Abd Al-Hadi Al-Iraqi: Once A Major In Saddam's Army
I was about to caution that these Arabic names tend to be shared by many, and this is a nom de guerre anyhow, but NBC confirms it -- this high-ranking AQ officer, just a few steps below OBL himself, was formerly a major in Saddam's army.Begging the question the MSM doesn't dare ask: how "formerly," exactly? Thomas Joscelyn wants to know how much, if any, contact he had with his old patron while waging terrorist war for bin Ladin in Afghanistan. Don't we all. Or should I say, "Don't we most." I can imagine quite a few people who are right now beginning to shriek that this man, this poor abused misunderstood idealist, must not be asked a single question more.
I Question The Naming: SobekPundit writes:
As I pointed out before, his last name is al-Iraqi. Yeah, and he's also conveniently from Iraq. Hard to imagine a faker-sounding name than that.Makes a damn good point. It's like Lou Gerhig dying of Lou Gerhig's disease, or of the "Moon Landing" conveniently enough landing on "The Moon." And if you believe either of those, I have a bridge to the 21st century to sell you. So I have to admit: This story sound like complete bullshit. The liberals are right. There's just no way a man from Iraq would return to Iraq to fight for Al Qaeda, and certainly he wouldn't give himself the name "Al Iraqi." "Al" means "from" or "of", and who the hell names themselves a preposition? That would be like me calling myself "Ace To Spades" or somethin'. Bush has conned me again. I apologize for misleading you.
1 I looked for him in my Iraq Most Wanted playing cards, but didn't find him.
Posted by: CAD Daddy at April 27, 2007 03:38 PM (U6x6j)
2 I don't think he was in Iraq at the beginning of the war. He was fighting in Afghanistan, so if he was in Iraq in the beginning of THAT war, he'd've had to have left Afghanistan in a hurry.
Not sure about that. Think he was sent later, once Zarqawi became prominent in blowing up schoolbuses.
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2007 03:43 PM (+u1X0)
3 Get your head out of your ass, Ace. As I pointed out before, his last name is al-Iraqi. Yeah, and he's also conveniently from Iraq. Hard to imagine a faker-sounding name than that.
Maybe "Terrorist McBarackObamaLovesOsama." Sheesh, you'd think the trolls in the White House would be able to come up with something that at least sounds plausible.
Posted by: Sobek at April 27, 2007 03:50 PM (6GK9U)
4 Im sure Zarqawi had no prior contacts with anyone in Iraq before he set up a highly sophisticated and deadly terrorist network in multiple cities and areas that was armed to the teeth with explosives and high tech detonation devices.
Im sure he was able to do that pretty quickly and easily without knowing anyone in a country that was totally like secular and not all jihadi and shit.
Posted by: TMF at April 27, 2007 03:54 PM (+BgNZ)
5 Thank God being a liberal means not having to deal with new information that violates one's world view, otherwise this kind of stuff could cause problems.
Posted by: Drew at April 27, 2007 03:55 PM (gNyUT)
6 Sheesh, you'd think the trolls in the White House would be able to come up with something that at least sounds plausible.
The White House definitely needs to take plausibility lessons from OUR trolls, because, you know, our trolls are rolling in facts.
Posted by: Dr. Remulak at April 27, 2007 03:55 PM (YmPwQ)
7 OT, but the sheep sold as poodles in Japan story the other day was a hoax.
Posted by: CAD Daddy at April 27, 2007 03:57 PM (U6x6j)
8 Has anyone checked on Andrew Sullivan? There's every chance this guy was questioned and the methods may have involved more than harsh looks, loud music and I doubt his lawyers were present.
We all know how that sort of stuff gives St. Andrew the vapors.
Posted by: Drew at April 27, 2007 04:02 PM (gNyUT)
9 Abd Al-Hadi Al-Iraqi is the name he took after converting to Islam which was before he served in Saddam's military.
Abd'sbirth name is Magnus ver Krichtsnicht.
..... wheels within wheels.
Posted by: BumperStickerist at April 27, 2007 04:02 PM (wieXQ)
10 But now we have this worthy cause.
Posted by: CAD Daddy at April 27, 2007 04:02 PM (U6x6j)
11 I had to bust your bubble Sobek but Saddam's full name ends al-tikriti, "From Tikrit," his birth city.
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 27, 2007 04:08 PM (vZggB)
12 i have an even worthier cause: remove my head from my sphincter!
Posted by: col. erg at April 27, 2007 04:09 PM (0140v)
13 Where is Col. Ollie?
Posted by: CAD Daddy at April 27, 2007 04:11 PM (U6x6j)
14 He looks like George Segal...has ANYONE seen George Segal recently?
BUSHCO is setting him up to act this part, gullible Americunts don't know who fucking George Segal is, so they fucking KNOW that they can fucking put one fucking over on fucking everyfuckingone.
It's fucking simple.
Posted by: benrand at April 27, 2007 04:32 PM (sf4Oe)
Actually, Al-Iraqi just means "Iraqi." For instance "arabic" in Arabic is "Al-Arabi" You use the alif+lam (Al) combo to make things definite, and is also used on vague concepts (like poetry, or nationality) instead of just on specific things.
Having a last name which matches your nationality isn't all that uncommon in the Arab world, nor is having one that doesn't match at all. I've seen a fair number of Palestinians named Al-Masri, which means Egyptian. But there are Egyptians named Al-Masri as well.
Posted by: cameo at April 27, 2007 04:35 PM (DbDi4)
<blockquote>As I pointed out before, his last name is al-Iraqi. Yeah, and he's also conveniently from Iraq. Hard to imagine a faker-sounding name than that.</blockquote>
I guess this asshole thinks that al-Zarqawi was his real name.
Posted by: Jason at April 27, 2007 04:35 PM (yIEot)
17 What does Al Roker mean?
Posted by: benrand at April 27, 2007 04:39 PM (sf4Oe)
18 I think sobek was being somewhat sarcastical.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 27, 2007 04:40 PM (QTv8u)
19 Dude, he's our Sobek and he's definitely not an asshole...me thinks it's called sarcasm
Posted by: SOC at April 27, 2007 04:44 PM (1/F/d)
20 How can this guy be Iraqi, he was captured in Afghanistan.
Posted by: benrand at April 27, 2007 04:45 PM (sf4Oe)
21 And you're lucky WP is sober right now or he would have fuckin broke you for that faux pas
Posted by: SOC at April 27, 2007 04:46 PM (1/F/d)
22 The French are not very likeable. And they know it!
Posted by: CAD Daddy at April 27, 2007 04:51 PM (U6x6j)
23 hey, i happen to love the french!
Posted by: col. erg at April 27, 2007 04:55 PM (0140v)
24 me too
Posted by: colonel angus at April 27, 2007 04:57 PM (ATbKm)
25 Wait a second...I'm confused... all this time I was sure that our Sobek was our asshole.
Now he's not? It's all too confusing, so I'll just let it go.
Posted by: krakatoa at April 27, 2007 04:57 PM (rSLn1)
26 So I have to admit: This story sound like complete bullshit.
HE SAID IT!!!! HE ACTUALLY SAID IT!!!! Where's the old col. when we need him?
Posted by: OU_Gryphon at April 27, 2007 05:01 PM (HPU22)
27 Abd Al-Hadi Al-Iraqi is *not* his real name. It is his kunia, which is a kind of nickname in Arabic. Kunias are used by Arab militants and terrorists as a nom de guerre, to conceal their identity, in the event someone they are working with is captured. "Old-school" Al-Qaeda, i.e. ones that participated in the war against the Soviets in Afghanistan, always added their nationality to their kunias, to add a little distinction. (Abd Al-Hadi is about as common an Arabic name as "Steve", so it's like "Steve from Chicago" or "Steve from New York.")
As for the content of the article, please keep in mind that Iraq under Saddam was a conscription state. *Everyone* was in Saddam's army. If you had a degree, you were in Saddam's army as an officer. If you were in Saddam's army in the Eighties, you were in for a long time, because they had a pesky 9-year-long war with Iran going on.
Posted by: Cyfir at April 27, 2007 05:02 PM (i+8aA)
28 THOSE FUCKIN SHIRTS!
Posted by: benrand at April 27, 2007 05:02 PM (sf4Oe)
29 His real name is...
Fred Garvin, Male Prostitute
Posted by: benrand at April 27, 2007 05:06 PM (sf4Oe)
30 hehe benrand... great bit that. Back when SNL was funny.
Posted by: krakatoa at April 27, 2007 05:07 PM (rSLn1)
31 Don't get to hung up on the name thing. His real name is apparently Nashwan Abdulrazaq Abdulbaqi.
So you can see why he went for the nickname.
Posted by: Drew at April 27, 2007 05:09 PM (gNyUT)
32 OU, I know, he said 10:1 this story is bullshit, so I bet him and he ran like a 9 year old girl. Oh, but first he told me to shut the fuck up. Brilliant.
Posted by: Judd at April 27, 2007 05:09 PM (+phE/)
33 OT, but the sheep sold as poodles in Japan story the other day was a hoax
I was starting to worry they were all retarded.
Posted by: Entropy at April 27, 2007 05:27 PM (HgAV0)
34 Steve from Chicago is not a terrorist!
Posted by: Steve from New York at April 27, 2007 05:35 PM (uIzx9)
35 >>Hadi is about as common an Arabic name as "Steve", so it's like "Steve from Chicago" or "Steve from New York.")
steve_in_hb....Abd Al-Hadi Al-Iraqi. Hmm. I never did trust that bastige.
Posted by: JackStraw at April 27, 2007 05:35 PM (t+mja)
36 <i>I think sobek was being somewhat sarcastical</i>
My bad. I saw "lefty blogs" and assumed. My mistake.
Posted by: Jason at April 27, 2007 05:38 PM (yIEot)
37 Becky from Boston you're on the air...Go!
Posted by: Larry from CNN at April 27, 2007 05:41 PM (uIzx9)
38 It looks like maybe I was a little too convincing-sounding for my own good. I'm aware of how Arabic names work.I covered it in chapter 1 of al-Kitaab (Brustad et al.) about seven years ago.
Not that I'm denying my asshole status. In fact, to re-emphasize my asshole bona fides, I'll point out to Ace that "al-" to not mean "to," it means "the" (except in certain circumstances called iDaafa constructs when it is untranslated and signals possession). So Ace al-Spades either means Ace the Spades or The Spades' Ace.
Posted by: Sobek at April 27, 2007 05:42 PM (6GK9U)
39 When I say I covered Arabicnames, I don't mean I wrote that book, I mean my classlearned it.
Posted by: Sobek at April 27, 2007 05:44 PM (6GK9U)
40 Well that sort of invalidates what Steve from New York said about me.
Posted by: Steve the terrorist at April 27, 2007 05:45 PM (uIzx9)
41 That is racial Sobek.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 27, 2007 05:58 PM (QTv8u)
42 I liked it better when I thought you wrote the book, Sobek.
Posted by: a4g at April 27, 2007 06:12 PM (pZBpa)
43 Come on, we all know the guy's real name had to be Finklestein or Goldfarb right? This Arab name thing is just a ruse. We all know the jooos were behind 9/11.
Posted by: Purple Avenger at April 27, 2007 06:16 PM (DvLHg)
44 You can just go ahead and ignore comment #39.
Posted by: Sobek at April 27, 2007 06:16 PM (6GK9U)
45 >>>*Everyone* was in Saddam's army.
Was everyone a major?
That's, uh, not really a conscript rank, you know.
Posted by: ace at April 27, 2007 06:31 PM (+u1X0)
46 Was everyone a major?
Officer and, perforce, Baath party member.
Posted by: Toby928 at April 27, 2007 06:33 PM (ATbKm)
47 As I pointed out before, his last name is al-Iraqi. Yeah, and he's also conveniently from Iraq. Hard to imagine a faker-sounding name than that.
You ain't kiddin', son.
Posted by: El Greco at April 27, 2007 07:06 PM (iOAO3)
48 When I hear people swear that Saddam had no connection to
Al-Qaeda at all (despite the fact that he supported almost every Arab
terrorist group in the Middle East, so of course he wouldn't have
anything to do with the biggest and most sophisticated) it reminds of
people who swear Barry Bonds didn't use steroids. They are
putting forth an opinion contrary to all evidence.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 27, 2007 07:27 PM (enHsG)
I say I don't care if Bonds used steroids.
Posted by: Nom de Blog at April 27, 2007 07:44 PM (bSpfD)
50 Epic Ace. I LOVE it. Moron.
Posted by: JHoward at April 27, 2007 07:55 PM (dkzLg)
51 My only problem with bonds using steroids is how obvious it is. Like Sammy Sosa. IT'S FUCKING OBVIOUS! they were juicing. Now rafael that was kinda a surprise. By the time kids transit from collegiate sports to pro's they have already used steroids, most of them I would say have used steroids in order to establish their bulk BEFORE the testing regimine begins.
I knew guys in highschool who did steroids (actually quite a few) because they wanted a "scholarship" (what a misnomer for college sports subsidies) and guys in continued edu who did steroids cuz they wanted to be pro. If you are smart, you juice until you are 21, and then stop. Really, all you need is that first contract baby.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 27, 2007 07:55 PM (QTv8u)
52 Laugh out loud funny, this line Ace. Must be remembered:
Makes a damn good point. It's like Lou Gerhig dying of Lou Gerhig's disease, or of the "Moon Landing" conveniently enough landing on "The Moon."
Posted by: Alear at April 27, 2007 08:02 PM (6ey2X)
53 Hard to imagine a faker-sounding name than that.
Tell me about it...
Posted by: George Liquor, American at April 27, 2007 08:23 PM (clI2H)
54 Wickedpinto, oh, come on, how obvious was it really? Just because one season he had a neck like the Chocolate Hulk and the next season he had a neck like freaking Urkel....
Posted by: richard mcenroe at April 28, 2007 01:17 AM (VRjm9)
55 Actually I was thinking of his jaw. (if you are talking about sammy sosa)
In the case of bonds, it was his neck, he was a skinny ish kid for a while, (20 steals and 20 home runs? for 3 seasons?) then he became a guy with no neck, and no shoulders, he just had a head and a chest. The progression for bary was OBVIOUS. And Sammy as a "kid ( a 23 year old kid BTW)" and sammy now? He's a fucking mutant now, forhead, jaw, ears, neck and shoulders, and don't get me started on the hips, it will make me sound gay, but ask a gay guy who thinks barry and sammy are hot.
note: you won't find a guy guy who finds barry or sammy hot cuz they got bitch hips.
Posted by: Wickedpinto at April 28, 2007 03:21 AM (QTv8u)
56 This story is bullshit. Iraq and al-Qaeda have NOTHING to do with each other.
"Google it, people™".
Posted by: Barry in CO at April 28, 2007 06:51 AM (kKjaJ)
57 It doesn't "beg the question." It "raises the question." I freakin' wish people would get this right...
Posted by: Doc Washboard at April 28, 2007 06:57 AM (yNAVW)
58 I didn't mean to start an off-topic discussion last night, but let me
add this too: look how much muscle Bonds packed on at the age of
38 or 39. It's hard to believe any of that is natural. I'm in my
early 30s, and I have a hell of a time just staying close to the kind of shape I was in in my 20s.
Posted by: UGAdawg at April 28, 2007 09:49 AM (enHsG)
59 The question that begs to be asked, is "if we didn't land on the moon, what planet did we land on"?
Posted by: Dave the Texas at April 28, 2007 10:17 AM (pzen5)
60 I've seen a fair number of Palestinians named Al-Masri, which means Egyptian. But there are Egyptians named Al-Masri as well.
Yeah, kinda funny that. Almost like there wasn't a Palestinian state until one was created ex nihilo so the evil joooos would have someone to displace in 1948. You'd almost think the palestinian state is an abstraction used toinflame Israel's enemies. Weird, huh.
Posted by: OU_Gryphon at April 28, 2007 04:57 PM (HPU22)
61 hey, i happen to love the french!
ja eine welche Übereinstimmung, die ist. Ich auch.
Posted by: General Guderian at April 28, 2007 10:20 PM (VRjm9)
62 This is his "jihad" name. Just finished reading The Looming Tower, and it explains how these guys adopt their names - his real name is in the linked article.
However, I am going to have to go with the "not so much" line on this story's explanatory power forconnectivity between Saddam and AQ. He left Iraq in the mid 80's to go fightagainst the Soviets. This is not a particularly damning activity - Rep. Dana Rohrabacher (R, CA 46) did the same thing, but didn't stay over.
After the Soviets left, the Afghan Civil War started, and lots of players end up switching sides and banding together etc. We have another guy like this one - Abu Hajer al-Iraqi (not related, just their jihad name includes their home country) in custody.
The strongest link still remains Ansaral-Islam - where Zarqawi went after he left Afghanistan. The Left still relies on the following defenses:
1. Ansar al-Islam was in Kurdish controlled northern Iraq! (without noting that they were busy fighting Kurds)
2. Zarqawi was a competitor to bin Laden! (oh, please - Zawahiri had his fingers/money in there, and there is no closer link to UBL than Zawahiri)
3. No proof that Saddam was involved with Ansar al-Islam! (neglecting, of course, former Prime Minister Allawi's revelation thatrecords from Iraqi intelligence showed their support and involvement there - but, hey, Allawi once took money from the CIA, and anyone with any connection to the CIA is always lying unless they are criticizing the Bush administration.)
4. We knew Zarqawi was in Ansar al-Islam and could have just taken him out with cruise missiles without having to start the Iraq war, but we didn't so we could go to war! (neglecting, of course, the proven inefficacy of the cruise missile as an instrument of assassination and that the timing was during particularly delicate negotiation over UN inspectors)
But, hey, being a moonbat means never having to say you're using logic.
Posted by: blaster at April 29, 2007 11:16 AM (lfFUo)
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