Sorry, Once More: D&D Co-Inventor Gary Gygax Has Died, Failed His System Shock Roll For Resurrection

Pardon the joke. But he'd want it that way. Maybe.

It is almost too much to get my mind about. But I've just had news that our dear Dungeon Master has passed away. Ernie called this morning, he thought we should let the fans know. He's just sent an email out.
Gary was in his home when he gathered himself up to cross the great divide.
He was a very dear friend of mine. And I will miss him so.
God Speed My Friend.
Steve

"Ernie" would be his brother Ernie Gygax, who was Bigby or Melf the Elf or one of those gaywad characters that's still hardwired into the game.

The MSM confirms the death.

I'm posting too much D&D crap lately but how could I not note the (possible) passing of the man who taught me to use the pretentiously stuffy academic latinate contractions N.B. and q.v.?

He will be remembered by many geeks of a certain age for helping making long-lasting painful celibacy seem almost hip and cool (almost), and also, sadly, for undermining Israel's ability to defend herself from her enemies.

Thanks to Derek and Double Plus Undead.

Blacksheep:

Geeks everywhere should observe 1d4 + 1 moments of silence.
Gygax was a gaming titan ... or at least a storm giant. God bless.

Which god? Not Blipdoolpoolp I trust. She was like the original, ultimate Butterface.

Well-wishers are asked to send gold pieces and Potions of Super-Heroism to his family in lieu of flowers.

Even Michelle Malkin Notes His Passing. She gives me a shout-out because I brow-beat her into admitting she used to play the game in eighth grade, back on the Hoist the Black Flag show I used to do.

I think she said she really just liked a boy there and was willing to put up with this crap to work on him. Eh, , it still counts.

See-Dub:

Seriously--the vocabulary building for me when I got these books at, like, age 6 was phenomenal. I could never figure out what "misc. magic" meant and I went around telling my friends their gnome had found some "misk magic". Had no idea what that was until I was forced to learn the word "miscellaneous".
You learn scale mapping. Currency conversion. And probability theory--there were graphs of a bell curve in the DMG, I think, explaining why 2d6 gives you different expected results than 1d12.
You learned all kinds of things. Like the, um, picture of the sylph. Apparently women have all sorts of interesting different body parts, including gauzy, diaphanous wings...
Yes, D&D made me the pathetic geek I am today.

Well, yeah, I learned basic probability, but more important was the vocabulary. Gygax wrote with a style that would be called archly pretentious, except it wasn't arch; it was just him. However, yeah, I was exposed to a lot of SAT builder type words just browsing through his defensive explanations of why fighters only got one attack per minute.

And so too, from an early age, I wrote i.e. and e.g. and always knew the difference between them. In law school I had to explain to people the difference. I knew it from seventh grade, because of the Dungeon Masters Guide.

So, sure, I was a virgin until I was 34, but was it worth it?

Oh, hell's yeah.

Oh... And I would be remiss in not noting that Gary Gygax is responsible for the success of this blog.

Three or four days after starting this moronblog, I wrote a piece about what sorts of D&D characters were played by the 2004 Democratic candidates. It got massively linked, including by NRO, which is of course huge traffic. And suddenly I had an audience of thousands of geeks, morons, and sexually-frustrated shut-ins, and life was ~~good~~ enduring.

So really, if I didn't know my way around a d12, this blog never, ever would have gotten any sort of audience. Which may have been a good thing on balance, but I'm happy it worked out.

The Political Angle: As some of you may know, conservative Christians were rather down on D&D during its explosion in the early eighties. The magic, the polytheistic pantheons of gods, the devils, the demons. Etc.

D&D had to bow to pressure and delete the names "Devil" and "Demon" from their products, substituting in something like "Baatzu" and "T'naari,' or something. I don't know. I wasn't playing them. I was an adult and getting laid. (So why the interest now? Well, I'm an adult who passed his prime and so who's not getting laid, and hence old friends like TV, porn, and D&D have come back into my life.)

At any rate, the Jack Chick pamphlet about the Satanic influence of D&D is still kinda funny.

Incidentally... On that score, I hear (hear -- no idea if it's true) that the only reason the "Cleric" with his Holy Symbol and Christian-like aversion to sharp weapons was even included in the game was to appease Gary Gygax's wife, herself a conservative Christian, I guess a little off-put by the black magic and devils.

Pic lifted from Paizo.

Edited: I originally wrote this expressing some doubt in the claim, but now that Slublog has provided the MSM link establishing it, I edited to remove that hedging.

And just for shits and giggles, here's the original map of the Keep on the Borderlands.

Posted by: Ace at 02:36 PM

Comments

1 MSM has picked it up.

Posted by: Slublog at March 04, 2008 02:41 PM (R8+nJ)

2 Neocon scheme to demoralize Ron Paul supporters?

Posted by: buzz at March 04, 2008 02:41 PM (kwhut)

3 Sorry for your loss Ace.

Posted by: Judd at March 04, 2008 02:47 PM (BXHeE)

4 I have met Gary on several occasions, and yes, played D&D with the man. I've worked with him on gaming material. The man wasn't just a creative genius, he was a conservative stalwart. I miss him already.

Gaming often lurks on the fringe as a vestige for the socially-repressed geek, but whether or not gaming interests you, there is no doubt that this man had an enormous and positive influence on a *lot* of lives.

Godspeed, Gary.

Posted by: grognard at March 04, 2008 02:49 PM (XiVKO)

5 Geeks everywhere should observe 1d4 + 1 moments of silence.

Gygax was a gaming titan ... or at least a storm giant. God bless.

Posted by: Blacksheep at March 04, 2008 02:54 PM (EQYOq)

Used to play D&D in Bellevue, Nebraska in junior high. That would've been 1979-1980; guess the game was published in 1974, not too long before. We're talking "Vault of the Drow"/"Shrine of the Kuo-Toa"-era stuff.

Good times back in the day.

Posted by: railwriter at March 04, 2008 02:54 PM (/ZX77)

7 I also played "Vault of the Drow", q.v., and "Shrine of the Kuo-Toa", q.q.v.

Had a blast. It made being a virgin bearable.

Posted by: Blacksheep at March 04, 2008 02:58 PM (EQYOq)

8 <Tenser starts to loot the corpse>

Gord: Will ye please desist? Show some respect!!

Bigby: I cast fireball!

Iuz: Burn baby burn!!

Gord: Cmon guys...

Iuz: Shut up, you nerd!

Gord: Stay in character, and you are spilling soda all over the rule books!

Bigby: Cast fireball at Gord!

Posted by: Gord the Rogue at March 04, 2008 02:59 PM (AQj/2)

9 Is this real? Wow.

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 03:02 PM (2z2WN)

10 I'm guessing he didn't like 4th Edition.

Posted by: MainiacJoe at March 04, 2008 03:02 PM (jN8N6)

11 I avoided that one myself.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 03:05 PM (SXBHu)

It's at times like this that I wish I could find my pre-Polyhedron copies of the RPGA Magazine, my signed pre-release copies of tournament sets from GenCon, and that I had put my autographed copy of the Players manual in a bag and bought a second one rather than thumb through it for hours on end.

Posted by: BumperStickerist at March 04, 2008 03:05 PM (UeP9e)

13 Funniest episodes of Futurama had Gary constantly annoying people with his D&D stuff. It was hilarious. Especially to a fringe D&Der like myself.

Good night, funny man.

Posted by: wiserbud at March 04, 2008 03:06 PM (wWwJR)

14 episode of Futurama. I think he was only on one.

Posted by: wiserbud at March 04, 2008 03:07 PM (IHbof)

15 #10

He didn't much care for 2nd or 3rd, either.

Posted by: grognard at March 04, 2008 03:07 PM (XiVKO)

Lightning bolt! Lightning bolt! Lightning bolt!

Thanks Gary!

Posted by: John F Not Kerry at March 04, 2008 03:09 PM (HF2US)

17 "Not Blipdoolpoolp I trust. She was like the original, ultimate Butterface."

... and hands

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 03:09 PM (2z2WN)

I still don't understand what the hell D&D really truly is, how to play or what the big hoopla could possibly be about. And I don't wanna know. Mostly, I'm scared of finding out that it might actually be interesting.

Sorry someone people liked died, though.

Posted by: Joanie at March 04, 2008 03:10 PM (Z9tCp)

19 He'll be missed. My gaming group has been playing Legend of the Five Rings recently, but maybe we'll have a commemorative D&D session this weekend instead or in addition.

Posted by: MMShillelagh at March 04, 2008 03:11 PM (RFY4o)

Expedition to the Barrier Peaks. Some of the most fun I've ever had with friends.

Posted by: Jimmie at March 04, 2008 03:17 PM (bofTB)

21 Aww man.

Posted by: Cluebat from Exodar at March 04, 2008 03:17 PM (WGcw3)

22 >>>Sorry someone people liked died, though.

Liked...? Let's just say he was a seminal figure in many young geeks lives and leave it at that.

Okay, that may sound a bit nasty. The thing is, he had this very pompous and bossy style of writing. I'm sure he was a swell guy in real life, but in his rulebooks he came across as a jackass martinet.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 03:19 PM (SXBHu)

23 "...who taught me to use the pretentiously stuffy academic latinate contractions N.B. and q.v.?" And viz. and i.e. misc.

Seriously--the vocabulary building for me when I got these books at, like, age 6 was phenomenal. I could never figure out what "misc. magic" meant and I went around telling my friends their gnome had found some "misk magic". Had no idea what that was until I was forced to learn the word "miscellaneous".

You learn scale mapping. Currency conversion. And probability theory--there were graphs of a bell curve in the DMG, I think, explaining why 2d6 gives you different expected results than 1d12.

You learned all kinds of things. Like the, um, picture of the sylph. Apparently women have all sorts of interesting different body parts, including gauzy, diaphanous wings...

Yes, D&D made me the pathetic geek I am today.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 03:24 PM (4/cHv)

Here's hoping that Falwell was right and the ol' EGG of Coot is now in Hell.

With a +15 Vorpal Holy Avenger.

Posted by: David Ross at March 04, 2008 03:24 PM (GwV+j)

25 Rest in peace, Master of Dungeon Masters, however you pronounce your name.

Posted by: Phinn at March 04, 2008 03:26 PM (OkeFn)

Suggested gift for the his grieving family: 10,000 GP worth of diamonds.

In Heaven, you always roll 20s on attacks and double 0s on treasure.

Posted by: MMShillelagh at March 04, 2008 03:30 PM (RFY4o)

27 Malkin played in a D&D group that was half female? I call shens.

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 03:30 PM (2z2WN)

Has anyone asked Tom Hanks, the star of Mazes & Monsters, for his thoughts?

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084314/

Posted by: scrood at March 04, 2008 03:31 PM (5lKM+)

With that out of the way, here's what I posted to Usenet back in 18 July 2001 -

(in response to Doug Le, who'd said "These are words that I probably would never knew if I didn't play D&D and RPG: > encumbrance > cleric ...[etc] > gauntlet )

I already knew 'salve', 'flail', and 'gauntlet'... 'constitution' only as 'manual to run 13 squabbling ex-colonies'.

'Undead' was the first word I learnt from Mentzer's red Player's Guide, November 1983 (my 10th birthday...). Also 'lycanthrope', And 'berserker' (I knew 'berserk'), 'wight', 'lich', 'spectre/-al', 'doppelganger'... 'buts', 'tuns', 'decanter'... MANY words for light sources: 'sconces', 'candelabra'. The module B4 - 'Lost City' [ed: by Tom Moldvay, who passed away at age 58 recently] - had a number of definitions at the end.

[re 1st ed. DMG] Gygax's prose made me feel like I was being treated as an adult. And his crack that Rasputin had an 18 Constitution - I asked my parents what that meant and they were able to explain it. (Poisoned, shot, stabbed, and thrown in the ocean... and still swimming to shore if I remember... and they said he wasn't a holy man...)

"Castle Amber" [ed. also Moldvay] got me interested in Clark Ashton Smith. The "Oasis of the White Palm" introduced me to Set. Manual of the Planes served as an introductory manual to half the world's mythology (although to be taken with many pinches of salt).

I think Gygax and Mentzer deserve Nobel Peace Prizes for the good they've done for children playing D&D in the 80's.

Posted by: David Ross at March 04, 2008 03:34 PM (GwV+j)

30 And charisma, dexterity, fecund, jacinth, ineffable, portcullis, mythos, ethereal, doppelganger...

I was able to read William F. Buckley columns at age ten because I had forced myself to figure out Gary Gygax's prose at age six.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 03:41 PM (4/cHv)

The guy had 6 (six) kids. That's a lot of sex for a D&D'er.

Speaking from experience, of course

Tomb of Horrors. Anyone play that? Man htf did you ever kill that demilich at the end?

Posted by: Zorachus at March 04, 2008 03:43 PM (yJ5ul)

32 "The guy had 6 (six) kids. That's a lot of sex for a D&D'er."

Heh. My dad told me he was gay.

My dad didn't much care for D&D.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 03:45 PM (4/cHv)

33 #31

I'm surprised you made it that far!

You have to shatter the skull, IIRC.

Posted by: grognard at March 04, 2008 03:46 PM (5npD/)

34 genre, millieu, deity...

Then a lot of musty old words that it still doesn't hurt to know, like philter, dweomer, etc.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 03:55 PM (SXBHu)

35 Re: ineffable

An early tagline for this site was "To supe the insuperable, and eff the ineffable."

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 03:55 PM (SXBHu)

Buckley and Gygax -- it's like somebody is trying to take the pleasantries from my childhood in one week.

If I were Nolan Bushnell, I'd be very careful walking across the street. Just saying.

Posted by: Blackjack at March 04, 2008 03:56 PM (miOAD)

37 yeah, funny...

Earl Campbell and Jim Zorn should be careful.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 03:57 PM (SXBHu)

38 Covens, dude. Think about it.

Posted by: Jack Chick at March 04, 2008 04:01 PM (IVUjc)

39 phylactery. phantasmagoria (from Unearthed Arcana!). grimoire. guisarme.

I couldn't pronounce any of these, mind you, so when I actually had to (for instance) read them aloud in college English it was humiliating.

I could spell them, though, but that's another story.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 04:01 PM (4/cHv)

Hah, the Tomb of Horrors. I remember the ceiling spray of slime "fondly".

The Village of Hommlet was full of rural colour. Also colourful, if perhaps a little more dangerous, was Erelhei-Cinlu, the ghetto of the drows' Vault. And then there was that feast for giantkind in the hill giants' steading. That undead/ demon with walls lined with skulls in Tsojcanth. All those additional planes branching from Lolth's demonweb: Caer Sidi, the dwarven siege, the land of eternal night...

Posted by: David Ross at March 04, 2008 04:05 PM (GwV+j)

41 "Man htf did you ever kill that demilich at the end?"

Shatter spell, or twinked-out weapons.

I can't believe I still remember this.

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 04:07 PM (2z2WN)

I shook Gary's hand at Gencon one year, one of those 80's or the other. It was the year they had Origins and Gencon together, the year me and my crew won the AD&D open, which I believe they called "Changing Seasons". What I remember about Gary is that he was a bit grumpy and distracted. This was about the time that TSR had basically maneuvered him out of control of the game, and he'd thrown some rather legendary fits about that.

That was also the year I met Elmore (and Parkinson, and Caldwell, and Easley) and bought a B&W nude version of that female ranger he'd done for Dragon magazine. Good times.

But yo, Ace, my boys are still together after 30 years, and we could so pwn you and whatever morons you could scrape together in a little PC on PC PvP.

/gauntlet thrown

Rest well Gary. Ya done a good thing.

Posted by: Immolate at March 04, 2008 04:08 PM (mpd0L)

Modules

Posted by: TMF at March 04, 2008 04:09 PM (KTgUG)

44 When 'halberd' came up in my SAT seminar in high school, I had to restrain myself from laughing out loud.

Posted by: adamthemad at March 04, 2008 04:10 PM (kIjlp)

45 "Kine"

Speaking of Hommlet -- I learned from that the archaic plural of "cow" was "kine."

I'm not exactly sure how the hell I can incorporate that into my 75 Year Plan for Success, but I do now know that.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 04:11 PM (SXBHu)

46 >>>When 'halberd' came up in my SAT seminar in high school, I had to restrain myself from laughing out loud.

I did that too. I was always like "OOOH! A D&D world!" until the friend who turned me on to it said, "Dude, chill for god's sakes. These are real words. He's not making them up. You're going to see them in real life on occasion and I can't have you going into conniptions every time 'ethereal' comes up."

Okay, he didn't say all of that, just some -- but the *look* he gave me said it all.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 04:13 PM (SXBHu)

I still own a 1st edition of Keep on the Borderlands.

I was such a chick magnet in high school and college. Couple my physics major with my D&D hobby and you've got a double party guy major. Or a complete dorkwad. I'm still trying to figure that one out.

Posted by: physics geek at March 04, 2008 04:14 PM (MT22W)

If you know more than one type of polearm, thank Gary Gygax.

Re: The Political Angle Update. A post in the original thread quoted an e-mail from Gygax where he professed that he had become a Christian. Kind of ironic, I think.

Posted by: Jimmie at March 04, 2008 04:16 PM (bofTB)

49 Actually the vocabulary building aspect was probably the only reason my parents--conservative Christians both--let me keep playing it.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 04:20 PM (4/cHv)

50 Jimmie, I go to the Met in NYC on occasion, and I like the medieval weapons room.

I especially like it because I can start calling out -- halberd, guisarme, pole-axe, bill-guisarme, pike...

So fucking queer. I actually bring girls to this place to "impress" them.

Well, and I like it too.

Temple of Dendur, baby. Sweeeeeeet.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 04:21 PM (SXBHu)

51 Bohemian ear-spoon!

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 04:24 PM (2z2WN)

52 Partisan.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 04:25 PM (SXBHu)

53 Couteaux de Breche!

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 04:27 PM (4/cHv)

54 This is queer:

My brother and I got into this young (seriously), before we were comfortable cursing.

I cursed, but never in front of brother, who might *tell.*

I think he probably did the same thing.

So for years my brother and I did not call it a "bastard sword."

It was, I shit you not, a "b-sword."

Oh my god. What the hell was wrong with me?

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 04:28 PM (SXBHu)

55 Ace has a brother?

The horror... the horror...

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 04:30 PM (2z2WN)

EGG's last words?

"Arneson yet lives..."

Posted by: TBinSTL at March 04, 2008 04:32 PM (2vLkB)

57 Bec de corbin!

Posted by: jdub at March 04, 2008 04:37 PM (0t6Ct)

58 volgue.

Lochaber axe.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 04:38 PM (4/cHv)

59 the idiotic thing is that there were thirty of them and they all did 1d8 damage, except for the halberd that did 1d10, so really, why have any of them except the halberd?

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 04:45 PM (SXBHu)

60 To those pining for the good old days and can't find a group, there was a pretty excellent computer game called "Temple of Elemental Evil" put out 3 or 4 years ago. Yes, you start out in the Village of Hommlet and everything. It's faithful to the original module, and also has probably the best implementation of AD&D rules I've seen yet in a computer game. It uses 3.5 rules, but unlike NWN and other crap, it's properly turn based, and gives you the cool detailed combat options like Charge and 5-foot step and stuff.

Well, it had one problem. In it's initial release, it was buggy as all hell. But there's a modding community called the Circle of Eight that's fixed most of the bugs and also introduced quite a bit of new content of their own.

They've also recently put out a demo of their Total Conversion for the game (this means they use the game's sweet engine but all the content is their own) for Keep of the Borderlands.

Check out their forums over at http://www.co8.org/forum

And yes, the Baldur's Gate games are classics too, sporting their own really excellent modding communities as well. Seriously, some great mods out there.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at March 04, 2008 04:45 PM (MN787)

61 "there were thirty of them and they all did 1d8 damage, except for the halberd that did 1d10, so really, why have any of them except the halberd?"

They all did slightly different damage vs large creatures (giants, dragons, etc.).

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 04:47 PM (2z2WN)

62 Oh, I got one.

Remember the city encounters table with forty different synonyms for "whore"?

How many can you remember?

doxy, strumpet, trollop... I know there are a lot more.

Brazen Strumpet. That was one of the full entries.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 04:48 PM (SXBHu)

63 Fauchard-fork.

That one never sounded at all intimidating. John Kerry's D&D character probably carried a fauchard.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 04:50 PM (4/cHv)

64 suspicious doxy. haughty courtesan.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 04:51 PM (4/cHv)

65 Polearm p@rn.

SFW.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 04:52 PM (4/cHv)

66 Rest in Peace Gary. Your game kicked ass and took no prisoners...because we killed them all with our +6 magic swords.
I remember...
The Wand of Wonder
One of my players drinking giant potion while riding their horse.
Our kings funeral.
One of my players lighting a torch in sewer.
Good times.

Posted by: dragonlady474 at March 04, 2008 04:55 PM (E3XtI)

67 Glaive-glaive-glaive-guisarme-glaive?

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 04:56 PM (2z2WN)

I wrote a piece about what sorts of D&D characters were played by the 2004 Democratic candidates. It got massively linked,

Funniest shit ever on the intertubes and I have never once played D&D..

Carol Mosely-Braun

Character name: n/a (see below)
Race: n/a (see below)
Class/Level: n/a (see below)
Alignment: n/a (see below)

The annoying thing about Carol Mosely-Braun is that everyone is expected to pretend she's a real candidate for president. She's not. It's a big goof. Apart from kissing up to venal dictators and the occasional bout of corruption, her resume is pretty thin.

She's a real presidential candidate like that retarded kid was a real "assistant coach" for your seventh-grade soccer team. Yeah, you all pretend he's an assistant coach, but really you're just being nice to a retard.

And so that's what Carol Mosely-Braun is. She's got her "#1 Special Assistant Coach" baseball cap on, and she's got the "special coach's whistle" hanging around her neck. The "whistle" is "special" in the sense that they took the little pea-ball out of it, you know, the part that actually makes the whistling sound, so the whistle is effectively silenced. Because you know you can't just go around handing out whistles to retards. Retards love whistles. That's just asking for a brain aneurysm, that's all that is.

But "Coach Carol" keeps puffing on that whistle anyway, making no more coherent sound than if you rubbed a sock on a marshmallow, giving you the sort of advice you'd expect from a retarded soccer "coach," like telling you to choke up on the bat and wait for the right pitch. And you're just like, "Okay, sure. Nice call, Corky."

Well, other people can play that game. I won't. I'm not making up a character for Carol Mosely-Braun. The hell with all that. I'm doing important work here, and I can't be bothered with such nonsense.

Posted by: AndrewsDad at March 04, 2008 05:00 PM (C2//T)

What a fucking loser I was.

In my defense, I was like 12.

Monster Manual wise, I dug the gelatinous cube. And the bugbears. And the troglodytes. And the 3 varieties of dragon (green, red, blue)

Oh, and the succubus.

Posted by: TMF at March 04, 2008 05:00 PM (KTgUG)

70 I got one--

Common slattern?

I know slattern was on the list... But I think it might have been Common Trollop and something else for the slattern.

Boy, Gary Gygax sure taught me a lot of insults for women!

Thank you, sir! May angles speed you on your way!

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 05:01 PM (SXBHu)

71 So, next year will there be a memorial Con? (Bloody hell - what *edition* would we have to run it in?) My folks got me the Red Box when Robertson started flapping his gums about how evil the game was. So, of EGG is in Hell, he's only ensuring the module lived up to its name.

Posted by: Lysander at March 04, 2008 05:02 PM (ShW/G)

72 Bah, for awesomecoolnesscrapyourselfifyourcharactereveractuallymetoneness, nothing beats the Revenant or the Tarrasque out of the Fiend Folio.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at March 04, 2008 05:03 PM (MN787)

73 Wanton Wench

Posted by: grognard at March 04, 2008 05:05 PM (5npD/)

74 Qwinn, I gotta geek out on you here and tell you the Tarraeque was not in the Fiend Folio.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 05:06 PM (SXBHu)

75 Ace - Yep, it's not in the 1E FF. I don't have the 3.5 one, so NFI about it being in there.

Posted by: Lysander at March 04, 2008 05:11 PM (ShW/G)

76 Slovenly Trull!

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 05:13 PM (4/cHv)

77 Btw, Gord was Gygax's character. So he'd be the dead one.

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 05:14 PM (2z2WN)

78 The Tarrasque is in the 1E MM2.

Posted by: grognard at March 04, 2008 05:15 PM (5npD/)

In junior high I bought the Expert Manual cheap because a friend decided to purify his soul.

heh

Posted by: captkidney at March 04, 2008 05:16 PM (EjFgl)

80 Paid cocksucker?

Posted by: Eleven at March 04, 2008 05:16 PM (7DB+a)

81 Vinegary Gloria Steinem?

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 05:18 PM (SXBHu)

When I was, I dunno, 9, I got the D&D Basic Set for Christmas. We were in Florida visiting relatives, and I had heard over and over how cool D&D was, but never played it. I told my cousin how cool it was, so we busted it out and went out to the gazebo to play.

Spent all night, could NOT figure out how to play the game. Crushing disappointment.

Learned not too much later, and spent my adolescence and early teenage years as both a D&D geek and a bando. And it's true, Ace, all of the most creative and smartest people in school played D&D. It really does develop the old noggin.

Posted by: JohnW at March 04, 2008 05:22 PM (HGQzU)

83 Yep, you're right, Tarrasque was in Monster Manual II, totally forgot about that book.

So was the Revenant in there too?

The only 3 "monster manual" books I ever owned are the ones pictured further down at this link. Oddly I always thought they were 2nd edition, heh, but I guess not.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monster_Manual

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at March 04, 2008 05:22 PM (MN787)

84 The whole D&D whore list.

Revenant was Fiend Folio. I remember because of the Durer-like illustration by Russ Nicholson.

Posted by: See-Dubya at March 04, 2008 05:25 PM (4/cHv)

85 revenant was in FF.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 05:25 PM (SXBHu)

86 Heh:

01-10 Slovenly Trull
11-25 Brazen Strumpet
26-35 Cheap Trollop
36-50 Typical Streetwalker
51-65 Saucy Tart
66-75 Wanton Wench
76-85 Expensive Doxy
86-90 Haughty Courtesan
91-92 Aged Madam
93-94 Wealthy Procuress
95-98 Sly Pimp
99-00 Rich Panderer

No slattern. Huh.

Odd. Gygax's big innovation in game design was just busting out the thesaurus and going wild.

Posted by: ace at March 04, 2008 05:28 PM (SXBHu)

87 For some reason, green slime used to scare the hell out of me. All of those clever monsters and I'd run like hell from snot with an attitude. Don't even get me started on black pudding. I couldn't touch Swiss Miss for 2 years.

Posted by: Blackjack at March 04, 2008 05:28 PM (miOAD)

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Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 05:30 PM (2z2WN)

89 Blackjack - and you tell the kids today about it... Bah. I'm running a 3.5 campaign - but with the 2nd Edition MMs. *Many* more evil options there >

Posted by: Lysander at March 04, 2008 05:32 PM (ShW/G)

90 Ah, good, at least I was half right. Can't lose -all- my geek cred on something so silly.

Seriously I'm surprised that what I remember from my childhood was all 1st edition... I thought it was 2nd for some reason. Maybe because I don't see much difference between what I've played in 2nd edition computer games like Baldur's Gate and what I remember as a kid. Well, except bards, which in 1st edition were these weird bizarre dual class freaks that had to start as fighter, then dual to thief and -then- dual again to bard, and now they're a "real" (if overwhelmingly ghey, even for D&D) class.

Otherwise the 2nd edition rules don't seem that different from 1st edition though. Now 3rd edition, -that- seriously shook things up.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at March 04, 2008 05:38 PM (MN787)

91 Without GG, we would never have understood this bit of humor.

My favorites: Melf's Acid Trip, Shocking Gasp (usually follows Tenser's Shocking Suggestion) and Detect Lightning Bolt (Area: 5')

Posted by: Charybdis E. Scylla at March 04, 2008 05:39 PM (e59Bv)

92 Bard -- that's just what you need when dodging a red dragon's fire. "Hey, Morgoth, we're in some serious shit, here. How about a little Stevie Ray Vaughn?"

Posted by: Blackjack at March 04, 2008 05:40 PM (miOAD)

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Posted by: TheMongbat at March 04, 2008 05:43 PM (X5nRP)

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Posted by: grognard at March 04, 2008 05:56 PM (5npD/)

95 Mmm, come to think of it, class kits had to be a 2nd edition thing, I don't remember them from when I was a kid. Too bad most of 'em are lame (except for some fighter and paladin kits that rock).

Barbarians and Sorcerers weren't around when I was a kid either, though for some reason I had thought they were 3rd edition, but Baldur's Gate has 'em, so they must've been 2nd. I didn't -like- playing sorcerers until 3rd edition rules, though - that's when paladin 4/sorcerer 16+ became my favorite class combo, heh.

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at March 04, 2008 06:14 PM (MN787)

96 Grognard - how about them 3.xE bards?

Posted by: Lysander at March 04, 2008 06:14 PM (ShW/G)

97 The Manual of Puissant Skill At Arms.
Yog Suggoth.
Prismatic Spray.

(smiles wistfully, drops laminated geek membership card back into the catchall drawer).

Posted by: railwriter at March 04, 2008 06:19 PM (ACTD5)

98 Heh, I just remembered -why- 2nd edition rules seemed familiar from way back when I was a kid. I was geek enough that I actually subscribed to Dragon magazine. Somewhere in the boiler room, among 400 other boxes of stuff, I should have issues 56 through 150 or so. I think that 56 was the first issue where they did a "real" (ghey) bard class.

Some of those Dragon issues were pretty good - I remember an actually very cool Psionicist class from those that I wish had taken off and gotten support, those things rocked.

And of course there was Phil Foglio's comic in the back, constantly teasing legions of geeks around the world by announcing almost every week that Phil and (huge breasted) Dixie would do the long awaited "Sex in D&D" strip next week... always to be cancelled or otherwise postponed, of course... heh...

Qwinn

Posted by: Qwinn at March 04, 2008 06:20 PM (MN787)

99 Lysander -
3.X+ bards are ok. I've played one. With the right mindset they are pretty nasty. I am biased against later editions, however, so I'll leave it at that.

Posted by: grognard at March 04, 2008 06:23 PM (5npD/)

100 Qwinn: the Foglios are rerunning "What's New" as a webcomic from the very beginning. Start here.

4E doesn't even have bards, I believe. Well, at least not until the splatbooks start rolling in.

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 06:31 PM (2z2WN)

101

Ahh, memories; slaying Hill Giants in the Howling Hills, stalking vampires in the City-State of the Invincible Overlord, and brawling at "Ye Bitten Dog" tavern in the city of Carse. Late night pizza runs, all night gaming sessions and Mountian Dew hangovers - good times with the Mesa High Wargame club "back in the day."

Thanks for starting it all Gary!

Posted by: Scott Free at March 04, 2008 06:40 PM (70HCY)

102

If you don't want that sissified version 3.x/4 stuff, try Hackmaster!

Posted by: Master Shake at March 04, 2008 06:59 PM (tcMQZ)

103 Mordenkainen has just leveled up to game in the Epic Realms.

Godspeed, Mr Gygax.

- Penmaster
Lawful Good Paladin, Level 14 (1E/2E)

Posted by: Penmaster at March 04, 2008 08:40 PM (D/0+D)

104 "If you don't want that sissified version 3.x/4 stuff, try Hackmaster!"

Or Castles & Crusades, which Gygax was actually assisting in recent years.

Posted by: someone at March 04, 2008 09:34 PM (2z2WN)

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I'm sitting ten feet away from the pink box- with Keep on the Borderlands entirely intact.

My mom was a geek, so she started me young.

Posted by: ATNorth at March 04, 2008 09:59 PM (/HWA9)

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Posted by: Spurwing Plover at March 04, 2008 11:32 PM (oCdmx)

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Well I'll be. I never played D&D, but I do remember that there were quite a few dungeon masters at the University of Alabama back in the '70s. RIP GG.

PS, I also remember that there were a few ASCII text D&D and other text adventure RPGs coded in BASIC for the VT dumb terminals of the day. Anyone for a round of Core Wars?

Posted by: Hank Rearden at March 05, 2008 12:03 AM (eXk2G)

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Personally, I feel the terms Tanar'ri and Baatezu give D&D more of a unique feel than the generic demons and devils. But that may be because my first exposure to those terms came from Planescape: Torment where the Blood War features prominently.

Thanks you, Sir Gygax, for helping birth everything from Warcraft to Final Fantasy to Magic: The Gathering.

Posted by: Scott at March 05, 2008 03:26 AM (pVl/z)

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Posted by: Beth / wanton wench? at March 05, 2008 04:05 AM (yqiXY)

110 there were quite a few dungeon masters at the University of Alabama

No way, dude. Lemme guess, you were a Teke, right?

/there was more to Alabama than Greek life?
//still clueless

Posted by: Beth / wanton wench? at March 05, 2008 04:10 AM (yqiXY)

111 And yes, now I'm spamming.

Any chance of a 2008 version of the D&D election thing, or something similar? That was utterly classic, even though I didn't/don't know shit about D&D.

Posted by: Beth / wanton wench? at March 05, 2008 04:12 AM (yqiXY)

112 Heh. I have two bookcases of the stuff - including the infamous Grey Box (1974 printing) and the two supplements. (Want juxtaposition - the 1974/75 Arenson Blackmoor next to the 2004 Arenson Blackmoor.

) I was at the 4E D&D experience. Overall: meh. If i wanted to play WOW, I'd play WOW. Some things are interesting, others aren't Hasbro/WOTC hasn't realized that miniature wargamers aren't the same group as roll players, and that electronic gamers aren't tabletop gamers. Something's going to give.

Posted by: Lysander at March 05, 2008 10:14 AM (OgcqF)

113 Re: why not always use the halberd ?

Because of its size. In 2e, there was such a big weapon speed penalty you were rendered nearly useless as a fighter because you acted so late in the round.

In 3.x, there's no weapon speed penalty, but you can't attack an opponent in an adjacent square. Enough said.

Posted by: Blacksheep at March 05, 2008 12:30 PM (EQYOq)

114 Beth, no, there's almost no chance of a re-do of that. There are only so many jokes you can make along those lines, and I did most of them the first time around.

Sorry.

I've thought about it because people keep asking but I could only rip myself off.

Posted by: ace at March 05, 2008 04:53 PM (SXBHu)

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