seems to have some integrity. But he's a huge liberal, and he further perpetuates liberal news narratives all the time.

Posted by: UGAdawg at April 17, 2008 07:34 AM (vfDNl)

68

When Hannity mentioned it, (especially about the NYT article)Stephanopolous was geniunely interested about it and said he'd look into it.

I heard the same part of Hannity's show when that happened. That's what's really giving the kossacks the red ass --- that Steph was "coached" by a Faux News shill. They smell some kind of MSM "conspiracy" worthy of yanking broadcast licenses, when it was just a tough question. Yummy.

Posted by: Cuffy Meigs at April 17, 2008 07:53 AM (uOvAE)

69

At Cuffy's Kos link:  To put it bluntly, should a Former Clinton Official be the one asking GOP questions to Barack Tonight?!?

Was Stephanopolous a moderator at any Republican debates?  Goose.  Gander.  Good stuff.

 

Posted by: cranky at April 17, 2008 08:55 AM (tWD2Q)

70 The hell with this.  I'll be in my room.  It's for my health, you know.

http://http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm


Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2008 08:55 AM (GSeVd)

71 Stupid comments thingy won't let me edit.  Now I'm off.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/3072021.stm

Posted by: mikey at April 17, 2008 08:56 AM (GSeVd)

72

It's indisputable, that KOS doesn't want anyone looking into the character of their chosen one.

Funny...Given, that for the most part, they seem to think the campaign is some sort of American Idol.

But, in  a popularity contest,  character really counts.

David Axelrod was on Morning Joe, this morning, whining about how so much time was spent on these character issues, when there were OTHER more important issues to discuss.

"Don't look here...Look over there."

Three-Card Monte - The Shell-game.

Posted by: franksalterego at April 17, 2008 09:03 AM (3KJ36)

73

Y'know, mention of Kos is one of those things that makes voting for Juan almost palatable. Basically, with the crap slate of candidates we got this go-round, I want the one with the highest capacity for throatfucking that band of fingerpainters, and McCain seems the one most likely to do that.

Having said that, I'd likely choke to death on elitist champagne and gales of laughter if a Cheney-Bolton ticket barely squeaked out a win in 2008.

 

Posted by: railwriter at April 17, 2008 09:30 AM (/ZX77)

74

This is the most mind numbing blather I've ever watched.  I have two choices -

1. Change the channel.

2. Stab myself with a pencil.

What to do ...


Posted by: tcbevo at April 16, 2008 11:42 PM (inTsh)

Sharpen the pencil first. It goes in smoother.

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Milestone: Oliver Willis Posts 400th "Fake News Article" Referencing Britney Spears
Liberal Economists Rue a "New Decade of Greed"
Artificial Insouciance: Maureen Dowd's Word Processor Revolts Against Her Numbing Imbecility
Intelligence Officials Eye Blogs for Tips
They Done Found Us Out, Cletus: Intrepid Internet Detective Figures Out Our Master Plan
Shock: Josh Marshall Almost Mentions Sarin Discovery in Iraq
Leather-Clad Biker Freaks Terrorize Australian Town
When Clinton Was President, Torture Was Cool
What Wonkette Means When She Explains What Tina Brown Means
Wonkette's Stand-Up Act
Wankette HQ Gay-Rumors Du Jour
Here's What's Bugging Me: Goose and Slider
My Own Micah Wright Style Confession of Dishonesty
Outraged "Conservatives" React to the FMA
An On-Line Impression of Dennis Miller Having Sex with a Kodiak Bear
The Story the Rightwing Media Refuses to Report!
Our Lunch with David "Glengarry Glen Ross" Mamet
The House of Love: Paul Krugman
A Michael Moore Mystery (TM)
The Dowd-O-Matic!
Liberal Consistency and Other Myths
Kepler's Laws of Liberal Media Bias
John Kerry-- The Splunge! Candidate
"Divisive" Politics & "Attacks on Patriotism" (very long)
The Donkey ("The Raven" parody)
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