1 Pshaw.  You've only succeeded in proving one thing.  You know what it means when you disagree with Larry Johnson, sweetcakes.

2 Whether or not these documents are authentic enough is not relevent.  What is importrant is that they are accurate.

3 You Bushies are so full of it, always attacking anyone who criticizes your crusade in Iraq. There's NO WAY that is a fake PDF! What a bunch of dumbasses!

4 Too bad DFACs don't serve MREs.  You know, they kind of come from your Unit Supply.  But hey, facts aren't important to those who would take any chance they could to swipe at BushMcHalliburton.

5 To whatever extent this may be true I think probably the finger of blame ought to go toward, oh, I don't know... congress for delaying the funding so long playing political games?

But it sounds like a buncha hogwash to me, I know the military is run like crap sometimes but this sounds just wrong to me.

6

It takes at least 50 pieces of correspondance before there is ever a definative statement like that made.  There should be at least 50 other documents that hem and haw before insinuating there is a supply problem.

There is NEVER a piece of correspondence that is that succinct.  Never.

7 Well I'm exaggerating, but larry johnsons a fucking twit, so I took it to an extreme.

8 Chris, and to others... let us look at the memo line by line... I am going off the Army standard, since that is the one I am most familiar with.  If any other veteran of another branch can claim that their branch has memos done this way, please step forward.

1.  Can someone please tell me what the hell U.S. Mission Iraq is?  Its OIF- and a numeral.  I believe we are on 4 now.

2.  The military doesn't date items like this.  Instead of  5-21-2007, it would be 21 May 2007.

3.  The To: line always precedes the Subject:  line.  And there is always a From: line right after the To: line.

4.  No one in the military is referred to as an Employee.  They are referred to as SMs (Service Members).

5.  The memos points are not numbered, but hey, at least the got the block paragraph thing right.

Then we have the signature block on the wrong side and a few other issues that point that this is definately not a memo from the Army.  It is also not a DoD memo.  While the DoD standard and Army standard do differ some, the also have many similarities, such as the date format for one example.

Lastly, I have no f'n clue what the hell kind of rank a MGT/S or MGT/E is.  It certainly isn't a military rank, and all the DoD civilians are GS- and a number.

9 I was thinking that MGT/S Muench was otafin tutuola's partner.

10 as for formating, yeah the formatting is obvious, but I couldn't say other than "it looks wrong" cuz I was never a fan of my navmc 1070 to begin with.

11

And Ace,

I'm not getting the images, might just be me.

12 I need to correct my previous post, we are on OIF-5, not 4. 

At Wickedpinto...

I was thinking that MGT/S Muench was otafin tutuola's partner.

That went over my head.

13

Also, the document properties in Adobe give the author as "kahnp" and the creation date as 5/23/07 at 7:15 am--two days after the ostensible date it bears.

And don't you think they'd avoid cutting off the tail of the "q" in U.S. Mission Iraq if this is some sort of letterhead?

I hereby pronounce this the worst forgery since John Adam.

14 Law and Order SVU characters Former.

15 Just FYI, CERT = Community Emergency Response Team. It's a type of training that civilians can take, and it trains you to help out in case of Big Emergencies like earthquakes, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc.

You get a nifty green CERT bag and a helmet, gloves, goggles, face mask, first-aid supplies, and you get to see films of firefighters screwing up in fatal ways.

They teach basic first aid in traumatic situations, like how to recognize shock, how to stop bleeding, how to splint broken limbs, how to make improvised stretchers, how to set up a temporary morgue, and how to triage the wounded. And how to shut of gas lines, if necessary.

I took the class at the local fire station. When the Big One hits, I'm supposed to go to the fire station and get instructions.

16 The fact that Larry Johnson was once respected as a CIA agent means we should seriously restructure that organization to get rid of crazies like him and Plame.

17

I just got an e-mail from larry johnson.

He debunked the plame memo as a fraud and has official correspondence (you can tell it has an eagle) that proves it.

18 And here I thought it was some sort of hoax when I read that <a href="http://fametracker.com">Sean Connery turned down the titular role in Ghost Rider</a>.

19

Anyone else wondering if Larry johnson was the guy who fed the screech is dead tip to dri, knowing it would land in aces lap?  (the tip, not dri)

20

Amazing to see nozzles like LJ go down the rat hole  without looking in order to either please their masters ,or remain relevant to no-ratings cable shows.

 Don't worry Larry- Soros' won't put a stop-payment on your check.

21 Doesn't matter, fake but with a kernel of accuratish information, is more fake than it is accurate.  And delays happen all the time.  Quick story, there are a lot of bivouacs that are all over the place near "camp wilson" and there have been times when we had to offer up support vehicles to supply them.   That isn't a breakdown of logistics, it's a diverse use of equipment.  and Wilson is only about 20 miles from the mainbase.

22 Another thing...  Anytime the DoD, Army, Navy, Airforce, Marine Corps, or Coast Gaurd put out a memo, they use their official seal.   Just to bump Ace's point on the whole image thing.

Other images can be added, like regimental affiliation, unit insignia, or others, but the official seal of the branch is always present.

23

You know, there's a lot of guys who fought in WWII, Korea and Viet Nam that are either: 1) getting a good laugh at this "memo" or 2) rolling over in their graves at the softness of our tropps espoused by this "memo"

"it may not be possible to offer the dishes you are used to seeing at each meal. Fresh fruits and salad bar items will also be severely limited or unavailable."

K-rations, MREs, and mud managed to win WWII, and keep the Chi-coms at bay in Korea and Viet Nam (the politicians caused the "redeployment" of troops in the latter).  My Dad and father-in-law would have loved some fresh fruit and veggies as they went from North Africa, to Sicily and up Italy.

Even as a fake, this is a joke.

24 Damn it, forgot to change my name back on this computer.

25 I'm starting to wonder if this Larry Johnson asshat is this stupid on purpose, like he's trying to look crazy, or something.  It's almost more plausible that someone would be beclowning himself so often as part of some plan, or something.

The fact that Larry Johnson was once respected as a CIA agent

...tells you all you need to know about the incompetent tools at post-Cold War  CIA. 

26

This fake but accurate stuff pisses me off.  It is proof of a preconcieved opinion, validated by something that is fake, and then once called on their deliberate ignorance any small item that CAN, but doesn't support the initial desire of the reporter to make the statement that is only validated by a false reference is treated with doctrinal absolutism.

"Gay's infest liberal hierarchy so says specialy work product memo!"

The memo's fake dude,

"Barney frank is gay, Jim McGreevey is gay, the memo might be comepletely fake, but the supporting information for that fake memo is very real!"

FUCKING PLEASE!  That sort of logical progression can only be taught in university.

27 Was it a war crime to give less than great tasting ice cream and chicken wings to all our soldiers in all the wars in our history? If it wasn't, why does it suddenly matter now, even if this memo wasn't a load of horse crap?

28 I think I remember fedora saying that LJ was "respected" only because LJ said he was.

29

Mike,

Something else I just thought about,

Bitching about the quality of the meals that the servicemembers might be eating as though it is a warcrime, should be treated as a warcrime, seeing as how the predominent commissary contractor in Iraq is KBR.

30 How do they reconcile that?

31 Screw you all....I just got an email from this guy in Nigeria and I sent him like ten grand and in less than a week he's going to send me millions for helping him get money out of a bank account his uncle controls.

No MRE's for me, ever!

Who's the fool now?

32 Note that WaPo is quoting an embassy official.  If you think for one second that the troops are getting the same quality food as an embassy official...I have some real estate I can sell you.

Hell, the troops don't get the same quality food away from the main base.  The quality of food and variety of food was much greater at Victory Base than it was at DFACs at bases just 20 miles down the road.

But it is unlikey that you will hear troops bitch about it.  Whiney-ass State Department officials, sure...troops, not so much.  Unless they are Air Force .

33 Unless they are Air Force

Hey, now! 

(Anyway, the AF needs special food to nourish their superior brains.)
;-P

34 Besides, I thought the Left hated all this new fangled coddling of troops and wanted them to spend their days peeling potatoes lik in the "good old days" before Haliburton? That food probably sucked, so I don't understand why they suddenly want diverse food now.

35

Another thing that just struck me, cuz I saw the abbreviation "mps" somewhere else in the last few moments.

The marines and the army both have prepositioned shipping platforms, there is absolutely no concern that our troops are gonna start starving for more than 3 months I think is the inclusionary breakdown.

So, theres a supply problem from KBR?  move in the shipping, and you get a months grub, guns and gauze at no additional cost.

36 I am not techy, but when I open it in word it says this about the file

(<< /Author (khanp) /Creator (Acrobat PDFMaker 8.0 for Word) /CreationDate
(D:20070526141510-07'00') /ModDate (D:20070526141510-07'00') /Producer
(Mac OS X 10.4.8 Quartz PDFContext) /Title (UNCLASSIFIED) >>)

maybe someone knows how to read or what all the grabblygook means.

37 beth already did top.

38 damnit, sorry See-dubya already did. in comment #13

39 Thanks Wicked - for putting an end to my pathetic attempts -

Mantra
Must read comments before engaging in techie area I have no clue about!

40

at least you asked a question rather than voicing it as a curiousity only tailed with the interrogative.

Thats my big weakness, makes for a lot of "oh yeah, my bad, I'll be over here drooling on myself" sort of situations.

41 Some brave soul in the U.S. military sent Pat Lang a memo issued Monday that shows the U.S. ability to support its troops is collapsing and very vulnerable to disruption.

IIRC Pat Lang is a retired super sleuth spy intelligence guy too. I guess the good news is they're all retired.

Ace and Seixon should have held off on posting this, reports from the "inside" on cannibalism were surly to come in like a day or 2.

42

Iraqslogger had this on the 23rd claiming it was a State Department document.  Maybe so.  Seems more likely than a military document.

If that's the case it says something very different than what Johnson says it does.

And it doesn't explain why it was created two days after the date in the document.

43 I remember signatory delays when I was a clerk.  Of course I was bitching about not having the latest mod requirement for an obsolete piece of equipment, but thats beside the point.

44

Oh, and my desire for attention ignored for a moment.

You guys are good at this whole research thing.  Makes me feel like the local retard.

45 You mean combat troops might have to eat combat rations?  Torture indeed!

Joks aside, all the MRE's I ever had were actually pretty good compared to the usual fare off a roach coach.

46 Amen PA, I remember when they started introducing the vegetarian MRE's, and at that time, the vegetarian grubs was AWESOME! and I saw some of the new lists a few years back, and other than odd sensation of launching post MRE torpedoes, I would kill for most of the current menus.

47 Of course, there is really no fixing the four fingers of death.

48 Makes me feel like the local retard.

Or just plain old lazy, like me. 

49

"lazy" is the first step towards being efficient.

Trust me, one day, I will be the most efficient mofaku on the planet.

50 Oh come on Wickedpinto, those 4 lil hotdogs were good. Okay, I lied.  However, everyone was always jealous of the guy that got beef stew.

You got the stew, crackers (come in almost all) to put in your stew, some Jalepeno Cheese, and a brownie.  Man, those rocked.

51 The only way the hotdogs were tolerable is if you could trade out your cake for at least 2 extra bottles of tobasco.

52 yeah beef stew was good, but did you have the veggy MRE's?  They were awesome!

53 The only veggie one I ever tried was the tortellini, and yes it rocked.  I do agree with you that the hotdogs sucked donkeynutz, but they couldn't approach the horror that was the slab of ham. 

54 Larry Johnson=Phillip Agee

55 I liked the ham, I also liked the omelette, the guys who had to smell my stinkies didn't like that I liked the ham or the omelette, but hey, those guys were dicks  

56 okay one more stab - I am sure I will regret this -- but when I control save to desktop the image Iraqslogger put up (versus opening the image in a new window and then saving it) and then do "get info" (file info)

Date created says : Monday, June 6, 2005 5:558 pm

It's a png image

When I do the same thing to the open to new window then saved image I get nothing (or info today, crated today, saved today)

I am on a mac - so maybe some one can glean more info

57 OH and it also says in the process described first

Last Opened: Monday, August 28, 2006 2:36am

58 What's an MRE?  Never heard of 'em.

/Air Force

//kidding

59 Did your MRE's really come with little midgets to take away the china?

60 and what was your wine ration?

61 I have no f'n clue what the hell kind of rank a MGT/S or MGT/E is.

Those aren't ranks.  I would assume that 'MGT' is short for 'management.' However it's obvious that 'S' and 'E' are the first initials of S. Muensch and E. Butler.

What is obvious, however, is that this is definitely not a military correspondence--not that I think that anyone was trying to copy military format. (Recall the Bush-AWOL documents--patently bogus not only due to the fact that someone had composed them using Microsoft Word, but because of the author's laughably poor attempt to imitate the strict format of military letters.)

62 Oh, you are killing me Wickedpinto...  But seriously, the Air Force, just like any other branch wouldn't have midgets.  The would have "person, small".

63

The would have "person, small"

AWESOME!

64 person, small, 1 each, that is.

Go Air Force! Proudly not having no dang MREs since 1947! :-)

(USAF 1981-1994, USAFR 1995-2003)

65 Here's Larry's response to a comment at his blog:

You complete bonehead. US Embassy authorities confirmed its authenticity on Thursday. You are a certifiable idiot. Go take up space where intelligence is not a requirement to participate.  

Hmmm. The memo was on Iraqslogger on Wednesday, the same day that Karen DeYoung at WaPo first wrote about it.... She supposedly confirmed the "delay" with people in Iraq, although she could have just quote-shopped them to fit with what she was writing. There's nothing in her story to say she confirmed the authenticity of the memo.

66 God, It's a simple sort of "in" humor, but I love it anyways.   Thanks baldy, beth and former.

67 i see that, Seixon--so what's the deal?  Larry admits it's fake in an update to the post, but now he's defending it in the comments?<blockquote>UPDATE:  I've received a note from a journalist buddy who say's that the US military Public Affairs Officer in Baghdad says this is a phony document. </blockquote>

68 Can't add much to this discussion that hasn't already been said, although I spent 15 years as an Air Force personnel supervisor at various duty locations in CONUS,  Europe, and Saudi Arabia (Khobar Towers, Dhahran, 1994-95), and I never saw anything like this.

I will add, in case it hasn't already been brought up, that the name listed as author of the pdf document, "khanp," looks very, shall we say, Muslim to me (i.e., actual name would be presumably "P. Khan").  I know this because I regularly advise graduate students from Southwest Asia at a large Midwestern university.  I suspect "Mr. Khan" is Muslim  and may well be of either Indian or Pakistani heritage.

If you don't believe me, just do a quick search through Google Images using the word "Khan."  Lots of folks with traditional Arabic names will immediately pop up.  Is it profiling?  I guess so, but the question really needs to be asked, doesn't it?

69 What would be a reasonable lag for google to catch up to this moronblog's posts?   Cuz, just for shits and giggles I've been googling "Lenox China "Defender of Freedom" hummel figurine memo"  waiting for you to pop up.

70

Nobody liked the pork patties?  Loved those things with the applesauce packet.

Thing I couldn't stomach was the cheese in the bag.  I saw guys open their mouths and squeeze that goop down their throat.  That crap was the paste of death.

Is Larry Johnson like that "hard as nails, CIA kill squad guy" Michael Scheuer that JimBob was ejaculating over, only dumber?

71

MarkJ,

interesting point, but what about the person,small?

72

only dumber?

The technical term is "retarded."

And I loved the Cheese especially on those rare ocassions (how do you spell that fucking word?) when we had MRE bread, which I think is the next best thing to warm sauerdough.

73 My favorite part of the MRE was the crackers and the dried peaches.  Forget adding water - ate them right out of the bag like a candy bar.

No, was never in the military.  Was in both HS and college ROTC - midshipman 3rd when I realized being a military brat my entire life was enough.

74

Wicked, I'm not up to speed on the lastest technical orders so I've missed the transistion from the use of "dumber" to "retarded".  Guess that means I'll have to enter Super High Instensity Training mode.

Cheese made me gag.  Dude, check out Michael's war dog memorial post.  Poochies and Marines -- you'd love it.  Collar on the dog has Always on one side and Faithful on the other.

75

Peaches?  Now that would rock with or without the water.

Had the dried strawberries but never the peaches.

76 Oh, the peaches were awesome.

And I loved the ham.  Used to take it out and put it on the crackers with just a little cheese.  Not too much - that cheese could constipate an elephant.

77

Don't recall ever having dried peaches, I was in when a lot of shit on the menu was getting phased out, and the good stuff was coming in.  But the Crackers, is EXACTLY why the MRE bread was awesome, I would hoard that shit, and after good excercise, or an acknowledgement from a grunt I was in training with, I would treat myself with an honest to goodness sammich with bread.  Even if it was 4 fingers of death (with 2 extra bottles of tobasco) sammich.

An honest to goodness sammich was such a treat.  Actually now that I mention that, I thought of something else, the only thing that I ever used my bayonet for, Other than cutting off the tip of my left index finger by using "poor judgement" as my SNCOIC put it, was to cut down tree's, 4 inches and less in diameter (and let me tell you, if your NCOIC or anyone higher catches you using your weapon, bayonnet attached as an axe during a simple "comm" excercise, they tend to get pissed, WHOOSH!) and to cut my mre bread.

78 I did grumps, I just couldn't comment on it.  It's too sad, did you see allah's link to the adopted poochie named hero?

79 sorry, not grumps, cranky, are you the same guy?

80 No one has mentioned Ranger Pudding yet?

1.  Open MRE Coco Mix.

2.  Add Cream and Sugar from the accessory packet (Coffee mix added: Optional, but only for the most hardcore).

3.  Stir in water until a pudding like consistency is achieved.

4.

5. Profit.

I also heard rumors of creating a strawberry shortcake while using the bread, dehydrated strawberries, and some other ingredients.  Never had a MRE with the strawberries so I never got to try it.

81 Charles has dubbed it "Hummelgate". Man Ace is really blowing up these days. Rush, now tag teaming with Mr. Fake Memo himself, the Big Lizard. The checks form your zionist masters are gonna HUGE. Time to buy that grill at the jewelry store you've been eyeing.

82

 Larry Johnson is an idiot of the first order...

 http://www.slate.com/id/1008336

 "Judging from news reports and the portrayal of villains in our popular entertainment, Americans are bedeviled by fantasies about terrorism. They seem to believe that terrorism is the greatest threat to the United States and that it is becoming more widespread and lethal. They are likely to think that the United States is the most popular target of terrorists. And they almost certainly have the impression that extremist Islamic groups cause most terrorism.

"None of these beliefs are based in fact. ... While terrorism is not vanquished, in a world where thousands of nuclear warheads are still aimed across the continents, terrorism is not the biggest security challenge confronting the United States, and it should not be portrayed that way."

--Larry C. Johnson, "The Declining Terrorist Threat," New York Times, July 10, 2001. Johnson, a former CIA officer, was deputy director of the U.S. State Department's Office of Counterterrorism from 1989 to 1993.

 

 

 

83

I actually thought it was disgusting former.  I would use the cocoa while walking, mouthful, water, mouthful water, Kinda like a night at the marriotte when ace and allah share a room.

I used the coffee like snuff, kept my warface going while I wanted to cry from the strain of walking.

84 It seems to me that someone shopped this phony document to Iraqslogger, Patrick Lang, and perhaps a few others on Wednesday the 23rd. Iraqslogger and Larry Johnson then post it that same day (Lang and Johnson are VIPS buddies), on the 23rd. Karen DeYoung of the WaPo writes an article about it on the 23rd. Then DeYoung writes another article on the 24th recycling the information, and gets some quotes from army personnel in Iraq that, from the looks of it, only seems to confirm that small delays happen from time to time, but "meshes" well with the phony memo.

Then Larry says that DeYoung's article is basically a confirmation of the memo's authenticity from US Embassy authorities... although DeYoung never states anywhere in the article that she had someone authenticate the document. Unless she did in the article on the 23rd, that it behind the subscription wall at the WaPo...

I think we're basically dealing with a total fake that DeYoung tried to pass off as genuine and quote-shopped some guys in Iraq to make it seem authenticated.

85 Former, the shortcake was with the poundcake, not the "MRE Bread" which is different.  Though that sounds good actually, assuming you mean the lemon poundcake, which everyone fought for (except for me, I was always worried about losing weight, I wanted the calories. most of the time)

86

Whats with seixon staying on topic?

are they trying to kill this thread or what?

J/k, thats cool shit, I love the hummelgate thing.  Ace is gonna start wearing a tie to his laptop.

87 Nobody liked the pork patties?

I recall some dehydrated pork thing you had to add water to.   If you could refrain from actually looking at it and just choke it down quick, it didn't taste too bad. 

88 Nah, there was a pork patty that was basicaly a cardboard version of the ham slice PA.

89 You are right wicked...  Been about 4 years since I had any MREs so my memory of them might be a lil sketchy.  I was what a grunt would call a REMF, so I didn't get that much exposure to them to begin with.

90

Former, you don't get much more remf than me.  2881/5911/6341  Pogue as pogue can be.  Luckily I was in the Marine Corps so I got to volunteer for the cool shit when it came up, and my commanders either hated me and wanted me gone, or liked me and rewarded me with what I wanted, which was being a marine.    SWEET gig.

every 2 months it was my job to spend 1 month being a 12 year old, it so rocked.

91

Also, been more than 7 years for me.

92 In the LGF comments "KHAAAAAAAAAN" cracked me up.

93 Isn't Larry Johnson the same guy who made fun of Karl Rove for one of his parents committing suicided a couple of months ago? Of course, this makes him one of the Left's deities, right next to Mother Sheehan and Mumia.

94 Worry wicked, I'm sick and bored, was nerdy of me to stay on topic, I'll start bringing sexy back and talk about food rations. ;D

95

Yeah, and called the author of the law that he clearly knows nothing about a "twit" and he also accused the president of treason shortly after 911, and he also said that . . . . AWW man, the Marine Colonel with the raspy voice on fox "never met wesley clarke" and theres a bunch of other things LJ has done, oddly enough, for a guy who's resume' says "respected intelligence professional" and if you don't believe him, you can just ask him for verification, he's remarkably wrong.

Which explains why he was in the CIA and why the CIA needs to be gutted, scrapped, and then rebuilt, using former milsec guys rather than wannabe politicians padding their resume's fresh out of university.

96 Worry? Oh man, I think I need to go to bed. Teh keeysboardzing iz h4rdz...

97

Seixon, try this, try refreshing the new comments thingy when the right button on your mouse is either in the process of breaking completely, or so filthy, that you are too lazy to clean, and you just broke your back up a few weeks ago?

This whole right click thing is pissing me off, it's even worse when I try to play civ.

98

also seixon, did you notice that someone tried to create an MRE discussion but failed?

HAHAHAHAH  VICTORY IS OURS!

99 damn!!!   Someone tried to create an MRE discussion in the LGF thread.

100

Yawn.  The only people who'd complain about the chow hall selections would be pogues.  Us grunts was happy we wasn't eatin' these motherfuckin' MRE's.

And a lot of the ones they've come out with in the last couple of years are really good.  Ham Slice is thankfully gone, as is Pork Chow Mein.  The new Beef Patty (it's a hamburger) is actually really good, and the Meat Loaf doesn't taste like shit anymore.

Do not, repeat do not, eat the Omelette.

101 I really did like the omelette, though there is collateral damage with that particular action, but I didn't care.

102 I liked the ham slice.  It was like mildy pork-flavored salt.

103 The military doesn't date items like this. Instead of 5-21-2007, it would be 21 May 2007.

Yeah, I know people who've been out of the service for 35 years who still write their dates that way as a conditioned reflex.

104

But I know the racism others have against the omelettes, only other person I knew who liked the omelette was a "friend" of sorts (he actually had a sort of man crush on me, we were the same age, from the same area, and both more than a little crazy, and while I do have an ego about my untapped intelligence, he was actually MUCH smarter than I was/am but he fucking WANTED to be an 04, why does someone with a 98 afqt WANT to be a fucking 04?  while I was a 28, anways) he didn't actually like the omelette, but he would barter for the omelette whenever he got the hamslice, or vice versa.  I can see the logic, but he didn't have any bread.

Another guy I knew, used to bring those little condiment pouches of honey they had at the chow hall?  he used to gank them, and brink friggen pockets full whenever we went to the field, but he was a genuinely weird person (and yes, thats me saying that) he would treat his MRE like a fucking 8 course meal, I can't remember his name though.

105 I think DoN in comman ussage uses YYDDMM or is it YYMMDD?  I think it's YYMMDD, no space, no seperationg, but the navmc1070 for common correspondence requires the DD MONTH YYYY method.  I think.  I hated having to actually write that shit for my commanders.

106

Larry is getting hammered in his comments.  I'm not sure I'd want to leave my IP address with him, though.  He's mean and held a grudge against Seixon for a long time.

Still, pretty funny.

107

 He's mean and held a grudge against Seixon for a long time.

Seixon!  Go get a bunch of omelette MRE's!!  We should gather together as a group, eat the MRE's and Fart on his rosebush's!!!!

108 K-rations, MREs, and mud managed to win WWII, and keep the Chi-coms at bay in Korea and Viet Nam (the politicians caused the "redeployment" of troops in the latter). My Dad and father-in-law would have loved some fresh fruit and veggies as they went from North Africa, to Sicily and up Italy.

Even as a fake, this is a joke.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking: they aren't getting their salad bar and this is a basis for swearing? Overreact much, Johnson?

The thing is I don't doubt the content of this is true; the actual memo looks a bit suspect (and its easy as pie to make a PDF file of anything at all, they should have tried something else).

109 Who could be surprised that Larry Johnson would be taken in by a cheap photoshop fake that happened to agree with his preconceived notions?

He claims to have been the guy in charge of the get-Osama department of the CIA, but instead of doing that, he was writing op-eds in the New York Times, in July 2001 for Heaven's sake, claiming that international terrorism was a thing of the past.

To call him a self-serving idiot would be unfair to the real self-serving idiots.

110

If you go to a survival course, they abandon you (pick the particular survival course) for x number of days (I think cold weather is the minimum) with 1 MRE, and leave you alone until you accomplish your task.

I think a couple days without chicken ketchup and cheese, also called "chicken parmesian" won't hurt the morale or the stomachs of people who GET SHOT AT FOR A FUCKING LIVING!!!!

It isn't the individuals bitching, it's the citizens of the world who hate bush who are.

111

Yeah Gandalin,

Rosy is almost embarassed for listening to him.

112 Highlights from the Larry Johnson weiner roast in his comments, so you don't have to go.  Best one at the end:

Larry, if you have any intellectual integrity you'll apologize to General Petraeus after finding out that the document was fake.

Posted by: Capitalist Infidel | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 16:34

Johnson, you are a fraud.

Posted by: joated | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 16:44

Don't you feel, no YOU ARE A FUCKING IDIOT!

Posted by: Theseus | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 17:44

Larry, I hate to break to you, but the eagle on that "official" memo is a picture of a Hummel figurine. I have one on my desk. Unless the Pentagon is working a merchandising deal with Hummel Figurines Inc., the memo is most likely a fraud. And a rather badly done one at that.

Posted by: Max | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 17:44

My mistake. Upon close inspection of my figurine, it's a Lenox China figurine. See? There's a lesson there. I shouldn't have jumped to conclusions. But it sure looked like a Hummel.

Posted by: Max | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 17:53

...

Nice going, asshole! Nothing like perpetrating a hoax and getting caught in half a day.

Posted by: R.B. Phillips | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 18:20

I read a document from the military that said 30,000 of our soldiers were ripped to shreds by vultures. That's pretty messed up!

UPDATE: I've received a note from a journalist buddy who say's that the US military Public Affairs Officer in Baghdad says this is a phony document. We'll see. I sure hope that is the case. But it does not undermine the basic point of the vulnerability of the U.S. soldiers to vultures.

Posted by: Kevin | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 18:57

You are a friggin' idiot. That's the fakest memo I've ever seen. Who was that supposed to be from? It doesn't look military, and it doesn't look KBR - who runs the chow halls.

Posted by: DoubleTap | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 19:07

Even if real its a yawner.

....

"UPDATE: I've received a note from a journalist buddy who say's that the US military Public Affairs Officer in Baghdad says this is a phony document. We'll see. I sure hope that is the case." No-- you don't hope that's the case. Who gives a fuck whether its true or not as long as it makes the Republicans look bad, right? Stinking fuckwits!

Posted by: Ken H | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 19:50

Larry,

Your hatred has blinded you. You have become the Rosie of ex-CIA employees.

Posted by: Dogstar | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 19:50

113 Depending on the form we sometimes used Julian or Octavian dating in the Army.  But that was mostly for higher end maintence stuff.  The most common by far was dd month yyyy. 

I've been out for a little over two years now, I understand the reflexive comment Dead Career Sketch.  I can write my dates as a civilian, but it takes an effort to do so.

114

see-Dubya,

Kevin wins, that was fucking funny!

115

So if we are running out of food, how is this guy eating fresh fruit in Iraq......see bottom of article

http://desertflier.blogspot.com/2007/05/ramadi-all-nighters.html

 

Tinfoil hat time............

116

I was just gonna make a statement, but I'm gonna do something.

I'm gonna see if the navmc 1070 is available online.  general usage is different, but I think that the DD MNAME (is that it?) YYYY, is the common form in correspondence, but I'm not gonna stick by that.

I'm actually gonna look it up.

117 OH SHIT! I mixed up my orders!  Thats why the 1070 was so fixed in my mind, cuz I almost lost my clearence.  Okay, gonna keep researching.

118

okay, every link is behind the .mil wall, fuckers, and actually I might still be right about the 1070, cuz all I got was chapter headings.   CURSES!!!!

119 WP, since Iraqslogger called it a state department document, I doubt you'll find anything.

120 I have to say I am cracking up at the comments people are leaving at Larry's Johnson...so many he can't keep up with THE ALL CAP RESPONSES RESORTING TO NAME-CALLING BECAUSE ALL LARRY EVERY HAS BECAUSE HE IS REALLY JUST A 3 YEAR OLD!

but this one from one his diehard kool-aid groupies is hilarious

dreamer... you are so far off base... Larry, thankfully, will at least bring out all the evidence, and let us judge for ourselves... based on my knowledge, from many friends and family serving there, is that this is most likely fact, although I too am not pleased...

You should go back and read Col Langs comments on intelligence gathering, and reporting. You might learn a few things... also, I may be wrong, you might be in that group who thinks they know so much better than those on the ground, or in the field... you know, those career work horses, that can be used as pawns by this cabal.

Posted by: PrchrLady | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 13:35

Yeah...Larry will be rolling out all the evidence to support this fraud any minute now, like he did with the Fitzgerald 17 indictments or confirming Jason Leopold's 24 biz hour Rove indictment -- signing off "it's called Truthout for a reason -- as in getting the truth out"

121 Get out of my head See-Dub!

122

OH! Thanks See-Dubya, I do know the format for the state department documents, I believe the format is DURRRRR-DURRRR-DURRRRR  BUSHITLER EVIL!  DURRRR! *shits themselves.*

I'm just bugged that a completely non confidential document is hard to track down.  I mean really is mco 4910.24F (or is it 14?  Uniform reg's) or MCO 4800G (mimms manual) security material?  does knowing how to author a correspondence security material?  it's just irritating, so I'm irritated, fittingly enough.

123 You really must read Larry's new post - yawn Libby - but his anti-torture readers thought this would be a good thing

Larry,

what we need to do is temporarily ask france if we can borrow their guillotine as a substitute for our federal gallows. and then proceed to frog-march those involved in the 'compromise' of our national security in this matter, to the borrowed marie antonette machine.

make sure to have extra baskets on hand to catch the dregs as they fall off.

Posted by: J | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 14:01

exactly.

Posted by: oldtree | Saturday, 26 May 2007 at 14:58

124 He claims to have been the guy in charge of the get-Osama department of the CIA

That explains so much.

Good thing this toolbox wasn't in charge of the Cold War, huh?

Oh, did I call him a "toolbox"? I meant to say "toolshed". A mere box isn't big enough to contain toolage of that level.

125 As a graphic designer I agree with the editable vs. not scanned -- as the type is editable and when opened in photoshop it's not flattened.

Also - I dashing out and again haven't read to tediously -
WP, since Iraqslogger called it a state department document, I doubt you'll find anything.

Remember that international man of intelligence extroidinaire Scary Larry also worked for State.

126 Now larry is gonna start making 3 syllable per line posts.

127 Is dead career saying that larry takes it in the ass?

128

Cuz if you are dead, that is HATEFUL! and VILE!!!!

He does NOT take it in the ass.

Larry is a mouth puppet.

129 All I want to know, is are our troops going to have enough plastic turkeys this Thanksgiving?

130 I SO HOPE that was satire!

131 If it was, "hahaha" good play, if it wasn't, let me ice my beer.

132

i gotta go, but check this out:  Larry's blog (not Larry but a guest poster) is pimping a writeup about a panel Larry was on in the forthcoming Executive Intelligence Review.

That's Lyndon Larouche's newsletter.

133

hehe see-dubya,

Good suggestion btw, gonna go read for a few hours.

Lets hope ace can come up with some post about how small all of our peni are, so it can be all fun and games.

134 and by "read" I mean, "books"  it's one of the few 1 syllable words she hasn't used on her "blog"/poetry

135 OK, for anyone who cares, I just dug up the following...

Timeline for May 23rd:

Johnson posted the PDF on his blog at 10:22am EST.

DeYoung posted the article on WaPo at 5:23pm EST.

Iraqslogger�s Christina Davidson posted a pic of the PDF and a short article at 5:24pm EST.

Additional nugget: Davidson used Lang earlier in May for a letter he posted from an Iraq veteran.

Conclusion: Lang leaked the PDF to both Johnson and Davidson, possibly also to DeYoung.

Sorry I had to get my nerd on again. Promise I'll stop now.

136 Oh, and See-Dub, I already read through the panel discussion that Larry posted. During the course of it, Larry repeats Valerie's little story about her junior officer receiving a call from the OVP about the uranium.

Oh, and Patrick Lang, the PDF Man of the Hour, reveals in the discussion that he interviewed for a job at the Pentagon early on in the Bush administration. The person who interviewed him: Doug Feith. Needless to say, he didn't get the job.

And all of a sudden, Lang's crusade against Feith ever since (which VIPS has eagerly participated in) makes a whole lot more sense.....

137

Looks like the left, especially the left that is associated with plame has the same MO.

Create a situation, allow others to act on it, then swoop in to fix the failures that they themselves created making it appear as though only they, the Valerie Plame left can adress these issues, which in a way is true, seing as how they created them.

thats good nerd seixon.  You and fedora should have a child, but I don't think democracy could handle that.

138 If the fedora conspiracy is true, then there BETTER be a lot of accusations and convictions for treason.

139 Wait, wait, what's the fedora conspiracy? Oh, and I'm not ready to have children. Not yet. Oh, and I'd possibly want/have to meet fedora to make a baby. Might make things a bit easier, although I'm sure there's some fantastic liberal new science way to make babies from afar.

140 Oh, not to mention long-distance abortions. The Next Greatest Thing.

141 I thank God everyday that Hitler's secret plan to destroy Eisenhower's salad bar was unsuccessful. The destruction of Zhukov's waffle maker needlessly prolonged the war on the Eastern Front by 6 months.

142 fedora is the screenname of a guy from the the free republic who was knee deap into this shit from day one.

143

oh, and there was this whole "MAYBE" concept that existed, because joe was closely tied to governments and less significant exporters of uranium mining operations, adn that if someone were conspiracy minded, this might have been a whole effort to legitamize fringe mining operations, so that they can increase their exports to france if they operated under the guise of official sanction.

It's really interesting shit, just go to free republic and do a search for "fedora" and you will have more links than you would have expected.

144 I hate to be a party pooper but thats a memorandum form so normal rules go out the window as far as formatting.  Memos are informal communication. 

That said even if it was true so what, it's normal.  And I don't mean that in a so what screw the Soldier or Marine type of way but in the even in peace time this happens way.   If you go to a CAX at 29 Palms you eat MREs one meal a day at least and when you do get a hot meal you used to have to eat standing up.  Overseas it is very common to have shortages of all sorts of stuff.  In Iceland we went a week with out bread one time and the exchange was out of everything including Beer.  In Antarctica we almost had a riot because empty cardboard boxes were taking shipping priority over fresh food and Christmas presents.  Limited shipping space affects everyone all the time.

145 Or you can go to ajstrata's place and read his "summary's" which even though they are huge, are in fact "summary's" of fedora's work.

146

In Iceland we went a week with out bread one time and the exchange was out of everything including Beer.

WAR CRIME!!! 

You wintered in Antarctica, or just sat a float?

147

Wicked, I passed grumpy on my way to cranky a long time ago.  In the Air Force it is known as getting your 7-level.

Pork patty had to be hydrated and warmed up if possible.  Get some water in the bag and stick the bag inside your shirt.  Nothing like pork patty, applesauce and sweat.  The applesauce helped a lot in making it edible 'cause it sure didn't look too tasty.

Those honey packets are the way to go.  Great idea.

148 are you channeling the other guy, PLV?  cuz you are gonna get that, you know chad.

149 I meant grumpy not "grumpy."

150 The point Wicked has been making, and that the leftist twit can't know, is that for the military, being out of fresh fruit is a crisis in the Officer's club but not especially shocking to the guys actually doing the soldiering. The faux outrage that the leftists are perpetrating on this is just hilarious, they are shocked, shocked to read a memo that hints that our boys, which they support so very much, aren't getting Frappuchinos and Arugala salad with caviar delivered by hand to them in the battlefield? Can you imagine!?

151 I hate to be a party pooper but thats a memorandum form so normal rules go out the window as far as formatting.  Memos are informal communication.

What pot are you smoking? There really is no such thing as informal communication in the military.  Especially if you are going to take the time to commit it to paper.

Please elaborate and say specifically which branch of the military or government agency that uses memorandums for informal communication.  Because it sure as fuck isn't the Army.

152 To cranky, FUCKING HILARIOUS!

153 Hmm, on the whole uranium-Niger-Wilson-France thing, I thought of something today. The State Department and all them were not all that convinced that Iraq would be able to get uranium out of Niger, right?

What if Iraq was buying the uranium for.... Libya. Who had a nuclear program. Who's neighbor just happens to be... Niger.

See, no one would believe that Iraq was buying it, simply because of the logistics. That way, intelligence agencies would think it was bogus, meanwhile, the uranium is shipped to Libya with their secret little nuclear program.

This way, Libya's nuclear program doesn't get discovered, a nuclear program that may have been aided by the Iraqis...

The IAEA investigated Libya's nuclear program after we forced them to give it up in 2003, but they never came to any firm conclusions on where they got their uranium from, mostly because Libya wouldn't tell them straight up.

Gee. Wouldn't happen to have a uranium-producing neighbor there, would ya Libya? Oh you do, how interesting.

154 I was in Antarctica for 6 mos (Summer Season) I wanted to winter over and almost had the chance when one of the IDCs had to be medevaced back to New Zealand but he recovered and came back so back I went to NavHosp Philadelphia. 

Just to be sure guys I looked it up and memos are locally controlled as far as format and content (at least in the DON) so it is very possible that this is just a routine announcement that would be posted outside a mess hall.  I was getting confused trying to figure out what Rank / Rate MGT/S and MGT/E are but then I realized that the S and E are first initials.  I think MGT is a contract title of some sort.  Which pisses me off cuz I have Larry Johnson and really love it when he gets stuff like this crammed up his ass.

I have to say its amazing what you remember about crap like official correspondence even 11 years after you got out. 

Oh and Wickedpinto you think no beer in Iceland was a War Crime you should have seen the morale plummet in Korea when the confined us all to the Posco pier for 5 days and no one could get laid or get more than one beer at the "club"

155 well, the officers don't think much of it either anymore chris, it's the flag officers and the diplomats who think the world is coming to an end, but the field officers are actually pretty good cats.  Fuck I work with Mesa at our retarded blog, and I HOPE! he at least made captain list.

156

The G would be followed by a number, indicating approximate rank in comparisson with their military counterparts, I'm almost positive of that, and I have only been out for 7 years, not 11, and wintering over is the only service medal I would have killed for (since I was peacetime, wartime is different.)

157

example, if MGT was the author, and MGT was a civilian position, on military time, they would have included their position (I think DiGR knows more about this acctually since he's a civvie at the pentagon) it would likely be (assuming MGT is a civvie position, it would be "MGT/12 E. Blah" not just "MGT/Blah"

of course CIA has different rankings I believe.

158 I hate to be a party pooper but thats a memorandum form so normal rules go out the window as far as formatting.  Memos are informal communication.

Every internal memo I wrote or read in the AF was as strictly formatted as outgoing correspondence...and I was a part of three different types of units during my career (maintenance, intel, medical).

During my PME courses, I recall learning about 'informal communication'--a memo is not an example of such.

159 @former republican

SECNAVINST 5216.5 series Sec. D Memorandums
AR 25-50 sec 2-1

The army reg doesn't show the preprinted memo form in use, but from personal experience when I was stationed in Philadelphia we used to get correspondence from the Environmental Health guys at Dix and McGuire on those forms all the time.

160

During my PME courses, I recall learning about 'informal communication'--a memo is not an example of such.

I was about to say something like that, but I'm a hamfisted retard.

161 @Wickedpinto -

IF the MGT was a civil service position you are correct.  If however the DFAC / EDF/ Chow Hall / Mess Hall was run by a contractor then they use their own internal designations. 

162

That doesn't fit chad, cuz the chow hall attendent wouldn't be writing this shit, the fucking quartermaster would, who would have a rank, not a civilian position.

Are you making points that don't need to be made just to make points that don't need to be made to fuck with people?

163 Karen DeYoung, BTW, is a bit notorious (sloppy) herownself:  http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A3041_0_2_0_C/

An agenda "journalist."

Cordially...

164 Gonna rack out soon, so I'm out, I need a little "me time" and if you think that "me time" = "tug one off to 110% naturals porn" then, well, you are a sicko, and I'm not saying anything more, (except that well, yeah, you are right)

165 No. 

Maybe I am making it more confusing.  My point is that:

1.  Overseas this is a fairly common occurence
2.  The nature of this memo is not necessarily indicaive of a fake as much as I would like to catch LJ at that.
3.  That the DFAC may not be run by the military and therefore the use of MGT may be nisleading people into thinking this is a fake. 

Of the 3 items number 1 is most important in my opinion. 

My personal experience was that in places like hospitals or large duty stations it would be common for the contractors to put out announcements like this.  With Marine Corps units or at forward deployed locations it was genrally the S-4 shop via the Mess Sgt.   As I said that's based on my experience so your mileage may vary.  I can't really say about shipboard I did all my sea duty with Marine units.

166 tsall cool chad, thanks for responding, I'm really racking out at any minute.

167 I wish I had a phone directory for the Emabssy in Iraq I would just call the Dinig facility and ask S.  Muench if he wrote the damn thing.  It's the weekend long distance rates are down :-)

168 So, if I were to run across a sales receipt for a Lenox China "Defender of Freedom" eagle figurine, sold to Karl Rove, it'd just be a coincidence, right?

169 If I had been much closer to my EAS I could e-mail some of my friends, of course, if I were that close, I prolly never would have left, but shit happens.

170 As a former grunt, I laugh at the idea of missing meals. We would have called it par for the course. We get half-cooked rice and hot water while the pogues live high on the hog. What the fuck is ice cream? Nothing wrong with MREs, just be happy if the pogues haven't rat-fucked the cases and left us with ham slice and the fucking shitty beef.

171

Carl Hungus, of course real action is different but in the field I remembed when I would get my hot meal, in the field as a pogue, and I hated how little I got, I don't care if it was "hot" which is a VERY relative term, and I would always ask if I could pass on the hots and get an MRE, cuz at least there was actually food in the MRE.  Strainy corn, thin mash, and a stew that could pass through a collander.

I actually disliked the "field"hots more than I did the MRE's.  like I said, I was a pogue.

172 I'm really not a pogue hater, I always thought that was bullshit. I'm still pissed about getting fucked over though.

173 To quote one of my best friends.  "in the bill of rights for grunts, pretty much the onlly ammendment that matters is the one to bitch"

174 Somebody always has it worse, at least Chesty wasn't telling us we had to take it from the japs ala Guadacanal.

175 Guadalcanal

176

I can't think straight, I'm definately out this time.

Nice ya'all, good memories, good times.

177 You know what, I'm not in anymore and pogues are at the sharp end all over the world, so I need to shut the fuck up. As I was.

178 I tend to be suspicious of a story (the WAPO story) that refers to MREs as "freeze-dried." Obviously many reporters in Washington wouldn't know that this is not the case, but it would be incredibly easy to find out, and I expect (although I could be wrong) that she probably could've found out from the embassy spokesman she was supposedly in contact with.

179 SEIXON ROOOOOLZ !!1!

(Wickedpinto ? Not so much.)

180

Every federal agency has an intranet.  Every intranet has the letterhead you are supposed to use.  Anyone will a .mil address we will able to verify what letterheads are available to them in <5 minutes.  But WAIT!  You don't even need intranet access.

Go to http://search.military.com/search/milcom.html and search letterhead.

There it is baby!  US ARMY LETTERHEAD.   First page.  On the internet site.

181

Goes without mentioning that every federal agency, including the military, have style guides for writing memos and letters.  It is a fireable/disciplinary offense to not include your mail code.

 

182 @180 and 181

I don't know about in the Army but in the Navy the only people authorized to use letterhead are the CO of a command or someone with By Direction authority.  So when I was at NavHosp Phila if I sent out a notice to all departments that say laid out the flu immnization schedule it went out in letter memorandum form with no letterhead. 

I referenced the Department of the Navy Correspondence manual in my comments above where it specifically addresses these issues. 

@all

I emailed the US Embassy in Baghdad last night and asked and they confirmed that the embassy is referred to locally as US Mission - Iraq and that the memo was genuine.  I forwarded that e-mail to Ace and he can verify it in anyway he wants and post or not post it.

183 Chad, good on you for looking up the AR regarding correspondence.  I'll give you points for that.  But, no one here said that the Army has a form for their memos. They don't.  But they have strict guidelines on how they are set up. 

If you actually go to Chapter 2, there are lots of nice pretty pictures.  Also, regarding the use of the letterhead, it says in the AR you, yourself know about, all you need to know in Chapter 1-18.  Anyone who has to write a memo for any reason is not only authorized to use the letterhead, but they are required.

184 Thats why I specifically said that in the Navy letterhead is restricted.  I don't know who authored the memo so I can only point out a possibility.

185 Confirming the post by "former republican" about Memorandum Format in the Army.  All rules hold true in the Air Force.  If anyone wants the Gee-Whiz knowledge of how to write an official memorandum for the Air Force, look here (http://www.e-publishing.af.mil/pubfiles/af/33/afh33-337/afh33-337.pdf) and start on page 181.  The other services are very similar.

Obviously not an official memo.

186 well, the officers don't think much of it either anymore chris, it's the flag officers and the diplomats who think the world is coming to an end, but the field officers are actually pretty good cats.

Well I was thinking particularly of REMFs who work in air conditioned offices.

187 Long-time reader, first-time poster.

I'm a military contractor working in the IZ, and yes, a similar notice did in fact go up last week at the Embassy (well, the Embassy annex, but it's what everyone calls "the Embassy").  But here's the thing -- that notice goes up all the time.  I go to the Embassy DFAC a few times a week, and I'd say that it's been up probably a third of the last year and a half.  The main difference?  No eggs, no fresh fruit.  Big whoop.  I like Froot Loops anyway.

Is this the actual memo?  Dunno -- I'll check tomorrow, maybe.  But it does bear a striking resemblance to the thing, and the information is accurate.  It's also not a huge deal, and it affects far more State Department personnel than military anyway, so the estimable Mr. Johnson is still wildly overblowing the case.

188 I vote for option #4.

But on a much less important note: using Fox Mulder as a symbol for credulous belief in the nonsensical is a bad choice: in the X-Files universe, Mulder was mostly right, and the skeptic Sculley was mostly wrong. I don't think we want to give the impression, by way of comparison to the credulous-but-correct Fox Mulder, that the truther nutjobs are mostly right...

189 What's a salad bar?

190

Seixon:  where you been buddy?  Is this where you hang out now?  I saw you over at AJ's once or twice, then you diappeared!  Tell me where you are posting these days and I'll be happy to drop by!

As for the rest of you supposedly "experience" fucknuts, the fact that you are looking up Reg's and dissecting it on your computer, to prove it is a fake, is laughable at best!  Some of you fucknuts are claiming actual experience in the Army, Air Force, or Corps!  Are you KIDDING me?

 

I spend almost 40 years of my life, associated with, or actually in, the Corp, the US Government, the IC, US Embassies, etc.

 

It took me exactly 1.2 NANOSECONDS, to glace at the FRAUD in question, and just start laughing my ASS OFF!

 

You all have to be fucking MILKING ME?  Right, to even 1% think this thing has a shred of Validity?

 

I usually say there is nothing in this world that is 100% (except Death); well, I just ran into the second; this �memo� is 100% FAKE; there�s not an Intern�s chance of being in Bill Clinton�s office, without getting a mouthful of goo, that this thing is �real�.

 

I�m just astonished that all you who claim to have been in the Military, could even have a discussion, and try to disprove!

 

Hell, it�s also obvious, that it was 100% constructed on a MS Word document first, and then PDF�d with Adobe Acrobat!

 

ANY TYPE of Official Correspondence, whether any Military Service, or any US Government Office, does NOT use a �picture� of an eagle, for God�s sake, they have their own embossed seal; and one puts the fancy box Frames around the header information, nor that god awful green color, what the HELL is that!

 

This is pathetic!

 

I�m astounded, that any Ass Clowns, like Larry Johnson, his buddy who first posted this, and the so-called Pro-Jihadi Reporter at the WashPo, all who have SUPPOSEDLY seen REAL �Official� Correspondence in their day, could�ve been fooled by this, for even on second!

 

LARRY JOHNSON:  if you are reading!  I haven�t tangled with you since Seixon�s Blog shut down, you unmitigated piece of SHIT!   You lying, traitorous cocksucker, I�m still waiting for you to �look� me up in Atlanta, so I can crush you like the insignificant piece of shit that you are!

 

I DARE YOU!

 

As for the rest of you, get a clue!

 

You enabled those freaking morons, by even pretending this was the possibility of being real!

 

 

"former Republican":  you freaking moron; it's "Julian" calender and "Gregorian" calender, those are your only two choices!

 

"Octavian" calender hasn't been used since Rome was kicking the crap out of the Gauls (French!)

 

 

Chad, IF you emailed AmEmb Baghdad, and they told you that "Memo" was authentic, then someone over there is smoking crack!

 

Etrigan:  (a fan of Jack Kirby comic books are you??) I don't doubt you, you are in Iraq, and I'll trust your comment that stuff like that goes up all the time; but if some assclown in the Green Zone, is putting up Memo's like that, with that so-called "Letterhead"; the US Government has gone to shit, in the past couuple of years, since Ieft, I can say that!

 

Chad, you are correct about ONE thing; a Chow Hall supervisor, or someone like that, throwing up a memo to post, is NOT going to use "Offical" letterhead, and in that case, they are going to up a Memo that has NO "letterhead" or any fancy decoration at all; it's just going to say "MEMORANDUM" at the top, and then launch into it.

 

But, it will ALSO be in the correct format, with correct Offical dating, Subj, To, Ref lines, etc.; all in the correct DOD or US Govt Writing style, not this faked piece of crap, with a damn Chinese figurine thrown in there; what a joke!

191 The US military should have released such a memo long ago, it is sure to encourage the bad guys into targetting supply caravans and supply depots (which of course would be armed and armored in preparation).

192 I'm here in Baghdad, and that text under (I think) a different masthead is up in our DFAC here on FOB Union III. The PDF may or may not be fake, but I read that text today on a piece of paper taped to the paper towel dispensers at the hand washing station. Give me an email address and I'll shoot you a picture of it tomorrow, when I get in from patrol.

193 Hey Dale, just so you know, the U.S. Government doesn't run the chow halls here. KBR does. All our offical memorandums are typed up just as you say, but KBR isn't military.

194

Did dale buy "the wickedpinto of spades commentary in a bottle" lifetime collection?

and Carp, "KBR does" Exactly.

It's NOT official, there might be a truth to the content that is virtually insignificant, but to depict it as an authoritative text authored to explain theatre wide supply is completely different.

It's a distinction with a difference.  Al spiders are insects, not all insects are spiders.  You have to qualify BEFORE! you analyzise, to do it after is Incorect, and a fundamentaly FALSE (not flawed, FALSE) methodology.

195 Man, what you guys offer for brain power couldn't elicit a mouse fart.  Here's the super secret, double probation answer to your "wunderings".  Pat Lang received the message as a word doc.  I asked for permission to post and put it up as a pdf file.  Got it brain surgeons?  Jesus, no wonder George Bush has to rely on half wits like Alberto Gonzales given the bench strength reflected on this blog. 
Try dealing with the facts.  A foreign service officer with the rank of Management Counselor signed off on a memo last Monday notifying Embassy personnel that they would not be getting four hots a day and would have to eat MREs.  Who is in charge of the supply convoys?  The U.S. military, not the Embassy.  Why is there a resupply problem?  Because the resupply line is being attacked and disrupted.  Four plus years into this misadventure and we still don't have enough forces in place to secure the lines of communication.
Try thinking and reason before jumping to wild ass conclusions.  You'll find it surprisingly enlightening.

196 the problem with all this is the eagle logo on top: what was that for? Why the military jargon? Why the extreme, hair-pulling girly reaction by Larry Johnson? None of it really makes any sense, especially from someone who alleges the experience he does.

197 "Dale in Atlanta" and "Larry Johnson" ... together again for the first time ... it's a twofer, I tell ya. It just doesn't get better than this.

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Larry Johnson, was by all indications, 'washed out' of Camp Peary, why else would he be an analyst on the Central American desk, much like Colin Farrell's character in "The Recruit", somehow he ended up in the CTC, until 1996, than spouted off on TWA 800. as a terrorist incident, and then culminated his expertise with that  expert memo, three monthes before 9/11, at the very time that a whole stream of 'chatter' indicated an attack was coming. Shameless as he is, he still links the piece on his site at Berg Associates, where his counter-terror expertise is promoted. 

199 A foreign service officer with the rank of Management Counselor signed off on a memo last Monday notifying Embassy personnel that they would not be getting four hots a day and would have to eat MREs.
Actually, the memo pretty clearly says that they might not be getting four hots a day and might have to eat MREs.

Further, a similar memo has been posted no less than half a dozen times over the last year and a half -- last summer it was up for so long that I had a vague sense of change when it came down and didn't realize it was down for a week -- and they haven't had to uncrate those MREs yet.

200 Jeebus...you wingnuts are hilarious! Take a deep breath and pry those panties from out between your clenched cheeks...sheez! Oh yeah...f*ck each and every one of you "patriots".

201 It looks to me, Larry, like you and Pat are disrupting the lines of communication.
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202 The memo is real you dumbass - why don't you admit you made a mistake

203

The ease with which totally fabricated rightwing "scoops" populate the net (and then take a life of their own, even after they are shown to be bogus) is frightening. So, the Memo was real, but because the message didn't fit into the delusional "everything-is-going-great-in-Iraq" world of the right, the messenger had to be slammed.

It's Orwellian x 100.

Welcome to the new world of disinformation.

Hey, how about an apology to Larry Johnson??

204 Aren't you a giant dumbass.  The Ace of  Dumbass.

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There was actually a give and take, a "discussion" that occured here.

Good luck with that at DU.

206 Time for a name change.  How about "Flopping Brainless Dickheads"?  That appears to be available and, in light of your frantic slobbering about what was in fact a legitimate memo, quite appropriate.  Do you clowns always open doors by banging your heads on them?   Thanks for the laughs.  I've kept all of your posts up at my blog in order that others might enjoy the so-called "intellectual firepower" of you clowns.

207 Why is there a resupply problem? Because the resupply line is being attacked and disrupted.

Where?
When?

Prove that.

I dare you.

208 Fucking too precious.
Wrong about Bush.
Wrong about the war.
Wrong about every fucking thing, include a gottdam memo.
Idiot.

Oh yeah, that should boost your crusade against Plame.

209 Try taking fish oil capsules every day, that will increase your brain power ... to perhaps the ant level instead of the microbe level. Salon is all over your case! Try to engage brain before operating mouth, next time.

210 "The roof is about to cave in!  Ahhhh!  Look!  A roof tile has collapsed right here into the living room!"

"This doesn't really look like a roof tile."

"It is too a roof tile!  The roof is about to cave in!"

"Why does it have a price sticker saying 'On sale only on May 28th' on it?"

"Well, because I just bought it.  Because I have to prove to you that the roof is about to cave in!"

"You know, I live here, and I look at the roof pretty much every day.  It's not about to cave in.  Especially based on the evidence of a roof tile you bought today at Home Depot.  Speaking of which, didn't you do this about two years ago, when you bought a piece of glass, broke it in the driveway and presented the shards as proof that the kid down the street threw a rock through your window?"

"Aha!  You admit that it's a roof tile!  The roof is about to cave in!  I WIN!"

"Oh, whatever."

211 Larry Johnson,

You are a real class act. Yes sir.

I know how WORRIED you must be about the troops and their meals. It just makes me want to cry when I see such DEVOTION to our troops. I am sure you go to bed every night praying for the safe return of our soldiers. I know you worry how they are treated. It is no surprise to me that you would worry if they are getting what they need to eat.

*sarcasm off*

Good grief. Channel your hateful energy into fighting those who would chop off your head if given the chance instead of a conservative blogger and maybe we can win this war.

212 Say "ace", do you have the balls to post an UPDATE that you were completely and utterly WRONG about that memo and Larry Johnson? Can you demonstrate even an iota of integrity?

213 Lots of people up there saying "Larry should have integrity and apologize for the fake".

Now that it's proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that it's not a fake, will "Ace of Spades" have the integrity to do likewise?

Guess not...

214 Dude, are you EVER right?

What a damn clown you are. It's a hoot to read your half-assed bullshit and watch your rightie lamebrains filling the comments with stuff that's even more stupid than what you've posted.

This shithead blog is one of the biggest laughs in the tubes.

215 Ace gets 0wned. What a waste of time all your "investigative" efforts turned out to be. Oh well, get outside and enjoy the fresh summer air and think about trying a new hobby.

216 Ace gives rich new meaning to the term "Wingnut!" 

217

This is what it's like with ALL rightwingers - for whatever reasons (couldn't get laid in highschool, improper potty training, getting beat up in college, inferiority complexes) they've decided to take it out on the rest of the world for their own failings.

They are emotionally stunted people who use fear, intolerance and hate to further their own deluded self___. It's just pathetic. From the bottom of the barrel (Ace et al) to the middle (LGF, Powerline et al) to the top (Krauthammer, Malkin, O'Reilly et al), it's just one stinking keg of bilge water.

They are destroying democracy.

218 aww. but its ok. you can go back to turning burgers or whatever it is your day job is.

219 Yeah, well, I may have been completely wrong again,.....but Michael Moore's fat.

220 Give me a break.  I haven't been able to remove the butt-plug in days and I'm starting to get worried.

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Ace, now you should do the honorable act of taking your replica Hattori Hanso sword and impale yourself.  For the shame placed upon the Pajamas family by your ineptitude can only be washed away by fresh, repentant blood (and no, Iraqi blood will not suffice).

VC

 

222 It turns out Ace is the one caught with his pants down. Wow. Way to go guys - in your ever mystifying need to continue to buck up this failed president and his criminal warmongering, you've completely stooged yourselves with this ridiculous accusation.

223

Care for a Merlot with your crow?

 

You clowns never cease to amaze how pathetic your water carrying has become. 

224

I�m astounded, that I, Dale in Atlanta, could be such an Ass-Clown, so self righteous, ignorant, and could�ve been so wrong, for even on second!  Damn this water is getting heavy

 

I geuss there is some truth that there are consequences for supporting and excusing a dry drunk AWOL male cheerleader as Failure in Chief.

225   This is one of the funniest things I have ever read. Please don't ever stop being incredibly stupid!

226 Once again, the assclowns in Pajamas bumble another episode of "Dear Leaders War is kewl"
Like every other supposed big deal 'scandal' the numbnuts here and elsewhere claim to 'expose', it always backfires in your mugs and you just start whistling hoping no one noticed.

Rather than slobbering like some caged chimp, next time, just take a deep breath and do a little reading. 

It may in fact shock you that Dear Leaders war is a fucking mess from the top down.  But the types of people who post here follow orders stringently so I can't really blame you girls for your little recess style gossip circle.

227

Ace,

Have you apologized to Johnson, Lang, Cole, and any others you falsely accused of being liars, "retarded", "dickheads", and "idiots"?

And yes Ace, we're laughing at you, not with you.

228

Ace, I am certain that you recognize a fraud when you see it.  It's in your mirror each morning.  You give new meaning to being a dumbass.  But, then again, all you right-wing jerks give new meaning to dumbassery every day.  You are the retarded, dickheaded, idiot.

 

229

How's it feel to be pwned, you stupid right-wing twits?  The memo was real!

As Nelson Muntz would no doubt opine:

"Ha, ha!  You got pwned"

More proof that right-wing isn't always right.

 

Stentor,

Proud Liberal,

Proud Democrat,

Former Serviceman,

USMC 1986 - 1992

Veteran Operations Team Spirit 87, Earnest Will, Bright Star 89, Desert Shield, Desert Storm (For those who feel it necessary to impugn my patriotism)

230 Once again - the right wing has gotten it wrong!!!

I guess you are going to apologize?

No...of course not.  You're just going to do what every other right-wing dickhead does (including your beloved Commander-in-Chief) when they're proven wrong.   Stick your fingers in your ears and scream "I can't hear you, I can't hear you, I can't hear you...." over and over again.

Keep up the good work - you guys are going to make November '08 a breeze for us.

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Mr. Gates also laid out at the hearing a Bush administration request for an added $42 billion for war-related expenses in 2008. The request increases to nearly $190 billion the amount the Bush administration is seeking for 2008 to finance military operations in Iraq and Afghanistan. In February, the administration asked for $141.7 billion for the wars, an amount that officials said at the time was an estimate that could increase.

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