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| They're Baaaaack! NYT Reinstates "Near Certain" Quote To TNR PieceCheck it out. First there, then gone, then back again: The magazine granted anonymity to the writer to keep him from being punished by his military superiors and to allow him to write candidly, Mr. Foer said. He said that he had met the writer and that he knows with "near certainty" that he is, in fact, a soldier.Awww... the kids got caught and had to put the cookies back in the jar. It's suggested to me by an emailer that this had nothing to do with the reporter, who presumably stood by her work from the get-go, but by her editors -- and the NYT senior staff, likely, wishing to protect a very-liberal media ally possibly on its last legs. More Coming: You'll probably want to check back with the Weekly Standard blog for additional information. Goldfarb is on the lead in this story and never fails to round-up liks about it. What We Know. Or, rather, kinda know. 1) The reporter who wrote this piece stands by her story. This is evidenced by second-hand, unverified suggestions to me. It is more strongly evidenced by the simple fact the "near certainty" quote is back in the story -- ergo, the NYT believes it was accurate. If the reporter had much doubt about her quote, presumably the NYT would have resolved the dispute in favor of Foer. 2) Of course, the NYT seems to have always believed it was accurate; they never issued a correction, they simply stealthily deleted it from the article, sans correction, sans notice. 3) They seem to have done this -- and by "they," I mean editors and senior staff -- due to the protestations/pleadings from Franklin Foer. 4) Franklin Foer and his editors running the Plank (TNR's blog) never accused the NYT of misquoting Foer. This could be due to an honest disagreement over what was said, with both reporter and subject having good-faith belief in what was said. However, it seems to me only the reporter was actually taking notes. Notes are not infallible, God knows, but on balance, I think it's fair to say Foer said "near certainty." 5) And further, it's a fair guess that the deal worked out between the NYT and Foer was that he would not accuse them of misquoting, but they would do a quickie edit and hope no one noticed. Rhetorical question: Is this a common practice at the NYT -- protecting ideological allies from their damaging statements by omitting them from articles? 6) Foer, on the balance of evidence, then, did say he had only a "near certainty" as to his "Baghdad" Diarist's actual identity as a US soldier serving in Iraq. He insists now he is "absolutely" certain -- but what would cause him to misspeak so disastrously? Why the hedge? Why the caution? And, if Foer isn't quite certain this guy is even a soldier, Jesus! That doesn't say much about his confidence in the stories his "Baghdad" Diarist has been spitting out, does it? 7) As many have noted, it seems sort of strange for Foer to say now, after having run the pieces, he'll actually bother to do some investigating to determine if they're actually true. Shouldn't that, you know, have come before printing them? There seems little doubt, given TNR's current "investigation" of the "reports," without being to offer any evidence for their veracity right up-front, that TNR is engaged, yet again, in a Panglossian, or, should I say, Stephen Glassian faith in its "reporters" to report accurately, without making the slightest effort to verify their stories before publishing them. Comments1
This is starting to get interesting. (Pulls up chair and puts popcorn into microwave.)
Posted by: CUS at July 24, 2007 04:47 PM (bbXZq) 2
See, now it's funny! In a sick, sad, wholly hypocritical and dishonest way, but funny!
Posted by: wiserbud at July 24, 2007 04:50 PM (wWwJR) 3
The funny/sad thing is is that this would have all been averted if they had simply reported the truth. Nothing more, nothing less.
Posted by: dri at July 24, 2007 04:54 PM (koO9y) 4
What has the world come to when one liberal rag can't count on the help of another liberal rag to have their back a doctor a quote for them?
There really is no honor among thieves. Posted by: Drew at July 24, 2007 04:56 PM (hlYel) 5
if they had simply reported the truth.
***guffaw*** snort***BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAA Oh, damn, ,man, that was a good one. Like that is even possible! Posted by: wiserbud at July 24, 2007 04:58 PM (wWwJR) 6
Geez, what must Marty Peretz be thinking.
Posted by: someone at July 24, 2007 05:00 PM (TXnhk) 7
Propaganda, I'm never gonna give you up.
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God, I love it when a plan starts coming together! Stand by for action!
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Posted by: Google Dude at July 24, 2007 05:21 PM (pzen5) 11
Ace, when you first noticed, did it have the new paragraph at the end, "After this article appeared, Mr Foer said he was "absolutely certain" that the officer was a soldier" or was that yet another add-on after you looked?
Posted by: Dusty at July 24, 2007 05:22 PM (GJLeQ) 12
It's stories like this one where we need an accompanying vidclip of Michelle's famous "Nothing to see here, move along." Posted by: Bart at July 24, 2007 05:26 PM (TtPDl) 13
Foer speaks of having "confidence" in these stories being true... I'm Franklin Foer's gut, and I approve this message. Posted by: Franklin Foer's Gut at July 24, 2007 05:29 PM (GFaLW) 14
All we need now is "what is the frequency, Kenneth" - Dan Rather on the story with his trusty side-kick, Bill Burkett waiting at the Baghdad Kinkos ready to hit the send button for another story. :-)
Posted by: sergei at July 24, 2007 05:40 PM (NzupZ) 15
Now they are in trouble...Ace smells blood. He only usually get this look in his eye when he identifies the weak hobo in the pack and goes in for the kill.
"After this article appeared, Mr. Foer said he was "absolutely certain" that the author is a soldier." So does this treatment get extended to everyone now who would like to change what they say in the Times? Can Republican presidential candidates get this kind of mulligan? Or is it just a professional courtesy for fellow liberals? And how come no explanation about how this short story has 'evolved' three times today with no reasons given? Funsies! Now we get to beat up on The New Republic and The New York Times! Posted by: Drew at July 24, 2007 05:43 PM (hlYel) Posted by: ace at July 24, 2007 05:44 PM (1UCRY) 17
Um, notice how we are drifting into arguing about whether or not "Scott Thomas" is a soldier or not, rather than whether the stories TNR published actually happened, or not? This is the same strategy of goalpost-position-management that the whole Capt. Jamail Hussein dissolved into, and which finally allowed the AP to get away with pointing to someone who was not named Jamial Hussein or anything like that and who denied being him, and claiming he was "proof" their stories were true! The TNR stories purport to be true accounts, were reported as "diaries", not fantasies, and were vouched for unreservedly by the TNR editorial staff. There is only one question: where is the proof they are true... where are the names, dates, times and places? Where are the answers to the many objections raised by current and former soldiers, and their commanders? The simple question of truth is being purposefully obscured by a game of is-he or is-he-not a soldier, which I suspect is being generated to throw attention away from the fact that it doesn't matter a whit whether he is a soldier or a nun - the stories were published as true accounts of the behavior of US soldiers, with no if's and's or but's, by The National Review. Experts have called "bullshit" on TNR's stories. Prove them wrong, TNR - the stories were told by and attested to by YOU. Posted by: sherlock at July 24, 2007 05:47 PM (G9/8V) 18
Remember what's his face? With the burning mosque stories, who didn't exist for a while until he did? I'm still not satisfied he ever really even existed. But. That's really not even the point, is it? It never mattered whether he existed or not. Also, I never beleived and still don't beleive that the media intentionally was playing rope-a-dope like some suggested, trying to get their critics to over-reach so they could dismiss them. But still...if you doubt these stories are legit, if you start proclaiming that this soldier is not even a soldier it's likely to bite you in the same way. Posted by: Entropy at July 24, 2007 05:51 PM (HgAV0) Posted by: Entropy at July 24, 2007 05:52 PM (HgAV0) 20
sherlock,
That's a good point. To me the issue has evolved a bit. Assume for a moment that it turns out everything this guy wrote is true (and anyone believes it is, please call me about this bridge I have for sale) there's still the problem that at best TNR ran the stuff without having any corroboration in house prior to printing it. The fact that it's taking them a week and counting to come up with anything other than two 'Editors Notes' (one of which was back tracking on the 'near certain' statement) shows they are trying to backfill. I didn't go to J-school but I am pretty sure the standard is verify then run, not the other way around. Posted by: Drew at July 24, 2007 05:55 PM (hlYel) 21
Good points, Sherlock... but unlike the AP's source, this guy is saying that he witnessed many of the events personally. This puts TNR in a far more difficult position to defend than the AP.
Posted by: JFH at July 24, 2007 06:42 PM (c+Pwv) 22
I simply suggest we keep a laser-rangefinder spot on TNR, not on Pvt./ Sgt./ UberGruppenFuhrer Thomas.
Posted by: sherlock at July 24, 2007 07:39 PM (FsbnY) 23
Surely this weasel has a DD-214 if he's discharged, or a military I.D. if he's active duty. I'm still waiting on John Kerry's discharge papers to be released. And the beat goes on.
Posted by: twolaneflash at July 24, 2007 07:59 PM (LViJs) 24
Sherlock, not National Review; The New Republic. I suspect that the folks at NR would have fact-checked this article if it had come to them. Posted by: David Ross at July 24, 2007 08:01 PM (eFVD1) 25
Whoa, Sherlock - TNR stands for The New Republic, not National Review. Two very different magazines. Posted by: VKI at July 24, 2007 08:01 PM (xRo/Z) 26
Yeah, what David said. LOL!
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Sherlock... if it makes you feel any better, I made that mistake once as a very young vast right wing conspirator.
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